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Speaker 1: refreshments and beverages. I think we went over this already, Joel,

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Speaker 1: did we not? You had mentioned that, And I want

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Speaker 2: Uh, it's it's uh, you know, it's it's taking some hits.

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Speaker 2: a newer one that I haven't had yet. That one's

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Speaker 2: pretty darn good.

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Speaker 1: That one's really darn good.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's it's taken some taking some it's taking

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Speaker 2: some lumps over the over the holiday season.

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Speaker 1: Well, my understanding is ration is the keyword, because my

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Speaker 1: get to this. Shane Steichen has said what that was

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Speaker 1: of note if anything today in regards to the Colts

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Speaker 1: preparations in the most meaningless of meaningless games.

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Speaker 3: Riley Leonard will be your starter.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like, barring something ridiculous, Seth Hennigan will be

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Speaker 2: you know, be a mentor of the Riley Leonard this

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Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson will not be activated if he still has

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Speaker 2: visual limitations. That's all of it, real fast, Okay, lots

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Speaker 2: of quarterback stuff, Joel.

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Speaker 1: I want you to think we're gonna do a little

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Speaker 1: game here. Okay, this time one year ago, in twenty

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Speaker 1: that you currently reside, correct, Sure you were working for

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Speaker 1: the same place of employment that you work today. Correct,

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Speaker 1: that's true. So twenty twenty five to you represented stability

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's that's fair.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. One year from now, on New Year's Eve, getting

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Speaker 3: No, I do not believe.

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Speaker 2: So. I think I think twenty twenty six for Anthony

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Speaker 2: Richardson is going to be a year change. I think

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Speaker 1: I don't know that they at this point trust Riley

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Speaker 2: the Packers have done with Malik Willis.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to give you a couple of those

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Speaker 2: I think with Warren, I think the biggest thing is

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Speaker 2: I think that that definitely could have come into play.

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Speaker 3: Then you go with the guy you like.

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Speaker 1: Okay, is there any chance Joel one thing that And

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Speaker 2: Within the franchise, I don't think so. Because Philip has

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Speaker 1: Now, there are a couple of questions I have for you,

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Speaker 1: Well here's what's interesting, Okay. My understanding is Robin the

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Speaker 3: I have not in dollars or in grape soda.

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Speaker 1: I would think Anthony Richardson he is an ir pay attention.

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Speaker 1: Then what I'd like to know from you, Joel Ericson?

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Speaker 1: Do you believe Sunday is the find on opportunity? I

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Speaker 3: I think he's back.

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Speaker 1: Do you mean Robin or Alec Pierce.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe that's? Because? And thank you Robin, by

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Speaker 4: So but based but based on what we know, I

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Speaker 1: Kick the beer Perry out of the way. Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: can we just get you real quick if we could

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Speaker 1: on the air, and you've been a good support about

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Speaker 1: this in the past, can you say to me with

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Speaker 1: using the and you don't even need to doctor your voice.

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Speaker 1: The Helium Fairy does it for us. Can you simply

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Speaker 1: say I'm Joela Erickson and I'm also the beer Fairy.

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Speaker 1: Can we get you to say that.

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Speaker 3: I'm Joeli Erickson and I'm also the beer Fairy?

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Speaker 1: Okay, well there you go. All right, Joel, Happy New

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Speaker 1: Year to you. Ration yourself, all right, I'll.

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Speaker 3: Do my best. It's tough to ration. It's tough.

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Speaker 1: It is tough to rashing, Yes, Joela Erickson joining us

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Speaker 1: on the Java House peeling poor guest line, Pat Boiling

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Speaker 1: joining us on the Java House Peel and poor guest line.

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Speaker 1: Kind of it's actually the direct line over the gamebridge

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Speaker 1: Field House Pacers, Magic tonight, and the lineup continue to

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Speaker 1: kind of be shuffled around. Pat, who's in or who's out?

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Speaker 1: Give me the familiarity of what we see here in

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Speaker 1: the last lineup for twenty twenty five for the Pacers.

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Speaker 5: Well, the good news, Jake is that's trending in the

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Speaker 5: right direction. The Pacers are healthier than they've been in

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Speaker 5: quite some time. Ben Sheppard questionable, he's going to play.

