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Speaker 1: So here's the thing, Eddie, here's the thing, people of Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: It's not just hump day. Let me go ahead and

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Speaker 1: officially welcome everyone. Let me go ahead and officially declare

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Speaker 1: right here at twelve noon on this Wednesday, the and

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Speaker 1: I've got to think whether it's the eighteenth or nineteenth,

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Speaker 1: the eighteenth of February, let me go ahead and declare

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Speaker 1: it welcome, people of Indianapolis to the first day of

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Speaker 1: fall spring. Let's go. Let's go fall summit. When you're

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Speaker 1: climbing them ount and you think you're there and you're like,

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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, same thing. We're going to have snow

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Speaker 1: flurry still in the future, We're going to have a

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Speaker 1: blustery day around the time that sectionals come. It always happens.

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Speaker 1: But nonetheless, it is sixty degrees. It is glorious, Eddie.

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Speaker 1: Where do we stand right now on the snow challenge outside?

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Speaker 1: From your view? Are we completely done now?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: Really?

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Speaker 4: I took a walk around the parking lot when I

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Speaker 4: got in because I was like, ooh, I don't see

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Speaker 1: There's still some also, groundhog not right. I don't know though,

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Speaker 1: which one did he say that we would have more winter, Eddie,

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Speaker 1: it's a fall spring. Don't don't count your chickens before

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Speaker 1: the hatch here, buddy, Like it's this is glorious, right,

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Speaker 1: and it looks like we are. It's like when you're

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Speaker 1: riding the Beast. When you ride the Beast and you

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Speaker 1: up that hill and you think the rides about over,

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Speaker 1: and then you look down and there's one tunnel and

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Speaker 1: you go through it and you're like, man, that the

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Speaker 1: tunnel you have to go through. That's where we are.

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Speaker 1: It looks like we're at the end of the tunnel.

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Speaker 1: But don't kid yourself entirely. But along with that, along

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Speaker 1: with declaring the beauty of the day, and it's going

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Speaker 1: to be a great day today, and we're going to

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Speaker 1: and we're going to celebrate and we're going to kick

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Speaker 1: back like that day when you first get the scent

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Speaker 1: and the hint and the field that the school years

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Speaker 1: But in that capacity, in the capacity of feeling good

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Speaker 1: about everything in the world and the endorphins or whatever

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Speaker 1: it is that kick in when it's like this outside.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go ahead and on this Wednesday, on

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Speaker 1: this ash Wednesday, I'm going to confess to two areas

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Speaker 1: where I had been totally wrong, two areas where I

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Speaker 1: was totally off base. Now I've been wrong twice before.

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Speaker 1: First time it happened was in nineteen seventy eight, and

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Speaker 1: then it happened again in like nineteen ninety two, but

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Speaker 1: I will confess to being wrong about this. Yesterday when

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Speaker 1: we were talking about purduing Michigan and when we were

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Speaker 1: forecasting the way things were going to go between Purdue

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Speaker 1: optimistic Ali or raw Ra Ricky. I truly did think

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Speaker 1: that with all of the ups and downs that Purdue

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Speaker 1: it's hard to say about a team that's twenty one

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Speaker 1: But based on the precedent that Purdue has set for

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Speaker 1: But the area yesterday, I really did think that was

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Speaker 1: Because and that's the thing with this particular Purdue group,

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Speaker 1: and the challenges that Michigan creates, because it's one of

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Speaker 1: those things that you can kind of anticipate it going in,

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Speaker 1: that's the challenge of it, the diversity with which they

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Speaker 1: can play. Matt Painter, do you agree that in retrospect

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Speaker 5: Yeah, very difficult, and you do some breakdown trills where

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Speaker 5: and so what I always talk about when you're up

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Speaker 5: they really attack the middle when they advanced the basketball.

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Speaker 6: We were going to meet them there.

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Speaker 5: So now you allow that ball to get advanced. When

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Speaker 5: I'd rather teach third grade because you're just you're fouling them.

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Speaker 5: You're folling them. If you're behind to play and they

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Speaker 5: have numbers, you're in trouble, especially if size is involved.

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Speaker 5: Like jax O Landenberg is not a normal small forward,

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Speaker 5: freshman and sophomore in college. Like they have three defensive fives,

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Speaker 5: but they're it's not their issue. Our issue is two

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Speaker 5: of those guys can now switch and guard point guards.

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Speaker 5: That's where the difference is. The difference isn't in their scheme.

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Speaker 5: Their difference is how hard they play, how long they are,

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Speaker 5: and how athletic. But that versatility, you know, because Mark

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Speaker 5: but you can pick on him, just like people could

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Speaker 5: pick on Zach like you can pick on him. Those

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Speaker 6: I used to always say that about Jay n Ivy.

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Speaker 5: He'd have great blocks, but he also would get beat

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Speaker 5: and have a great block. Right, those guys make mistakes

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Speaker 6: We just the rest of the world fouls.

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing about that team, about Michigan and

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Speaker 1: credit to Dusty May, because yes, you have to have

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Speaker 1: athleticism in order to cover those mistakes. Yes you have

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Speaker 1: you also have to have intuition and you have to

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Speaker 1: have basketball feel. And basketball feel is something that you're

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Speaker 1: guys can learn eventually to do that. But if you

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Speaker 1: And that Michigan team feels like a group like what

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Speaker 1: you'd watch a game they pounce on a mistake and

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Speaker 1: Then they're sound and they get a defensive stop and

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Speaker 1: they come down to they score and they're up ten

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Speaker 1: this game's over. The clock alone is on their side.

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Speaker 1: And Michigan kind of felt that way last night. It

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Speaker 1: was a close game. It's like eleven ten and Purdue's leading,

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Speaker 1: Michigan goes on a run and before you know what,

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Speaker 1: you're down ten and there's never coming back. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Purdue made their runs, but they were never able to

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Speaker 1: And for Purdue, my worry now is truly and I

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Speaker 1: think they are a very good team. But I really

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Speaker 1: thought going into the year that Purdue was I was

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Speaker 1: certain that with the Final Four being here in Indy

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Speaker 1: the how cool it was going to be to have

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Speaker 1: a local team and local buzz with the Final four.

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Speaker 1: Final four is gonna be great anyway, and all of

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Speaker 1: the Division one division it's all going to be here.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be an unbelievable March of basketball, late

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Speaker 1: March of basketball, early April, whatever, it is a basketball

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Speaker 1: here in Central Indiana. But I really did think Purdue

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Speaker 1: because they just look like a second weekend but Elite

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Speaker 4: I could be wrong, right, I mean, they're one of

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Speaker 4: those teams Jake, that I don't want to see it

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Speaker 1: in order to be in that job, you have to

436
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Speaker 1: have an understanding of x's and o's. He has that.

437
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Speaker 3: You have to have an ability.

438
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Speaker 1: And I will give him credit he ejected one of

439
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Speaker 1: his own players from the game after a cheap foul

440
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: late in the game. You have to have a discipline

441
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Speaker 1: about you. I give him credit there, kudos to him

442
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: for that. But you also have to have a control

443
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Speaker 1: not just of the narrative in the moment, but also

444
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Speaker 1: of yourself. Bob Knight didn't have a control of himself.

445
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: He didn't, but he knew how to control the situations

446
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: and the speculation and the analysis of what he was doing.

447
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: That guy and in that situation, you know, cronin with

448
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 1: the whole like are you raising your voice at me?

449
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: Like trying to who are you?

450
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Speaker 3: Dude?

451
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: You just got beat by thirty and your team is

452
00:24:54,920 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 1: grossly underperforming. So is he calculatedly trying to get fired?

453
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, But what I know is this. What

454
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 1: I know is to localize that aspect of it. He

455
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: is a guy that I thought was a candidate at Indiana,

456
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,479
Speaker 1: and now I can say, thank goodness he wasn't. Because

457
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: if you can't handle that kind of pressure at UCLA,

458
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: zero chance you can handle it handle it at Indiana,

459
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 1: who have the most delusional fan base of reality of

460
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Speaker 1: placement of their program. In twenty twenty six of anybody

461
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Speaker 1: in college basketball, ESPN had a report of, or rather

462
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: a column players with each franchise that are in need

463
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Speaker 1: of a change. And there's one of them just one

464
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Speaker 1: hundred and ten miles down the road that has been

465
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: consistently linked to the Colts. And if that player needs

466
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Speaker 1: a change and he brings to the table something in

467
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson that the Colts desperately need and there's familiarity

468
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Speaker 1: with the coaching staff, does that mean it could still

469
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Speaker 1: again be revisited that he lands here or are the

470
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Speaker 1: Bengals going to do everything they can franchise Tag to

471
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Speaker 1: keep him. Charlie Clifford, who is a proud Miami Redhawk,

472
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: and his team is undefeated, but it was also covering

473
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Speaker 1: red spring training and on top of that Bengals story

474
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Speaker 1: going to join us next. Now we do this every time, Eddie,

475
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: but each time a song from Fast Times is played,

476
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Speaker 1: we try to remember what scene it was played. Do

477
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Speaker 1: you remember this particularly? Which scene is this? That's the

478
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Speaker 1: school first day? This is the first day of school. Yeah,

479
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: so the opening scene is we got the beat and

480
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: then it goes into this for the first day of school. Yes,

481
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Speaker 1: the toilet paper flying and all that. Right, Yeah, okay,

482
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: you know I watched the I shouldn't say this. I

483
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Speaker 1: literally I watched like thirty minutes of Fast Times last night.

484
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Speaker 1: That sounds kind of like I got a problem because it's,

485
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Speaker 1: you know, but utes right around the time when Hamilton's

486
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Speaker 1: got to take the stuff to the boys that i'd

487
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Speaker 1: and he decides to you know, Hamilton, you're going over

488
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 1: there as a representative of Captain Hook's fish and chips.

489
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: Part of our brand, part of our image is at uniform.

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00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: You know that you really want me to put it

491
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Speaker 1: back on sirt? Yes, I do, ay, ay, sir, show

492
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: a little pride. That was the scene that I saw.

493
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: Now it's a confession hump day Wednesday, I confess to

494
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 1: the fact that I was wrong about Mick Cronin. I

495
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 1: confess to the fact that I was wrong about Michigan

496
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: and the way that game went and Michigan's ability to

497
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Speaker 1: shoot from the outside and what a dagger that was

498
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: for Purdue. Anything you'd like to confess today.

499
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Speaker 4: I would like to confess I had the time mix

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Speaker 4: up there with Charlie Clifford, formerly a WISH.

501
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Speaker 3: TV now at NBC five in Cincinnati.

502
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that is you said, because you told me

503
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: you were all excited. I came in and you said, oh,

504
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Speaker 1: I can't wait till twelve thirty. Charlie Clifford's going to

505
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Speaker 1: join us at twelve thirty. And I like Charlie. I

506
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: listened from when he was at Channel eight and he's

507
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 1: going to be at twelve thirty today. So just remember,

508
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Speaker 1: Jake that when you go to break you want to

509
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Speaker 1: be sure to be back by twelve thirty.

510
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Speaker 3: And Okay, now you're overplaying it.

511
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Speaker 1: And I'm diligent about this. I'm looking right here at

512
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Speaker 1: my notes twelve Yeah, very digital digit Yeah, I am

513
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: an on task guy, diligent. Listen, when I set my

514
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: mind to something and I don't know if you know

515
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: you haven't. Did you see back to the future?

516
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 3: Yes?

517
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: Okay, and back to the future you may recall that

518
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: George McFly when the books arrive, What does you say

519
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: to Marty? When you put your mind to it, you

520
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: can accomplish anything, right, When you put your mind to it,

521
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: you accomplish it, like for example, and I have an

522
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: update for you. Okay, this from Erican Fishers. Okay, hey Jake,

523
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: Eric and Fishers. I asked my son this morning how

524
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Speaker 1: the QR movement was going at a school and he said,

525
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Speaker 1: not a thing yet, Dad, Now here's the thing.

526
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Speaker 3: No, you're lying, you are lying.

527
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Speaker 4: I'm looking at the same text on the three one

528
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Speaker 4: seven seventy text line.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Jake, Ericon Fishers.

530
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Speaker 4: I asked my sun this morning how the QR movement

531
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Speaker 4: was going and school, and Eddie would appreciate this response.

532
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 4: It's not a thing, Dad, No, no, no yet, you

533
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 4: yet it's not a thing, Dad, not a.

534
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: Thing yet period matter of time. Because when you put

535
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: your mind to it, you can accomplish anything, right. So

536
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: based on that, okay, when you put your mind to it, Eddie,

537
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: you can get it right that it's it's two thirty

538
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: for Charlie Clifford.

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Speaker 3: And not twelve thirty.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Case, he's in Mountain time.

542
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: So you see in Mountain he's at spring training for

543
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Speaker 1: the Reds.

544
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's in Goodyear, Arizona. Yeah.

545
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: Oh that's right outside the racetrack. Yeah, right next to

546
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: the Phoenix International Raceway. What do you think the temperature

547
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: is over there today?

548
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 8: Wow?

549
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: You think it's warmer here or there? It's supposed to

550
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: be sixty six today?

551
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 4: Right, sixty seven that's what it is. Thirty eight today,

552
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Speaker 4: I'll look it up.

553
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Speaker 1: Charlie Clifford two thirty today. We also have tickets to

554
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: give away to the Dave Matthews Band that is going

555
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: to be June twenty sixth at RUOP.

556
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Speaker 4: Music Center, sixty one in overcast in Arizona. Yeah, it

557
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 4: feels like fifty because there's some wind.

558
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: See, so we're doing better in Arizona, right, Yeah? What

559
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: the hell's he going there for?

560
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 3: Show?

561
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 9: Is?

562
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 10: Huh?

563
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 3: That's where Ellie Dla show is.

564
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean you could you can watch out

565
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Speaker 1: on the iPad enjoy the weather here.

566
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 3: No you can't.

567
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: What are you hopping on a bird heading down to

568
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: Arizona just to try to get yourself some sun. You

569
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: got it right here. Well, all of a sudden you

570
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: need sit out here in our parking on Indiana so

571
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: I can coun here. Why not?

572
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 3: Indiana's exactly correct? Thank you?

573
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Speaker 1: Trademarked by the way, uh in what former fashion are

574
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: we going to give away our Dave Matthews tickets?

575
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 4: That's a good question. We should probably have had a

576
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Speaker 4: pre show meeting about that.

577
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 3: Here's what I think we should do.

578
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: I think coming up in eight minutes, we should just

579
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: do a get to know your listener segment, okay, and

580
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: see who. But I need a compelling reason. I need

581
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Speaker 1: a compelling reason why. And Dave Matthews. People go crazy

582
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: for the Dave Matthews concert right marching ants. They go

583
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: nuts for it. It's a rite of passage to people.

584
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: They get, you know, Dave Matthews concerts for that. It's

585
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: like indy five hundreds. People know exactly how many they've

586
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: been to. How many Dave shows? You into thirty It's

587
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: been my thirty night show. Like they keep it track

588
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: of it. I've seen it. I've seen him seven places.

589
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: They start to play a certain song and people, oh

590
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: my gosh, you haven't played this since Tulsa and seventeen.

591
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: They get the people get all into it. So if

592
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna give away two, not one, but two two

593
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: pair of Dave Matthews tickets for June twenty six, that

594
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: rule off that'll be here before you know it, then

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00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: I think we should do that in the form of

596
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: get to know your listener. But you have to tell

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00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: me the compelling reason why you should go. And I

598
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: don't mean like I don't want to hear like.

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Speaker 3: Oh I don't know. I mean I've got my own

600
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 3: to college with a guy named Dave. That doesn't count,

601
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

602
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, that doesn't count. So yeah, yeah, we can do that.

603
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 4: Did you see this yesterday? Take I'm sure you did,

604
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 4: speaking of some that's right around the corner, or I

605
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 4: guess I should say in this case turn two weeks

606
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 4: from Sunday. As you would know, IndyCar Season starts, but

607
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 4: they had some open testing yesterday at Phoenix to kind

608
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Speaker 4: of tie two things together. David Malucas of now Team

609
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 4: Penske in that number twelve machine fastest time yesterday. When

610
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 4: you think about just like storylines going into the IndyCar season,

611
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 4: I keep forgetting that, Melucas is now with Team Penske

612
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 4: Correct and will Power after that phenomenal. I don't know

613
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 4: if you've seen it commercially yet with him, he's with

614
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 4: Andretti Global.

615
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: Now, did you also notice on the speed chart where

616
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: go down about five spots below Malucas and there's power Power.

617
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,479
Speaker 1: I think was he not like fifth or six? I

618
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: think I could be wrong in that on that speed chart.

619
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Speaker 1: David Malucas, for those that don't know, is really talented

620
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Speaker 1: and he was really talented when he came up through

621
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Speaker 1: the ranks in terms of Indieli in the Next as

622
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: it's now known, and there was a lot of praise

623
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Speaker 1: and expectation about him, and he got into the series

624
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: and he made he made fans very early because not

625
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: only is he a good personality and a younger guy

626
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: from the Chicago area, but also kind of an underdog

627
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: story and a guy that in lesser equipment had races

628
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: where he was chasing down bigger teams and hanging in

629
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Speaker 1: there and you know, showing a lot of moxy. And

630
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Speaker 1: that allowed him the opportunity to sign with kind of

631
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Speaker 1: the dream ride of Aaron McLaren, and he had signed

632
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: with Aaron McLaren and it was like, Okay, this is

633
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: this is now the emergence, this is the arrival of

634
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Speaker 1: David Malucas. And then in a biking accident he broke

635
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: his wrist. He missed a number of races, which contractually

636
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: he was he had to make a certain minimum number

637
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: of races. He was not able to make those races,

638
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: and as a result McLaren let him out. He was

639
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: relieved of his contract, and then he went and drove

640
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: for a couple of different teams to kind of keep

641
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 1: his name in.

642
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 3: There and.

643
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,919
Speaker 1: Eventually landed the opportunity. At the end of last year,

644
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: we knew it was going to be that he was

645
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: going to be this year with Penske and driving in

646
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: the car that is vacated by will power by power

647
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: going to end ready global, and so there is a

648
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: lot of expectation on Malucas. The question is going to

649
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: be kind of like what we talked about with McK cronin.

650
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: It's a different level of noise once you get to Penske,

651
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: a different expectation, a different barometer and a different bell

652
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: that needs to be answered. And I think he's certainly

653
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: capable of it. But he's a young guy.

654
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're doing an opening test right now until two

655
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Speaker 4: o'clock in Rousi Knugardian palom Ma, Lucas Kirkwood your top five,

656
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 4: so he's up there in the top five again. This

657
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 4: hard stands right now.

658
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 1: This from David. Hey, Jake, did I miss it? What's

659
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: the snow update on the parking lot? We got We

660
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: went over this earlier, but eddiewhere do we stand? The

661
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: over under was the seventeenth. We just you took the under.

662
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so technically you want to, but.

663
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 4: We just need to tweet out a video some sort

664
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 4: of on the on the show twitter of like one

665
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 4: of either you or me or both of us or

666
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 4: whatever doing a walk around the parking lot.

667
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

668
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 1: I mean we're close or close, but they're still remnant, right, still.

669
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 3: Very very very very little, very little.

