1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: Casey. Yeah, Rob, they decided to settle it like men, yes, 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: on the public airwaves. That's right. This is going to 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: be fantastic. So this is going to be a really 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: interesting Segment's Kenney Casey Show and Rob, that's Casey. You 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: know we are we love our friends at the Indie Star. 6 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: And we've had both James Briggs and Jacob Stewart the 7 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: columnists on our program, and we took note last week 8 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: that they had sort of dueling columns about the data center, 9 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: the Google Data Center in Franklin Township proposed Google Data 10 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: Center in Franklin Township. And I said, it's very interesting 11 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: that two guys, or both friends of this program have 12 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: very different views on the same project and they work 13 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: for the same company. 14 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, opposing opinion pieces. And as we started off the 15 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 2: show this morning, we were talking about how the Franklin 16 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 2: Township community schools came out in support of the data center. 17 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 2: And I think it's going to be fascinating to see 18 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 2: what these guys have to say and what that adds 19 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: to the conversation. 20 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: All right, so let's bring him in. First of all, 21 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: you know him under the stars. Jacob Stewart, columnist Indie Star, Hello, 22 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: thanks for having me on. And you know him also 23 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: pain in the backside to politicians everywhere. James Briggs, Hello. 24 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 3: Hello, are we doing free speech here today or Drake 25 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 3: listening in? 26 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: All right? So Jacob, let's start with you, because you 27 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: have come out with a lot of concerns about the 28 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: data center. You don't think it's a good idea for Indianapolis, 29 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: for the people of Franklin Township. 30 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 4: Why Well, the biggest reason why is because it will 31 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 4: be used to increase the electricity rates of homeowners all 32 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 4: around the as Service territory. If AES builds any new 33 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 4: power plant, they can pass on the cost of that 34 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 4: power plant to consumers during construction. And that's regardless of 35 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 4: whether or not the data center ends up painting out, 36 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 4: regardless of whether or not the power plant ends up 37 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 4: panning out. So that's my number one concern. There's a 38 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 4: bunch of other issues about water usage and environmental concerns, 39 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 4: but that's my biggest one by far. And then, of 40 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 4: course the pretty massive tax abatements that they're getting, so 41 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 4: they're not paying their fair shar. 42 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: Okay, so hold on hold on to that for a second. 43 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: But before I bring James in, I want to touch 44 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: on that because the major supporters of a lot of 45 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: these data centers across the state are these power companies, 46 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: because somebody got to put the electricity to the thing, right, 47 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: in this case, it's AES, correct. 48 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, So they're large load customers, so they take significant 49 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 4: amounts of electricity. They're projected to more than double our 50 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 4: electricity demand as a state. So that's a huge boon 51 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 4: for AES, especially when you have a monopoly over their 52 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 4: service territory like we have in Indiana. No one can 53 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 4: sell power directly to consumers without going through a utility monopoly, 54 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 4: and so they like data centers. They probably would prefer 55 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 4: to go through like an independent power company or something 56 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 4: like that, or make their own power, but it's it's 57 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 4: not really feasible to do so, all. 58 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: Right, James Briggs, You're usually a reasonable, well thought out 59 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: human being, But in this case, you say, these data center, 60 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: the data center, the good, especially the one of Franklin Township, 61 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: is going to be good for the city of Indianapolis. 62 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 3: Why, Yeah, Well, a couple of things here. One, these 63 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 3: data centers are coming regardless of what Indianapolis decides. So 64 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 3: it's not like the utility impact just stops at the 65 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 3: county line. Like if Google just builds it somewhere else, 66 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 3: then there's still a regional utility impact. 67 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: And so what you're saying is if you're you're going 68 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: to pay for it as long as Google gets it somewhere. 69 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: If you're an AES person, you're going to pay for it. 70 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And it's I mean, not one hundred percent 71 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 3: clear how that shakes out. And I think there's a 72 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 3: lot of uncertainty even what you know, even if they 73 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 3: build this in Franklin Township, I think there's some degree 74 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 3: of uncertainty what that actually means for rate payers. You know, 75 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 3: I think it's reasonable to be concerned about that, But 76 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 3: I think it's also reasonable to say, look, data centers 77 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 3: are going to be built, a lot of them are 78 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 3: going to be built. They're gonna be built all over Indiana, 79 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 3: and some of them are going to affect AES customers 80 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 3: regardless of what Indianapolis decides. So you might as well, 81 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 3: in my view, just take the benefits, take whatever benefits 82 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 3: you can get out of it. 83 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: If you're just joining us. This fascinating conversation Jacob Stewart 84 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: and James Burry's columnists of Indie Star. They're settling their 85 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: disagreements and their columns like men here in the public airwaves. 86 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: We're talking about the data center, the proposed data center 87 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: in Franklin Township, Google's data center, and two very different 88 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: opinions on this. All right, So let's go back to 89 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: what you said, Jacob, which is the abatements. And this 90 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: is where I have heard the most amount of pushback 91 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: from people, which is, why do they get all these incentives? 