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Speaker 1: Why from the Hartbyer and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Kats today. It's kind of exactly what you expected.

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Speaker 2: The political left losing their minds over President Trump a

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Speaker 2: federalizing DC. Yet everybody knows it's not a safe place.

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Speaker 2: Everybody knows these cities are not safe. But if you

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Speaker 2: ask MSNBC, it's all because of racism.

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Speaker 3: Things that we have seen over and over from the

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Speaker 2: Steve Miller's there.

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Speaker 3: We got one of the things that we have seen

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Speaker 3: Stephen Miller saying, it's like Baghdad and Ethiopia. They seem

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Speaker 3: to hold their harshest criticisms sometimes for cities that are majority.

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Speaker 2: Black and brown. Do you see that and what do

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Speaker 4: I think that.

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Speaker 2: I have been dealing. I think I'll take this from here,

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Speaker 2: Eugene Daniels. Our cities have larger populations of people who

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Speaker 2: are black in them. The cities have issues because they

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Speaker 2: are Democrat run. You can try and make this racial

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Speaker 2: all you want, but you fail in the task because

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Speaker 2: what you're saying to the people in those cities is

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Speaker 2: shut up and take it. You're saying to them that

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Speaker 2: they can never have better. You're saying to them, they

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Speaker 2: can't notice when there's a problem. They can't notice the violence,

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Speaker 2: they can't notice the crime, they can't notice the homelessness,

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Speaker 2: they can't notice the vagrancy. You're saying to them, you

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Speaker 2: you are saying to black and brown Americans you don't matter,

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz, that's me, by the way, Tony Kats today,

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Speaker 2: good to be with. You find everything at Tony kats

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Speaker 5: Of course, I am a grown man.

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Speaker 2: What are you talking about of any conversation I want

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Speaker 2: gonna tell me I can't please. That's never gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: He's telling the people those communities, don't say anything, don't

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Speaker 5: Democrat run cities are in working.

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Speaker 2: Democrat runs cities are leading to destruction and disaster.

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Speaker 5: Now, shame on the people.

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Speaker 2: In those cities who keep voting for the same terrible people,

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Speaker 2: usually because you know things like abortion. Hey, Chicago, abortion

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Speaker 2: doesn't matter. Hey Los Angeles, abortion doesn't matter. Your city

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Speaker 2: is falling apart, kids are dying, the jobs aren't there,

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Speaker 5: Abortion doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: Stop listening to the people who tell you you're only a

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Speaker 2: good Democrat if you vote on abortion. That's not helping you.

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Speaker 2: San Francisco, All the abortion talking in the world doesn't

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Speaker 2: help you. When there is littleal crap on the streets.

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Speaker 2: You aren't helped. Tulsa, you aren't helped. Saint Louis, you

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Speaker 2: helped with this ridiculous nonsense conversation of oh my gosh, abortion,

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Speaker 2: stop voting for leftists. Try something else, Just try something else.

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Speaker 2: The objective here is to get the job done, save

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Speaker 5: And then clear the snow when it snows. That's it,

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Speaker 5: that's what you want.

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Speaker 2: Streets safe, trash, picked up, snow removed. The end, you

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Speaker 2: think anything else matters? No, wait, wait, hold on, do

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Speaker 2: you really think anything else matters? Because nothing else matters.

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Speaker 2: After those three things, everything else is gravy. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: if you happen to live in a southern state, well

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Speaker 2: then you only have two things you have to worry about,

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Speaker 6: But now we're talking about governing, and my job is

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Speaker 2: That is the mayor of d C, Muriel Bowser, And

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Speaker 2: I want to say, for the record, Mayor Bowser, you failed. Now.

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Speaker 2: I lived in DC for a number of years and

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Speaker 5: You failed. The city is not safe.

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Speaker 2: Things are not going well. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 5: You don't have to like the argument. No one cares

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Speaker 2: Mayor you understand how inconsequential you are to the conversation.

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Speaker 2: You are a cog in the machine. All mayors are gone,

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Speaker 2: Do the job or get out. The streets are not safe,

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Speaker 2: and the best is they'll tell you. Well, you take

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Speaker 2: a look at the crime statistics, and the crime is down.

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Speaker 5: Violent crimes with with firearms is down.

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Speaker 7: I understand a lot of you tend to be on

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Speaker 5: And you all know people and friends of yours that happened.

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Speaker 7: And so you can be any anything you want, but

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Speaker 2: And you don't have that now. And that's accurate, by

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Speaker 2: the way, sir, I don't know who's walking to a

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Speaker 5: I will I will tell you that that is true.

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Speaker 2: That that's is is the thing that connects not connecting

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Speaker 8: It's not yeah, you can finish your point, but just

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Speaker 8: just let's stop where you just said before you go

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, you can worry about the environment.

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Speaker 8: You can worry about all these other things you can

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Speaker 8: you can worry about January sixth, You can worry about

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Speaker 8: all the things that you and I have talked about

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Speaker 2: That we've worried about.

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Speaker 8: At the same time, you can also worry about absolute

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Speaker 2: And that's why I started with the point about safety.

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Speaker 9: And that's an issue that needs to be addressed.

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Speaker 5: It's an issue that is.

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Speaker 9: Normally addressed locally, and I think it can be addressed

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Speaker 9: weaponize this fear of not just this city, but all cities.

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Speaker 9: He can't get Chicago out of his mouth. He's not

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Speaker 9: trying to intervene in the mayoral race in New York,

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Speaker 9: and he is doing this to distract us from the

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Speaker 2: January twentieth. That is the great take from MSNBC. The

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Speaker 2: All I know is the media when they report on

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Speaker 2: By the way, I have an issue pronouncing his name.

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Speaker 2: absolute destruction. Trump talking about New York seems pretty standard

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Speaker 5: Anybody on MSNBC can mention.

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Speaker 2: Trump could have just put his money in the stock

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Speaker 2: because of Trump? Not solely because of Trump, but definitely

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Speaker 2: in part because of Trump. And he has contributed more

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Speaker 5: Just a bit of fact.

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Speaker 2: So yes, yes, they all want to distract, they all

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Speaker 5: Escape the reality.

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Speaker 4: Me, Dana. Your business reputation precedes you.

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Speaker 11: Everybody knows that you know what you're doing, certainly in

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Speaker 10: There's just lots of disruptors, you know, in the world

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Speaker 2: I don't like it. I want China to get hit

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Speaker 5: Don't like it at all.

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Speaker 2: But also should we should note that inflation didn't rise.

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Speaker 2: Tony KapS President Trump having Pam Bondi, the Attorney General,

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Speaker 2: right now, Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be

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Speaker 5: The cities aren't fine. You know they're not fine. We

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Speaker 14: White people that trumped Yeah, that have the nerve in

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Speaker 2: Now, first I should inform you that this is a

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Speaker 5: To go to Beryl.

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Speaker 14: And if you want a triple Trump, you want to

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Speaker 2: That's not true. Of the people who voted for Trump

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Speaker 2: Why would you think that because I voted for Trump

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Speaker 2: everything seems to come kind of revolve around around that

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Speaker 2: kind of flavoring.

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Speaker 5: And this was just so different. I didn't know where

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Speaker 5: it was from.

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Speaker 2: I want to I want to get an understanding of

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Speaker 2: the regions of where it's from. You think, Jennifer Welch

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Speaker 2: gets to tell me where I can and can't eat

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Speaker 2: that broad? No, sorry, broads are cool that woman. By

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Speaker 2: the way, broads are cool. Broads are cool. Right, you.

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Speaker 5: Want I would think you would want to be a broad.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's a b Arthur was abroad, that's what you want?

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Speaker 2: The late Ruth Buzzy. Oh oh this, I'm shining not

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Speaker 2: to be too insulting, but who would let her decide anything?

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Speaker 2: What a nonsensical argument. You voted for Trump, so you

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Speaker 2: can't have a fajda. But weirdo, you absolute freak you

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Speaker 2: believe this? Can we discuss how disconnected you are from reality?

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Speaker 2: Disconnected you are from US DEI is terrible. I'm glad

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Speaker 2: it's been browbeaten. I only hope that I live to

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Speaker 2: see the day sooner rather than later, that it never

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Speaker 2: exists in a classroom, or in an office, or in

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Speaker 2: any type of situation. Ever. Again, that bigotry has no

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Speaker 2: place in the United States. Neither do those bigots who

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Speaker 2: support it. Jennifer welch browbeating black people. Talk to a

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Speaker 2: black person who isn't a liberal about how they're treated,

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Speaker 2: and we'll see who's being browbeaten.

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Speaker 5: How dare you not be a liberal?

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Speaker 2: Isn't that exactly what we saw from the scolding left

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Speaker 2: yelling at black men for not voting for Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 2: Don't you know you have to vote for her? Why

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Speaker 2: are you such a misogynist? It's about not being able

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Speaker 2: to recognize what's around you, Like when Jimmy Kimmel goes

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Speaker 2: on Sarah Silverman's podcast to say, you know the real

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Speaker 2: problem is we're scolding Americans so much. The left is

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Speaker 2: always scolding Americans, and so people don't want to be

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Speaker 2: around the Democratic Party because we're always scolding them. For

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Speaker 2: four years, you told half of America if you don't

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Speaker 2: get vaccinated, you're the reason Grandma died. And now you

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Speaker 2: want a lecture. By the way, Also Jimmy Kimmel's story,

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Speaker 2: he now has Italian citizenship, so worried about Trump, God's

473
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Speaker 2: just go already. If you were really brave, you would

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Speaker 2: give up the money and give up the power, and

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Speaker 2: you'd leave and you'd go live in Italy and maybe

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Speaker 2: you'd be a guest on Stanley Tucci show, which I

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Speaker 2: would love to do because that guy knows a bunch

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Speaker 2: about food. Oh, you can also eat Italian food conservatives.

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Speaker 2: It's fine. They scolded us for years and now they're like,

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Speaker 2: I wonder if this had a negative effect. But there

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Speaker 2: are some on the left, like Jennifer Welch, who want

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Speaker 2: to keep scolding. The problem is we're now at the

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Speaker 2: point of being able to feel very good about laughing

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Speaker 2: at her. Who are you scolding? You sound like a

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Speaker 2: crazy woman. You sound like somebody who nobody should know.

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I show your picture to

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Speaker 2: my kids and you say, see this.

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Speaker 5: This is somebody you don't date. Now listen to her.

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Speaker 2: You don't date anybody sounds like this or looks like this.

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Speaker 2: You don't date anybody with these kinds of views, because

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Speaker 2: that person is going to give you an absolute horrible life.

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Speaker 2: There is no happiness you will ever get, and the

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Speaker 2: only thing you'll ever wish for is a quick and

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Speaker 2: painless death. Avoid women like this at all costs. You're

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Speaker 2: a cautionary tale. Jennifer Welch. Now, if you'll excuse me,

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Speaker 2: there are some fahitas and somosas in my future.

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Speaker 5: I'm Tony Katz. Newsmax is reporting.

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Speaker 2: That Shiff made it okay to leak info to discredit

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump. Does anybody doubt this? It should not, It

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Speaker 2: should not be doubted. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good

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Speaker 2: to be with you, Democrat whistleblower telling me FBI that

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Speaker 2: Shift when he was in the House, approved leaking classified

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Speaker 2: information in order to discredit President Trump regarding Russia, Russia, Russia.

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Speaker 2: There's no question here. There's no question that he lied.