670
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 4: I'm afraid with how warm it is out there and

671
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 4: the sun beating down on the pavement that by the

672
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 4: time the show's over, it all be.

673
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 3: Gone, you think, so, I think so. I don't know.

674
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: Man, This the far western corner, which we can't see

675
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: necessarily from right here. Uh, but that that's where there's

676
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: one little mogul left right, Is it mobile or mogil?

677
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: What do they say on when you're skiing, I think

678
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: it's mogul. Does that mean that those are the little

679
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: mounds that are of influence and wealth?

680
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 3: Aren't those moguls? Also think so?

681
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: So your real estate mogul or a snow mogul?

682
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 3: Is it? I think be bobal? Do we know? Can

683
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 3: I be both?

684
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 1: I guess?

685
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 3: All right?

686
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: Dave Matthews tickets to give away other side two nine

687
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: ten seventy the telephone number, but you got to tell

688
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: me why you want to go On June twenty sixth

689
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: at ruoffh We will get into that. Then later on

690
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: the show, we're gonna talk to one of the best

691
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: coaches in college basketball in the state of Indiana. Not

692
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: because of the x's and o's, but I was looking

693
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: at this guy's record and said, there's got to be

694
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: a hidden secret here. There's got to be something. What

695
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: is it that this coach does that we all can

696
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 1: learn from that conversation coming up two o'clock David Woods,

697
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: the little Olympic chat coming up bottom of the one

698
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: o'clock hour, as well Quarry Company and the Fan. Now,

699
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 1: I've had numerous people point out to me that apparently

700
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: American girl with Tom Petty is also in Silence of

701
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: the Lambs. And I don't know this, but if hearing

702
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 1: that song makes you think of the Silence of the

703
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: Lambs over fast times, that's a sign of a mental disorder.

704
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 3: I'm fairly certain. Right, I haven't seen that movie, so

705
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 3: I wouldn't know Silence of the Lambs. Nope. Oh, you're

706
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 3: gonna have a friend over for dinner? Watch that?

707
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 9: Uh?

708
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Speaker 1: Okay, we have tickets to give away June twenty sixth I.

709
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 3: Have of friend. Huh, I only have one friend and

710
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 3: I don't know.

711
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: Well, you know, listen, you don't want to have for

712
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: dinner Silence to the Lambs, fashion or else, then you

713
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: got none. I can just tell you that, Okay, Okay?

714
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,919
Speaker 1: Who do we have lined up here for the big

715
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: phone calls? And I need I need to know why

716
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: people need to go see Dave Matthew.

717
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 4: You's got Chris, Francesca and Nick Scott and Nathan Did

718
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 4: you say Francesca Francesca?

719
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 3: Do we know is that a female Francesca? Yes?

720
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Speaker 1: Do you happen to have the breaking news sounder?

721
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 7: Well?

722
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Speaker 4: Do we know if Francesca has called in the program before?

723
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Speaker 4: Before we hit the very Good New Clounder.

724
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Speaker 1: Let's go to Francesca, who joins us on the show.

725
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: Hi Francesca, how are you?

726
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 9: Hi?

727
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 11: Good? How are you?

728
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm well? Thank you? First off, this is Query and Company.

729
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 3: Here.

730
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Speaker 1: Have you called the program before, Francesca?

731
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 12: I have never called before.

732
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 3: Now, okay, you.

733
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: Sounding a nice gal? Is your radio broken? Or are

734
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: you listening to this show on purpose?

735
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 13: All?

736
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 12: I'm listening to the show on purpose. My husband listens

737
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 12: every day, so I've been listening by default for a while.

738
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: Now, by default, we find Francesca that ninety percent of

739
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: our listeners. It's by default, you know what I mean? Now,

740
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: just out of curiosity. But everything is okay, right, You're

741
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: not being forced against your will to do anything?

742
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: Correct?

743
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 12: Absolutely not.

744
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 9: No.

745
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 12: I was just talking to my husband on the way

746
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 12: we went to grab some lunch, and I was like,

747
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 12: I should call. I listen enough, but.

748
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 8: I've never won.

749
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Speaker 12: I should call and see if I could win the tickets.

750
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, what's your husband's name?

751
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 8: His name is Zach Zach?

752
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: Okay, it's not Zach Keifer, is it?

753
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 7: No?

754
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 12: Zach Sponsel?

755
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 3: Okay? Is that?

756
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: Is he anything like that? Zach Morris from Saved by

757
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: the Bell.

758
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 12: He had and uncle Zack Morris.

759
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Speaker 1: Wow, okay, fair enough? Yeah right, Francesca, I'd like to

760
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: know this. Are you a fan of the Dave Matthews band?

761
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 12: Yes, you're got him a fan. I've been going with

762
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 12: my mom and cousin since I was fifteen and I

763
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 12: will be thirty four this year.

764
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: Okay, So you've been to how many shows? I mean,

765
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: quick math would say nineteen, unless you've been to more

766
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: or less than one per summer, right, I exactly?

767
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 12: I would say at least twenty shows?

768
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: Do you find that all of his songs sound the same?

769
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Speaker 9: Not a true day fan?

770
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what right there?

771
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: That might have sold me the true Dave fan aspect

772
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: of it, all right, Francesca, last question would be this,

773
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: since you're a listener of the program and Eddie, we

774
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,439
Speaker 1: can now officially Francesca bear with us. Can we play

775
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: the breaking new satur please? This just Dan forty female listeners.

776
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: We've hit the Big four zero Calbert Cheney four zero?

777
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 3: What's that? Eddie? Thirty nine? Thirty nine, thirty nine? Did

778
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 3: we lose one?

779
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 9: No?

780
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 3: We were at thirty eight? Are you sure? Yes? And

781
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 3: we needn't game one? Since two days.

782
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: Ago Francesca, do you prefer to be number thirty nine

783
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 1: or number forty?

784
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 12: I think forty sounds better.

785
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: See, I'm going for listen. She knows how many Dave

786
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: shows she's been too for crying out allowed Eddie, we

787
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: got to go with her judgment. Here, we're going with forty.

788
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: We might have cheated a little bit there, All right,

789
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: Francesca June twenty six. Now, now you've been listening to

790
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: this show for how long?

791
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 7: Shoot?

792
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 11: I mean at least three years?

793
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: I thought you were going, oh, fifteen to twenty minutes easily.

794
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: All right, Francesca, hang on the line. We'll get your

795
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: information and we will make sure that you are now

796
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: on your way to show number twenty, Show number twenty?

797
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 3: All right?

798
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: Who is the Who's next on the Big Program?

799
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 8: Here?

800
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 3: Ready? We have Chris, Nick, Scott and Nathan. I will

801
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 3: let you pick.

802
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: Well you said Chris first. It looks like he might

803
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: have been the first to call in. Chris, how are you?

804
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: I'm good?

805
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 9: How are you?

806
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 14: Jake?

807
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: I'm good? Chris? If you had to guess, would you

808
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: say Francesca actually is female listener number thirty nine or forty?

809
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: Have you been keeping tabs on this number? By any chance,

810
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: I would go with forty. Say, there you go, hi, Chris.

811
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: The benefit of the doubt is what I'm looking for here,

812
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 1: So you're well earned.

813
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 8: There.

814
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: Have you called the show before, Chris?

815
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 3: I have you have? Okay?

816
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: And that was to say that you like or don't

817
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 1: like the program?

818
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 9: Oh?

819
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 3: I love the program? Okay?

820
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: What line of work are you?

821
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 3: And Chris?

822
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 7: I am an independent contractor for Little Debbie?

823
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 3: Oh wow?

824
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: What about those?

825
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 3: Now? Now let me ask you.

826
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 1: The oatmeal cream pies are going to just the double

827
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: decker these days? Did they still make the just the

828
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: single serving there?

829
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 9: Oh?

830
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 3: Yeah?

831
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 7: The single servings are the ones you buy in the stores.

832
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 7: The double deckers are the ones you get at the

833
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 7: gas station.

834
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: Ah, gotcha? Okay, Now how about the star Crunch They

835
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: still doing that?

836
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:17,439
Speaker 7: They still do those?

837
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 3: Okay?

838
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: And did you find when you were a kid that,

839
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: even before you were working for a Little Debbie that

840
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: it was difficult to watch Charlie Boum because of the

841
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: Dolly Madison ads. Yeah, still to this day that that

842
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: peeves you, isn't it?

843
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 6: Yes?

844
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: And how long as an independent contractor have you been

845
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: working for the LD?

846
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 7: I was with them. I've been with them for two years. Now,

847
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 7: before then I was I'm your part of your company.

848
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 7: I was with Pepsi and I was the refreshment director

849
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 7: of refreshments.

850
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: Okay, so now you're just the director of snacks, which

851
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: is fine. Last question, and then I promised we'll be

852
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: done talking about Little Debbie. But I'm a little obsessed

853
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: with that. Uh where is Little Debbie based? Do you

854
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 1: know what's the head quarter? Where does Little Debbie live?

855
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 3: College Dale, Tennessee.

856
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: College Dale, Tennessee. All right, fair enough, Chris. Are you

857
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: a fan of Dave Matthews?

858
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 7: I am a fan, but my wife is a bigger fan.

859
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,959
Speaker 7: And that's the reason that I need these tickets because

860
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 7: our anniversary is two weeks after the show, and this

861
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 7: would be perfect because I love to make my wife happy.

862
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 1: Her name is not Debbie, is it?

863
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 9: It is not?

864
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: Okay, because then it'd be bigger fan Debbie along with

865
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: Little Debbie. Okay, So your wife is the bigger fan

866
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: and you've been married for how long.

867
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 6: It'll be?

868
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 9: Eleven years?

869
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: Eleven years?

870
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 3: You said?

871
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well i'll tell you what June. When

872
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: is your anniversary?

873
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 9: July eighteenth.

874
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: Well, you're going to be three weeks prior to the anniversary,

875
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,919
Speaker 1: celebrating your then twelve year anniversary, because on June twenty six,

876
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: we will send you to ruof to go see the

877
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: Dave Matthews band and just go ahead and splurge for

878
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: the celebration and enjoy a double decker oatmeal cream pie

879
00:42:58,760 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: while you're doing it.

880
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 3: Right, Where did Chris go? Eddie?

881
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:06,479
Speaker 1: Did you mute?

882
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 3: Chris?

883
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 9: There?

884
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 4: I thought you were I thought you were done, Because,

885
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 4: as you say, Jake, you pay attention to the to

886
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 4: the sheet I gave you with you know, the listings

887
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 4: of when you need to hit your timeouts, and you

888
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 4: are overtime.

889
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 3: Well but but Chris is worth the overtime, okay? Or

890
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 3: is it little Debbie that's worth the overtime?

891
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 9: Well?

892
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 3: That too, right?

893
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: And I mean you could you could certainly make your

894
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: own joke about some of the euphemisms there. But all right, Chris,

895
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: enjoy all right, Happy anniversary to you.

896
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 9: Appreciate it.

897
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: That's how we do it. When we come back. Lebron

898
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: James had some interesting things to say. I note, Jake,

899
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: this is an Indianapolis radio program. Why are you telling

900
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: me about Lebron James. He's never played for the pacers.

901
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm tired of him. He's over forty, he's continued. No,

902
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: I get it, but he did say something very interesting

903
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: about one of the most beloved athletes in this town.

904
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 1: We'll let you hear it next. You know, I hate

905
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: to admit it, hate to admit it, but this song

906
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: does kind of bang. I know that it's listed as

907
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: the worst song ever recorded by like Billboard magazine, but

908
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: there's no way you can't kind of groove with it.

909
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: Right once they once they bring in that traffic report,

910
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I just lose my mind. Turn it up,

911
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: rip off the knob. Right, It is a gorgeous day

912
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: out on this hunt day Wednesday. How are you? My

913
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: name is Jake Quarry. Eddie Garrison is the other voice

914
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: you hear in this program. We call it Querry and Company.

915
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: They had a nine hour meeting to come up with

916
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: the name of the show. Nine Now let me ask

917
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: you something, Eddie. Somebody pointed this out to me yesterday

918
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: and I thought, now that's a right there, that's an

919
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: excellent point, an excellent point. Yesterday we were talking about

920
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: movies that you've not seen, right, Yep, I don't know

921
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: if I'm catching you in a lie here. Okay, but

922
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: when I just said nine, the number nine, and you

923
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: and you, what did you say?

924
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 3: I did the thing that you don't really do when

925
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 3: you hear when you say nine nine nine times.

926
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know what that's in reference to. I

927
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 4: just copy you sometimes.

928
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: So now hold on, I'm gonna call bluff here. Let

929
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: me ask you this. Have you ever heard this phrase? Okay, okay, yesterday,

930
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: for those that are unfamiliar, I was mentioning some movies

931
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: of yesteryear, and Eddie was saying that he had never

932
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: seen any of them. And I wondered if there was

933
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: legitimacy to that, or if, in fact, Eddie was simply

934
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: being intentionally obstinate. So let me ask us, have you

935
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: ever heard this phrase? Okay, okay, hey about a swing bata?

936
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 4: Well, yes, I've heard it at every Little league park

937
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 4: in America?

938
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,439
Speaker 1: But have you ever heard it in this in these

939
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: in this way? Hey? Better bet about about swing bada?

940
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 3: He did it?

941
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: He did hit it, bada?

942
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard that?

943
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 6: No?

944
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 3: Okay, what about this? They think he's a righteous dude

945
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 3: only from Jmv's rejoiners. Oh really? Yeah? Okay, what about

946
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 3: this boom boom ooh, mau mau.

947
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 9: Oo.

948
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 3: You never heard that? Is that a song? It is?

949
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: I'm not doing a very good version of it, but yes, that.

950
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 3: Is a song. I've heard the song. I don't know

951
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 3: where it's from.

952
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: So you have not seen Ferris Buehler's Day Off?

953
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 4: No, okay, So I haven't seen the Box Club, haven't

954
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 4: seen sixth Sense, sixteen candles, pretty in.

955
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: Pink, pretty in pink, understandable in that Shaw Shank redemption.

956
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 3: I haven't seen any of them.

957
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: Did you happen to see the video that was released

958
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: earlier today? He eats the zubats, answering questions about his

959
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: favorite things.

960
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, did you see? It was quick rivia or like

961
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,959
Speaker 4: rapid ryer questions? I think it was called you happened

962
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 4: to have those? Before we get to Lebron James talking

963
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 4: about a Pacer.

964
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:56,959
Speaker 3: I don't have them at the reading.

965
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: Well, now let me send you Let me send you

966
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 1: this because this is very very key. Okay, I think

967
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: this is I find this to be a fascinating, fascinating

968
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: little exercise, if you will. Okay, So it was on

969
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: the you could look it up. It was on the

970
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: Pacers ex post Twitter account. Okay, he was, he was, Okay.

971
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: This is see if there are two answers that jump

972
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: out of you here, this is getting to know your

973
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: favorite center of the pacers, favorite.

974
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 15: Color brown, favorite animal, dog, favorite food pasta, favorite dessert

975
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 15: or massoup, favorite TV show, breaking bet, favorite movie, shout

976
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 15: shigned for dumb set, favorite musician, uhs.

977
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, anyone stop right there, right there. This guy

978
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: is the spirit animal of Quarrying Company shaw Sancred shaking

979
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: bad hell yeah, taking Bat's good, It's good.

980
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 3: That's my cup of team right there.

981
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,919
Speaker 1: But Guns and Roses and listen, I've always said Guns

982
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: and Roses is the greatest band ever assembled.

983
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 3: Not in the Beatles.

984
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: Oasis is right there with them, But I love Guns

985
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: and Roses, Guns and Roses. We just gave away the

986
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: tickets to day Matthews. I've been, as you know, I've

987
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: seen guns n' Roses. What's what would you guess is

988
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: the number of times that I've seen Guns and Roses.

989
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: You're placing the over under at what.

990
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 3: Six and a half.

991
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be over I've seen them

992
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: in Indy one to three times in Indye, Okay, Toronto, once, Denver, once,

993
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: Chicago once Cincinnati once, Las Vegas once. I think that's it.

994
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 1: So three, four, five, six, seven, eight, so eight times.

995
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: But for a guy that grew up is he Croatian

996
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: zubats I believe that's correct, right, For a guy that

997
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: grew up overseas, yes, and yet he's seen Shawshank before you.

998
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm just saying I've never been a big movie guy.

999
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 3: Ever, it's a great movie.

1000
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: So we'll have a quadruple header here of you know,

1001
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: it's kind of like back in the day when it

1002
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: was a raty day and you were a kid in

1003
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: middle school and you.

1004
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 4: Go fifty to fifty on the people that reach out

1005
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 4: to me and like, yeah, you're not missing a ton.

1006
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,479
Speaker 4: I think it's an overrated movie. And I've got people

1007
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 4: that like, have you not seen this? It's a great movie. No, no, no, no, no, yep, no,

1008
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 4: hold on.

1009
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: I don't dispute that there are people out there that

1010
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 1: think that Shawshank perhaps is overrated, because there are certain things,

1011
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: in your defense, that it gets to a point where

1012
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: you hear so much about it that it's difficult to

1013
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: live up to the hype. Blazing Saddles is the same

1014
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: for me, Eddie in your defense. I had never seen

1015
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: Blazing Saddles. I had heard every line of Blazing Saddles

1016
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: in cultural reference one hundred and fifty times, and people

1017
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: just go on and on about what a brilliantly hilarious

1018
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: movie Blazing Saddles is. So by the time I sat

1019
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: down to watch it, I basically had already created every

1020
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: scene in my mind because I'd heard about it, and

1021
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is the lamest thing ever. And I

1022
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: thought Blazing Saddles was the most overrated, dumbest lame movie ever.

1023
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: But I also was not seeing it with the advantage

1024
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: of like the almost uncomfortable shock value that would have

1025
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,240
Speaker 1: made it funny the first go round if you didn't

1026
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,959
Speaker 1: know what you were getting into. The Godfather is one

1027
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: that when I saw The Godfather, I had not seen

1028
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: it until like eight years ago.

1029
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 3: I was on a flight.

1030
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: And I did. I'm not going to say I didn't

1031
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: enjoy it, but I found it kind of slow and

1032
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 1: just like that's all I'd heard about my entire life.

1033
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: So I get that with that build up, people could say, then, well, gosh,

1034
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: it's overraty because you've heard about it all the time.

1035
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: But I'm going to guess that if you come over

1036
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: like middle school style, and you buy ticket for one

1037
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: movie and then you just hop from theater to theater

1038
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: until finally they discover it and they say, okay, kids,

1039
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: fun's over. If you came over and we did a

1040
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: marathon of sixteen candles Ferris Peel's day off in Shawshank,

1041
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: it'd be a little much to be around each other

1042
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: for that length of time. But I'm getting guessed by Shawshank.

1043
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,479
Speaker 1: You would say, Okay, that was really really good, really

1044
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: really good. Now Tyrese Halliburton probably has time to watch

1045
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: these movies because, as we know, he's been out. And

1046
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: sometimes in the tough moments is when you really learn

1047
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: the reality of who someone is. Sometimes when the going

1048
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: gets tough is when people can show you the real colors.

