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Speaker 1: The NFL Owners meetings are underway, and one of the

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Speaker 1: topics of discussion within the owners meeting is that of

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Speaker 1: the expansion of schedule from seventeen to now eighteen games.

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Speaker 1: Joining us on the guest line to talk about that,

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Speaker 1: he is from CBS four and WX in Mike Chappell,

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Speaker 1: joining us. Chap I'll begin right away with that in

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Speaker 1: terms of the owner's meeting, And I know that we

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Speaker 1: talked a little about this last week, but from you

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Speaker 1: having your finger kind of on the pulse of this,

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Speaker 1: aside from the schedule stuff, which I want to get into,

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Speaker 1: what are kind of the big topics of discussion for

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Speaker 1: the NFL owners in this particular session.

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Speaker 2: Oh, good question. I'm sure behind closed closed doors are

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Speaker 2: looking at again revenue issues, which which certainly includes an

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Speaker 2: eighteenth game. Media writes. I think the broadcasting packages coming

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Speaker 2: up soon whatever soon is so, and they've got some

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Speaker 2: rules things and some some rules proposals to go over.

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Speaker 2: But it's it's always revenue. I mean, it's you know,

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Speaker 2: I follow the money. That's why I read this stuff

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Speaker 2: that Carl here say Gordon mentioned about she's heavily in

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Speaker 2: favor of any team game season and I'm telling you

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Speaker 2: it's going to happen. It's they They've all, They've told

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Speaker 2: us it's going to happen. The only question is when

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Speaker 2: and what were the concessions to the players have to

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Speaker 2: be so that they will be on board for it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and and I want to begin with this.

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Speaker 1: Where do And I'm gonna this is going to sound

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Speaker 1: like I'm the old guy yelling at clouds.

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Speaker 3: I'm asking this.

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Speaker 1: Like journalistically, not necessarily because it has some sort of

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Speaker 1: emotional thing to me, right, But but where do we

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Speaker 1: draw the line? You know, It's kind of like the

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Speaker 1: Big ten, and the Big ten had eleven and then

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Speaker 1: they had that really cool logo with the sub eleven

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Speaker 1: in the middle of it when they added Penn State,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, well, that's cool. Then they get then

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Speaker 1: it's like wow, okay, twelve, and then before you know it,

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Speaker 1: now it's the big thirty. Right, I mean, I mean

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Speaker 1: I'm being facetious, right, But if we go to eighteen,

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Speaker 1: then when do we eventually say, you know what, twenty

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Speaker 1: is a good round number, Let's go to twenty.

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Speaker 3: I mean, where does it end?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. That's a good point always, you know,

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Speaker 2: seventeen is just a funky number because everything's out of balance.

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Speaker 2: Eight home games, nine row games and and all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: And I'm so youngry it means that the Colts can't

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Speaker 1: go five hundred chap.

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Speaker 3: That's the important thing, right, I.

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Speaker 2: Know, I understand it so but I'm always used to

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Speaker 2: ten and six and six and ten and all that,

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Speaker 2: and it just MUCKs it up. But they've been floating

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Speaker 2: this eighteen game thing since they went to seventeen games

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Speaker 2: they just did, and when they've been and it's funny

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Speaker 2: because Goodell say, well, you know, we'll see where this goes.

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Speaker 2: It's it's not something we've openly discussed with the players

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Speaker 2: yet and all this and then you get mixed reviews

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Speaker 2: from the players, the former executive director de Morris Smith

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Speaker 2: sort of standing in favor of it. The new leadership

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Speaker 2: doesn't sound quite so much. But it'll all come down

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Speaker 2: to what compensation with the players get. And I'm telling

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Speaker 2: you there's gonna be a not a handful. There's going

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Speaker 2: to be a segment of the of the players who

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Speaker 2: won't want an eighteenth game, probably the veterans, you know who,

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Speaker 2: the eight ten year guys who understand what it's all

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Speaker 2: about and understand the rigors and what it costs on

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Speaker 2: the body because they've got they've made their money in

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Speaker 2: large part. I tell you're talking to a first or

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Speaker 2: second year or third year player, and if I'm one

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Speaker 2: of those guys, the next day another eighteen games, you

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Speaker 2: know we're going to bump your pay whatever the percentage is.