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Speaker 2: There's no question that he engaged in fraud. There's no

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Speaker 2: question that he abused his power. There is no question.

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Speaker 15: And I want I want to see moves made, certainly

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Speaker 15: on this mortgage.

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Speaker 5: I want to see it happen.

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Speaker 2: I want to see this move forward. He lied on

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Speaker 2: a mortgage application, So either his residence is in California

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Speaker 2: and he lied to get favorable terms, or his residence

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Speaker 2: is in Maryland and he's not allowed to be the

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Speaker 2: senator from California. Pick one. That's it, just pick one.

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Speaker 2: He lied on a form to get favorable terms, which

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Speaker 2: is exactly what they said Donald Trump did, and they

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Speaker 2: were able to get what millions of dollars out of him.

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Speaker 5: Or he's not the center.

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Speaker 2: That's it. That's it. Don't stop now if you say

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Speaker 2: to me, well, that has nothing to do with what

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Speaker 2: he did here. Oh no, no, go after for what

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Speaker 2: he did here too. My point is is that a

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Speaker 2: guy who will lie about that for power, taking a

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Speaker 2: page out of the Harry Reid playbook, that's a guy

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Speaker 2: who will do anything for power. Anything for power, can't

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Speaker 2: be denied. These are exactly the people you cannot have

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Speaker 2: win elections midterms November third, twenty twenty six. These people

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Speaker 2: cannot win. Look what they'll do. So it's a reminder.

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Speaker 2: And yes, I want he did one or the other

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Speaker 2: in my assessment, but leaking information to discredit Trump? Is

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Speaker 2: there any question? This is what the left did?

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Speaker 5: There should be no question.

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Speaker 2: Of course. This is what they did proudly, and they'll

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Speaker 2: do it again.

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Speaker 5: This is Tony Katz.

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Speaker 1: Today, Live from the Heartbeyer and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 1: It's Tony Katz today. Is the right cut imminent?

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Speaker 2: Well, the latest report from the BLS says maybe, Tony

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Speaker 2: Katz Tony kats Today, good to be with you. Consumer

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Speaker 2: Price Index seasonally adjusted point two percent for the month

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Speaker 2: two point on a twelve month basis, which was less

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Speaker 2: than expect did, meaning inflation might very well be under control.

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Speaker 2: And that also means that you could see a right.

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Speaker 16: Cut, a tamer inflation report despite President Trump's tariffs. This

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Speaker 16: is better than expected month over month, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 16: a point two percent on an annual basis, up two

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Speaker 16: point seven percent in July. That's also what we saw

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Speaker 16: on an annual basis for the month of June. When

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Speaker 16: you look at the key categories that we always look at, energy, food,

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Speaker 16: and shelter. Energy fell by one point one percent. That

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Speaker 16: was largely driven because of gas prices falling in the

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Speaker 16: month of July by two point two percent. Look at

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Speaker 16: that food, I mean this is where people spend their money, right,

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Speaker 16: food every single day. Food flat zero percent and actually

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Speaker 16: down at the grocery store by point one percent. And

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Speaker 16: then shelter we always usually see an increase because that

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Speaker 16: is what people are paying on rent and we know

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Speaker 16: that rents are rising. That is usually the biggest share

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Speaker 16: of this report. But when we look at core inflation,

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Speaker 16: this is where we're starting to see some of those

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Speaker 16: price increases. Core inflation actually came in hotter than expected

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Speaker 16: so month over month up point three percent and on

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Speaker 16: an annual basis up three point one percent. That's actually

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Speaker 16: the highest reading we've seen since February. And this is

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Speaker 16: important because it strips out that volatility of the energy

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Speaker 16: of the food prices.

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Speaker 2: So I happen to like that number as well. But

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Speaker 2: no matter how you slice it, this says that inflation

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Speaker 2: is in a far better place than we thought. This

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Speaker 2: is the indicator that it's time for a cut. We

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Speaker 2: can handle it. That's how it's going to be taken. Now.

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Speaker 2: What's interesting is that this comes from the Bureau of

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Speaker 2: Labor Statistics, the place where Trump just fired the head

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Speaker 2: of that. And we should note that regular guest on

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Speaker 2: this show, heritage economist E j Antoni, has now been

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Speaker 2: nominated by President Trump to lead the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

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Speaker 2: Thrilled for him. I sent him our well wishes yesterday

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Speaker 2: when I got the news. He was with us on Friday.

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Speaker 2: He was there with us on Friday talking about the

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Speaker 2: FED and the money being spent on bign governments and

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Speaker 2: how insane it is. And then Monday he's getting announced

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Speaker 2: to lead BLS. Look what this show does for people.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations ej thrilled for you keep it here. This is

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz today. You've heard me bring up Obergefeldt before,

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Speaker 2: and now there's this whole conversation about a case that

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Speaker 2: might overturn it. And I've been very clear that I

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Speaker 2: favor the overturning of Obergafel. And what's going to happen

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Speaker 2: is that's going to lead to people who think they

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Speaker 2: understand my position to scream that I'm anti gay. That's

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Speaker 2: all so incredibly boring. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good

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Speaker 2: to be with You find everything at tonycats dot com. Obergafel.

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Speaker 2: The Obergafel decision, going back to twenty fifteen, is the

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Speaker 2: decision that quote unquote legalized same sex marriage.

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Speaker 5: My issue is not what two people living their lives together.

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Speaker 2: My issue is that it seems like the Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: created a rite out of hold cloth. There's no law,

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Speaker 2: there's nothing on the books. They just simply decided that

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Speaker 2: this exists. And that's not what the Supreme Court should

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Speaker 2: be doing. Zack Smith joins me right now, senior legal

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Speaker 2: fellow and manager Supreme Court Appellate Advocacy Program at the

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Speaker 2: Edwin Mess Center for legal and Judicial studies, a short

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Speaker 2: way of saying it is senior legal fellow at the

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Speaker 2: Heritage Foundation Heritage dot Org, and Zach, I want to

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Speaker 2: get into this Obergerfeld decision conversation.

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Speaker 5: I want to dig deep.

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Speaker 2: But there's been so much going on about redistricting. How

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Speaker 2: the Texas Democrats fled to Illinois, because I guess that's

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Speaker 2: where democrats flee. This is about a mid decade redistricting

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Speaker 2: which is within the law. Nobody's even questioning whether there's

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Speaker 2: a violation of the law. Republicans think maybe there's an

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Speaker 2: opportunity to do this in other places. But you're telling

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Speaker 2: me that there's a case coming to Scotis that might

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Speaker 2: have an impact on all of this.

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Speaker 5: What's the story.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, that's exactly right. Well, thanks for having me on

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Speaker 13: the show today. The big case that may impact redistricting

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Speaker 13: at the Court is a case called Louisiana versus Calai.

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Speaker 13: This is a case out of Louisiana where essentially several

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Speaker 13: groups are challenging Louisiana's drawing of different majority minority congressional districts. Now,

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Speaker 13: the problem for many years that's existed for many states

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Speaker 13: is that Section two of the Voting Rights Act purports

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Speaker 13: to require states to take race into account when drawing

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Speaker 13: congressional districts. And yet the Fourteenth Amendment to our Constitution,

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Speaker 13: the Equal Protection Clause, explicitly prohibits space from taking race

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Speaker 13: into account when taking certain governmental actions. And in fact,

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Speaker 13: we heard the Supreme Court reaffirm that principle just recently

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Speaker 13: in the Harvard and U and C Decisions saying that

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Speaker 13: universities colleges can't take race into account and mission's decisions.

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Speaker 13: And yet states are being told they have to take

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Speaker 13: race into account when dealing with some of our most

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Speaker 13: fundamental political rights, involving how we vote, where we vote,

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Speaker 13: who we can vote for. And so what's interesting about

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Speaker 13: this case in particular, is that the Court heard arguments

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Speaker 13: in it last term, but they decided to hold it

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Speaker 13: over and hear arguments again in this same case this

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Speaker 13: upcoming term, which starts in October.

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Speaker 2: So wait, I'm going to stop it all past. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to stop you right there. That's not something you

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Speaker 2: hear of often hearing the argument and then deciding, you

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Speaker 2: know what, let's hold How often does that happen? And

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Speaker 2: specifically to this case, why did that.

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Speaker 13: Happen Yeah, So that's what I was going to say.

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Speaker 13: That doesn't happen very often, and in the past, whenever

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Speaker 13: it has happened, that typically means that the Court is

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Speaker 13: likely looking to change the current legal landscape in this

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Speaker 13: particular area.

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Speaker 2: So if they're, if they're if we're doing it in

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Speaker 2: a short sentence, an easy elevator pitch kind of way,

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Speaker 2: what is it that you feel the Supreme Court is

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Speaker 2: looking to do here on redistricting.

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Speaker 13: Well, I think there's a very real chance the Court

652
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Speaker 13: may reaffirm the idea that states can not take race

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Speaker 13: into account withdrawing congressional districts, And from my perspective, that's

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Speaker 13: a good thing.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Zach Smith, a senior legal fellow at the

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Speaker 2: Heritage Foundation Heritage dot org, none of us are fools, right,

657
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Speaker 2: We're all adults here. We have the audience here is massive,

658
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Speaker 2: and it's white, and it's black, and it's Asian, Hispanic,

659
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Speaker 2: and it's all sorts of things. And we understand that

660
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Speaker 2: states draw districts. They are they all gerrymander. They all

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Speaker 2: do this, and they draw districts to gain political advantage,

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Speaker 2: and very often that means they do draw districts based

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Speaker 2: on these racial lines. I guess the question is if

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court were to a firm that indeed that

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Speaker 2: is not allowed, how does how does that now then

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Speaker 2: go back to the states where they draw them differently, like,

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Speaker 2: how can you force them to do such a thing.

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Speaker 13: Well, the justification states have used whenever taking race into

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Speaker 13: account is they have been saying that Section two of

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Speaker 13: the voting or attack requires them to take race into

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Speaker 13: account and requires them in certain instances to draw these

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Speaker 13: majority minority districts. And so I suspect if the Supreme

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Speaker 13: Court overturns that says no, you can't take race into account,

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Speaker 13: then what would happen is we go back to the

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Speaker 13: state legislature and they would be forced to redraw other

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Speaker 13: congressional maps and any other legislative districts that may be

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Speaker 13: impacted as well.

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Speaker 2: But I guess that's the real question. What's going to

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Speaker 2: force them to do it? They could say, what was

680
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Speaker 2: never racially drawn? Anyway, It's fine, can't they?

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Speaker 13: Well, the issue is, so I think we're probably about

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Speaker 13: two different things. Whenever we talk about jerry managering drawing

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Speaker 13: the congressional districts political advantage, which is what we're hearing

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Speaker 13: so much about in Texas, in Illinois and these other places.

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Speaker 13: Right now, there's widespread agreement you can politically jerrymander, and

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Speaker 13: I think we've seen states do that, but you're not

687
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Speaker 13: supposed to be able to take race into account when

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Speaker 13: jerrymandering if you don't want to delete the voting power

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Speaker 13: of certain minority groups. And yet, what certain states like

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Speaker 13: Louisiana has been saying is that while we can't have

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Speaker 13: jerrymander based on race for political advantage, the voting right

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Speaker 13: jack requires us to try to give certain ethnic or

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Speaker 13: minority groups more voting power than they might otherwives have.

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Speaker 13: We have to take race into account and draw a

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Speaker 13: certain majority minority congressional districts. And so I think at

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Speaker 13: least that explicit justification could no longer be relied on

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Speaker 13: by the states.