92 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: And after we give them the incentives, what do they 93 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: actually contribute? You've written about this, what have you found? 94 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 5: Right? 95 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 4: So, these abatements, they all started in twenty nineteen with 96 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 4: the state giving a tax abatement on around fifty years 97 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 4: worth of electricity and equipment that these data centers are 98 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 4: eligible for. That's what's made the state so attractive for 99 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 4: these data centers. 100 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: This is on the top of the like property tax 101 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: abate right, correct. 102 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 4: So in addition to that, they can also get these 103 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,119 Speaker 4: property tax abatements, which is, you know, it's pretty common 104 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 4: for developments to get to these. You know, I tend 105 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 4: to disagree with the developments in general getting these, but 106 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 4: in this particular case, it seems even more or egregious 107 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 4: because of the impact on the people in the community 108 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 4: and because of this impact on right pairs. And and 109 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 4: to James point, there is another one planned in Monrovia, 110 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 4: which is also in the AES service territory. 111 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, we had that guy on our show, one of 112 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: those guys on our show. They're not happy about that, right, right. 113 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 4: So that's the only one, only other one currently planned 114 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 4: in the AEES service territory. So if either one succeeds, 115 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 4: more than likely it'll impact the AES rate pairs. 116 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: Okay, that's an interesting fort. James Briggs, So you talked 117 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: about and I think you I hate to say this 118 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: out loud, but I think you make a decent point. Hey, 119 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: if they're going to get it somewhere, they might as 120 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: well get it in your place to get the benefit. 121 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: But what is the financial benefit? Have you've been able 122 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: to figure out what that is? I think because a 123 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: lot of people feel they don't see with all the incentives, credits, whatever, 124 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: an actual benefit to the communities. 125 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 3: Well, the Franklin Township School statement that you alluded to 126 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 3: a moment ago, I think that's one sign of benefit. 127 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 3: I mean, look at the tax space around that school, district. 128 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 3: I think it's like eighty six percent residential, So they 129 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 3: need money, and it's you know, residential property taxes. Obviously 130 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 3: it goes a long way toward funding schools, but certainly 131 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 3: commercial property taxes can help that as well. And whatever 132 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 3: the tax benefit is from the data centers, it's not 133 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 3: zero even with all of these outrageous incentives. That's one 134 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 3: I Aerad Jacob and I agree that the incentives are 135 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 3: just ridiculous at both the state and local level. But 136 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 3: nonetheless there still would be a substantial property tax benefit 137 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 3: for schools and for the city itself. And right now, 138 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 3: what's there If you look at that site, it's like 139 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 3: a lot of soybeans Like that, there's not a lot 140 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 3: of like tax benefits. 141 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: What you gotta getbeans? Man fields are fine. Yeah, soybeans 142 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: are fine. 143 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 3: They're probably also you know, I don't know that specific site, 144 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 3: but probably also being subsidized by the government too in 145 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 3: their own way. 146 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 2: So, you know, James, I'm curious because when the Franklin 147 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 2: Township Community School Corporation came out, they said that they 148 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 2: like the commitment from Google because it's going to help 149 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 2: address inequalities, and they're blaming the state's property tax reform 150 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 2: bill on the financial stress from the school system. But 151 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 2: isn't the tax of Bayman just going to contribute to that? 152 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 3: Well, I think I think Google has committed very specifically 153 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 3: to the school district a certain amount of money. So 154 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 3: I think the school district is especially happy with this 155 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 3: arrangement because I think Google there's a there's a minimum 156 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 3: commitment there. So I think the school district knows that 157 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 3: it's going to receive a pretty substantial benefit. I don't know. 158 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 3: I don't know what they mean by resolving inequities there, 159 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 3: but I think they're going to benefit certainly from it. 160 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 4: I wish they'd tell us about how much they're going 161 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 4: to benefit. 162 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 5: Well, that's the point, right, it's we're always the last 163 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 5: to know. 164 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: If you're just joining us. James Briggs, columnist for the 165 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: Indie Star, Jacob Stewart, columnist Indie Star, having a we're 166 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: having a fascinating conversation about this proposed Google data center 167 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: in Franklin Township. Whether you live in Franklin Township or not, 168 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: this is a conversation for you, because, as these guys 169 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: have alluded to, even or don't get approved there, they're 170 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: coming somewhere, So maybe I need to cheer for it 171 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: to go there, because it'll end up in Brownsburg at 172 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: some point. All right, So for both of you guys, 173 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: let's lay out what a better process would look like like. 174 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: What should if we're going to have these data centers, 175 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: or maybe JB say, under no circumstances we have the 176 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: data centers. What should the process look like? Should we 177 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: say no more batements? You know, what would it look 178 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: like for you to say, hey, this becomes an acceptable thing. 