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Speaker 2: These kids are for the most part, they think they're

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Speaker 2: in vulnerable and they'll worry about every the aches and

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Speaker 2: pain and surgeries when they're fifty. You know, I was

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Speaker 2: twenty three one time, and I didn't care what would

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be really interesting. But again to get there,

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Speaker 2: to get to a team, the players are going to

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Speaker 2: the profits probably and it will also be h I think.

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Speaker 2: I think they will drastically change the off season to

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Speaker 2: the things that we're used to. The the off season

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Speaker 2: program ramping up and probably probably training camp opens sooner.

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Speaker 2: So it's it's kind of you know, right now they're

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Speaker 2: playing twenty games anyway, they are it's just three of

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Speaker 2: I wonder how much the coaches will have to say

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Speaker 2: advancement in the schedule eighteen games is going to mean

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Speaker 2: less time. I would think, less time with the players

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Speaker 2: in the offseason, which your coaches are not going to

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Speaker 2: be in favor of, but they don't count chap.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing that jumps out at me about this.

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Speaker 1: If there are always concessions, So if you are if

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Speaker 1: the owners are going to win out, they're going to

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Speaker 1: say you're going to play eighteen games, then that means

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Speaker 1: that you know, there's concession that is done, and sometimes

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Speaker 1: maybe it's not even what we totally hear upfront, as

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Speaker 1: you just talked about with the players Association and et cetera.

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Speaker 1: So if you are going to take and require for

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Speaker 1: them more game time and then as a result you

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Speaker 1: are conceding fewer practices or commitments and et cetera, then

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Speaker 1: theoretically it would be a fair assumption to think that

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Speaker 1: we're going to see even more injuries, not just because

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Speaker 1: you have more opportunity by game to get injured, but

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Speaker 1: because you have less physical conditioning, perhaps to prepare your

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Speaker 1: body for the collision sport of the NFL. If that

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Speaker 1: is the case, and we continue to see key players

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Speaker 1: missing at key times and et cetera, is it possible

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Speaker 1: that the owners are actually compromising their brand without even

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Speaker 1: realizing it, because people are going to become increasingly turned off.

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Speaker 2: I don't know they'll be turned off, but again, but

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Speaker 2: the injury thing is is definitely an issue. It has

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Speaker 2: to be. I remember back in the day when I

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Speaker 2: was in camp with Rick von Turry and and camp

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Speaker 2: started a lot earlier, and players didn't work out in

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Speaker 2: the offseason that much. Some of them. You know, you

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Speaker 2: keep in shape, but you just didn't. And then you

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Speaker 2: get to camp in the first week, two week, three

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Speaker 2: is to camp, and you're getting these guys in shape. Well,

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Speaker 2: now they for the most part, they show up in

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Speaker 2: shape again. You've got your off season program starts in

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Speaker 2: mid April, it ramps up, ramps up, and you got OTA's,

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Speaker 2: you get the Veteran Mini Camp, and they're done in

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Speaker 2: mid June. Then they got a month off, but they

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Speaker 2: still work out during that month off. No question, it's

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Speaker 2: going to require players to be more disciplined on their own,

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Speaker 2: but that's still not the same. It's just not the

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Speaker 2: same as having players in the building four hours a

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Speaker 2: working with your training staff because it's working in the

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Speaker 2: gym or at the local high school isn't the same

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Speaker 2: as what you do on the field in a structured setting.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, every week you cut off of the off season,

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Speaker 2: even when you add more time in training camp, I

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Speaker 2: just think it does increase the risk of possible injury.

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Speaker 2: But I think they've been somewhat okay with that. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the teams look at their players, they do they don't

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Speaker 2: treat them as cattle that much. They don't because this

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Speaker 2: is their product. But the fact that they play on Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: this show your Thursday Friday, I mean, it just tells

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Speaker 2: you that, yeah, we're concerned about player recovery and they

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Speaker 2: need X number of days and all this and Thursday

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Speaker 2: products are always bad because players have little turnaround time.

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Speaker 2: That that's that that's an acknowledgment to keep the league has.