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Speaker 2: Talking to you, Zach Smith, a senior legal fellow at

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Speaker 2: the Heritage Foundation Heritage dot org. Let's move it over

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Speaker 2: to a Berga fell this case back to twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 2: which started the right to same sex marriage. That I

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Speaker 2: have made the argument since then, not certainly, not every day.

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Speaker 2: Other subjects have come up that this was a Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court making a decision a law, if you will, out

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Speaker 2: of whole cloth. And this isn't what the Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: should be doing. If you want to argue this in

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Speaker 2: the States, I was winning at the time. In the States,

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Speaker 2: you can create, you can engage legislation via Congress. But

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court was wrong in this decision. The majority

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Speaker 2: opinion being written by Anthony Kennedy. Talk to me about

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Speaker 2: what it is the Supreme Court is going to hear

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Speaker 2: and whether or not they're going.

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Speaker 5: To act upon it.

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Speaker 13: Well, the Supreme Court hasn't agreed to hear anything yet.

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Speaker 13: There is a cert petition or request of court asking

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Speaker 13: them to hear a case involving a Burger Fell and

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Speaker 13: a potential to challenge to it. And you may remember

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Speaker 13: there was a county clerk in Kentucky named Kim Davis

719
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Speaker 13: who refused to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples.

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Speaker 13: As a result, she moved from office. She was sued

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Speaker 13: heavy monetary damages were imposed against her, and so she

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Speaker 13: has brought a case to the Supreme Court arguing that

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Speaker 13: she should not be personally required to pay some of

724
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Speaker 13: those damages. And there are several issues she's asking the

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Speaker 13: court to take up primarily related to whether or not

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Speaker 13: she can be held personally liable in her situation, but

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Speaker 13: it is one of the issues that she raises. She's

728
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Speaker 13: asking the Court to also consider whether Obergerfelt was correctly decided. Now, again,

729
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Speaker 13: the Court has not agreed to hear any of these issues,

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Speaker 13: but just the filing of this a certain petition, Just

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Speaker 13: the filing of this request the Court, I've certainly garnered

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Speaker 13: a lot of media attention.

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Speaker 5: To the actual decision of a Bergafel itself.

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Speaker 2: I make the argument that this was a Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: creating law, not engaging a decision based on the law

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Speaker 2: or an interpretation of the law, and for that reason alone,

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Speaker 2: it shall be overturned. In your expert view, am I

738
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Speaker 2: right or am I wrong?

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Speaker 13: Well, that's certainly the view that was shared by Justice

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Speaker 13: antonin Scalia. Is certainly the view that was shared by

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Speaker 13: Is Clarence Thomas, Certainly the view that was shared by

742
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Speaker 13: Chief Justice John Roberts and some of their separate opinions

743
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Speaker 13: at the time. You know, if you look at what

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Speaker 13: many commentators are saying right now, there's a question of

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Speaker 13: whether or not there are five votes on the Court

746
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Speaker 13: to overturn Oberga Fell you still have the Chief Justice

747
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Speaker 13: on the court. You still have Justice Clarience Thomas on

748
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Speaker 13: the court, you still have Justice Samuel Alito on the court.

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Speaker 13: But there's a question of whether or not, you know,

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Speaker 13: maybe Justice Course, it's just Cavanaugh and Justice Barrett would

751
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Speaker 13: want to take up this issue in this particular case. Now,

752
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Speaker 13: it only takes four justices to agree to hear a case,

753
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Speaker 13: but it takes five justices to issue a binding ruling

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Speaker 13: to overturn prior president. So I think a lot of

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Speaker 13: people are watching this petition very closely. But certainly those arguments,

756
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Speaker 13: said Justice Thomas, Justice Scalia, the Chief Justice, Justice Alito,

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Speaker 13: have made me it pass. You're right, all those arguments

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Speaker 13: certainly still have a lot of force.

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Speaker 2: So the argument is that I have as an argument

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Speaker 2: that the justices had, including the late Justice Scolia. Is

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Speaker 2: your take that that argument is going to be part

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Speaker 2: of or could be part of this conversation here?

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Speaker 13: Well, certainly that is what Kim Davis a lawyers as

764
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Speaker 13: she's represented by a group called Liberty Council. They're excellent

765
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Speaker 13: constitutional lawyers. They've had many wins at the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 13: They primarily deal in religious liberty litigation. They're certainly reiterating

767
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Speaker 13: those arguments that the right to same sex marriage is

768
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Speaker 13: unmoored from the text, history, or structure of the Constitution,

769
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Speaker 13: that essentially it is an invented right by the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 13: If you read their cirpetition, they go into some more

771
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Speaker 13: detail in some of those arguments. So again, we'll have

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Speaker 13: to wait and see whether there are four justices we

773
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Speaker 13: want to take up in this case and want to

774
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Speaker 13: take up to that particular issue within this case as well.

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Speaker 5: What issue would they have with taking up this issue.

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Speaker 13: Well, you know, we really don't know why the justices

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Speaker 13: decide to take up cases or don't decide to take

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Speaker 13: up cases. They usually don't issue opinions explaining why. Sometimes

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Speaker 13: if the justices declined to take up a case, if

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Speaker 13: they reject the case, individual justices sometimes right explaining why

781
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Speaker 13: they voted to take up the case or why they

782
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Speaker 13: wish the court would have heard in particular case. But

783
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Speaker 13: they're not required to do that, So if the Court

784
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Speaker 13: ultimately rejects this case, we won't know why they did that.

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Speaker 13: More likely than not. The other consideration that's worth taking

786
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Speaker 13: into account is something known as stary decisives. Now that's

787
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Speaker 13: a technical Latin term. It basically just means that once

788
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Speaker 13: the Court has decided an issue, typically the court doesn't

789
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Speaker 13: like to go back and revisit that issue. And we

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Speaker 13: saw this in a couple of the Chief Justices opinions

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Speaker 13: in recent years where he has said, although if he

792
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Speaker 13: was asked to decide the issue differently in the first instance,

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Speaker 13: even though he might have decided the issue different because

794
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Speaker 13: the Court has already decided the issue because of the

795
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Speaker 13: principles of stereodocisis that he would vote to reaffirm the

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Speaker 13: courts prior folding, even though he personally may not agree

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Speaker 13: with it. So that may be another dynamic that's at play.

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Speaker 13: But again we'll have to wait and see what happens.

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Speaker 2: But it's not unheard of for the Court to go

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Speaker 2: back and take a look at what it's done and said,

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Speaker 2: you know what, that doesn't work. Wouldn't that be the

802
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Speaker 2: argument regarding plus e versus Ferguson. Wouldn't that be the

803
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Speaker 2: argument regarding what we just saw with the Dobbs decision

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Speaker 2: that overturned Roe v. Wade. I mean, to the extent

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Speaker 2: of bad decisions, we can look at dred Scott, but

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Speaker 2: I don't know exactly where the overturning would take place

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Speaker 2: there in terms of how many court decisions happened to

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Speaker 2: eliminate that bad decision.

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Speaker 5: But the court's done it before. I only mentioned a

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Speaker 5: couple here.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, we did see that.

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Speaker 13: Most recently with roversus Wade and the Dobbs vision. Certainly,

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Speaker 13: the court can go back and overturn prior decisions. In fact,

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Speaker 13: several years ago, one of my colleagues and I we

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Speaker 13: wrote a paper called Scairy Decisives one on one outlined

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Speaker 13: in some previous instances where the Court has overturned prior precedent,

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Speaker 13: explaining some of the factors that the court typically takes

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Speaker 13: into account. You can find that on my heritage web

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Speaker 13: page Heritage dot org, or you can go to my

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Speaker 13: ex speed at TZ Smith that's at TG Smith to

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Speaker 13: read more about scary Decisives how that comes into play.

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Speaker 13: But you're certainly right, the Court has and should overturn

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Speaker 13: proud President when they're wrong. But that will certainly will

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Speaker 13: be a consideration of scary decisive factors will be a

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Speaker 13: consideration if the Court agrees to take up this issue.

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Speaker 2: Before I let you go, Zack Smith, Senior legal fellow

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Speaker 2: at the Heritage Foundation Heritage dot org. As we're discussing

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Speaker 2: scotis I want to discuss Justice Katanji Brown Jackson. I'm

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Speaker 2: not asking you for a conversation about anything regarding her personally,

831
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Speaker 2: but certainly her actions on the bench. This back and

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Speaker 2: forth with Amy Cony Barrett. Justice Barrett really a response

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Speaker 2: from Sonya sotomayor her fellow liberals saying I don't think

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Speaker 2: you understood this case properly. There is a conversation about

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Speaker 2: how she not only is ruling from the bench, but

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Speaker 2: how she is actually acting on the bench with a

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Speaker 2: series of questions and the utilization of the phrase I'm

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Speaker 2: having a hard time understanding. I'm trying to understand what

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Speaker 2: I don't understand. It happens a tremendous amount. I understand

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Speaker 2: where the political right is on this, for sure. I

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Speaker 2: understand where people hearing this might be like, Okay, what's

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Speaker 2: wrong with her? Is there anything being said from the court,

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Speaker 2: former clerks, etc. Regarding Kaitanji Brown Jackson? Or is the

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Speaker 2: Court on this subject still being very very silent.

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Speaker 13: The Court is being silent outside of their writings. Now

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Speaker 13: you reference kind of a back and forth you got

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Speaker 13: into with Justice Amy Cony Barrett. I think that exchange

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Speaker 13: in and of itself was very tell. And you know,

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Speaker 13: we're used to kind of the rough and tumble political

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Speaker 13: world where sharp barbs are not uncommon. That doesn't happen

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Speaker 13: very often at the Supreme Court in their writings, particularly

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Speaker 13: when one of the justices very personally rebukes another justice.

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Speaker 13: And what was telling about that exchange. Not only was

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Speaker 13: it Justice Amy Coney Barrett who used that very strong

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Speaker 13: by Supreme Court terms, a very pointed language rebuking Justice Jackson,

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Speaker 13: but you had many of the other justices also signing

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Speaker 13: on to an agree with that very pointed, very personal

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Speaker 13: rebuke by Justice Barrett of Justice Jackson.

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Speaker 2: And so I say that is.

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Speaker 13: Certainly a dynamic that's worth watching at the Court. There

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Speaker 13: may be some tension there among the justices. Justice Kkanji

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Speaker 13: Brown jack And certainly talks more than any other justice

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Speaker 13: at oral argument. She's one of the most prolific speakers,

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Speaker 13: one of the most prolific questions at oral argument. I

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Speaker 13: think a couple of times you see where either the

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Speaker 13: Chief Justice or as you mentioned, Justice Son or may

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Speaker 13: have apparently gotten a little irritated with Justice Jackson for

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Speaker 13: some of her ongoing questioning and commentary. So I think

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Speaker 13: that's certainly a dynamic that is worth watching. And the

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Speaker 13: last thing I'll say very quickly is that Justice Jackson's

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Speaker 13: view of her role as a Supreme Court justice, her

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Speaker 13: role a view of the role of judges in our society,

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Speaker 13: is a very troubling view because apparently she thinks it

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Speaker 13: is her role to be a roving commission of do gooders,

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Speaker 13: to impose her own policy preferences whenever that might employ

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Speaker 13: with the presidents or Congresses. And that is a very

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Speaker 13: dangerous view of how a Supreme Court justice, or a

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Speaker 13: federal judge, or any judge should discharge his or her.

