1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Several years ago the cults made a and it was 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: Jim Rsay that made it, I think sometimes and it 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: is a It's an odd phenomenon when you get to 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 1: a point in your life where you can recall when 5 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: your parents were the same age, and you can look 6 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: back on things they did, decisions they made. And in 7 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: my case, I'll be honest, I mean, and I've been 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: very fortunate in this. There are really no things that 9 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: come to mind to me where I look at things 10 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: my parents did and think, wow, I am surprised they 11 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: did that, or they did that the wrong way. But 12 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: I never worked for my parents per se, but for 13 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: any aspect of it. It is very surreal when you 14 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: reach that point where you say, like, gosh, in that memory, 15 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: my parents were ten years younger than I am. Now 16 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: you know those sorts of things. And in the case 17 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: of Carli Erse Gordon, you know she has been around 18 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: this franchise for you know, very closely, observing it for 19 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 1: quite some time. And there are areas where I think 20 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: she may have looked at things and made a mental 21 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: note of them. You know, you see her a lot 22 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: writing down notes, wear in the headsets, writing things down, 23 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: and one of the more I'll say infamous for lack 24 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: of a better phrase, surreal is probably the better word. 25 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: Moments in covering the Indianapolis Colts, and there have been 26 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: for those that have been around, for Mike Chapel, for example, 27 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: I mean, there have been a ton whether it was 28 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: Bob Er say, coming into the locker room after a 29 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 1: game and cutting a tight end on the spot, and 30 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: then two days later the Colts re signing said tight 31 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: end and Bober said coming in and saying, are you 32 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: an your tight end? Wait to hear what we did 33 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: the last guy, or Bob er say allegedly calling plays 34 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,279 Speaker 1: down from the press box. There's been some bizarre things 35 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: in the history of covering the Colts, going and getting 36 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: Ricky Turner to come in and run the wishbone for 37 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: four games, you know. But one of the more surreal 38 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: press conferences happened after hours when all of the media 39 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: were summoned back to fifty sixth Street and we were 40 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: awaiting and anticipating the possibility that Chuck Pagotto was probably 41 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 1: going to be relieved of his duties or Ryan Grigson 42 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: was going to be relieved of his duties. We didn't 43 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: know which, maybe both and Jim Mersey held the press 44 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: conference of the famous attached at the hip, and he said, 45 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: and these were two guys that and let me preface 46 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: by saying, in particular sense their departures with the franchise. 47 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: I really like both guys. I like Ryan Grigson. I 48 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: do do I think he was a great general manager. 49 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: Maybe not. Do I think he was as bad as 50 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: people throw him under the bus to be. I do 51 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: not do. I think, especially after hearing him out from 52 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: his side of the story, that there is some truth 53 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: in the middle. I do do. I think there were 54 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: a lot of things that many people will never know 55 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: about that we're stacked up against him. I do. And 56 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: I like Chuck Paganell, you know obviously, and we've seen 57 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: now in particular, you know, with some of the times 58 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: he's been on this radio station, in this show and 59 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: whatever else. You know, really likable guy, solid coach. I 60 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: remember when they both were hired. I ran into both 61 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: of them completely serendipitously at Ted's Montana Grill and they 62 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: could not have been nicer. And this was before the draft. 63 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: They were just getting ready to draft Luck. We all 64 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: knew they were taking luck obviously, and but over the 65 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: course of time. Luck wasn't always on their side. And 66 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: I don't mean the player, I mean the euphemism, but 67 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: there is no doubt that there were differing opinions. And 68 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: I can't even remember. I've talked a lot about this 69 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: with at times both people, really and there were differing 70 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: opinions on a couple of different things between Ryan Griggson 71 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: and Chuck Pagano and I think it may have been staff. 