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Speaker 1: Joining us on the Java House Colbrew Coffee guest line.

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Speaker 1: He is with the Big Ten Network as they get

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Speaker 1: set to get underway, because everything getting underway and starting

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Speaker 1: tonight for the Big Ten Tournament, Oregon and Maryland and

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Speaker 1: then Northwestern and Penn State are the openers. And Dave

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Speaker 1: Revsen joining us now to talk about that and more. Dave,

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Speaker 1: Happy March to you.

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Speaker 2: Oh Man. So excited, Jake. This is for us. This

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Speaker 2: is kind of our super Bowl, as I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: these are the biggest live events that we have on

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Speaker 2: our air every year, you know, starting tomorrow night as

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Speaker 2: the first set of games for us, and then Thursday

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Speaker 2: and Friday all day. So just get so excited about it.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's going to be an amazing tournament

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Speaker 2: this year. The quality at the top of this league

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Speaker 2: is kind of staggering. There's some really good teams.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, Dave.

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Speaker 1: When you think about the fact that Purdue, who was

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Speaker 1: think anybody had to Purdue any lower than say the

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Speaker 1: top five to begin the college basketball season. Yet they're

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Speaker 1: the seventh seed in the Big Ten Tournament, which is

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Speaker 1: amazing to think about I want to get to that

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Speaker 1: in a second. By the way, Oregon, Maryland, Northwestern, Penn State,

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Speaker 1: those are the opening games, those on Peacock, But then

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Speaker 1: everything gets set for the Big Ten Network tomorrow. As

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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, Peacock is well involved, but Big

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Speaker 1: Ten Network will have all of the coverage before and

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Speaker 1: after games. Dave, let's begin with this. When you look

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Speaker 1: at this conference and the vast nature of it.

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Speaker 3: We've talked a little bit about this, but for.

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Speaker 1: The teams that will represent the Big Ten in the

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Speaker 1: NCAA tournament, is there a style of play that if

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Speaker 1: you've gone through the riggers of the Big Ten that

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Speaker 1: you have not yet seen? How many different kind of

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Speaker 1: styles of play do you think have been represented over

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Speaker 1: the course of the year. And I guess the reason

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Speaker 1: I'm asking that is is to say, if you're coming

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it just depends on the team. But

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Speaker 2: to your broader point, Jake, the differences in style, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I do think we always kind of paint with a broadbrush,

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Speaker 2: and you know, the Big Ten was physical and was

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Speaker 2: there were different styles for sure, But I mean you

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Speaker 2: Nebraska shoots a ton of threes as well, I U

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Speaker 2: teams that more than half their shots come from behind

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Speaker 2: more methodical styles. I mean, Minnesota attempts the fewest shots

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything you want have seen because

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Speaker 1: You know, what do you think is the Dave Rebsen's

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Speaker 1: What's been the missing ingredient for Purdue?

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Speaker 3: What's weird though, Dave, thirty games in a row.

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Speaker 1: You know the thing that to me, that's perplexing, And

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Speaker 1: And it wouldn't be the first time for you to

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Speaker 1: have to say, Jake, that's a dumb theory.

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Speaker 1: But but their perimeter guard, you know, their perimeter play defensively,

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Speaker 2: I guess I don't know enough to know, right. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think it's obvious in watching them, and certainly and

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Speaker 2: then again that puts them in weird spots where to

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Speaker 2: They weren't a good defensive team last year either. I mean,

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Speaker 2: So I think that's part of it too. I think

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Speaker 2: you had like Lance Show. Obviously you ad Edie, but

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Speaker 2: it's obvious at this point that that's what it is.

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Speaker 2: And so can you fix it? You know? I just

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Speaker 2: your point earlier, I just don't see it right now.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to be wrong, but I don't see it.