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Speaker 2: Judas Zach Smith, Senior, a fellow at the Heritage Foundation

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Speaker 2: Heritage dot Org. I appreciate you taking the time to

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Speaker 2: be with us. More coming up.

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Speaker 5: I'm Tony Katz.

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Speaker 2: This is Tony Katz. Today.

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Speaker 17: Let's get right to what America is talking about. Donald

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Speaker 17: Trump makes himself Batman and the nation's capital is Gotham City.

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Speaker 4: The President of the.

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Speaker 17: United States has declared himself crime fighter in chief, and

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Speaker 17: he's taking over Washington's police force. It is a move

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Speaker 17: that the DC Mayor is calling unsettling and unprecedented.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what Muriel Bowser calls anything. How cool

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Speaker 2: is it that Abby Phillip of CNN is referring to

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump as Batman?

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Speaker 5: Because I've been told my entire life long, you.

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Speaker 2: Be you unless you can be Batman, in which case,

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Speaker 2: always be Batman. Tony Katz, Tony Katz Today, good to

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Speaker 2: be with you. Find everything at Tony kats dot com.

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Speaker 2: To understand CNN and the market that they're going for,

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Speaker 2: well I can't.

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Speaker 5: I can't figure out what they're all about.

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Speaker 2: And considering that the only show that gets any viewership

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Speaker 2: is this one, which I should say, I don't even

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Speaker 2: know if it's viewership as much as I would say

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Speaker 2: as it gets replay because of Scott Jennings. Is this

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Speaker 2: Abby Phillip show where she has time and again and

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Speaker 2: again proven herself to be someone who doesn't.

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Speaker 5: Care about the show.

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Speaker 2: She has all the opportunity on CNN to have the

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Speaker 2: show that raises the debate, that engages properly, and maybe

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Speaker 2: we'd be interested in it because it gives multiple sides

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Speaker 2: and people engaged in thought. Nope, Abby Philip doesn't want that.

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Speaker 2: She doesn't want that. And here's the proof. This is

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Speaker 2: what took place on the show last night, where you

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Speaker 2: have Scott pushing back on this, this maddening proposition that

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Speaker 2: everything Trump has done to try and stop wars and

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Speaker 2: negotiating was it a deal in the Congo and that

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Speaker 2: the deal between Armenia and Azerbaijan none of that matters.

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Speaker 2: Scott Jennings begins the conversation. Tara Setmeyer then goes in

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Speaker 2: for some kind of weirdo dunk pseudo intellectual play on

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Speaker 2: words sophistry.

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Speaker 12: Listen, the president has solved like seven conflicts this year.

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Speaker 12: I'm willing to give him some latitude to talk of

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Speaker 12: Vladimir Putin and break the deadlock and try to move

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Speaker 12: us toward a place where the killing comes to an end,

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Speaker 12: because I think that's what we should all.

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Speaker 2: Be praying for.

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Speaker 18: He actually hasn't solved seven conflicts. There's been a lot

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Speaker 18: of talk about that.

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Speaker 2: What reality do you live in?

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Speaker 19: He's literally gotten these guys in the White House where

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Speaker 19: there's signing documents and shaking hands, signing acknowledge the man

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Speaker 19: is solving India.

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Speaker 18: Question about whether that was actually heads Almost a weekly

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Speaker 18: basic all the time, and I will also be done

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Speaker 18: with that.

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump, we on this seems to.

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Speaker 18: Have an affinity for blah, why we're putent in a way.

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Speaker 5: No, you're not gonna get away with calling you er.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 4: You're not lying.

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Speaker 2: You're lying.

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Speaker 4: Nobody's lying about anything.

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Speaker 2: Now to Scott Jennings credit, he doesn't even look at her.

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Speaker 2: He's looking right in the camera. He's talking to us.

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Speaker 2: This affinity for Trump thing is nonsense. I'm sorry, this

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Speaker 2: Trump affinity for Putin thing is nonsense.

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Speaker 5: But let's go back to the first part.

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Speaker 2: There have been a number of peace deals that have

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Speaker 2: come through under Trump's watch that didn't come through under

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden's watch.

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Speaker 5: That much is true.

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Speaker 2: Does the deal guarantee that everything's going to be perfect?

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Speaker 2: Of course not, and that would be the rational thing

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Speaker 2: to say. Yes, President Trump has gotten people to come

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Speaker 2: to the table. Now let's see the results there. My gosh,

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Speaker 2: I hope it works. But let's see if it was

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Speaker 2: all talk or not. Now you can argue that that's

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Speaker 2: a dig, but it's also more honest. But this idea

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Speaker 2: that somehow it hasn't happened, and that all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: Trump has an.

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Speaker 5: Affinity for for Putin, and Scott.

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Speaker 2: Jennings is like, you're a liar, and she is just

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Speaker 2: outraged by being called a liar. And here comes Abby Phillip,

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Speaker 2: the host of the show, not to say, wait a second,

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Speaker 2: you can't say that about Trump. Wait a second, he

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Speaker 2: did bring about these deals. Now, what's your statement? Like

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Speaker 2: setting some clarity in a tone for the show, She

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Speaker 2: gets into a well, both of you are talking, and

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Speaker 2: I don't know what her point is, whether.

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Speaker 18: There were actually solved by Donald Trump and whether it

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Speaker 18: was popping circumstance anyway, Donald Trump's affinity for for Vladimir

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Speaker 18: Putin versus the way he treats Zelenski, who.

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Speaker 19: Is the saying things that do not exist in reality.

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Speaker 19: That is, and I just got NATO to do one

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Speaker 19: hundreds of million of dollars a lethal weapons to Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: Russia needs this.

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Speaker 17: It's quint Donald Trump to just let her finish so

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Speaker 17: I can even understand what point she's trying to make.

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Speaker 2: Everybody understands the point she's trying to make. Scott Jennings

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Speaker 2: is completely accurate. This idea of affinity for Putin is

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Speaker 2: a lie. It's the continued lie based on the Russia

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Speaker 2: Russia Russia lie that we all know is a lie.

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Speaker 2: And the Barack Obama White House and former FBI director

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Speaker 2: James Comy and former CIA director John Brennan and former

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Speaker 2: d n I James Clapper and Andrew McCabe who's employed

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Speaker 2: by CNN all participated in the lie and the cover

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Speaker 2: up of the Russia Russia, Russia story. And I'm glad

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Speaker 2: to see that Adam Schiff, the Now Center from California

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Speaker 2: is taking heat because that guy is a liar and

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Speaker 2: a fraud, a liar and a fraud. My gosh, Abby,

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Speaker 2: what are you doing? What did you need to hear

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Speaker 2: from her? You just needed her to go out there

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Speaker 2: and talk about how Trump is just this terrible Putin lover.

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Speaker 18: Okay, so we all have seen how Donald Trump has

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Speaker 18: been very has an affinity for Vladimir Putin. We have

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Speaker 18: seen the pattern for years and only recently because he

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Speaker 18: hasn't been able to solve the crisis in twenty four hours,

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Speaker 18: because Putin has been playing him from day one. He's

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Speaker 18: been a useful idiot for Russia for years, and now

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Speaker 18: because it's in ease, they're trying to change the subject.

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Speaker 2: Continue Scott Jennings is literally signing into the camera and

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Speaker 2: looking up in the sky as if asking the Lord

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Speaker 2: for strength. This useful idiot thing is something else and

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Speaker 2: something special. If you were to say to me that

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Speaker 2: if Trump really thought he could end things between Ukraine

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Speaker 2: and Russia in a day, well then he was sorely mistaken.

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Speaker 2: That's foolish if you think that he's being played by

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Speaker 2: the Russians. I don't think you understand Trump. For the

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Speaker 2: people who support Trump, they understand that he tries something

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Speaker 2: and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. When it doesn't, okay,

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Speaker 2: now you suffer. That's where the sanctions come in, hopefully

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Speaker 2: putting pressure to be able to get to the next

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Speaker 2: part of our next opportunity to get a deal. That's

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Speaker 2: what we're seeing with this meeting in Alaska between Trump

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Speaker 2: and Putin.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if it's going to bring a deal

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Speaker 5: or not. I don't think Trump knows if it's going.

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Speaker 2: To bring a deal or not. And I think that

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Speaker 2: Major Mike Lyons, retired United States Army military analyst, said

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Speaker 2: it very well in the show yesterday that the getting

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Speaker 2: Putin off of his place is very difficult because Putin believes.

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Speaker 5: He can wait this out. He believes he can wait

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Speaker 5: out Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: And wait out NATO. He'll get Land. He'll get it,

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Speaker 2: He'll get the done boss, he will get it. Ukraine

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Speaker 2: can't last for forever. But the idea being played, what

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Speaker 2: got played? What got played? This is Scott Jennings point

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Speaker 2: with facts, the sanctions that are in place, the selling

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Speaker 2: of hardware to Ukraine, what got played? No part of

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Speaker 2: that is true, but it never stops the leapt from

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Speaker 2: engaging a good narrative. And that's what Tara set Meyer

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Speaker 2: is doing. Enter Ben Ferguson, Okay, okay, about.

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Speaker 4: Same standards, not even go there?

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Speaker 5: Is this the kind of show you want to watch?

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Speaker 2: And I've already heard you say, Tony, I can't believe

1035
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Speaker 2: you subjected to me already. This is about Abby Phillip.

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Speaker 2: Why do you want this show? Why do you want this?

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Speaker 2: Why would you ever want this when you could have

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Speaker 2: had better? I didn't say Tara set Meyer can't engage

1039
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Speaker 2: in this in a dislike of Trump and thought her

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Speaker 2: own thoughts on a Trump rush a meeting, but flat

1041
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Speaker 2: out lying, pushing talking points not facts. Why would you

1042
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Speaker 2: allow it? Now? As a host, sometimes you miss things.

1043
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Speaker 2: You are getting ready for what's next year, kind of

1044
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Speaker 2: seeing how things flow and go. You can miss things.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you let people say something because you let them

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Speaker 2: complete the thought and let others judge what got said.

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Speaker 2: But when you know that it's nothing more than talking point, pablom,

1048
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Speaker 2: why are you doing it? Why the crowd of the

1049
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Speaker 2: cross talk, Why the shouting over, Why the whole thing?

1050
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Speaker 5: And it doesn't end.

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Speaker 17: Part of the part that she's making is that Trumpet,

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Speaker 17: first all, he needs to resolve this because he said

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Speaker 17: when he was running for president that he would resolve.

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Speaker 4: It in twenty four hours.

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Speaker 5: That clearly has not happened.

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Speaker 17: But he wants to be a peacemaker. He wants to

1057
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Speaker 17: be peacemaker in the situation. He wants the noble piece

1058
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Speaker 17: bribes that whole thing. And this has been elusive because

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Speaker 17: largely because Vladimir Putin is not.

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Speaker 5: That interested in the deal.

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Speaker 17: He's not so, I mean, is Trump going into this

1062
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Speaker 17: a little bit naive thinking that Putin is actually ready

1063
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Speaker 17: to deal with really wants now?

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Speaker 2: Abby Phillip didn't calm everybody down and go into asking

1065
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Speaker 2: a question. She stopped the guys on the political right

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Speaker 2: from talking and then rephrase Tara set Meyer's question to

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Speaker 2: ask it in a different way, as if somehow it

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Speaker 2: had validity to begin with. As a host, you choose

1069
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Speaker 2: the show you want, and the actions over time set

1070
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Speaker 2: a story about the kind of hosts that you are.