72 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: I can't remember the exact specifics, but Jim Mersay held 73 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 1: the famous press conference of their attached it to Hip, 74 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: They're attached it to Hip now, and lots of tears 75 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: were shed and we sat down and we talked our 76 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: way through it. Jim Irsay was Henry Clay, he was 77 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: the great compromiser. He sat down and he said, let's 78 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: figure this out. Kumbaya moment, yep and bottom line, because 79 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: you had at that time, you had staggering contracts and Pagano, 80 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, had a year left and Gregson 81 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: may have had two or I don't recall exactly, but 82 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: they went into it then with this understanding on the fly, 83 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: we're going to make this work. Because we sat down 84 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: and we got emotional and tears flowed and we had 85 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: a late night conversation and this is going to work 86 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: itself out, and it didn't, and it didn't, and then 87 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: it got kind of ugly and it was like what 88 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: do we do here? And then Gregson was the one 89 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: that got let go. And now you have Ballard that 90 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: comes in and he inherits Pegano and he goes through 91 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: kind of a just you know, an inherited year, and 92 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: then obviously they make that move. You go with Josh McDaniels. 93 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: That doesn't work, and then you get Frank Reich and 94 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. My point being long winded here 95 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: is that Carli Ursa Gordon witnessed all of that, and 96 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: I think probably one of the things that she noticed 97 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: is you could have a general manager that's a ten 98 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: and a coach that's a six, and they can it 99 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: work if they're step by step completing each other sentences. 100 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: You could have a coach that's a ten and a 101 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: general manager that's a six, and it can work if 102 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: step by step they complete each other's sentences. Or you 103 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: could have a coach that's a ten and a general 104 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: manager that's a ten and it's a complete and total 105 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: disaster if one sees red and the other sea's blue. 106 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: So that symbiotic nature is so incredibly important that I 107 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: think Carly Ursa Gordon witnessed over the course of time 108 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: that she's been really cognitively sitting there taking notes about it. 109 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: The different variations of what happens with the combination of coaching, 110 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: general manager, and the cohesiveness or at times lack thereof, 111 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: that exist, And it does appear as though from the outside. 112 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: I'm not inside, but from the outside it does appear 113 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: as though these are two guys working together that at 114 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: times can complete each other's sentences. One was brought in 115 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: by the other and chosen by the other, and one 116 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: seemingly brought the other in because he was in step 117 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: with the style in which that one works. And when 118 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: carl arse Gordon talked about after last year and we 119 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: ran every possible scenario out there, do you want both replaced? 120 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: Do you want one? And the other stays do you 121 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: want this one? And that one stays whichever it might be, 122 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: she talked about the decision to go ahead and go 123 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: status quo, and perhaps precedent played into the thought process. 124 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: With Chris and Shane. Obviously. I think one of the 125 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: biggest pieces I always say is, you know, we did 126 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 2: a regression analysis a long time ago about you know, 127 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: what is sort of the I don't call it the 128 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: kiss of death for where a general manager and head 129 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 2: coach don't succeed. And one of the things that we 130 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 2: found is when you simultaneously hire them, and when you 131 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: think about it, it makes total sense. So imagine hiring one. 132 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: I'm not one person has to do this another person 133 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 2: and you just are like, I hope you get along, 134 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: you know, versus I think that you know, Chris with 135 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: his tenure with us, I think it was we were 136 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: able to go out when we found Shane and really 137 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 2: make sure that we had someone that complimented Chris's style, 138 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 2: and I think I think they have a great relationship. 139 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 2: I love working with them. 140 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: Now here's the thing, and that makes sense. She was 141 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: talking to JJ Stankovitz that are by the way from 142 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: the Colts. It makes sense. But she also has to know, 143 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: nor do I think she probably keeps her up at night, 144 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: but she has to know that if we are back 145 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: here a year from now, having the same discussion, having 146 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: the same breakdown, having the same analysis, then the natives 147 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: are going to be restless. 