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Speaker 2: But having more games on on more venues, on more

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Speaker 2: streaming at you know, facilities. It just shows you what

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Speaker 2: the bottom line is and there are there are players

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Speaker 2: to replace players, unless like you mentioned, it's it's the

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Speaker 2: top five eight players on your team and you and

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Speaker 2: you lose three of them, like we saw last year

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Speaker 2: with Daniel Jones. Every team has injury. It's who's injured.

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Speaker 2: Is it your pass treasure, is it your left tackle,

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Speaker 2: is it your quarterback Patrick Mahomes. Things change, they'll take

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Speaker 2: all that into account. I think they've done a better

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Speaker 2: job of concussions. Back in the day they told you to,

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Speaker 2: you know, take some mammonia salts and get back in

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Speaker 2: the game. But there's still that inherent risk, and we

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Speaker 2: see it seems like a rise in Achilles injuries. I

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Speaker 2: don't know why that is. These guys are in great

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Speaker 2: shape they are now. Whether they're just putting too much

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Speaker 2: strain on what the human body can handle, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Injuries will always be taken into account, but so will

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Speaker 2: the revenue that extra games, playing on extra days, on

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Speaker 2: what that will generate.

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Speaker 1: Mike Chapel is my guest CBS four and WXI in

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Speaker 1: Fox fifty nine, where you can see and read his

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Speaker 1: work covering the Colts. He is of course, the dean

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Speaker 1: of Colts Writers Chap Carli ters Gordon, and some of

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Speaker 1: the availability that she has had here in talking with

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Speaker 1: people around the owner's meetings, has talked about how the

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Speaker 1: Colts have to financially be smart, especially right now. When

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Speaker 1: I saw that, my first thought was, use, here we

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Speaker 1: go again, because I recall when Bill Polliam was here,

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Speaker 1: he had made that comment a few times, and I'm like, look,

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Speaker 1: every team in the league has the same salary cap

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Speaker 1: and the same revenue share, so theoretically the books are

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Speaker 1: the same for everybody. But I realized what she actually

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Speaker 1: because we're not in New York. What she met was

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Speaker 1: simply the way that the contracts are staggered. They couldn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily frontload a lot of people right now because of

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Speaker 1: other contracts later that will be coming up.

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Speaker 3: Am I understanding that correctly?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think so. She also mentioned that they've changed

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Speaker 2: somewhat and how they're doing things that they put voidable

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Speaker 2: years in Jones and I think Pierce as well, which

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Speaker 2: is a salary cap maneuver that allows you to spread

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Speaker 2: signing bonuses and guaranteed money out over years that you know,

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Speaker 2: the guy won't be here or they'll restructure you know. Again,

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Speaker 2: Jones got a forty four million dollar signing bonus over

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Speaker 2: two years. That's twenty two million dollars your account this year,

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Speaker 2: next year. Well they put like three votable years, so

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Speaker 2: he spared over five years. It's just a mechanism that

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Speaker 2: he's getting the same money, but they're doing it differently.

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Speaker 2: Chris Batler generally hadn't done that. He wants to live

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Speaker 2: in the moment, and he's done that for the most part.

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Speaker 2: But to really go forward, you need to be created,

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Speaker 2: as she's the work creative think in mind, I'm not

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Speaker 2: out there. That's past what I do now at this

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Speaker 2: stage of my career. And this is the most invaluable

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Speaker 2: time for Joel Ericson on James Boyd and Stephen Holder.

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Speaker 2: You get you get face to face time with these guys,

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Speaker 2: and they really did a great background information. But it

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Speaker 2: just shows you there's a change in the way of

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Speaker 2: doing things. Again. They've got the cash. They just gave

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Speaker 2: Daniel Jones a forty four million dollars signing bonus and

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Speaker 2: pierces was like, what was a thirty or forty million

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Speaker 2: to have that. But there are ways that you always

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Speaker 2: hear cash over cap. It's just how you give your

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Speaker 2: players money, but you defer how it's worked against the cap.

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Speaker 2: Some teams they really don't pay a lot of attention.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't sound right, Uh, but it could. I want

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Speaker 2: Go, there you go. Uh. But that and Laernega was

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Speaker 2: enjoys it. What's it got to be every four or

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Speaker 3: Chap, appreciate the time as always.

