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Speaker 1: They see st a fan morning show with KB, KB

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Speaker 1: and Jeff.

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Speaker 2: Chris will continue as our general manager and Shane will

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Speaker 2: continue as our head coach for this next season. We

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Speaker 2: have been very clear with Chris and Shane that giving

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Speaker 2: them another opportunity means that the sense of urgency for

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Speaker 2: them to deliver and perform has never been higher. We

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Speaker 2: believe that they can replicate what we started off doing,

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Speaker 2: and the sense of urgency to do that has never

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Speaker 2: been higher, and we believe they can.

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Speaker 3: Do it next season.

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Speaker 2: I'm pissed, and I totally get they're pissed. I want

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Speaker 2: to validate them, and we hear them. It was that's

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Speaker 2: not the way we've ever want to end a season.

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Speaker 2: I think as we evaluate it, we're going right back

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Speaker 2: to work to make sure that we find a way

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Speaker 2: to finish and win games next year and ultimately against

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Speaker 2: in the postseason. We solved a lot of the issues

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Speaker 2: on our roster, and I think that's what I think

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Speaker 2: is really encouraging about next season.

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Speaker 4: It is that we are in a position.

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Speaker 2: We needed to learn how to face adversity better, but

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Speaker 2: we're in a great position to succeed. I'm excited to

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Speaker 2: give them what they deserve next season and to prove

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Speaker 2: that we can deliver on our promise.

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Speaker 5: So, like they say, every dog has his day, and

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Speaker 5: like they say, God works in a mysterious way.

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Speaker 6: So I prayk remember in the days of my youth

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Speaker 6: as I prefer to meet my moment.

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Speaker 7: Of true Good morning everyone, It is a Tuesday and

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Speaker 7: they're running it back over. It was fifty sixth Street.

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Speaker 7: We knew that was going to happen. We heard from

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Speaker 7: Carly ERSA Gordon yesterday explaining the whys, the what form.

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Speaker 7: And here's what I do know. I said this yesterday

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Speaker 7: in the middle of the day. James Boyd, you were there,

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Speaker 7: Kevin Bowen was there. Good morning guys. What I've learned

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Speaker 7: in the last forty eight hours is Shane Stichen is

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Speaker 7: going to battle like crazy, and Carly or say Gordon

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Speaker 7: is pissed. Those are the two things I know. That's

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Speaker 7: all I know. James, anything else new or different or

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Speaker 7: unbelievable for you, I'm just curious. No once again, Mark, Mark,

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Speaker 7: come on, help me.

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Speaker 8: Ain't no changing nothing, brother. I just I am and

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Speaker 8: Ian Wall I'm the talent here. Okay, you're supposed to

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Speaker 8: be the guy. We never hear I'm hearing you.

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Speaker 7: Say this morning, two weeks off and everything just falls apart.

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Speaker 9: I cannot see him. It's crazy. Well, it's very disappointing.

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Speaker 9: He's a handsome man.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, you know I wouldn't say that this

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Speaker 8: this morning got the crushed out my start with that,

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Speaker 8: But I will say along lines I started this show

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Speaker 8: right there. A bit of a redundant effect to that

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Speaker 8: press conference, given just the state of the team and

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Speaker 8: how mediocre they've been. Kevin, I did not feel like

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Speaker 8: that was necessarily a moment where you're gonna win or

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Speaker 8: lose a news conference. I'm not in that thought, but

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Speaker 8: I don't feel I don't know how many fans listen

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Speaker 8: to that and feel confident about the direction of the franchise.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, first off, you can't win anything when

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Speaker 10: you're running it back with the resume that the general

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Speaker 10: manager has. It's also fair to start there, And Jeff,

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Speaker 10: I kind of go back to our final segment of

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Speaker 10: the show yesterday when we debated what could Carly Orsay

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Speaker 10: Gordon say to make fans feel better calm the reassured,

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Speaker 10: however you want to define that sort of feeling, And

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Speaker 10: again when you're trying to present the debate class poster

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Speaker 10: board that looks like Chris Ballard's resume. Oh boy, good luck,

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Speaker 10: and that's what she is trying to do. So I didn't,

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Speaker 10: you know, And I feel the same way when Chris

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Speaker 10: Ballard meets the media later this week, like there's just

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Speaker 10: only so much you know, these people can say, considering

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Speaker 10: the actions that they have to defend here. So I

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Speaker 10: don't know if there was a smoking gun, per Se James,

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Speaker 10: and like, aha, you know, I walked away from the

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Speaker 10: twenty five minute press conference, twenty minute press conference and thought,

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Speaker 10: oh wow, I didn't think of that, you know, per Se.

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Speaker 10: But basically, the gist of it is one year greater

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Speaker 10: than eight years. We debated that quite a bit. What

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Speaker 10: is the evaluation? Is it the one year resume or

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Speaker 10: is it the totality of the resume, And the resume

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Speaker 10: is one year, and I guess if you want to

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Speaker 10: boil the one year down, it's more two months.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna argue that too. Yeah.

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Speaker 8: So basically it's one half versus one well, one good

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Speaker 10: They're running it back because of the first two months

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Speaker 10: of the season. The Sauce Gardner trade was a component

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Speaker 10: in running it back and the urgencies high. I know

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Speaker 10: she didn't, you know, hit the words that are as

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Speaker 10: black and white as playofficer or bust. But I do

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Speaker 10: get the impression that that is the demand of course

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Speaker 10: that has met with me saying I would argue the

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Speaker 10: urgency should have been high entering last season.

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Speaker 7: So let me ask you guys this, and I'll let

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Speaker 7: you go first, Kevin, and then you answer to James

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Speaker 7: when you hear the urgency has never been higher and

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Speaker 7: they know that the urgency has never been higher. Is

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Speaker 7: she in fact saying without saying it that Chris Ballard

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Speaker 7: and Shane Sdyken are on the clock.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think she is.

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Speaker 10: You know, James asked specifically about the contract extension or

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Speaker 10: you know, would there be one for Chris Ballard?

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Speaker 4: Explain that real quick? Yeah, yeah, I got the response.

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Speaker 4: There are like why would you ask us a dumb question?

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Speaker 4: I understand it was at the moment it sound asking.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it sounds insane, like why am I asking you

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Speaker 8: about this guy getting a contract extension when he hasn't

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Speaker 8: really produced through the first nine years. But the reason

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Speaker 8: why I was asking that is because rarely do gms

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Speaker 8: you usually get an extension, and I believe this will

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Speaker 8: be the first year that Chris Baalor goes into the

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Speaker 8: final year of his contract. So getting that kind of

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Speaker 8: that signals to me that at least right now he

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Speaker 4: Than ever before.

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Speaker 8: Down know, that might sound kind of crazy, given that

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Speaker 8: he's had nine lives now has a tenth life, but

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Speaker 8: that was some of the context there of why even

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Speaker 8: ask that question, because no, I don't think he's deserving

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Speaker 8: of a contract extension. However, if you're saying you believe

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Speaker 8: do you believe in him? And usually contract extensions will

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Jeff, I would argue the earth urgency of I guess,

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Speaker 10: last whatever X amount of weeks, and just take them

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Speaker 10: down by one. You know, right now, again, it's eleven

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Speaker 10: years out of Division title, eight without a playoff win,

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Speaker 10: were what ten, seven and four. Ten years without a

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Speaker 10: without a PLAIFF appearance. I would argue the urgency should

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Speaker 10: have been pretty damn high last year.

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Speaker 7: I liked the zero one two counting method too. You

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Speaker 7: can remind people of that, James.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, zero AFC South titles, one playoff win, two playoff appearance.

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Speaker 4: Isn't Chris ballads era?

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Speaker 10: And one question I do have exiting yesterday, and again

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Speaker 10: the week, but is there a plan or is there

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Speaker 10: just urgency being stressed?

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Speaker 7: You know?

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Speaker 10: Last year there was I think a pretty specific plan,

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Speaker 10: and it seems like once Chris Ballard changed his ways

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Speaker 10: And certainly the first two months of this season played

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Speaker 10: did that, once he executed the Sauce Gardner trade, this

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Speaker 10: was always going to be a twenty twenty six thing

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Speaker 10: for Chris Ballard. I think you could have made this

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Speaker 10: call on Halloween. Frankly, like, no matter what happens, I mean,

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Speaker 10: the final two months of the season obviously couldn't have

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Speaker 10: gone worse from a win lost standpoint, so that would

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Speaker 10: kind of be my question now moving forward is okay, well,

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Speaker 10: is there anything more that needs to change now in

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Speaker 10: twenty twenty six. I don't think we sit here and

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Speaker 10: expect overwhelming staff changes. I don't know if we expect

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Speaker 10: overwhelming roster changes. You know, maybe there's a couple on

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Speaker 10: the defensive side of the ball. You know, maybe he

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Speaker 10: parts ways with a veteran or two. But when you

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Speaker 10: don't have a first round pick, seemingly a huge chunk

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Speaker 10: of your open cap space will go to Alec Pearson

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Speaker 10: Daniel Jones in some former fashion. I don't know what

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Speaker 10: necessarily the plan will be different. I just know that

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Speaker 10: she said the urgency will be higher, you know, probably

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Speaker 10: a dozen times yesterday.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. The one thing I do know is Shane Steiken

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Speaker 7: has a huge hole. Two of them, a couple actually

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Speaker 7: in his resume and maybe the biggest one. You talk

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Speaker 7: about quarterback, but defensive end. At some point this year,

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Speaker 7: these years is make that trade for with a first

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Speaker 7: DeForest Buckner. That was a guy that's already shown that

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Speaker 7: he's successful in the NFL. Is a force? Is a

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Speaker 7: wrecking ball? Does Chris Ballard give up on trying to

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Speaker 7: identify those guys in the draft and just go find

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Speaker 7: a guy that might be a free agent at this

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Speaker 4: Well, you don't have your first round pick.

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Speaker 7: I'm just saying, as a free agent, try.

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Speaker 10: Well again, where is that money?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 10: I think a big chunk of that has to go

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Speaker 7: And you haven't done anything to address I get that

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Speaker 7: it should be those guys, but at some point you're

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Speaker 7: going to have to address your defensive end and he

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Speaker 7: can't draft one to save his life.

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Speaker 8: Well, here's the thing, Jeff, he has addressed it. It

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Speaker 8: just hasn't worked. Again, it's the problem he cannot identify

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Speaker 8: it when you look at how he's built the roster.

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Speaker 8: I get what you're saying about going out. He's spent

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Speaker 8: the money. They have gone out and got free agents,

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Speaker 8: and they have invested first round picks and Kevin you

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Speaker 8: would know this better off top of your head than

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Speaker 8: I do. But just how much they've invested in that

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Speaker 8: front seven, particularly the front four, that hasn't been a

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Speaker 8: great return on investment and investment outside of the Forest

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Speaker 8: Buckner and Grover Stewart, when you're talking about a year

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Speaker 10: One more thing I will add, and I know we

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Speaker 10: can get into this.

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Speaker 4: Throughout the show.

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Speaker 10: By the way, Rick Carlisle a little later this morning,

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Speaker 10: nine point thirty here on this Tuesday morning, as the

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Speaker 10: Pacers try to end their longest losing streak in franchise history,

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Speaker 10: I don't know, And James, you can speak to this

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Speaker 10: certainly outside of the Jeff Saturday press conference that infamous

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Speaker 10: trying to go back well before the Jeff Saturday press conference,

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Speaker 10: I don't know the last time I've seen the amount

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Speaker 7: She believes, Kevin, if I understand this right, that they

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Speaker 7: All right, that's not the only vacant Well, there is

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Speaker 8: Yeah, boy, Banana Mendoz. If you have any eligibility left, brother, stay, it's.

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Speaker 7: It's a good thing Donovan Mitchell is out tonight. In

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Speaker 7: All Right, college basketball. Tonight, Butler will be taking part

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Speaker 7: His eyes lit up? Did you see that?

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Speaker 10: I think one more day before the travel for Indiana

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Speaker 7: So do you think it was as much that that

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Speaker 7: America's falling in love with Kurt Signett in Indiana or

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Speaker 7: the fact that they wanted to have some shot and

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Speaker 7: freud and just watch Alabama?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, break, you know, you can slice of that pie

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Speaker 10: and a lot of different pieces. But I do think

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Speaker 10: there is and we see it in the border. I

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Speaker 10: think there is a real when when Kurt Signetti dropped

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Speaker 10: the phrase late last season, we can be an emerging

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Speaker 10: superpower in college football. A lot of people laughed, but

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Speaker 10: I think there are some resources behind that potentially happening. Obviously,

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Speaker 10: you got to string things together and there's a long

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Speaker 10: ways to go and all of that. But this is

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Speaker 10: not just whatever your mom and pop shop that's happening

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Speaker 10: to get on a Cinderella run here. This could be

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Speaker 10: something that could turn into whatever, a future blue blood.

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Speaker 7: All right, coming up in a moment, more on the cold.

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Speaker 7: It's your feedback. Encouraged to two three ninety ten seventy.

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Speaker 7: Mark is busy answering the phones there for that four

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Speaker 7: pack giveaway to the Butler game tonight. We'll tell you

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Speaker 7: all about it Nexus. We continue on ninety three five

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Speaker 7: and one a seven five the fan.

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Speaker 5: Speaker stee Come, let's go OVERSTA.

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Speaker 1: You were listening to the Fan Morning Show on Sports

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Speaker 1: Radio ninety three to five and one oh seven.

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Speaker 7: Five the Fan. Good morning, and welcome into the Fan

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Speaker 7: Morning Show along with Kevin Bowen, James Boyd. I'm jeff Rickord.

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Speaker 7: Mark dyked in on the ones and two, So opening

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Speaker 7: up a little creed there on a Tuesday morning.

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Speaker 9: Mark, Well, because the standard yesterday I was Ken Shane

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Speaker 9: and Chris.

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Speaker 4: Get the cults higher? Can we go higher? Maybe you

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Speaker 4: needed to be higher to get through that press.

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Speaker 8: You have ever seen the movie How High? Of course, when

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Speaker 8: I kept going through the transcript of a Hyacinth Urgency,

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Speaker 8: I found of that movie and I was thinking, boy,

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Speaker 8: maybe need some of that to get off the you know,

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Speaker 8: lay off.

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Speaker 4: The edge here a little bit. When it comes to

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Speaker 4: the frustration on the franchise.

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Speaker 10: Redman, when you need them, right, could you do like

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Speaker 10: week one halftime shows and bringing Creed?

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Speaker 9: That was the greatest Thanksgiving halftime sure ever seen. So

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Speaker 9: you could petition the NFL for that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, make it happen.

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Speaker 7: Go for it. Mark, that's a new assignment for you.

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Speaker 7: We got that going on for twenty six.

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Speaker 4: Well can you play Creed?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: That happen.

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Speaker 7: This is an interesting too, because we know the Chris

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Speaker 7: Ballard's coming back, we know the Shan Steik is coming back.

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Speaker 7: What about the rest of the staff? Kevin, We got

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Speaker 7: a text from Tom wondering, don't you guys think that

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Speaker 7: whoever the DL coaches, he should be let go. A

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Speaker 7: lot of draft capital spent on DL with little or

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Speaker 7: no results pay should be let go. Lat too has improved,

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Speaker 7: but he was the best defensive player and what was

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Speaker 7: he the best defensive player in the twenty twenty fourth draft.

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Speaker 7: What do you think is likely to happen with the

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Speaker 7: staff during this offseason? Did they largely remain intact?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: So, Charlie Partridge's the defensive line coach, is a longtime

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Speaker 10: college coach. He is heading back to the college ranks.

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Speaker 10: He actually has a relationship with Notre Dame defensive coordinator

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Speaker 10: Chris ash That's where he's going now. Again, Partris has

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Speaker 10: been here for two years, So I don't want to

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Speaker 10: act like the what I would call rather annual lacks

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Speaker 10: of return on investment from your defensive line is strictly

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Speaker 10: due to him. I think it's more of a you

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Speaker 10: not drafting the right dudes, You're not whatever developing the

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Speaker 10: right dudes, And it's not like these guys are really

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Speaker 10: leaving here and going on to have great production elsewhere.

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Speaker 10: So I tend to think it's more of an evaluation

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Speaker 10: more than anything. But and again, he is like, he's

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Speaker 10: the most college coach probably of anybody on that resume.

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Speaker 10: So I just look at that as saying, hey, it's

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Speaker 10: a good opportunity there's a connection. Not necessarily, maybe he's

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Speaker 10: running from the whatever inevitable fire if you want to slice.

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Speaker 4: It up like that.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean outside of what lou Ana Rumo potentially

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Speaker 10: getting a head coaching job. What I see, I see

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Speaker 10: Tennessee has requested.

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Speaker 4: To interview him.

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Speaker 10: I did see that to Tennessee and New York. Are

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Speaker 10: those the two that have we've seen so far? Those

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Speaker 10: are the two, so James, unless I don't get the

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Speaker 10: impression that lou An Rimo is gone, like unless he

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Speaker 10: takes a head coaching job, I venture to guess a

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Speaker 10: lot of the staff would be retained.

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Speaker 8: I would think so too, because this sticks with what

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Speaker 8: you believed you built in the twenty twenty five season.

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Speaker 8: Why would you break up your staff? How would you

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Speaker 8: change your staff drastically? If the indication you gave yesterday

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Speaker 8: was that you believe in how things were. It leads

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Speaker 8: to the first half of the twenty twenty five campaign.

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Speaker 7: What'd you get from Carly Orsa Gordon, both verbally or

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Speaker 7: non verbally yesterday in her appearance?

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Speaker 4: It's a good question. I think one she really wanted

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Speaker 4: to stick to her talking points.

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Speaker 7: She's looking down at those notes a lot.

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Speaker 8: So to that, I'd give her credit because her father

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Speaker 8: certainly did not sixteen any notes, and we would have

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Speaker 8: got some UFO references or something yesterday, a little we

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Speaker 8: might we.

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Speaker 7: Might still be wrapping it up. Yeah, she didn't make

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Speaker 7: a little.

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Speaker 8: Actually, she had made a pretty funny joke about you know,

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Speaker 8: I can only imagine my day will between or telling

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Speaker 8: you all.

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Speaker 4: So that was one thing. Number two.

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Speaker 8: I think she really tried to empathize with the fans

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Speaker 8: and not dismissed them. I thought Kevin asked us a

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Speaker 8: good question to her about apathetic fans, because as much

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Speaker 8: as we want to talk about team building and the

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Speaker 8: decisions that gms make and coaches making players how they perform,

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Speaker 8: we do know that sports, the bedrock of.

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Speaker 4: It is the fans.

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Speaker 8: If they don't care, then what is the point in

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Speaker 8: having a team in this city? And the further you

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Speaker 8: get away from that makes it easier to become apathetic.

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Speaker 8: And I thought, Kevin, you made a great point. I

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Speaker 8: actually woke up Sunday morning in Houston, you know, scrolling

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Speaker 8: through the Twitter sphere, and I saw the post you

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Speaker 8: made about it being the eleven year anniversary of their

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Speaker 8: last home playoff game, and here I am getting ready

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Speaker 8: to go to a game where essentially, from a writer's perspective,

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Speaker 8: it meant nothing for those of you who follow me

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Speaker 8: or keep on with my work. I had published on

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Speaker 8: my end of season story as soon as the game ended,

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Speaker 8: Like that was written on the plane over there. It

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Speaker 8: wasn't written, you know what I mean during the game

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Speaker 8: consequential in consequently, I mean I had a couple of

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Speaker 8: lines on Ry Leonard at the end of the game,

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Speaker 8: and that was it, because it was so much of

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Speaker 8: a big picture. So that to me really encapsulates how

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Speaker 8: big of a drop off we've seen with a very good,

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Speaker 8: once proud franchise in this league.

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Speaker 10: Shout out to Boomhaern ten catches in that home playoff game,

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Speaker 10: the last one for the Colts eleven years ago.

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Speaker 4: Sunday.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, a couple of things from Carly from yesterday. I

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Speaker 10: think one thing we legitimately learned is she was a

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Speaker 10: fan of Chris Ballard's change in aggression, particularly in free agency,

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Speaker 10: and I think the Sauce Gardner trade as well.

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Speaker 7: That saved his job.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I do.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, to put it simply, obviously, going eight and two

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Speaker 10: I think helps, But I think a different approach. Now again,

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Speaker 10: this obviously pops into the other side of my brain

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Speaker 10: of like, Okay, then why wasn't this stressed and or

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Speaker 10: demanded in earlier years. I think that's a very you know,

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Speaker 10: relevant thought there. But you know, I think that's one

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Speaker 10: maybe just to kind of put in the back of

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Speaker 10: your mind. If and when there is a future GM

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Speaker 10: here under the ownership of Carli or say Gordon, you

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Speaker 10: would assume that, you know, being a little bit more

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Speaker 10: active in free agency would be something that she's a

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Speaker 10: fan of. And then, James, what do you make of

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Speaker 10: the question and the answer of are they tied at

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Speaker 10: the hip?

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Speaker 4: Because once she told you asked.

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Speaker 8: Me that next year or something along those lines, or

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Speaker 8: that's a question that can be Yeah, I.

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Speaker 6: Believe that we approached I believe the quote was ask

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Speaker 6: me that question on this day next year, which boy, Like,

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Speaker 6: when I heard that answer, I wanted like the dunna

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Speaker 6: da dum music, Like, I thought that was such an

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Speaker 6: eerie thing to say.

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Speaker 7: Well, and maybe I think it gets back to me

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Speaker 7: wondering if if kind of all what she said yesterday

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Speaker 7: was letting those two guys know that they are on

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Speaker 7: the clock and.

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Speaker 9: Maybe read that way, I like to think she's already

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Speaker 9: over twenty twenty six. She's like, I'm pushing all white

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Speaker 9: problems to twenty twenty seven, pushing these next three hundred.

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Speaker 7: What do you think she heard?

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Speaker 8: Kevin Well to answer Kevin's question, I look at it

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Speaker 8: like this, when you hear that response to your question,

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Speaker 8: Kevin about are they tied at the hip? And I

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Speaker 8: believe I or someone else asks about the contract and

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Speaker 8: she says, well, we haven't talked about that.

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Speaker 4: It's always funny talking about this.

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Speaker 8: We is such a unique word when it's a one

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Speaker 8: sided decision, like James Boyd would love to stay at

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Speaker 8: the Athletic and one on seven five to the fan,

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Speaker 8: but it's a two way street. I'm not deciding if

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Speaker 8: I stay here, you know what I mean, Like, I'm

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Speaker 8: not deciding how long I will be of service. I

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Speaker 8: would give myself a lifetime contract to make a lot

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Speaker 8: of money and be a general manager in the NFL

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Speaker 8: if I were in those shoes. So I interpreted that

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Speaker 8: as like, I haven't decided that yet when it comes

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Speaker 8: to the GM, who is now going into ten season.

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Speaker 4: So those two things combined were to me a little bit.

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Speaker 8: I don't want to say newsworthy because there's not something

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Speaker 8: you can necessarily glean from that to like make it

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Speaker 8: a headline. But I kind of put that in the

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Speaker 8: back of my mind, like, hmm, those two things are

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Speaker 8: worth revisiting if we see changes down the line. But

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Speaker 8: granted that's gonna be at minimum a year from now.

