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Speaker 1: All right, seven o'clock tonight inside of gamebridge Field House,

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Speaker 1: Spacers will try and end a twelve game losing streak. Really,

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Speaker 1: it was a pretty entertaining game down in Orlando on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Certainly had some chances in fifty to fifty balls late

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Speaker 1: in that game, but the Pacers lose. And how they

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Speaker 1: shift gears to the Cleveland Cavaliers tonight, and to talk

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Speaker 1: more about it, he is the head coach of the Pacers.

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Speaker 1: He is on the Payloss Slickers hotline. Rick Carlisle, Happy

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Speaker 1: New Year, Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing doing well?

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Speaker 3: Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Health wise?

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Speaker 1: Any update on Benedict Matherin and how long he could

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Speaker 1: be out with his thumb injury.

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Speaker 3: No, hard to say. I guess my thought my what

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Speaker 3: I would be comfortable saying is likely at least a week,

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Speaker 3: but really really undetermined how long for sure?

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Speaker 2: How do you look at his season so far? Rick?

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Speaker 1: Obviously, opening night he's got the big scoring night, and

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Speaker 1: He's had some make consistencies and then you know he's

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Speaker 1: had this thumb injury as well. How do you kind

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Speaker 1: of look at a year and obviously more on his

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Speaker 3: Really believe, starting with the toe thing that happened in

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Speaker 3: of the year, he's just been banged up. He just

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Speaker 3: he is just, you know, for a long time just

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Speaker 3: not sure the the exact status of the toe thing,

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Speaker 3: but he just hasn't looked quite like himself, and so

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Speaker 3: it's been difficult, and so you know, this break is needed,

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Speaker 3: and I think he'll come back refreshed and in a

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Speaker 4: We're talking to Rick Carlisle, head coach of the Pacers

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Speaker 4: here on the Pillows Circus Hotline. Rick, I want to

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Speaker 4: pivot to Micah Potter has quite the story when it

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Speaker 4: comes to the NBA Journey and was a member of

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Speaker 4: the Team USA team that actually won gold and the

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Speaker 4: Olympics now want to say member. He was a part

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Speaker 4: of like their ramp up for the Paris Olympics. But

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Speaker 4: what has been your experience getting to know him and

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Speaker 4: how much he loves the game and how highly skilled

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Speaker 4: he must be to obviously even have a chance to

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Speaker 3: Last summer, yeah, we heard a lot of good things

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Speaker 3: about him. He was on the select team, and the

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Speaker 3: Select team's job is to be practice players for Team USA,

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Speaker 3: to be competitive on the one hand, and on the

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Speaker 3: mean in the in the scrimmages, et cetera. And so, look,

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Speaker 3: he's a he's a very good player. You know. One

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Speaker 3: thing that I've noticed about him, and he's looked back

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Speaker 3: So you know, it's he's got some versatility, he's got

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Speaker 3: it he's got himself a great opportunity here.

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Speaker 2: Again, that opportunity tonight probably a big role.

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Speaker 1: a Tuesday. Coach when you're in a lose seen streak

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Speaker 1: like you are, you know when you hear coaches so

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Speaker 1: often it's a process oriented basis. How difficult is it

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot of battles going on, but there's

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Speaker 3: You know, this game tonight, interestingly, you know, I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure you know how a lot of people view Cleveland,

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Speaker 3: They shoot a lot of threes, but they're a great

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Speaker 3: you know, be opportunistic there. But there's nothing there's nothing

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Speaker 3: you know, show them, you know, equally equally as much

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Speaker 2: That New Year's Eve Mattine game.

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Speaker 1: We talked to you the day before that and after

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Speaker 1: that game against the Magic you use the phrase, you know,

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Speaker 1: too much petty nonsense in that game. Did you see

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Speaker 3: No, I'm not going to get into it on this,

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Speaker 3: but I would like to. I would like to congratulate

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Speaker 3: James on sports Prader of the Year and the State

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Speaker 2: Amen, appreciate that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to say, yeah, you were the first

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Speaker 2: To pivot back to the Pacers and your team.

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Speaker 4: When you look at Aaron Smith obviously been double some

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Speaker 4: injuries like many of your players have this year, how

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Speaker 4: much do you think he sort of turned the corner

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's done a great job with his rehab, conditioning everything.

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Speaker 3: very valuable. I think he's showing that since he's been back,

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Speaker 4: One more regarding the team, kind of being in a

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Speaker 4: tough spot right now, Rick, how do you balance the

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Speaker 2: Trying to marry the two ideas.

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Speaker 3: Good question. You know, one of the things that can

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Speaker 2: Win rick last one. And again, appreciate the time, specially

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Speaker 1: You know, we talked so much in the last couple

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Speaker 2: Know you believe in him.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we we have. And it's not it's not just

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Speaker 3: Nemar has been back, he's you know, for a while now,

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Speaker 3: and you know, he's the guy that I implicitly trust

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Speaker 3: our team plays better when we play with tempo, with

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Speaker 3: comes to the basics. So you know, I have a

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Speaker 3: phrase that I use very very very often. You know,

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Speaker 3: two hands, two eyes and coming up with the possession

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Speaker 3: of the ball and putting two hands on the ball

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Speaker 3: is the first thing, and then two eyes on the

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Speaker 3: guy you're throwing it to to make sure that you

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Speaker 3: that we can make that next pass. Because when we

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Speaker 3: are able to secure an opponent's turnover, we got to

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Speaker 3: make sure we have it number one and number two

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Speaker 3: that when we make that next pass, which which really

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Speaker 3: feeds into you know, the strength of our team, which

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Speaker 3: is playing fast and in transition, we got to complete

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Speaker 3: that pass. And we've had many instances this year where

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Speaker 3: you know, we've had miscues and we got to keep

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Speaker 3: working to cut down on those.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate the shout out for James certainly well deserved. Luck tonight, coach,

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Speaker 1: and we'll chat with you next Tuesday, all right, see you, guys,