1049
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 1: Mick Cronin, I mentioned off the top of the show,

1050
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: very impressive when last night for Michigan over Purdue, and

1051
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 1: I confess to the fact that I was wrong about

1052
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: Michigan's outside shooting. And the other thing I confessed about

1053
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: was Mick Cronan I thought was a legitimate candidate at Indiana,

1054
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: and I thought would have been a good fit, and

1055
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: I was wrong, and people at Indiana told me that

1056
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: there was they had some caution or some concern hesitation

1057
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: because of just some of his demeanor, and I thought

1058
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 1: that was overrated. I thought that that probably wasn't the case.

1059
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 1: And then now as the pressure cooker of the UCLA

1060
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: job and the expectation that goes with being at a

1061
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: once proud program is continuing to show itself, I think

1062
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: mc coronin is kind of showing his colors as frankly,

1063
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: you know a guy that's only happy when he's miserable, right,

1064
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: Tyrese Halliburton when he was acquired by the Pacers, And

1065
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:52,760
Speaker 1: you've heard me mention this before, but I'll never forget

1066
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: talking to an executive with the organization about Halliburt. And

1067
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: it was right when it was at the press conference

1068
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 1: when it was announced that Haliburton had gotten a max deal.

1069
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: And you always have concern always in any walk of life,

1070
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: no matter what am I be, there are always areas

1071
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 1: of concern of how a player or person reacts once

1072
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: everything then is finally there. You know, I talked the

1073
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: other day, I did a podcast with a guy and

1074
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: he was asking me about back when I was working

1075
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: at the cigar store and I'd work every day from

1076
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 1: ten to five at Hardwick's Pipe Man Tobacco. Great job.

1077
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: Loved every minute of it. And then I would go

1078
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: in at night into Channel six and just cut tape

1079
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: and mix coffee and do whatever tear scripts for edsworns

1080
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: and whatever needed to be done. And I loved it.

1081
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: I loved the buzz and the activity and the ramp

1082
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: up of when the news was about to go on

1083
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: and all this. It was like a beehive in there,

1084
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: and I loved being a part of it. And I

1085
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: had vision of where I wanted to be. I didn't

1086
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: know any idea how to get there on the roadmap.

1087
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 3: But I.

1088
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 1: Didn't make any money, but a lot of my friends

1089
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: were already starting and launching very successful careers and I

1090
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: was basically, you know, eating ramen noodles. And it wasn't

1091
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: necessarily it was frustrating in the moment, but I look

1092
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: back on it now and I think to myself, that

1093
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: was the most fun I've ever had, because the chase

1094
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: was the fun. The chase was the fun, and so

1095
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: now I have to come up with different ways to

1096
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: invigorate myself of chase. And you never know with professional athletes,

1097
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: sometimes whether it's all about the chase for them, and

1098
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: then once they get the huge contract, some guys, they're good. Okay,

1099
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: I got it. I got to this point. I'm good.

1100
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: And I was asking someone within the PACER's office about

1101
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: whether or not there was concern of that with Tyre's Halliburton,

1102
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: as there is with any player. And we certainly have

1103
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: seen in this market players that you invested emotionally and

1104
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: financially into a player, hoping that it would go one way,

1105
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: and then finding out that in fact they were another.

1106
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: And even if you did, even if you weren't the

1107
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: one that was that had signed that big contract, you

1108
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: you put resources in to get that player. Victor Oladipo

1109
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 1: comes to mind, Paul George comes to mind, and Paul

1110
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: George wasn't one that had gotten the big deal, but

1111
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: or the big, big, big deal, and he said several cents,

1112
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 1: but you just never knew. And so there was always

1113
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: a PTSD about Tyre's Halliburton or about the for the Pacers.

1114
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: I should say with me, not about Halliburton personally, but hey,

1115
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: I've been down this road before, and how do I

1116
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: know this guy is to want to stay here and

1117
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: find marriage with the city of Indianapolis and the fan

1118
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 1: base of the Pacers, and then the injury happened, And

1119
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: the true measure of somebody oftentimes is the way that

1120
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: they respond to adversity, and the colors that they show

1121
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: in the downtime is a real indicator sometimes of what

1122
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: the true colors are. And Halliburton's injury will be the

1123
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: biggest what if probably in this city's history until the

1124
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: Pacers win a title, and even then it will still

1125
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: be a big what if. The Colts want a title.

1126
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: They won a Super Bowl, but it does not erase

1127
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: the fact that people still talk about the what if

1128
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,959
Speaker 1: if Nick Harper had not been stabbed in the thigh

1129
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: just prior to trying to run away from Ben Roethlisberger

1130
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: and what would have happened and Halliburton's injury. When I

1131
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: watched the Starting five on Netflix and I saw the

1132
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: behind the scenes of him in the locker room, and

1133
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: it took me right back to that moment, and I

1134
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: can't imagine being him. But there's so many reasons to

1135
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: believe that this guy and understand and justify if this

1136
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: guy at that point would have just regressed emotionally, and

1137
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: we don't know what he's going to be like as

1138
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: a player. We haven't seen him on the floor yet.

1139
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: We don't know. We won't know until probably six months

1140
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: after he's playing. But I'm at and I'm lucky enough

1141
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: and grateful enough to be at virtually every Pacer game,

1142
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: and I'm fortunate in that regard. But I watch Haliburton

1143
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: a lot, and I watch him during the timeouts, and

1144
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: I watch him in the hallway when kids are lined up,

1145
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: and the energy and the enthusiasm and the smile and

1146
00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: the optimism has never waned. And it would be totally

1147
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: understandable and justifiable and excused if he began to sulk

1148
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: and he began to just kind of wallow away and

1149
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: hide behind the despair and the cloud and the disappointment

1150
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: of what happened or didn't happen in that game seven.

1151
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: That was his moment, that was his game, That was

1152
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: his day. That was the day that Tyrese Haliburton was

1153
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: going to go out and he was going to become

1154
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: an instant, regardless of what happened moving forward, beloved legend

1155
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: for eternity in this town. And he was on his

1156
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: way to that and they were going to win that game,

1157
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: and it was going to be a Halliburton game, but

1158
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: the basketball gods intervened or basketball devils, depending on which

1159
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: way you look at it. And yet when I asked

1160
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: about that question, what the executive said to me was,

1161
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: this guy's different. He lifts everyone in the room when

1162
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: he walks in, and he has an enthusiasm about him

1163
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: that is contagious and it makes everyone better. And I thought,

1164
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: that's some really fancy lip gloss lip service that I'm

1165
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,919
Speaker 1: being given. I didn't know how to Burton. I still

1166
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: don't know him as a person per se, but I

1167
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: can see it from afar and in that moment, I thought, Okay,

1168
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: they can tell me that. But he's a young guy.

1169
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: He just got a big contract. Life's good for him.

1170
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: Everything's going great. He's got a second lease on life

1171
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: now in Indiana after getting over the disappointment of being

1172
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: traded away from Sacramento. And I've thought about all of

1173
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: those things and thought, it's easy to say that about

1174
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: anybody in this moment, but it has absolutely been a

1175
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: parent in every thing that I've been fortunate enough to

1176
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: observe and hear about from other people. In the dark moments,

1177
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: the dark moments, he's been the light, and that's why

1178
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: he's worth the money. But that's not to say that

1179
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: you still have to see what happens when he's going

1180
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: to be back on the floor. And he's had an

1181
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: opportunity now for an entire season to watch, to watch

1182
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: and observe. He did it during the Olympics for a

1183
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: great extent. He watched, but he was around and surrounded

1184
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: by great players, players better than he has been a

1185
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: long time, probably since he's been on the floor and

1186
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 1: not been the best player on his team or the

1187
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: top two or three. And Siakam is a wonderful player,

1188
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: and I love Niesmith and I love topping on all

1189
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: of them, but he is the straw mixing the drink.

1190
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 1: Make no bone about it. But Lebron James recently did

1191
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: a podcast, Mind the Game pod and was talking about

1192
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: Tyrese Haliburn and say what you want about Lebron James.

1193
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: I know he's not the most popular and beloved figure.

1194
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: I know he's a polarizing guy. I know at this

1195
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: point there is certainly a Lebron fatigue. I know that

1196
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: we get tired of here in the constant discussions and

1197
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,439
Speaker 1: debate and analysis of Lebron versus MJ and et cetera,

1198
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: et cetera. I get all that, I get it, and

1199
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: I get in this town. One of the things that's

1200
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: been frustrating about being a Pacer fan since the beginning

1201
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: of time is their two best eras of team. The

1202
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: first one just happened to coincide with the peak Jordan years,

1203
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: and the other happened to coincide with the peak Lebron

1204
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: Miami years. And then now, of course the opportunity in

1205
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: the injury. But Lebron was asked asked about Tyrese Halliburton

1206
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: and how he would characterize the personality, the traits and

1207
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: the things that Tyree's Halliburton, maybe even an injury can

1208
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: become even more so than he was before.

1209
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 3: Student of the game.

1210
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 13: Yeah, I think a lot of people, a lot of

1211
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 13: our viewers that watch mine the game and even people

1212
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 13: that maybe don't watch it at now. You know, when

1213
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 13: fans of Tyree's they got an out on twity just

1214
01:01:55,760 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 13: to know like not only why you know, house special

1215
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 13: he is and what he does on the floor and

1216
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 13: how it translated because of this, you know, and his love,

1217
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 13: like his love for the game is you can hear

1218
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 13: it in his voice. You could hear it in the message.

1219
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 13: It was, you know, he's a great kids. I spent

1220
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 13: my first time spending an extended period of time with

1221
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 13: him during the Olympics Olympic trip and definitely one of

1222
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 13: my favorite teammates coming out of that whole experience. Is

1223
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 13: a unbelievable kid man, and I love everything that's coming

1224
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 13: his ways.

1225
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 6: He's special.

1226
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: Okay, that was Steve Nash she was talking with, by

1227
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: the way, But I think that says a lot right there,

1228
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: and more so the reason that is significant players pay attention.

1229
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: Young players in particular pay attention. They listen and they

1230
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: look up to Lebron James. Yeah, there's probably some fatigue factor,

1231
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 1: and yes, there are probably plenty that when it comes

1232
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: to Lebron or like Jordan's better, or STEP's better, or

1233
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant's better or whatever, which is all asinine. It

1234
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: is my opinion that Lebron James is the most versatilely

1235
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 1: skilled player in the history of basketball. I think you

1236
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 1: could say Jordan's the best competitor to play the game.

1237
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 1: I think Mike, I personally think Lebron James. I did

1238
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: not see Wilt Chamberlain and Wilt Chamberlain would be in

1239
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: this category. But in terms of being elite in every

1240
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: way that you need to be elite, Lebron brings as

1241
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 1: white and arsenal as anybody in basketball. But that's irrelevant

1242
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: to this point other than to say this players right

1243
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 1: now that are young players in the NBA, and there

1244
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: are plenty of them that you don't the number of

1245
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: games that I go to and I look at the

1246
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: program and I'm looking at the other the opponent and

1247
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: some guy averaging seventeen a game that's six seven with

1248
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: a seven to two wingspan, and I'm like, man, I

1249
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: know I've heard that name. Oh that's right, that's a

1250
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 1: one and done out of Duke from two years ago.

1251
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, that he played a year at Kentucky

1252
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 1: four years ago. Oh that yeah, I do remember now.

1253
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: I saw him play in the Sweet sixteen when Kansas

1254
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: was upset by Arkansas, but you know, he was just

1255
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: coming into his own and you the number of young

1256
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 1: players like that. And that's not to say that the Pacers,

1257
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: who have a really good roster, and they have a

1258
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 1: general manager and an executive in a president of basketball operations,

1259
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: that both have put together a really good roster of

1260
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: veterans and young players alike, and so they probably are

1261
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: not in need in terms of going out and scouring

1262
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 1: through free agency and trying to find pieces, because they've

1263
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 1: got a pretty good cores already. But in the event

1264
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,439
Speaker 1: that Indiana, which was always thought to be a non

1265
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 1: destination city for NBA players, now you look at it

1266
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: and you say, Okay, the Pacers might have something here

1267
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: because they have a player that the most and say

1268
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 1: what you want, Fans can say what they want about Lebron.

1269
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: The reality is the young players in the league look

1270
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: up to Lebron more so than probably any other player

1271
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 1: currently in the league. Steph Curry, maybe durant I think

1272
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 1: they love his skill set, but Lebron has an it factor.

1273
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 1: And when young players hear Lebron say things like one

1274
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: of my favorite teammates a student of the game, what

1275
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: that says is one of the all time best that

1276
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: can play every single position, even he knows that positions

1277
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: that he can play on the floor were made better

1278
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: by Tyres Halibert. And players are going to hear that.

1279
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: And does that mean that you print that and hang

1280
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 1: it on a banner. No, of course not. And is

1281
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: it coming from a player that people here admire, love

1282
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: and you know, want to go cheer four all the

1283
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: time and Lebron James, No, of course not, but it

1284
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: is someone that is widely widely obviously respected, widely respected.

1285
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 3: You just missed a hell of a hockey game.

1286
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 1: The United States is playing, right, not yet.

1287
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 4: Canada and Czechia just went to overtime in Canada won.

1288
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 4: They were down, Yeah, they were down three to a

1289
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 4: little past halfway point in the third period and got

1290
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:32,919
Speaker 4: a goal to tie it and then Mitch Marnina winner.

1291
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 1: Well where do things stand in terms of the Olympic

1292
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 1: hockey right now? Well, in what regard, by the way, Czechia,

1293
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 1: that's Czech Republic, right, What is there a difference between

1294
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: Czechia and I know this much. I know that the

1295
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: former Czechoslovakia was divided into Czech Republic and Slovakia, the

1296
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 1: capital of Slovakia being brought to Slava, and the Czech

1297
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 1: Republic now in the Olympics is going by Czechia. Now

1298
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 1: does that mean that people there call it check you

1299
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 1: and we call it Czech Republic?

1300
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 3: Are they the same thing? It's kind of like how

1301
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 3: you call me Eddie versus Edward.

1302
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 1: Okay, so check you is the nickname like the boys

1303
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Speaker 1: call him check youa but other people say check was publish.

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Speaker 4: Check Ya is the short informal name, while Czech Republic

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Speaker 4: is the formal official name.

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Speaker 1: So Czech Republic at a dinner gets introduced to Czech

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Speaker 1: Republican says call me check ye.

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Speaker 4: Yes, okay, fair enough. But what do you want to

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Speaker 4: know about hockey in the Olympics?

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Speaker 1: When do the United States plays? When that's tonight, right.

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Speaker 3: They play a three ten against Sweden? Or this afternoon?

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Speaker 1: Okay Sweden? Yes, okay? And that that is in my

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Speaker 1: apologies for asking this. I was watching more of the

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Speaker 1: the cross country skiing last night where people were collapsing

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Speaker 1: when they go across the finish line. The United States,

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Speaker 1: Where do things stand in hockey right now? What round

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01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 1: are they in?

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Speaker 14: Uh?

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Speaker 3: They are in the not the quarterfinal, or they're in

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Speaker 3: the quarterfinals to go to the semi finals.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So if the United States, excuse me, beats Sweden, yep,

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Speaker 1: Canada is still alive, right yep? Would the United States

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Speaker 1: play Canada or would that be on the other bracket?

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Speaker 3: I think I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I'd have to go back and look at the bracket

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Speaker 4: since in the Olympics they received based off of you know,

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Speaker 4: one two whatever, Canada one, United States too, but uh

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Speaker 4: could be Switzerland or it could be uh.

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Speaker 1: Slovakia, Switzerland, if you could.

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Speaker 4: Please, it could be Slovakia, Finland or Switzerland. Okay, right now,

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Speaker 4: Switzerland had two nothing in the second period against Finland.

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Speaker 1: Uh. Switzerland, by the way, in hockey, this much I

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01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 1: know constantly lighting up in the neutral zone. I do

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Speaker 1: know that that's the only thing I know about about

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Speaker 1: their hockey. How about this, the nineteen eighty Olympic hockey team,

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Speaker 1: the miracle on ice? Do you believe in miracles?

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01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 10: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Who did they beat for the gold medal?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'll let you know exactly that answer, and we will

1341
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 1: talk a little hockey and Olympic level runner continuing to

1342
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 1: do world records with a guy that covers all of it.

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Speaker 3: Next, so here's what we've learned. Okay.

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01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 1: Czechoslovakia is now divided into Slovakia and the Czech Republic,

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01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 1: which is informally known as Chechia and originally was Bohemia.

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01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:24,640
Speaker 1: So all of this, I guess is some sort of

1347
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 1: a Bohemian rhapsody that we've learned all this right, and

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Speaker 1: you're going to be driving around in a grimpany.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 3: We can leave, Jake. We don't need to stay until

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01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 3: three o'clock.

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Speaker 1: Well, I can also edumicate you by telling you this, Okay,

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Speaker 1: the United States in nineteen eighty when they won the

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Speaker 1: Olympic gold in hockey, the Miracle on ice, and that's

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01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 1: one of those things that you know. I was at

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01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 1: Lake Placid. It was awesome to be there and to

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01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: go into that arena, and it's still an active arena

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01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 1: for youth hockey and other such things, but it really

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01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 1: is beautiful and it was a powerful moment to be there.

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01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 1: And and I certainly knew of this, and I was

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01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:06,600
Speaker 1: a little kid when it happened. But they then and

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01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 1: this is I think even more impressive than that team

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01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:17,719
Speaker 1: defeating the Russians, a group of college amateur athletes coming

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01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 1: together to win the gold over that Russian team. And

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01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 1: David Wood's going to join us, who covers a lot

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Speaker 1: of hockey here in just a second, and he can

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01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:31,679
Speaker 1: elaborate on this. There's a fabulous epiphany that took place

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01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 1: with that game where the United States in their complete

1370
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 1: joy and their eruption of disbelief and joy and throwing

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01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:42,680
Speaker 1: hockey sticks into the crowd and hugging one another in

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01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 1: tears of disbelief of what just happened. And there's a

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01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 1: great I think it's one of the great moments in

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01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 1: Olympic history. The camera pans over and you see all

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01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 1: of the Russian hockey players, the high powered, high paid,

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01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 1: long standing, dominant program, and they're all standing, resting their

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01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 1: chins on their sticks and staring at it. And there

1378
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,679
Speaker 1: was a great quote from one of the Russian players

1379
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 1: that said, we just had to stop and observe it

1380
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 1: because we'd forgotten what that was. And it's kind of

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01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 1: what I was talking about a minute ago in terms

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01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 1: of professionally speaking, when sometimes it's important to go back

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01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:29,719
Speaker 1: and remember the feel of the chase and to remember

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01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 1: where you were and how when you were in that moment.

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01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 1: Because all of those Russian players were looking at the

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01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 1: Americans celebrating and they were seeing an unbridled joy that

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01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 1: they had forgotten about themselves, but they all at one

1388
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 1: point knew. And I think that's kind of the spirit

1389
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: of the Olympics to a great extent. But what's impressive

1390
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 1: about the Americans was not just in winning that game,

1391
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: but also the fact that they had to turn around

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01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: and play another game to win the gold. A lot

1393
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 1: of people think that was a gold medal game.

1394
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:57,600
Speaker 3: It was not.

