1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:05,399 Speaker 1: Trump's former national security advisor, John Bolton, has been indicted. 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: It's overclassified documents. It's all over classified documents these days. 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: What do we make of it? It's Kenlly Casey, show 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: him Rob Case's out today. Ethan Hatcher from Saturday Night 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: on the Circle in for Casey. Before we get to 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: this programming note coming up at ten o'clock, bo Bi 7 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: Democrat candidate for Secretary of State, will be with us 8 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: and a lot of people are interested with what he 9 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: has to say. So that's coming up at ten o'clock. 10 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 2: All right. 11 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: So John Bolton, he was a national security guru the 12 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: Trump the Bush administration, and then for some reason Trump 13 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: brought him on even though he appears to be in 14 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: direct his philosophy philosophically in direct contrast, I mean, he 15 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: seems to want to bomb everyone. 16 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, kill them all. Turned the entire continent into glassy 17 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 3: as the John Bolton foreign policy philosophy, Which is very 18 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 3: odd that Trump picked him, because Trump has kind of 19 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 3: prided himself on being the peace president and keeping us 20 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 3: out of wars and military onflicks. 21 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: But he made the choice and then so Bolten, it 22 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: didn't go well, which I think everybody saw that coming 23 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: his time with Trump, and then he became a fierce 24 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 1: critic of the Trump administration after he was let go 25 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: quit whatever you want to call it. And now he 26 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: finds himself under indictment over bringing classified documents into his 27 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: home and then sharing them with people VI electronic messaging. 28 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,839 Speaker 3: If the reports are true, then he deserves this indictment 29 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 3: because his handling of classified information was even domer than 30 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton. Remember she had her private server. He didn't 31 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 3: keep this stuff on a private server. He put it 32 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 3: on Google. He put it on his private email and 33 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 3: then sent this to family members. So you want to 34 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 3: talk about misappropriation and mishandling a very sensitive information that 35 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 3: was later hacked by Iran. This is an investigation that 36 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 3: does I understand it goes back to twenty twenty two 37 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 3: in the Biden demonstration. So you can't even say, oh, 38 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 3: it's Donald Trump exacting political revenge on his opponents. No, known, 39 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 3: this goes back years now. 40 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, So CNN has a big deep dive on this, 41 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: and you're right, Ethan. One of the big things is 42 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: he alerted I think it was the FBI that his 43 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: email in twenty twenty two was hacked and it was 44 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,839 Speaker 1: an Iranian believed to be an Iranian actor that got 45 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: in there and got the information. And Craig Collins played 46 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: this on the show this morning. Craig was in for 47 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: Tony that Bolton is a complete hypocrite because he was 48 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: all over the news shows when Trump was under investigation 49 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: and then later indictment over hand handing classified documents, saying 50 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: throw the book at it. They're all hypocrites, rob But 51 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: Joe Biden was keeping classified documents next to his corvette 52 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 1: in the garage. So eighteen counts of the indictment here 53 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: is MSNBC as the indictment came down in real time. 54 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, so John Bolton was charged with eighteen federal count 55 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 2: and I apologize, I'm going to look down. I'm reading this. 56 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: We're still just getting this. We have the first eight 57 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: counts our transmission of national defence information. The second set 58 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: of nine counts that counts nine through eighteen is retention 59 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 2: of national defense information. And that looks like it's US 60 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 2: Code Title nineteen, Section seven ninety three d and E, 61 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: which is part of the Espionage Act. Now, there was 62 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 2: another statute that they were considering, and it looks like 63 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 2: they've only charged him with those Espionage Act statutes. 64 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 3: But we're still. 65 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: Reading through this indictment. It's twenty six pages long. There's 66 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: a lot of background information here, and I apologize, but 67 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 2: we're literally just getting this in right now. 68 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: Okay, And I think the big thing, and again, you know, 69 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: we'll see what comes of this, is that via electronic messaging, 70 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: he was transmitting these documents to people in his family. 71 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean it gets even stupid or 72 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 3: because this comes from a lot of private notes that 73 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 3: he was taking and writing down by hand in a notepad, 74 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 3: which is already, you know, not an ideal way to 75 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 3: handle sensitive information, but at least it can't be reproduced. 76 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 3: You upload those handwritten notes to a digital device, which 77 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 3: is exactly what was going on. John. You've defeated the 78 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 3: purpose of a handwritten note. John, Yeah, I mean, it's 79 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 3: one thing to say. 80 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: And actually his defense seems to center on the fact 81 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: of well leaders, government leaders for years have kept handwritten there. 