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Speaker 1: We'll catch up with you once we get a little

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Speaker 3: Appreciate it as always.

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Speaker 2: Stay in contact, guys.

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Speaker 1: Me well, Hi, Mike Chappell joining us. We've talked a

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Speaker 1: we know that storyline of the reigning Indiana Mister Basketball

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Speaker 3: Yes, you all know Dusty May head coach Michigan.

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Speaker 1: And then for Illinois, a guy that was coached by

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Speaker 1: on the program, coach, congratulations on your win over the

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Jake. I appreciate you guys having

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Speaker 1: You know, I I want to begin with and there

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Speaker 1: But let's begin with this and just in coaching high

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Speaker 1: When you look at teams that you've had that have

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Speaker 4: I think it's at the end. I think you have

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Speaker 1: And with that coach, you know the thing I like

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Speaker 4: talking about AUS and AU and the dangers of it.

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Speaker 4: But that's where I kind of made the decision that

434
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 4: if you want something to change and you want to

435
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 4: make something better, instead of sitting around and complaining about it,

436
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 4: get involved. And so I got involved with it, and

437
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 4: I'm so glad I did because the kids I've met

438
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 4: just coaching AAU, you know, Tray Jackson, Davison Brooks and

439
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 4: then had a team with Jade and Ivy and Dre Davis,

440
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 4: Nigel Pack, John L. Davis and Caleb Furst and some

441
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 4: other guys like that was so much fun. And those guys,

442
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 4: you know, you still talk to today. So I was glad

443
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 4: I got involved. But my goal was always to make

444
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 4: those guys better going back to their high school. And

445
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 4: you know, I think you went through a period of

446
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 4: that and as I've watched the last couple of years,

447
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 4: Like AAU is big, but it's not what it was

448
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 4: probably five years ago, and so I think we were

449
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 4: going into the danger.

450
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Speaker 3: Why is that? Do you think?

451
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Speaker 1: Is that because there's more specified like like shoe related

452
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: camps and events that take place that have drawn away

453
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 1: from AAU. Why would there be you know, a decline

454
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Speaker 1: or dep in AAU.

455
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's more so the attendance. Like

456
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 4: I was at peach Sham this past year, and like

457
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 4: I remember being there five years ago where it was

458
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 4: like you couldn't get in the door or there up

459
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 4: above you it was like line back of people trying

460
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 4: to stare over the balcony to just watch players. I mean,

461
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 4: there wasn't those crowds this year. And you know, I

462
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 4: think there's so much going on. I think the college coaches,

463
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 4: you know, most of them are recruiting older kids now

464
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 4: with the transfer portal the way it is, like, you know,

465
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 4: teams are older than what they used to be, and

466
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 4: so the high school kids taking a hit on a

467
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 4: lot of these things. And so I don't think as

468
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 4: much emphasis is put on AU as it once was

469
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 4: before all this started to happen. I mean AAU is

470
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 4: still important, but I don't think the emphasis is on

471
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Speaker 4: it like it was before.

472
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Speaker 1: Did do you find that if you look at coach

473
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Speaker 1: like the AAU. Okay, so in AAU, I know, for example,

474
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 1: you know you're playing in a tournament, you get at

475
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: least at least of my era.

476
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 3: I assume this is still the same.

477
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 1: You're playing and your team gets beat in you know,

478
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: the regional finals of an AU tournament or whatever. You

479
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 1: can be absorbed by a team that beats you or

480
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: another team. Can you kind of become a free agent

481
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 1: if you will? And then all of a sudden, now

482
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: you're playing for so many different You're heading to Jones

483
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 1: Burro with that group or whatever else. Has that mentality

484
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: then lended itself now into what we see at the

485
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: college level with the portal where players become accustomed to well,

486
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: if I didn't win, I'll just switch to a better

487
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 1: environment for me.