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Speaker 2: Abby Philip could have had any show she wanted, She

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Speaker 2: could have had the smarter, better show, and she blew it.

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Speaker 2: She blew it. She didn't have to, she did not

1074
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Speaker 2: have to screw this up, but she did. I'm sorry,

1075
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Speaker 2: I won't play anymore. I apologize for sharing that much.

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Speaker 2: It's completely unwatchable from the actual lies told to the

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Speaker 2: really ugly I'm gonna utilize fraudulent way. Subjects are brought

1078
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Speaker 2: up to the host taking one side and one side

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Speaker 2: only and preventing others from speaking. My god, what could

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Speaker 2: have been? What could have been? This is CNN's decision,

1081
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Speaker 2: and it explains their ratings disaster.

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Speaker 5: Keep it here. I'm Tony Katz, and this is Tony

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Speaker 5: Katz today.

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Speaker 2: It is indeed very weird for me to be sharing

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Speaker 2: a story from John Oliver because John Oliver has been

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Speaker 2: wrong about so much. Hey, he's been interesting on a

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Speaker 2: couple of things, but he decided more politically he might

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Speaker 2: not be Philip Right, more political than rational. Instead of

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Speaker 2: engaging a story, he engaged in ideology and that's never interesting.

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Speaker 5: Tony Katz Tony Kats Today good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: But on his show he brought up a story about

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Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer that I don't think anybody knows about.

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Speaker 5: I didn't know about. This is unbelievable.

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Speaker 20: There are a couple that throughout Schumer's Korea he has

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Speaker 20: talked about a lot.

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Speaker 21: They're a middle class couple in Massapequa, which is a

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Speaker 21: suburb on Long Island.

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Speaker 2: Joe and Eileen Bailey.

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Speaker 21: This middle class couple they brought into Reagan Republicanism in

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Speaker 21: nineteen eighty. Joe and Eileen are worried about losing their

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Speaker 21: jobs or their friends jobs, so.

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Speaker 5: That Baileys really don't believe in trickle down.

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Speaker 21: They don't believe in a whole lot of government spending,

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Speaker 21: but they believe in tax breaks for kids to go

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Speaker 21: to college. He's an insurance adjuster and lives in the

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Speaker 21: New York Subjebs. By New York standards, he makes fifty

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Speaker 21: thousand years if he lived in the middle of the

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Speaker 21: country to make forty. Wife works in a medical office.

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Speaker 21: She makes about twenty. She might make fifteen elsewhere. And

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Speaker 21: you know, I have guided my political life through the baileys.

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Speaker 20: The bailies have guided Chuck Schumer's political life, which is

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Speaker 20: a little way given they don't exist. Seriously, he invented them.

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Speaker 20: Schumer first introduced the world to the bailies in his

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Speaker 20: two thousand and seven book Positively American Winning Back the

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Speaker 20: Middle Class Majority, One family at a Time, and it's

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Speaker 20: He mentions the bailies and astonishing two hundred and sixty

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Speaker 20: five times in two hundred and sixty four pages.

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Speaker 2: Oh my, So this was the concept of like rhetorical

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Speaker 2: rhetorical flourish or or the idea of utilizing them as

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Speaker 2: an example or of a concept or an idea. He

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Speaker 2: invented the family, by the way, two hundred and sixty

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Speaker 2: five times in two hundred and sixty four pages.

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Speaker 5: That's an amazing statistic. Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 2: Now you would argue that that's what is that Is

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Speaker 2: that plagiarism? No, it's not play. Is is it make believe? Yes,

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Speaker 2: it's make believe. It's saying I always have an answer

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Speaker 2: for whatever it is the political right throws at me.

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Speaker 2: In many ways, you would see this in scripts and

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Speaker 2: movie making, where you could take three or four smaller characters,

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Speaker 2: but you can't introduce that many characters, so you put

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Speaker 2: them all into one character. There's nothing more than an

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Speaker 2: amalgamation of others. Isn't that what happened with Barack Obama's book?

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Speaker 2: By the way, it wasn't that his.

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Speaker 5: Book that he did that.

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Speaker 2: This is incredible, absolutely incredible story that he made this,

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Speaker 2: He made this up. What else could you ever possibly

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Speaker 2: believe from Chuck Schumer?

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Speaker 20: But he'd have parready been talking about them for years

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Speaker 20: before the book was published. One of his formost fokespeople said,

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Speaker 20: he's always asking what would the Baileies think? And to

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Speaker 20: be fair, Schumer acknowledges that some may find this a

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Speaker 20: little weird.

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Speaker 21: If you ask my staff, I've been talking about the

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Speaker 21: talking to the Baileies for fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: I have conversations with them.

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Speaker 21: One of my staffers once said, I had imaginary friends

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Speaker 21: to the press.

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Speaker 2: Got me in some trouble.

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Speaker 21: But these people are real and I respect them and

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Speaker 21: I really.

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Speaker 2: Love them and I care about them.

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Speaker 5: Okay, sure, but it's literally not real.

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Speaker 1: Job.

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Speaker 2: That's incredible, that's incredible. Now here's the question. You're the

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Speaker 2: Democratic Party is is he still the Senate majority leader?

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Speaker 2: Is he still the Senate Majority leader?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Or no?

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Speaker 5: That's the question.

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Speaker 2: Because I'm if I'm Alexandria Cassio Cortes, this is Christmas Day,

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Speaker 2: i am announcing I'm running for Senate.

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Speaker 5: Immediately, and I am I am winning. I am taking

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Speaker 5: him down.

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Speaker 2: It's over. By the way, I give kudos in respect

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Speaker 2: where it's due, kudos to John Oliver. This is where

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Speaker 2: he's at his absolute best. Are you telling me there's

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Speaker 2: not a Republican who wasn't able to do this opposition

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Speaker 2: research to find out this wasn't real? Not a single

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Speaker 2: Republican did this. That is the scandal. Time to fire

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Speaker 2: some so called Republicans in the oppo research game. Keep

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Speaker 2: it here.

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Speaker 22: It's Tony Katz today, lie from val Hartberd and the

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Speaker 22: Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 5: It's Tony Katz today. Legitimate.

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Speaker 23: But the conclusion that people draw is I think off base. Look,

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Speaker 23: I am supporting President Biden and Vice President Harris because

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Speaker 23: of what they've gotten accomplished.

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of old fashioned that way.

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Speaker 23: I like to see people, you know, as I said,

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Speaker 23: tackle big problems, bring people together and try to Forge Solutions.

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Speaker 23: And I don't know about anybody else, but I'm kind

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Speaker 23: of happy that we're fixing our bridges and our roads

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Speaker 23: and the rest of our infrastructure. And I'm thrilled that

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Speaker 23: we are going to compete with China on advanced manufacturing,

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Speaker 23: and that we're going to make the transition to clean

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Speaker 23: energy as quickly as we possibly can, plus bring down

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Speaker 23: drug prices.

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Speaker 5: And I could go on and.

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Speaker 2: On, but you don't have to, Hillary. Nobody wants to

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Speaker 2: hear you go on and on and on and on

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Speaker 2: unless you're going on and on to jail.

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Speaker 5: No too soon. Oh come on, it was right there.

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Find everything at Tony Katz dot com if you would,

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Speaker 2: Get your tickets today. So that was Hillary Clinton back

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Speaker 2: in the in the day. You know, Biden's fine. I'm

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Speaker 2: happy to be voting for Biden. Look at all these

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Speaker 2: great things Biden's doing well. There's a story from Fox.

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Speaker 2: Biden means President Biden. You know, he was President of

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Speaker 2: the United States, or at least he was the guy

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Speaker 2: who was sitting in the Oval office. I don't know

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Speaker 2: who was actually what in the country the last two

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Speaker 2: or three years. I'd say he was doing it the

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Speaker 2: first year not well, but he was doing after that.

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Speaker 5: No, I personally don't believe he was unearthed.

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Speaker 2: Emails according to Fox, as part of a Foyer Request

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Speaker 2: Freedom of Information Act request by Protect the Public's Trust

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Speaker 2: says that Biden was set to visit a national security

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Speaker 2: multi mission vessel while on tour touring a Philadelphia shipyard.

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Speaker 2: This is July twenty twenty three. According to the emails,

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Speaker 2: the visit was scrapped because of quote how many steps

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Speaker 2: were involved to get on the ship. So you had

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Speaker 2: the Maritime Administration. The US Maritime Administration engaged in a

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Speaker 2: project at the Philadelphia shipyard at the time Biden was

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Speaker 2: planned to visit. This was about offshore wind and clean

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Speaker 2: energy jobs. Oh holy hell. They emailed members of the

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Speaker 2: Office of Secure Transportation within the Department of Transportation basically

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Speaker 2: and said that no visit is planned. After the White

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Speaker 2: House realized how many steps were involved to get on

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Speaker 2: the ship. True, lots of steps on grading translation, Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden was not physically capable of walking either the amount

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Speaker 2: of steps or on the type of grating that might

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Speaker 2: keep him off balance. Now, you and I would that

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Speaker 2: if you were walking on grating or something else, you

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Speaker 2: might get off balance. It's possible for you to lose

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Speaker 2: your balance a little bit. Absolutely, for the case of

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden, it is now a question of whether or

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Speaker 2: not he was able to walk it at all. It

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Speaker 2: was kringe. John Pierre after the event was asked about

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Speaker 2: Biden's age, and she said, Look, we've been asked this

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Speaker 2: question multiple times, and you have a president who I

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Speaker 2: just went through his Unity agenda. What we've been able

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Speaker 2: to do in a bipartison way as it relates to

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Speaker 2: issues that really matter to the American people, right the

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Speaker 2: cancer moonshot, which is actually going to make a difference

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Speaker 2: with people and family Americans who have family members dealing

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Speaker 2: with cancer. That is something that this president has been

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Speaker 2: able to do. Uh, you didn't answer the question. That's

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Speaker 2: by the way, you forget how bad criing John Pierre was.

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Speaker 2: That's how she used to answer questions. Ah, she was

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Speaker 2: just terrible, terrible. You'll notice she doesn't have a game

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Speaker 2: right now. I know she wrote some focopta book. I

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Speaker 2: only hope it didn't sell.

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Speaker 5: She was a fool.

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Speaker 2: She was incapable of doing the job. She didn't answer

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Speaker 2: any questions. She didn't know how to answer a question.

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Speaker 2: She had the massive binder, and I don't mind somebody

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Speaker 2: having notes, but she had read directly from it. She

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Speaker 2: couldn't do anything on the fly. Not a bright woman, Tony.

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Speaker 2: You can't say that because she's black.

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Speaker 5: Why.

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Speaker 2: I have seen a lot of white incompetent women. I've

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Speaker 2: met a lot of white women dumb as a stump.

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Speaker 2: I met white women smart as can be, and I

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Speaker 2: have met black women who are not bright. And I've

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Speaker 2: met black women who are as smart as can be.

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Speaker 2: They are two sides to the bell curve. Because I

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Speaker 2: can say the same thing about men, smart and dopey,

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Speaker 2: smart and dumb, smart and ignorant, smart and a fool,

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Speaker 2: White men, Black men, Asian men, Hispanic men, two sides

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Speaker 2: to the bell curve. Someone could call me a racist

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Speaker 2: if they want, but they can also kiss my stuff.