82 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 3: There we go. 83 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: It is one thing to have the documents on your person. Look, 84 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: I think I think we maybe get a little stringent 85 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: on this, like people are moving countless files, et cetera, 86 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: especially president's vice president. Is their malicious intent, you know, 87 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: I think that's part of it. But it's one thing 88 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: to have it on your person. Hey, I brought this 89 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: box of stuff home with me, you know, made a 90 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:42,239 Speaker 1: mistake whatever. But then to be as you said, taking 91 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: these correspondents and then uploading them to the Internet where 92 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,799 Speaker 1: anybody can and apparently did get into them, that's another story, 93 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: not just. 94 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 3: The Internet, but specifically Google and as anybody who has 95 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 3: an ounce of knowledge about the technology industry. Google checks 96 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 3: everything that is uploaded to your Google Drive. AI is 97 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 3: constantly scanning and attempting to moderate potentially illicit or illegal, 98 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 3: highly you know, sensitive materials that are moving through their servers. 99 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 3: Google knows anything that you're putting on to a Google Drive, 100 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 3: Google can access. So Trump Trump got asked about Bolton, 101 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 3: and in classic Trump fashion, he had something to say, 102 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 3: just indicted by. 103 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: A Branduria and Maryland. 104 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 3: Do you have a reaction to that. 105 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 4: I didn't know that you told me for the first time. 106 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 2: But I think he's, you know, a bad person. I 107 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 2: think he's. 108 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 4: A bad guy. 109 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a bad guy, too bad. 110 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 4: But that's the way it goes That's the way it goes, right, 111 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 4: that's the way it goes. Well, I would have you 112 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 4: reviewed the case against him. 113 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: No, I haven't. 114 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 4: I haven't, but I just think he's a bad person. 115 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: Anybody else I love that me have no idea this 116 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: was going on. Yeah, sure, buddy, but I think he's 117 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: a horrible person. I can believe that Trump hasn't reviewed 118 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: the case. No, I don't think he's reviewed the case. 119 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: But I think he knew exactly what was going for sure. Sure, right. 120 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: And I torn on this because on one end, it 121 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: really does start to seem like when you rapid time, 122 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: you have Letitia James, Homie Bolton, James Coby, former FBI 123 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: Director of Latita James, Attorney General New York, and now Bolton, 124 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: fierce vocal, high profile critics, all being indicted within what 125 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: a couple weeks of each other. This does sort of 126 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: seem like using your office to get at your enemies. 127 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: But then I stop and go, well, they totally did 128 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: it to him first, But does that excuse I don't 129 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: know if that excuses you doing it back to them. 130 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: I have concerns as an American citizen about all of this, 131 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: As we said repeatedly when they were doing it to Trump, 132 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: that this seems very wrong. It also sort of seems 133 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 1: wrong that Trump is doing it back. But you in 134 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: federal prison, you know you might be a little pissed 135 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: off too. 136 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 3: They backed the wrong horse. They were happy to dance 137 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 3: on Donald Trump's grave when they thought it was going 138 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 3: to be another four years of Biden or Kamala Harris. 139 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 3: And then now you know, the winds of. 140 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: Fate have changed, all right, speaking of Trump, So I 141 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 1: thought there was there. You know, there's this big cease 142 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: fire in the Hamas Israel conflict, working towards a peace agreement. 143 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: Everybody's very excited what we say. We said, well, wait 144 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: a second, now, let's just hold everything. This is a 145 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: nice day that these hostages are coming home. But how 146 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: many times have we heard peace in our time? And 147 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: then very quickly everything just disintegrates again. 148 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 3: I can't believe that a couple pages of a peace 149 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 3: treaty didn't solve thousands of years of ethnic and religious hatred. Rob, 150 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 3: I'm really shocked by that. 151 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: Apparently Hamas is still doing bad things, and Donald Trump 152 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: wanted to send a message to them. So I'd like 153 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: to do a dramatic reading of the the I don't 154 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: know if this this tweet or truth or wherever it 155 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: was he put this on social media. I'd like to 156 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: do a dramatic reading. If that's all right, Oh, absolutely, 157 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: here we go. 158 00:07:55,120 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 4: If Hamas continues to kill people in Gaza, not the deal, 159 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 4: we will have no choice. 160 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: But to go in and kill them. 161 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 4: Thank you for your attention to this matter. 162 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: So the Hamasa is under control, it seems to not 163 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: be going so well. 164 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 3: Do these people not realize that they're on a territory 165 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 3: like a third of the size of the city of 166 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 3: Indianapolis limits it would be very easy for the United 167 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 3: States to completely obliterate them. 168 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: It's just fascinating to me though, that, like we totally 169 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: called it. We're like, these people may do things in 170 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 1: the moment to benefit them for self survival, but this 171 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: is not Scrooge waking up after being visited by three ghosts. 172 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: They're not gonna change. They never change. They don't want peace, 173 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: they don't care about you know, like we said Saudi Arabia, 174 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: you can deal with them because they want money, they 175 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: like stuff, they like prestige, they like power. These people 176 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: they're just out to do damage. 177 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 3: I've already seen that they're harassing their own citizens who 178 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 3: helped Israel in some way. Or who are attempting to 179 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 3: leave the borders of Gaza like these people are monstrous, 180 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 3: murderous savages yep.