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Speaker 1: Dave rebson my guest Big Ten Network, where you can

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Speaker 1: see his coverage and all of their coverage for the

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Speaker 1: Big Ten tournament. All right, Dave, the team in the

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Speaker 1: Right But the team that you look at and you say,

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not great at answering questions, just because I've

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Speaker 2: spent the last twenty years asking similar questions to DeNardo

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go with two I'm gonna say Michigan State,

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Speaker 2: they're shooting the ball better than they did last year

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Speaker 2: They're better this year by about five percentage points and

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Speaker 2: their bigs are better. So to me, they're one team.

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Speaker 2: The other is Wisconsin. I'm a little reticence totally get

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Speaker 4: I have?

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Speaker 1: I'm set for push alerts. They make their money off me.

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Speaker 1: They have t shirts everywhere that say Miami was a

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Speaker 1: Stephen latest as of right now, Colt's free agency is what.

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Speaker 5: a very serious injury. So I do think there's at

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Speaker 5: least a little bit of possibility that this guy's not

435
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Speaker 5: ready to start the season. I mean, you at least

436
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,400
Speaker 5: have to leave open the possibility, right that is at minimum,

437
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Speaker 5: which you have how you have to operate here. So

438
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Speaker 5: that being the case, I think you have to really

439
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Speaker 5: be sure that Riley can step up if he needs

440
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Speaker 5: to play a couple of games. But everything that I've

441
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Speaker 5: heard suggests to me that they believe that, and so

442
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Speaker 5: we'll see if that changes. But I'm operating under the

443
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Speaker 5: assumption that Riley Leonard will get the call.

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Speaker 3: Is there any market for Anthony Richardson?

445
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Speaker 5: It's not a big one, but I think to really

446
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Speaker 5: answer that question, we just we need the rest of

447
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 5: these quarterback dominoes to fall, and they are falling. You know,

448
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 5: you saw Tua obviously wind up in in Atlanta. You

449
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 5: know what happens with Kyler Murray for example. Or there's

450
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Speaker 5: there's a few dominoes that got to fall before you

451
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Speaker 5: get to Anthony Richardson. He's just further down the pecking

452
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Speaker 5: order that he just is. Right, So it remains possible

453
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Speaker 5: there's not going to be a trademarket like that's a

454
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Speaker 5: real possibility here. So I don't want anybody to to to.

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Speaker 3: Expect or assume.

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Speaker 5: That they're going to get you know, a pick of

457
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Speaker 5: some value, they may not, right. I mean, if enough

458
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Speaker 5: other domino fall at quarterback, then then you don't have

459
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Speaker 5: really a market that materializes there. And there are some drawbacks,

460
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Speaker 5: right the injuries certainly up and down performance. There's upside

461
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Speaker 5: because he's still twenty four, and you know there's a

462
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Speaker 5: lot more that you can maybe tap into. I get

463
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Speaker 5: all that, but you know there's It really boils down

464
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Speaker 5: to how many teams are interested and willing to overlook

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Speaker 5: the downsides. So that's just the reality of it.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 5: What I'd say is that I do think there's a

468
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Speaker 5: couple opportunities. One is right now as these free agency

469
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Speaker 5: moves sort of pan out. The other is closer to

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Speaker 5: the draft or even during the draft. And we've seen

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Speaker 5: a lot of deals happen even for quarterbacks around draft time.

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Speaker 5: So maybe you're a team that goes into the draft

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Speaker 5: hoping you can land a quarterback, Maybe you don't get one,

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Speaker 5: you know, maybe a quarterback who can compete, and maybe

475
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Speaker 5: if you don't get him, or you don't get the

476
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Speaker 5: guy you want, then you become a player for Anthony Richardson, Right.

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Speaker 5: So I just think it just depends on on on

478
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Speaker 5: what the landscape is and those other moves that that

479
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Speaker 5: need to happen first.

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Speaker 1: So if they do not find a suitor for Anthony Richardson, period, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what happens.

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Speaker 5: I think they cut him. That I believe they will

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Speaker 5: cut him. Yes, it it's not you know, it's not

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Speaker 5: what It's not the ending that anybody would want. I mean,

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Speaker 5: for the colds, you're saying it didn't work and we

486
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Speaker 5: give up, right, which is a bad look for them.