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Speaker 5: TJ McConn probable, he's available. So the Pacers right now

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Speaker 5: are really just missing Tyree Saliburt and Isaiah Jackson and

462
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Speaker 5: Obi Toppin. And I shouldn't say just with that, because

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Speaker 5: those are three very important players, including your best player,

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Speaker 5: of course, but considering what the injury report has been

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Speaker 5: for a lot of the year, that is a much

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Speaker 5: slimmer list than most of the season.

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Speaker 1: Pat, do you get the impression. I've talked about this

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Speaker 1: with Scott Agnes a couple of others, but I'll get

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Speaker 1: your thought on it. You know, the Pacers have gotten

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Speaker 1: points from twenty four players this year. They have had

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Speaker 1: to do ten day contracts, They've had to do hardships.

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Speaker 1: Tony East and I've talked about this as well. Do

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Speaker 1: you get the impression that even though there are times

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Speaker 1: they're having to go out of roster necessity to put

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Speaker 1: players out, that they're also always looking at potential pieces

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Speaker 1: that could be players next year, that are in the

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Speaker 1: mix for them, that could work their way into say

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Speaker 1: a two way or some sort of an end of

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Speaker 1: roster deal. Are there constantly auditioning that or is this

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Speaker 1: more just out of literally necessity.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think both of those things are probably true.

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Speaker 5: If you look at the recent example Micah Potter, he

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Speaker 5: was brought in in large part because Isaiah Jackson went

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Speaker 5: down and Tony Bradley broke his thumb in a short

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Speaker 5: period of time and they needed some frontcourt depth. But

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Speaker 5: I think the other part of your question, or perhaps point,

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Speaker 5: if you were making it, is valid. I think everything

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Speaker 5: is under review this year. I think you're seeing a

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Speaker 5: lot of players that are perhaps auditioning for future roles

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Speaker 5: as this team hopefully gets healthier and brings Tyreee Haliburton

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Speaker 5: back next year. You know that includes guys like Andrew

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Speaker 5: Nemhart I think who are established very good players in

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Speaker 5: this league. Guys like Jeris Walker are obvious. But I

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Speaker 5: think it's accurate all the way down the roster. This

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Speaker 5: is a really good opportunity and a really good audition

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Speaker 5: for a lot of different players. And as you say, now,

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Speaker 5: with the two ways, you know you can carry eight guys,

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Speaker 5: and the amount of players the Pacers have had on

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Speaker 5: this roster has been substantial. I think Rick Carlisle is

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Speaker 5: evaluating everything.

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Speaker 1: Has ben Nick Matherin been playing hurt?

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Speaker 5: He has been playing not one hundred percent. He's referenced

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Speaker 5: it a few times that the toe is just not

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Speaker 5: back to one hundred percent and that it still bothers him,

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Speaker 5: but not to the level where he or the team

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Speaker 5: views he should be sitting out. So is that, you know,

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Speaker 5: part of what's happened here in his last handful of games,

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Speaker 5: I don't know. You know, when he came back, he

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Speaker 5: was actually playing really well into early mid December. His

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Speaker 5: numbers were great, and a lot of that you would

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Speaker 5: assume was with that toe bothering him as well. So

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Speaker 5: he had a pretty good game in Miami, But otherwise

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Speaker 5: the last three weeks or so for him have been

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Speaker 5: a challenge. He's not one hundred percent, though, and I

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Speaker 5: think that probably should be taken into the calculus of

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Speaker 5: any sort of evaluation on Mathron.

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Speaker 1: Right now, Pat, when I was a younger guy, late nineties,

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Speaker 1: early two thousands, I'll use the NDY five hundred as

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Speaker 1: my example here, there was a changing of the guard,

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Speaker 1: and Rick Mears and Emerson Fitipaldi and al Once or

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Speaker 1: all these names that we'd known forever all retired within

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Speaker 1: about a three to five year span, and then you

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Speaker 1: had new names that we were unfamiliar with that we

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Speaker 1: had to get to know Lio Castrovis, Ton Knain, Scott Dixon.