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01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 1: Finland was next and they defeated Finland and that's where

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Speaker 1: they became the gold medal winning team in the nineteen

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01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 1: eighty Olympics. A guy that I know loves the spirit

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01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 1: of the Olympics summer, probably more so than winter, but

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01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: certainly has his finger on the pulse in all of

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01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 1: it is our friend David Woods, independent writer of course,

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01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 1: longtime member of the Indianapolis Star. And David, I know

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01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 1: that right now we're in the spirit and the middle

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01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 1: of the calendar of the Winter Olympics. But from the

1404
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 1: summer standpoint, one of the guys that is as famous

1405
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 1: as any now out of Indianapolis from the Summer Olympics,

1406
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 1: and it's not the Olympic Games that are taking place,

1407
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 1: but Cole Hawker continues to put his footprint and his

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01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 1: thumbprint on the running world and that includes recently a

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01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 1: world record. And you were there in attendance, correct.

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01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:46,719
Speaker 9: Yeah, I was an American record.

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01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 14: I was at Winston Salem, North Carolina, Saturday, and Cole

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01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 14: ran the second fastest indoor mile of all time.

1413
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 9: And we know he's good in tactical races. He hasn't

1414
01:12:57,720 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 9: been such a.

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01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 14: Big time trialer. It was.

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01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 9: It was very impressive, and I really think he is.

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01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 14: Even though it's a it's a niche sport in our

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01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 14: in our American sports landscape, I think Hawker's probably getting

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01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 14: very close there to Noah Lyles is the most prominent

1420
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 14: male American track and field athlete just in terms of name,

1421
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Speaker 14: recognition and fandom.

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01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: So I'm sorry. It was an American record, not world record,

1423
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 1: but the American record in the mile. Now, pardon my

1424
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 1: ignorance in asking this, David, but I know that he's

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01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:35,679
Speaker 1: obviously a distance runner as well. For for a one mile,

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01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 1: I guess you'd say sprint race, as dumb as that sounds.

1427
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:42,600
Speaker 1: But was this out of the realm or niche of

1428
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:45,560
Speaker 1: his forte or is this one of the events that

1429
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 1: has always been the strong suit for him?

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Speaker 14: No, he's you know, he won he won the he

1431
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 14: won the gold medal at the Paris Olympics, and the

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Speaker 14: fifteen hundred meters you know, which we call the metric mile,

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01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,480
Speaker 14: so you know, this was this was definitely in his wheelhouse,

1434
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,720
Speaker 14: but what the that's his immersions as a thread at

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01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 14: a longer distance is more is more recent. You know,

1436
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:11,679
Speaker 14: he won the World World Championship in the five thousand

1437
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 14: meters in Tokyo last September after being disqualified in the

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01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 14: semi final to fifteen hundred and actually, if he hadn't

1439
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 14: been disqualified, I think there's a darn good chance he

1440
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 14: would have won gold medals in both. But the fact

1441
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 14: that he could, you know, collect himself and refocus and

1442
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 14: win a gold medal and kind of his secondary event

1443
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 14: was very impressive. And only only four men in the

1444
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 14: history of this very old sport have won global golds

1445
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 14: at fifteen hundred and five thousand meters. So we're talking,

1446
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 14: you know, we're talking legends that Cole Hawker is chasing

1447
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 14: right now.

1448
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 1: Cole Hawker is twenty four years old, David, and you've

1449
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 1: covered this for a long time. You've covered Summer Olympics

1450
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 1: and running in general, I mean a number of different sports.

1451
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 1: But at twenty four one would assume that that means

1452
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 1: that right now he is absolutely in the peak of

1453
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 1: his prime from a running standpoint, and in particular a

1454
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 1: distance running standpoint, what is the window? What is because

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01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 1: you always look at that, you know, Michelle Malone is

1456
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 1: one that I always think about, right in terms of

1457
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 1: her running and her peak, and of course obviously in

1458
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 1: her case she also became a mother, which changed things

1459
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,640
Speaker 1: a little bit. But you know, you don't know how

1460
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,640
Speaker 1: it's going to line up with the four year intervals

1461
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 1: of the Olympics. So for Cole Hawker, realistically speaking, he

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01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:38,600
Speaker 1: should be in this prime until what age based on precedent, I.

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01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 14: Would say into his late twenties. In fact, I was

1464
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 14: looking up it was someone put an interesting analysis the

1465
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 14: last five world records at fifteen hundred meters I think

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Speaker 14: a mile and five thousand meters, no one, none of

1467
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:56,840
Speaker 14: them was older than twenty five. But I looked up

1468
01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 14: on the as far as Olympic gold medalist in the

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Speaker 14: fifteen hundred, there have been several that had been older

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Speaker 14: than that, and Cole be twenty seven at the LA Olympics,

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01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 14: and that that would be right in his wheelhouse. And

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Speaker 14: then maybe another thing that's probably interesting to note. Unlike

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01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:16,520
Speaker 14: Jakupincabritson of Norway, who was a phenom at age seventeen

1474
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 14: you know, Cole hasn't been at the elite level as

1475
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 14: early as Incabritson was, so I would have I would

1476
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 14: have every expectation of you know, of Hawker barring injury

1477
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 14: would be on the world scene certainly for you know,

1478
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:32,639
Speaker 14: another five or six years.

1479
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Speaker 1: When David for runners in particular, David Woods is my guest, who,

1480
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 1: by the way, is a long time Olympic and track

1481
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Speaker 1: and field runner, amongst other things, also the author of

1482
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Speaker 1: Inspiring Women of Indiana Sports. They Changed the Games We love.

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01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,679
Speaker 1: That book is available at pediment dot com. That's Pediment

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Speaker 1: Publishing p d I m NT Pediment dot com. David,

1485
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 1: when when we'll just use cold Hawker as an example here, Okay,

1486
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 1: runners and you're covering them and the progression for a runner,

1487
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 1: I would imagine that you know, they know the technique

1488
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 1: that they need to do, they know the physical conditioning

1489
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 1: that goes into it, the nutrition and et cetera. How

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01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:18,559
Speaker 1: much of individual running and the evolution of a runner,

1491
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:21,679
Speaker 1: how much of that is mental and having the mental

1492
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 1: strength to not only overcome fatigue but also just the

1493
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 1: overall aspect of the competition around you and the individualized

1494
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,799
Speaker 1: nature of it. How much of it is the mental

1495
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:36,040
Speaker 1: strength that a runner needs to develop.

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01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:37,680
Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 14: I think there's actually two components to that mental to

1498
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 14: that mental aspect, you know, one is simply, you know, tactical,

1499
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 14: how to distribute your energy most efficiently over the course

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Speaker 14: of a race. And Hawker has been a very good tactician. Now,

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01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 14: it was very unusual. He was kind of in Paris

1502
01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:59,839
Speaker 14: fifteen hundred. He was kind of blocked on the inside

1503
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 14: by Inger Bridson, but you never see this. He regathered

1504
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:06,720
Speaker 14: and he gathered himself and kicked again and got by

1505
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:09,600
Speaker 14: Anger Bridgson on the inside. Now that's highly unusual. And

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01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 14: the other one is, you know, is the you know,

1507
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:17,640
Speaker 14: the mental strength and the confidence. I mean I was

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Speaker 14: I was surprised, even as long ago as twenty twenty

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01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 14: three when he was you know, he was back in

1510
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 14: the pack, but he was coming back from injury.

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Speaker 9: He always believed.

1512
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 14: He would or could win an Olympic gold medal, even

1513
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 14: though it was a year off and there was really

1514
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 14: not much indication that he could. But you know, I've

1515
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 14: told people, I think he talked himself into it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it would seem that that's a big

1517
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 1: part of it, right, It's just the belief, right, the

1518
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 1: belief I think somebody you lose belief you've lost, right, Yeah, I.

1519
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 14: Mean, and he believed he could and he was against

1520
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 14: a co favorites, Josh Kerr and Inger Britsin. His collective

1521
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 14: record against those two guys was.

1522
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:01,919
Speaker 9: Oh and fourteen.

1523
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 1: David, you covered the you have covered the Olympics a

1524
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 1: number of games. Right, we're right in the middle of

1525
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 1: it from the winter standpoint. I wanted to ask you

1526
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 1: this kind of in conclusion because one of the things

1527
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:18,599
Speaker 1: I love about the Olympics most of the sports, especially

1528
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:20,640
Speaker 1: in the winter side. David, Admittedly, I don't know a

1529
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:22,720
Speaker 1: lot about I mean, it would be naive of me

1530
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 1: to sit here and pretend that I'm an expert in

1531
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:27,679
Speaker 1: biathlon or who's expected to be good in the luge.

1532
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 1: Every time that I turn on lately it's been the

1533
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:32,600
Speaker 1: Bob sled. And I know Romania is like having a

1534
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:36,680
Speaker 1: Cinderella story, but and I love those stories, right, And

1535
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 1: the one thing I love about the Olympic Games is

1536
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 1: the opening ceremonies, when you know all of the nations

1537
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:45,640
Speaker 1: arrive and you see these young people that are just

1538
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:48,599
Speaker 1: so proud to represent their country. Sometimes they're the first

1539
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 1: representative of a country, whatever it may be. And the

1540
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 1: times that you've covered the Olympics, is there a particular

1541
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 1: story or moment that jumps out at you that you

1542
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 1: were able to witness, not necess necessarily even an athletic

1543
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 1: feet or accomplishment, but a moment or an epiphany that

1544
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 1: you had in witnessing it up close and personal where

1545
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 1: you said to yourself, that's what makes the Olympics what

1546
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 1: they are.

1547
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 9: Now interesting.

1548
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 14: You mentioned that I think I know what you're talking about,

1549
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 14: and I sensed this really not during a competition, but

1550
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:24,640
Speaker 14: when I was at the Sydney Olympics in Australia, just

1551
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 14: at a break in the action and just you know,

1552
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 14: people from all countries gathering, was getting ready for lunch hour,

1553
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 14: and for some reason I had this wave come over

1554
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:37,560
Speaker 14: me and I sat down and I thought, you know,

1555
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 14: this must be a little bit of a glimpse of

1556
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 14: what heaven is like, you know, with everybody, with everybody

1557
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:47,600
Speaker 14: you know, in a good mood and getting along and

1558
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 14: not each other's throat. So I don't know if I

1559
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 14: had such a moment in a competition or something like that,

1560
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 14: but I kind of did, just in one of those

1561
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 14: quiet moments when I was in Sydney.

1562
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 1: But you know, David, that's and that's the point is

1563
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 1: the moment came not in competition, but rather in camaraderie.

1564
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 1: And that's kind of the point of the Olympics, right, I.

1565
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 14: Think it is. I mean, I'm I think it's I

1566
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 14: think it's very important that we have a worldwide gathering

1567
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:19,560
Speaker 14: of people in peacetime.

1568
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, you know, it's it's just to me,

1569
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 1: the spirit of the whole thing is you get all

1570
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 1: of these people together and in the spirit of competition

1571
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:33,560
Speaker 1: on the floor or the ice or the rink or

1572
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 1: whatever it may be, all of that goes by the

1573
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:39,720
Speaker 1: wayside of all the other crap becomes irrelevant in those

1574
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:43,160
Speaker 1: moments and it's just about the pursuit of, you know,

1575
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 1: excellence with each other. And I think oftentimes the athletes

1576
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 1: can respect and feel that from the others. It's amazing

1577
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:53,640
Speaker 1: to me to watch the number of like a snowboarder

1578
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 1: or somebody that puts together a good score, has a

1579
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 1: good run and comes over and the person that they

1580
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:02,640
Speaker 1: just bumped up the podium is seemingly as happy for

1581
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 1: them as they are, you know what I mean. I

1582
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 1: mean That's the thing. I think elite level athletes game

1583
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 1: knows game and they know the dedication that goes into

1584
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 1: all of it. Cole Hawker on the summer side of

1585
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:16,759
Speaker 1: things from an Olympic standpoint, a new American record Winter

1586
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 1: Olympics in full boar again the book talking about Olympians

1587
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 1: and other athletes, females from Indiana inspiring women of Indiana sports.

1588
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:28,799
Speaker 1: They change the game we love. Available from Pediment Publishing

1589
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 1: and David Woods. The author David A. Pleasure as always

1590
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 1: man enjoyed the continuation of the games.

1591
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 14: Hey, thanks, Jake, game knows game.

1592
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:36,640
Speaker 3: You're right.

1593
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:39,679
Speaker 1: That's right, David Woods and Eddie. That is not true

1594
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 1: of anybody that I ain't got no game, right. So

1595
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:47,759
Speaker 1: I can't speak for that with other guys or other athletes,

1596
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 1: but you can tell when athletes know it about one another.

1597
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 5: You know.

1598
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 1: Sometimes I read about, I hear about, or I see

1599
01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 1: something that catches my eye in the world of sport,

1600
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 1: and I say, I'll bet there's more to this story.

1601
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 1: And one of those people that falls into exactly that

1602
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 1: category of me looking at it and saying I want

1603
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 1: to know more is going to join us in fifteen.

1604
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 1: I'm not going to lie to you, Eddie. When I

1605
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:21,919
Speaker 1: was in college, and this leads to a Jake query lifetip.

1606
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 1: But when I was in college, this is one of

1607
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 1: those days. What are the odds right now? If you

1608
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 1: had a two o'clock psychology class, you were making it

1609
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 1: to class on a day like today. I hate to

1610
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 1: say it, I'm not encouraging that of young people. And

1611
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 1: I realize now everybody does everything, probably online anyway, But

1612
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:40,799
Speaker 1: when the weather's like this, man, those of you working,

1613
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 1: so long as you're staying near your radio, I'm giving

1614
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:46,559
Speaker 1: you permission. Just go ahead and get out, get out

1615
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 1: and about enjoy it and soak it in. I'll be

1616
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 1: on the road not too long from right now, once

1617
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,639
Speaker 1: the show's over with. I Am headed to ta Hate tonight,

1618
01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:00,600
Speaker 1: Indiana State and Northern Iowa Homean Center. Head over and

1619
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 1: check out the trees. I've got my shirt on, really,

1620
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 1: my Indiana State shirt.

1621
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:06,520
Speaker 3: Yep, what kind of trees are you checking out? Sycamores?

1622
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 1: Just sycamores, checking out the trees. That bet a rough

1623
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:17,080
Speaker 1: year for Indiana State. But my tour of the Indiana

1624
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: teams continues, and tonight it is Indiana State.

1625
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:21,720
Speaker 3: My my buddy David is at IU grad. Is gonna

1626
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:22,160
Speaker 3: meet me over there.

1627
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:24,439
Speaker 4: You're gonna see Brendan King. I don't know if he's

1628
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 4: calling the game there tonight or not. I need to

1629
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 4: actually fact check that before I mentioned on the radio.

1630
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 1: If he's there, I will certainly say hello to him.

1631
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:32,720
Speaker 3: I know he's got a big game coming up on

1632
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 3: the CW. Now work here in forty A.

1633
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 1: So that's cool. Oh that right, I know, right, But

1634
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 1: these kind of days. Here's the one life tip from

1635
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 1: Jake Querry. And I've mentioned this before, but this kind

1636
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 1: of weather absolutely merits for me to share.

1637
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 3: Okay.

1638
01:24:55,840 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 1: I made two visits to the University of Camp maybe

1639
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:05,559
Speaker 1: three before deciding to go to school there. The first

1640
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 1: visit I went with my parents over I believe Labor

1641
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 1: Day weekend and my senior year of high school. So

1642
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:14,759
Speaker 1: naturally it was you know, we got there on a Friday.

1643
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 1: KU probably had a home football game, so it was

1644
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 1: a lovely, beautiful day and everybody was out throwing the

1645
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 1: frisbee and riding bikes and walking dogs and big tailgates

1646
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 1: for the football game. And I thought, holy cow, this

1647
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 1: is utopia. And then I leaned heavily towards going to

1648
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 1: the University of Alabama and was going to go there

1649
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 1: and live with my buddy Chris Farcas. And at the

1650
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 1: eleventh hour I started really leaning towards Kansas. In late

1651
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:50,840
Speaker 1: November and December, I really started thinking more and more

1652
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:56,559
Speaker 1: about Kansas. And in early March, did we get crystal

1653
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 1: ball projections on this back in the day cap dance

1654
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:02,200
Speaker 1: and everything? Right, Yeah, the crystal ball was this. It

1655
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 1: was between Alabama, Kansas, and ball State. Those are the

1656
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 1: three schools that I applied and I was weightlisted at

1657
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 1: Alabama and ball State both. Now, let me tell you

1658
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 1: the kind of academic resume you've got to get to

1659
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 1: get weight listed at Alabama and ball State. Nothing against

1660
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 1: those two fine institutions. Okay, and Kansas just went ahead

1661
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:24,040
Speaker 1: and let me in. But I told my parents. I

1662
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 1: said I think I want to take a second look

1663
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:29,599
Speaker 1: at Kansas. And my parents, as parents of the year

1664
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 1: and also because I'm the youngest, and they were completely

1665
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 1: checked out, said well, that's fine, but you're gonna have

1666
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 1: to take you drive yourself. We're not going I said, okay,

1667
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 1: So I how about this for a different era.

1668
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 3: Okay.

1669
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:48,240
Speaker 1: Tom Hadley was a guy a year below me in school,

1670
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 1: and his sister Amy was at KU. She was ahead

1671
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:53,000
Speaker 1: of me in school, and she was at Kansas. She

1672
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 1: ran track at Kansas. And their little sister, Anne was

1673
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 1: like a fourth grader. And my mom said, oh, I

1674
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:02,720
Speaker 1: ran into to missus Hadley, and Anne would like to

1675
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 1: go visit Amy. So she's going to ride with you.

1676
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:08,440
Speaker 1: So I, a senior in high school and a accompanied

1677
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:11,800
Speaker 1: by a family friend's fourth grade daughter, just packed up

1678
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 1: the car and drove five hundred and fifty miles west

1679
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 1: on a Friday afternoon. Try that in twenty twenty six

1680
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 1: without it making headlines. But either way, we had a

1681
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:23,479
Speaker 1: fun drive, and then you know, I dropped her off

1682
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 1: to her sister and that was that. But when I

1683
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:29,679
Speaker 1: also went, the weather was like this out and people

1684
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:31,720
Speaker 1: were throwing the frisbee and walking dogs and everything else,

1685
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:33,559
Speaker 1: and I thought, this is it. This is where I'm going,

1686
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:35,560
Speaker 1: and I felt totally at home. The thing that I

1687
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 1: would strongly encourage all flip and see and kidding aside

1688
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 1: as I mentioned this, and I will do this quarterly

1689
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:43,320
Speaker 1: probably for those of you who have kids looking at colleges,

1690
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:46,799
Speaker 1: make absolutely certain that at least one of their visits

1691
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 1: they go and they visit on a day when it's

1692
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 1: forty degrees in raining, because what you need to know

1693
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:54,759
Speaker 1: is whether or not you feel comfortable in an environment

1694
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 1: when it's depressing as opposed to uplifting. Because if you're comfortable,

1695
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 1: then then you'll be comfortable all year round, and that's

1696
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:04,719
Speaker 1: where you'll thrive. Because I then went to the University

1697
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 1: of Kansas, and six weeks after I got there, somebody

1698
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 1: turned the sun off and then all hell brooke loose.