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Speaker 5: For the player, you know, you don't like getting cut. However,

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Speaker 5: I'd say this, if you're if you're Anthony Richardson, that

489
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Speaker 5: might be a better option because then you're not inhibited

490
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Speaker 5: by trying to, you know, work a deal or anything.

491
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Speaker 5: You can just go wherever you want, right So so

492
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Speaker 5: that might that might not be the worst outcome for

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Speaker 5: Anthony Richardson. But I do believe both sides have agreed

494
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Speaker 5: that this thing has run its course. You know, we

495
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Speaker 5: could argue about whether they should have waited to make

496
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Speaker 5: that decision. I think from a pure football perspective, from

497
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Speaker 5: a pure business perspective, they maybe should have waited till

498
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Speaker 5: the dust settled with with Daniel Jones and until they're

499
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Speaker 5: sure about maybe more sore about his timeline and all

500
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Speaker 5: of that. But I also think what's happening here is

501
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Speaker 5: they don't want to hold him hostage, and so to

502
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Speaker 5: some extent, they're doing him a favor. They are doing

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Speaker 5: him a favor by allowing him to look around and

504
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Speaker 5: to gauge interest and at least sending the signal to

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Speaker 5: him that you're going to be able to go out

506
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Speaker 5: there and start anew somewhere else.

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Speaker 3: Are the Colts still in play for Trey Hendrickson?

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Speaker 5: The million dollar questions? Well, really it's a lot more

509
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Speaker 5: than a million. It's I don't know, maybe like thirty million.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, but I haven't gotten a good read

511
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Speaker 5: on it. To be completely honest, there's not really any

512
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Speaker 5: read on Trey Hendrickson. I mean, do we have any

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Speaker 5: sense who's in on him? I don't, you know, and

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Speaker 5: I'm not.

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Speaker 3: There have been a couple teams linked, but I don't,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, right.

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Speaker 5: But I mean we're not you know, why hasn't anything happened, right?

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Speaker 5: I mean that kind of thing, right, We've seen, We've

519
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Speaker 5: seen a lot of the big dominoes have fallen in

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Speaker 5: free agency already. I believe Adam Schefter. My colleague was

521
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Speaker 5: made mention that that this might take a little bit,

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Speaker 5: you know, that he might take his time in making

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Speaker 5: a decision. He clearly is by virtue of him holding

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Speaker 5: out last year. I mean, he's not a guy that

525
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Speaker 5: is unwilling to play hardball, very clearly, okay, And I'm

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Speaker 5: not against it. I mean, I'm all for players making

527
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Speaker 5: as much money as possible. I'm just giving you the

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Speaker 5: landscape here. I think that's a reality, is that he

529
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Speaker 5: is willing to drag this out from all appearances, I

530
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Speaker 5: think for the Colts, and we are not sure on

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Speaker 5: their level of interest. Were they interested last season when

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Speaker 5: he was on the market, when the Bengals were at

533
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Speaker 5: least entertaining offers, are considering they were interested. Yes, the

534
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Speaker 5: asking price on the trade was too high. They just

535
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Speaker 5: they it was a non starter for the Colts, so

536
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Speaker 5: it didn't go anywhere. Okay, So that's what happened there. Now,

537
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Speaker 5: of course, now you can just sign them out right,

538
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Speaker 5: you don't have to worry about that. And that being said,

539
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Speaker 5: he's had another injury, he's a year older. I would

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Speaker 5: have trepidation, That's all I'm saying. Depending on the cost

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Speaker 5: it all bloils down the costs, right, and what are

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Speaker 5: the guarantees? What are my protections? Excuse me? I think

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Speaker 5: you'd have to really deliberate over that. As much as

544
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Speaker 5: they do need to help, all I'm saying is they

545
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Speaker 5: can't be reckless here. Look, they're going to lay out

546
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Speaker 5: a ton of cash day one cash for Alec Pearce,

547
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Speaker 5: presumably Daniel Jones. I mean a quarterback contract of that

548
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Speaker 5: value is going to have a big signing bonus. And

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Speaker 5: then to also throw into that pot Trey Hendrickson, who

550
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Speaker 5: would want a big signing bonus? You're a top talking

551
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Speaker 5: about a ton of cold hard cash. Forget about the

552
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Speaker 5: signing the salary cap, that's not even important. They can

553
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Speaker 5: they can tweak that, they can fake that. It's bs anyway.