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Speaker 2: It's not said how it said, did I just create

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Speaker 2: a new thing by saying that? That doesn't matter? These people,

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Speaker 2: they don't get to decide what we talk about. Let's

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Speaker 2: remember that. But Biden couldn't do it. Biden couldn't make

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Speaker 2: the walk, couldn't make the walk. If Joe Biden walked

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Speaker 2: with a cane, you know what America would say, Okay,

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Speaker 2: if Donald Trump walked with a cane. Of course, the

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Speaker 2: left would become you know, they become apoplectic, they'd lose

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Speaker 2: their mind, they'd hyperventilate. But rational Americans be like, that's fine.

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Speaker 2: I don't think America would be turned off by a cane.

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Speaker 2: We like the idea of our president being fit and capable,

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Speaker 2: but we would not be turned off by some of

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Speaker 2: these things. If if the president walked with a cane,

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Speaker 2: I think we'd be totally okay with it. I don't

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Speaker 2: think this is a case of the grating. This is

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Speaker 2: about the fact that Joe Biden can't do the steps,

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Speaker 2: that it's all just too much for him because we

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Speaker 2: don't take it in the silo. Even my conversation right

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Speaker 2: there regarding a cane, we're taking that in the silo. Okay,

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Speaker 2: maybe they have a problem with their leg maybe have

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Speaker 2: a n problem and an't a problem. You'd put something

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Speaker 2: together with Biden. It doesn't exist in a silo. It

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Speaker 2: exists with all the other things. He was never up

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Speaker 2: to the task, and everybody associated with that administration lied.

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris lied, the Attorney general line, the secretary of

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Speaker 2: that was Mark Garland, the Secretary of Defense when he

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Speaker 2: was actually on the job in not a wall lied.

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Speaker 2: The cabinet lied, including that smarmy, low class Pete Buddha. Judge.

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Speaker 2: Trump is taking over DC and trying to make it

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Speaker 2: safe because he's in the Epstein files. He doesn't want

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Speaker 2: everyone to see it. Okay, that's fantastic. My god, you're

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01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 2: a fool and the beard is fooling no one. You're

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01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 2: still a beta. The whole cabinet knew. Ron Klain, that

1300
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:07,759
Speaker 2: despicable fraud, knew Anthony Bernall, Anita Dunn. They all knew

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01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 2: because they were running the country. Because somebody was running

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01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 2: the country. And until I know who, I'm gonna keep

1303
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 2: naming their names because it's my belief it was them,

1304
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 2: not the President of the United States, but a cabal,

1305
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 2: a coup against the United States. This is just more

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01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 2: proof of it. I don't think this was a conversation

1307
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 2: of hey, maybe the floor that he was walking on

1308
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 2: would be two uneven. No, the whole thing would simply

1309
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:40,640
Speaker 2: make him incapable of doing the job. That's the story.

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01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 2: That's the story. The guy literally could not walk, and

1311
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 2: you come at the same time. You were never crazy,

1312
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 2: you were never ridiculous. These people lied to you, and

1313
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 2: they will continue to lie to you because then, as now,

1314
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:02,679
Speaker 2: they hate you. They hate you for not going along

1315
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:06,760
Speaker 2: with their charade, with their facade, with their hatred. They

1316
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 2: hate you for not dumbing yourself down and buying in,

1317
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 2: and they'll never forgive you. They will hate you if

1318
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 2: you vote for them. They will hate you if you don't.

1319
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 2: They just hate you. A reminder that election day is No.

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01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty sixth, and none of these progressives deserve election.

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01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 2: This is Tony Katz today. So I have long made

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01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:37,799
Speaker 2: the argument that the political left under this new regime,

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01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:43,760
Speaker 2: one could call it, under this new regime, they are

1324
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 2: not Democrats.

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Speaker 5: Tony Katz.

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz today, I'm not saying anything out of school here.

1327
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 2: I'm not saying anything you didn't already know. These progressives

1328
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 2: are something wholly different, and they are far more aligned

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01:20:56,600 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 2: with the Marxists. With Marxism, they believe the destruction of

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01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 2: Western civilization. They believe in the destruction of the family

1331
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 2: without question. They don't believe you should have control of

1332
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 2: your kids. They believe they should have control of your kids.

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01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 2: I would say this anywhere, anytime, to anyone. Not an

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01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 2: ounce of hesitation would go into that, not an ounce

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01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 2: to follow up on this, I bring you a story

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01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 2: about the Holocaust. I know what you're going to say, Tony. Honestly,

1337
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 2: could we just not have a day with anti Semitism.

1338
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 2: It's not that we don't think it's real. It's just,

1339
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 2: my gosh, it's consonants all the time. It's all over

1340
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 2: every radio show, every newsfeed. It's just enough already, allow me,

1341
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 2: trust me enough to give me thirty seconds that will

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01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 2: then have you saying, okay, tell me more. This is

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01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 2: the blog of joe An Japs. Joanne Jacobs does a

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01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 2: series of things columnists UH and UH. A freelance writer,

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01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 2: does a lot regarding education and a host of other subjects.

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01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 2: This is her post, Teach the Holocaust without mentioning Jews,

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01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 2: says Anya, Now you know that the NEA stands for

1348
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 2: the National Education Association. And you know that I have

1349
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 2: shared things about the NEA and specifically its leader, Becky.

1350
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:46,680
Speaker 5: Pringle, Rebecca Pringle, when she lost.

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01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 2: Her mind at that event, that any a event where

1352
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 2: she's screaming about DEI. We cannot fear.

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01:22:55,840 --> 01:23:02,560
Speaker 24: The future, dibversity, equity, and include can say the words,

1354
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:05,839
Speaker 24: say the words, say them.

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01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 2: You are powerful. You are the dad high head, hide

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01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:15,639
Speaker 2: heady end.

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01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 24: Freedom, freedom up osorm lead.

1358
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 2: I wouldn't let her near my kids. I wouldn't let

1359
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 2: that is the kind of person you see on the

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01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:35,599
Speaker 2: street and you take your family, You're like, Okay, let's cross,

1361
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 2: let's walk over here. You know, somebody should really call

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01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 2: the authorities. That's crazy. Becky Pringle is not qualified to

1363
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 2: teach my kids. Becky Pringle is not qualified to teach

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01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 2: your kids. She's not qualified to be near kids. That's

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01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 2: a crazy woman. This is the NEA that now wants

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01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:59,759
Speaker 2: to teach the Holocaust without mentioning Jews. The National Education

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01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 2: of Association Handbook calls for recognizing more than twelve million

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01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 2: victims of the Holocaust from different faiths, ethnicities, races, political beliefs, genders,

1369
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 2: gender identification, abilities and disabilities and other targeted characteristics. That's

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01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 2: the story. That's the story. The reporting goes to a

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01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:26,799
Speaker 2: lot of Goodman over the Washington Free Beacon. The handbook

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01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 2: calls for educating students about the Palestinian Nakba, which means catastrophe.

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01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:33,600
Speaker 5: The quote forced.

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01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 2: Violent displacement and dispossession of at least sven hundred and

1375
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 2: fifty thousand Palestinians from their homeland in nineteen forty eight

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01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:42,080
Speaker 2: during the establishment of the State of Israel. Is there

1377
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 2: any other question one has to ask about the bigotry

1378
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 2: of this group, And they're going to want to claim

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01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:52,799
Speaker 2: that it's anti Zionism, not anti Semitism. I'm a Zionist

1380
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 2: and I don't apologize for a holy damn thing. Of

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01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:00,760
Speaker 2: course it's anti Semitism. You cannot teach it's a Holocaust

1382
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 2: without saying Jews. Jews are the reason. That was the objective.

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01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 2: The other people were just a bonus. And I don't

1384
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 2: say we should forget about the other people, Gays, Gypsies, disabled,

1385
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 2: anybody who got in the way, all murdered by the

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01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 2: Nazi regime. But the purpose, the final solution, was about

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01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:30,639
Speaker 2: eliminating the Jews. And if there is a conversation taking

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01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:34,920
Speaker 2: place that does not involve this, then there is not

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01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 2: an honest conversation taking place, because there's not. There's no

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01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 2: honesty here. There is only the bigotry here of our

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01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:48,639
Speaker 2: education system, and it must be broken. The Anya must lose,

1392
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 2: They must be destroyed, no actual piece of it left. Oh,

1393
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:56,919
Speaker 2: let them cry, let them complain, and let them catterwall,

1394
01:25:57,080 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 2: screw them. These people aren't good for our kids ds.

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01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 2: Theyre not good for anybody. They're not good neighbors, they're

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01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 2: not decent people. They need to be humiliated. And the

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01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 2: story of the NEA and the outright bigotry needs to

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01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 2: be passed down from generation to generations. So no union ever,

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01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:15,400
Speaker 2: things have coming close to the extent that there's ever

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01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 2: a union in education. Again, these people need to lose.

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01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 2: They're the lowest of the low. On the same page

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01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 2: as this stuff about the Knakba, which is supporting of terrorism,

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01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 2: the NEA outlines as another priority the task of teaching

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01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 2: its members that anti Zionism is not anti Semitism. Of

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01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 2: course it is, period and we've seen it now everywhere.

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01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:48,920
Speaker 2: Teaching the Holocaust without discussing Jesus as an impossibility. But

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01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:53,560
Speaker 2: if you're a believer in Howard Zinn bullcrap. You'll do anything,

1408
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 2: including rewriting history. So how did we start this conversation?

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01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 2: We started this conversation by saying the Marxists have taken

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01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 2: over Marxism like Communism, one and the same. We can

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01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:13,240
Speaker 2: argue for the sake of this conversation is predicated on

1412
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 2: the lie. Everything is a lie, all the time. Lying.

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01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 2: Lying is how it works. We were never at war

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01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 2: with East Asia. We have always been at war with

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01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 2: East Asia.

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01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 5: That's Communism. That's what it is.

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01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 2: Everything about it a lie, a fraud, a manipulation. And you,

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01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 2: as the subject of this horror show, are at every

1419
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:47,519
Speaker 2: moment unaware of whether or not you're on the right

1420
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 2: side or on the wrong side, whether you are on

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01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 2: the side of the quote unquote good or you end

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01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:55,960
Speaker 2: up in the gulag. There is no way to know.

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01:27:56,560 --> 01:28:00,840
Speaker 2: That is part of its purpose. You create this instability,

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01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 2: and then you create a society where everybody is spying

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01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 2: on everybody, knarcing on everybody, accusing everybody, and that way

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01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 2: nobody actually is able to get together, to share our thoughts,

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01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:17,160
Speaker 2: to be able to defeat this evil, horrific menace. Where

1428
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 2: else to do this best. But in the schools, you

1429
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 2: were right to homeschool your kids. You were right to

1430
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:29,760
Speaker 2: charter school for your kids. You were right to go

1431
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 2: to the school board meetings and fight back against these disgusting,

1432
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:39,879
Speaker 2: awful people. And if you haven't yet and you start today,

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01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 2: you're still right. There's no such thing as too late

1434
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 2: to this fight. And it is indeed a fight. Look

1435
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 2: at who they are, look at what they want to do,

1436
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 2: erase what the Holocaust was, and then continue down a

1437
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 2: road of Israel bad. Look what happened to the Palestinians.

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01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:06,800
Speaker 2: No mention that the Palestinians voted for a terrorist organization.

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01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:10,599
Speaker 2: No mention that the Palestinians were part of the Second

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01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 2: Wave in October seventh, engaging in the killing and the

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01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 2: brutality of women and children. No mention of the Palestinians

1442
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:24,400
Speaker 2: who cheer when Israeli hostages are paraded through the streets.