179 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 4: Well, I'm a firm believer that the unit of government 180 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 4: that sets the policy should bear the cost of it. 181 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 4: And the federal government has been very clear that data 182 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 4: centers are a national security asset and they've said they're 183 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 4: a priority and building up the grade as a priority. 184 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 4: So I think that the federal government should bear the 185 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 4: cost of them. Building up the electricity grid making sure 186 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 4: it doesn't pass on to consumers. 187 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: So that could look. 188 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 4: Like a variety of different things, maybe putting a specific 189 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 4: tax on large load customers and using that taxes to 190 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 4: build up the grid in some sort of subsidized way 191 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 4: to avoid that passing on to consumers. Basically, any way 192 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 4: to get it out of the foothold of these utility monopolies, 193 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 4: because ultimately they are the ones that are making it 194 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 4: bad for the residents. 195 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I think that makes sense. I also struggle 196 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 3: with the incentives at the state and local level. I mean, 197 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 3: I think that's not the only reason that tech companies 198 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 3: want would want to put data centers around here. One 199 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 3: of them is Indiana's cheap land. I mean, that's probably 200 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 3: why the Franklin Township site is so appealing. It's it's 201 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 3: farmland right now, and there's an owner of that site 202 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,719 Speaker 3: that wants to sell it. And you know, if it 203 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 3: doesn't turn into a data center, it's going to turn 204 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 3: into something else down the road. So I don't think 205 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 3: you necessarily need that level of incentives. These things need 206 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 3: to get built, they need to go somewhere. I think 207 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 3: Jacob's right. I think there should be some some federal 208 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 3: involvement in helping to support these things, because they are 209 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 3: important to national security and also just to the growth 210 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 3: of tech, which we need to take some ownership of 211 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 3: in the United States and not seed it to other nations. 212 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 3: But Indiana has other reasons to sort of lure these 213 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 3: things here, cheap land being you know, chief and among 214 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 3: them perhaps, So I don't think we don't necessarily need 215 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 3: to fight with every other state over these data centers. 216 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: All right, the big question before I let you guys go, 217 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 1: and you no blows have been thrown. Everyone is still 218 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 1: in one piece. Jacob will start with you, will this 219 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 1: and bribery such a strong word, or legalized bribery such 220 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: a strong word? With the incentives that have been kicked 221 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: around to the Franklin Township schools? Do you still believe 222 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: this will go down next week when voted on by 223 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: the Indianapolis City County Council. 224 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 4: I think as long as Michael Paul Hart stays committed 225 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 4: to opposing it, it probably will still, you know, get 226 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 4: shot down, because most of the counselors who have opposed 227 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 4: it have cited his opposition as the primary reason for 228 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 4: their opposition, even ones it may not even be apposted 229 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 4: data centers in general, but it's it's supposedly the long 230 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 4: held tradition to just defer to the counselor in the 231 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 4: district who is being impacted by the rezoning bricks. 232 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 6: So I think in the past, think it shurts, you know, 233 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 6: in the past, I think Jacob would have a good point. 234 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 3: There. There's been a lot of historic deference to counselors 235 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 3: in the district that they serve. If you know, if 236 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 3: something's going in one district and the councilors like it, 237 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 3: they just kill it. But if you'll remember, way way 238 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 3: way back to the whole India eleven Stadium MLS thing 239 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 3: last year, when the council screwed over Indy eleven and 240 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 3: ursall the counselor who represented the district where the Indie 241 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 3: eleven stadium was going to go oppose that, and this 242 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 3: council said, whatever, we're doing it anyway. So I think 243 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 3: that that precedent has sort of been set. There's like 244 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 3: there's not as much difference as there used to be. 245 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 3: And whenever you see a school district come out and say, hey, 246 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 3: this would be good for us, I do think that 247 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 3: provides an excuse for anyone who might be looking to 248 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 3: walk back their previous opposition to this project to change 249 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 3: their minds and have sort of a public face saving 250 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 3: reason to do so. 251 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: All right, James Briggs and Jacob Stewart of The Indie Star, 252 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: thank you. 253 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 2: You're listening to Kendall and Casey. It is ninety three WIBC. 254 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: Okay, so, who do you think won the Great Indie 255 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: Star Debate We just aired here on this award winning program. 256 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: Ah, you know who didn't win the tax beairs. 257 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: Well, it's Kennel case Show and Rob that's Casey. If 258 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: you just missed it, we had a fascinating segment. James 259 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: Briggs and Jacob Stewart are the columnists at Indie Star. 260 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: They have very different views on data centers, the proposed 261 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: Google mega center in Franklin Township, which is all everybody's 262 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: talking about right now in central Indiana, and they went 263 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: back and forth with us, sort of facilitating the conversation. 