554
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Speaker 5: It's the cash that you've got to dole out with

555
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Speaker 5: that check on day one. That's a big check to write,

556
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Speaker 5: or several checks. So I think that's the key factor

557
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Speaker 5: there for me. Do they have the stomach for something

558
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Speaker 5: like that?

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Speaker 1: How does Alec Pierce as a receiver? Stephen Holder, my

560
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Speaker 1: guests from ESPN, How does Alec Pierce as a receiver

561
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Speaker 1: change without Michael Pittman Jr.

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Speaker 3: On the field.

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Speaker 5: A fair amount. I think I would I would expect

564
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Speaker 5: his role is a pretty good bit. And here's how

565
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Speaker 5: A lot of a lot of the time last year,

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Speaker 5: earlier in past years, Alex Pierce a majority of his

567
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Speaker 5: work in the field. Now he seems to run a

568
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Speaker 5: lot abouts because otherwise you're not getting you're not getting

569
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Speaker 5: the stout of Valley Pierce because that's vulturous. But he's

570
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Speaker 5: gonna have to run a bigger route for this and

571
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Speaker 5: he can do it. I saw him this year, I think,

572
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Speaker 5: really expand his route diversity and be very effective in

573
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Speaker 5: the middle of the field in traffic, against contested, contested throws.

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Speaker 5: I liked what I saw there, and I think there's

575
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Speaker 5: more on the bone. I think he can he can

576
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Speaker 5: go to another level there. He's gonna get more opportunities,

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Speaker 5: no question about it. He was fourth on this team

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Speaker 5: in targets last season, fourth okay, behind Pittman, Tyler Warren

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Speaker 5: and Josh Downs. Now, I'm not saying he's gonna double

580
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Speaker 5: his targets or anything, but he's definitely gonna see a

581
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Speaker 5: big increase. And the question is going to be what

582
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Speaker 5: can he do with those? Now? A lot of the time,

583
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Speaker 5: Michael Pittman was getting plays drawn up for him that

584
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Speaker 5: were schemed up, and you see them. You know, there

585
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 5: were plays that were meant to go to him. A

586
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Speaker 5: lot of the time with with Pierce, they may dial

587
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Speaker 5: up a shot play for him, but oftentimes it is

588
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Speaker 5: dependent on coverage or this or that, and you know

589
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Speaker 5: what's the front all these different things, right, can you

590
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Speaker 5: protect all these things? I think he'll have to rely

591
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Speaker 5: less on those aspects and maybe they can scheme him

592
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Speaker 5: up a little more to get him more involved in games,

593
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Speaker 5: you know, where he maybe doesn't touch the ball as

594
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Speaker 5: much last, but I think you have to otherwise, why

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Speaker 5: the hell are you paying him twenty nine million dollars?

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Speaker 1: Stephen Finally, non Trey Hendrickson, non Daniel Jones department, you

597
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Speaker 1: are keeping your eye on what Colt's story here over

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Speaker 1: the next couple of days.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think I think it's the defenses is really

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Speaker 5: for me, the whole ball of backs. I mean, I

601
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Speaker 5: think offensively, we didn't have real big questions about that

602
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Speaker 5: beyond Daniel Jones health. Right, even by subtracting Michael Pittman.