488
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you see that. I mean, that's kind

489
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 4: of one of the soapbox I stand on with with

490
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 4: our youth. I mean, one of one of the coolest

491
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 4: things is is Trey Lewles and I started a youth

492
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 4: program this last fall to do that with one of

493
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 4: your former players is awesome, you know, and so that

494
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 4: fun for me. But that's one of the soapboxes I

495
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 4: stand on with these kids, Like you know, you see them,

496
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 4: they lose in in a tournament. Now they're going to

497
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 4: go put on a new uniform and play with someone else.

498
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 4: What happens and all that is you lose the value

499
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 4: of losing, Like you know, like for us a year ago,

500
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 4: we lost in the sectional on Friday night. We didn't

501
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 4: get to the sectional championship. And it was a team

502
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 4: that we thought we were number one to close out

503
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 4: the poll, thought we were going to win it all,

504
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 4: and we fell short. We had to sit with that

505
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 4: for three hundred and sixty five days, Like we had

506
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 4: to come in early morning six am and our workouts.

507
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 4: We had to sit with that. We had to go

508
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 4: through a regular season and sit with that until we

509
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 4: got the opportunity to begin. And I think at AAU

510
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 4: sometimes especially youth like they played for five different teams,

511
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 4: you lose the value of losing and you don't really

512
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 4: understand like how bad it hurts and how like you

513
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 4: have to work to get an opportunity again to win.

514
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: Which it goes into Jason Delaney is my guest. He

515
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: is the state champion basketball coach at Cathedral. That goes

516
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: into coach one of the things I've been talking about

517
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: today where I have so much respect for and I

518
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: don't know your relationship with them. I mean, I assume

519
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 1: you have one with Matt with Matt Painter, right, But yep,

520
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: I have so much respect for the Purdue program because

521
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: I know that it's easy. The easy narrative would be

522
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: to sit here and come on the air and say, oh,

523
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: they fell short, they choked that, you know whatever else.

524
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: But in a world where everything that we're talking about

525
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: has been comes so ubiquitous within college basketball, Purdue has

526
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: just stayed true to that principle of you know what,

527
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: dust yourself off and try to come back and take

528
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: it one step further the next year. And to me,

529
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: that speaks volumes what has been your observation of that program, I.

530
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 4: Mean Purdue, I mean Coach Painter is as class act

531
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 4: as it comes. You know, Like he talks about culture,

532
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 4: how you're going to fit us, We're not going to

533
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 4: fit you, And that's kind of like the same thing

534
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 4: we've had here, Like we've lost some really good players

535
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 4: to lead Cathedral, but that's just the way it goes

536
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 4: because we're going to do things a certain way, but

537
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 4: Coach Painter does it the right way. And sometimes you

538
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 4: fall short doing it the right way sometimes, but it

539
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 4: doesn't mean that you stop doing it that way.

540
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: You know.

541
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 4: Coach is is another one that is fantastic person and

542
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 4: fantastic coach who's going to.

543
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 2: Do it his way.

544
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 4: And you have so much respect for those guys, and

545
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 4: it's easy, you know, to point the finger and say, hey,

546
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 4: they should have done this, or should have done whatever,

547
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 4: but they're doing it the right way. You look at

548
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 4: those guys staying. You know, Braydon Smith's gonna win and

549
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 4: made tons of money somewhere else, but there's a reason

550
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 4: he stayed to Purdue, and that says a lot about

551
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 4: the culture that they have up there in West Lafayette.

552
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: Cathedral does have an alum in the final four in

553
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: Jake Davis at Illinois, who's been a really important part

554
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: of brat Underwood's group. Brad Underwood another coach that I

555
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: really like his approach. I don't know him, but I

556
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: really like the way Illinois plays in kind of the

557
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: tenacity by which he gets after things.

558
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 3: But your thoughts on Jake Davis now coming back home.

559
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 4: Oh man, I love it. I mean a couple of

560
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 4: quick Jake Davis.

561
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:36,479
Speaker 2: The stories.