148 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 3: They are, and she's saying that they are attached to 149 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 3: the or they're not. 150 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: I think she kind of is because what she's saying 151 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: there is to have one, you have to have both. 152 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's interesting because when I 153 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 3: listen to that, I hear her say that they are, 154 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 3: but at the same time I also hear the caveat 155 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 3: of the general manager is not tied at the hip 156 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 3: of the head coach, but the head coach might be 157 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 3: tied at the hip at the general manager. 158 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: That's fair. Now, that's fair. But yes, I think that's 159 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: right because basically what she is saying is I think 160 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: what she's saying there is whoever the general manager is Eddie, 161 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: the coach has to be one that the general manager 162 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: probably is the one that hires because if you get 163 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: a coach, you we saw it before Chris Ballard inherited 164 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: a coach and it didn't work. 165 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 3: One year later he was let go, Right. 166 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: It didn't work, So you have to have you just 167 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 1: have to have. You know, the coach wouldn't hire a 168 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: general manager. The general manager hires the coach, So you 169 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: have to have it that way. 170 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 3: I also think if you just look at what played 171 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 3: out this offseason with Miami, for example, like they fired 172 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 3: Chris Greer their general manager at middle of the year, 173 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 3: and once they got to the end of the year, 174 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 3: the Miami Dolphins owner was like, yeah, I would like 175 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 3: to keep Mike McDaniel. And then you start going through 176 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 3: these interviews for potential GMS and you're saying, all right, 177 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 3: this can be your head coach, and then you come 178 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 3: to find out it's like, yeah, this isn't gonna work, 179 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 3: Like I cannot just have somebody that goes over Mike 180 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 3: McDaniel's as his new boss and just try to patch 181 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 3: that relationship together. They end up firing Mike McDaniel, they 182 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 3: hire a new GM that GM fire finds his head coach. 183 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: Joining US now, and I'm sure thrilled to be doing 184 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: so based on that intro on the guest line. She 185 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: is formerly the missioner of the Horizon League and is 186 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: now an executive vice president for the Pacers. Julia ro 187 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: last joining us with of course Pacer Sports and Entertainment 188 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: being a big part of Final four weekend and all 189 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: of the championship games that are taking place. Julie, how 190 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: are you thanks for joining us. 191 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 4: I am well, it's great. March madness is here, actually 192 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 4: April madness, right. 193 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: Kind Yeah, it is big week. Have you been by 194 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: the way, have you been hit by any April fool 195 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: stuff today? 196 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 4: You know what? I was just thinking, I haven't am 197 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 4: I am I actually on air or is that a listen? 198 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this or not. This 199 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: entire program is in April fool. 200 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. 201 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,719 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just I'm waiting for the day when 202 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: I come in and they go, you know, this was 203 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: all the gig is up, buddy. You know it's a 204 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: matter of time. Okay, let's let's begin with this. And 205 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: you know, I recall last year during the Horizon League 206 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: Championships at the Fairgrounds, seeing all of the trophies on 207 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: display for Division one, Division two, and Division three, And 208 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: that's when you know, it was pointed out to me, Hey, 209 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: next year, meaning obviously the weekend that is upon us, 210 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: all of these championships are going to be settled in 211 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: Indianapolis for the NCAA and college basketball. And I don't 212 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: know the answer to this, So I'm legitimately asking, is 213 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: this unprecedented of having all the division levels in one 214 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: place for the same weekend. 215 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 4: Well, that is not it is rare. But what is 216 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 4: our precedent is having not just Divisions one, two, and 217 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 4: three men's national champions crown but also the NIT national champions. 218 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 4: So we're going to have in Gambridge on Sunday three 219 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 4: champions crowned with Division two, three and NT and then 220 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 4: of course on Monday in Lucas Soil Stadium, the Division 221 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 4: one champion will be crowned. That is a. 222 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:57,719 Speaker 1: First, okay, And so I would imagine that means, you know, 223 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: and there are various entities that have to come together 224 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: for this. I mean PACER Sports and Entertainment because it's 225 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: a Gamebridge field House obviously, the Sports Corps and Lucas 226 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: Oil Stadium, and then the NCAA as well. When did 227 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: the cross pollination planning for all of this begin. 