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying nothing, it's nothing, but I think they

604
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 5: can account for that, right. The question for me is

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Speaker 5: do you walk out of this free agency period feeling

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Speaker 5: like you have made progress on defense? You know, I

607
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 5: know a lot of fans were really over Zira Franklin,

608
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Speaker 5: But I mean subtracting Zire Franklin doesn't make you better, right,

609
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Speaker 5: I mean you have to. You got to do something.

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Speaker 5: They have to come out of this feeling like they

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Speaker 5: have made progress. You can't do it all in the draft.

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Speaker 5: You just cannot. So you talked about getting younger and faster. Okay,

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Speaker 5: now you got to do it. So I think the

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00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 5: pressure's on there. I think there's a lot of pressure

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00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 5: frankly on Chris Ballard to accomplish that. Otherwise they still

616
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Speaker 5: have a lot of the same problems they had last year.

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Speaker 1: Stevenholder ESPN dot com and he's on the Java House

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Speaker 1: Cold Brew Coffee guest line.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate it as always, Steven, all right, you got it.

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Speaker 1: I'd Stephen Holder joining us on the program, Dustin Doepirak

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Speaker 1: joining us now on the Java House Cold Brew Coffee

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Speaker 1: Guests Did I say the last it's Dustin.

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Speaker 4: Here act?

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Speaker 1: Thank you joining us now, Pacers and Kings tonight and

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Speaker 1: Dustin this late into the season. Is this the first

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Speaker 1: time that you have covered a game where it's pretty

627
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: clear that both teams are begging the other to win.

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Speaker 4: No, it's like a third and like a month.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess you're right, right, And and those others

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Speaker 1: the Pacers managed to win by losing, right.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think they've successfully lost all of them. I

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Speaker 4: believe well no, well, right, no, that's right, No they did.

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Speaker 4: They haven't lost all of them. I didn't go to Brooklyn,

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Speaker 4: but they beat Brooklyn.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I forgot about that.

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Speaker 1: But they had Washington twice and Dallas where they got

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Speaker 1: the job done, right.

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Speaker 4: Yes, indeed, and Utah prior to the break. Is that

639
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Speaker 4: it I'm trying to think of there's another one. I

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Speaker 4: forgetting one. Oh Memphis.

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Speaker 3: You forget that. Memphis is that bad? Right? Yeah?

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00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 4: Memphis is that bad?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

644
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Speaker 1: And I know that this gets into a dangerous area

645
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Speaker 1: because it gets confusing very quickly. But the reality is

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Speaker 1: this in terms of because for the Pacers, they need

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Speaker 1: and I'm trying to think of how I can word

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Speaker 1: this because I suck at math. Okay, Yeah, the Pacers

649
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: have to select, but go ahead?

650
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 3: What's that?

651
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 4: Go ahead? I was I was not necessarily agreeing, I

652
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 4: don't know how good you are or not a mask Well.

653
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 3: I'm terrible.

654
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: But so the Pacers have to have the first, second, third,

655
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: or fourth pick in the draft in order to retain

656
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: their pick that we know, okay, correct, The odds of

657
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 1: them landing in the top four begin to drastically slide

658
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: if they don't finish in the bottom what.

659
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 4: I guess you would say drastic at five. So the

660
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 4: top the top three, the worst three records are all

661
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,479
Speaker 4: fourteen percent for number one overall, fifty two point one

662
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 4: percent for top four. I'm looking at the Tankathon simulator

663
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 4: odds there. Fourth, if you're the fourth worst record, it's

664
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 4: forty eight point one percent chance of being top four,

665
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 4: twelve point five for being number one. If you're fifth,

666
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 4: you're forty two point one percent at top four, ten

667
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 4: point five for number one. Six is thirty seven.

668
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: Point So they need to be so right now, they're

669
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: safe if they're top three suck right, sure.

670
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, but it's not bad if you're fourth or fifth,

671
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 4: but you're you're better off being top three.

672
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: But there is not a difference in terms of their

673
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: odds of drafting within the top four. Those numbers or

674
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: those odds do not change regardless of whether they're the first, second, third, or.

675
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 3: Fourth worst team.