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01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 2: And if it wasn't actually for a Moossus ensuring that

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01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:30,719
Speaker 2: the hostage they've been holding got to the Red Cross

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01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 2: so they could cross the border, those Palestinians would kill

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01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 2: those hostages.

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01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:40,720
Speaker 5: No discussions of any of that.

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01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:44,839
Speaker 2: These people aren't interested in teaching about history they're interested

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01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:48,599
Speaker 2: in creating a construct of history. Here's what we want

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01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:51,679
Speaker 2: you to know. Here's what works best for our regime.

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01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 2: And our regime is not about education. Our regime is

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01:29:56,400 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 2: about indoctrination. It is about hate. Is a bigoted organization

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01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 2: with its leadership advocating openly for the bigotry. Anybody who's

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01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 2: a member of the NEA and good standing and is

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01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:14,720
Speaker 2: proud to be should be ashamed of themselves. Valueless Is

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01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 2: this organization you in your fight for a better education

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01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 2: for your kids?

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01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 5: Not valueless?

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01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 2: You have been doing the hard work. You have been

1460
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:27,639
Speaker 2: doing the good work. You have been doing the important work.

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01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 2: Keep doing it, Keep doing that work. Because we can't

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01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:38,160
Speaker 2: allow these unions to stand. And while I like the

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01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:42,559
Speaker 2: federal takeover of DC and all that jazz, this is

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01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 2: where it's at. The unions must be broken. They must

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01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 2: lose on every level and in every way. They must lose,

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01:30:56,920 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 2: because if they don't, we're gonna lose our case to

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01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 2: these vicious, vicious animals who believe in rewriting history.

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01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:10,280
Speaker 5: And it starts with the Jews.

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01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:13,760
Speaker 2: And then it'll end up with the elimination of you.

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01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:21,960
Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz, and this is Tony Katz today.

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01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:26,720
Speaker 13: So, mister Terry General, you're a critical of the move now,

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01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:28,760
Speaker 13: you were so yesterday on social media as well.

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01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:31,479
Speaker 15: Is there a legal steps you're considering here to try

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01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:32,559
Speaker 15: to block this effort.

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01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:37,760
Speaker 25: I'm very concerned about the law of the country, the

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01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 25: Home Rule Act and the DC Charter being complied with.

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01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:41,880
Speaker 25: Is your lead in indicated?

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01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:43,280
Speaker 2: This is an.

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01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:45,799
Speaker 25: Unprecedented step taken by the President of the United States.

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01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 25: In more than fifty years of home rule in the

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01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:51,639
Speaker 25: District of Columbia, this provision of the Home Rule Charter

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01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:55,960
Speaker 25: has never been invoked by a president. There are limited

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01:31:56,240 --> 01:31:58,559
Speaker 25: authorities of the president in the Home Rule Act. They

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01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:02,160
Speaker 25: are limited by circumstance. Answer, there must be special circumstances

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01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 25: of an emergency.

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01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:08,559
Speaker 2: The president decides the emergency, because Congress is the one

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01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:11,720
Speaker 2: that created DC to begin with, You don't get to decide.

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01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:15,640
Speaker 2: You might be the Attorney General of Washington, d C.

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01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:19,479
Speaker 2: His name is Brian Schwab. But be clear, the President

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01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:22,760
Speaker 2: is well within his authority. There is nobody of an

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01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:29,440
Speaker 2: honest medal making a counter argument anywhere. And the emergency

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01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 2: is that the place is completely unsafe, which, by the way,

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01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:39,760
Speaker 2: a tremendous number of big cities are unsafe. And this

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01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:42,320
Speaker 2: is why I think this is so important. Tony Katz,

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01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:44,840
Speaker 2: Tony Katz today, good to be with you. I've made

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01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:48,680
Speaker 2: this argument, and I've seen some other people say, you

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01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 2: know what, go ahead, take over DC, but we don't

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01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:56,599
Speaker 2: care about DC. DC doesn't mean anything to us. Why

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01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:59,320
Speaker 2: do you want us to care what happens. I think

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01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:02,920
Speaker 2: that we're making a real mistake here, and the real

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01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:06,960
Speaker 2: mistake here is that this is about sending a signal

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01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 2: to red states about what's going on in their blue

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01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:14,160
Speaker 2: state capitals or in their blue city capitals and blue

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01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:18,519
Speaker 2: cities in general. These places aren't safe. More and more

1505
01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 2: people coming out, Yeah, I've been tacted. Yea, I've dealt

1506
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:21,880
Speaker 2: with this. Yeah, I've seen that. I mean, it just

1507
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:24,400
Speaker 2: is what it is. That's not the story I wanted

1508
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:27,200
Speaker 2: to get into. I just that clip is just so

1509
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:31,880
Speaker 2: absolutely fantastic. This is the way the good people over

1510
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 2: at MSNBC see the argument, and they don't see it

1511
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:38,720
Speaker 2: with any level. I talk about people's metal, that's what

1512
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 2: I mean. They don't have it. They don't have a

1513
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:44,000
Speaker 2: rational argument here. The question is how did it get

1514
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:46,679
Speaker 2: so bad? What's leading to the problems in the cities.

1515
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 2: And if you want to argue that crime is down

1516
01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:54,240
Speaker 2: down from what if we went from one hundred crimes

1517
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:56,040
Speaker 2: committed in these cities have way more than one hundred

1518
01:33:56,040 --> 01:33:58,400
Speaker 2: crimes committed. I'm not not talking about murders. I'm just

1519
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:03,960
Speaker 2: about crimes in general. Down to ninety seven crimes. That's down,

1520
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:08,639
Speaker 2: that's not down. And that's the argument. You could sell

1521
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 2: it in the data. You can't sell it to the

1522
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 2: people who live there. You can't sell to the people

1523
01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:16,280
Speaker 2: who won't visit there. You can't sell that and when

1524
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:20,439
Speaker 2: you try to, you're really insulting them. But that's not

1525
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:23,440
Speaker 2: the story. I want to follow up on this conversation

1526
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:29,920
Speaker 2: regarding Obergefel because I had somebody very foolishly say to me,

1527
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:33,880
Speaker 2: what about the ninth Amendment. Actually it was more than

1528
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 2: just a little foolishly. I believe the statement was, I

1529
01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:39,800
Speaker 2: would like to introduce you to the Ninth Amendment, you

1530
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:47,040
Speaker 2: blanking idiot, Oh okay, your fun. The Ninth Amendment to

1531
01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:50,599
Speaker 2: the Constitution raids the enumeration and the constitution of certain

1532
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:53,720
Speaker 2: rights shall not be construed or to deny or disparage

1533
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:58,400
Speaker 2: others retained by the people. This goes along the line

1534
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 2: that the rights that are not specifically mentioned are those

1535
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:04,639
Speaker 2: belonging to the states or to the people, respectively. Right

1536
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 2: that just because something isn't listed doesn't mean that it

1537
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:10,520
Speaker 2: doesn't exist.

1538
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:15,040
Speaker 5: However, in the case of same.

1539
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:18,680
Speaker 2: Sex marriage, which is the Obergefeld decision, we are not

1540
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:23,559
Speaker 2: discussing actual rights. We are discussing whether or not the

1541
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:29,519
Speaker 2: Supreme Court can create law. And the poor troll on

1542
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:33,000
Speaker 2: the social media can't see their way through to that

1543
01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:38,040
Speaker 2: very very rational conversation. I swear to you, one of

1544
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:41,200
Speaker 2: the weirdest things that happens to me, and it happens

1545
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 2: a lot, I get called middle of the road, and

1546
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:46,840
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do with that. I find

1547
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 2: it beyond defensive. Yeah, Tony, I love it. You call balls,

1548
01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 2: you call strikes, and you really try and stake out

1549
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:55,000
Speaker 2: that middle ground.

1550
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:57,599
Speaker 5: I am not staking out a middle ground.

1551
01:35:57,960 --> 01:36:01,280
Speaker 2: I am staking out a clear con conservative grounds and

1552
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 2: conservative thought process based on conservative principles in everything that

1553
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:12,040
Speaker 2: I do. But since we're all not insane, since we're

1554
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:16,479
Speaker 2: not screaming and yelling about everything everywhere all the time,

1555
01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 2: since we're not attacking, since we're constantly saying okay, here's

1556
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 2: what this means. But wait, we got to think of

1557
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:26,920
Speaker 2: it over here this way, since we're logical for some reason,

1558
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:31,520
Speaker 2: in a world of everybody out their their most outraged

1559
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:35,439
Speaker 2: fits a peak, it comes across as middle of the road,

1560
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:39,960
Speaker 2: which is fascinating because because I admit, I hear that

1561
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:44,360
Speaker 2: and I cringe. But I've kind of learned that they

1562
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:47,760
Speaker 2: don't mean it that way. Rather, what they mean is

1563
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:54,479
Speaker 2: that they appreciate a cogent argument which is lost in

1564
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:56,599
Speaker 2: today's society. I mean, we're going to keep doing that,

1565
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 2: so I thank you so much and keep listening and

1566
01:36:59,200 --> 01:37:06,080
Speaker 2: support response. The Supreme Court cannot create law. That's not

1567
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:08,439
Speaker 2: what they do, and an Obergafel, that's what they did.

1568
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:12,200
Speaker 2: They created I should say, the right to same sex marriage. Now,

1569
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:14,880
Speaker 2: I should be clear same sex marriage. If we go

1570
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:20,400
Speaker 2: back to the time of the Obergafell decision, the issue

1571
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:25,760
Speaker 2: of same sex marriage was winning in the States in

1572
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:29,680
Speaker 2: very very large measure. This was twenty fifteen, by the

1573
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 2: way Obergafell. It was winning in an incredible amount of states.

1574
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:37,040
Speaker 2: States were behind this. The people are behind us. They

1575
01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:40,760
Speaker 2: are like, okay, same sex marriage. Fine. Now, I think

1576
01:37:40,760 --> 01:37:43,719
Speaker 2: if some people learned or saw that same sex marriage

1577
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:46,759
Speaker 2: was going to lead to Okay, that's what we said,

1578
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:49,519
Speaker 2: what we were advocating for. But what what we really

1579
01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:52,160
Speaker 2: want is to be able to mutilate children and tell

1580
01:37:52,200 --> 01:37:54,960
Speaker 2: them they can change their genders. They may have had

1581
01:37:55,000 --> 01:38:00,320
Speaker 2: other issues. And this is why I encourage to this. Hey,

1582
01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:04,320
Speaker 2: I encourage the LG and the B to drop the t.

1583
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:08,920
Speaker 2: These people are pure poison for you. And you're not down,

1584
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:11,280
Speaker 2: all right, some of you. Some of you are down,

1585
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:14,040
Speaker 2: But hey, I know a lot of straight white liberal

1586
01:38:14,120 --> 01:38:16,479
Speaker 2: Karens that are down from mutilating children.

1587
01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:17,639
Speaker 5: It's pretty gross.

1588
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:20,160
Speaker 2: We should know these people are and not allow them

1589
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:22,519
Speaker 2: into political office and not allow them into our homes.

1590
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:27,120
Speaker 2: But the Elberg and the B, which in many ways,

1591
01:38:27,200 --> 01:38:30,000
Speaker 2: if we're talking about the days of stonewall or other things,

1592
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:33,320
Speaker 2: we're actually advocating for not having to lose their job,

1593
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:36,960
Speaker 2: being able to be themselves in public, etc. Right, that argument,

1594
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:41,439
Speaker 2: that is where it ended. That was enough, But people

1595
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:44,920
Speaker 2: who engaged politically, it could never be enough.