264 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: And I think you're right, Casey. I think the biggest 265 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: issue is a complete lack of a clear picture on 266 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: how these data centers benefit society in the long term. 267 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 2: I thought that Jacob brought up a really good strong 268 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 2: point in the fact that this actually goes to the 269 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 2: level of national security and federal dollars, which are still 270 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 2: our dollars need to be in play here. 271 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: But also, let's not act like that you're not You're 272 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: not talking about facilitating soup kitchens. You're talking Google in 273 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: this case, one of the largest money they make you know, 274 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: somebody told me, I have no idea if this zaccurate 275 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: or not, but somebody said they make something like thirty 276 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: four million dollars an hour or some crazy number like that. 277 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: Oh wow, I mean, whatever the number is, Google makes 278 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: an insane amount of money. What is the market cap 279 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: of Google? Luckily the Internet is right at my fingertips. 280 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: I'm going to use Google to look it up. Market 281 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: cap Google. Let's see what it tells me. Come on here, Well, 282 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: it should just tell me what the number is. Of 283 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: course it didn't tell me exactly what I wanted, but anyway, 284 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: I'll look it up here. Give me just a second, 285 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: I'll find the market cap for Google. It's got to 286 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: be the hundred the hundreds of billions of dollars, right, yeah. 287 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: But my point at all of this is why are 288 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: we facilitating that with our money? Why are we paying 289 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: anything for these mega corporations to come and make a 290 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: bunch of money without a clear indication on what they're 291 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 1: actually doing for us? 292 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 2: And just last month, Indiana was labeled as being under 293 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 2: a crisis of affordability in regard to utility rates. This 294 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 2: by the Citizens' Action Coalition. When you think about your 295 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,719 Speaker 2: energy costs. The prices, they're shaped by a lot of 296 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 2: different things. You've got the chain of fuel suppliers. You've 297 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 2: got the generators, the grid operators, the regulators, investors. 298 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: It all adds up to different costs. I want to 299 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: guess what Google's market cap is is according to Google, 300 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: by the way, so if it's wrong, it's their own 301 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: three point zero three to two trillion. Wow, is the 302 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: Google market cap. 303 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 2: That's but yet they need abatements. 304 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: Unbelievable. That's absolutely unbelieve. It's the fourth most valuable company 305 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: by market cap in the world, and we're led to 306 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: believe that they can't function a data center without mass 307 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: giveaways from poor and middle class people. By the way, 308 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: the market cap in what is It's okay, ten years 309 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: ago September of twenty fifteen, the market cap was four 310 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: point two eight sixty six billion, so that means not 311 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: like nine times basically eight times eight times it is 312 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: in a decade, in the past decade. So I think 313 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: that was the real takeaway, and I think Briggs, who 314 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: tends to lean in favor of these things, agreed, you 315 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: can't just be giving this stuff away to these people. 316 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: That's what I think has people so enraged. One is 317 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: the fear of what it's going to do with the utilities, 318 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: and two the fact that we keep giving our money 319 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: away without any sort of clear explanation from the governor, 320 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: the Economic Development Corporation, even these local governments. How this 321 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: thing pays off in the long run. 322 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 2: I thought that James Briggs did bring up a good point. 323 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 2: If it's not Franklin's, Franklin Township is going to go somewhere. 324 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: Well, which is why people need to take an interest 325 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: in this. They are, as we said, least favorite part 326 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: of every show, where we've got to tell people how 327 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: right we are. They're horror movie characters. They're Jason Vories. 328 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: You have to think of these Google type companies as 329 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: a Jason Vorhees type character in which you can't kill it. 330 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: You can bury it underground, you can light it on fire, 331 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: you can chop it in half, you can put it 332 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: at sea. Whatever. There's going to be another episode. And 333 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: so if the Google Center, i mean, we see they're 334 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: doing one in Monrovia. If this one fails here, they'll 335 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: find some other Central Indiana community. They're never going to 336 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: stop because they can always outlast the populace and they'll 337 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: find some community that doesn't have the political strength or 338 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: will to fight them. 339 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 2: But as you mentioned, it is going to affect utility 340 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 2: costs for everybody. And as a whole, Indiana saw an 341 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 2: average of a seventeen point five percent increase in utility 342 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 2: bills just last year. 343 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: Okay, I want to come back to the utilities in 344 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: just a second, because our old pal, Jeff Thompson, the 345 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: head of Ways and Means, you remember him. He's mister, 346 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: mister property tax bill architect man. He said, I mean, 347 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: he made one of the dumbest quotes I've ever seen 348 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: in print in the India, in an Indiana Capitol chronicle 349 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: in an article that came out today. But first, before 350 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: we do that, you were telling me something about what 351 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: the leading pizza chain in America is. This blew my mind. 352 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: I couldn't even believe this. 353 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,479 Speaker 2: Well, I saw this article and I thought of you 354 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 2: because you and I had a debate once about buying 355 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 2: pizza at a gas station. And the title of the 356 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 2: article is how Casey's became one of America's largest pizza chains. 