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Speaker 9: Boy, they better be tied at the hip if I'm

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Speaker 9: a fan, because having been on the other side of

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Speaker 9: like coaching hires and firings, if you don't tear out

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Speaker 9: the GM and head coaching hirings and firings simultaneously, and

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Speaker 9: you're going like off script and you know GM's here,

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Speaker 9: but the head coach is new, you're just throwing your

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Speaker 9: whole organization off whackford.

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Speaker 4: Wait a minute, what about your Bears this year? Mark dykedn'

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Speaker 4: are you the outlier that surprising?

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Speaker 9: Well, considering they they've done it before to you know,

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Speaker 9: tire fire expectations. They finally got it right this year,

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Speaker 9: but normally it is not a good thing.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'll say about Marx Bears.

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Speaker 8: They also had the number one pick, So if that

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Speaker 8: changes a lot of the equation when it comes to

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Speaker 8: you know, GM, change this coach and change whatever. Cayleb

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Speaker 8: Williams is a very good football player, so that probably

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Speaker 8: helped a lot of people kind of figure it out

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Speaker 8: over there, Whereas with the Colts, I think Daniel Jones

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Speaker 8: is a good football player, good quarterback when he's healthy.

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Speaker 8: But the problem there is that he's coming off a

660
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 8: torn achilles and he has a lengthy injury history.

661
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 7: Yeah.

662
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Speaker 10: I don't want to read too too much into this, James,

663
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 10: but like when Carly did individually talk about Chris Ballard

664
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 10: and Shane Stiching yesterday, I think you would say there

665
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,719
Speaker 10: was probably more praise or maybe just less questions about

666
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,719
Speaker 10: Shane than Chris.

667
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 4: I did think about that, and again I.

668
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 10: Don't want to overread that, but I know I largely

669
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 10: think they are tight at the hip. But you know, again,

670
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 10: if you were individually giving grades to Chris Ballad or

671
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 10: Shane second, they would not have the same grade.

672
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Speaker 3: No.

673
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Speaker 10: Yes, if I were starting INNFL frame Trice tomorrow, I do.

674
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 10: I agree with Mark. I think the best way is

675
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 10: to tie those two at the hip. I think it's

676
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 10: the healthiest way, is probably the best way to put it.

677
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 10: But I mean, when you're hired six years differently six

678
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:12,719
Speaker 10: years in the NFL.

679
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 4: That's eons guy.

680
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 10: So you know, I think whatever offering individual grades for them,

681
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 10: I guess.

682
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 8: Six years ago, I think tyrak Hill was still a

683
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 8: Kansas City chief. So like, that's how long it's been.

684
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 8: But to your point about the balance of sort of

685
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 8: the news conference, how much we talked about Chris Ballard,

686
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 8: how much you talked about Shane Styke. In personally, I

687
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 8: went into it thinking this is the one time we

688
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 8: will talk to the owner for months, and as much

689
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 8: as Shane Styken shouldn't be absolved of some of the

690
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 8: team's issues. I know you pointed it out, Kevin, I

691
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 8: did ask your question about being seven and twenty two

692
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 8: against teams of winning records at the end of the year.

693
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 8: He to me, isn't a top the list of problems

694
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 8: quote unquote for the Colts. A lot of those problems

695
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 8: either are Chris Ballard or tied to Ballard. So that's

696
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 8: why I personally was like, man, only get so many

697
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 8: shots at the rim here. Let me try to shoot

698
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 8: some shots and get some answers about the guy in

699
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 8: charge of fixing this more than anybody else, which again

700
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 8: for the tenth year is Chris Ballard.

701
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 7: It's interesting too. George wants to know going into next season,

702
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 7: based on what we saw this past Sunday, do you

703
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 7: think the coaching staff has more trust in the upside

704
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 7: of Riley Leonard or Anthony Richardson given the fact that

705
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 7: he's had his opportunities already. It almost feels like Anthony

706
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 7: Richardson is done playing.

707
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 10: I would be at this point. I think I would

708
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 10: be surprised if Anthony Richardson was a cult in September.

709
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 10: So yes, answer that question. I would say, Ryle Leonard, James,

710
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 10: I know you didn't get we didn't really hit on

711
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 10: in the first hour yesterday before you exited, But what

712
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 10: did you think of ryle Leondard on Sunday?

713
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 8: I thought he was pretty good, and I thought he

714
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 8: showed a lot more than even in the Jacksonville game. Now,

715
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 8: granted he also had a full week of practice to prepare,

716
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 8: but he had a roller coaster kind of day. I

717
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 8: don't want to give him like say, it's like a

718
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 8: perfect performance, but took the throws that were there, showed

719
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 8: off some armstairs. I thought, some athleticism, ability to extend

720
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 8: plays and look poison out there. I walked away thinking

721
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 8: from that game, thinking, Okay, if they get in a

722
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 8: bind early next season, coming into next season, or if

723
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 8: Daniel Jones, unfortunately for him, gets dinged up like he

724
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 8: has in the past and he misses a couple of games,

725
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 8: this guy could help you get over the hump for

726
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 8: a period. I'm not saying he could be a franchise quarterback.

727
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 8: I'm not saying he's Tom Brady, although many were telling

728
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 8: me that after the first touch down past Sunday, and

729
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 8: I was thinking, you know what, that's one way to

730
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 8: start your career, young man.

731
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 4: But that was my biggest takeaway.

732
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 8: And then hearing him talk yesterday, he even said the

733
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 8: game has slowed down so much for me because I

734
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 8: was able to sit watch learn, and this to me

735
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 8: was always sort of the maturation process for him anyway.

736
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 8: Verse is again, I was on the record saying they

737
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 8: should have started him before going to Philip Rivers. But

738
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 8: even then that still was going to be kind of

739
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 8: a a no ideal way to do his development. I think,

740
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 8: kind of easing him into a game that yeah it

741
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 8: means something, means nothing, it meant a lot for him,

742
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 8: and that was good.

743
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 10: Yeah, I thought the thing that stood out to me

744
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 10: was his success was largely the aspect of his game

745
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 10: that I think many would say is the biggest question

746
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 10: mark entering the NFL. Like his success was throwing the

747
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 10: ball down the field against that starting defense. And I'm

748
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 10: not just talking about the deep ball to Alec Pierce.

749
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 10: I mean, obviously the sixty six yard early in the

750
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 10: game was a huge, huge play, but I just mean

751
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 10: some of the second kind of third level throws from

752
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 10: the pocket. This was not like Riley Leonard can make

753
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 10: plays with his legs. We saw that on Sunday, but

754
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 10: I don't think that was eighty percent of his game

755
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 10: on Sunday. It was a part of his game, but

756
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 10: it was a complimentary part to his game. He had,

757
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 10: you know, a more successful day than not largely because

758
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 10: of his ability to throw it, which you know again

759
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 10: that to me is a question obviously, you know, ball

760
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 10: security within the pocket, all that those are things that

761
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 10: you like.

762
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 4: By the Houston defense.

763
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 8: And I was thinking to myself, that is exactly why

764
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 8: you own defense. Do you think every defensive back was

765
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 8: just a y receiver couldn't catch grown up?

766
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 10: But that was that was tough to watch, Like he

767
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 10: was kind of stumbling going back, I'm like, I don't

768
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 10: see this ending well, like it kind of looked like

769
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 10: one of those people at halftime that feel the punt.

770
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 7: Yeah, the old I want to kick.

771
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 8: I just fear for that from my future children, where

772
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 8: it's like, boy, if I'm watching practice and the coach goes,

773
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 8: you're always in the right spot, but you got bricks

774
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 8: for hands, won't need you to go over there, I'm like, well,

775
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 8: got it from your daddy.

776
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 7: Yeah, you were. Guys were talking about the fact that

777
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 7: that the Shane's not a top the list of problems

778
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 7: for the Colts. Uh Ed wants to know though he

779
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 7: seems to think that he gets the chain Styke and

780
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 7: gets a pass from us coach them to seven straight losses.

781
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 7: You talked about the seven and twenty two record. Does

782
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 7: he get a little bit of a pass because people

783
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 7: are so focused on Chris Ballard?

784
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 8: Well, optically, yes, I do think he gets a pass

785
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 8: from that perspective. When we're talking about speaking to Carl

786
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 8: Rasay Gordon, I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna waste five

787
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 8: questions on Shane Styke and when I can use five

788
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 8: of them on Chris Baller, that just isn't gonna happen.

789
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 8: But I will say, when you look at the totality

790
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 8: of everything, we had an hour to sit with her,

791
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 8: he certainly wouldn't be far from the top. I think

792
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 8: it's definitely Chris Baaler in a gap, and then Shane

793
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 8: Styke and other people involved with the franchise. I don't

794
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 8: want to make it seem like he doesn't matter, or

795
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 8: he's been this flawless coach who has this impeccable resume

796
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 8: and shouldn't be touched.

797
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 4: He shouldn't feel safe either.

798
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 8: But my point is, I think you have to start

799
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 8: with Chris Ballard before you trickle down everything else.

800
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, and one thing that that a couple of textures

801
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 7: are pointing out too. The season had started to go

802
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 7: sideways even before Daniel Jones got hurt. A Jim d

803
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 7: pointing out that he thought the season was over after

804
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 7: the Steelers had the blueprint out of how to beat

805
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 7: the Colts. You know, I know they had that great start,

806
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 7: but again, and I kind of agree with with Jim

807
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 7: and that after that Steelers game, it kind of felt

808
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 7: like the gig was up a little bit for the Colts.

809
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 4: I can't go that far. You got a big.

810
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 8: Time win overseas, beating Atlanta to go to AID and two,

811
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 8: and then after the bye week, your quarterback comes back

812
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 8: with a broken leg. Now I believe that injury perhaps

813
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 8: happened in the Falcons game or earlier in the season.

814
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 8: I don't want to make it seem like he got

815
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 8: hurt over the bye week. None like that. That didn't happen.

816
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 8: He got hurt in a game. But after that, I

817
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 8: think is when you saw him change a lot. So

818
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 8: I can't sit here and say that this team was

819
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 8: already going to collapse no matter. You know, the circumstances

820
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 8: that occurred. They were sliding a bit, for sure. They

821
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 8: were regressing a bit, for sure. But to me, that

822
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 8: was always going to happen because they were operating at

823
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 8: such a crazy level offensively early in the season. I mean,

824
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 8: if you think about it, I looked this up, Kevin.

825
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 8: Through their first ten games, when they went eight and two,

826
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 8: they were averaging three point one seven points per drive.

827
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 8: So that meant if they got a field goal, they

828
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 8: were lowering their average. That was the fourth highest average

829
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 8: this century. They were always going to backslide at some point,

830
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 8: but I think that was compounded by the injury in

831
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 8: particular Daniel Jones, because not only did he fall off,

832
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 8: you know, Will's fall off without him, Tyler Warren. A

833
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 8: lot of the stuff they did with him when it

834
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 8: comes to movement and getting Tyler out in space was

835
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 8: predicated off of the legs of Daniel Jones.

836
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

837
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 10: This is where probably a little bit most probably most

838
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 10: torn on the twenty twenty five season is like, Okay, whatever,

839
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 10: I guess if you want to play the hypothetical like

840
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 10: Daniel Jones doesn't get hurt? Are they still unquestionably a

841
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 10: playoff team?

842
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 7: Again?

843
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 10: They missed winning the division by five games, So like

844
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 10: everyone brings up Seattle Carli Rosa, Gordon did it yesterday? Yeah, okay,

845
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 10: let's call Seattle a win. So you lose the division

846
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,959
Speaker 10: by four and you missed the wild card by two.

847
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 10: Are there more games that you're gonna tell me, well,

848
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 10: should have flipped? So are people going to go with Okay, yeah,

849
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 10: Houston should have been different and Kansas City should have

850
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 10: been different. Okay, what about Arizona? What about Denver? Those

851
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 10: games easily could have gone the other way when you

852
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 10: were healthy, Like, you know, so I just can't really

853
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 10: sit here and say, oh my gosh, yes, if Daniel

854
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 10: Jones would have never gotten hurt, the Colts are AFC

855
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 10: South champions.

856
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:23,479
Speaker 3: I don't.

857
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm not one that sits there and can make

858
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 10: this guarantee. They missed win the division by five. Daniel

859
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 10: Jones got hurt in early December. They were out of

860
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 10: the playoffs when Daniel Jones towards Achilles, Houston is winning.

861
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,959
Speaker 10: So starting zero and three, their backup quarterback is needed

862
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 10: for three games and they win twelve.

863
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 4: That's a good point. You met well.

864
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 8: Personally, I expected Daniel Jones to play offense and defense

865
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 8: the last two months of the season to kind of

866
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 8: give him a little more of himself.

867
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 4: That was my thinking. Lineup on the edge, do the

868
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 4: old what is it?

869
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 7: Four A three?

870
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 4: A football thing here in the state of Indiana.

871
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 10: By the way, got as much production out of Daniel

872
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 10: Jones at d End as you got as some of

873
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 10: the saying.

874
00:39:58,280 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think you make a good point there.

875
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 8: I don't want to act like it's all injuries, but

876
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 8: it's also I mean, we can talk ourselves into circles

877
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 8: about this. So if we're going to play that game

878
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 8: of do the Colts win this game, the Coats lose

879
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 8: that game. Does every other team win every game you're

880
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 8: supposed to put them out of it? Like if we

881
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 8: go back in time, I don't know, but I will

882
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 8: say when she kept emphasizing finishing for this group, that

883
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 8: to me is why I have concerns about running it back,

884
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 8: because the finishing isn't just about what happened on offense.

885
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 8: It's your defensive corps, your defensive unit that. I mean,

886
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 8: it was so on brand for that team to lose

887
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 8: in that fashion this past Sunday. Yes, it didn't matter,

888
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 8: but it also was, in my opinion, meaningful to her

889
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 8: degree because these are the problems that played you, Jeff,

890
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 8: and you couldn't change them. But I mean, in the end,

891
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 8: it didn't matter because Curly Ersa. Gordon told us yesterday

892
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 8: in the press conference she made that decision over a

893
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 8: week ago to retain them, So that meant going into

894
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 8: Houston they were already safe.

895
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 4: Wow.

896
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 10: And I think she made it back at Halloween. I mean,

897
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 10: whenever you green light the Sauce Gardner trade.

898
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 8: Absolutely I was using her word yeah yeah, but the

899
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 8: Gardener trade as soon as that happened.

900
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 4: She did admit yesterday that.

901
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 10: Was a component of retaining everyone, so that I think

902
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 10: coupled with obviously the first two months of the season,

903
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 10: all of that.

904
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's there's so much going into this

905
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 7: when you step back and look at it from ten

906
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 7: thousand feet, it was an incredibly emotional year for all

907
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 7: three of those sisters. They lost their dad. I get

908
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 7: the feeling that Chris Ballard and Shane Steike and along

909
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 7: with those three and other folks in that front office

910
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 7: probably rallied together and kind of banded together. And then

911
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 7: the season gets off to a great start. Carly Ursa

912
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 7: is all in on the new and approved, aggressive Chris Ballard.

913
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 7: She says, yes, make that deal. She says, go get

914
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 7: that the stuff that we got before the begin of

915
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 7: the year. I think her fingerprints are all over all

916
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 7: the changes that happened, and at the end of the day,

917
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 7: she probably feels like, you know what, we've all been

918
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 7: through a lot together this year. I signed off on

919
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 7: everything you guys wanted to do. I can't hold you

920
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 7: solely accountable at this point in time, and I was

921
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 7: encouraged by the seven to one start. I think you

922
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 7: put all those things together, and she's like, I'm going

923
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 7: to run it.

924
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 10: Back for one more year, James, I do want to

925
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 10: get to Traverisward maybe coming up in the eight o'clock hour.

926
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 10: You guys were chatting with him yesterday as we were

927
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 10: closing out the show, and so we were kind of

928
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 10: relaying some of the tweets that you had. Boy, I

929
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 10: don't know the last time I've seen a Colts player

930
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 10: that candid and I got the vibe. And again, all

931
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 10: I'm doing is watching your videos, but I got the

932
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 10: vibe that there should be some serious questions about that

933
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 10: dude playing football in twenty twenty six and beyond.

934
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 8: I think he would even say he has some serious

935
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 8: questions he has to answer for himself. Wouldn't get into

936
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 8: all of that on the other side of this break,

937
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,439
Speaker 8: But yeah, that's why I put the videos out there,

938
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 8: because I was thinking to myself, whoa people need to

939
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 8: see the tone or see the way he said these things.

940
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 8: Hear the tone of his voice and the seriousness of it,

941
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 8: and also kind of the levity he talked about it

942
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 8: with the man mentioned you know, I've made a lot

943
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 8: of money, I've been to the Super Bowl, I've done

944
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 8: everything I wanted to do in my career as an

945
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 8: undrafted free agent. So part of that, I think is

946
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 8: the equation when it comes to playing football game and

947
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 8: shout out to him for being very candid about the

948
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 8: serious nature of concussions brain injuries, because most football players

949
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 8: don't talk like that, and I would expect them to.

950
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 4: But he doesn't have to offer that.

951
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 8: Short of vulnerability as a dude who again has already

952
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 8: done a lot of things and could be viewed by

953
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 8: some people soft or whatever, like now, he not soft.

954
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 8: I think he's actually pretty real and pretty strong for

955
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 8: even opening up like that.

956
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, and it's you know, most of the time you

957
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 7: get like, I don't know, I'll think about it for

958
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 7: the next couple of weeks and get back to you guys.

959
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, he said he has to make a decision asap.

960
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 8: I don't know what asap means, but he did say

961
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 8: he doesn't want to hold a team hostage with his

962
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 8: decision on whether he wants to play it or not.

963
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 7: All right, he.

964
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 10: Said, you know, I just maybe te's one thing when

965
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 10: he said something to the effect of the other week,

966
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 10: you know, I got whatever, I ran into something or

967
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 10: I got hit with something, and that immediately started a headache.

968
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 4: That's when I was like, damn, yeah, damn, damn, damn.

969
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 10: So carry that's obviously, first off, his own health you

970
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 10: certainly point to, and everything he's had to go through

971
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 10: off the field as well, but he's obviously a critical

972
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 10: component too. I would assume the plan to run it back.

973
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 10: Such a conversation we can get into on the other side.

974
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, based on our text line today, it is a

975
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 7: largely unhappy fan base right now. We'll talk more about that,

976
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 7: get to some of those things and talk a little

977
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 7: bit more about how the Colts build this roster moving forward,

978
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 7: given some of the limitations they now have. It's all

979
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 7: come in your way next ninety three, five, one oh

980
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 7: seven five, Good morning, Welcome into a Tuesday. If you're

981
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 7: just getting into the car. Turning us on this morning.

982
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 7: Obviously talking a little bit about the press conference held

983
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 7: by carly erse Gordon yesterday explaining why Shane Stikeen and

984
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 7: Chris Ballad are back, and particularly Chris Ballard coming back

985
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 7: for a tenth season, and after you talked about it yesterday.

986
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 7: So the one thing I can't unhear, guys, James, the

987
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 7: zero one to two counting method in nine years of work,

988
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 7: it just speaks volumes to what has not taken place.

989
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 4: Zero AFC South titles.

990
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 8: One playoff win to playoff appearances, and your last playo

991
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 8: appearance was in twenty twenty.

992
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 4: Whirrel was a little bit different back then.

993
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 8: And then your last playoff win was in twenty eighteen,

994
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 8: when I believe Philip Rivers was in his penultimate season

995
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 8: in it was La or San Diego back then be La.

996
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 10: Yeah, they played that shoe box for a year or whatever.

997
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 10: That soccer stadium was out there.

998
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 4: You know what point is, it was a long time ago.

999
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 7: Yeah. As great, I want to say this too before

1000
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 7: we move on. As great as the story was and

1001
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 7: it was feel good, it was incredible to see a

1002
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 7: four four year old come out and do some of

1003
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 7: the things he did. The one thing that I look

1004
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 7: back on it now that I think really hamstrung. The

1005
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 7: colts Is teams just decided, great, if Philip Rivers can

1006
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 7: beat us, that's fantastic. We're just gonna sell out to

1007
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 7: stop Jonathan Taylor, and the run game just disappeared.

1008
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 10: Yeah, and I mean, to be fair, the run game

1009
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 10: was abysmal his past Sunday any side of Rivers throughout

1010
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 10: the second half.

1011
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 4: Of the year.

1012
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 10: I mean, even when Daniel Jones was playing. You know,

1013
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 10: if you look back on that, well, is it seven

1014
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 10: of eight losses in.

1015
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 4: The year or eight of nine? Is it eight of

1016
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 4: nine of nine?

1017
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 10: You know, you look back on it, I think literally

1018
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 10: the eight losses, he's under like three and a half

1019
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 10: yards per carry every single game. So you know, again,

1020
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 10: Philip Rivers is only quarterback in you for three.

1021
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 4: Of those losses. I don't know if this hypothetical.

1022
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 10: Maybe is worth pointing out, but I am curious this

1023
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 10: thought James, and listening to Carli er Say Gordon yesterday,

1024
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 10: she I thought was pretty adamant that the eight and

1025
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 10: two start the first two months of the season is

1026
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 10: why she is deciding to run it back. The belief

1027
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 10: in that happening again, I guess, is why she's.

1028
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 4: Running it back.

1029
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 10: We just brought up a couple games last segment. So

1030
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 10: let's play this out. Let's say you negatively flip the

1031
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 10: Denver game and the Arizona game. Let's say you call

1032
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 10: that loss loss. Let's say you positively flip Kansas City

1033
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 10: in Seattle. You call both those games that got away

1034
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 10: from me late, you call both those wins. So now

1035
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 10: eight and two becomes what six and four out of

1036
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 10: the gate, you think we're still having the same conversation today.

1037
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 8: No, because I think you're falling out of the contention

1038
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 8: conversation very quickly. At eight and two, you could sit

1039
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 8: up there and say, rightfully, so we're the best team

1040
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 8: in the AFC, You're a top the standings, and you're

1041
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 8: coming off a massive victory in Berlin where JT looked

1042
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 8: like he was in route to be in MVP of

1043
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 8: the league. So I do think had you had a

1044
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 8: couple more losses on the resume and the same sort

1045
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 8: of things unfold with injuries and not finishing to where

1046
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 8: you have a seven and ten season versus I know

1047
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 8: eight nine is what they finished as, but my point

1048
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 8: is how you get to that at the end? I

1049
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 8: think would have changed the calculation of the overall season

1050
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 8: because you couldn't convince yourself at that point that we

1051
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 8: were great for one half of it.

1052
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 7: Yeah, what are the two what's the best to win

1053
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 7: of the season, the Denver win or the Chargers win.

1054
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 10: Yeah, obviously the Chargers was more convincing. I think the

1055
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 10: Chargers were really banged up in that game. Yeah, you

1056
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 10: could probably go either of those.

1057
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 7: I bring that up because these are the teams that

1058
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 7: the Colts did beat this year. Miami looking for a

1059
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 7: new general manager, Denver obviously the number one overall seed.

1060
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 7: Any way you slice it, even even the way that

1061
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 7: they want it, that's that's ends up being a good

1062
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 7: win Tennessee. Look, they you know, looking for the eight.

1063
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 4: Are against teams that are looking for a new coach, right.