1699
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 1: So that's my advice to everybody. There is a coach

1700
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 1: coaching in Indiana that every time I talk about college

1701
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:26,599
Speaker 1: basketball in the state of Indiana, a number of people

1702
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 1: who know the game better than I, that are involved

1703
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,719
Speaker 1: with the game better than I, A number of people

1704
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:33,799
Speaker 1: say to me, no, no, no, Jake, you don't understand.

1705
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 1: The best coach in Indiana. The best college basketball coach

1706
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 1: in Indiana is Greg Donegall at Indiana Wesleyan. And so

1707
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 1: I looked him up one day and immediately said, I

1708
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:48,840
Speaker 1: got to get this guy on the show. Are we

1709
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:51,720
Speaker 1: not going to break any technical difficulties? Please stand by.

1710
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:54,200
Speaker 1: We will talk to Greg Tonegall coming up in just

1711
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 1: a moment here. If you look and I get it,

1712
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:01,800
Speaker 1: have great coaches in the state. Matt Painter is a

1713
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:06,479
Speaker 1: heck of a basketball coach. Nobody, nobody would argue that.

1714
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 1: I think Darren Devrez is a really good coach, and

1715
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:11,680
Speaker 1: I think Darren Devrez is going to do really good

1716
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:16,519
Speaker 1: things at Indiana. And you know, Thad Mada has a

1717
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 1: chance tonight ticket to five hundred, sitting on four ninety nine,

1718
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:26,680
Speaker 1: and I get a feeling. I don't know this, but

1719
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 1: when you think about everything that was said by Danny

1720
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 1: Hurley about Butler and about Thad Mada and all of

1721
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:36,639
Speaker 1: those things, it makes you wonder if thatd Mada doesn't

1722
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:41,600
Speaker 1: also know that maybe you, maybe even Thad Mada is

1723
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 1: thinking about like, man, let me, let me get to

1724
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:45,320
Speaker 1: five hundred, and I'm good, but he's been on four

1725
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:47,720
Speaker 1: ninety nine for a while, and five hundred is going

1726
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 1: to have the opportunity tonight in Georgetown, and we'll see

1727
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 1: whether not Butler gets that done. But there are obviously

1728
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 1: great coaches. And I'd heard a lot about Greg tom

1729
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:04,599
Speaker 1: to go at Indiana Wesleyan and and sure the record

1730
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 1: speaks for itself. I mean, he's got five hundred and

1731
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:11,680
Speaker 1: fifty wins, he's in his twenty first season, three national championships,

1732
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:18,439
Speaker 1: He's coached twenty seven All Americans, thirteen Crossroads League regular

1733
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:19,440
Speaker 1: season championships.

1734
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 3: Oh, do we have breaking news, Eddie, No hit the

1735
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 3: wrong buttons? Back up? Is that the breaking news?

1736
01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:34,559
Speaker 1: Five Crossroads League tournament championships. You know, as a coach,

1737
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 1: for his own accomplishments, a three time National Coach of

1738
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 1: the Year, all kinds of coaching awards, the best of

1739
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,719
Speaker 1: the best talking about him. And as I'm thinking about

1740
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:51,719
Speaker 1: all this and reading all this, I thought to myself,

1741
01:30:53,439 --> 01:31:02,760
Speaker 1: look at Kurt Signetti, look at Josh Shirtz. You know,

1742
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:05,680
Speaker 1: look at what you've got now at AU Indy. There

1743
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:10,080
Speaker 1: is a pattern of finding coaches that have success and

1744
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:17,120
Speaker 1: coaches that are able to get things done by going

1745
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:19,720
Speaker 1: into and finding somebody that you know what, here's a

1746
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 1: coach that's been at a smaller school for ten years

1747
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:25,760
Speaker 1: or fifteen years, or here's a coach that's had all

1748
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:32,639
Speaker 1: of this accumulation of accomplishment, and does that translate from

1749
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 1: small school to bigger school? And if it does, and

1750
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:40,320
Speaker 1: we've seen with Kurt Signetti that it does, We've seen

1751
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:46,040
Speaker 1: with Josh Shurtz that it does. And so then I

1752
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 1: thought surely there would have been opportunity. But sometimes someone's

1753
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:55,519
Speaker 1: best situation is what's best for them and not that chase.

1754
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:58,559
Speaker 1: And there has to be a formula that has led

1755
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:00,759
Speaker 1: to all of that to come together. And I needed

1756
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:02,559
Speaker 1: to know what it was because I thought it could

1757
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:04,519
Speaker 1: be applicable and something we could all learn from.

1758
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:05,920
Speaker 3: So we'll do it next.

1759
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:10,000
Speaker 10: Tonago with twenty seconds fifteen on the shot clock over,

1760
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:12,559
Speaker 10: it goes to Voich. They try to go back door

1761
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:14,639
Speaker 10: to Barton again. Now Barton's got it on the left

1762
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:17,160
Speaker 10: side against Tigger, round a pick. Barton takes it in

1763
01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:21,559
Speaker 10: the metal stop, twelve foot got it Holubo sixty eight,

1764
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:26,719
Speaker 10: sixty six, Valparaiso seven seconds. Webb takes it in, puts

1765
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:29,280
Speaker 10: it off and a great shot fire Web. We're tied

1766
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 10: at sixty eight three point two seconds Tonago from back cart.

1767
01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 7: Here's a one, Oh my gosh, Greig tag from three

1768
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:41,679
Speaker 7: quarter court?

1769
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:44,599
Speaker 8: Are you kidding me? And the crowd's on the floor.

1770
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 1: That's how it sounded, Oh my gosh. Back in nineteen

1771
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:53,880
Speaker 1: ninety eight, Valpo over Belmont and Greg Donegal hits a

1772
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:57,200
Speaker 1: three quarter shot and I hate to say it to

1773
01:32:57,320 --> 01:32:59,519
Speaker 1: the coach now of Indiana Wesleyan, but it's probably the

1774
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 1: second most famous shot in balpo history. But he joins

1775
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:06,639
Speaker 1: us now on the Java House guest line and coach.

1776
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:08,600
Speaker 1: First off, it is a pleasure to have you on

1777
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:09,200
Speaker 1: the program.

1778
01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:09,680
Speaker 3: How are you.

1779
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 9: I'm good.

1780
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 16: I don't know if you're making fun of me for

1781
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:15,880
Speaker 16: being old or you just needed I needed a pick

1782
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:17,760
Speaker 16: up today, you know, because my kids make fun of

1783
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:19,880
Speaker 16: me and tell me I was no good in basketball.

1784
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:22,120
Speaker 9: But not the blasto in the past right there.

1785
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:24,640
Speaker 1: No, you know what, Listen, you're not old. I'm the

1786
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:28,240
Speaker 1: old one here right you are not old. But I

1787
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 1: got to tell you this, and we have never spoken before,

1788
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 1: and I kind of out of the blue reached out

1789
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:36,680
Speaker 1: to you and let me tell you why. You know,

1790
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 1: I love the game of basketball like all of us

1791
01:33:38,439 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 1: in the state of Indiana, and I have four years

1792
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:45,120
Speaker 1: heard each time that I talk about basketball. I've talked

1793
01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 1: to a number of people within the game at all

1794
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 1: levels and they're like, no, you don't understand, Jake. You

1795
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:52,280
Speaker 1: got to see what the guy's doing in Indiana Wesleyan.

1796
01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:57,040
Speaker 1: And finally, the other day I was talking to a

1797
01:33:57,120 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 1: former Indiana guy and he said, look, the best coach

1798
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 1: in the state of Indiana, with all due respect to

1799
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:04,720
Speaker 1: the great coaches that we have in the state, but

1800
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 1: like the best coach in Indiana is Greg Connegal. And

1801
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 1: I looked up your record. You're twenty two and four

1802
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 1: this year. You're in your twenty first season up there

1803
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 1: in coaching the team. You've won multiple national championships, You've

1804
01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:20,400
Speaker 1: won multiple Coach of the Year awards. And then something

1805
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 1: jumped out at me and I had to know more,

1806
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:24,439
Speaker 1: and that is I saw that your mission is to

1807
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:29,280
Speaker 1: find players that go after the pursuit of that will

1808
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:33,320
Speaker 1: trade the pursuit of me for the pursuit of three.

1809
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:37,120
Speaker 1: And clearly that works, but I wanted to know more

1810
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:38,200
Speaker 1: about what it means.

1811
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:41,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, thank you for that. I appreciate that.

1812
01:34:41,479 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 16: And you know, our motto or our culture is built

1813
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 16: upon what we call I am third. It's pretty simple,

1814
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:50,960
Speaker 16: but it's very difficult to live out. It's God first, other, second,

1815
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:55,040
Speaker 16: you know myself third, And I think never more appropriate

1816
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:58,000
Speaker 16: right now in college sports, especially college basketball. Do you

1817
01:34:58,040 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 16: want to build a program on that in a day

1818
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:02,000
Speaker 16: age where everybody's asking the question, what's.

1819
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:04,160
Speaker 9: In it for me? What's the dollar sign?

1820
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:06,960
Speaker 16: How many minutes, can you promise me, you know, how

1821
01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:08,519
Speaker 16: can I how can I use you to get to

1822
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:10,920
Speaker 16: that next level. I think we've doubled down and just said,

1823
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:15,840
Speaker 16: let's build something countercultural. Let's let's find kids that want

1824
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:19,360
Speaker 16: to get outside themselves, want to not just have everything

1825
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 16: benefit themselves.

1826
01:35:20,479 --> 01:35:22,519
Speaker 9: And you know, to go against that tide I think

1827
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:23,160
Speaker 9: can be risky.

1828
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:24,880
Speaker 16: But at the same time it reminds me what this

1829
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:27,120
Speaker 16: game is all about. And uh, you know, we're not

1830
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:28,760
Speaker 16: perfect at it, and we we deal with some of

1831
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 16: the same stuff around the landscape at college basketball, but

1832
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:31,840
Speaker 16: at the same time, I.

1833
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:33,800
Speaker 9: Think some of the results are different. And it's given.

1834
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:37,479
Speaker 16: It's given our whole staff just fulfillment in this coaching

1835
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:40,080
Speaker 16: gig because there's not a better profession to be in,

1836
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:42,200
Speaker 16: but there's probably not a tougher profession to be in

1837
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:43,720
Speaker 16: at the same time, and so you might as well

1838
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:44,559
Speaker 16: do with great people.

1839
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:48,760
Speaker 1: You know, when you as we have gotten into and

1840
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say coach that that the greed

1841
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:54,560
Speaker 1: from a player's standpoint is new to college basketball, but

1842
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:57,760
Speaker 1: it's now more transparent, right, it's more overt, it's more

1843
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:01,680
Speaker 1: out there. Has that actually, when you are a program

1844
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 1: that is not dealing with the big monies of nil

1845
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:08,080
Speaker 1: and all of those things. Has it actually made it

1846
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:11,599
Speaker 1: easier for you to be able to identify the players

1847
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:15,840
Speaker 1: that have the yearning to be of a character that

1848
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:19,800
Speaker 1: you need as opposed to somebody that is more duplicitous

1849
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:22,600
Speaker 1: and pretends that way and then you find out that

1850
01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:26,160
Speaker 1: they're a me guy. Has it actually sifted through and

1851
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:29,800
Speaker 1: made it even maybe easier to determine who it is

1852
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 1: that you want?

1853
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:35,080
Speaker 9: Well, yes and no. The temptation is there, right, I

1854
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:35,880
Speaker 9: fall into that.

1855
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:38,040
Speaker 16: This is my twenty first year, and I wish I

1856
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:41,280
Speaker 16: could say, you know, the last four to five like

1857
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:42,599
Speaker 16: we've made all good decisions.

1858
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:43,120
Speaker 9: We haven't.

1859
01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:45,320
Speaker 16: But at the same time, we've also said, let's double

1860
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:48,760
Speaker 16: down and let's find those guys. Let's do our diligence

1861
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:53,120
Speaker 16: and find guys that want to win more than they

1862
01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:53,960
Speaker 16: meet the eye test.

1863
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:54,200
Speaker 9: Right.

1864
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:56,880
Speaker 16: It's so easy as a coach to fall in love

1865
01:36:56,920 --> 01:37:00,519
Speaker 16: with statistics or the athleticism and all those markers. But

1866
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:03,080
Speaker 16: then with that a lot of times comes with you know,

1867
01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:06,559
Speaker 16: kids that just entitlement, right, or they or they want something,

1868
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:10,320
Speaker 16: and what we want is kids that just want to

1869
01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:12,439
Speaker 16: die to be a part of Indiana Westling and want

1870
01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:13,880
Speaker 16: to die to be a part of a locker room

1871
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:16,280
Speaker 16: full of guys that care about them, that relationships trump

1872
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:19,840
Speaker 16: all the other transactional things. And you know, if you

1873
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:22,160
Speaker 16: can put even if you can just put twelve guys

1874
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:25,160
Speaker 16: in that locker room, right like, man, you got something special.

1875
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 16: Because you know, right now in college basketball, especially you

1876
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 16: know NCAA Division one, it's it's fifteen guys in, fifteen

1877
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:33,840
Speaker 16: guys out, and everybody that is leaving is looking for

1878
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:35,880
Speaker 16: something greater. But some of the guys coming in right

1879
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:39,040
Speaker 16: they're coming in thinking this this program owes me something,

1880
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:43,000
Speaker 16: and I'll use the program for whatever. It's just it's

1881
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:45,320
Speaker 16: not a great situation right now. So we're trying to

1882
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:47,680
Speaker 16: build something different and we're trying to be to go

1883
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:50,040
Speaker 16: about it different, and you know, and it may not

1884
01:37:50,120 --> 01:37:52,040
Speaker 16: be for everybody, but at the same time, it's it's

1885
01:37:52,120 --> 01:37:52,640
Speaker 16: worked for us.

1886
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:55,800
Speaker 1: Greg Tonegle's my guest from Indiana Wesley and he's on

1887
01:37:55,840 --> 01:38:00,320
Speaker 1: the Java House caled Brew guest line Coach. You know,

1888
01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:03,320
Speaker 1: some of the principles I think that you're teaching here

1889
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:06,080
Speaker 1: to your players. I think all of us can learn

1890
01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:08,000
Speaker 1: from it, no matter what walk of life we're in,

1891
01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:12,280
Speaker 1: And I wanted to use an example here. You won

1892
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:16,000
Speaker 1: the first national championship in twenty fourteen, if I'm not mistaken,

1893
01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:19,479
Speaker 1: your first of three, right, you win thirty one games,

1894
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:21,960
Speaker 1: You win thirty three. The next year you win thirty three.

1895
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:24,000
Speaker 1: The year after that you win your second title, You

1896
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:26,080
Speaker 1: win twenty nine games. You come back, you win thirty

1897
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:28,599
Speaker 1: one again, you win your third title. So you win

1898
01:38:28,680 --> 01:38:32,120
Speaker 1: three titles within like a five year span there. How

1899
01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:35,320
Speaker 1: did you fight against complacency?

1900
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:38,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, that was a tough period.

1901
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 16: That was I remember after the third National championship, I

1902
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:44,960
Speaker 16: kind of was going through a little bit of a

1903
01:38:45,080 --> 01:38:47,840
Speaker 16: midlife crisis, saying what do I want to do? Because

1904
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:50,760
Speaker 16: if you don't have a burning desire to do this,

1905
01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:53,760
Speaker 16: it's a profession that you know, you probably shouldn't be in.

1906
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:55,519
Speaker 9: And I went through it a little bit.

1907
01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:58,840
Speaker 16: I kind of explored some things, but through it all,

1908
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:00,479
Speaker 16: I realized, like, man, this is That's what I'm cut

1909
01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:03,479
Speaker 16: out to do. Like, I can't imagine doing anything else.

1910
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:07,439
Speaker 16: I'm competitive, I love people, I love the flexibility of

1911
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:09,800
Speaker 16: it all. And so it was during that time that

1912
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:11,800
Speaker 16: once again you kind of had to say, well, who

1913
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:14,160
Speaker 16: are we like, it's not just about winning these national

1914
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:15,040
Speaker 16: championships because you.

1915
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:15,920
Speaker 9: May never win another one.

1916
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:18,480
Speaker 16: Right, Like, my best teams have not won national championships.

1917
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:21,559
Speaker 16: One was COVID they shut the tournament down. Another one

1918
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:24,720
Speaker 16: was we had Kyle Mangus who's with the Spurs right now,

1919
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:27,559
Speaker 16: and we just didn't win it. And so if it's

1920
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:30,719
Speaker 16: always about that end, the end is season that tournament

1921
01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:32,800
Speaker 16: that everybody puts all the stock into. Man, you're gonna

1922
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:35,920
Speaker 16: walk away disappointed. So you got to look back and realize,

1923
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:38,439
Speaker 16: it's the journey, it's the relationships, it's all those things

1924
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:40,720
Speaker 16: that really people don't see and you don't get credit for.

1925
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:43,120
Speaker 9: But at the end of the day, that's the fulfillment

1926
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:44,040
Speaker 9: you find in this job.

1927
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:48,000
Speaker 1: We're seeing more, you know, obviously you know coach the

1928
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:52,439
Speaker 1: Kurt Signetti story, right. Josh Shurtz is another one that

1929
01:39:53,080 --> 01:39:55,919
Speaker 1: went from a small school had a huge winning percentage

1930
01:39:55,960 --> 01:39:58,679
Speaker 1: Indiana State. He goes there and you saw what happened.

1931
01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:00,439
Speaker 1: Now he's in slew and he's only got one loss

1932
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:03,280
Speaker 1: on the year. Were you ever tempted? Did you ever

1933
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 1: have overtures from other people saying, hey, give it a

1934
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:08,120
Speaker 1: shot at the next step up?

1935
01:40:09,439 --> 01:40:12,000
Speaker 16: Yeah, there were times where I thought maybe it is time,

1936
01:40:12,280 --> 01:40:14,560
Speaker 16: and I had to go through that process. Right, you

1937
01:40:14,680 --> 01:40:17,800
Speaker 16: don't know until you go through the process. And every

1938
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:20,680
Speaker 16: time I did, I was it just wasn't clear to me.

1939
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:23,160
Speaker 16: And part of it is I've got six kids. I

1940
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:24,960
Speaker 16: got a big family, right. You just don't pick up

1941
01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:27,240
Speaker 16: six kids and a wife and say hey, we're moving.

1942
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:29,400
Speaker 16: And also at the same time, I think I've got

1943
01:40:29,439 --> 01:40:30,960
Speaker 16: something special here in Indiana Wesleyan.

1944
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:32,599
Speaker 9: I mean, we've got it all here.

1945
01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:34,800
Speaker 16: I got everything, but the million other contractor is what

1946
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:38,040
Speaker 16: I tell people, Right, I've got a great facilities, great people.

1947
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:41,560
Speaker 16: I can have work life balance. I'm not dealing with

1948
01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:44,080
Speaker 16: some of the crazy stuff that these coaches are dealing

1949
01:40:44,120 --> 01:40:45,840
Speaker 16: with agents and the crazy.

1950
01:40:45,640 --> 01:40:47,519
Speaker 9: Nil And I love that, you know.

1951
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:49,800
Speaker 16: And at the end of the day, I'm pretty happy

1952
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:51,880
Speaker 16: and satisfied with the run that I've had.

