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Speaker 1: All right, nine o'clock on a Tuesday on some people

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Speaker 1: a little bit of the atmosphere last night inside of

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Speaker 1: Gamebridge Field House to talk more about the Pacers and

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Speaker 1: the Cavs last night. He is the head coach of

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Speaker 1: the Indiana Pacers and he's with us right now. Rick Carlisle, coach,

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you. How are you.

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Speaker 2: Good? Sounded like you guys were slow jamming the news

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Speaker 3: That music, little slow jam action?

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Speaker 1: Can you get behind that?

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Speaker 2: Sure? Why not look at that?

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Speaker 3: That's all right? Mark Dyke didn't jot that down.

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Speaker 1: We might need that for a Rick Carlisle reentry here

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Speaker 1: coming up later in the season.

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Speaker 2: Coach.

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Speaker 1: Defensively, you guys have been very good over the last

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Speaker 1: week and a half two weeks or so, but last

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Speaker 1: night a lot of second chance points early in the game.

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Speaker 1: Did you see that as the biggest difference for Cleveland?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we didn't do a good enough job hitting

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Speaker 2: and that was that was a bad start.

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Speaker 3: Rick.

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Speaker 4: When you look at these games and you're able to

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Speaker 4: kind of climb back into it, I guess what's the

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Speaker 4: message when you see the version of yourselves that obviously

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Speaker 4: is that something that you revisit after the game, like, hey,

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Speaker 4: this is that we have to play the entire four quarters?

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Speaker 3: Or you know, how in your face with it?

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Speaker 2: Are you? Well? Are you you're talking about how we're

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because it is, you know, I don't want to

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Speaker 4: say it's an excuse, but at the same time, there's

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Speaker 4: some legitimate reasons maybe why you aren't playing your your

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Speaker 4: typical brand of basketball.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we had to adjust a lot, and I think

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Speaker 2: that's obvious. And so look, we progress in the last

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Speaker 2: seven games. So before last night, in the previous six games,

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Speaker 2: were number one in the league in defense. So that's

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Speaker 2: that's progress and that's something to be proud of. But

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Speaker 2: as we know, it's you know, it's it's not a

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Speaker 2: destination I mean, this all requires continued work, continued focus,

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Speaker 2: and so, yeah, we had slippage last night. Pretty obviously.

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Speaker 2: Cleveland came in here on a three game losing streak.

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Speaker 2: Give them credit. They were very determined and you know,

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Speaker 2: Mitchell got going and we didn't have very many answers.

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Speaker 4: I know you mentioned your defense really planned at a

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Speaker 4: high level. Of course, some slippage last night, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 4: But on top of that, looking at Jay Huff and

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Speaker 4: what he's really done for your team over the last

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Speaker 4: week or so, how have you seen him find a

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Speaker 4: he was leading the league in blocks per game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's uh, he's made great progress, and he's a

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Speaker 2: he's a terrific kid. You know, he came into a

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Speaker 2: situation that was quite different than Memphis. There's been certainly

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Speaker 2: an adjustment period for him. You know, a lot of

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Speaker 2: things with our team has changed this year. But as

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Speaker 2: over the last seven games, he's been He's certainly been

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Speaker 1: Pacers Nuggets coming up tomorrow night inside a Gamebridge Field House.

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Speaker 1: Rick Carlile with us here on the Payless Slickers Hotline.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned that number one defense, you know there for

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Speaker 1: we've seen some lineup tweaks, but what hasn't been on

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Speaker 2: Probably just simply the fact that we've been physical. We've

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Speaker 1: I need to go back to over the weekend, Codach. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Chicago and you see Pascal Siakam hit that game winner.

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Speaker 1: He guys been on the wrong side of several of

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Speaker 1: If you could from your perspective, like, what did you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he he you know all the things you just mentioned.

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Speaker 2: Certainly he had a good feel for the clocks. We

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Speaker 2: It was not an easy shot, and I was right

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Speaker 2: Dirk dewhiskey. You know, I saw many game winners during

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Speaker 2: You can, you can go up to try to block

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was saying watching that game, we got to

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Speaker 3: But Rick, you touched on a little bit there.

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Speaker 4: I think Benedg has some of this as well, that

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Speaker 2: Well, this is you know, this is the definition of

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Speaker 2: He's had great wisdom. He he you know, he picks

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Speaker 1: Then Rick Carlisle with here on the Payless Slickers Hotline

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Speaker 1: as the Pacers will get back to work coming up

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Speaker 1: tomorrow night. It will be Patris and Nuggets inside of

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Speaker 1: Their basketball team will play inside of your building coming

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Speaker 4: So last one I have for you, Rick, And actually

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Speaker 3: We always do like, Okay, whose era is better?

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Speaker 1: Now I think of scoring. You guys put up what

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Speaker 2: and so right now, you know, with us, our identity

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Speaker 1: Again, they got Denver coming up tomorrow night reminder, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's a good reminder on a day like today.

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Speaker 1: You got the Lloyd Pier Samuel Coatee Drive coming up,

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Speaker 1: uh three thirty five thirty today over at the Goodwill

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Speaker 1: make it out to that, certainly do coach. As always,

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