357 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 2: So convenience stores are typically regional. They have a strong 358 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 2: regional following, like the East Coast favors sheets and wah wah, 359 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 2: although wah wah is, you know, making it step further 360 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 2: into the Midwest. On the West coast, they really favor 361 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 2: seven to eleven. But here in the Midwest it's a 362 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: mix of stores. But Casey's General Stores is rising to 363 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 2: the third largest chain in the US. And of course 364 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 2: they sell a lot of pizza. They make their pizza 365 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 2: fresh daily, and apparently it's very popular for its quality 366 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 2: and affordability. 367 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: Is that because you can just get a couple slices 368 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: of pizza and leave, so you not forced to buy 369 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: a entire holds pizza. Yeah. 370 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 2: Possibly also because it's made fresh daily and it's affordable. 371 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 1: That I could not believe when you told me how 372 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: popular Casey's pizza, And now that I think they think 373 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: it through though, the idea that you can buy I 374 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: don't know even know how their pricing works, but a 375 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: couple pieces at a time, eat what you want, and 376 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: then go. 377 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 2: Since September of twenty twenty, their stock has increased by 378 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 2: over one hundred and ninety percent, and they're doing this 379 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 2: by buying up smaller stores. They're acquiring their competitors, and 380 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 2: they're continuing to expand into Alabama and also Florida, and 381 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 2: they're increasing their presence in Texas. And it's just, you know, 382 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 2: the competition is just becoming more intense and that is 383 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 2: how Casey's General Store has become one of the biggest 384 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 2: pizza suppliers. 385 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: That's crazy, all right. I take a break. When we 386 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: come back, I have to read you this quote from 387 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: Jeff Thompson, the head of Ways and Means, which means 388 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: he controls the money in the state of Indiana. You 389 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: want to know why our finances are in the position 390 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: we're in. You want to know why they can't balance 391 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: a budget without raising taxes. You want to know why 392 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: the tax increases never stop in this state. I will 393 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: give it all to you in one quote. When we 394 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 1: come back. 395 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 2: It's Kenlen Casey on ninety three WIBC. 396 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: Okay, look, I'm not a life coach. I'm not a 397 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,479 Speaker 1: I'm not an expert on senior citizen aging and how 398 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: to deal with that. But I'm just going to issue 399 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: a just a observation, okay, And people can do with 400 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: this whatever they want. Okay. It's Kennelly Casey Show and 401 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: Rob That's Casey. If anyone loves Governor demensia patient, stop 402 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: letting him do interviews. Oh boy, stop letting Grandpa do interviews, 403 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: because every time he opens his mouth, he says something 404 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: more ridiculous and unintentionally reveals what's actually going on, which 405 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: that's the big thing. But this guy can't do it. 406 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: I mean, it's great for our show. I guess I 407 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: should say, if you want us to have endless amounts 408 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: of content, then by all means, let Grandpa keep gibber 409 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: jabbering on on public radio airwaves. But if you love 410 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: him or want to protect what's left of his dignity, 411 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: stop letting this guy talk. Okay, this is this is 412 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: like I cannot This should be the lead story in 413 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: the state of Indiana right now. So, Governor de Benchi 414 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: patient rawn, whatever we're calling him today now, the reason 415 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: we call him governor dementia patient is because he consistently 416 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: says things that are at odds with the facts. And 417 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: we know a knowing Mike Brunn, as a man a 418 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: bit men's integrity, would never just knowingly or willfully lie 419 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: to the populace over and over and over and over again. 420 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: So the only logical reason help, Yeah, he doesn't know 421 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: he's suffering from some serious cognitive decline which causes him 422 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: to make statements that are inconsistent with the facts, over 423 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: and over and over and over again. So Governor Deminsia 424 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: Patient went on, why are you laughing? It's not funny. 425 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: The governor is clearly suffering from serious cognitive decline. Casey, 426 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: it's not funny. Right, this is very serious. I know, 427 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: I know. Okay. So Governor Dementsia Patient went on, whoa 428 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: wo that's the big talk station in Fort Wayne, and 429 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: he basically let the count out of the bag that 430 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: he wants to do redistricting in November. 431 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, he suggested a special legislative session in November to 432 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 2: redraw Indiana his congressional maps. 433 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: Okay, so pause. So what he did by doing that 434 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: is saying November is he let you know they already 435 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 1: know what the map is going to be. They're just 436 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: trying to get to yes on it. And he also 437 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: lets you know that they have handpicked who they want 438 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: to run. So when I tell you that if you're 439 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: for this, you're for a rig map, that is going 440 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: to give you two more Jefferson Shreeves and Jennifer Ruth 441 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 1: Green type people. Because the filing deadline to run for 442 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: Congress in Indiana is early February. Who other than the 443 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: most connected, because they're gonna change the districts, right, They're 444 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: gonna draw people in some districts and out of some districts. 