1953
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:56,600
Speaker 1: When looking at your resume, Okay, and I'm going to

1954
01:40:56,640 --> 01:41:01,280
Speaker 1: read off a couple of things here. Three three national championships,

1955
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:05,640
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, twenty seven Anaia All Americans, thirteen Crossroads

1956
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:12,000
Speaker 1: regular season championships, five tournament championships, two two time National

1957
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:15,800
Speaker 1: Player of the Year, small college basketball Player of the year.

1958
01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:20,800
Speaker 1: Four seasons finished number one ranked in NAIA Division one,

1959
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:24,439
Speaker 1: a winning percentage of nearly eighty percent five hundred and

1960
01:41:24,479 --> 01:41:27,280
Speaker 1: fifty wins. When you look back over all of it,

1961
01:41:27,720 --> 01:41:31,600
Speaker 1: and I talked earlier about this coach for all of us,

1962
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:36,080
Speaker 1: I think sometimes we forget the thrill in our younger

1963
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:39,479
Speaker 1: years of the chase and when we didn't have as

1964
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:41,519
Speaker 1: much and when it was all we had was a

1965
01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:43,640
Speaker 1: hope and a vision right of where we wanted to be.

1966
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:49,760
Speaker 1: Can you still capture within you that thrill of that

1967
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:52,080
Speaker 1: chase even with all of that accomplishment.

1968
01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:57,320
Speaker 16: Now, oh yeah, I mean I'm in my fourth quarter.

1969
01:41:57,400 --> 01:41:58,880
Speaker 9: That's why I was telling somebody the other day.

1970
01:41:59,120 --> 01:42:01,800
Speaker 16: And I've been here twenty one years. I'm forty five

1971
01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:04,479
Speaker 16: years old, and I won another national championship.

1972
01:42:04,479 --> 01:42:05,559
Speaker 9: Pretty bad. I'm not gonna lie.

1973
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:08,760
Speaker 16: It's been a while, you know, there's always that competitor

1974
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:09,920
Speaker 16: in you that says.

1975
01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:12,960
Speaker 9: Can I do it again? And we're building a new arena.

1976
01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:16,600
Speaker 16: We've got just a new administration and president who's doing

1977
01:42:16,640 --> 01:42:18,200
Speaker 16: a lot of great things for us, And there is

1978
01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:24,280
Speaker 16: a part come to realize, like every time you win one,

1979
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:26,840
Speaker 16: you immediately go to the next one and as good

1980
01:42:26,840 --> 01:42:29,280
Speaker 16: as they are, they do truly never give you what

1981
01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:31,439
Speaker 16: you think you can chase them. And I've had a

1982
01:42:31,479 --> 01:42:33,679
Speaker 16: lot of friends in this coaching profession that will chase

1983
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:36,320
Speaker 16: all that at the expense of something right, at the

1984
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:38,719
Speaker 16: expense of a marriage, or the expense of raising kids,

1985
01:42:39,160 --> 01:42:40,559
Speaker 16: And that's what I don't want to do. I don't

1986
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:42,880
Speaker 16: want to chase it at the expense of missing my

1987
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:44,600
Speaker 16: kids high school games. I got two boys that are

1988
01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:46,959
Speaker 16: in high school now, and nothing brings me more happiness

1989
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:49,559
Speaker 16: than watching them play high school basketball. So I'm going

1990
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:51,240
Speaker 16: to give it everything I got in this fourth quarter,

1991
01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:53,519
Speaker 16: but I'm also going to make sure along the way

1992
01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:55,680
Speaker 16: there's a priority and I got things in order.

1993
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:58,040
Speaker 1: What's the proudest moment you've had as a coach that

1994
01:42:58,200 --> 01:43:02,080
Speaker 1: cannot be reflected by looking at a troph the case, Well,

1995
01:43:02,240 --> 01:43:02,519
Speaker 1: I'm to.

1996
01:43:02,600 --> 01:43:05,880
Speaker 9: The point now back with families. You know, they'll come

1997
01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:06,400
Speaker 9: back with a.

1998
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:08,880
Speaker 16: Two to three year old, and it's amazing to see

1999
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:11,280
Speaker 16: him in that role because man, they were immature, punk

2000
01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:14,760
Speaker 16: kids at eight eighteen, and we laugh, you know, we

2001
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:18,720
Speaker 16: laugh about the discipline, we laugh about moments where it

2002
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:22,040
Speaker 16: was heated. But now it's like, man, they're friends, they've

2003
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:25,160
Speaker 16: got families, and often they'll tell us stories about how

2004
01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:27,439
Speaker 16: they're applying what they learned, you know, in real life,

2005
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:30,280
Speaker 16: and those are those full circle moments that mean more

2006
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:31,320
Speaker 16: than anything in coaching.

2007
01:43:31,720 --> 01:43:34,000
Speaker 1: You obviously have been around the Drew family a lot,

2008
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:36,960
Speaker 1: you know, being somebody that played to Valparaiso and you

2009
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:40,759
Speaker 1: know played for coach Drew and obviously his sons around

2010
01:43:40,840 --> 01:43:43,240
Speaker 1: it as well. What did the Drew family mean to

2011
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:47,400
Speaker 1: you or what other noted Indiana figures perhaps have you

2012
01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:47,920
Speaker 1: learned from?

2013
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:51,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean I played for both Homer and Scott,

2014
01:43:51,479 --> 01:43:52,639
Speaker 9: so Homer was my coach.

2015
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:55,639
Speaker 16: He decides to decides to retire, and Scott becomes head

2016
01:43:55,680 --> 01:43:57,519
Speaker 16: coach for one year brit before he went to Baylor.

2017
01:43:57,720 --> 01:43:59,760
Speaker 16: And you know, Homer got me the job at Indian.

2018
01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:01,640
Speaker 16: Well I'm twenty four years old, like they should not

2019
01:44:01,720 --> 01:44:03,479
Speaker 16: have hired me, but Homer got on the phone and said,

2020
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:05,639
Speaker 16: just give him a shot. And you know, I owe

2021
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:08,240
Speaker 16: him for this job. And I've stayed in close contact

2022
01:44:08,280 --> 01:44:10,200
Speaker 16: with Scott throughout the years. He's done a great job

2023
01:44:10,240 --> 01:44:13,599
Speaker 16: at Baylor, and you know we're always talking and sharing ideas,

2024
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:16,560
Speaker 16: and I mean Indiana is just the best state. I

2025
01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:19,040
Speaker 16: think some of the best coaches in the entire country

2026
01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:20,200
Speaker 16: are in the state of Indiana.

2027
01:44:20,280 --> 01:44:22,920
Speaker 9: High school. You know, I'm when I'm recruiting, I'm.

2028
01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:24,439
Speaker 16: Going down there not only to see a kid, but

2029
01:44:24,479 --> 01:44:27,200
Speaker 16: I'm learning from these guys and trying to pick, you know,

2030
01:44:27,320 --> 01:44:29,679
Speaker 16: pick their brains as much as any college, because Indiana

2031
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:31,960
Speaker 16: is such a special place for basketball and it starts

2032
01:44:31,960 --> 01:44:32,800
Speaker 16: at the high school level.

2033
01:44:34,240 --> 01:44:37,160
Speaker 1: Lastly, I wanted to give you the opportunity for this

2034
01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:40,639
Speaker 1: because you know, you talk about molding young people right

2035
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:45,519
Speaker 1: and having and clearly over twenty one seasons you have

2036
01:44:46,600 --> 01:44:49,320
Speaker 1: a core belief. You know, you have a mission statement,

2037
01:44:49,439 --> 01:44:52,320
Speaker 1: if you will, for somebody listening to the show right

2038
01:44:52,360 --> 01:44:55,920
Speaker 1: now that is in a rut in their job or

2039
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:58,760
Speaker 1: in their personal life, or they're just trying to find

2040
01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:02,320
Speaker 1: some sort of a mo motivating factor to just be

2041
01:45:02,439 --> 01:45:05,160
Speaker 1: able to continue and reach the next summit of what

2042
01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:08,760
Speaker 1: it is that they're looking for personally or professionally. What

2043
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:11,600
Speaker 1: would your coach speak be, what would the lesson be

2044
01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:14,840
Speaker 1: or what drives you from the day to day aside

2045
01:45:14,920 --> 01:45:16,960
Speaker 1: from the pursuit of simply another ring.

2046
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:19,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's a great question.

2047
01:45:19,439 --> 01:45:22,960
Speaker 16: And every time I find myself looking inward and every

2048
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:26,400
Speaker 16: time I find myself at the center of focus one,

2049
01:45:27,160 --> 01:45:29,800
Speaker 16: I'm never at my peak, but either are the people

2050
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:31,439
Speaker 16: around me. And I was just talking to my team

2051
01:45:31,479 --> 01:45:33,679
Speaker 16: about this. We had a road game where we turned

2052
01:45:33,680 --> 01:45:35,679
Speaker 16: a little inward, and I said, the interesting thing about

2053
01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:38,479
Speaker 16: being so self focused is you don't get what you want,

2054
01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:40,840
Speaker 16: but neither do the people around you. So I said,

2055
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:43,320
Speaker 16: we've got to learn as a team to turn outward.

2056
01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:45,120
Speaker 16: It's you know, this is back to who we want

2057
01:45:45,160 --> 01:45:46,840
Speaker 16: to become. If you put your attention on God and

2058
01:45:46,920 --> 01:45:48,880
Speaker 16: what he has for your life, and then you allow

2059
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:52,400
Speaker 16: that to direct your attention towards other people, everybody wins.

2060
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:55,400
Speaker 16: But we get so caught up into you know, what

2061
01:45:55,560 --> 01:45:57,760
Speaker 16: I want, what I think I need, the pursuit of me,

2062
01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:00,960
Speaker 16: and I've been down that path. I'm telling you it's

2063
01:46:01,040 --> 01:46:03,479
Speaker 16: not fruitful. It's not fun, and if you want to

2064
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:06,320
Speaker 16: have an exciting and purpose filled life, you just got

2065
01:46:06,439 --> 01:46:07,280
Speaker 16: to be able to reverse that.

2066
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:09,920
Speaker 1: So will you retired Indiana wesleyan.

2067
01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:14,960
Speaker 9: Man, That's a good question. That's a good question. I

2068
01:46:15,040 --> 01:46:16,040
Speaker 9: don't know. I don't know.

2069
01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:18,479
Speaker 16: I love the fish and hunt, and that's kind of

2070
01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:20,400
Speaker 16: what I think about these days is like, how can

2071
01:46:20,479 --> 01:46:23,360
Speaker 16: I coach and fish and hunt? So maybe somewhere in

2072
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:25,800
Speaker 16: North Dakota there's a good job for me. I mean,

2073
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:26,840
Speaker 16: I'm joking, but that.

2074
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:27,639
Speaker 9: Would be ideal.

2075
01:46:27,880 --> 01:46:28,040
Speaker 6: You know.

2076
01:46:28,160 --> 01:46:31,000
Speaker 1: I've always kind of been this weird, low key Wyoming

2077
01:46:31,080 --> 01:46:33,519
Speaker 1: fan and I think they're kind of struggling. So you know,

2078
01:46:34,520 --> 01:46:37,120
Speaker 1: Laramie's nice, It's just brutal in the winter time. But listen,

2079
01:46:37,160 --> 01:46:39,919
Speaker 1: we'd love to have you stick around here in Indiana

2080
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:43,280
Speaker 1: for sure. But coach, I appreciate the time. I congratulate

2081
01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:46,040
Speaker 1: you on your success and certainly hope the continuation of

2082
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:48,759
Speaker 1: that twenty two and four right now is where you stand,

2083
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:50,960
Speaker 1: and I appreciate the perspective in the time today.

2084
01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:53,080
Speaker 9: Hey, thanks for having me. Man, it's fun.

2085
01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:55,439
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Greg Tonegal again the head coach at

2086
01:46:55,880 --> 01:46:59,000
Speaker 1: Indiana Wesley and interesting stuff, and I you know the

2087
01:47:02,040 --> 01:47:05,439
Speaker 1: I think there's such a value there in what he

2088
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:07,280
Speaker 1: talked about. And you could hear it. I mean right away,

2089
01:47:07,320 --> 01:47:11,720
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, this guy gets it, and you know,

2090
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:15,680
Speaker 1: are we getting away from a little bit. I think

2091
01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:19,479
Speaker 1: college basketball is great and I certainly love and it's

2092
01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:22,679
Speaker 1: going to be an unbelievable NCAA tournament this year, because

2093
01:47:22,720 --> 01:47:25,760
Speaker 1: you've got any number of I mean Michigan last night,

2094
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:28,040
Speaker 1: what they did to produce at Michigan's outstanding and their

2095
01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:32,040
Speaker 1: ability to shoot from the outside, which I totally slept on.

2096
01:47:32,240 --> 01:47:33,880
Speaker 1: You know, I did not give them enough credit for that.

2097
01:47:34,520 --> 01:47:38,320
Speaker 1: Their size clearly in their length. But Michigan's outstanding in

2098
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:40,640
Speaker 1: Iowa State is really good, and Arizona is good and

2099
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:44,600
Speaker 1: goes without saying Connecticut is really good. Illinois is I

2100
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:47,240
Speaker 1: would not sleep on Illinois. Kansas is starting to come on.

2101
01:47:47,720 --> 01:47:48,960
Speaker 1: It's going to be a great tournament.

2102
01:47:49,479 --> 01:47:53,719
Speaker 3: But six upsets last night, six of them six.

2103
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:58,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think of what the well I

2104
01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:01,160
Speaker 1: mean obviously Michigan, who was not upset because Michigan was

2105
01:48:01,240 --> 01:48:01,920
Speaker 1: number one, right, I.

2106
01:48:01,960 --> 01:48:03,080
Speaker 3: Will beat Nebraska.

2107
01:48:03,240 --> 01:48:05,960
Speaker 4: Last night, Arizona State beat Texas Tech and it was

2108
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:08,479
Speaker 4: a bigger blow for Texas Tech.

2109
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:09,280
Speaker 1: Te Hoiberg.

2110
01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:10,320
Speaker 3: Did you see Fred Hoiberg.

2111
01:48:10,439 --> 01:48:10,639
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2112
01:48:10,840 --> 01:48:14,439
Speaker 4: JT Toppin, their star player who is one of the

2113
01:48:14,520 --> 01:48:17,960
Speaker 4: best in the country, left late in the second half

2114
01:48:18,200 --> 01:48:18,919
Speaker 4: with the knee.

2115
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:21,080
Speaker 3: Injury no relation to Obi, no relation to Obi.

2116
01:48:21,240 --> 01:48:24,920
Speaker 4: Does not look good there, and uh so Texas Tech

2117
01:48:25,040 --> 01:48:26,639
Speaker 4: falls to Arizona State.

2118
01:48:26,840 --> 01:48:28,400
Speaker 3: Last night n C State.

2119
01:48:28,360 --> 01:48:31,920
Speaker 1: Pubbled absolutely, that was never even a game.

2120
01:48:32,320 --> 01:48:34,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, Kayler Wilson talked about that fractured hands,

2121
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:36,120
Speaker 4: so you have to wonder how much of that was

2122
01:48:36,160 --> 01:48:36,639
Speaker 4: a factor.

2123
01:48:37,400 --> 01:48:39,840
Speaker 3: Archie Miller defeating Josh Shirtz.

2124
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:43,320
Speaker 4: Last day, oh Roady beat slew Okay, yes eighty one

2125
01:48:43,400 --> 01:48:45,559
Speaker 4: seventy six, SMU beat Louisville.

2126
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:48,160
Speaker 3: The Red Hawks state perfect.

2127
01:48:48,160 --> 01:48:51,760
Speaker 4: They won last night against UMass and then Ohio State

2128
01:48:52,439 --> 01:48:53,560
Speaker 4: destroyed Wisconsin.

2129
01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:57,120
Speaker 1: I'm telling you there's there's so much balance right, and

2130
01:48:57,240 --> 01:48:59,519
Speaker 1: that makes it that makes it great, don't get me wrong.

2131
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:03,960
Speaker 1: But there's also just you know, as he talked about

2132
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:08,439
Speaker 1: there they looking inward versus outward and those things. I

2133
01:49:08,720 --> 01:49:11,600
Speaker 1: think there is a refreshment and a joy and a

2134
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:16,000
Speaker 1: relief and seeing still the level that it's about guys

2135
01:49:16,040 --> 01:49:19,120
Speaker 1: going out and just playing the best basketball. They can

2136
01:49:19,160 --> 01:49:22,360
Speaker 1: play good about tonight too, you know the nil and

2137
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:23,960
Speaker 1: everything else. What have we got tonight?

2138
01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:29,840
Speaker 3: B Yu Arizona nine o'clock on ESPN. Yeah, Pig City

2139
01:49:32,680 --> 01:49:37,040
Speaker 3: than Sue. That's hard. They're taking on high tide. High tide.

2140
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:38,519
Speaker 3: You remember that commercial.

2141
01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:42,720
Speaker 4: No, Oh, it's like I forget I don't know what

2142
01:49:42,840 --> 01:49:44,639
Speaker 4: the company was, but it was like a guy standing

2143
01:49:44,680 --> 01:49:48,880
Speaker 4: outside the bus line and he thought it was high

2144
01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:50,240
Speaker 4: tide and not roll tide.

2145
01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:53,759
Speaker 3: So he's yelling high tie, guys, high tide. That's pretty

2146
01:49:53,800 --> 01:49:54,639
Speaker 3: solid high tide.

2147
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:58,559
Speaker 1: So Arkansas Alabama tonight, right, yeah, Kansas at Oklahoma State

2148
01:49:59,400 --> 01:50:01,479
Speaker 1: wrote content that's for the Jayhawks at that nine o'clock

2149
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:04,040
Speaker 1: Creighton Yukon, although that shouldn't be much of a game.

2150
01:50:04,040 --> 01:50:05,320
Speaker 3: CONNECTICU should blow Hi out of the water.

2151
01:50:05,400 --> 01:50:08,080
Speaker 1: And of course Indiana State and Northern Iowa. Baby, that's right,

2152
01:50:08,600 --> 01:50:09,160
Speaker 1: I'll be there.

2153
01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:09,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

2154
01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:11,800
Speaker 1: Good day to get on seventy and drive out. We

2155
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:14,200
Speaker 1: might stop at Cloverdale. See the stop at the clover

2156
01:50:14,280 --> 01:50:16,360
Speaker 1: Queens See if my n uncle's old restaurant's still there.

2157
01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:21,960
Speaker 1: It's not, but I could pretend it is, right, But

2158
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Speaker 1: I I just commend. I think sometimes you can learn

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Speaker 1: a little bit, even at the age of fifty three,

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Speaker 1: from what a coach is trying to teach kids at

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Speaker 1: nineteen and twenty, is in fact a player that could

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Speaker 1: be once again available to the Colts, somebody that could

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Speaker 1: land here. Charlie Clifford is covering red spring training but

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Speaker 1: also covers the Bengals. We'll have that discussion with him

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Speaker 1: next Oh it's the flatulent Bengal got some bad takeout,

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01:50:54,640 --> 01:50:56,559
Speaker 1: did the Cincinnati Bengals when they did this song?

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 1: Honestly every team at some point came out with some song,

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Speaker 1: and other than the Super Bowl Shuffle, all of them

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Speaker 1: are embarrassing. By the way, Eddie, do you happen to

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Speaker 1: have the breaking new sounder. I just did a scouring.