676
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: Correct correct, Okay, so they just got to stay in

677
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: that bottom four is what we're getting at.

678
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 3: So with that, who is in and who's out tonight?

679
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 4: Siakam's out, McConnell's out, Nemar is doubtful, which means he's

680
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 4: probably out obviously for Ify and al Burner out, Zoo

681
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 4: botches out, and I think that's it. Jarris Walker dinged

682
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 4: up his ankle a little bit, but he's probable. So

683
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 4: so in they're probably looking at a Cam Jones Quentin

684
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 4: Jackson's starting backcourt or or or either Quentin Quentin Jackson

685
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 4: or Cam Jones and Ben Shephard, uh Walker, Mee Smith.

686
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 4: Jay Huff is probably you're starting five.

687
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 3: Okay. So after that, God no, I was gonna say,

688
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 3: so the.

689
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: You know, Jay Huff, for example, you know, continues to

690
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: get minutes.

691
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 3: We wonder when Zubox will.

692
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 4: Name Jay Huff. Jay Huff has in this the game,

693
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 4: which is amazing.

694
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: You know what, I kind of like Jay Huff, Like

695
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: I think Jay Huff, you know, honestly, I think Jay Huff.

696
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: If there's a silver lining in this year. Okay, I'm

697
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: thinking of too. We're gonna see how good a mind

698
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: where you are does. If there's if there's a silver

699
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: lining in this season, it's that these two players, I

700
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: think have started to show that once everybody's back in

701
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: the mix a year and a half from now whatever,

702
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: that they absolutely are steady rotation and spot starting guys

703
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: that you can count on.

704
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 3: Those two are.

705
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 4: If one is Jay Hoff, the others jeris Walker.

706
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 3: Correct, would you agree with both those?

707
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 4: Yeah? And one hundred percent. I mean I think the

708
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 4: you know right now, I think you would play probably

709
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 4: both Potter and Huff behind Zubach as backup fives. I

710
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 4: think both of those guys are capable and they each

711
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 4: give you something different, So it's really it can depend

712
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 4: on matchups. But Huff gives you a guy that can

713
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 4: step out and shoot threes, and you know that's got

714
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 4: some real jump, you know, just real leap to him,

715
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 4: where Zubac is just solid. So those two play offs

716
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 4: of each other. But I think if you've got that,

717
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 4: there are guys they've come off the benches five that

718
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 4: you wouldn't use Puff four, that Michael Potter is a

719
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 4: better fit for you. Know, Michah Potter, I think steps

720
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 4: into the Tony Bradley. This is the guy who deals

721
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 4: with Mitchell Robinson and and all of his ilk like

722
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 4: at this point or role at this point. But you know, Walker,

723
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 4: I think the last what two months has been really

724
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 4: basically what everybody was waiting for. You know, it looks

725
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 4: a little odd just because they haven't been winning. And

726
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 4: you know, if if you're not watching this team closely

727
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 4: because they're not winning, you're not necessarily seeing all of it.

728
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 4: And you're also thinking, okay, well, what of that is

729
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 4: empty calories and just stats because somebody has to play

730
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 4: and somebody has to put points on the board. But

731
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 4: I think when you're watching on a daily basis, you

732
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 4: can see real, real growth plays with a lot more force.

733
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 4: You know, gets downhill off the dribble. You're just seeing

734
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 4: him you basically just use the physical gifts that he

735
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 4: has in a way that he hasn't before, you know,

736
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 4: playing with the you know, to use ra Carlos one

737
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 4: of his favorite terms, force, you know, getting downhill, you know,

738
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 4: driving the ball, you know, just really playing with forces

739
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 4: around the rim belt of just playing solid, pretty steady defense.

740
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 4: Still see some issues with I mean they also shooting

741
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 4: the ball really well from outside, still see some issues turnovers.