1064
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 7: And that was my point. I was going to go

1065
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 7: through the list, but you got there quicker, and that's

1066
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 7: that says what you're saying. How how really, when you

1067
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 7: look at it, how successful was this season? Really?

1068
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 3: Well?

1069
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 10: Again, I think if you just balance out the nature

1070
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 10: to the season, does that lead to Carly all of

1071
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 10: a sudden feeling differently? I don't know. You know, maybe

1072
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 10: if you start six and four, are you still doing

1073
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 10: the Sauce Gardner thing.

1074
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 4: One leverage call going to change anything in that Denver game? Yeah,

1075
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 4: leverage call?

1076
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 10: And you know, obviously, you know, I think the Cults

1077
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 10: would even admit they benefitted from the lack of a call.

1078
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 10: And Trey McBride there in the Arizona game two and

1079
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 10: that one was great defense.

1080
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:41,720
Speaker 4: Now shout out to crys Lamns.

1081
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 7: How much credit do you give them for in a

1082
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 7: lot of these losses too, the Pittsburgh game one one

1083
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 7: score loss, Kansas City one score loss, Houston one score loss,

1084
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 7: I mean Seattle one point, you know, two point look

1085
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 7: at Jacksonville one score laws.

1086
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's what they do though.

1087
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 7: You get it.

1088
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 8: Coach always lose close games, and so I can't look

1089
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 8: at that one.

1090
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 10: Shane said something to you guys, James and you over there,

1091
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 10: credit to the guys that easily could have fallen down.

1092
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 10: I thought to myself, Yeah, seven game losing streak. When

1093
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 10: they were standing up, I'm nervous, what would fallen down?

1094
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, trying to find I get it.

1095
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 8: It's in your nature as a coach, as a player

1096
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 8: to find something you can cling to and say, this

1097
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 8: is what we showed, this is what we did to

1098
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 8: try to fight and cratch. And I know.

1099
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 4: People I bring that with me, the fight like crazy line.

1100
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 8: But your team folds every single year. And actually, one

1101
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 8: of the questions I do want to ask Chris Ballard

1102
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 8: come tomorrow or Thursday, whenever he speaks, is.

1103
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 4: Did your team get any tougher? Because that was the

1104
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 4: point of emphasis.

1105
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 8: That he wanted to make going into between twenty five

1106
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 8: season and I get the all the injuries kind of

1107
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 8: piled up on you, but were you quite frankly tough

1108
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 8: enough to just find a way to win other teams did?

1109
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, And just to be fair to the Colts in

1110
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,959
Speaker 7: that in that seven and one start, they did beat

1111
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 7: up on some of those bad teams, like really beating.

1112
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 4: Well, they beat the hell out of several of those teams.

1113
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 8: So, I mean, I also think it's just I think

1114
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 8: the NFL is the weirdest league when you try to

1115
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 8: go back and nick pick what's a good win versus

1116
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 8: a bad win? I think that this league is so unique.

1117
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 8: It's not the NBA, where a month into it you

1118
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 8: pretty much know it's going to be there at the end.

1119
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 4: It's just not like that.

1120
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 8: And so I don't want to discredit any wins and say, well,

1121
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 8: you didn't win in the right type of fashion.

1122
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 4: Who cares?

1123
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 10: You did win those games, James, you chatted with Taverius

1124
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 10: Award yesterday for several minutes. Again, just I guess set

1125
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 10: up the context around him. Three different concussions this past year. Obviously,

1126
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,439
Speaker 10: the big concussion was the running into Drew Ogletree before

1127
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 10: that Arizona game. You know, Mooney had said several weeks

1128
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 10: ago that you know, symptom wise, that was excruciating for him, dizziness,

1129
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 10: throwing up, debated retirement within that month long absence that

1130
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 10: he had, and you know, he suffered this latest one.

1131
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 10: I forget which game it was Jacksonville Seattle. I don't

1132
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 10: know one of those games late in the season that

1133
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 10: officially took him out for the rest of the year.

1134
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 8: It was Jacksonville because he finished a game but then

1135
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 8: came in the next day symptomatically.

1136
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1137
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 10: What was maybe one or two things that really stood

1138
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 10: out from your conversation with him yesterday?

1139
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 8: Well, the first question I asked him was are you

1140
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 8: thinking about retirement again? And he said absolutely, and then

1141
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 8: went into detail of why I got a family. I

1142
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 8: think about my kids. I have made a lot of money.

1143
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 8: I have supported my family. I've done all the things

1144
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 8: that could have dreamed dreamed of in this game. So

1145
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 8: there is I don't think that there is like this

1146
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 8: yearn for more from him besides the actual love of football.

1147
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 8: There is no goal he has to go reach. I mean,

1148
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 8: he started in multiple Super Bowls, won a Super Bowl,

1149
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 8: as he said, may Hella money and now you have

1150
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 8: to think about your life outside of it. And I

1151
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 8: also think and I wouldn't go there because I don't

1152
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 8: have a relationship with him and I don't want to

1153
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 8: go to the depths of that. But I do think

1154
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 8: part of what informs his decision is losing his daughter,

1155
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 8: you know, I believe a couple of years ago at

1156
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 8: this point, at a young age, when she passed away,

1157
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 8: and knowing that life is pretty fragile. Because even when

1158
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 8: we cut the mics off and we were just talking

1159
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 8: to him, say, yo, man, I was like, man, you

1160
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 8: don't have to be that candid. I was like, I

1161
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 8: appreciate it. But he was like, no, I'm a real one.

1162
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 8: He was like, all right, to tell you guys. He

1163
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 8: was like, look, I want to have a family, a

1164
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 8: bigger family. We want to have more kids. I want

1165
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 8: to be able to remember everything years from now. And

1166
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 8: this is stuff that you usually don't hear for football players.

1167
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 8: So that to me was really a big part of

1168
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 8: the dialogue. So just the willingness to talk about but

1169
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 8: that you're retiring. And then the other part of it

1170
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 8: is just how scary these types of things can be

1171
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 8: when you think about concussions. Because for me personally, I

1172
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 8: won't to say I'm like, I'm like guilty of anything.

1173
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 8: But when a guy gets concussed in the NFL, I

1174
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 8: usually will write it down somewhere or make some note

1175
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 8: of it, and then I'm like, all right, I'll see

1176
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 8: you in a week or two weeks. I don't think

1177
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 8: about what is your life going to look like ten

1178
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 8: years from now, and if you can remember your name

1179
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 8: and where you park your car, and will you be

1180
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 8: the same person just chemically upstairs. So he was very,

1181
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 8: very candid about all of those factors that will ultimately

1182
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 8: plan to his decision. He did say his dad wants

1183
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 8: him to retire, but he also said that he has

1184
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 8: to make the decision for himself and he wants to

1185
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 8: make it soon.

1186
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 10: Yeah, he shared this quote with you guys, and I

1187
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 10: want to read this now. He goes, I did hit

1188
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 10: my head a few days ago and I got a

1189
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 10: crazy headache, So we'll just see how it goes. I'm

1190
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 10: not trying to be dealing with migraines and headaches for

1191
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 10: the rest of my life.

1192
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 7: You know.

1193
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 10: When I hear all of that, it just I find

1194
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 10: it hard pressed to project a twenty two Ony six

1195
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 10: Colts team with Javeria's ward on it. You know, you

1196
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,919
Speaker 10: you laid it out perfectly there, James, I would add,

1197
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 10: what is he twenty nine years old?

1198
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1199
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 10: You know this is not a third year undrafted free

1200
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 10: agent that's trying to get to the second contract. No,

1201
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 10: like you said, he's made a hell of money. His words,

1202
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 10: it's a great career. It is a great NFL career.

1203
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 11: It's a great story. He was undrafted career. I went,

1204
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,479
Speaker 11: did you co rout Kansas City than San Francisco? So yeah,

1205
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 11: it just and this gets into, Jeff a little bit

1206
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 11: of what we discussed in the nine o'clock hour yesterday

1207
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 11: because the Javeri's ward. You know, these these quotes had

1208
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 11: come out as we were doing the show to close

1209
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 11: things out, and you know, this gets into what Carli

1210
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 11: rosse Gordon said yesterday.

1211
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 10: Largely she is banking on running back again. We'll await

1212
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 10: from Chris Ballard when he speaks later this week exactly

1213
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 10: if the plan is going to be altered. I don't

1214
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,720
Speaker 10: know how it can be tweaked substantially, but we'll obviously

1215
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 10: see how the off season plays out. But as of

1216
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 10: right now, they are heavily investing on run it back. Well,

1217
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 10: when you do that, you now are saying to various

1218
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,439
Speaker 10: ward you are a critical piece. Okay, that is sounds iffy. Okay,

1219
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 10: DeForest Buckner, you are a critical piece.

1220
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 4: Okay.

1221
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 10: That's next surgery at the age of thirty one. Has

1222
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 10: it finally caught up to a guy that's frankly a

1223
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 10: Greek god when it comes to you know, his physique

1224
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 10: and playing in the NFL. And then you go to

1225
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 10: Daniel Jones, the most important position in sports. You have

1226
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 10: a quarterback that unfortunately has been off injured in his career.

1227
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 10: Now he's recovering from one of the more serious injuries

1228
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 10: you can have, and you're ask him to do it

1229
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 10: in less than a year. And if I could take

1230
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 10: it one more step further, what do we see from

1231
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 10: Daniel Jones this year? I'd argue two very different quarterbacks.

1232
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 10: When he can move and when he could not move.

1233
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 10: You know, to me, there will be two Daniel Jones

1234
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 10: questions in twenty twenty six. A. Is he playing? B?

1235
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:47,720
Speaker 4: Is he moving?

1236
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 10: Playing is one thing, but he can't just be Philip

1237
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 10: Rivers back there. He's got to move. You brought up

1238
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 10: Tyler Warren earlier. Look at the Tyler Warren numbers when

1239
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 10: Daniel Jones is healthy versus when hell yeah, like I mean,

1240
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 10: you need his movement ability, you don't win. The only

1241
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 10: game the Cults have won since.

1242
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 7: Halloween was what Atlanta.

1243
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna say, Berlin, what happened in that game?

1244
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 10: Daniel Jones's legs wanted as much as Jonathan Taylor's legs won.

1245
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 8: It was it third and twenty one. Get the nineteen

1246
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 8: yard pickup on the ground.

1247
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 10: They have five first downs off of scrambles. I mean,

1248
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 10: you know it's quote kurtz Signetti. Kurtzignetti said it this

1249
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 10: week about Fernando Mendoza. How big of a weapon it

1250
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 10: is when your quarterback can just provide a scrambler to

1251
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 10: I think Bendoza had four or five for first downs

1252
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 10: against Alabama. You know, you look at this Oregon d line.

1253
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 10: You know that to me is another piece where the

1254
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 10: Texas Tech quarterback look like deer in headlights, and Fernando

1255
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 10: Mendez is not that at all. So it just those

1256
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 10: three players when we're ranking the most important players for

1257
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 10: the twenty twenty six Colts, Jones and the Achilles Buckner

1258
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 10: in the neck Mooney and the I guess retirement are

1259
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 10: all very big, big headlines with, in my opinion, some

1260
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:01,439
Speaker 10: serious questions.

1261
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 9: What would you think about Jonathan Taylor? I know, not

1262
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 9: necessarily injury related, but he didn't crack one hundred yards

1263
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 9: the last seven games of the year.

1264
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's a great question, Mark. I think there's a

1265
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 10: little bit of like there's a little bit of it's

1266
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,439
Speaker 10: the running back position in the NFL. You know, it's

1267
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 10: just so hard to sustain. I feel like at running back,

1268
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 10: I wish I could be a little bit more like

1269
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 10: whatever in depth in the analysis, but and I don't know,

1270
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 10: maybe I should be with that.

1271
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 9: But he forecast him being like the workhorse again like

1272
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 9: he was this year, or do you think they might

1273
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 9: actually try to help him out and like relieve him

1274
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 9: so he's not taking on as much, you know, carries

1275
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 9: as he was in the first half of the season,

1276
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 9: because I think that kind of hampered his second half.

1277
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 8: So here's what I'll say about that, Mark, I think

1278
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 8: you're onto something to a degree. But I also want

1279
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 8: to be frank when it comes to running backs in

1280
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 8: your lives in the NFL.

1281
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 4: The Calls didn't pay him all that money to give

1282
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 4: him rest.

1283
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 7: I get it.

1284
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 8: They want to try to keep him fresh enough, but

1285
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 8: I would imagine in his workload looks the exact same

1286
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 8: next year, especially given the stakes of what you're putting

1287
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 8: into next year.

1288
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 10: And Taylor's on the flip side of the bad injury luck. James,

1289
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 10: he wasn't on the injury report one day this year.

1290
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 10: How many starting running backs in the NFL go seventeen

1291
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 10: weeks throughout the season and they don't show up in

1292
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 10: the injury report one time.

1293
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 4: It's actually given his injuryad.

1294
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 10: I'm not saying he missed a practice, he didn't show

1295
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 10: up on it with anything. I mean a guys show

1296
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 10: up on the injury report all the time with limited

1297
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 10: ailments and even full ailments, and he didn't show up

1298
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 10: there one one time. So yeah, I think that's a

1299
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 10: that's a good point.

1300
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 7: So they're running it back, and we know that they

1301
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 7: still have to address their defensive line somehow. Is it

1302
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 7: just going to be from round two back? Kevin? Is

1303
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 7: that it they even look at what might be available

1304
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 7: out there on the on the free agent market?

1305
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 4: Well, you know, money wise.

1306
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Speaker 10: You know, again, we'll probably get more to this as

1307
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 10: March creeps closer, But the contracts of Michael Pittman Junior,

1308
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 10: the contracts of Zira Franklin, the contracts of Kenny Moore

1309
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Speaker 10: the second you know, those are the three that I

1310
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 10: think stand out to me if you just look at

1311
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 10: the sheer decisions I'll have to make, James, there are

1312
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 10: several defensive linemen that are just purely free agents. So yes,

1313
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 10: you like have to make decisions there, Quitty pay Sampson, Ebcom,

1314
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 10: Taekwon Lewis. I think Neville Gallimore might even be a

1315
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Speaker 10: free agent.

1316
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Speaker 8: By the way, I thought Neville Gallimore, I know, he's

1317
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 8: not a household name. Yeah, even here in Indianapolis played

1318
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Speaker 8: pretty good football. Yeah, he actually was a positive game.

1319
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 8: And then out of Tama, out of Barra, I thought

1320
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Speaker 8: had a.

1321
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Speaker 4: Really nice tackles. They did that thing right.

1322
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 10: But edge, yes, I think the group needs to be revamped.

1323
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 10: My question is, how, like, how do you go about

1324
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 10: it given the financial you know, I guess situation you're

1325
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 10: in with Daniel Jones and Alec Pierce, given the lack

1326
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 10: of draft picks, and well you.

1327
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Speaker 4: Just asked Alec Pierce to come back on a team

1328
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 4: friendly deal.

1329
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 7: How you've worked your entire life to get this big contract.

1330
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 10: But wait, I got twenty eight million dollar franchise tag

1331
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 10: will be uh possibly the mode of operation for Peers.

1332
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 10: But Jeff, I mean when you say, hey, whatever, just

1333
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 10: slap a second round pick on it. Yeah, I hate

1334
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 10: to go over second and third round defensive Chris Ballard.

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Speaker 7: That's why I'm wondering, how do you the ultimate question?

1336
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Speaker 7: And I go back to what I said an hour ago,

1337
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 7: how are you going to address that? Because the investment

1338
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 7: that you have made, unless a lot completely takes a

1339
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 7: big step forward this next year, not impossible. But where

1340
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 7: are you going to get that edge rush you? You

1341
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 7: had zero sacks in the last game of the year,

1342
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 7: and you didn't have a ton of sacks most of

1343
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Speaker 7: the time.

1344
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean the huge Jacksonville game. You know, I

1345
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 10: don't believe you sacked. That was the game in the rain.

1346
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Speaker 10: I don't think you sacked. Maybe maybe you didn't even

1347
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 10: hit Lawrence in that game. I'd have to go back

1348
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 10: and double check that. But yeah, it continues to be

1349
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:50,439
Speaker 10: the biggest issue throughout the Ballard era, despite rich rich

1350
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 10: investments into all of that.

1351
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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, the one guy that I that you

1352
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 7: talked about a moment ago, I thought played a really

1353
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 7: good game against the Texans, even against some of their backups.

1354
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 7: I thought, z I hear Franklin was flying all over

1355
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 7: the place on Sunday.

1356
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Speaker 4: People aren't trying to hear that this morning, Jeff.

1357
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 7: I know they're not trying to hear it. But that's

1358
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 7: what happened on Sunday.

1359
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, respectfully, it was a game that meant

1360
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 8: nothing for a guy who has talked a really big

1361
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 8: game in this year in totality, did not back it

1362
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Speaker 8: up at all.

1363
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Speaker 7: Yeah, all right, we'll talk more about that also, Rick

1364
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 7: Carlisle coming up top of the hours the week goes along,

1365
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Speaker 7: we'll talk a little bit more about the Pacers, and man,

1366
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 7: they got a big mountain and a big hole to

1367
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Speaker 7: dig out of. The big mountain to climb and a

1368
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 7: hole it to get up both at the same time.

1369
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 7: Tell you all about it, starting right now.

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Speaker 1: The morning checkdown on ninety sweet five and one oh

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Speaker 1: seven five Fan.

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Speaker 7: Obviously, a big story today is the press conference from

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Speaker 7: carl Orse Gordon yesterday in which she was trying to

1374
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 7: explain why she's bringing back Shane Stiken and Chris Ballard.

1375
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 7: What was the ultimate answer.

1376
01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 8: A higher sense of urgency and believing that with the

1377
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Speaker 8: higher sense of urgency, they can build on their eight

1378
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 8: and two start from this past season. I thought I

1379
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 8: should raise my chair. It's got to say higher sense

1380
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Speaker 8: of urgency. Fucking higher up, Kevin.

1381
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 7: Let me ask you this. She clearly you going into

1382
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Speaker 7: that press conference that was not going to be a

1383
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 7: popular decision that she had made. Did you give her

1384
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 7: credit for saying this is what I think is right

1385
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 7: and this is what I'm gonna do.

1386
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Speaker 10: Yeah, there are you know she got, which I guess

1387
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 10: it's her decision, but yeah, she got the old debate

1388
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 10: of the you know, debate class topic that you don't

1389
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 10: want to get because her poster board lacks a lot

1390
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 10: of substance on that side of it. You know, I'll

1391
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 10: say what I said yesterday. I do think there are

1392
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Speaker 10: a lot of owners. It's not a given herut in

1393
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 10: the league that owners speak when no changes are made.

1394
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 10: So yeah, I do think credit to that now, you

1395
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 10: know whatever, You know, there are a lot of elements

1396
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 10: to yesterday where I think maybe it could have been better.

1397
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 10: But you know, when you're trying to defend what she's

1398
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 10: trying to defend, I don't really know your kind of

1399
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 10: grasping at straws there. So again, urgency going to be

1400
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 10: higher if you want to read them between the lines,

1401
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 10: I guess that means playoffs are bust. I would argue,

1402
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 10: why wasn't the urgency high in year five, six, seven, eight, nine.

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01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 7: Well, that's what we're gonna do. We're going to run

1404
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 7: out of mark.

1405
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 10: You like that counting in there?

1406
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 7: Smirk?

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Speaker 9: Well, I also was thinking it should have been playoffs

1408
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 9: or bust when you started seven to one and eight

1409
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 9: and two.

1410
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 10: I did the Lebron James thing there, right, not one,

1411
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 10: not one.

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01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 7: Not two. Yeah, yeah, we got that. So we may

1413
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 7: hear from Chris Ballard later on this week James possibly.

1414
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, he is going to talk this week. Mark anything crazy.

1415
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 4: It's required by the NFL.

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01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 7: As it not.

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01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 4: Yes, it's correct.

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01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 10: Each GM has to speak, I believe within the first

1420
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Speaker 10: week after the season comes to a close.

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Speaker 7: All Right. Mentioned the Pacers a moment ago. They will

1422
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 7: be at home tonight and they'll be hosting the Cleveland

1423
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 7: Cavaliers six thirty airtime here on the fan, seven o'clock

1424
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 7: tip time. They have lost twelve in a row, tying

1425
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:51,959
Speaker 7: a franchise record for that undesirable result. They are six

1426
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 7: and thirty on the year. It's the worst record of

1427
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 7: the NBA right now. But if there's some good news,

1428
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 7: a guy that's just killed them the first two times

1429
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 7: they've played this year against Cleveland will not be available

1430
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 7: for the Cavaliers tonight.

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01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 10: Yeah, Donovan Mitchell resting. Frankly, the Pacers have had a

1432
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 10: decent amount of this this season, where some of the

1433
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 10: star players of the other team not maybe not necessary resting,

1434
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 10: but have just been out due to injury. Here, what

1435
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 10: did Mitchell have forty two forty three? I think it

1436
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 10: was last time against the Pacers. So yeah, that's a benefit.

1437
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 4: But I mean, you're telling me there's a chance we're.

1438
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 10: A month out of the trade deadline. I don't know

1439
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 10: if I'm ready to ask the same question James I

1440
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 10: asked when Anthony Richardson got hurt. But has Benedic Mathern

1441
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 10: put on a PACER's uniform for the last time?

1442
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 8: That is a very good question. I have been disappointed

1443
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 8: with the lack of development and.

1444
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 7: A great opportunity for him to really step up this

1445
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 7: year too.

1446
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 10: Yes, so him and Jars Walker. Yeah, I don't think

1447
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 10: he's in the Walker category. To be very clear on that.

1448
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 4: No, No, I think he's still a valuable player. I

1449
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 4: do worry about Jeris Walker being a serious rotation player

1450
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 4: in the NBA.

1451
01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 10: And I'm not going to ignore Matherin's injuries either. I

1452
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 10: mean toe and thumb. You know there's a reason behind it.

1453
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 10: But I realized as a franchise too, you're getting to

1454
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 10: a point time where it's you know, you know, water

1455
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 10: get off the pot.

1456
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, so that starts tonight six thirty year times seven

1457
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 7: or seven o'clock.

1458
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 4: Thank you from the call.

1459
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 7: Also seven o'clock tip for the Butler Bulldogs will be

1460
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 7: at Hinklefield House tonight to play Saint John's. Did we

1461
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 7: get a winner on the Family four pack a little

1462
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 7: while ago.

1463
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 4: Mark, Yeah, I sent it to Kevin Well.

1464
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:25,439
Speaker 7: Jim right, Jim, congratulations, Jim. Gonna go watch that one

1465
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 7: in person. If you can't get there and you want

1466
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 7: to listen to it. It's on our sister station Hot

1467
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 7: ninety two points seven six thirty pre game with Mark

1468
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 7: Minner seven pm tip there. The Bulldogs are ten and five,

1469
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 7: but so far just one in three in conference play.

1470
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 7: Maybe we'll try to get a home win tonight. NFL

1471
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,959
Speaker 7: vacancy is around the league for coaching. Cardinals have fired

1472
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 7: Jonathan Gannon. They're looking for a new head coach. Las

1473
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 7: Vegas let go of Pete Carroll yesterday. We all know

1474
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 7: that the New York Giants part of ways with Brian Dable.