562
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 4: He came in as a freshman, you know, and we

563
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 4: had some injuries that year, and we're playing in the

564
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 4: final four of the city. He doesn't even get in

565
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 4: that game. But we're playing in the championship on that

566
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 4: Monday night and we have some foul troubles. He comes in,

567
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,719
Speaker 4: takes three charges and hit four threes and he's starting

568
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 4: the rest of the year. I mean, And Jake Davis

569
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 4: is a guy that we use in his example all

570
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 4: the time about faith, even when you can't see it

571
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 4: and it becomes frustrating, you just got to continue to

572
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 4: have it. He didn't get his first Division one offer

573
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 4: until August of his senior year, and I remember calling

574
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 4: his mom and telling her it was coming, and she

575
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 4: was getting ready to get on a flight to Germany

576
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 4: for her work, and she just started crying. She was

577
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 4: so happy and like to see him fulfill this. And

578
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 4: he's the same kid that after the season, like you know,

579
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 4: seniors usually don't come back to workouts in the mornings

580
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 4: and stuff, but he was at everyone because his legacy

581
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 4: of leadership of what he wanted to be a leader

582
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 4: for these young guys to carry it on. But to

583
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 4: see him get this opportunity is amazing. Texting him back

584
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 4: with him, you know, we're congratulating each other on Saturday night.

585
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 4: And the ironic thing is his parents were so good

586
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 4: to me that when we won the state championship in

587
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two, his dad asked if he could have

588
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 4: Jake's jersey, you know, to frame it and give it

589
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 4: to him as a graduation president. And in return, he

590
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 4: donated brand new blue uniforms for us since he was

591
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 4: taking one, and those are the blue uniforms that we won.

592
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 4: On one Saturday night and so him and I, his

593
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 4: dad and I were texting back and forth, you know,

594
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 4: like kind of laughing and how it came full circle.

595
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 4: Jake Davis was still part of the state championship, but

596
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 4: also on that night he's going to the Final four,

597
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 4: which is amazing to see him come back here.

598
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: Started at Mercer, ended up in Illinois and now in

599
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: the final four.

600
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 3: Will you go to the games?

601
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 4: You know what, I watch our guys on TV. I

602
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 4: usually don't go to the games. I just kind of

603
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 4: sit in the background. I mean, I might try to go.

604
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 4: I don't know, but you know, I'll be watching it

605
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 4: one way or another.

606
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: You mentioned some of the coaches that you have coached,

607
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: Jason Delaney as my guest. You mentioned Jaden Ivy. Is

608
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: he one that you're still in contact with.

609
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: We were a.

610
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 4: Couple of years ago. Uh, you know, those guys get busy.

611
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 4: I was up, you know, getting going in to get

612
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 4: some food. My son and I had to get some

613
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 4: food and he was in a restaurant with his wife

614
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 4: and Fisher's and he comes running.

615
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: Out and give him me a hug.

616
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 4: Like to me, that's that's the cool stuff. It's not

617
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 4: so much of the basketball stuff. It's about hanging out

618
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 4: with those guys. And you know, I sent him a text,

619
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 4: you know, about a month ago or so when when

620
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 4: he was struggling there. And you know, I think the

621
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 4: world of Jade and Ivy. I think the world of

622
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 4: his mom too, because she just allowed him to be

623
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 4: coached and he was such a great young man.

624
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

625
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: And the reason I ask it, coach, I don't know

626
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: if you've seen I mean, and I don't I don't know, right,

627
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: I don't know the young man Jade and Ivy wonderful

628
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: player for sure, but it looks like he has had

629
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: some struggles. I think that happens to a lot of

630
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: coach players when they're hurt. But you know, the last

631
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: week or so, it looks like he may still be struggling.

632
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: That's the only reason I asked that, certainly wish the

633
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: best for Jade and Ivy. Would you concur that or

634
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: have you heard any of that sort of a concern

635
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: I guess about Jade and Ivy.

636
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 4: I think there's such that mindset when you get hurt,

637
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 4: you know, and it's an injury that kind of changes

638
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 4: your body. You know, you go through you go through

639
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 4: those things, and you know, we just continue to pray

640
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 4: for him and wish the best for him.

641
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: Lastly, let me ask you this, coach, you know you've

642
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: had great players, whether it be in the summer circuit

643
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: or you know, as you mentioned Trey Lyles for example,

644
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: that you've coached at the high school level as well.

645
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: And I always ask this of coaches that are dealing

646
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: with young people. From your observations, your experience, what would

647
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: you say to parents right now that are maybe they've

648
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: got a young athlete, whether it's a promising young athlete

649
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: or just an athlete that wants to make their way

650
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: on the team and is working hard, whatever it might be.