445 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: Who other than the most connected people would be ready 446 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: and prepared. Yeah, the money and the resources. Governor Demensia 447 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: Patient said the quiet part out loud, which is everything 448 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: we've been telling our audience, which is this is all right, 449 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: this is why I'm against it. It's not about anything 450 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: other than getting more of their cronies into the United 451 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: States Congress. And it ain't gonna be Thomas Massey type people. 452 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: Just take the seven people that are currently in office. 453 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: Remember on the Captain Planet cartoon where they'd all put 454 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 1: their rings together and they would form Captain Planet. Just 455 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 1: take the seven people and form a congressman. Out of that, 456 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: you've got professional office opper Aaron Houch and gun grabber 457 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 1: shreeb a messmer yapper Victoria sparts who I ap app 458 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: and then does whatever the establishment tells her to do. 459 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: Rudy Yakam the new and less improved Marlin Stutsman like, 460 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: just take them all as one person and put them together. 461 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: That's what the Congress is going to look like. You 462 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: think it's not gonna be somebody that they don't know. 463 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: They being the established and knows who it is and 464 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: will immediately get behind that person, but also to money 465 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: behind them, right resources, And he just admitted it out loud. 466 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: He said. 467 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 2: A November session is more ideal than waiting until the 468 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 2: regular twenty six legislative session in January, due to one, 469 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 2: the congressional primary filing period beginning early in twenty six, 470 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 2: and also the cost and complexity of delaying. 471 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: No reasonable person would be able to assemble what is 472 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:55,719 Speaker 1: necessary to win a congressional primary in two months. I 473 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 1: have worked for a US Senate campaign before. I've been 474 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: around closely following Indiana politics and government for fifteen years now. 475 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: That is not how this orch you're talking having to 476 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: raise probably well over a million dollars. You're going to 477 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: have to put a team of people together to cover 478 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: because they're gonna have to jerrymander these districts now so 479 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 1: that they're much bigger or oddly shaped than they were before, 480 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: which means you're going to need more staff. There's no 481 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: regular person is going to be able to do that 482 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 1: and to compete. So they already know what they're going 483 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,719 Speaker 1: to do or what they want to do, or he 484 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: already has been informed, or Josh Kelly has already been 485 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: informed as chief of staff, And there's a good chance 486 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: they already know who the people are who would run 487 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: in those districts. We were just proven correct again. These 488 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: people are the worst. 489 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 2: Many times a district will cut a county right in half. 490 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 2: But he said he wants the legislature to lead the process, 491 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 2: not be forced into it. And he said he believes 492 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 2: lawmakers are warming up to the idea. Eventually we'll get there. 493 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 2: And we'll get back to that in just a second. 494 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 2: But he warned of consequences for Indiana's GOP if the 495 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 2: state delays. He said, we'll have consequences of not working 496 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 2: with the Trump administration as tightly as we should. Federal dollars, 497 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 2: that's what we're talking about. 498 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 1: So, Casey, what are you if you give your body 499 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: away for money? Like if someone hands you money. 500 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 5: A person of ill repute? 501 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: No, no, no, what are you? What are you? If you? 502 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: If you if I, if I hand you money and 503 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: you engage in a acts of a sexual nature for 504 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: that money. What are you prostitute? That's right. Yeah, Mike 505 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: Broun is admitting I am not no, no you. I'm 506 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: saying Mike Bronn is admitting Indiana is a prostitute to 507 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: the Trump administration, not not not standing up in me 508 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: accountable to you. Because they've all admitted the maps are 509 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: fine and youre. Ireland admitted when he was on this show. 510 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: Braun essentially admitted when he's on with Hammer and Nigel. 511 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: They've all admitted there there's no problem with the electoral 512 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: process in Indiana. There's nothing that needs to be changed 513 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: about our maps. There's not some thing we drew and said, 514 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, totally screwed up our maps. They're admitting 515 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: we're doing this solely for political purposes. And now Braun 516 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: is admitting governor dementia patient is saying it out loud 517 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: that I'm doing it because I'm a prostitute to the 518 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: Trump administration. I don't give a damn about you at all, 519 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: and I'm so worried. And by the way, this tells 520 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: you a lot about Donald Trump, doesn't it. It tells 521 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: you a lot about the people in the Trump administration 522 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 1: that they have clearly leveraged because he wouldn't make that 523 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: statement unless the threat was made, which, by the way, 524 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: wasn't there a radio program weeks ago that said that 525 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: was the push that people were from the Trump administration 526 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: were threatening the state of India. Hey, if that was 527 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: your radio show, raise your hand. Oh that's us, that's us. 528 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: We were told this weeks ago that this is the 529 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: threat from the Trump administration is that they are going 530 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: to take away money. Now they won't they who are 531 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: they gonna give it to California? Well, they're gonna do 532 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: what does that even mean? They're gonna take away money? 