1475
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 7: Earlier this year, Cleveland Browns got rid of Kevin Stefanski.

1476
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 7: Tennessee Titans have been looking for a new head coach,

1477
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 7: as will the Atlanta Falcons. Question. Is Matt Ryan the

1478
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 7: guy who's going to hire the new Falcons head coach?

1479
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 3: Yeah? Is it?

1480
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 4: He kind of trying to do the Tom Brady thing

1481
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 4: he's asking to He.

1482
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 8: Does some broadcasts, does some front office work for Atlanta

1483
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:14,439
Speaker 8: Varanche situation for the former Colts legend Matt Ryan.

1484
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 7: I also want to point out, I don't know if

1485
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,439
Speaker 7: you've heard about this, Kevin, but the twenty twenty five

1486
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 7: National Sports Media Association Awards came out this past twenty

1487
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 7: four hours. The Indiana Sportscaster of the Year, Rob Blackman

1488
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 7: from Produced Sports net Work and Christinari share that honor.

1489
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 7: Do you know the Indiana sports writer for twenty twenty

1490
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 7: five the award winner is.

1491
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Speaker 10: I don't and frankly, I don't really care to discuss it. Wow,

1492
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 10: maybe we'll discuss it after the break, because I want

1493
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 10: to say, the man behind the glass might have something

1494
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 10: cooked up.

1495
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 4: Oh in there all right?

1496
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 7: Or it stay tuned for that.

1497
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 4: A lack of respect here is ridiculous, made mutes and

1498
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 4: mikes and what student?

1499
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 7: What did you expect?

1500
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 10: How about this?

1501
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 4: I think we discussed this a little bit last week.

1502
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 10: An early look at playoff weekend coming up here in

1503
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 10: the NFL Saturday, Sunday Monday.

1504
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 4: Of the six games, you have four road favorites, four

1505
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 4: road favorites.

1506
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 10: The Rams are a ten and a half point road

1507
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 10: favorite at Carolina. The home teams that are favorite are

1508
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 10: just favored by right around a field goal. That would

1509
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 10: be Philly over San Francisco and then New England over

1510
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 10: the Chargers. So very interesting on that front.

1511
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 7: You know what's fascinating about That's fascinating about that Rams

1512
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 7: Panthers spread to The Panthers beat the Rams earlier this year,

1513
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 7: just about a month ago, and they're ten and a

1514
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 7: half point favorites, or the Rams are ten and a

1515
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 7: half point favorites on the road for that one right there,

1516
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,760
Speaker 7: So it'll be fascinating. I am also fascinated James to

1517
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 7: see Steelers and Texans. What's this Steelers team really all about?

1518
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 10: That's our Monday night game, right, Yeah.

1519
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 7: What's that about? They're just grinding out wins. They won

1520
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 7: their division. The Texans had a terrific second half of

1521
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 7: the season. What do you think is likely to happen

1522
01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 7: in that game?

1523
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 4: So is Texan Steelers? Yeah, I'm picking the Texans.

1524
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 8: I feel like the Steelers do us every year where

1525
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 8: they get into the playoffs and they lose in the

1526
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,719
Speaker 8: first round. And I believe they haven't had a playoff

1527
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 8: win since I want to say, twenty sixteen.

1528
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been so I am betting.

1529
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 7: Against them, betting favorite for the Super Bowl right now?

1530
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 7: Kevin the Seattle Seahawks.

1531
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 4: Boy, this is just a wide open year. Just a

1532
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 4: wide open year.

1533
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, all right, we will get a little something something

1534
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 7: from Mark Didyton based on our previous conversation. Next, it's

1535
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 7: ninety three five one on seven five, Damn right, you will.

1536
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: They see sed a fan morning show with KB jab

1537
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 1: and Jeff.

1538
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1539
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 8: I like the Dad Bobe man. Can I move it

1540
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 8: and flick it? Maybe I'll make it work. I got

1541
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 8: to see him come out of the shower.

1542
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 4: Ooh, give me the rebound. Yeah, baby, go ahead, give

1543
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 4: what is that?

1544
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 5: I made?

1545
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 7: Your award?

1546
01:09:55,479 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 4: I want to It's like dicks on steroids.

1547
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 7: When it go James Boyd. They give you a They

1548
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 7: give you a certificate, a statue and award for being

1549
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 7: the sports right of the Indiana.

1550
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 4: The best gift that I get.

1551
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 8: Right there, Boy, you forget the things you say on

1552
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,839
Speaker 8: these airways, said.

1553
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 4: The man behind the class. Certainly doesn't forget it.

1554
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 9: I was putting that together last night. Now Ashley's listened

1555
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 9: to it. She's like, well, don't you have nice stuff.

1556
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 9: I'm like, I have saved the nice audio.

1557
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 8: Shout out to Ashley looking out for you.

1558
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:32,639
Speaker 10: Boy, It's all love. Go to my phone here, Okay,

1559
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 10: texted Mark dyked in at nine to eleven pm last night.

1560
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 10: Will you get some congrats music or mini montage together

1561
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 10: for one break tomorrow?

1562
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 4: Mark, I don't know if I had that in mind.

1563
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 7: Well, yes, you're looking at Looking at him was bad.

1564
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,480
Speaker 4: I was talking about the store by the way, what's okay,

1565
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 4: Shields the store out in I believe last time I

1566
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 4: was in one was in Nebraska, and I described it

1567
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 4: as the audio you just heard for those that missed it.

1568
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 10: The National Sports Media Award the winner here from a

1569
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:04,719
Speaker 10: writing standpoint in the state of Indiana. Congratulations one, James

1570
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 10: boy schout out to Christen Area Blackman on the broadcasting

1571
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 10: side of it, James, and all seriousness, I think one

1572
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 10: thing that I admire from you big time is a

1573
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,520
Speaker 10: your work ethic and B how much you've embraced this market.

1574
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 10: I don't think that's very easy to do. And you've

1575
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 10: treated us like it's your home. And I think a

1576
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 10: lot of people really really appreciate that about you.

1577
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 7: So great, great work.

1578
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 10: Congrats, well deserved, and uh yeah, off to Charlotte.

1579
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 7: Is that right?

1580
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 8: I believe it's in Charlotte in June for the awards ceremony.

1581
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 8: I told my parents about on my I've bet to

1582
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 8: get on that plane.

1583
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 4: Are we going a show trip for that show? I'm

1584
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 4: going Come on, Matt, do you get a table?

1585
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 3: Can we?

1586
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 8: I don't know how it goes, you know, free drinks

1587
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 8: and all that National Sports Media Association, But in all seriousness, yeah,

1588
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 8: I appreciate it. It's been a hell of a ride

1589
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 8: here in Indiana. Got my first job in this state

1590
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 8: now eight years ago, so I think I consider it home.

1591
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 8: I viewed as home and so it was really cool

1592
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:07,600
Speaker 8: to capture so many great sports story, sports moments for

1593
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 8: this city in state within the past year and hoping

1594
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 8: to keep it going. But I will say real quick,

1595
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 8: and the graphic they put out there, does the rewards

1596
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 8: still count for me, Rob Blackman and christ Deniery if

1597
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 8: the outline of the state is wrong?

1598
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:21,879
Speaker 7: Yeah, I saw that that was Mississippi Indiana.

1599
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, not Indiana.

1600
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 8: So we're still getting disrespected even when I win the

1601
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 8: little old who's your state?

1602
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 4: Mark disrespected?

1603
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 7: Mark made that graphic.

1604
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 10: I got nervous here covering old myths here coming up

1605
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 10: in the festival.

1606
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 4: I got so many.

1607
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 8: Jokes about that. But yeah, I got a bunch of

1608
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 8: people to respond to, and I do appreciate everyone kind

1609
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 8: of giving me that love. And like I said, just

1610
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:44,759
Speaker 8: got to keep working because, as you know, in this city,

1611
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 8: particularly when it comes to the coast, there is never

1612
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 8: a dull moment.

1613
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,640
Speaker 7: All seriousness. When you and I first spoke, I don't know,

1614
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 7: eight nine months ago, maybe maybe even longer than that. Now, Yeah,

1615
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 7: about eight nine months ago about maybe coming to work

1616
01:12:57,880 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 7: and doing some stuff with us. One of the things

1617
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 7: that I had liked about you is what Kevin said

1618
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 7: is you've really embraced this city. But I like the

1619
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 7: fact that people know you from your cult's covers. That's

1620
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,480
Speaker 7: kind of your day in, day out job. You're always

1621
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 7: You were at the Pacers games for all of their run.

1622
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 7: You showed up to the feet. I saw you at

1623
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 7: Fever games all the time, and I see you at

1624
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 7: high school basketball games, at high school football games. And

1625
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 7: because you're kind of a man after my own heart,

1626
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 7: because I like all those things too. But to Kevin's point,

1627
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 7: you've embraced this city and you've made it your own,

1628
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 7: and you're out and about and you're in the middle

1629
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 7: of it all the time. Whether people like what you

1630
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 7: write or they don't like what you write, because that

1631
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 7: just comes with the territory. You are there and you

1632
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 7: show up and you ask questions and you care. And

1633
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 7: that means.

1634
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 9: SNY put up with all that with three hours of

1635
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 9: Shenanigan's here.

1636
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 8: Yes, I know, I know, I will say, you know,

1637
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 8: I haven't had a false start here in the morning

1638
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 8: show and quite some time, so.

1639
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 7: Keeping the street, we'll see what next week looks like.

1640
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:57,639
Speaker 4: Well, you know.

1641
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 8: I live pretty close now. So and then, like you said,

1642
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 8: I'm an award winning journalist. Maybe I'll just get the

1643
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 8: show for to pick me up. Kevin, how your phone ready?

1644
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 7: Do we get I need to get some sound from

1645
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,679
Speaker 7: Jim Cutler saying an award winning journalist.

1646
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:12,640
Speaker 4: Oh, I just thinking I should I put this in

1647
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 4: my bio.

1648
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 8: Nah man, the awards come from a lot of years

1649
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 8: of work. But really it's a way to I guess,

1650
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 8: celebrate with everybody else about you know how cool the

1651
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:23,639
Speaker 8: state is the story they get to tell.

1652
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 4: And thank you.

1653
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 8: Off listening reading all of the above, and for those

1654
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,640
Speaker 8: who are hating on your boy, I appreciate the admiration.

1655
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:32,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, I got my athletic subscription back out of nowhere.

1656
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 7: It disappeared out of nowhere. I couldn't get in all

1657
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 7: the time. Hey, Like, I spent hours on the phone.

1658
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 7: I was on chats. They're like, yeah, it seems to

1659
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 7: be working. There's nothing we can do about it. I said,

1660
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 7: can we just reset it?

1661
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 10: That go?

1662
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 7: No, it just is what it is. And then finally

1663
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 7: it just started working again.

1664
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 4: Hey, you said you did? You called your boy? I'm

1665
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:49,799
Speaker 4: like the mayor now I told.

1666
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 7: You and you shot you shrugged your shoulders are like, yeah, nothing,

1667
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 7: I can.

1668
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:54,680
Speaker 10: Do page in New York Times that I have anyway.

1669
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 7: Congratulations James, that's really cool. All seriousness, Uh, speaking of

1670
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:02,679
Speaker 7: things that happen in the ersa world yesterday, it looks

1671
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:05,600
Speaker 7: like one of the last pieces of property that the

1672
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 7: family hasn't sold yet from Jim Mersey's collection Properties has

1673
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 7: now found a buyer up in Culver on the Lake.

1674
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 7: The lake House there nineteen point nine million dollar lake

1675
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:16,919
Speaker 7: house property.

1676
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 10: Is that why the press conference started?

1677
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 7: Lay it? Maybe? Among its extravagant amenities. The Star reports

1678
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 7: that the home features an entertainment complex with a professional

1679
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 7: grade four lane bowling alley kind of like your apartment,

1680
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 7: James Arcade gaming area, state of the art indoor shooting range,

1681
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:36,719
Speaker 7: and a club style bar. Was seating for twenty thirteen,

1682
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 7: nine and fifty six square feet on the lake, eight bedrooms,

1683
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 7: ten baths, Oh baby, and it says the personal touch

1684
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 7: of Versae, who helped design the home he built in

1685
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 7: two thousand and one.

1686
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 10: For what it's worth, did ask Carlis Gordon yesterday about

1687
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 10: paying multiple head coaches, multiple gms, multiple staffs. I guess

1688
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 10: if that was a factor in this decision at all.

1689
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 10: That was met with a very very quick and short

1690
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 10: answer of something to the effect of, we'll do anything

1691
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 10: we need to to win and finish games. I know

1692
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 10: it's a topic we have discussed, not in great detail

1693
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 10: here recently, but it's a question I get a lot.

1694
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 10: I mean, hell, I don't even know my own finances,

1695
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 10: so me trying to, you know, look into somebody else's

1696
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 10: finances is probably a stupid idea.

1697
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 8: But she's gonna lean forward and say, Kevin, do you

1698
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:24,639
Speaker 8: think I'm broke?

1699
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 4: How dare you?

1700
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 10: It's a it's a question that I get a lot

1701
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 10: from people asking about whatever the NFL richness of this

1702
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 10: cult's operation and if they are willing to, you know,

1703
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 10: whatever spend with the rest of the big NFL spenders.

1704
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think.

1705
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 10: It's a I think it's a tough topic to really

1706
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 10: get into into because the easy answers, like, dude, they're

1707
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,599
Speaker 10: an NFL ownership, of course they're rich.

1708
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 4: Of course they can just spend it.

1709
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:00,080
Speaker 10: There are levels, and we've seen the cults from a

1710
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 10: agency standpoint been a little bit more of the again

1711
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 10: on the frugal side of it here. So yeah, I

1712
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 10: don't know if necessarily selling of the lake House has

1713
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 10: anything to do with it. Although, boy, nineteen million, can

1714
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:14,680
Speaker 10: you imagine what that thing looks like.

1715
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 7: They sold off a bunch of multimillion dollar properties just

1716
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 7: in the within what the the eight nine months.

1717
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 10: Yeah, and I'd have to double stretch how that inheritance

1718
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 10: tax works. But you know, I think the valuation of

1719
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 10: the franchise is north of six billion, and I believe

1720
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 10: your inheritance tax is a whatever decent chunk of that.

1721
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 10: I under the impression you can spread that out a bit,

1722
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 10: but that's still a you know, good size of money here.

1723
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 10: And if you were to fire stiking and Ballard with

1724
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 10: what one year left for Ballard, three for stike In

1725
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 10: and High, I mean that's about a thirty to forty

1726
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 10: million dollar decision.

1727
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:54,759
Speaker 7: So you know, yeah, nothing something to keep in mind.

1728
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 7: So what we do know, as we've been talking about

1729
01:17:57,280 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 7: for the last twenty four hours now, and we'll start

1730
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 7: to move on to some other things here, But the

1731
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 7: Colts have decided carl Ers Gordon and her sisters have

1732
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:06,639
Speaker 7: decided that they are going to run it back. Chris

1733
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 7: Ballad returns for a tenth season. Shane Steiken is going

1734
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 7: to be back. He of the seven and twenty two

1735
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 7: record against winning teams, And I'll ask you guys about

1736
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:18,599
Speaker 7: this one more time. No question, he's a bright offensive mind.

1737
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 7: I like some of the things he does. Like with

1738
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 7: any play caller, you can point to things that you

1739
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 7: don't like or why do they do that or whatever,

1740
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 7: But I think for the most part, he puts together

1741
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 7: really solid offensive game plans. I think when he has

1742
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,679
Speaker 7: the right quarterback who can run that system, they're going

1743
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 7: to score points. Their biggest problem this year is they

1744
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 7: could never get stops when they needed him too. Is

1745
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 7: he a legitimate head coach or is he really an

1746
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:41,760
Speaker 7: offensive coordinator in disguise as a head coach?

1747
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 8: James, that is the money question, I think, and around

1748
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 8: about way to answer your question, Jeff, if he had

1749
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 8: gotten letting go, he would have had plenty of suitors

1750
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 8: to offer him off as a coordinator job. But when

1751
01:18:57,320 --> 01:19:01,840
Speaker 8: it comes to the overall tenure, there needs to be

1752
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 8: more success against better teams and winning games late in

1753
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:05,479
Speaker 8: the season.

1754
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1755
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:07,600
Speaker 7: I want to point out something that somebody mentioned on

1756
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 7: the on the text line too. That is interesting conversation

1757
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 7: more than anything, but I get the point, and it

1758
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 7: was when you look at the other some of the

1759
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 7: other franchises and the college program that are going right now.

1760
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 7: The Pacers have Halliburton, the Fever have Caitlin Clark. Certainly,

1761
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 7: the Indiana Hoosiers now have Kurt Signetti. You got Matt

1762
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 7: Paynter up with Purdue. These are not only successful people,

1763
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 7: but they've got kind of an it factor to him too.

1764
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 7: Do the Colts have anybody like that? Right there?

1765
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 4: In way and say Marcus Freeman?

1766
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 7: Marcus Freeman certainly has. You can touch him if.

1767
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 4: You want to.

1768
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:50,679
Speaker 10: One question, Well, the Ease answers no for the Colts.

1769
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:52,759
Speaker 10: One question I do have in regards to the Colt situation.

1770
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 10: Right now, we see Loui an Rimo's name being floated

1771
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 10: around in New York, Tennessee. Would that be a good

1772
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,680
Speaker 10: thing for the Colts. It'd be a good thing to

1773
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 10: have a third defensive coordinator in three years?

1774
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 4: I actually don't know.

1775
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 8: And talking to low to law To in particular, he

1776
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 8: was saying, Yo, I appreciate having Chris Ballad and Shane here.

1777
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 8: Now what is a player going to say if you

1778
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:16,360
Speaker 8: ask him that question? But the point was I asked

1779
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:18,640
Speaker 8: some continuity, I know the system I'm going to be

1780
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:19,679
Speaker 8: in the defense.

1781
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 4: In particular, I'm going to be in.

1782
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 8: So he was very excited about the opportunity to grow

1783
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 8: within what lou was doing. If he talked about, hey,

1784
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:30,040
Speaker 8: on one play, I'm might be rushing the quarterback and another play,

1785
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 8: I'm dropping in coverage and I get that, and he

1786
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 8: would say this, he wants to have more sacks and

1787
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 8: be more dominant in that aspect of his game because

1788
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 8: that's ultimately what he was drafted for. Not to be

1789
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 8: the defensive end that gets a couple of interceptions, which

1790
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 8: is not to get on too much of a tangent.

1791
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 8: That to me is more like if of an anomaly

1792
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 8: than if you were to go out there and get

1793
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 8: ten sacks, Like you're not gonna get three picks next year.

1794
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 4: You got to get three picks the rest of your career.

1795
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 8: But point is he was saying he doesn't want what

1796
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 8: not doesn't want to but he's embracing the opportunity to

1797
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 8: be in the same system again.

1798
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 7: All Right, we'll talk more about that. Rick Carlisle coming

1799
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 7: up top of the hour to talk about the Pacers.

1800
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:06,639
Speaker 7: I want to talk a little bit about the Indiana

1801
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 7: Hoosiers who were getting ready for, by the way, a

1802
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 7: national semi final game in the college football playoffs on

1803
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 7: Friday night. Kurt Signetti is on fire in so many

1804
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 7: different ways. We'll talk about it, Nick dating myself Mark

1805
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 7: one of my all time favorite songs from one of

1806
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 7: my all time favorite bands and one of my all

1807
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 7: time favorite albums. Right there, Thanks great one much that

1808
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 7: may or may not have been on in my car

1809
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 7: in the last forty eight.

1810
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 9: Hours Spotify, we'repped twenty twenty.

1811
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:33,639
Speaker 4: There you go.

1812
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 7: It is a Tuesday morning. The Colt's gonna rerack it

1813
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 7: and run it back for twenty twenty six, probably make

1814
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 7: a few on the field personnel changes, and we'll talk

1815
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 7: more about that a little bit later on Rick Carlisle

1816
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 7: at nine thirty this morning, not at nine nine thirty

1817
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 7: this morning, So we're looking forward to that. But I

1818
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:51,640
Speaker 7: did want to talk about an article I saw on

1819
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 7: the Indie Star to day about Kurt Signetti now being

1820
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:57,680
Speaker 7: kind of name the portal King after Lane Kiffin now

1821
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 7: has gone to LSU and wants to start recruiting more

1822
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:04,839
Speaker 7: of the high school talent down there. It really is amazing,

1823
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 7: amazing what Kurt Signetti has done with this program. We

1824
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 7: know about that in the last two years. Nobody's gonna

1825
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 7: go down that road again, but we didn't have a

1826
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 7: huge chance to talk about it yesterday. We mentioned it

1827
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 7: once or twice. But what he's doing in the portal

1828
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 7: right now, like he's almost getting the pick of what

1829
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:24,760
Speaker 7: he wants right now, Kevin at Indiana, he's choosing who

1830
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 7: he wants to come to the program.

1831
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:26,759
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1832
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 10: I you know when you say the at Indiana part,

1833
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 10: I would point more to the football history and the

1834
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 10: stunner there right than to the finances. Like I think,

1835
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 10: deep down you always knew if this was ever going

1836
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 10: to happen to Indiana and again commitment from Scott Dolsen,

1837
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:47,559
Speaker 10: Pam Witten, et cetera, et cetera, that there's enough alumni

1838
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,840
Speaker 10: there that loves sports that will happily pay. So that

1839
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 10: to me is probably word. It's more of just like

1840
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 10: the wow Signetti is you know how quickly he has

1841
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 10: turned this around. So yeah, I mean you look at

1842
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:01,599
Speaker 10: all the portal rank and he's not dame message boards

1843
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 10: and freaking meltdowns over here. So you know they had

1844
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 10: a great plan and that's the thing that he has mastered.

1845
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:12,800
Speaker 10: The CEO element to Signetti is really really incredible. You know,

1846
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:14,760
Speaker 10: in Okay, we're gonna be in the midst of a

1847
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 10: playoff run, and yet we're also gonna make sure we

1848
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 10: carve out the necessary time because the schedule is really

1849
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 10: stupid and you have to execute the portal here while

1850
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 10: the playoff is still going on. And we're going to

1851
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 10: be able to do that and still prepare for, you know,

1852
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 10: beating Organ on Friday night.

1853
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 7: It's it's just been so fun to watch this remarkable

1854
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 7: transformation in such a short period of time. It's I

1855
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 7: can't get over. Indiana is playing as a favorite in

1856
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 7: the National semi finals, and they're probably the favorite to

1857
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 7: win it all right now.

1858
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 10: Oh, they're easily the favorite. Yeah, I mean, if you

1859
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:50,719
Speaker 10: if you look at the Betty Nods, they are certainly

1860
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 10: the favorite.

1861
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:51,720
Speaker 4: I think they are.

1862
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 10: James, I don't know what you think of Oregon that

1863
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:55,759
Speaker 10: you know, he touched on it yesterday when you left.

1864
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 10: I'm not this one that's like, hey, it's hard to

1865
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 10: beat the team twice, blah blah blah. Look back at

1866
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:02,919
Speaker 10: that game and thought Indiana had a lot of penalties

1867
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 10: in that game. I believe it might have been their

1868
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 10: season high in penalties. I'd have a lot of that.