228 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 4: Years out? You know, the NCAA right now has already 229 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 4: locked in their final four destinations through twenty nine. And 230 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 4: I think Jake, it was probably three years ago and 231 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 4: I joined a group to go to Houston and it 232 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 4: was visit in DCIB Sports Corp. I was there as 233 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 4: a sports Core board member on Horizon Leak as a 234 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 4: co host IU Indy. We had Pacer Sports Entertainment and 235 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 4: everybody goes to pitch in front of the men's basketball 236 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 4: Selection Committee. So they don't just see the bracket. They 237 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 4: also decide where the championship locations are. And essentially it's 238 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 4: a pretty as light expect in depth process with a 239 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 4: pretty slick PowerPoint and video explaining to them why we 240 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 4: deserve to have yet another fine before so we were 241 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 4: pitching twenty nine when we had already locked in twenty six. 242 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: Who determines the logistics of you know, once you know 243 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: all the schools that are coming here. Uh, and these 244 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: are the little things that I find fascinating in this. 245 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: You know, all of these teams have to stay somewhere, 246 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: all of the you know, the the support staff, the cheerleaders, 247 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: the bands, all of it right, and so I you know, 248 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like on Sunday night, are the 249 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: is the staff at the University of Mary Washington suddenly 250 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: getting on booking dot com and finding the local Howard 251 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: Johnson like, how does it work? And how is that 252 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: all determined? 253 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 4: It is all taken care of by the NCAA and 254 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 4: then staff and you've got Dan Gavin and Joan Scott, 255 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 4: who are really the force behind the NCAA machine running 256 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 4: all of March badness. But then you also have, for 257 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 4: instance and Indy, and of course I'm bias, but I 258 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 4: think we're the best. You have local organizing committees. So 259 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 4: for instance, Kelly Ford Senior as Social Commissioner the Horizon 260 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 4: Lank serves on this over arching local organizing committee with 261 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 4: I'm guessing three hundred people across the community and serving 262 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 4: within different groups, whether it's team hosts, behind the scenes, 263 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 4: like there's so many different pieces of it, but the 264 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 4: travel making sure that those teams have not just one, 265 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 4: but multiple contacts. And this isn't just for Indy, this 266 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 4: is for the early rounds too, So whenever we host 267 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 4: a first and second round, we've got a core group 268 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 4: of volunteers prepared to welcome the team's coming, and then 269 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 4: of course for the regional sites and then this year 270 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 4: with the Final four. But the NCAA's got a travel 271 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 4: agency to your direct question, that reaches out to those teams, 272 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 4: works with their director of operations, secures their travel, the 273 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 4: local host of all the early rounds, and then the 274 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 4: Sweet sixteen, they've already secured hotels and then it's just 275 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 4: a matter of assigning. 276 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: Is your involvement Julia ra Lash is my guest. He's 277 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: with Pacer Sports and Entertainment, formerly with the Horizon League. 278 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: Is your role and involvement in some of this when 279 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: you made that transition from collegiate level commissioner over to 280 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: Pacer Sports and Entertainment. Obviously there's value in your ability 281 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: to know both sides of the coin here. But did 282 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: your involvement or your role within this great undertaking shift 283 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: somewhat or did you just stay with kind of finishing 284 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: off any responsibilities you may have had from the beginning. 285 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 4: It really did shift because the Horizon League and IU Indy, 286 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 4: they're really the co host so the HL team is 287 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 4: still very much leading that. I'm of course here as 288 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 4: they need me. But Jake, directly answer your question. I 289 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 4: went from being assured a really good final four seats 290 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 4: to having to ask my friends for. 291 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: Some Okay, that's an honest way of saying it, right, Yes, 292 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: did you get a seat? By the way, did you 293 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: find are your friends rhetoric? 294 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 4: Yeah? Yes, thanks Lly. I've since I worked in college 295 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 4: sports for so long, I've still got a lot of 296 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 4: friends in the business and They've been very gracious. 