742
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 4: He's the type that you're you're going to see some

743
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 4: just absolutely gorgeous passes from him and then suddenly you're like,

744
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 4: what were you trying to do there? But all the same,

745
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 4: the entire level for him has risen pretty pretty dramatically,

746
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 4: I think over the course of this year. And you know,

747
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 4: I think regardless of who they who they draft could

748
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 4: make an impact, you know, depending on you know, I

749
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 4: think he's got a better chance of being in you know,

750
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 4: the starting small forward rule, not starting back up small

751
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 4: forward rule. If you draft Peterson, then maybe de Bonsa,

752
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 4: de Bonca kind of shakes things up a little bit.

753
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 4: But for the most part, I think Walkers is put

754
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 4: himself in a pretty steady position that he's a rotation

755
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 4: guy next year.

756
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: Hey, for what reason was Michael Potter available? In other words,

757
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: I think he's played really well. He can shoot, I mean,

758
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: he's got a nice shot, he's pretty active. He seems

759
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: to be a really smart rebounder, if that may if

760
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: if there's such a thing, And I'm just surprised that

761
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: he was readily available and that somebody else had not

762
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: gotten him into their rotation.

763
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think that there are arson flaws there.

764
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 4: I mean, he's not a great pick and roll defender,

765
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 4: for instance. I mean, I think that's the thing that

766
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 4: stands out. You know, he's a little bit slow floated,

767
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 4: So if you're bringing him into actions a whole lot,

768
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 4: that's an area that he can get exposed. So I

769
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 4: imagine if you see that enough, then that stands out

770
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 4: to you. But yeah, I mean to your point, he's

771
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 4: shooting forty one point four percent from the floor. Uh,

772
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 4: you know, rebounding at a really good rate. I got

773
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 4: to see his per thirty six and pulling up his

774
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 4: basketball reference page right here, but it's I mean, it's good.

775
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 4: Was he per thirty six? He's at eight point five rebounds? Uh,

776
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 4: he had eleven point one at Utah. And you know,

777
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 4: I mean he's obviously been in some weird spaces as

778
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 4: far as just having an opportunity to step in. I

779
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 4: do think the Team USA experience helped him out a

780
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 4: whole lot. But I think he just missed making San

781
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 4: Antonio's roster. You know, they've got certainly some guys at

782
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 4: the five, you know, certainly, you know, wemb for one,

783
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 4: But you know, Luke Cornett and I think some other

784
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 4: bodies that are pretty useful, you know, at the five

785
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 4: and he was he ended up on the G League

786
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 4: squad on the Austin Spurs. So I think he's he's

787
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 4: in that. He like, he's in that realm of fives

788
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 4: that are going to go back and forth. He's basically

789
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 4: to you know, to borrow a baseball term, he's kind

790
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 4: of a quadruple A guy, but that means that means

791
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 4: he can play for a lot of people. And he

792
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 4: is shooting a lot better. I mean, if he shot

793
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 4: the thirty one point six percent for Utah last year,

794
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 4: he's at forty one point four percent I mean from

795
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 4: three uh this year, so's he's been a lot more

796
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 4: effective shooting the basketball from outside than he was a

797
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 4: year ago. So I think that's that that's a significant

798
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 4: step that he's made. And I think some of it

799
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 4: comes from being able to play more. You know, it's

800
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 4: been passing the ball really well. I mean, I think

801
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 4: he's had more of an opportunity to show out. But

802
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 4: I think part of it, I think was just he's

803
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 4: the type of guy that can get caught in the

804
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 4: numbers game because he's going to be a third center

805
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 4: wherever he's at, and I think stan Antonio might have

806
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 4: just had too many guys for him to be one

807
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 4: of them.

808
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 1: You know, the Sacramento I've only Dustin driven through it

809
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: kind of around it for that matter. I'm always fascinated

810
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: by this rich na I used to do a really

811
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: good job when he would be opening this time of

812
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: year when the NCAA tournament would come about in Indiana,

813
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: or Purdue would get seated to some you know, out

814
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: weirder city or whatever else, he would always do a

815
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: story to kind of give you a feel or a

816
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 1: taste of the city where he was. Sacramento has got

817
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: to be the NBA city that the fewest people have

818
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: actually visited, honestly, what's it like like? Is downtown Sacramento

819
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: similar to downtown Indie, Smaller, bigger, same feel.