1869
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 10: It's just pure road environment in that game, you know,

1870
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 10: Charlie Becker hadn't really emerged, and he is not just

1871
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 10: some whatever one catch wonder. This is a guy that

1872
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 10: is a legit whatever top three option for you from

1873
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:22,720
Speaker 10: a white out core standpoint. And you know, when I

1874
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 10: look at Dante Moore, I kind of get some CJ.

1875
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 10: Stroud vibes. I think, when the pocket is clean, that's

1876
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:33,719
Speaker 10: a legit, legit quarterback. I get why the NFL interest

1877
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 10: is there and all of that. I think when you

1878
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 10: start to muddy things, though I don't really know if

1879
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:42,919
Speaker 10: he plays well. What do they call it, the horses

1880
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 10: the mutters right when it's sloppy. I don't think he's

1881
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 10: a mutter. I think when you are able to create

1882
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:51,720
Speaker 10: some havoc around him in this Indiana d line, I

1883
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:53,639
Speaker 10: think we'll do that. Didn't they sack him six times

1884
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 10: in the first meeting. I think I sacked him on

1885
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,000
Speaker 10: the first play. I hadn't been sacked all year. I

1886
01:24:58,080 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 10: think that will be the difference again. If you let

1887
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:02,760
Speaker 10: him operate, he can stroud you up. But if you

1888
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 10: start to make that a little mutter, I don't think

1889
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 10: he's handling that very well.

1890
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 7: A lot more of conversation on that to come for

1891
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:10,519
Speaker 7: the rest of the week. While we're talking about in

1892
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 7: state college sports, I will address Notre Dame. You said

1893
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 7: yesterday very emphatically, Kevin, you had things to say about

1894
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:19,640
Speaker 7: Michael Shrewsbury. Yeah, the head coach of Nebraska or for

1895
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:20,600
Speaker 7: Notre Dames.

1896
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 10: And I need another hour to wait on it, James,

1897
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 10: your thoughts on.

1898
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 8: Order, You need another Yeah, So, looking at Oregon, I

1899
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:29,760
Speaker 8: think their defense is Legit can't dismiss that they shut

1900
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:31,799
Speaker 8: out a Texas Tech team that was playing great football

1901
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 8: coming into it. I believe Texas te Can only lost

1902
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:37,639
Speaker 8: maybe one game all year heading into the college football playoffs,

1903
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:40,639
Speaker 8: so to shut them out is no small task. So again,

1904
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 8: with a lot of these college football games, it comes

1905
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 8: down to can you avoid the disaster play on your end,

1906
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:49,720
Speaker 8: and you overcame that in the previous matchup with the

1907
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 8: pick six, but also can you keep them from having

1908
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 8: like the explosive plays that can flip the game, Because

1909
01:25:57,280 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 8: I do think if you get into a grind out

1910
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:01,799
Speaker 8: game and you four them to have to go twelve

1911
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 8: to fifteen plays on the field, given their defensive line

1912
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:06,760
Speaker 8: and how stout IU is on that side of the ball.

1913
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 8: That bodes well for you, But you know, can you

1914
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 8: limit the explosives and make them have to beat you

1915
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 8: a long way? Because I just don't think that's really

1916
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 8: going to be possible if you get into that matchup.

1917
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 4: So I'm excited for it.

1918
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Speaker 8: I do think that Oregon had a chance to win

1919
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 8: this game, and I didn't think that really going into

1920
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 8: the previous Coastball playoff game for the IU Hoosers against Alabama.

1921
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 8: But when you look at Oregon, they're legit to me

1922
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 8: and they have a shot to win it too.

1923
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 7: All right, Like I said, we're talking about it all

1924
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:36,600
Speaker 7: week long. Friday night. Just to be clear, Okay, you

1925
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 7: already know that I'm not even looking for picts yet.

1926
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 4: You already know that I'm not big enough.

1927
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 10: No, I do think the Oregon d line is impressive.

1928
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 10: But I watched that Orange Bowl on Saturday, and I

1929
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 10: thor whenever that was, I guess it wasn't Saturday's New

1930
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 10: Year's Day. That quarterback just was so dear in headlights

1931
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 10: for Texas Tech and Mendoza just I don't think he

1932
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:03,760
Speaker 10: operates in that manner at all. So I think, you know, again,

1933
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:05,720
Speaker 10: his ability to extend a couple of plays. You know,

1934
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:08,760
Speaker 10: things like that, we'll see and I guess if the

1935
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:10,240
Speaker 10: Raiders getting the number one pick, we'll see if for

1936
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 10: Nanda Mendoza gets paired up with his idol and Tom

1937
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:14,680
Speaker 10: Brady out there, and what the head coach would be like.

1938
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 10: But I saw Brian Flores is the betting favorite for

1939
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:21,599
Speaker 10: the Raiders job. So not the offensive style if they

1940
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:24,600
Speaker 10: go that route, but I could have some impact on Mendoza.

1941
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 10: Josh Hoover is that right for the IU quarterback? So

1942
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:31,080
Speaker 10: it's not little Mendoza tcud. I see that price tag

1943
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:32,680
Speaker 10: about four million for him.

1944
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:33,960
Speaker 4: I didn't see that, but.

1945
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 7: Boy oh baby's good work if you can get it wild. Yep.

1946
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:42,320
Speaker 7: The last thing on your point about Mendoza, when things

1947
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 7: start to get muddy or whatever, you take a look

1948
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 7: at that first hit he took against Ohio State. He

1949
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:48,640
Speaker 7: elevated his game after that.

1950
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Speaker 10: Sure, he's like, okay, well, and look at the Alabama start.

1951
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:53,680
Speaker 10: I mean, that wasn't a great start. Obviously, they go

1952
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 10: three and out, and I thought one of the most

1953
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 10: important parts of that game was right there in that

1954
01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 10: early sequence. Alabama gets a short field, they get nothing

1955
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 10: out of it, and then Indiana's backed up and they

1956
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:06,719
Speaker 10: carve out the big you know whatever. That was eighty

1957
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 10: yard drive, converted several third downs. Yeah, that's still kind

1958
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 10: of in the early portion of the game where you know,

1959
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:15,720
Speaker 10: who knows. And after that, obviously the onslaught was on.

1960
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:19,360
Speaker 7: All right, Uh Ricarla coming up about thirty five minutes.

1961
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:21,840
Speaker 7: Stay tuned for that. We'll talk more about the cults

1962
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 7: and what they do next as we continue at ninety

1963
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:24,920
Speaker 7: three five one oh seveny five.

1964
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 3: The fan.

1965
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 7: And what does that mean when Carli Ersa Gordon says

1966
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 7: I'm excited to give them what they deserve this coming year?

1967
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 7: What does that mean?

1968
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1969
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,799
Speaker 10: I assume that means winning.

1970
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 7: You know again, does that mean every possible resource they

1971
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 7: can imagine?

1972
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 10: Well, I mean, correct what I'm wrong? If she's speaking

1973
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 10: to I'm excited, and what was exactly what I'm looking

1974
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 10: forward to give?

1975
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 7: Give them what they deserve?

1976
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 4: They is the fans, right, they's not ballut and stiking right.

1977
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:01,559
Speaker 7: That I took it as everything everybody.

1978
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, she understands why they're pissed and she

1979
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 9: wants to deliver for them, right, Yeah, I don't.

1980
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 4: What they deserve. That's got to be the fans.

1981
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 10: Yeah, so I you know, you could make the argument

1982
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 10: that Bout and STI I can deserve to be gone, frankly,

1983
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:17,840
Speaker 10: if you want to just boil it down to as

1984
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:21,040
Speaker 10: simple as that. So again, Mike, you know, I think

1985
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:23,559
Speaker 10: there was some clarity yesterday, certainly, and I think there

1986
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 10: were also, you know, some continued questions. The clarity would be, Okay,

1987
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 10: why are they back? They're back because the first two

1988
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:31,040
Speaker 10: months in the job this twenty twenty five season, the

1989
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 10: first two months outweighed everything else. We had the debate

1990
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 10: now for several weeks, will this be a one one

1991
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:38,720
Speaker 10: year evaluation or a nine year evaluation.

1992
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:40,480
Speaker 4: It ended up being a one year evaluation.

1993
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 10: The sauce Gardner trade was a component, and then being

1994
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 10: brought back. And then when you hear there's a higher

1995
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:49,760
Speaker 10: sense of urgency this year than there was last year,

1996
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 10: I assume that means playoffs are busts. She would not

1997
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:55,599
Speaker 10: say that when pressed about it. I would assume that's

1998
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 10: what it means. Of course, the counter to that would

1999
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:01,320
Speaker 10: be I would argue that there should have been a

2000
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 10: higher sense of urgency after a year five or six,

2001
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:05,639
Speaker 10: or seven or eight.

2002
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 7: All right, So as we start to wrap up this

2003
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:12,720
Speaker 7: portion of the Colts postseason where immediately she said she

2004
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:15,400
Speaker 7: made this decision what a week ago? About a week

2005
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 7: ago something like that. Yep, that's what she's saying now,

2006
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:21,840
Speaker 7: whether you like it or not, whether you're pissed or not,

2007
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:25,679
Speaker 7: to use her words, Shane Steikeen's coming back, Chris Ballard's

2008
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:29,120
Speaker 7: coming back. Where does the focus start to go from here?

2009
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:31,840
Speaker 7: Now that we know that part is decided and done,

2010
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:34,439
Speaker 7: how do they go about filling the holes on this

2011
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 7: roster that they need to fill? And maybe it's to

2012
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:40,120
Speaker 7: start by what Kevin had talked about earlier. Who's coming

2013
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:42,599
Speaker 7: back from the roster that you have right now? Guys

2014
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:46,840
Speaker 7: like Michael Pittman junior, guys like Kenny Moore, Guys like

2015
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 7: Zire Franklin, who is coming back? What do you do

2016
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:51,240
Speaker 7: with Alec Pierce? Is that what we're looking at in

2017
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 7: the next eight to ten weeks.

2018
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:57,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm not sure when free agency starts up. I

2019
01:30:57,040 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 8: want to say it's March.

2020
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:00,240
Speaker 4: I guess usually like a second week of March, so

2021
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:02,880
Speaker 4: I get all my days mixed up. They just run

2022
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:03,679
Speaker 4: together at some point.

2023
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 8: But yeah, that'll be a bridge we crossed there when

2024
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:08,880
Speaker 8: it comes to official free agency because Priorty number one

2025
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:13,800
Speaker 8: is resigning Daniel Jones, and he was very diplomatic, I

2026
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:17,120
Speaker 8: thought yesterday said he liked to come back and certainly

2027
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:19,559
Speaker 8: liked to experience with the franchise, but also said it's

2028
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 8: a business. And I do think the Achilles injury actually

2029
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:27,120
Speaker 8: probably makes it easier to retain him, because I don't

2030
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 8: know how many teams want to hitch their wagon to that,

2031
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 8: given that he did not play for them last year.

2032
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 4: So he's probaty number one.

2033
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:37,719
Speaker 8: Priority Number two should be Alec Pierce and doing whatever

2034
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 8: you have to to keep him in a Colt's uniform

2035
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:44,479
Speaker 8: at whether that means tagging him or giving him a

2036
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:48,760
Speaker 8: massive extension, whatever the case may be. He should not

2037
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 8: be going anywhere, and I don't care if you have

2038
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:52,040
Speaker 8: to get rid of Michael Pivian Junior to do that.

2039
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 4: Kennymore than Second Xia or Franklin, whoever.

2040
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 8: He's earned the right to be your number one receiver

2041
01:31:57,080 --> 01:31:59,599
Speaker 8: moving forward, and he's earned a nice pay raise.

2042
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:02,719
Speaker 4: So that's what we're looking at now. Just roster construction.

2043
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 8: How do you try to iron out perhaps some of

2044
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:08,360
Speaker 8: the issues you had last year and build on the

2045
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 8: first half of last year, although again I will say

2046
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:16,280
Speaker 8: running it back with this group, I'm not sure how

2047
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:20,000
Speaker 8: many big changes you can make besides hoping you're just

2048
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 8: healthy enough to get to the finish line next year,

2049
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:25,200
Speaker 8: to see if you get into the playoffs. I started

2050
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:26,720
Speaker 8: winning something of significance.

2051
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:28,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, And we talked about that first half of the

2052
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:30,200
Speaker 7: year and the seven to one started eight and two,

2053
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:31,759
Speaker 7: if you want to take it out to the ten games,

2054
01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:34,120
Speaker 7: and Kevin, we talked about who they played and what

2055
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:37,639
Speaker 7: they did and all those kinds of things. Is running

2056
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:40,639
Speaker 7: this team back if they stay healthy, if they stay

2057
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:44,040
Speaker 7: relatively healthy all year long next year, is that still

2058
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:48,960
Speaker 7: enough to conquer a rising Jaguars team, a pretty well

2059
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:51,479
Speaker 7: set Houston Texans team. I mean, you got two pretty

2060
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:53,280
Speaker 7: decent teams in your division now you're gonna have to

2061
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:53,640
Speaker 7: deal with.

2062
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:57,519
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think, you know, projecting ahead to twenty twenty six, obviously,

2063
01:32:57,560 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 10: I have a long time to discuss this. I think

2064
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:01,559
Speaker 10: it'll be interesting because you know, when you look at

2065
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:04,519
Speaker 10: the season on paper, if you're banking on Daniel Jones

2066
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:06,880
Speaker 10: being your starting quarterback for you know, a good chunk

2067
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:11,000
Speaker 10: of the season, theoretically, the hope there is you're going

2068
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:12,760
Speaker 10: to be at your best at the end of the

2069
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:15,400
Speaker 10: year versus the start of the year.

2070
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 4: That's true, and boy, you know that is not the

2071
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:18,759
Speaker 4: case with this team.

2072
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 3: Now.

2073
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:21,960
Speaker 10: We heard her yesterday on many occasions say we need

2074
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:24,880
Speaker 10: to win, we need to finish games. What if you

2075
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:28,599
Speaker 10: reverse it next year, meaning what if you get off

2076
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:31,800
Speaker 10: to the slow ish start but then you get to

2077
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 10: the better finish? Is that enough in her eyes? Like

2078
01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:41,120
Speaker 10: I guess when you hear urgency is high? What are

2079
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:43,680
Speaker 10: the black and white results James that are needed? Is

2080
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 10: it make the playoffs, win a playoff game, win a

2081
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 10: division title, some combination. If you all of a sudden

2082
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:56,800
Speaker 10: have a promising end of the season. Daniel Jones starts

2083
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:59,000
Speaker 10: to play his best as he looks healthier, But you

2084
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:01,240
Speaker 10: miss it by a game. Do you sit there and say, hey,

2085
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:04,000
Speaker 10: you know what? I know he missed the playoffs for

2086
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:07,600
Speaker 10: a six straight year. But Daniel Jones is pointing in

2087
01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 10: the right direction. Two years removed from the Achilles we're

2088
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:14,360
Speaker 10: running a back. What do you think the black and

2089
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:18,600
Speaker 10: white is on? The urgency is higher comment that she

2090
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:21,760
Speaker 10: made yesterday.

2091
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 8: It should be playoffs or bust, find a way to

2092
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 8: get in division title or no No, I don't think

2093
01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:30,519
Speaker 8: that's necessarily the case. I will give the rest of

2094
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:33,080
Speaker 8: the AFC South outside of the Titans, the respect of

2095
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:34,120
Speaker 8: saying they're good teams.

2096
01:34:34,240 --> 01:34:37,040
Speaker 4: Houston is good, the Jaguars are good.

2097
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:40,400
Speaker 8: Granted, being two and ten against him in the last

2098
01:34:40,439 --> 01:34:43,120
Speaker 8: three years under Styching is not good. So you probably

2099
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:45,559
Speaker 8: have more success there to make the playoffs and or

2100
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:48,040
Speaker 8: be in AFC South contingent. But I think it's playoffs

2101
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:52,840
Speaker 8: or bust. Make the postseason and figure it out from there.

2102
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:55,280
Speaker 8: But also in my mind, I'm like, Okay, what if

2103
01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:59,519
Speaker 8: you backdoor your way into a postseason birth if it's

2104
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:03,800
Speaker 8: a down year for the AFC South and you go

2105
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:05,800
Speaker 8: nine to eight and you sneak in and you get

2106
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:08,439
Speaker 8: blown out in the first game of the playoffs, is

2107
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:11,720
Speaker 8: that enough? I'm not sure. But at least get to

2108
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:14,240
Speaker 8: a point where you're playing an eighteenth game.

2109
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 7: Yeah. I think it's also got to start within the division.

2110
01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 7: You've got to start having a winning record within the

2111
01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:23,000
Speaker 7: AFC South. You do that and generally you get to

2112
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:26,519
Speaker 7: the playoffs. You have winning you have winning records within

2113
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:29,599
Speaker 7: your division, you usually get to the playoffs. You've got

2114
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:33,960
Speaker 7: to start beating Jacksonville and Tennessee or a Texas the Texans. Sorry,

2115
01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:37,160
Speaker 7: you've got to start beating those two teams specifically on

2116
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:39,639
Speaker 7: a regular basis. It doesn't mean you have to sweep

2117
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:41,519
Speaker 7: them for the next four years, but you need to

2118
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:43,519
Speaker 7: win as many as you lose, and they're not doing

2119
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:44,120
Speaker 7: that lately.

2120
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:49,960
Speaker 8: They're It's hard for me to see a lot of

2121
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:52,679
Speaker 8: light at the end of the tunnel, and I'm.

2122
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:53,360
Speaker 4: Trying to find it.

2123
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 8: But I think ideally you you hope that you're healthy

2124
01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:58,479
Speaker 8: and the team you saw is the team you will

2125
01:35:58,479 --> 01:36:00,439
Speaker 8: be at least team you saw in the first will

2126
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:03,000
Speaker 8: be the team that you are going forward and for

2127
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:05,240
Speaker 8: a full season. But on top of that, I think

2128
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:08,000
Speaker 8: the crux of everything we're talking about whether you bring

2129
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:10,599
Speaker 8: back Chris Ballard and Shane Styke, and that decision has

2130
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:14,479
Speaker 8: been made, the idea is you also will retain Daniel Jones,

2131
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:17,439
Speaker 8: and you're banking on him to get you to where

2132
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:20,519
Speaker 8: you haven't been. And I don't know if that's a

2133
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:24,240
Speaker 8: safe or a smart bet. And granted I wasn't singing

2134
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:26,519
Speaker 8: this tune a couple months ago. I called myself out

2135
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:30,120
Speaker 8: on that, but given the injury history coming off the Achilles,

2136
01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:31,960
Speaker 8: this is a dude. As much you talking about Anthony

2137
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:34,439
Speaker 8: Richardson and his injuries and why he hasn't really panned out,

2138
01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:37,960
Speaker 8: and it's beyond injuries with him, but Daniel Jones is

2139
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:40,680
Speaker 8: not a healthy quarterback on average. He is going to

2140
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 8: miss games. So you're gonna need Ryleanard or someone else

2141
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:47,040
Speaker 8: to step up and win some games for you most likely.

2142
01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:49,759
Speaker 8: And you got to hope and pray that Daniel Jones

2143
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:50,639
Speaker 8: is there at the end of the season.

2144
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:51,439
Speaker 4: We need him the most.

2145
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:55,040
Speaker 10: Rick Carlisle join us here in twenty This from Ben,

2146
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:58,080
Speaker 10: how much of bringing Chris fout and change second back

2147
01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:01,120
Speaker 10: has to do with her lack of experience and her

2148
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:04,840
Speaker 10: comfort level. She may not be ready to go through

2149
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:10,720
Speaker 10: a GM and coach search while navigating her first off season. Yeah, Ben,

2150
01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:13,519
Speaker 10: it's certainly a question that I have pondered myself. I

2151
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:16,080
Speaker 10: don't know how much thought you've given to it, James.

2152
01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:22,720
Speaker 10: You know, my kind of general thought is, you know, June, July, August.

2153
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:24,960
Speaker 10: I don't know July August. If you just want to

2154
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:30,479
Speaker 10: pinpoint maybe those months I think you would be. First off,

2155
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:32,719
Speaker 10: I guess I'll start here. When you're in a position

2156
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:36,080
Speaker 10: like that, an owner in the NFL, an athletic director

2157
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:40,480
Speaker 10: in college sports, if you're not preparing for the worst,

2158
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:43,760
Speaker 10: then you're not doing your job. You have to be

2159
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:47,559
Speaker 10: under the assumption of what if Brian Kelly leaves under Dame?

2160
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:51,559
Speaker 10: What if Lane Kiffen leaves Old Miss like that thought

2161
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:54,040
Speaker 10: has got to be there for all those people and

2162
01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:58,320
Speaker 10: positions of authority, But also given the Colts current stance,

2163
01:37:58,439 --> 01:38:00,160
Speaker 10: you had to have thought going into the season. And

2164
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 10: you know what, at the end of the year, it's

2165
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Speaker 10: quite possible that it will get too ugly for me

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Speaker 10: to run it back. So I need to already be

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01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:09,800
Speaker 10: doing that homework now as the first two months played out,

2168
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Speaker 10: Did maybe that homework look like you know what? I

2169
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:15,200
Speaker 10: might not need to tap into all of that? Clearly

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01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:20,320
Speaker 10: in her eyes it did. But to me, boy, I

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01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:23,040
Speaker 10: would like to have thought. I guess Ben that that

2172
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:27,479
Speaker 10: maybe wasn't that big of a relevant topic. But I

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01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:29,240
Speaker 10: don't know, James, is that something that you thought about?

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01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 10: Did you think at all that Carly had always kind

2175
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:33,680
Speaker 10: of pictured in her mind, Hey, I'm going to get

2176
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:38,120
Speaker 10: through this first full season as owner, and then I'll

2177
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:41,479
Speaker 10: be more equipped to handle a GM and a head

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01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:42,120
Speaker 10: coaching search.

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Speaker 8: Not necessarily. I do think that she has been in

2180
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:53,240
Speaker 8: these decisions. Maybe not the final decision maker because that

2181
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:55,400
Speaker 8: was her day for so long, but she's been in

2182
01:38:55,479 --> 01:38:58,080
Speaker 8: a lot of these decisions. Kevin, and we talked about

2183
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:01,160
Speaker 8: it with the Shane Styke and hire. How heavily involved

2184
01:39:01,200 --> 01:39:04,479
Speaker 8: was she in that? And she just known Chris Ballard

2185
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:06,040
Speaker 8: for years. So I won't sit up there and act

2186
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:09,040
Speaker 8: like just because it's her first full offseason as the

2187
01:39:09,080 --> 01:39:12,840
Speaker 8: principal owner, that she's like this little duckling or whatever,

2188
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:14,960
Speaker 8: and it's like you're the brave new world out there.

2189
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:17,800
Speaker 8: She's been in the trenches before with this franchise, so

2190
01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:21,400
Speaker 8: I don't want to dismiss that. But I also think

2191
01:39:21,479 --> 01:39:23,080
Speaker 8: a lot of the success they had early on just

2192
01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:27,320
Speaker 8: informed what she would do at this point, and that

2193
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:30,759
Speaker 8: was determined, like you all said, probably by the Sauce

2194
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:34,240
Speaker 8: Gardner trade. When you make that trade, there's not many

2195
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:38,200
Speaker 8: instances at least I can think of where you allow

2196
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:40,360
Speaker 8: GM to get rid of your next two first round picks.