533 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: But they believe these people are so weak in the 534 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: General Assembly that they will do whatever they're told to do. 535 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: And Governor dementia patient because he can't keep his fat 536 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: mouth shut. Not only is now admitted essentially that they 537 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: have already know what the map is and they know 538 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: who's gonna run, but he's also admitting that he's doing 539 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: it because he's a prostitute to the Trump administration and 540 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: he just like the rest of these Republicans, just fine, 541 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 1: all their huffing and puffing are addicted to federal money. 542 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 2: So the center Republicans, they had a closed door caucus 543 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,959 Speaker 2: last week and some of them met virtually and in person, 544 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 2: some of the House Republicans. And you do have some 545 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 2: of the lawmakers that are shifting. For example, Representative Jim Lucas, 546 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 2: he changed from opposing to supporting. He went from a 547 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 2: hard way. 548 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: Wait wait wait wait wait wait now Jim Lucas. Now 549 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: he is the lawmaker who drove drunk, yes, blew through 550 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:05,479 Speaker 1: the barricade, fled the scene, hit his automobile, and then 551 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: got cute with the cops when they caught up to 552 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: him and tried to question him. That Jim Lucas correct. 553 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: Just want to make sure we were talking about the 554 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 1: same Jim Lucas who had done that. I know if 555 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: there was a second Jim Lucas in the General Assembly. 556 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure that we had the 557 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: right Jim Lucas. 558 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 2: So he put out a big statement on September eleventh, 559 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 2: so five days ago, and when he switched from being 560 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 2: a hard note to a hell yes, we thought maybe 561 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 2: it was just an emotional response to the assassination. 562 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: No, he's a dumb as. He's a dumb ass. 563 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 2: But he attributed to his current stay in surgery. He 564 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 2: had at the Indiana Spine Hospital. 565 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: What did what did him having surgery have to do 566 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: with rigging the election maps in favor of getting another 567 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: Jefferson Shree even Jennifer Ruth Green type person. 568 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 2: He said, if the Dems take control of the House midterm, 569 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 2: places like this, and he's referring to the Indiana Spine Hospital, 570 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 2: he said, places like this might go under and the 571 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: rest of Trump's reforms and healthcare, energy costs, border control, 572 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 2: immigration of voter reform, et cetera will be dead in 573 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 2: the water. 574 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: WHOA, what does rigging the election map have to do 575 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: with energy costs? With the spine hospital going out of business? 576 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 2: He said? 577 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 5: Reforms? 578 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 2: No? 579 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no no no. 580 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: Am I missing something? I mean, I get it's it's 581 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,479 Speaker 1: it's our regular dumbass of the day winter Jim Lucas 582 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: making the statement. But am I missing something obvious about 583 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: how if we don't further rig the maps to get 584 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: two more Jefferson Shrieve Jennifer Ruth Green type people that 585 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: somehow the spine hospital. 586 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 2: Uh. He said, the hospital determines his best interests. They 587 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 2: get to take their time with the patients and have 588 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 2: enough time to even tell jokes and they've thoroughly discussed 589 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 2: the wanton destruction Obamacare and insurance companies have wrought upon 590 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 2: the entire healthcare system. 591 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, look, these are your lawmakers, right, these 592 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: are the people that represent you. It's just one lie 593 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: after another Braun, Lie Lie Lie, Lie, Lucas Lye, Lie Lie, 594 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: pick your favorite one. Craig Haggard went on this radio 595 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: show and told us our maps were great, told us 596 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: how good the maps were, told us he was against redistricting. 597 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: None of it matters. 598 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 2: I think the most important thing to take away is 599 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 2: that Braun warned of consequences. We'll have consequences of not 600 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 2: working with the Trump administration as tightly as we should. 601 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 2: So only the governor can call a special session. And 602 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 2: it's going to be a cost around two hundred and 603 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 2: fifty to three hundred fifty thousand dollars. 604 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: So but here's the and and we're gonna get you 605 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: break his hammers gonna come up. But the problem is, 606 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: look at all the people that are still it's some 607 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: bizarre mental pretzel thing twisting themselves into somehow We're gonna 608 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: do this for Charlie Kirk, right. They'll utilize whatever they 609 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: have to nothing will get any better, thing will change. 610 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: And yet the same people who get lied to over 611 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: and over and over and over again and will be 612 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: the first people to whine and to complain when the 613 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: Republicans screw them again like they always screw them, are 614 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: doing this bizarre mental pretzel twisting thing to justify putting 615 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: more of these people in power. What does it ever 616 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: get you? I will ask you to ask yourself this 617 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: outver the course of today. What does repeatedly, whether it's 618 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: the State House, the State Senate, the governor's office, the 619 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: US Congress, the US House, the US Senate, what does 620 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: any of this ever get you? How does your life 621 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: ever get any better by repeatedly listening to these people 622 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: and going along with their little scams and schemes. 623 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 2: Hammer's going to join us next on ninety three WIBC. 624 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: Hey, you see that Illinois U lines up to five 625 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: and a half at one sports book that's been don't 626 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: matter for the premise of our show. All I gotta 627 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: do is fine, and it just happens to be the 628 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: one I used anyway. 