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Speaker 1: The same is true in virtually all sports. Right have

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Speaker 1: we seen that in the last year. It seems to

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Speaker 1: me that we've seen this changing of the guard and

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Speaker 1: this kind of shift with halftime shows, Like some of

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Speaker 1: the halftime shows we've gotten to know and love seemed

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Speaker 1: to be phased out or retired or moved on to

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Speaker 1: other things or on the IR and now sometimes you

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Speaker 1: and I have commented on this. Some of them are okay,

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Speaker 1: and some of them feel like TIMU, but it feels

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Speaker 1: like there's a new we have a new era of

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Speaker 1: halftime shows. You see all of them? Am I correct?

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Speaker 5: I'm sitting here gearing up to have the debate with

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Speaker 5: you on whether it's no longer Lebron James and Steph

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Speaker 5: Curry's league and then and then we go halftime here.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I think that's probably accurate, although the gold

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Speaker 5: standard to me is Red Panda, who is the Lebron

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Speaker 5: James of halftime act. She just goes and goes and

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Speaker 5: goes and shows no sign of slowing down. Including how

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Speaker 5: impressive was it that she did it on the turf,

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Speaker 5: or at least I assume that's impressive. I would imagine

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Speaker 5: it's harder to do that on the turf at Lucas

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Speaker 5: Oil Stadium. And frankly was a little jealous that I

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Speaker 5: wasn't there to witness it as many times as we've

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Speaker 5: gotten to see it. That was a first for her.

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Speaker 5: So she's still the gold standard and she's still going strong.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, it does feel like we're seeing a little

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Speaker 5: bit of a changing of the guard there. I would

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Speaker 5: agree with that.

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Speaker 1: I'm a little played out with the guy that balances

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Speaker 1: the ladder on the chin. I mean, it's you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, like, Okay, it's impressive, but then after

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Speaker 1: like by the time he gets a bicycle on there,

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Speaker 1: you're just kind of like, okay, which is ridiculous because

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Speaker 1: it's hard to do right, I mean, but it just

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Speaker 1: you know, you start to feel bad for him because

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Speaker 1: you wonder how much he's driven off friends.

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Speaker 5: Well, we've had this discussion before. To me, the number

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Speaker 5: one question I would always ask any of these guys,

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Speaker 5: including that guy, is how did you learn that you

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Speaker 5: had a skill for this? I now on you once

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Speaker 5: you started learning you have a skill, anybody can practice it.

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Speaker 5: But it's almost like a chicken and an egg thing

567
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Speaker 5: to me, because a did you realize that you could

568
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Speaker 5: start balancing large objects on your chin just kind of

569
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Speaker 5: out of the blue, or did you come to this

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Speaker 5: realization that that would be a really cool thing to

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Speaker 5: do and worked at it. I wish we could sit

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Speaker 5: down with the ones that are regularly on tour and

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Speaker 5: ask them.

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Speaker 1: That I'm not saying specifically which cases I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: because I want to protect myself from a legal standpoint here, Pat,

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Speaker 1: But in some of the cases of the question you ask,

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Speaker 1: I believe the answer goes as simple as this alcohol

578
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Speaker 1: may have been a factor.

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Speaker 5: Well, with any question, you can never totally take that

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Speaker 5: out of.

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Speaker 1: It, out of the equation.

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Speaker 5: Although although if that guy, if that guy could balance

583
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Speaker 5: ladders and bikes with any sort of alcohol consumption would

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Speaker 5: be extremely impressive.

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Speaker 1: Listen. I mean, it's cool to watch him balance the

586
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Speaker 1: ladder until the one guy that looks like he might

587
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Speaker 1: be some sort of an Eastern European wrestler comes out,

588
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: puts a pole on his chin, and then a girl

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Speaker 1: gets up and starts swinging off of it, and I think, okay,

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Speaker 1: well that kind of trumps the ladder guy. The subtle

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Speaker 1: competition of these folks is always entertaining, all right, Pat

592
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Speaker 1: will be entertaining as well, along with the competition of

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Speaker 1: the pacers and Magic. Mark Boyle will be there Eddie

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Speaker 1: Gill as well. Pat. Happy New Year to you.

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Speaker 5: Man Hey, same to you, and thanks for allowing us

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Speaker 5: to take a half hour out of your show today.

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Speaker 1: Of course, of course, my pleasure on a holiday, right

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Speaker 1: on New Year's Eve, So Pat boy then we will

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Speaker 1: send it out there just a couple of minutes