2197
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:45,960
Speaker 8: A talented wide receiver, no shade at all. I can't say,

2198
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:48,920
Speaker 8: like I promising receiver here, you struggled here, that's true,

2199
01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:51,680
Speaker 8: but give up all that for Sauce Gardner and then

2200
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:54,439
Speaker 8: pivoting and saying we'll get rid of that guy. So

2201
01:39:54,479 --> 01:39:55,920
Speaker 8: it always felt like they were going to come back.

2202
01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:58,360
Speaker 8: But at this point it's you know, what can you

2203
01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:01,680
Speaker 8: build on and can you deliver because boil boy, if

2204
01:40:01,720 --> 01:40:05,000
Speaker 8: you do not, there will be some vitriol for everyone,

2205
01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:06,960
Speaker 8: owner of GM head coach, all of it.

2206
01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:09,920
Speaker 7: You know, it's interesting when you look at the day

2207
01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:13,320
Speaker 7: that Carli or say Gordon had yesterday, it probably would

2208
01:40:13,320 --> 01:40:15,200
Speaker 7: have been easy. When you look at all of the

2209
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:18,599
Speaker 7: text that we get, the polls that you run, Kevin,

2210
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:22,080
Speaker 7: the general feedback that's out there on social media or

2211
01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:24,920
Speaker 7: just about anywhere else. The easy thing for her to

2212
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:26,559
Speaker 7: do would have been said, hey, we thank them for

2213
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:29,120
Speaker 7: their contributions. We're going to move forward. We're going to

2214
01:40:29,160 --> 01:40:32,280
Speaker 7: look for a new new leadership group here. You think that,

2215
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:34,040
Speaker 7: I do think it would have been the easy and

2216
01:40:34,439 --> 01:40:39,200
Speaker 7: there's let me get there, because if this doesn't work

2217
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:43,200
Speaker 7: out again and they even take a step backward, what

2218
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:46,519
Speaker 7: has happened to her credibility with the fans moving forward?

2219
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:49,320
Speaker 7: At least if she had taken a swing and missed,

2220
01:40:49,560 --> 01:40:51,639
Speaker 7: people would have said, well, she tried to do something

2221
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:55,280
Speaker 7: I just wonder if this goes backwards in Haywire, what

2222
01:40:55,320 --> 01:40:57,679
Speaker 7: does that do to her credibility with the fans moving forward?

2223
01:40:57,680 --> 01:40:58,320
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.

2224
01:40:58,320 --> 01:40:59,760
Speaker 8: I feel like it was easy for he to stay

2225
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:04,360
Speaker 8: sea Quo, Like what was hard about running it back.

2226
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:06,519
Speaker 7: In the in the eyes of the fans, and not

2227
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:08,360
Speaker 7: many of them like it. They don't want it, and

2228
01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:10,320
Speaker 7: if it doesn't work out and it backfires, they're going

2229
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:14,000
Speaker 7: to be like, well, just another lacking owner at this

2230
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:15,680
Speaker 7: point tim a year from now, If it doesn't work

2231
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:18,160
Speaker 7: out and they go backwards, I think it hurts her

2232
01:41:18,160 --> 01:41:20,240
Speaker 7: credibility with a lot of fans.

2233
01:41:21,160 --> 01:41:22,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess I'm a little confused.

2234
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:25,479
Speaker 8: I just think the easy decision was sticking with who

2235
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:26,240
Speaker 8: they already had.

2236
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:27,000
Speaker 4: I don't know.

2237
01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:29,160
Speaker 7: I don't think it was in the fans eyes, not

2238
01:41:29,240 --> 01:41:31,280
Speaker 7: based on the feedback I'm getting us in they don't

2239
01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:31,559
Speaker 7: like it.

2240
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:33,680
Speaker 4: I don't like it, but they definitely think that it

2241
01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:35,799
Speaker 4: was the easy and perhaps weak decision.

2242
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:39,479
Speaker 10: Yeah, as long as you can ignore the fan vitriol,

2243
01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:42,280
Speaker 10: then yes, the easier move is if you can live

2244
01:41:42,280 --> 01:41:44,160
Speaker 10: with yourself and not have to what if she's not

2245
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:47,840
Speaker 10: reading her mentions? By the way, I saw Nott Eberflus fired,

2246
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:51,080
Speaker 10: Adam Scheff reporting fired from Dallas. There shocked.

2247
01:41:52,280 --> 01:41:52,960
Speaker 7: How did that happen?

2248
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:56,240
Speaker 4: Mark figured Mark with Chimana no defense in Dallas this season.

2249
01:41:57,160 --> 01:41:59,479
Speaker 7: I think it could hurt this team moving forward because

2250
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:02,760
Speaker 7: you know, I don't know how people will. We'll back

2251
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:04,560
Speaker 7: it up, but a lot of it yesterday and a

2252
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:06,400
Speaker 7: lot of the game today is going to stop going

2253
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:06,720
Speaker 7: to the game.

2254
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:09,840
Speaker 10: She didn't acknowledge the apathy aspect to it, you know,

2255
01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:12,240
Speaker 10: she did acknowledge that angle to it. And I'll go

2256
01:42:12,280 --> 01:42:13,479
Speaker 10: back to kind of what I said to lead off

2257
01:42:13,479 --> 01:42:17,280
Speaker 10: the show, and you know from my mentions and I'm

2258
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:19,559
Speaker 10: not talking, I guess just the peer like social media,

2259
01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:24,679
Speaker 10: you know, small minority. You know, I had several friends, family,

2260
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:28,680
Speaker 10: you know, listeners that I would say even would fall

2261
01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:30,880
Speaker 10: on probably the more optimistic side and getting to know

2262
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:35,240
Speaker 10: them outside of jeff Saturday press conference. I don't remember

2263
01:42:35,320 --> 01:42:38,600
Speaker 10: maybe the amount of just the sheer. Oh man, that

2264
01:42:38,680 --> 01:42:41,080
Speaker 10: was a disaster. We have no hope, sell the team

2265
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:47,320
Speaker 10: like all of it. And again I understand when you

2266
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:49,799
Speaker 10: are trying to defend what she is trying to defend,

2267
01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:55,080
Speaker 10: it's borderline of lost cause it's the same exact reaction

2268
01:42:55,800 --> 01:42:58,400
Speaker 10: I had last year at the combine when Chris Ballard

2269
01:42:58,439 --> 01:43:00,760
Speaker 10: is answering a question of why do you feel like

2270
01:43:00,760 --> 01:43:02,960
Speaker 10: you're getting the ninth year or what do you feel

2271
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:07,479
Speaker 10: like your greatest accomplishment has been as Colt's general manager.

2272
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:13,600
Speaker 10: You hear those answers and it's like, damn, that's the reality.

2273
01:43:14,280 --> 01:43:17,639
Speaker 10: So again, part of it when I walk to that media,

2274
01:43:17,680 --> 01:43:19,960
Speaker 10: you miss it was going to be met with. Going

2275
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:22,040
Speaker 10: back to our last segment of the show yesterday, Jeff,

2276
01:43:22,439 --> 01:43:25,519
Speaker 10: what can she shit? What can she say that will

2277
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:29,840
Speaker 10: be more reassuring, calming, make fans feel better on it?

2278
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:32,880
Speaker 10: I don't know if there was anything you know she said.

2279
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:34,360
Speaker 7: I don't think that happened yesterday.

2280
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:37,880
Speaker 10: Hey, but again, what would that have been like if

2281
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:40,240
Speaker 10: she demanded more change? I don't know what the more

2282
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:43,400
Speaker 10: change is going to look like besides removing one or

2283
01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:46,200
Speaker 10: both of those figures. It's not, you know, last year

2284
01:43:46,200 --> 01:43:48,680
Speaker 10: at this time, the thought exiting.

2285
01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:50,160
Speaker 7: James.

2286
01:43:50,160 --> 01:43:52,599
Speaker 10: I think the thought this first week of February last year,

2287
01:43:52,640 --> 01:43:54,360
Speaker 10: or this first week of January last year, was this,

2288
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:57,040
Speaker 10: they're going to make a change of defensive coordinator and

2289
01:43:57,120 --> 01:44:00,400
Speaker 10: Chris Baward's finally going to spend free agency. I think

2290
01:44:00,439 --> 01:44:03,679
Speaker 10: that was a pretty general assumption. They obviously fired Gus

2291
01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:06,040
Speaker 10: Bradley very quickly after the season ended, and then by

2292
01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:07,880
Speaker 10: the time we got to March, we saw a different

2293
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:10,400
Speaker 10: Chris Ballard. I sit here in this first week of

2294
01:44:10,479 --> 01:44:14,400
Speaker 10: January this year, after they've run it back, and I

2295
01:44:14,439 --> 01:44:18,760
Speaker 10: don't see the plan one and two on the list

2296
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:25,439
Speaker 10: being changes. I see the plan being retention. We'll get

2297
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:27,479
Speaker 10: back to the first two months of the season. So

2298
01:44:27,680 --> 01:44:32,639
Speaker 10: that's where I'm a little confused as to is that

2299
01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:35,559
Speaker 10: going to be enough. Is it simply just run it back,

2300
01:44:35,800 --> 01:44:38,360
Speaker 10: or are there some things behind the scenes that they

2301
01:44:38,360 --> 01:44:40,599
Speaker 10: are going to maneuver roster wise in a manner they

2302
01:44:40,600 --> 01:44:43,639
Speaker 10: have never done, to try and open up a little

2303
01:44:43,680 --> 01:44:46,280
Speaker 10: bit more money to spend on the defensive line, you know,

2304
01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:46,880
Speaker 10: things like that.

2305
01:44:48,080 --> 01:44:50,880
Speaker 7: Well, that's going to be a very interesting off season. Again,

2306
01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:53,040
Speaker 7: it seems like we say that every year, James, there's

2307
01:44:53,080 --> 01:44:54,800
Speaker 7: a big off season for the Colts, but it really

2308
01:44:54,840 --> 01:44:57,120
Speaker 7: is a big off season for the Colts.

2309
01:44:57,880 --> 01:45:01,040
Speaker 4: So they stay the same, Jeff, for.

2310
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:04,040
Speaker 7: How many years in a row? Now, I think again,

2311
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:07,559
Speaker 7: you talk about Ballard's success of not getting to the

2312
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:10,400
Speaker 7: postseason and only one playoff win and only two appearances.

2313
01:45:10,720 --> 01:45:13,200
Speaker 7: But I also look at that seven and twenty two

2314
01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:16,559
Speaker 7: record that they have against teams with winning records in

2315
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:20,920
Speaker 7: the Shane stike In era. That has to change. You've

2316
01:45:20,920 --> 01:45:22,439
Speaker 7: got if you're gonna be a good team, you got

2317
01:45:22,479 --> 01:45:25,559
Speaker 7: to be good teams. They did that in a weird way.

2318
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:27,439
Speaker 7: They did They got to win over Denver. I thought

2319
01:45:27,439 --> 01:45:31,400
Speaker 7: there was a nice win against a banged up Chargers team,

2320
01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:34,360
Speaker 7: kind of a gritty win against an Atlanta team that

2321
01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:36,000
Speaker 7: was up and down over the course of the year.

2322
01:45:36,360 --> 01:45:38,320
Speaker 7: But the ust of those wins, even though they were dominant,

2323
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:41,799
Speaker 7: other than the Arizona game, those are against pretty bad teams.

2324
01:45:42,600 --> 01:45:44,519
Speaker 8: I will say this to that point about having to

2325
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:50,040
Speaker 8: win these games and finish when I stole Kevin's question

2326
01:45:50,120 --> 01:45:52,439
Speaker 8: and threw it at Shane Stikeen, and I did it

2327
01:45:52,479 --> 01:45:54,240
Speaker 8: because you knew were going to be there. Kevin, you

2328
01:45:54,240 --> 01:45:56,080
Speaker 8: got to stay here on the show. Got your back,

2329
01:45:56,120 --> 01:46:02,439
Speaker 8: brother handshake. But jokes aside his response, I thought, not

2330
01:46:02,600 --> 01:46:05,400
Speaker 8: that again, he can't really say anything yesterday that's gonna

2331
01:46:05,439 --> 01:46:07,400
Speaker 8: make the fan base feel any better about the direction

2332
01:46:07,479 --> 01:46:10,720
Speaker 8: of the team and all that. But his response was

2333
01:46:10,720 --> 01:46:13,599
Speaker 8: something along the lines of, yeah, that's a good question.

2334
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:15,360
Speaker 8: I have to get to the bottom of that. I

2335
01:46:15,439 --> 01:46:18,640
Speaker 8: have to figure out an answer to that. Why we

2336
01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:21,639
Speaker 8: can't win against good teams, why we can't finish against

2337
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:27,960
Speaker 8: good teams. And he has been given more grace than

2338
01:46:28,040 --> 01:46:33,560
Speaker 8: Chris Ballard. But the thought of having more late game collapses,

2339
01:46:33,640 --> 01:46:35,960
Speaker 8: whether it's because your team isn't tough enough or you

2340
01:46:36,040 --> 01:46:38,439
Speaker 8: have clock management issues, that's one of the issues I

2341
01:46:38,439 --> 01:46:41,080
Speaker 8: think that has popped up from a tangible standpoint with

2342
01:46:41,400 --> 01:46:43,640
Speaker 8: Shane sacking from time to time. If that continues to

2343
01:46:43,640 --> 01:46:46,320
Speaker 8: happen and you continue to drop these close games in

2344
01:46:46,840 --> 01:46:49,800
Speaker 8: that fashion, you shouldn't be safe either. You shouldn't be

2345
01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:51,479
Speaker 8: absolved of that just because you have a couple more

2346
01:46:51,560 --> 01:46:53,080
Speaker 8: years in your contract than Chris Ballard.

2347
01:46:53,400 --> 01:46:54,800
Speaker 4: So that is a Mester's day.

2348
01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:57,840
Speaker 8: I think the fans, at least the ones online that

2349
01:46:57,880 --> 01:47:00,680
Speaker 8: I heard from the most yesterday, they were saying, we're

2350
01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:03,960
Speaker 8: sick of hearing that. You say you have to find

2351
01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:05,599
Speaker 8: a solution, You say you have to figure it out.

2352
01:47:06,040 --> 01:47:08,960
Speaker 8: Why can't you? Why haven't you three years in out?

2353
01:47:09,400 --> 01:47:12,800
Speaker 8: To be fair, he ain't had his starting quarterback for

2354
01:47:12,840 --> 01:47:16,160
Speaker 8: a full season yet, but that isn't the end all

2355
01:47:16,240 --> 01:47:17,200
Speaker 8: be all of being a head coach.

2356
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:18,920
Speaker 10: Yeah, I would just add one more thing on the

2357
01:47:18,920 --> 01:47:21,040
Speaker 10: steke in front. I think it's he needs to wear

2358
01:47:21,080 --> 01:47:24,400
Speaker 10: the head coaching hat more, not meaning just the offensive

2359
01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:29,360
Speaker 10: play caller, not just the quarterback, whatever, whisper, however you

2360
01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:30,120
Speaker 10: want to label it.

2361
01:47:30,360 --> 01:47:33,800
Speaker 4: You need to be more the.

2362
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:36,400
Speaker 10: Whatever, have the pulse of the team, better sit in

2363
01:47:36,439 --> 01:47:39,840
Speaker 10: on more defensive meetings. However you want to look at

2364
01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:43,560
Speaker 10: it to try and handle again the head coaching responsibilities,

2365
01:47:43,680 --> 01:47:46,280
Speaker 10: whether it's seven and twenty two against teams above five hundred,

2366
01:47:46,479 --> 01:47:48,599
Speaker 10: or it's a pathetic two and ten against the Texans

2367
01:47:48,600 --> 01:47:53,240
Speaker 10: and Jags that can't continue to happen offensively. As Carlie ERSA.

2368
01:47:53,320 --> 01:47:55,880
Speaker 10: Gordon mentioned yesterday, there's a lot to like about what

2369
01:47:56,360 --> 01:47:58,800
Speaker 10: Shane Sign has brought, a lot to like, But it's

2370
01:47:58,840 --> 01:48:01,560
Speaker 10: more than just that he is. He has thrown the

2371
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:05,000
Speaker 10: offensive line buffet on his plate. What a Braiden Smith,

2372
01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:07,719
Speaker 10: What a Bernard Ryman share the Braiden Smith eats seven eggs,

2373
01:48:07,960 --> 01:48:10,920
Speaker 10: seven pancakes, and a massive bowl of fruit. When you're

2374
01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:12,240
Speaker 10: the play caller and you're the head coach of the

2375
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:15,120
Speaker 10: NFL team, you put that on your plate. He needs

2376
01:48:15,160 --> 01:48:17,800
Speaker 10: to make sure that you know he's eating all of it.

2377
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:19,840
Speaker 10: If I can continue the pathetic analogy.

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Speaker 7: All right, Rick Carlo coming up at about seven minutes

2379
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:24,160
Speaker 7: and I'm sorry about ten minutes from now. In the meantime,

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Speaker 7: let's check it down the.

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Speaker 1: Morning checkdown on ninety thwee five and one oh seven

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Speaker 1: five the fan.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm right there in your category doing math, James,

2384
01:48:33,400 --> 01:48:35,280
Speaker 7: So keep me away from that right there.

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Speaker 4: I was great at math.

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Speaker 8: I took ap calculus only pass because they curved the grades.

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01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:43,720
Speaker 7: Baby, there you go. Carli Ors Gordon met with the

2388
01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:46,400
Speaker 7: media yesterday. One thing we do know, she like the

2389
01:48:46,479 --> 01:48:49,000
Speaker 7: fans upset with the way things went.

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01:48:49,400 --> 01:48:52,080
Speaker 2: I'm pissed, and I totally get they're pissed. I want

2391
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:55,599
Speaker 2: to validate them, and we hear them. It was that's

2392
01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:57,400
Speaker 2: not the way we've ever want to end a season.

2393
01:48:57,840 --> 01:49:00,960
Speaker 2: I think as we evaluate it, we're going right back

2394
01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:03,960
Speaker 2: to work to make sure that we find a way

2395
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:06,519
Speaker 2: to finish and win games next year and ultimately get

2396
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:07,520
Speaker 2: nison in the postseason.

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Speaker 7: What changes, same group finding a way to finish. Have

2398
01:49:11,840 --> 01:49:13,240
Speaker 7: not been able to figure that out yet?

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01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:17,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I guess you have to look at

2400
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:19,880
Speaker 8: the defense. If you're looking at tangible changes, I do

2401
01:49:19,960 --> 01:49:23,200
Speaker 8: think that defensive core probably need some shake up there

2402
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:24,679
Speaker 8: to get over the hump next season.

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01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:27,160
Speaker 7: All I just mentioned a moment ago. Rick Carlisle coming

2404
01:49:27,200 --> 01:49:28,439
Speaker 7: up in a few minutes. The head coach of the

2405
01:49:28,439 --> 01:49:31,679
Speaker 7: Pacers is they host the Calves tonight at the field House.

2406
01:49:31,680 --> 01:49:34,479
Speaker 7: They've lost twelve in a row. That ties a franchise record.

2407
01:49:34,840 --> 01:49:37,040
Speaker 7: They are six and thirty on the year, worst record

2408
01:49:37,040 --> 01:49:40,040
Speaker 7: in the NBA. Good news though, Kevin no Donovan Mitchell

2409
01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:41,960
Speaker 7: for the Calves tonight, Yes, resting.

2410
01:49:42,040 --> 01:49:45,160
Speaker 10: He obviously erupted against the Pacers last time out there,

2411
01:49:45,200 --> 01:49:48,679
Speaker 10: so we'll see somehow Someway sounds like the Michael Potter

2412
01:49:48,680 --> 01:49:51,320
Speaker 10: thing is pretty real for the Pacers. You know, he

2413
01:49:51,439 --> 01:49:53,799
Speaker 10: is not only coming here and put on a PACER's uniform,

2414
01:49:53,800 --> 01:49:55,479
Speaker 10: but he's been asked to play some big minutes. And

2415
01:49:55,560 --> 01:49:57,639
Speaker 10: again Benedic Mathern going to miss some time. We'll see

2416
01:49:57,640 --> 01:49:59,719
Speaker 10: if Rick Carlisle is an update on that.

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01:50:00,280 --> 01:50:03,519
Speaker 7: College basketball ap Top twenty five out and Purdue hanging

2418
01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:07,120
Speaker 7: tough at number five right now top five or Arizona, Michigan,

2419
01:50:07,240 --> 01:50:11,400
Speaker 7: Iowa State, Yukon and then Purdue Duke just missed that

2420
01:50:11,439 --> 01:50:14,639
Speaker 7: they are sixth on the list right now. Later tonight,

2421
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:18,360
Speaker 7: Butler will play Saint John's at Hinklefieldhouse six thirty airtime,

2422
01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:21,240
Speaker 7: seven pm. Tip you can hear it on Hot ninety

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01:50:21,280 --> 01:50:23,720
Speaker 7: two point seven because we've got the Pacers here on

2424
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:25,960
Speaker 7: the fan. Bulldogs trying to improve on that one and

2425
01:50:26,040 --> 01:50:29,120
Speaker 7: three start in Big East Conference play so far, and

2426
01:50:29,240 --> 01:50:31,160
Speaker 7: a lot of teams in the NFL looking for head

2427
01:50:31,160 --> 01:50:35,120
Speaker 7: coaches today, Arizona, Las Vegas, the New York Giants, Cleveland Browns,

2428
01:50:35,160 --> 01:50:39,120
Speaker 7: Tennessee Titans, Atlanta Falcons. I saw something interesting, James. Yesterday

2429
01:50:39,479 --> 01:50:42,920
Speaker 7: somebody suggested that a good fit in the AFC South

2430
01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:45,919
Speaker 7: would be Kevin Stefanski with cam Ward in Tennessee.

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Speaker 8: I don't mind that. I mean, let's not forget and

2432
01:50:50,160 --> 01:50:52,080
Speaker 8: act like kevinist fancy. Isn't a two time coach of

2433
01:50:52,160 --> 01:50:53,960
Speaker 8: the Year. So the dude can get it done. So

2434
01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:56,599
Speaker 8: we'll see how all of that kind of shakes out

2435
01:50:56,600 --> 01:50:57,759
Speaker 8: over the next weeks and months.

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01:50:57,880 --> 01:51:00,000
Speaker 7: All right, Kevin, anything else you wanted to throw in.

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01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:02,080
Speaker 10: No, we continue to look at it to Friday night.

2438
01:51:02,160 --> 01:51:04,880
Speaker 10: So indianaut of practice late last night in Bloomington, I

2439
01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:08,120
Speaker 10: believe they'll head down to Atlanta late tomorrow and get

2440
01:51:08,160 --> 01:51:10,200
Speaker 10: ready to take on Oregon. I want to say that

2441
01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:12,919
Speaker 10: spread right around four and a half for the Hoosiers

2442
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:15,360
Speaker 10: in this one. I'll reiterate what I said yesterday, Jeff,

2443
01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:17,559
Speaker 10: I think a big advantage Indiana has in this game

2444
01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:22,040
Speaker 10: as well. Oregon's two coordinators have taken jobs elsewhere, so

2445
01:51:22,120 --> 01:51:25,040
Speaker 10: all this portal chaos we're seeing right now, they're dealing

2446
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:27,280
Speaker 10: with will Stein. Their OC is dealing with it in Kentucky.