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Speaker 1: It appears as though on this the eighteenth day of February,

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Speaker 1: a day after the day that we said as the

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Speaker 1: over under, the parking lot is entirely clear of snow remnant.

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Speaker 1: Now there is one small sliver. There's one holdout.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what That side road is right there

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Speaker 3: by tenth Street.

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Speaker 1: That's where I saw the snow, and then back there

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Speaker 1: and that okay, back the corner is clean as a

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Speaker 1: whistle by the stoplight. Yes, there's one little sliver hanging

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01:51:52,360 --> 01:51:56,439
Speaker 1: on for dear life to the curbing below us. But

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Speaker 1: the parking lot itself, which was the original vernacular of

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Speaker 1: the discussion, and yesterday was the over under. You took

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Speaker 1: the under, and it looks like today the first day

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Speaker 1: of the over we are good to go. That's how

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Speaker 1: it appears on this false spring Now it is warmer

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01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:18,439
Speaker 1: here than it is in Arizona, but Charlie Clifford is

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01:52:18,520 --> 01:52:23,000
Speaker 1: with the Reds in spring training down in Arizona. Of course,

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Speaker 1: everybody knows Charlie from his time here at WISH TV,

2190
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Speaker 1: now doing television in Cincinnati at the NBC affiliate and

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Speaker 1: joining us on the Java House col Brew guest line, Charlie,

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01:52:32,080 --> 01:52:34,639
Speaker 1: are you still celebrating the fact that your Miami RedHawks

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01:52:34,640 --> 01:52:35,280
Speaker 1: are undefeated?

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Speaker 9: I am.

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Speaker 11: I am America's team, as India's well known. Now Greg

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01:52:41,240 --> 01:52:44,000
Speaker 11: Doyle had a great write up. I thank it was yesterday.

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01:52:46,360 --> 01:52:49,479
Speaker 11: Just get ready, get ready for Iron Eagle. Welcome to

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01:52:49,560 --> 01:52:54,240
Speaker 11: the Final Four with a mac introduction. They'll be what

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01:52:54,600 --> 01:52:58,559
Speaker 11: thirty three thirty four to er at that point. It's

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01:52:58,600 --> 01:53:02,840
Speaker 11: been awesome. In all seriousness, I was doing student radio

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01:53:02,960 --> 01:53:05,800
Speaker 11: there in front of a few hundred people, you know,

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Speaker 11: twelve thirteen years ago, and I never thought it was possible.

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01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:10,680
Speaker 11: Jake Query, and here we are.

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01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:14,800
Speaker 1: How far can they go? Honestly, because I and look,

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Speaker 1: they're obviously very good, but they did not play an

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01:53:17,240 --> 01:53:19,519
Speaker 1: arduous pre conference schedule. But you play the teams that

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01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:23,599
Speaker 1: are there, and at some point, Charlie, the challenge becomes

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01:53:23,680 --> 01:53:25,800
Speaker 1: playing against the record. To be honest with you, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think that that alone takes a mental maturity,

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Speaker 1: if you will. But how far do you realistically think

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01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:35,160
Speaker 1: they can go?

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01:53:36,479 --> 01:53:39,599
Speaker 11: Well, we won't be standing on the Lucas Oil flour

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01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:42,800
Speaker 11: like we were a decade ago when the UK was

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01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:45,800
Speaker 11: running out against Wisconsin with the perfect season on the

2215
01:53:45,880 --> 01:53:49,720
Speaker 11: line in the Final four. But they can absolutely win

2216
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:51,360
Speaker 11: a game. This is not a team that's going to

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01:53:51,800 --> 01:53:54,439
Speaker 11: line up and just get blown out. The guards are

2218
01:53:54,479 --> 01:53:58,599
Speaker 11: good enough, you know that, as many mid mid major

2219
01:53:58,680 --> 01:54:03,200
Speaker 11: teams struggle with when it becomes March maddness time. You know,

2220
01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:05,680
Speaker 11: the depths in the post is going to be a

2221
01:54:05,800 --> 01:54:07,280
Speaker 11: problem against these bigger teams.

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Speaker 9: But they can absolutely win a game.

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Speaker 11: I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't favored, you know,

2224
01:54:12,640 --> 01:54:15,880
Speaker 11: and their first game depending on you know, how high

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01:54:15,960 --> 01:54:19,040
Speaker 11: seating wise they line up. I think recently they're right

2226
01:54:19,080 --> 01:54:22,759
Speaker 11: around the eight eight nine line looking at some brackets.

2227
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:24,760
Speaker 8: So I don't know, what do you think I think

2228
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:25,040
Speaker 8: they'll be.

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01:54:25,240 --> 01:54:27,640
Speaker 1: I think they'll be a seventh seed. Seven to ten

2230
01:54:27,760 --> 01:54:29,519
Speaker 1: is always an upset game. I think they'll be a

2231
01:54:29,560 --> 01:54:31,200
Speaker 1: seventh seed. I'm going to say right now, I'm going

2232
01:54:31,240 --> 01:54:32,480
Speaker 1: to say they go to the sweet sixteen.

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01:54:33,960 --> 01:54:38,440
Speaker 11: Wally in ninety nine. The late Charlie Cole is smiling

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01:54:38,520 --> 01:54:40,600
Speaker 11: here in that right, Jake, Yeah.

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01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:43,040
Speaker 1: Telling you they're going to go to the sweet sixteen. Right,

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01:54:43,600 --> 01:54:46,440
Speaker 1: all right, Charlie. Let's get to this. The big story

2237
01:54:46,480 --> 01:54:49,240
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, not involving the Reds at spring training and

2238
01:54:49,320 --> 01:54:53,920
Speaker 1: not involving the suburbian Miami RedHawks, but that is of

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01:54:54,040 --> 01:54:57,280
Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson, who now you know, once again, is in

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Speaker 1: a season. ESPN just had a column of teams that

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01:55:00,280 --> 01:55:02,600
Speaker 1: are players that just could use a change of scenery,

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01:55:03,120 --> 01:55:07,040
Speaker 1: and Trey Hendrickson is a guy whose name continues to

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01:55:07,200 --> 01:55:11,160
Speaker 1: pop up. Question is what does Cincinnati do with them,

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01:55:11,360 --> 01:55:14,000
Speaker 1: including do they tag him? Did they him go into

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01:55:14,040 --> 01:55:16,600
Speaker 1: free and I don't know his Well, obviously he can

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01:55:16,640 --> 01:55:21,000
Speaker 1: go into free agency, sign and trade. Indianapolis has been

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01:55:21,200 --> 01:55:24,760
Speaker 1: rumored and linked to him for a while. Where do

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01:55:24,880 --> 01:55:25,800
Speaker 1: things stand right now?

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01:55:27,200 --> 01:55:29,200
Speaker 11: Well, he's done playing for the Bengals, He's played his

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Speaker 11: last snap. The relationships there on both ends, you know,

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Speaker 11: this has been a back and forth negotiation struggle for

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01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:44,120
Speaker 11: multiple years, and last year was kind of the they

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01:55:44,200 --> 01:55:48,680
Speaker 11: came together on Hendrickson's part, you know, not he wanted

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01:55:48,720 --> 01:55:51,080
Speaker 11: a multi year deal. He just got a pay bump.

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Speaker 11: It's the end of the road here. So they have

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Speaker 11: two options. Let him walk and get a comp pick

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Speaker 11: next year twenty twenty seven, which based on his all

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01:56:00,480 --> 01:56:03,240
Speaker 11: pro status, you know, would come in as high as

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01:56:03,320 --> 01:56:04,240
Speaker 11: a compick.

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Speaker 9: Can you know, be handed down.

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Speaker 11: I believe it's a third rounder potentially best case or

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01:56:11,200 --> 01:56:14,160
Speaker 11: as you said, tag him and try to get maybe

2263
01:56:14,200 --> 01:56:17,000
Speaker 11: the equivalent of that, if not, maybe a little better

2264
01:56:17,680 --> 01:56:20,360
Speaker 11: for this season twenty twenty six picks. So that's what

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01:56:20,480 --> 01:56:21,400
Speaker 11: they have to decide.

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Speaker 9: I think they're going to.

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Speaker 11: Let him walk.

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Speaker 9: I really do.

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Speaker 11: I last the last last year, they tagged t Higgins

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Speaker 11: the Monday after the combine, so keep an eye on

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Speaker 11: that timeline. They're very you know, they're very regimented here.

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Speaker 11: So I expect they go to the combine, they take

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01:56:41,600 --> 01:56:44,320
Speaker 11: a look around to see what if they tag them,

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01:56:44,360 --> 01:56:46,640
Speaker 11: what they may be able to get. But you have

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01:56:46,760 --> 01:56:48,680
Speaker 11: to sit down with three parties if you tag him.

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Speaker 11: Hendrickson's agent, Harold Lewis, the Brown family, led by Duke

2277
01:56:53,720 --> 01:56:57,560
Speaker 11: Tobin and then the third party team and you have

2278
01:56:57,720 --> 01:57:00,520
Speaker 11: to find a deal not only that Hendrickson likes, but

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01:57:00,640 --> 01:57:01,800
Speaker 11: that the Bengals like in.

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Speaker 9: Terms of trade value coming back.

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Speaker 11: I just think the headaches that's been these negotiations, they

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01:57:08,840 --> 01:57:10,200
Speaker 11: want no part of it. And I think at the

2283
01:57:10,280 --> 01:57:11,400
Speaker 11: end of the day, it's going to be a third

2284
01:57:11,480 --> 01:57:15,320
Speaker 11: round pick either way. And my gut says they don't

2285
01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:18,440
Speaker 11: tag them. But I don't know what what's your take

2286
01:57:18,520 --> 01:57:22,440
Speaker 11: with lou An Arumo's ties with Hendrickson, Wow, Lewis would

2287
01:57:22,440 --> 01:57:22,720
Speaker 11: love them.

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01:57:22,960 --> 01:57:26,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Anarumo obviously the President Charlie would be that,

2289
01:57:26,440 --> 01:57:28,360
Speaker 1: you know, there is a loyalty there if you will.

2290
01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:30,680
Speaker 1: And I can't say, you know individually manned a man

2291
01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:34,800
Speaker 1: on that, but yes, I think Chris Ballard is comfortable

2292
01:57:34,880 --> 01:57:38,640
Speaker 1: in delivering Anarumo players with which Anarumo is comfortable, right.

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01:57:39,960 --> 01:57:40,120
Speaker 11: You know.

2294
01:57:40,160 --> 01:57:42,400
Speaker 1: The question then becomes what the asking price is if

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01:57:42,400 --> 01:57:45,800
Speaker 1: it's the third rounder. You know, Ballard is usually very

2296
01:57:45,880 --> 01:57:48,400
Speaker 1: protective of quote draft capital, but they gave up two

2297
01:57:48,400 --> 01:57:49,879
Speaker 1: first rounders to get Sauce Gardner.

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01:57:50,280 --> 01:57:50,600
Speaker 3: Does that?

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Speaker 1: Then the question becomes Charlie does does the fact that

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01:57:54,160 --> 01:57:56,000
Speaker 1: the Colts don't have a first round of the next

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01:57:56,040 --> 01:57:59,960
Speaker 1: two years prioritize them holding on to an early round pick.

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Speaker 1: You know, you got to look at that aspect as well.

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01:58:02,040 --> 01:58:03,680
Speaker 1: But I want to get back to what you said

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01:58:03,720 --> 01:58:06,880
Speaker 1: originally about you know, this being the end of the

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01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:10,760
Speaker 1: road for him in Cincinnati. What is the origin of

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01:58:10,840 --> 01:58:11,280
Speaker 1: that riff?

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Speaker 11: It's just the contract stuff back and forth. He came

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01:58:17,720 --> 01:58:22,600
Speaker 11: into camp last year, obviously sat out because nothing was done,

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01:58:23,040 --> 01:58:27,720
Speaker 11: and you know, called out Zach Taylor for basically threatening

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01:58:27,800 --> 01:58:31,680
Speaker 11: to find him for missing camp. It's just been a

2311
01:58:31,800 --> 01:58:34,720
Speaker 11: slow burn and it's They've had heated arguments.

2312
01:58:34,760 --> 01:58:36,160
Speaker 9: Both sides have talked about it.

2313
01:58:36,960 --> 01:58:39,640
Speaker 11: Not that cooler heads didn't prevail, not that he didn't

2314
01:58:39,880 --> 01:58:42,360
Speaker 11: step on the field last year and was ready to

2315
01:58:42,440 --> 01:58:49,480
Speaker 11: go week one, but it's just past time for both

2316
01:58:49,560 --> 01:58:53,480
Speaker 11: parties to move on. And it's it's sad in one

2317
01:58:53,560 --> 01:58:57,120
Speaker 11: respect because he's the best pass thrusher that they've ever

2318
01:58:57,280 --> 01:59:00,560
Speaker 11: had in terms of when you look at him, his numbers,

2319
01:59:00,640 --> 01:59:03,200
Speaker 11: what he's done in a four year run in Cincinnati,

2320
01:59:03,240 --> 01:59:06,360
Speaker 11: a free agent coming over from the Saints who was

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01:59:06,600 --> 01:59:10,280
Speaker 11: very you know, under the radar. The numbers aren't even

2322
01:59:10,320 --> 01:59:15,000
Speaker 11: close in terms of his production comparatively on an annual basis.

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01:59:15,160 --> 01:59:17,280
Speaker 9: But yeah, it was.

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Speaker 11: It's not a secret in Sinsey that.

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Speaker 9: This is going to be it.

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Speaker 1: Charlie Clifford is the guest. He's on the Java House

2327
01:59:25,600 --> 01:59:27,480
Speaker 1: Cold Brew guest line. To get a reminder, you could

2328
01:59:27,480 --> 01:59:29,560
Speaker 1: go to the Java House app. Be sure to download

2329
01:59:29,600 --> 01:59:31,680
Speaker 1: the app and use to code Jake twenty five to

2330
01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:34,840
Speaker 1: order in advance at any of their Central Indiana or

2331
01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:38,680
Speaker 1: West Lafayette and Lafayette locations. Your food and drag ahead

2332
01:59:38,680 --> 01:59:40,640
Speaker 1: of time twenty five percent off with Jake twenty five

2333
01:59:40,880 --> 01:59:44,440
Speaker 1: when you use the app for Java House. Charlie, the

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01:59:45,640 --> 01:59:49,640
Speaker 1: Bengals are a franchise. I almost feel bad for him,

2335
01:59:49,680 --> 01:59:51,760
Speaker 1: and the reason being, you know, I was in I

2336
01:59:51,920 --> 01:59:54,200
Speaker 1: was covering that game when they played Pittsburgh Mini moon

2337
01:59:54,280 --> 01:59:57,280
Speaker 1: ago when Carson Palmer got hurt, and that was just

2338
01:59:57,720 --> 01:59:59,920
Speaker 1: the window just closed. And I know that that's still

2339
02:00:00,040 --> 02:00:04,120
Speaker 1: probably lingers over Cincinnati. And now you know, Joe Burrow

2340
02:00:04,280 --> 02:00:06,280
Speaker 1: is one of the most elite quarterbacks in the league.

2341
02:00:06,320 --> 02:00:10,360
Speaker 1: But I wonder if just a combination of injury and

2342
02:00:10,960 --> 02:00:14,640
Speaker 1: the things like we're discussing, if the window hasn't already

2343
02:00:14,640 --> 02:00:18,920
Speaker 1: begun to close on the Burrow Cincinnati opportunity as well

2344
02:00:19,080 --> 02:00:21,120
Speaker 1: at a ring. What is the sentiment there?

2345
02:00:22,640 --> 02:00:26,080
Speaker 11: The sentiment is it has not yet, but twenty twenty

2346
02:00:26,160 --> 02:00:28,880
Speaker 11: six is make or break. The last comment Burrow made

2347
02:00:28,880 --> 02:00:31,400
Speaker 11: at the podium this year, following the regular season finale,

2348
02:00:31,520 --> 02:00:34,960
Speaker 11: they lose to the Brown six and ten, a number

2349
02:00:35,000 --> 02:00:38,080
Speaker 11: that he wouldn't even think was possible with him in there.

2350
02:00:38,160 --> 02:00:40,560
Speaker 11: Of course, he missed half the season. He was just

2351
02:00:40,640 --> 02:00:43,040
Speaker 11: asked how big will it be for this team to

2352
02:00:43,120 --> 02:00:45,720
Speaker 11: get on the right track get back to the playoffs

2353
02:00:46,280 --> 02:00:48,800
Speaker 11: in twenty twenty six, and he just did a mic drop.

2354
02:00:49,000 --> 02:00:51,040
Speaker 11: He said, next year is as big as it gets.

2355
02:00:51,240 --> 02:00:54,400
Speaker 11: And that was after about three weeks of comments. On

2356
02:00:54,680 --> 02:00:59,840
Speaker 11: his Wednesday presser where he alluded to a lot of

2357
02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:03,680
Speaker 11: things have crossed his mind as it pertains to his future,

2358
02:01:03,960 --> 02:01:06,440
Speaker 11: he was asked point blank do you see yourself playing

2359
02:01:06,520 --> 02:01:09,440
Speaker 11: anywhere else next season? Then Cincinnati said no, no, I

2360
02:01:09,480 --> 02:01:11,840
Speaker 11: can't see that, And then the follow up was have

2361
02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:15,000
Speaker 11: you ever do you ever see yourself playing anywhere else?

2362
02:01:15,040 --> 02:01:17,000
Speaker 11: And then he just says, you think a lot, You

2363
02:01:17,080 --> 02:01:19,800
Speaker 11: think about a lot of things. That was the direct quote,

2364
02:01:20,480 --> 02:01:24,760
Speaker 11: so he's saying it without saying it. We need to

2365
02:01:24,800 --> 02:01:27,280
Speaker 11: start winning, and they need to put a defense on

2366
02:01:27,360 --> 02:01:31,520
Speaker 11: the field that gives them a chance because the last

2367
02:01:31,560 --> 02:01:33,280
Speaker 11: two years they haven't had that.

2368
02:01:33,440 --> 02:01:33,880
Speaker 9: It's been a.

2369
02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:36,839
Speaker 11: Complete whiff on the defensive side of the ball. Everyone

2370
02:01:37,000 --> 02:01:39,160
Speaker 11: knows it. Burrow knows it, and.

2371
02:01:41,040 --> 02:01:44,240
Speaker 9: You know he's he's the lead voice.

2372
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Speaker 11: And for him to be that blunt about it at

2373
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Speaker 11: the end of the year, I mean, it's it's in

2374
02:01:49,200 --> 02:01:51,920
Speaker 11: all chips in the middle. To quote the late great

2375
02:01:52,600 --> 02:01:54,920
Speaker 11: Jim mersay, you know you're you're all.

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Speaker 3: In in the middle.

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Speaker 9: There you go outside of.

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Speaker 11: The the airplane engine, right.

2379
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Speaker 3: On the farmat that's right with the dog nearby. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I love you, Jim.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, that's where it's at. Though it's you're right. It

2382
02:02:10,600 --> 02:02:14,360
Speaker 11: could be a completely different conversation next year. But you

2383
02:02:14,440 --> 02:02:16,480
Speaker 11: know that goes to there's two sides of the coin.