629 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 5: And it's a legit one. 630 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 6: It's not like it's Billy Bob's backyard sportsbook. FanDuel for 631 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 6: those who play on FanDuel site now has that game 632 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 6: as five and a half, meaning I you. 633 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 5: As a five and a half point favorite. 634 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 6: Oddsmakers in Las Vegas according to FanDuel, feel like I 635 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 6: you will win by more than five. 636 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 5: And a half. 637 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: Now, that seems like a lot to me. Because by 638 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,479 Speaker 1: the way, it's Kenelly Casey Show and Rob Casey's here. 639 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: That's Jason Hammer from The Hammer and Nigel Show. We 640 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: have a sports betting podcast which will come out later today. 641 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 6: And the game of the week is Illinois at Indiana. 642 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 6: That's really where college game they should have been. I 643 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 6: think this week they're down at Miami because Florida at 644 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 6: Miami probably a couple of weeks ago, looked a lot 645 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 6: better on the schedule than it did now because Miami. 646 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Florida stinks. 647 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, what's you're saying about Florida? They're ass Yeah. 648 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 5: And I thought their quarterback would be better DJ Lagway. 649 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 6: But my goodness, it's like having Tony Katz back there 650 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 6: right now, Like, Wow, seriously, would Tony Katz have played 651 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 6: worse than DJ Lagway last week? 652 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: For well, that's a fair question. So cigar down, can 653 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: you imagine, and we wear shoes with with with the 654 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: with the toes. 655 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 6: There have been bigger quarterbacks before. Remember when Kentucky had 656 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 6: the big fat guy, Jared Lorenzo. That's right, the hefty lefty, 657 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 6: the old hefty lefty. Uh okay, So but I you 658 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 6: is giving Illinois five and I'm like, I'm just gonna 659 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 6: say it right now. Uh you know, I love the 660 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 6: Illinois coach because he's an oddly shaped human and then 661 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 6: allegedly had a little tryst. 662 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: With rumored yeah Andrews back in the day. Yeah. So 663 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: put those two together, you've got a superman on the sidelines. 664 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: And so I'm in on. I'm all Illinois all the time. 665 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: And look, I watched that Illinois Douke game. We got 666 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: that right a couple of weeks ago. I think Illinois 667 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: pretty good. 668 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 6: They are good. And again, this is the best game 669 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 6: on the slate. If somebody were in a car crash 670 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 6: like five years ago and they woke up from a coma, 671 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 6: or make it ten years ago because COVID year was weird, 672 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 6: and you told them, hey, this weekend, yeah, Florida and 673 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 6: Miami is going to be okay. But the real game 674 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 6: is Illinois against Indiana. Yeah, they would have looked you 675 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 6: look you were crazy. But other sports book, Rob, they 676 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 6: had this game going the other direction. Like I saw 677 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 6: Bette Rivers earlier today it was down to just four 678 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 6: from four and a half. So one book FanDuel went 679 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 6: up the other way, another sports book went the other way. 680 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 6: This is why we say on our show all the time, 681 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,240 Speaker 6: treat gambling like Black Friday shopping. 682 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 5: You got to find the best deal. 683 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 6: So if you're somebody that's gonna pick Illinois, like, maybe 684 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 6: go with where Rob's going FanDuel, because they've got the 685 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 6: most points for you, five and a half and the 686 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 6: number's good. If you're somebody that's gonna be backing the Hoosiers, 687 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 6: maybe take a look at Bette Rivers because it's only 688 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 6: four as of this morning on that site. 689 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 1: So is I you good? I don't even know. I mean, 690 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: you can't beat directional schools and I know how good 691 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: you are. 692 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 5: I think they're good. Yes, I think they're good. Are 693 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 5: they great? 694 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,760 Speaker 6: Now that we don't know? We're gonna find out maybe 695 00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 6: on Saturday, because Illinois comes in here as a top 696 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 6: ten team in America. 697 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: I have a presentation for you. Oh, Casey had been 698 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: bragging about her baking ability for years. Wow, she baked 699 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: cookies yesterday and they're fabulous, And so we saved you 700 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,919 Speaker 1: one because I'm a very giving person. Most people would 701 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: have just eaten all the cookies, but I gave one 702 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: to Caleb and to Kevin, and I'm giving one to 703 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 1: you because you look like you need to put on 704 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: a few pounds. 705 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 6: I see what you're trying to do, but the real 706 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 6: reality is you didn't like her cookies. 707 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 5: I'm not falling for this true out. 708 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 6: So you're trying to be nice to your co worker, 709 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 6: but the real reality is had you like these, you 710 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 6: would ate every single one of them. Because I know 711 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 6: you're poor and you don't have any money. 712 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: You know what I'm dealing with. 713 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 2: You know what he's like on a normal basis when 714 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:41,720 Speaker 2: he gets angry. 715 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: Lookout, what are you doing today? What's going on this afternoon? 716 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 6: We will do a little color roulette and some high 717 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,280 Speaker 6: profile legal stuff going on this afternoon? 718 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 2: All right, Thanks Sammer. It is Kendall and Casey on 719 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 2: ninety three w ib C.