2447
01:51:27,320 --> 01:51:29,519
Speaker 10: He just flipped the Notre Dame quarterback Kenny Minschie from

2448
01:51:29,560 --> 01:51:33,360
Speaker 10: Nebraska to Kentucky, spent part of the weekend in Lexington,

2449
01:51:33,560 --> 01:51:37,479
Speaker 10: and their defensive coordinator took the job at CAL. I mean,

2450
01:51:37,600 --> 01:51:39,559
Speaker 10: you know, if you're a first time head coach, I

2451
01:51:39,560 --> 01:51:41,639
Speaker 10: get you want to win a national title, You're probably

2452
01:51:41,680 --> 01:51:43,240
Speaker 10: gonna be a little bit more worried about what that

2453
01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:45,479
Speaker 10: portal looks like in your new home than you are about,

2454
01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:48,320
Speaker 10: you know, Bryant Haynes and Mike Shanahan and trying to

2455
01:51:48,360 --> 01:51:50,360
Speaker 10: dissect the game plan against Indiana. I think got his

2456
01:51:50,439 --> 01:51:52,080
Speaker 10: big advantage to the Hoosiers all.

2457
01:51:52,040 --> 01:51:54,360
Speaker 7: Right, And in the absence of NFL Monday, night football.

2458
01:51:54,400 --> 01:51:59,000
Speaker 7: Last night, I found myself enthralled by the FCS National

2459
01:51:59,120 --> 01:52:03,120
Speaker 7: Championship game. Montana State beat Illinois State thirty five thirty

2460
01:52:03,160 --> 01:52:05,240
Speaker 7: four in overtime. Did any of you guys catch any

2461
01:52:05,280 --> 01:52:05,800
Speaker 7: of that game?

2462
01:52:06,240 --> 01:52:09,040
Speaker 9: It was both My brothers are isu of grads, so

2463
01:52:09,080 --> 01:52:11,840
Speaker 9: they were locked in watching it and their heartbroken up.

2464
01:52:11,920 --> 01:52:15,960
Speaker 7: It was bananas were exciting. Yeah, it was crazy. They

2465
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:18,599
Speaker 7: scored on fourth and ten. Keep that thing going. It

2466
01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:21,639
Speaker 7: was a crazy game. Montana State wins at thirty five

2467
01:52:21,640 --> 01:52:24,519
Speaker 7: to thirty four, and doesn't have to just point again,

2468
01:52:24,640 --> 01:52:26,599
Speaker 7: doesn't have to be an NFL game on Monday night.

2469
01:52:26,760 --> 01:52:29,360
Speaker 7: If it's compelling and it's for a championship and it's

2470
01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:32,559
Speaker 7: close and it's crazy, I am all in. James Boyd, Hey,

2471
01:52:32,600 --> 01:52:35,040
Speaker 7: you're a junkie like me. Brother, all right, coming up

2472
01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:37,080
Speaker 7: at a moment, the head coach of the Indiana Pacers

2473
01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:38,960
Speaker 7: right here on ninety three five and one on seven

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Speaker 7: five the Fan.

2475
01:52:47,600 --> 01:52:50,320
Speaker 1: You were listening to the Fan morning show on sports

2476
01:52:50,400 --> 01:52:53,000
Speaker 1: Radio ninety three to five and one oh seven five

2477
01:52:53,120 --> 01:52:53,519
Speaker 1: the Fan.

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01:52:54,200 --> 01:52:55,080
Speaker 4: One thing, This is.

2479
01:52:55,400 --> 01:52:58,360
Speaker 10: All right seven o'clock tonight inside of gamebridge Field House,

2480
01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:02,599
Speaker 10: Spacers will try and end a twelve game losing streak

2481
01:53:02,760 --> 01:53:04,560
Speaker 10: or really it was a pretty entertaining game down in

2482
01:53:04,680 --> 01:53:07,960
Speaker 10: Orlando on Sunday. Certainly had some chances in fifty to

2483
01:53:07,960 --> 01:53:10,960
Speaker 10: fifty balls late in that game, but the Pacers lose,

2484
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:13,519
Speaker 10: and how they shift gears to the Cleveland Cavaliers tonight,

2485
01:53:13,600 --> 01:53:15,080
Speaker 10: and to talk more about it, he is the head

2486
01:53:15,080 --> 01:53:18,000
Speaker 10: coach of the Pacers. He is on the Payless Slickers hotline.

2487
01:53:18,200 --> 01:53:20,760
Speaker 10: Rick Carlisle, Happy New Year, Good morning to you. How

2488
01:53:20,760 --> 01:53:22,759
Speaker 10: are you doing doing well?

2489
01:53:22,760 --> 01:53:23,120
Speaker 3: Thank you?

2490
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:24,639
Speaker 4: Health wise?

2491
01:53:25,600 --> 01:53:28,880
Speaker 10: Any update on Benedict Matheren and how long he could

2492
01:53:28,920 --> 01:53:30,040
Speaker 10: be out with his thumb injury.

2493
01:53:31,320 --> 01:53:36,360
Speaker 3: No, hard to say. I guess my thought my.

2494
01:53:39,080 --> 01:53:42,000
Speaker 12: What I would be comfortable saying is likely at least

2495
01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:48,240
Speaker 12: a week, but really really undetermined how long for sure?

2496
01:53:48,680 --> 01:53:50,680
Speaker 4: How do you look at his season so far?

2497
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:50,920
Speaker 7: Rick?

2498
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:53,920
Speaker 10: Obviously opening night he's got the big scoring night, and

2499
01:53:53,960 --> 01:53:56,280
Speaker 10: then you know, suffers that toe injury. You know, go

2500
01:53:56,680 --> 01:54:00,000
Speaker 10: pretty closely there after it misses some time, comes back,

2501
01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:02,800
Speaker 10: he's had some make consistencies, and then you know he's

2502
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:04,599
Speaker 10: had this thumb injury as well. How do you kind

2503
01:54:04,640 --> 01:54:06,760
Speaker 10: of look at a year and obviously more on his

2504
01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:07,519
Speaker 10: plate this season.

2505
01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:11,320
Speaker 3: I really believe.

2506
01:54:12,720 --> 01:54:15,479
Speaker 12: Starting with the toe thing that happened in the Memphis game,

2507
01:54:15,479 --> 01:54:17,879
Speaker 12: which I think was the second game.

2508
01:54:17,720 --> 01:54:18,200
Speaker 3: Of the year.

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01:54:19,240 --> 01:54:23,679
Speaker 12: He's just been banged up. He just hasn't been totally

2510
01:54:23,680 --> 01:54:28,400
Speaker 12: one hundred percent. To his great credit, he is just

2511
01:54:29,400 --> 01:54:32,000
Speaker 12: you know, for a long time, just continued to play

2512
01:54:33,880 --> 01:54:36,480
Speaker 12: and it just got to a point where you know,

2513
01:54:36,560 --> 01:54:41,720
Speaker 12: the thumb was was bothering him. I'm not sure the

2514
01:54:41,720 --> 01:54:46,200
Speaker 12: the exact status of the toe thing, but he just

2515
01:54:46,320 --> 01:54:51,240
Speaker 12: hasn't looked quite like himself, and so it's been difficult.

2516
01:54:51,280 --> 01:54:54,680
Speaker 12: And so you know, this break is needed, and I

2517
01:54:54,680 --> 01:54:59,720
Speaker 12: think he'll come back refreshed and and and a lot

2518
01:54:59,760 --> 01:55:02,720
Speaker 12: better position to play his game again.

2519
01:55:02,760 --> 01:55:05,560
Speaker 8: We're talking to Rick Carlisle, head coach of the Pacers

2520
01:55:05,600 --> 01:55:08,160
Speaker 8: here on the Pillows Cuckars Hotline. Rick, I want to

2521
01:55:08,160 --> 01:55:11,920
Speaker 8: pivot to Micah Potter has quite the story when it

2522
01:55:11,960 --> 01:55:14,920
Speaker 8: comes to the NBA Journey and was a member of

2523
01:55:15,240 --> 01:55:19,040
Speaker 8: the Team USA team that actually won gold and the

2524
01:55:19,040 --> 01:55:21,040
Speaker 8: Olympics now want to say member he was a part

2525
01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:23,880
Speaker 8: of like their ramp up for the Paris Olympics. But

2526
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:26,800
Speaker 8: what has been your experience getting to know him and

2527
01:55:26,840 --> 01:55:29,280
Speaker 8: how much he loves the game and how highly skilled

2528
01:55:29,320 --> 01:55:31,200
Speaker 8: he must be to obviously even have a chance to

2529
01:55:31,320 --> 01:55:32,839
Speaker 8: join all those greats.

2530
01:55:33,400 --> 01:55:36,879
Speaker 3: Last summer, yeah, we heard a lot of good things

2531
01:55:37,120 --> 01:55:37,680
Speaker 3: about him.

2532
01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:40,440
Speaker 12: He was on the select team, and the select team's

2533
01:55:40,520 --> 01:55:46,720
Speaker 12: job is to be practice players for Team USA, to

2534
01:55:46,760 --> 01:55:51,960
Speaker 12: be competitive on the one hand, and on the other hand,

2535
01:55:52,040 --> 01:55:55,440
Speaker 12: to make sure they don't hurt anybody, you know, I

2536
01:55:55,480 --> 01:55:59,960
Speaker 12: mean the in the scrimmages, et cetera. And so, look,

2537
01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:02,200
Speaker 12: he's a he's a very good player.

2538
01:56:03,800 --> 01:56:03,960
Speaker 3: You know.

2539
01:56:04,040 --> 01:56:09,040
Speaker 12: One thing that I've noticed about him, and he's looked

2540
01:56:09,120 --> 01:56:11,520
Speaker 12: back in his last couple of years. You know, he

2541
01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:14,240
Speaker 12: he plays both the four and the five position, and

2542
01:56:14,280 --> 01:56:17,440
Speaker 12: in the Orlando game a couple of days ago, you know,

2543
01:56:17,560 --> 01:56:20,880
Speaker 12: we had a segment of the game where he and

2544
01:56:21,000 --> 01:56:23,400
Speaker 12: I think Tony Bradley were playing together for a while. So,

2545
01:56:24,160 --> 01:56:28,640
Speaker 12: you know, it's he's got some versatility, he's got some experience,

2546
01:56:30,160 --> 01:56:32,440
Speaker 12: he's you know the right age. You know, a guy

2547
01:56:32,480 --> 01:56:34,800
Speaker 12: in his you know, mid twenties or whatever it is,

2548
01:56:36,040 --> 01:56:39,920
Speaker 12: loves the game, as you mentioned, and you know he's

2549
01:56:39,960 --> 01:56:43,840
Speaker 12: helped us, and so he's he's he's got it. He's

2550
01:56:43,880 --> 01:56:46,560
Speaker 12: got himself a great opportunity here.

2551
01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:50,040
Speaker 10: Again, that opportunity tonight probably a big role. It's Cleveland

2552
01:56:50,040 --> 01:56:53,760
Speaker 10: at seven o'clock, Pacers and calves here on a Tuesday.

2553
01:56:54,480 --> 01:56:56,960
Speaker 4: Coach when you're in a losing streak like you are.

2554
01:56:57,160 --> 01:56:58,960
Speaker 10: You know when you hear coaches so often it's a

2555
01:56:59,000 --> 01:57:03,040
Speaker 10: process oriented Bay, How difficult is it when you are

2556
01:57:03,080 --> 01:57:06,200
Speaker 10: in a slide like this to stick to whatever process

2557
01:57:06,240 --> 01:57:09,240
Speaker 10: that you want to adhere to. But also do you

2558
01:57:09,280 --> 01:57:11,200
Speaker 10: find a balance of like, hey, we need to break

2559
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:14,320
Speaker 10: some things, we need to do things differently in order

2560
01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:17,040
Speaker 10: for the end result to be different. Is that a

2561
01:57:17,080 --> 01:57:18,480
Speaker 10: bit of a battle for you right now?

2562
01:57:19,760 --> 01:57:22,960
Speaker 12: Well, there's a lot of battles going on, but there's

2563
01:57:23,000 --> 01:57:27,040
Speaker 12: no choice but to focus on process. Really, Hey, you know,

2564
01:57:28,600 --> 01:57:32,040
Speaker 12: you can't just go into every day talking about, hey,

2565
01:57:32,040 --> 01:57:33,720
Speaker 12: we got to win, we gotta win, we got to win.

2566
01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:37,879
Speaker 12: I mean, you know, we have some extraordinary circumstances with

2567
01:57:38,240 --> 01:57:41,919
Speaker 12: a lot of guys out. You know, that's that's old news.

2568
01:57:42,880 --> 01:57:44,360
Speaker 12: The thing we got to do is we got to

2569
01:57:44,360 --> 01:57:48,200
Speaker 12: do the basics better. I think coming into the leading

2570
01:57:48,240 --> 01:57:51,520
Speaker 12: into this interview, you talked about a couple of fifty

2571
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:54,800
Speaker 12: to fifty balls, you know, you know, with forty to

2572
01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:58,640
Speaker 12: go in the fourth quarter, we're down three one, three,

2573
01:57:58,680 --> 01:58:02,000
Speaker 12: and there's a ball that Pascal has in his hands.

2574
01:58:02,040 --> 01:58:06,040
Speaker 12: Briefly Nemhart may have touched it, and we we just

2575
01:58:06,120 --> 01:58:09,880
Speaker 12: got to squeeze that thing and and be able to

2576
01:58:09,880 --> 01:58:13,520
Speaker 12: get into another offensive possession and score and then get

2577
01:58:13,560 --> 01:58:16,600
Speaker 12: another shop, you know, and we put ourselves in position,

2578
01:58:17,240 --> 01:58:22,760
Speaker 12: you know, this game tonight interestingly, you know, I'm not

2579
01:58:22,840 --> 01:58:25,280
Speaker 12: sure you know how a lot of people view Cleveland,

2580
01:58:25,320 --> 01:58:29,280
Speaker 12: but Cleveland is a is a is a temple team.

2581
01:58:29,440 --> 01:58:31,960
Speaker 12: They shoot a lot of threes, but they're a great

2582
01:58:32,080 --> 01:58:36,400
Speaker 12: offensive rebounding team. And so this game tonight comes down to,

2583
01:58:36,680 --> 01:58:40,280
Speaker 12: you know, the most important coverage is transition defense. And

2584
01:58:41,320 --> 01:58:43,360
Speaker 12: you know they're gonna they're gonna run pick and rolls

2585
01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:44,840
Speaker 12: and stuff like that. But if you don't, if you

2586
01:58:44,840 --> 01:58:47,880
Speaker 12: don't get back and stop them in transition, they're going

2587
01:58:47,960 --> 01:58:50,400
Speaker 12: to get off good looks at threes and they get

2588
01:58:50,440 --> 01:58:52,400
Speaker 12: and they have guys flying in from everywhere.

2589
01:58:53,000 --> 01:58:55,520
Speaker 3: And so the last game we.

2590
01:58:55,480 --> 01:58:57,880
Speaker 12: Played them, I think they had nineteen offensive rebounds and

2591
01:58:58,560 --> 01:59:03,960
Speaker 12: a bazillion you know, second chance points. So you know,

2592
01:59:04,080 --> 01:59:06,760
Speaker 12: this comes down to possession of the ball, and we've

2593
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:09,920
Speaker 12: got to clean possession, you know, on missus when we're

2594
01:59:09,960 --> 01:59:13,920
Speaker 12: defending and then you know, offensively, uh, we had to

2595
01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:18,320
Speaker 12: get great shots and within our crash games, you know,

2596
01:59:18,560 --> 01:59:24,920
Speaker 12: be opportunistic there. But there's nothing there's nothing fun about losing.

2597
01:59:24,920 --> 01:59:29,040
Speaker 12: There's nothing easy about losing. We got to maintain a

2598
01:59:29,200 --> 01:59:33,840
Speaker 12: very positive approach with our players and you know, show them,

2599
01:59:34,840 --> 01:59:41,240
Speaker 12: you know, equally equally as much positive stuff as negative stuff.

2600
01:59:41,280 --> 01:59:43,920
Speaker 12: I mean, I think that's super important. I think I

2601
01:59:43,960 --> 01:59:47,440
Speaker 12: told you guys before that we probably are more on

2602
01:59:47,480 --> 01:59:52,360
Speaker 12: the sixty five seventy positive and you know the thirty

2603
01:59:52,440 --> 01:59:54,880
Speaker 12: thirty five percent things we need to correct when we

2604
01:59:54,920 --> 01:59:55,480
Speaker 12: look at films.

2605
01:59:55,480 --> 01:59:57,680
Speaker 3: So you know, that's that's where it's at.

2606
01:59:59,040 --> 02:00:01,760
Speaker 12: And you know, we got another opportunity to compete tonight

2607
02:00:01,800 --> 02:00:03,200
Speaker 12: and we're looking forward to it.

2608
02:00:03,480 --> 02:00:05,680
Speaker 10: That New Year's Eve Mattine game. We talked to you

2609
02:00:05,760 --> 02:00:08,160
Speaker 10: the day before that and after that game against the

2610
02:00:08,160 --> 02:00:11,400
Speaker 10: Magic you use the phrase, you know, too much petty

2611
02:00:11,480 --> 02:00:13,480
Speaker 10: nonsense in that game.

2612
02:00:13,680 --> 02:00:16,000
Speaker 7: Did you see less of that in.

2613
02:00:15,960 --> 02:00:18,320
Speaker 10: The San Antonio and I guess the second Orlando games

2614
02:00:18,360 --> 02:00:18,960
Speaker 10: over the weekend?

2615
02:00:20,280 --> 02:00:20,600
Speaker 3: Yes?

2616
02:00:22,200 --> 02:00:24,440
Speaker 10: Could you define petty nonsense?

2617
02:00:26,680 --> 02:00:29,000
Speaker 12: No, I'm not going to get into it on this,

2618
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:31,400
Speaker 12: but I would like to. I would like to congratulate

2619
02:00:31,480 --> 02:00:34,560
Speaker 12: James on sports Prayer of the Year in the state

2620
02:00:34,600 --> 02:00:41,160
Speaker 12: of Indiana. Pretty pretty amazing accomplishment and congratulations. And he's

2621
02:00:41,680 --> 02:00:44,440
Speaker 12: a young king of all Media, rising king of all Media.

2622
02:00:45,040 --> 02:00:46,360
Speaker 4: Amen, I appreciate that.

2623
02:00:47,200 --> 02:00:48,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, I want to say, yeah, you were the first

2624
02:00:48,760 --> 02:00:51,160
Speaker 8: time I cover when I moved here to Indianapolis, So

2625
02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:54,080
Speaker 8: Thomas kind of flown by, but not to make it

2626
02:00:54,080 --> 02:00:55,200
Speaker 8: about me to BIV.

2627
02:00:55,320 --> 02:00:57,280
Speaker 4: Back to the Pacers and your team.

2628
02:00:57,800 --> 02:01:00,200
Speaker 8: You look at Aaron Smith obviously been doubles man's he's

2629
02:01:00,200 --> 02:01:02,680
Speaker 8: like many of your players have this year. How much

2630
02:01:02,680 --> 02:01:04,520
Speaker 8: do you think he sort of turned the corner a

2631
02:01:04,520 --> 02:01:06,520
Speaker 8: bit and look like the player that we know him

2632
02:01:06,520 --> 02:01:07,920
Speaker 8: to be and the guy who can be one of

2633
02:01:07,920 --> 02:01:09,360
Speaker 8: the better two way players in the league.

2634
02:01:09,880 --> 02:01:14,879
Speaker 3: Yeahah, he's done a great job with his rehab, conditioning everything.

2635
02:01:16,000 --> 02:01:16,200
Speaker 3: You know.

2636
02:01:16,280 --> 02:01:20,480
Speaker 12: The the big challenge right now is not to have

2637
02:01:20,600 --> 02:01:25,400
Speaker 12: to overplay him, get him up into the mid to

2638
02:01:25,480 --> 02:01:29,680
Speaker 12: high thirties and minutes. I mean, that's that's where particularly

2639
02:01:29,680 --> 02:01:32,400
Speaker 12: a guy coming back from you know, being out six

2640
02:01:32,560 --> 02:01:35,960
Speaker 12: seven weeks whatever it was, you can you can run

2641
02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:38,080
Speaker 12: into some some dangerous stuff.

2642
02:01:38,600 --> 02:01:40,839
Speaker 3: But he's super valuable.

2643
02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:44,240
Speaker 12: I think he's showing that since he's been back, he's

2644
02:01:44,240 --> 02:01:48,200
Speaker 12: on the leaders of the team. You know, he's he's

2645
02:01:48,200 --> 02:01:52,560
Speaker 12: getting his rhythm back, he's you know, he's defending a

2646
02:01:52,560 --> 02:01:55,000
Speaker 12: lot of the better players that we play against. And

2647
02:01:55,120 --> 02:01:58,440
Speaker 12: so you know, look him, Nemhard and Siakam, you know,

2648
02:01:58,480 --> 02:02:01,400
Speaker 12: those are those guys are our three you know, main

2649
02:02:01,520 --> 02:02:03,879
Speaker 12: guys in our veteran leaders.

2650
02:02:03,960 --> 02:02:06,000
Speaker 3: And then you know you put TJ.

2651
02:02:06,080 --> 02:02:08,400
Speaker 12: McConnell in that in that category as well off the

2652
02:02:08,400 --> 02:02:12,240
Speaker 12: bench as a as a veteran guy. So all those guys,

2653
02:02:13,240 --> 02:02:15,120
Speaker 12: you know, need to play big for us and they.

2654
02:02:15,000 --> 02:02:17,640
Speaker 3: Need to help us with their leadership of the team.

2655
02:02:18,240 --> 02:02:20,960
Speaker 8: One more regarding the team, kind of being in a

2656
02:02:21,000 --> 02:02:25,160
Speaker 8: tough spot right now, Rick, how do you balance the

2657
02:02:25,440 --> 02:02:28,400
Speaker 8: urge to want to do more but knowing that more

2658
02:02:28,480 --> 02:02:30,960
Speaker 8: might not always be the answer. Meaning I want to

2659
02:02:30,960 --> 02:02:32,440
Speaker 8: practice more, I want to watch more film, I want

2660
02:02:32,440 --> 02:02:34,560
Speaker 8: to do all these different things. But how much of

2661
02:02:34,560 --> 02:02:37,240
Speaker 8: it is doing more versus just doing something different? Trying

2662
02:02:37,240 --> 02:02:38,440
Speaker 8: to marry the two ideas.

2663
02:02:40,640 --> 02:02:41,440
Speaker 3: Good question. You know.

2664
02:02:43,400 --> 02:02:47,080
Speaker 12: One of the things that can happen is, you know,

2665
02:02:47,520 --> 02:02:50,040
Speaker 12: when you go through a period where you know, you

2666
02:02:50,080 --> 02:02:53,240
Speaker 12: lose a lot of games, a different kind of fatigue

2667
02:02:53,280 --> 02:02:54,200
Speaker 12: can set in, and so.

2668
02:02:54,840 --> 02:02:56,440
Speaker 3: We've got to be mindful of that.