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Speaker 1: What things would you say to a parent that they

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Speaker 1: would be surprised to know that deep down from a

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Speaker 1: coaching standpoint is the thing that you need from parents

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Speaker 1: to allow you to let their young people succeed.

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Speaker 4: Well, you kids be coached. I mean, they're going to

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Speaker 4: face adversity. You know, you can't run from it because

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Speaker 4: adversity is going to find you in life, it never

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Speaker 4: stops finding you. And in the competition, like I tell

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Speaker 4: our guys all the time, like you're going to compete

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Speaker 4: for the rest of your life. You're going to compete

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Speaker 4: for a girl, like you're not going to be the

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Speaker 4: only guy that wants to date that girl. You know,

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Speaker 4: you're going to compete for jobs, You're going to compete

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Speaker 4: for everything for the rest of your life. So if

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Speaker 4: you run from it all the time, like, you're never

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Speaker 4: going to be able to be successful. So I think

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Speaker 4: that I think you know listening to the right people.

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Speaker 4: There's so many people out there that you know, they

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Speaker 4: try to be so loud that you know that it

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Speaker 4: acts like they know everything. Like you've got to trust

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Speaker 4: the people who have been through it before, and you

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Speaker 4: got to just allow yourself to be a parent. You

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Speaker 4: got to enjoy that time because it goes by so quick.

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Speaker 4: And I honestly think like that's the kids that have

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Speaker 4: gone through here, Like Xavier Booker's dad's texting me today.

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Speaker 4: Like I said, Jake Davis, you know all these parents,

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Speaker 4: Keeton Aldridge dad sent me a message really nice when

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Speaker 4: last night, like those all these people who have been

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Speaker 4: successful here at Tech or Waldren Aware wherever I've been,

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Speaker 4: Like they just allowed him to be coached. You know,

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Speaker 4: they supported they they you know, supported what we did.

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Speaker 4: They believed in what we did, and their kids have

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Speaker 4: benefited from the Like we had the most guys playing

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Speaker 4: college basketball this year of any other high school in

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Speaker 4: the state of Indiana. Like we had the guys start

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Speaker 4: for UCLA, start for Nevada and Tayshawn starting for Neveda.

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Speaker 4: For Steve Alford, he comes back on Saturday night to

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Speaker 4: the state championship. I mean, how awesome is that? You

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Speaker 4: know in Jake and you know all these guys Vincent

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Speaker 4: Brady on High Point, Like all these guys have been

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Speaker 4: successful because they allowed themselves to be coached and their

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Speaker 4: parents allowed us to coach them.

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Speaker 1: Well, coach, I've always said in congratulations again on your

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Speaker 1: continued success, and you have earned that on your own.

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Speaker 1: But I've always said this as well, and you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to bring it up because it was one

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Speaker 1: of the first things that I ever noticed in your coaching.

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Speaker 1: I love, more than life itself, the story of the

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Speaker 1: fact that when you took over the Waldron program, you

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Speaker 1: knew that Ralph Lux, who was a former Special Edge

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Speaker 1: student that had been the manager for decades upon decades,

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Speaker 1: and you knew, well, you know what, I guess if

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Speaker 1: I'm taking this job, one of the things I need

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Speaker 1: to understand is that that ain't changed and Ralph Leux

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Speaker 1: is going to stay the manager. And I saw what

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Speaker 1: it meant to him to be a state champion. And

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Speaker 1: we lost Ralph a couple of years ago, but I've

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Speaker 1: always felt like Ralph continues to deliver you good karma

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Speaker 1: as well as the players you're coaching.

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Speaker 2: Oh he does.

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Speaker 4: He would give me his little plays. He'd give me

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Speaker 4: a couple of plays every game on a little piece

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Speaker 4: of paper, and like I think those games, those a

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Speaker 4: little players have won a lot of games over the time.

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Speaker 1: Coach, I appreciate it. Enjoy the Final Four and watching

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Speaker 1: your former player playing in it.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much. I appreciate you having me and

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Speaker 4: continuing success to you as well.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Jason Delaney had basketball coach at Cathedral