820
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 4: It's a similar feel part of it because it's the

821
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 4: state capitol and it doesn't feel like the other California

822
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 4: city is much at all. But you know, it's relatively

823
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 4: nice weather. I'm trying to trying to piece this all together,

824
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 4: so I always stay at the same For some reason,

825
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 4: this place is like affordable, but nice.

826
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Howard Johnson, though, I'm like.

827
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 4: There's a yeah, the Haffard Johnson. Oh my god, in trouble.

828
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 4: But yeah, So I'm like a quarter mile from where

829
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 4: the A's are playing their games now, which is interesting,

830
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 4: Like you can see some level, like if you watch

831
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 4: an A's game on Emialti because god knows, they're never

832
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 4: going to be on national television, but you know, you

833
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 4: can see some of the surrounding area and it's it's

834
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 4: it's pretty random because it's the Triple A ball field,

835
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 4: but that they're just repurposing for the A's right now

836
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 4: is they're in transition to Vegas. But it's you know,

837
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 4: like the area of westac is fine. There's some sort

838
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 4: of sketchy territory. I'm like, I don't know, I'm like

839
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 4: right by a bowling alley and like three much sketchier hotels.

840
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 4: But you so there's this big sort of like, uh,

841
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 4: let me see here. There's uh, there's a bridge that

842
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 4: goes across the Sacramento River that's it's a little bit iconic. Basically,

843
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 4: it's got like just sort of big and yellow and

844
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 4: like on the other side of it, they have this

845
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 4: sort of like old Sacramento area. That's like it's like

846
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 4: kind of it's got like an old Western feel, you

847
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 4: know to it that I mean, I think they sort

848
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 4: of build this stuff up. I don't know how much

849
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 4: of it is sort of original and how much of

850
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 4: it is And it's a little touristy, but it's like

851
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 4: sort of right on the river there. And then when

852
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 4: you keep going on like the Capitol Mall Road, I

853
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 4: mean you you run right into the California State Capitol

854
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 4: and everything there is sort of what you expect, you know,

855
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 4: in terms of what's around a capitol building. A lot

856
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 4: of stuff that's just you know, sort of there to

857
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 4: cater to, you know, government employees, you know, state congress people,

858
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 4: that kind of thing. You know, your capital grills you're

859
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 4: pretty pretty high end, you know, but chain restaurants, you know,

860
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 4: that sort of thing. And so, I mean it's it's pretty.

861
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 4: It looks nice, but it is there's a lot of

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Speaker 4: Indie It is the closest thing to what would happen

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Speaker 4: if you just picked up Indianapolis and put it in California.

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Speaker 4: It's the closest thing to what that would be.

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Speaker 1: It is basically halfway between San Francisco, and Tahoe that

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Speaker 1: much I know as well, which is how I went

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Speaker 1: through it.

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Speaker 3: Because I was going from San Francisco to Tahoe. But

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Speaker 3: and it's also where eight is Enough took place, which

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Speaker 3: is the best part about it.

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Speaker 1: Dustin will have the coverage tonight Pacers and Kings in

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Speaker 1: the race towards staying in that bottom four basically, and

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Speaker 1: we'll see whether or not, for example, inter nim Hard

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Speaker 1: gets out on the floor. But either way, all the

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Speaker 1: coverage therefore are you don't think so huh, you're not

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Speaker 1: going to see Enginet Wrker.

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Speaker 3: All right, we'll see Dusts. I appreciate the time as always,

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Speaker 3: thanks as always that you had to get I enjoy,

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Speaker 3: by the way, that.

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Speaker 1: Kind of will breakfast tomorrow with the Howard Johnson's wonderful.

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Speaker 1: They've got great bacon and you can make your own

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Speaker 1: surreal and omelets, the whole deal.