2669
02:02:56,600 --> 02:02:58,920
Speaker 12: We've got to try to keep our guys as fresh

2670
02:02:59,000 --> 02:03:04,600
Speaker 12: as possible when we're preparing them for the upcoming game.

2671
02:03:05,600 --> 02:03:09,760
Speaker 12: Make sure we're very on point and concise with scouting

2672
02:03:09,760 --> 02:03:14,600
Speaker 12: information and not overloading all those kinds of things. And

2673
02:03:14,640 --> 02:03:17,200
Speaker 12: then you know, we just got to keep every tuned

2674
02:03:17,240 --> 02:03:20,040
Speaker 12: up ready to play. It's a it's a it's a

2675
02:03:20,080 --> 02:03:22,839
Speaker 12: part of the year where you know, get into January

2676
02:03:22,920 --> 02:03:25,520
Speaker 12: and this can be this can be the dog days.

2677
02:03:25,720 --> 02:03:28,400
Speaker 12: And you know last year January was a real turning

2678
02:03:28,440 --> 02:03:29,280
Speaker 12: point in our season.

2679
02:03:29,560 --> 02:03:31,440
Speaker 3: And uh, you know right.

2680
02:03:31,560 --> 02:03:35,240
Speaker 12: Now we we we want to get on a get

2681
02:03:35,240 --> 02:03:39,160
Speaker 12: on a positive run here of some sort. But that

2682
02:03:39,280 --> 02:03:43,760
Speaker 12: starts with playing better, doing the basics better and and

2683
02:03:43,800 --> 02:03:45,640
Speaker 12: getting closer to a chance to win.

2684
02:03:46,000 --> 02:03:48,160
Speaker 4: Rick last one and again appreciate the time.

2685
02:03:48,200 --> 02:03:50,280
Speaker 10: So actually on a game day, you know, we talked

2686
02:03:50,280 --> 02:03:51,760
Speaker 10: so much in the last couple of years with you

2687
02:03:51,840 --> 02:03:55,879
Speaker 10: about the freedom of your point guard and particularly Tyrese Haliburton,

2688
02:03:56,000 --> 02:03:57,880
Speaker 10: and you know, you having that meeting with them when

2689
02:03:57,920 --> 02:03:59,840
Speaker 10: the trade happened, Hey, I'm going to give you the ball,

2690
02:03:59,880 --> 02:04:03,240
Speaker 10: and you know you believe in him. Obviously, given his

2691
02:04:03,280 --> 02:04:07,839
Speaker 10: absence this year, have you had to run more set plays,

2692
02:04:07,920 --> 02:04:12,800
Speaker 10: more places on the sideline than you have in past years?

2693
02:04:12,840 --> 02:04:14,400
Speaker 3: Oh, we we have.

2694
02:04:14,800 --> 02:04:18,840
Speaker 12: And it's not it's not just a a tyreason not

2695
02:04:19,000 --> 02:04:21,720
Speaker 12: being out there thing. You know, there were stretches where

2696
02:04:21,760 --> 02:04:25,440
Speaker 12: Nemar miss time, and there were stretches where you know,

2697
02:04:25,480 --> 02:04:28,000
Speaker 12: we felt the temple of the game needed to needed

2698
02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:31,280
Speaker 12: to be more of a medium tempo type thing. We're

2699
02:04:31,400 --> 02:04:35,800
Speaker 12: we're really, we're really not there now. Uh, Nemar has

2700
02:04:35,840 --> 02:04:38,200
Speaker 12: been back, he's you know, for a while now, and

2701
02:04:40,000 --> 02:04:42,640
Speaker 12: you know, he's the guy that I implicitly trust running

2702
02:04:42,640 --> 02:04:46,120
Speaker 12: the team as well, and he plays better and our

2703
02:04:46,200 --> 02:04:50,800
Speaker 12: team plays better when we play with tempo, with pace

2704
02:04:52,560 --> 02:04:55,400
Speaker 12: and you know, with with player empowerment. You know, we

2705
02:04:55,560 --> 02:04:58,960
Speaker 12: just when we do that, you know, there's there's a

2706
02:04:59,000 --> 02:05:05,440
Speaker 12: responsibility that falls on them for quality, shot creation, ball

2707
02:05:05,520 --> 02:05:09,640
Speaker 12: security and you know, attention to detail when it comes

2708
02:05:09,680 --> 02:05:12,560
Speaker 12: to the basics. So you know, I have a phrase

2709
02:05:12,720 --> 02:05:16,440
Speaker 12: that I use very very very often. You know, two hands,

2710
02:05:16,480 --> 02:05:20,040
Speaker 12: two eyes and coming up with the possession of the

2711
02:05:20,080 --> 02:05:22,920
Speaker 12: ball and putting two hands on the ball is the

2712
02:05:22,960 --> 02:05:25,320
Speaker 12: first thing, and then two eyes on the guy you're

2713
02:05:25,320 --> 02:05:27,200
Speaker 12: throwing it. To to make sure that you that we

2714
02:05:27,240 --> 02:05:30,680
Speaker 12: can make that next pass, because when we are able

2715
02:05:30,760 --> 02:05:35,640
Speaker 12: to secure an opponent's turnover, we got to make sure

2716
02:05:35,640 --> 02:05:37,960
Speaker 12: we have a number one and number two that when

2717
02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:42,080
Speaker 12: we make that next pass, which which really feeds into

2718
02:05:42,320 --> 02:05:44,240
Speaker 12: you know, the strength of our team, which is playing

2719
02:05:44,800 --> 02:05:47,320
Speaker 12: fast and in transition, we got to complete that pass.

2720
02:05:47,760 --> 02:05:51,280
Speaker 12: And we've had many instances this year where you know,

2721
02:05:51,320 --> 02:05:54,000
Speaker 12: we've had miscues and.

2722
02:05:53,280 --> 02:05:55,480
Speaker 3: We got to keep working to cut down on those.

2723
02:05:55,840 --> 02:06:00,640
Speaker 10: Appreciate the shout out for James certainly well deserved night, coach,

2724
02:06:00,680 --> 02:06:03,560
Speaker 10: and we'll chat with you next Tuesday. All Right, you guys,

2725
02:06:03,720 --> 02:06:07,840
Speaker 10: Rick Carlisle, Payless Lickers, Hotline, Pacers, in Calves, Kevin Bowen,

2726
02:06:07,920 --> 02:06:11,000
Speaker 10: Mark Dyighton, jeff Rickord, the rising king of all media,

2727
02:06:11,560 --> 02:06:14,000
Speaker 10: talk to me and I will be back one final time.

2728
02:06:15,480 --> 02:06:17,400
Speaker 7: Good morning. You just heard Rick Carlisle, the head coach

2729
02:06:17,400 --> 02:06:20,720
Speaker 7: the Indiana Pacers, talking to Cavin and James about navigating

2730
02:06:20,720 --> 02:06:23,200
Speaker 7: his way through a tough season of twelve game losing streak,

2731
02:06:23,280 --> 02:06:25,600
Speaker 7: injuries to players, a little bit of an update on

2732
02:06:25,840 --> 02:06:29,000
Speaker 7: uh on on Nee Smith and what's going on there.

2733
02:06:29,080 --> 02:06:31,800
Speaker 7: I'm matherin, I'm sorry, and what's happening there. What was

2734
02:06:31,800 --> 02:06:34,480
Speaker 7: your overall takeaway from that conversation just a moment ago,

2735
02:06:34,560 --> 02:06:35,360
Speaker 7: James Boyd.

2736
02:06:35,200 --> 02:06:37,680
Speaker 8: Well one, I'm the king of all media, right, I

2737
02:06:38,120 --> 02:06:41,080
Speaker 8: heard king, not the king rising king of all media.

2738
02:06:41,120 --> 02:06:44,440
Speaker 4: I have arrived. Okay, all right, you peasants, be quiet.

2739
02:06:44,640 --> 02:06:48,360
Speaker 4: So you updated your Twitter indicate that LinkedIn will.

2740
02:06:48,240 --> 02:06:52,280
Speaker 7: Be rising king of all media.

2741
02:06:52,360 --> 02:06:53,960
Speaker 4: Hey shout out to Rick Carlisle.

2742
02:06:53,960 --> 02:06:56,120
Speaker 8: Appreciate the shout out, But in all serious is I

2743
02:06:56,360 --> 02:07:00,280
Speaker 8: thought what he said about the mental fatigue of losing

2744
02:07:00,360 --> 02:07:04,320
Speaker 8: streak was real and having to find ways to not

2745
02:07:04,760 --> 02:07:08,000
Speaker 8: just be negative, because there is a whole lot of

2746
02:07:08,000 --> 02:07:10,160
Speaker 8: negative right now, and you can certainly go into a

2747
02:07:10,160 --> 02:07:13,080
Speaker 8: film room and say here's the one hundred things you

2748
02:07:13,120 --> 02:07:16,960
Speaker 8: did wrong, but having a balance that with giving them

2749
02:07:17,320 --> 02:07:19,760
Speaker 8: some sort of idea of how you can rectify, how

2750
02:07:19,760 --> 02:07:22,200
Speaker 8: you can fix it, how you can obviously snap this

2751
02:07:22,320 --> 02:07:24,880
Speaker 8: losing streak. So we'll see how much of that translates

2752
02:07:24,920 --> 02:07:28,040
Speaker 8: to actual results. But I do think that is something

2753
02:07:28,080 --> 02:07:30,840
Speaker 8: that we might gloss over from a coaching standpoint, because

2754
02:07:30,840 --> 02:07:32,520
Speaker 8: it ain't just exits and ohs all the times'sually what

2755
02:07:32,560 --> 02:07:34,200
Speaker 8: we're dealing with high level athletes.

2756
02:07:34,200 --> 02:07:36,760
Speaker 4: Everyone has an ego. Everyone has an agenda.

2757
02:07:37,080 --> 02:07:39,960
Speaker 8: Now collectively, usually the Pacers are a together team. I

2758
02:07:40,000 --> 02:07:42,320
Speaker 8: don't want to paint that picture, but there's just so

2759
02:07:42,360 --> 02:07:45,240
Speaker 8: many moving parts that aren't just what you put on

2760
02:07:45,320 --> 02:07:47,480
Speaker 8: a clipboard. You got to go out there and try

2761
02:07:47,480 --> 02:07:49,800
Speaker 8: to give the guy some real umph, some real belief

2762
02:07:49,800 --> 02:07:50,280
Speaker 8: that they can win.

2763
02:07:50,360 --> 02:07:53,480
Speaker 10: I think our audience dissects the answers to Benedic Maatheren

2764
02:07:53,600 --> 02:07:56,040
Speaker 10: quite often with Rick Carlisle, Yeah.

2765
02:07:55,840 --> 02:07:56,200
Speaker 7: For sure.

2766
02:07:56,280 --> 02:07:58,520
Speaker 10: So if you go back to his answer again, sounds

2767
02:07:58,560 --> 02:08:00,520
Speaker 10: like Ben's gonna miss at least a week with that

2768
02:08:00,560 --> 02:08:04,879
Speaker 10: thumb injury. I would say, all in all, Rick sounded,

2769
02:08:05,360 --> 02:08:08,680
Speaker 10: you know, fine with the season he's had in acknowledging

2770
02:08:08,920 --> 02:08:10,960
Speaker 10: you know a lot of it is due to injury.

2771
02:08:10,960 --> 02:08:13,840
Speaker 10: He appreciates him fighting through it, but he just hasn't

2772
02:08:13,880 --> 02:08:16,320
Speaker 10: quite looked himself. So now that gets into the debate

2773
02:08:16,360 --> 02:08:18,800
Speaker 10: of we're lets than a month away from the trade deadline.

2774
02:08:19,680 --> 02:08:20,360
Speaker 4: How do you view it?

2775
02:08:20,560 --> 02:08:22,080
Speaker 10: Do you chalk up Ben Nick Matheren is having a

2776
02:08:22,080 --> 02:08:22,800
Speaker 10: banged up season?

2777
02:08:24,880 --> 02:08:26,200
Speaker 4: Do you not? Do you look at it?

2778
02:08:26,320 --> 02:08:28,760
Speaker 10: Hey, our opportunity to make a move is probably only

2779
02:08:28,800 --> 02:08:31,400
Speaker 10: going to happen with this deadline. Considering obviously he is

2780
02:08:31,920 --> 02:08:34,640
Speaker 10: a free agent. You know, are you just talking him

2781
02:08:34,720 --> 02:08:37,080
Speaker 10: up to talk him up here a month before the deadline?

2782
02:08:37,520 --> 02:08:37,680
Speaker 7: You know?

2783
02:08:37,760 --> 02:08:40,840
Speaker 10: All of those I think are some conversations we can have.

2784
02:08:41,000 --> 02:08:45,040
Speaker 10: Is we inch clos there? Thursday, February fifth, the NBA

2785
02:08:45,120 --> 02:08:45,720
Speaker 10: trade deadline.

2786
02:08:45,760 --> 02:08:46,840
Speaker 7: I think one of the things that you can do

2787
02:08:46,960 --> 02:08:48,880
Speaker 7: right now is shut him down for a while, get

2788
02:08:48,920 --> 02:08:51,560
Speaker 7: him fully healthy, and then when he comes back, if

2789
02:08:51,560 --> 02:08:53,680
Speaker 7: he's healthy and he starts to play a lot better,

2790
02:08:54,160 --> 02:08:56,640
Speaker 7: now you have options, James, Do I want to keep

2791
02:08:56,640 --> 02:08:58,040
Speaker 7: this guy around him in a part of our core

2792
02:08:58,160 --> 02:09:00,440
Speaker 7: moving forward? Or is he playing well enough that he's

2793
02:09:00,480 --> 02:09:05,160
Speaker 7: attractive and we're something worth getting back from somebody else.

2794
02:09:06,000 --> 02:09:08,120
Speaker 4: That Kevin was making. You ain't got time for all.

2795
02:09:08,560 --> 02:09:10,760
Speaker 10: That's my question, Jeff, is how long is that window?

2796
02:09:10,840 --> 02:09:13,000
Speaker 10: But if he's gonna miss it, like week.

2797
02:09:12,840 --> 02:09:15,040
Speaker 7: Two and a half weeks maybe maybe so.

2798
02:09:15,040 --> 02:09:16,800
Speaker 10: Two and a half weeks, are we going to just

2799
02:09:16,840 --> 02:09:19,400
Speaker 10: evaluate that to the nth degree? Are we going to

2800
02:09:19,480 --> 02:09:20,720
Speaker 10: look at a guy and be like, wait, he was

2801
02:09:20,720 --> 02:09:23,120
Speaker 10: our leading scorer and the most important game of our

2802
02:09:23,240 --> 02:09:26,080
Speaker 10: our you know franchise's history. Do you chalk it up

2803
02:09:26,080 --> 02:09:28,000
Speaker 10: to injuries? Do you chalk it up to Halliburton, So

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Speaker 10: I think that would be again fascinating to see how

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Speaker 10: the next month plays out. By the way, I just

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02:09:35,480 --> 02:09:40,160
Speaker 10: housed the Crispy Chicken Caesar rap from Cluster Truck Outstanding

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02:09:40,440 --> 02:09:43,720
Speaker 10: Big Fan All one, where big Fan five dollars off

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02:09:43,760 --> 02:09:44,920
Speaker 10: your order of twenty five or more.

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02:09:45,160 --> 02:09:46,560
Speaker 4: That you're gonna say you're a big fan of Evan

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02:09:46,600 --> 02:09:48,880
Speaker 4: Cheryl Well, I am. I thought that was a given.

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Speaker 10: I am also a big fan of the Game Day

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02:09:51,240 --> 02:09:53,600
Speaker 10: tailgate special. Evan Scheril and I were changing we're exchanging

2813
02:09:53,640 --> 02:09:56,240
Speaker 10: some texts about this. If you've got appointment football, which

2814
02:09:56,280 --> 02:09:58,680
Speaker 10: we've got it here coming up this week, the game

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02:09:58,800 --> 02:10:02,240
Speaker 10: Day special is out standing. Twenty nine ninety nine, two

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02:10:03,000 --> 02:10:07,560
Speaker 10: big old pizzas and two pounds of chicken strips Saturday

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02:10:07,600 --> 02:10:09,480
Speaker 10: and Sunday only. I'm gonna try and talk Evan into

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02:10:09,480 --> 02:10:11,120
Speaker 10: Friday night. I'm gonna try to talk him into the

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02:10:11,120 --> 02:10:13,520
Speaker 10: old Peachable action for that. But twenty nine ninety nine.

2820
02:10:13,560 --> 02:10:16,000
Speaker 10: Throwing that big Fan promo code you get five hours off.

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02:10:16,240 --> 02:10:18,320
Speaker 10: It can feed a large group of people.

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Speaker 7: I feel like he'll do that for Kevin Bowen James.

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02:10:20,520 --> 02:10:23,080
Speaker 7: I feel like he might bend on that for KB,

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Speaker 7: not for.

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02:10:23,640 --> 02:10:26,200
Speaker 4: Kevin, but for award winning journals like James Hill. Well

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02:10:26,240 --> 02:10:28,840
Speaker 4: right you boy Mark?

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02:10:28,880 --> 02:10:29,800
Speaker 3: Do we have that audio?

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02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:32,760
Speaker 10: And then the description of James Boyd how do we

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02:10:32,840 --> 02:10:33,680
Speaker 10: have to refer to him?

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02:10:33,720 --> 02:10:33,920
Speaker 3: Now?

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02:10:34,160 --> 02:10:35,320
Speaker 4: Moving forward the moment?

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02:10:35,400 --> 02:10:37,960
Speaker 7: Oh see it. If it had been the other way around,

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02:10:38,200 --> 02:10:40,760
Speaker 7: it had been negative, he'd have had that thing ready

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Speaker 7: to go.

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02:10:41,520 --> 02:10:46,680
Speaker 10: But the respectful question to me from Rick Carlisle asap

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02:10:46,760 --> 02:10:48,920
Speaker 10: and he doesn't cut that, man, get it.

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02:10:48,960 --> 02:10:52,520
Speaker 4: We're in new buildings here, Yeah, yeah, bring back Caleb.

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02:10:52,600 --> 02:10:55,000
Speaker 4: He would have had everything ready for us. Now I'm joking.

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Speaker 7: It's a fan morning show with KBJB and Jeff. Thanks

2840
02:10:59,560 --> 02:11:01,640
Speaker 7: for Rick carl I was always coming on every week.

2841
02:11:01,960 --> 02:11:03,560
Speaker 7: It is a grind and sometimes you have to do

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02:11:03,600 --> 02:11:06,360
Speaker 7: your best coaching job when a team is six and thirty.

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02:11:06,360 --> 02:11:09,600
Speaker 7: To your point, James about really coaching guys up, not

2844
02:11:09,680 --> 02:11:11,680
Speaker 7: just saying hey man, we're going through a tough time.

2845
02:11:11,680 --> 02:11:13,040
Speaker 7: But how do we fix this, how do we make

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02:11:13,040 --> 02:11:14,760
Speaker 7: it better? How do we get you better, how do

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02:11:14,800 --> 02:11:16,760
Speaker 7: we put you in a better position? How do we

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02:11:16,760 --> 02:11:18,880
Speaker 7: do all those things. I've had many coaches of the

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02:11:18,920 --> 02:11:22,160
Speaker 7: years tell me that some of their greatest coaching achievements

2850
02:11:22,200 --> 02:11:24,839
Speaker 7: were with teams that didn't have the greatest records because

2851
02:11:25,160 --> 02:11:27,640
Speaker 7: you had to really dig deep with guys and get

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02:11:27,640 --> 02:11:29,320
Speaker 7: the best out of them every day.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I kind of view it through a similar lens

2854
02:11:31,280 --> 02:11:35,080
Speaker 8: when we're doing radio or writing stories or whatever. Very

2855
02:11:35,080 --> 02:11:37,920
Speaker 8: easy to have the best radio show, the best story

2856
02:11:37,960 --> 02:11:40,120
Speaker 8: when the team is rolling. How do you figure out

2857
02:11:40,160 --> 02:11:43,400
Speaker 8: something compelling when that isn't the case? So I know

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02:11:43,600 --> 02:11:46,760
Speaker 8: Rick Carlisle's probably drivingself crazy trying to figure out solutions.

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02:11:46,840 --> 02:11:49,240
Speaker 8: I mean, and to be quite honest, the injuries have

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02:11:49,320 --> 02:11:51,480
Speaker 8: really taken a toll on this season. I mean, Michael

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02:11:51,480 --> 02:11:54,960
Speaker 8: Potter is playing significant minutes for the Pacers. That's not

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02:11:55,040 --> 02:11:58,000
Speaker 8: a statement I was going to make eight months ago.

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Speaker 7: It might have changed, but it was last week I

2864
02:12:00,160 --> 02:12:03,720
Speaker 7: had the stat that they had played twenty four different

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02:12:03,840 --> 02:12:06,320
Speaker 7: players and we weren't even halfway through the season.

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02:12:06,400 --> 02:12:08,720
Speaker 10: I think Tony East had the figure they have already

2867
02:12:08,760 --> 02:12:11,960
Speaker 10: had eighteen starting lineups. They had eighteen all last year

2868
02:12:12,240 --> 02:12:14,120
Speaker 10: when you look at it. By the way, shout out

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02:12:14,120 --> 02:12:16,880
Speaker 10: to Evan Cheryl. Yes, the Tailgate Special, the Peach Bowl

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02:12:16,960 --> 02:12:20,280
Speaker 10: Special you could call it. It will be available on Friday. Yeah,

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02:12:21,120 --> 02:12:23,960
Speaker 10: you still got sweat cluster truck on that.

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02:12:24,520 --> 02:12:25,520
Speaker 7: You still got a little poll there.

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02:12:25,760 --> 02:12:26,760
Speaker 4: I'm responding to my text.

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02:12:26,760 --> 02:12:29,120
Speaker 10: Had to go on the YouTube chat Wow to communicate

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02:12:29,120 --> 02:12:29,320
Speaker 10: with that.

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02:12:29,400 --> 02:12:30,560
Speaker 4: Man is a P one listener.

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02:12:30,760 --> 02:12:33,120
Speaker 7: He is, He's got his priorities and we appreciate that.

2878
02:12:33,280 --> 02:12:35,680
Speaker 7: By the way, the apple Wood chicken out was there's

2879
02:12:35,720 --> 02:12:37,840
Speaker 7: nothing left it no pele right.

2880
02:12:38,680 --> 02:12:41,000
Speaker 4: New Year knew me about. I didn't smell it.

2881
02:12:41,240 --> 02:12:44,040
Speaker 7: Check it up. Man had to check it out, all right,

2882
02:12:44,320 --> 02:12:47,240
Speaker 7: Mark a great job this morning with everything. We appreciate that. James,

2883
02:12:47,240 --> 02:12:51,240
Speaker 7: congratulation again the Indiana winner of the Journalists of the

2884
02:12:51,320 --> 02:12:55,000
Speaker 7: Year from the MSSA and MSA. Have a great day,

2885
02:12:55,040 --> 02:12:57,640
Speaker 7: guys at k noon and it'll be JMB at three.

2886
02:12:57,640 --> 02:12:59,160
Speaker 7: We'll see it up bright and early tomorrow morning.