2384
02:02:16,560 --> 02:02:18,960
Speaker 11: They could also be the team in this kind of

2385
02:02:19,040 --> 02:02:23,560
Speaker 11: now wide open AFC that makes some defensive additions and

2386
02:02:23,760 --> 02:02:27,040
Speaker 11: is back playing for a trip to go to the

2387
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Speaker 11: Big One next year. So they're they're not as far

2388
02:02:29,720 --> 02:02:33,120
Speaker 11: away as the pain that presented itself this year.

2389
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Speaker 9: But at the same time, if they.

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Speaker 11: Can't figure out this defense again, I mean, can you

2391
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Speaker 11: blame Burrow for starting to starting to really push. Am

2392
02:02:43,560 --> 02:02:44,800
Speaker 11: I wasting my career here?

2393
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Speaker 1: But it's not to that point yet, Charlie. Are you

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02:02:48,400 --> 02:02:51,839
Speaker 1: prepared for And I know that opening Day is obviously

2395
02:02:51,920 --> 02:02:55,960
Speaker 1: a big deal in Cincinnati. It's history from the Red standpoint,

2396
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Speaker 1: But this is the year of again the nineteen ninety

2397
02:02:58,960 --> 02:02:59,960
Speaker 1: repeat of wire to wire?

2398
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Speaker 6: Right?

2399
02:03:00,320 --> 02:03:02,520
Speaker 1: Are you already preparing for the preparing for the world

2400
02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:04,800
Speaker 1: tchoops prayer? How do they look at spring training?

2401
02:03:05,400 --> 02:03:08,040
Speaker 9: Oh? We're's sweet, lou Let's do it again.

2402
02:03:08,200 --> 02:03:11,840
Speaker 11: I just was with Eric Davis five minutes ago. He's

2403
02:03:12,160 --> 02:03:16,120
Speaker 11: he's loving it. There's excitement because the Castelinis who owned

2404
02:03:16,160 --> 02:03:18,400
Speaker 11: the team, you know, they bumped up payroll this year

2405
02:03:18,520 --> 02:03:21,840
Speaker 11: at the last minute, bringing in a legit elite home

2406
02:03:21,920 --> 02:03:25,160
Speaker 11: run hitter and au Haaneo Swarz who comes back last

2407
02:03:25,200 --> 02:03:28,920
Speaker 11: year Ellie Dale Cruz twenty two homers, Spencer stear twenty one.

2408
02:03:29,360 --> 02:03:32,200
Speaker 11: That was it for Reds over twenty homers. You know

2409
02:03:32,640 --> 02:03:35,360
Speaker 11: they only had two guys hit more than fifteen and

2410
02:03:35,360 --> 02:03:37,840
Speaker 11: it was those two. So swars who hit fifty two

2411
02:03:38,040 --> 02:03:40,160
Speaker 11: last year if you count the three in the postseason.

2412
02:03:41,360 --> 02:03:44,960
Speaker 11: He's been a jolt Francona is motivated as ever. His

2413
02:03:45,160 --> 02:03:48,200
Speaker 11: mantra this year he delivered in the opening spring training

2414
02:03:48,240 --> 02:03:51,880
Speaker 11: meeting on Monday, was quote, it's time you know the Oh,

2415
02:03:52,120 --> 02:03:52,640
Speaker 11: the Reds.

2416
02:03:52,480 --> 02:03:53,080
Speaker 9: Are nice team.

2417
02:03:53,120 --> 02:03:56,320
Speaker 11: They've got a young, nice starting staff. They've got this

2418
02:03:56,560 --> 02:03:58,680
Speaker 11: Dale Cruise guy who can kind of do it all.

2419
02:04:00,520 --> 02:04:02,800
Speaker 11: You know, now they brought swars right, No, it's time.

2420
02:04:03,160 --> 02:04:07,200
Speaker 11: You know they're they're sounding like a different team. You know,

2421
02:04:07,400 --> 02:04:10,680
Speaker 11: will the offense be there is the question the starting

2422
02:04:10,720 --> 02:04:13,680
Speaker 11: pitching second in war last year in baseball. I mean,

2423
02:04:13,720 --> 02:04:16,000
Speaker 11: they're about as steady as you can come, and that

2424
02:04:16,200 --> 02:04:20,000
Speaker 11: was with Hunter Green missing almost half a start. So hey,

2425
02:04:20,040 --> 02:04:22,160
Speaker 11: if they can hit the ball a little bit around

2426
02:04:22,200 --> 02:04:24,640
Speaker 11: Great American you know, it could be a really fun

2427
02:04:24,720 --> 02:04:27,120
Speaker 11: summer in Cincinnati. You know, how do they stack up

2428
02:04:27,200 --> 02:04:30,720
Speaker 11: against the beast that is the evil Empire out west

2429
02:04:30,760 --> 02:04:31,520
Speaker 11: in Los Angeles?

2430
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Speaker 9: I don't know.

2431
02:04:32,200 --> 02:04:35,600
Speaker 11: But you know, if you just see the players here

2432
02:04:35,720 --> 02:04:38,800
Speaker 11: playing for Francona now in year two, they understand how

2433
02:04:38,960 --> 02:04:44,120
Speaker 11: loose he keeps everybody until the first pitch and then

2434
02:04:44,160 --> 02:04:46,960
Speaker 11: they turn into you know what their manager is, and

2435
02:04:47,040 --> 02:04:49,600
Speaker 11: that is one of the best best skippers in the

2436
02:04:49,720 --> 02:04:52,320
Speaker 11: history of the game. So I think there's reason to

2437
02:04:52,360 --> 02:04:55,000
Speaker 11: be legitimately excited this summer. And that's the first time

2438
02:04:55,040 --> 02:04:57,960
Speaker 11: you can say that here in a long time.

2439
02:04:58,040 --> 02:05:00,880
Speaker 1: And I know you know that it is sixty two

2440
02:05:00,920 --> 02:05:04,200
Speaker 1: degrees and light rain according to the iPhone in goodyear

2441
02:05:04,240 --> 02:05:08,040
Speaker 1: Arizona in Indianapolis right now, Sonny in sixty eight baby,

2442
02:05:08,080 --> 02:05:10,920
Speaker 1: eat your heart out, hey.

2443
02:05:11,080 --> 02:05:12,520
Speaker 9: And I'm glad you have.

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02:05:13,040 --> 02:05:13,200
Speaker 14: Yeah.

2445
02:05:13,280 --> 02:05:15,760
Speaker 11: That was so queery to open the segment of taking

2446
02:05:15,840 --> 02:05:20,440
Speaker 11: bets on when the snow is cleared. I missed the jacisms, man,

2447
02:05:20,600 --> 02:05:23,080
Speaker 11: I really do. And I know you're in good hands

2448
02:05:23,120 --> 02:05:23,680
Speaker 11: there with Eddie.

2449
02:05:23,960 --> 02:05:26,680
Speaker 1: We're glad there's one, right, I mean, you know he

2450
02:05:27,120 --> 02:05:29,800
Speaker 1: got itally on the board. That's right, Charlie. Appreciate the

2451
02:05:29,840 --> 02:05:32,280
Speaker 1: time as always, man. Enjoyed the sun of Arizona, and

2452
02:05:32,920 --> 02:05:34,200
Speaker 1: make sure the Reds are looking good.

2453
02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:37,480
Speaker 11: Likewise, hope Shannon and the crew are doing great and

2454
02:05:37,920 --> 02:05:38,960
Speaker 11: hope to talk against him.

2455
02:05:39,080 --> 02:05:40,160
Speaker 3: Everything's good. Appreciate it.

2456
02:05:40,240 --> 02:05:44,000
Speaker 1: Charlie Clifford joining us on the Java House Coldbrew guest

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Speaker 1: line again. Java House. Go to the website and download

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Speaker 1: to love about that? JMV is in the building. I

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Speaker 1: just saw him. I'm wearing the shirt of his alma mater,

2472
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Speaker 1: Indiana State, because I will be going to Terre Hote

2473
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Speaker 1: tonight to see Indiana State taking on northern Iowa. But

2474
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Speaker 1: we will find out what John's got locked and loaded

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Speaker 3: John.

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Speaker 1: What's on the big program today?

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Speaker 8: Well, most see if I can hook up. You're going

2486
02:06:57,160 --> 02:06:58,240
Speaker 8: to see Indiana State tonight.

2487
02:06:58,320 --> 02:06:58,640
Speaker 3: Correct?

2488
02:06:59,400 --> 02:07:02,360
Speaker 8: Greg Lance is doing whatever siren thing that they do

2489
02:07:02,480 --> 02:07:04,880
Speaker 8: over there before the games, So he's gonna be over there.

2490
02:07:04,880 --> 02:07:06,080
Speaker 8: I'm going to see if I can get him on

2491
02:07:06,120 --> 02:07:08,840
Speaker 8: the show today. So yeah, we'll do that. Talk a

2492
02:07:08,880 --> 02:07:12,400
Speaker 8: little bit about last night. So you think there's any

2493
02:07:12,520 --> 02:07:15,360
Speaker 8: regret at all from from au fans? Have you noticed

2494
02:07:16,280 --> 02:07:20,200
Speaker 8: regarding if they would have made a move a year earlier?

2495
02:07:21,040 --> 02:07:24,160
Speaker 8: And maybe you could have Dusty may you know? Is

2496
02:07:24,160 --> 02:07:25,440
Speaker 8: everybody okay with divrees?

2497
02:07:25,600 --> 02:07:28,160
Speaker 1: Of my I think a little of both. I think

2498
02:07:28,240 --> 02:07:33,400
Speaker 1: people are still cautiously optimistic about divrees, but it is

2499
02:07:33,480 --> 02:07:36,400
Speaker 1: impossible to not wonder why they would not have gone

2500
02:07:36,400 --> 02:07:38,440
Speaker 1: to right, I mean.

2501
02:07:38,440 --> 02:07:40,720
Speaker 8: All part of that Iowa trend. Did you know Iowa,

2502
02:07:41,280 --> 02:07:43,880
Speaker 8: the state of Iowa, they created basketball?

2503
02:07:45,280 --> 02:07:45,720
Speaker 3: That's right?

2504
02:07:46,040 --> 02:07:47,880
Speaker 8: And did you send it to Buchanan all the time?

2505
02:07:47,960 --> 02:07:48,080
Speaker 6: Too?

2506
02:07:48,440 --> 02:07:53,680
Speaker 1: So Fred Hoiberg, Yeah, got into a little scuffle exactly.

2507
02:07:53,680 --> 02:07:56,280
Speaker 8: Right, Hey, seriously, do you think Mick Cronin has ever

2508
02:07:56,320 --> 02:07:57,160
Speaker 8: had his ass whipped?

2509
02:07:57,600 --> 02:07:58,320
Speaker 3: No, he needs to.

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02:07:59,120 --> 02:08:01,120
Speaker 8: I mentioned that off the top of you talk about

2511
02:08:01,120 --> 02:08:02,680
Speaker 8: a little bold pip squeak that.

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02:08:03,320 --> 02:08:04,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, you better?

2513
02:08:04,600 --> 02:08:09,000
Speaker 1: I mean, Eddie, do you have that that audio again

2514
02:08:10,120 --> 02:08:13,040
Speaker 1: of Mick Cronin from yesterday? So this was after the

2515
02:08:13,120 --> 02:08:15,840
Speaker 1: game in Michigan State where UCLA got their doors blown off.

2516
02:08:16,560 --> 02:08:18,800
Speaker 1: They suck any time they're not playing on the West coast.

2517
02:08:19,000 --> 02:08:22,720
Speaker 1: And this was you know, Xavier Booker, who was from

2518
02:08:22,880 --> 02:08:26,840
Speaker 1: Cathedral and is now with UCLA by way of Michigan State,

2519
02:08:27,360 --> 02:08:29,960
Speaker 1: was hearing it from the Michigan State student section yesterday,

2520
02:08:30,000 --> 02:08:34,680
Speaker 1: and afterwards a reporter, oh my gosh, had the audacity

2521
02:08:35,240 --> 02:08:38,600
Speaker 1: to ask Mick Cronin about his reaction to one of

2522
02:08:38,680 --> 02:08:40,880
Speaker 1: his players hearing it from the student section.

2523
02:08:41,000 --> 02:08:42,000
Speaker 3: And here's the exchange.

2524
02:08:42,160 --> 02:08:45,080
Speaker 1: What was your thoughts in the student section, channing Booker's name,

2525
02:08:45,160 --> 02:08:45,640
Speaker 1: I could.

2526
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Speaker 6: Give a rat's ax about the other team's student section.

2527
02:08:48,680 --> 02:08:51,160
Speaker 6: I've just met a overall the way that I would

2528
02:08:51,280 --> 02:08:56,120
Speaker 6: like to give you a kudos for your worst question.

2529
02:08:56,200 --> 02:08:59,000
Speaker 15: I have asked, right, did you.

2530
02:08:59,240 --> 02:09:01,840
Speaker 2: Did you like should take it the preparation of the

2531
02:09:02,080 --> 02:09:03,800
Speaker 2: do you really think I care about the other No,

2532
02:09:04,440 --> 02:09:05,200
Speaker 2: I don't think you care.

2533
02:09:05,120 --> 02:09:05,800
Speaker 3: About the others.

2534
02:09:05,920 --> 02:09:06,840
Speaker 6: Your voice, no, I.

2535
02:09:10,320 --> 02:09:13,160
Speaker 8: Yes, you were everybody's Yeah, I'm raising your voice.

2536
02:09:13,440 --> 02:09:15,920
Speaker 2: This is on camera, they can hear you. I answered

2537
02:09:15,920 --> 02:09:18,000
Speaker 2: the question. I could give a rat's ask about the

2538
02:09:18,040 --> 02:09:22,160
Speaker 2: other team students section I coach UCLA. I don't care

2539
02:09:22,200 --> 02:09:25,440
Speaker 2: about in Michigan State students who cares.

2540
02:09:26,560 --> 02:09:27,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that's a dude.

2541
02:09:27,800 --> 02:09:29,960
Speaker 3: That that I mean what.

2542
02:09:31,440 --> 02:09:35,240
Speaker 1: He does not look or sound like someone that understands

2543
02:09:35,320 --> 02:09:36,840
Speaker 1: the pressure of the big time job.

2544
02:09:37,200 --> 02:09:40,960
Speaker 8: And that's you're pulling that stuff off. And you're not

2545
02:09:41,080 --> 02:09:41,720
Speaker 8: Danny Hurley.

2546
02:09:42,080 --> 02:09:42,400
Speaker 3: Correct.

2547
02:09:42,440 --> 02:09:44,200
Speaker 8: If you want to be Danny Hurley, you better go

2548
02:09:44,240 --> 02:09:46,320
Speaker 8: out and win like Danny Hurley. And believe me, Mike

2549
02:09:46,360 --> 02:09:48,440
Speaker 8: Cronan is won. And I think Mike Cronan is a

2550
02:09:48,480 --> 02:09:52,080
Speaker 8: good coach. Why in this world, outside of the money

2551
02:09:52,240 --> 02:09:54,720
Speaker 8: you would get and the fact that you live in

2552
02:09:54,960 --> 02:09:57,200
Speaker 8: LA in southern California, why would you want to play

2553
02:09:57,240 --> 02:09:57,760
Speaker 8: for that dude?

2554
02:09:58,040 --> 02:09:59,960
Speaker 3: Why in this world, in this landscape.

2555
02:10:00,760 --> 02:10:03,280
Speaker 8: Other than those two things, which are pretty big, How

2556
02:10:03,280 --> 02:10:05,240
Speaker 8: about the fact that he had a player in the

2557
02:10:05,320 --> 02:10:08,040
Speaker 8: game that yes, there was a hard, questionable foul late,

2558
02:10:08,120 --> 02:10:10,240
Speaker 8: but then he makes a huge scene out of embarrassing

2559
02:10:10,280 --> 02:10:13,120
Speaker 8: the guy by kicking him out of the game. Come on, man,

2560
02:10:13,240 --> 02:10:14,600
Speaker 8: well he couldn't figure out what to do with that

2561
02:10:14,720 --> 02:10:17,840
Speaker 8: Mara kid a year ago, and Dusty has seemed to

2562
02:10:17,880 --> 02:10:21,200
Speaker 8: figure out how to utilize him, to say the least, right, it.

2563
02:10:21,360 --> 02:10:22,400
Speaker 3: Was so different.

2564
02:10:22,800 --> 02:10:26,400
Speaker 8: So and again in you can you can act like

2565
02:10:26,480 --> 02:10:29,600
Speaker 8: that because we know that you certain ways if you

2566
02:10:29,680 --> 02:10:32,800
Speaker 8: win at a certain level, but if you don't, then

2567
02:10:32,800 --> 02:10:34,040
Speaker 8: it's going to be viewed just like that.

2568
02:10:34,440 --> 02:10:38,680
Speaker 1: And again the the narrative of I'm going to wind

2569
02:10:38,720 --> 02:10:41,560
Speaker 1: about how hard the scheduling is at U c l A. Yeah,

2570
02:10:41,640 --> 02:10:43,960
Speaker 1: who didn't see that coming. Everyone knew that was going

2571
02:10:44,000 --> 02:10:46,440
Speaker 1: to be a challenge. But all right, John's up next.

2572
02:10:46,520 --> 02:10:49,880
Speaker 1: Greg Lansing, Indiana State. I believe, Iowa.

2573
02:10:50,240 --> 02:10:50,720
Speaker 3: I believe.

2574
02:10:50,800 --> 02:10:54,440
Speaker 8: So, okay, say travels at the thh the night you're

2575
02:10:54,440 --> 02:10:56,720
Speaker 8: going to Mangers. Before that, you're going to Mangers or

2576
02:10:56,840 --> 02:10:58,160
Speaker 8: going to Valley who pizza came before?

2577
02:10:58,200 --> 02:10:59,600
Speaker 3: Actually I don't know where I'm going ahead of time.

2578
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Speaker 1: My buddy it is working over in terre Hoe today,

2579
02:11:01,680 --> 02:11:04,120
Speaker 1: so I'm meeting him over there, and I think we're

2580
02:11:04,160 --> 02:11:06,320
Speaker 1: actually going to go and pay our respects to Tony

2581
02:11:06,360 --> 02:11:09,480
Speaker 1: Holman's resting place. Oh nice. And then I got a

2582
02:11:09,480 --> 02:11:11,560
Speaker 1: little pregame Delio that I'm doing that I can talk

2583
02:11:11,560 --> 02:11:12,240
Speaker 1: about tomorrow.

2584
02:11:13,360 --> 02:11:14,760
Speaker 3: So I got to be there about six fifteen at

2585
02:11:14,800 --> 02:11:16,920
Speaker 3: the Arena, So I look forward to it. That's awesome.

2586
02:11:17,080 --> 02:11:18,200
Speaker 8: That'll be a fun time, man.

2587
02:11:18,240 --> 02:11:18,920
Speaker 9: I love me.

2588
02:11:19,000 --> 02:11:22,560
Speaker 8: I'm going over for their final regular season game in

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Speaker 8: less than a month.

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Speaker 3: I hope they win tonight, but we'll see.

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Speaker 1: All right, John's up next, and I will be talking

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Speaker 1: with you at noon tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to Quearying Company.