1596
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:47,760
Speaker 5: You gotta have a level of permanent revolution.

1597
01:38:49,479 --> 01:38:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I use that term on purpose. And everything is

1598
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:55,000
Speaker 2: of course about the destruction of Western civilization and the

1599
01:38:55,040 --> 01:38:58,639
Speaker 2: destruction of the nuclear family and cleaving the childs from

1600
01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 2: the parent, which we've seen in so anyways over this

1601
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:07,040
Speaker 2: last ten years and certainly before that. So they took

1602
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:08,920
Speaker 2: this thing and said no, no, no, we'll use it for

1603
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:11,800
Speaker 2: our purposes now, which is why the rainbow flag doesn't

1604
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:14,960
Speaker 2: look like a rainbow flag anymore. They put any color

1605
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:17,720
Speaker 2: and shape they want on this thing. It's a political

1606
01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:21,920
Speaker 2: movement meant to destroy America. It is anti American, and

1607
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:25,719
Speaker 2: so are the people who support that movement. That does

1608
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 2: not encapsulate everybody who is L the G or the B.

1609
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:35,680
Speaker 2: The T is the movement and the people who have

1610
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:38,360
Speaker 2: co opted the movement are the people who believe in

1611
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:39,920
Speaker 2: the destruction of Western civilization.

1612
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:43,080
Speaker 5: Do I think every gay.

1613
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:46,640
Speaker 2: Man and gay woman wants to destroy Western civilization? Of

1614
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:51,320
Speaker 2: course not, because I know for fact, having friends in

1615
01:39:51,320 --> 01:39:53,599
Speaker 2: this world and having eyes and being able to see things,

1616
01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:56,120
Speaker 2: there are plenty of gay men and gay women who

1617
01:39:56,160 --> 01:39:59,240
Speaker 2: recognize it's better to be in America than it would

1618
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:02,920
Speaker 2: ever be in name that Muslim nation, because in that

1619
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:07,320
Speaker 2: Muslim nation they are what is dead dead, as is

1620
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:10,840
Speaker 2: the term you are looking for right there. The people

1621
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:15,320
Speaker 2: in the Tea who are a part of this communist

1622
01:40:15,320 --> 01:40:19,479
Speaker 2: block involved in the Red Green Alliance with Islamists want

1623
01:40:19,479 --> 01:40:22,559
Speaker 2: Western civilization destroyed because they think they're going to rebuild it.

1624
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:24,800
Speaker 2: They have yet to figure out that once done, the

1625
01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:28,519
Speaker 2: Islamist is going to kill them. Do you think the

1626
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:33,000
Speaker 2: creation of a caliphate involves Yeah, but not the communist

1627
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:36,400
Speaker 2: trans person who supported you. No, no, no, Now those

1628
01:40:36,439 --> 01:40:39,600
Speaker 2: people are going to But you know, the people in

1629
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:41,639
Speaker 2: the red of the Red Green Alliance, they're not smart

1630
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:44,960
Speaker 2: enough to know this. They actually think somehow it's all

1631
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:49,559
Speaker 2: going to work out. Okay. These people are embarrassing from

1632
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:55,479
Speaker 2: the word go. Going back to a Berga fell, the

1633
01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:59,600
Speaker 2: issue here is its creation of a right out of

1634
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:05,080
Speaker 2: whole aw It's it's the deciding that the Supreme that

1635
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:12,160
Speaker 2: the Constitution states clearly somehow that this can happen. But

1636
01:41:12,240 --> 01:41:18,599
Speaker 2: it doesn't do that. You can't say that a reading

1637
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:23,880
Speaker 2: indicates that therefore we can create the right. You have

1638
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:26,120
Speaker 2: to say, based on the case in front of you,

1639
01:41:27,320 --> 01:41:28,000
Speaker 2: is there.

1640
01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:29,400
Speaker 5: A violation taking place?

1641
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:33,080
Speaker 2: The creation of rights, which would just be the creation

1642
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:37,120
Speaker 2: of of of laws, if you will, doesn't happen from

1643
01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:38,080
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court.

1644
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:41,200
Speaker 5: So how are they getting into this argument?

1645
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:47,839
Speaker 2: Anthony Kennedy wrote the opinion on this, and Anthony Kennedy

1646
01:41:48,360 --> 01:41:49,799
Speaker 2: was absolutely wrong.

1647
01:41:51,200 --> 01:41:53,200
Speaker 5: Again, I will state.

1648
01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:58,240
Speaker 2: This is not about where anybody stands on same sex marriage.

1649
01:41:59,479 --> 01:42:02,000
Speaker 2: I am. I'm absolutely fine with two men or two

1650
01:42:02,040 --> 01:42:06,400
Speaker 2: women living their lives together, zero issue. Now, I will

1651
01:42:06,439 --> 01:42:10,000
Speaker 2: admit that to this day I have an issue with

1652
01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:12,719
Speaker 2: the concept of calling it marriage because I believe marriage

1653
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:15,360
Speaker 2: has a definition one man and one woman, and when

1654
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:17,519
Speaker 2: two men do it or two women do it, it's different,

1655
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:21,840
Speaker 2: that's all. Now someone's gonna say, oh, so you believe

1656
01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:24,800
Speaker 2: it's separate but equal. No, I didn't say that. I

1657
01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:28,800
Speaker 2: didn't say there should be separate water fountains. I said

1658
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:35,000
Speaker 2: words have meaning, and I don't like the misrepresentation or

1659
01:42:35,240 --> 01:42:38,679
Speaker 2: the easy altering of the meaning of words.

1660
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:42,519
Speaker 5: That seems rather ugly to me.

1661
01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:49,160
Speaker 2: But I understand that I might lose in a conversation

1662
01:42:49,240 --> 01:42:51,280
Speaker 2: of this when it goes to the States or goes

1663
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:55,240
Speaker 2: to legislatures on the idea of definition two men or

1664
01:42:55,240 --> 01:42:58,840
Speaker 2: two women spending their lives together, no problem, and being

1665
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:04,080
Speaker 2: able to have the rights that come with that. Usually,

1666
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:08,759
Speaker 2: for me, that's a tax conversation. If two people engage

1667
01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:13,639
Speaker 2: in contract, which is what marriage is, that is there's

1668
01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:16,479
Speaker 2: a religious functionality, and then we can argue there's a

1669
01:43:16,479 --> 01:43:20,000
Speaker 2: civil conversation here. Why is it that the man and

1670
01:43:20,040 --> 01:43:23,000
Speaker 2: the woman are able to get a tax benefit but

1671
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:28,439
Speaker 2: the man and the man aren't, Which is why I

1672
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:32,240
Speaker 2: am fine with this concept and people getting of the

1673
01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:36,640
Speaker 2: tax benefit the same thing. But the concept itself in

1674
01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:41,559
Speaker 2: terms of the definition, is indeed different. It's a union, fine,

1675
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:46,840
Speaker 2: marriage is different. But hey, you can argue that I'm

1676
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:49,200
Speaker 2: antiquated on that. You could argue that I'm old fashioned

1677
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:51,080
Speaker 2: on that. You can argue I'm absolutely right on that,

1678
01:43:52,439 --> 01:43:54,479
Speaker 2: But I'm not here to stop people who want to

1679
01:43:54,520 --> 01:43:58,240
Speaker 2: live their lives together from living their lives together. What

1680
01:43:58,360 --> 01:44:04,080
Speaker 2: I want to have ended, and I do support, is

1681
01:44:04,120 --> 01:44:08,160
Speaker 2: the overturning of a Bergafell because it is a statement

1682
01:44:08,479 --> 01:44:11,240
Speaker 2: that the Supreme Court is allowed to do something that

1683
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:17,840
Speaker 2: it is not allowed to do. That's why this is important.

1684
01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:25,559
Speaker 2: So you have this case that could be going to

1685
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:32,559
Speaker 2: the court and it might lead to the overturning. Now,

1686
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:37,519
Speaker 2: the person bringing this case Kim Davis. You'll remember Kim Davis.

1687
01:44:37,560 --> 01:44:40,680
Speaker 2: She was a court clerk in Kentucky who would not

1688
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:46,000
Speaker 2: sign same sex marriage certificates and wouldn't allow them. Yeah,

1689
01:44:46,160 --> 01:44:47,719
Speaker 2: that that.

1690
01:44:47,800 --> 01:44:49,639
Speaker 5: Is not where I play.

1691
01:44:50,640 --> 01:44:54,559
Speaker 2: It's not that I have any formal defense of Kim Davis.

1692
01:44:55,000 --> 01:45:00,840
Speaker 2: I engage only on the Supreme Court decision itself, and

1693
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:04,639
Speaker 2: I believe that should be overturned. Now, go pass some laws.

1694
01:45:05,160 --> 01:45:10,439
Speaker 2: Go win in the states, fine by me, right, that's

1695
01:45:10,479 --> 01:45:13,840
Speaker 2: where you go win. You win in the culture, that's

1696
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:17,599
Speaker 2: where you go do it. Anyway, We're gonna be following this.

1697
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:20,120
Speaker 2: We'll see what comes of it. I'm Tony Katz, and

1698
01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:23,280
Speaker 2: this is Tony Katz Today. So as the school year begins,

1699
01:45:23,439 --> 01:45:26,839
Speaker 2: I came across another one of these stories talking about

1700
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:31,599
Speaker 2: look how much school supplies are and teachers are putting

1701
01:45:31,640 --> 01:45:34,599
Speaker 2: their hands in their own pockets, sometimes upwards of five

1702
01:45:34,720 --> 01:45:38,040
Speaker 2: hundred dollars to make sure their students of school supplies.

1703
01:45:39,320 --> 01:45:47,240
Speaker 2: I've been reading that story every year for decades. That

1704
01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:51,080
Speaker 2: story is evergreen. I don't even think they do anything

1705
01:45:51,120 --> 01:45:53,559
Speaker 2: except pull it out of the vault and click published.

1706
01:45:53,680 --> 01:45:56,760
Speaker 5: Tony Katz, Tony Katz Today, Good to be with you.

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Speaker 5: That's that's well.

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Speaker 2: The other parts are optional, but the bourbon, it'll be there.

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Speaker 2: Tickets dot Tonycats dot com. There is no doubt in

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Speaker 2: my mind that teachers spend money on school supplies for

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Speaker 2: kids that might forget something or might not have something.

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Speaker 2: I think that happens every year, and I think but

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Speaker 2: not every teacher does it. But I think a bunch

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Speaker 2: of teachers do it, and they deserve respect for it.

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Speaker 2: I absolutely believe that that happens. I also believe that

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Speaker 2: the school supplies are expensive. No, not every school supply.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there are plenty of ten set notebooks out there.

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Speaker 2: But it's it if you told me that this year. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: things did cost a little more here and a little

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Speaker 2: more there. The economy is not fixed, the economy is

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Speaker 2: not perfect. Better, I think there's a lot of opportunity.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a better feel about things because of

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Speaker 2: Trump and not Biden or Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 5: But it's still not done. It's still not there.

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Speaker 2: They're still costs, but the idea that it's so expensive

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Speaker 2: and teachers, this is an every every year kind of thing,

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Speaker 2: every year kind of story. If you actually see that

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Speaker 2: school supplies have gone up, would you let me know

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