297 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: By the way. I was just telling Eddie this. We 298 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, we'd do fun facts with each team in 299 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: the tournament. Now, Hawaii did not make it to the 300 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: final four, but if they had gotten here, you could 301 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: have gotten And I know this. Have you been to Hawaii, Julie, 302 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: I half yes. Do you happen to know the state 303 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: fish of Hawaii? I know it's the Huma human uauah. 304 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: And if you ever meet anybody from Hawaii and you 305 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: say you know, I actually know that the state fish 306 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: is the Huma human Ukunukuapua. I was just explaining this 307 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 1: to eddiecause he's getting ready to go to Hawaii. If 308 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: Hawaii had made the final four, they not only would 309 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: have given you a ticket, they would have given you 310 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: their entire allotment. If you know that, that is a 311 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: fun fact about Hawaii that that people go crazy. If 312 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: you know that. I'm just telling you this because we 313 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 1: on this program we designed to educate and entertain and 314 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: I gave up on the entertainment factor a long time ago. 315 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: But if I can educate about the Humu whoman Nunapaha, then. 316 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 4: Have a right so you can say the state fish 317 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 4: can you spell. 318 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: It, I can't, actually h the only the only problem 319 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: with that is it's long enough. The show's over at 320 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: three and I ain't got time. 321 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 4: You know. Fair enough, Yeah, fair enough. 322 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: But I will tell you this, if you were going 323 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: to buy a vow to try to spell out Huma 324 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: whom and nukuno kuapua you need you actually got to 325 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: take out a loan for that to stop. Okay. So 326 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: the again, this all undergoing. The Pacer Sports and Entertainment 327 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: I would understand, I would assume has involvement in the 328 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 1: fact that Sunday is the big day for them because 329 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: that's when Gamebridge field House is being used. But then 330 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 1: does Gamebridge also or the Pacer Sports and Entertainment staff 331 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: also lend support staff to everything that will be going on, 332 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: notably Monday night with the National Championship. 333 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 4: Well, we, like many organizations, we've got staff volunteering in 334 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 4: different ways. I think probably one of the most worthwhile 335 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 4: pieces where we've been able to be involved as Baser 336 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 4: Sports Entertainment was we hosted the first ever Jim Morris 337 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 4: Day of Service on March twenty fourth, and Jake, I 338 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 4: know your history buff that happened to be the same 339 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 4: day that the NCAA hosted its very first Final Four 340 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 4: so many years. 341 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: Ago, nineteen thirty nine. 342 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 4: Right, you would know that day better than me. But 343 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 4: that's to be able to launch a day of service, 344 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 4: and it was not just to day's service, it was 345 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 4: also to essentially beautify the city and that includes small 346 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 4: things like picking up trash and wrapping trash bends, but 347 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 4: planting flowers with keep ending at those beautiful packing backpacks 348 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 4: for to reward the kids that participated in the million 349 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 4: minutes read towards red to the Final Four. So we 350 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 4: held a press conference and just a really nice community 351 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 4: gathering that morning, and then over eight hundred people stepped 352 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 4: up to volunteer throughout the day in various shifts around 353 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 4: the city. And that was we were proud to be 354 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 4: a leader in organizing that effort alongside the NCAA. In 355 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 4: sports corp. 356 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if you know Julie Elliott 357 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 1: Bloom who's the director of basketball operations at Purdue, but 358 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: we had Elliott on, you know, during produced tournament run 359 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: here and he made an interesting comment where he said, 360 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: you know, Jake, I almost feel sorry for schools that 361 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,959 Speaker 1: are going through this. For the first time because of 362 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: all of the logistics that go into traveling in the 363 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: tournament and advancing from around and figuring out getting your 364 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 1: assignment for traveling, et cetera. Does the same hold true 365 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: for putting on events like this? Do you look at 366 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: a city that is undergoing it the first time and 367 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 1: almost think to yourself, Man, I remember what that was like? 368 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: And does a city kind of learn with each time 369 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: they do this a new wrinkle to improve it. 370 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 4: I think cities absolutely learned because it's the people, right 371 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 4: like anywhere, it's the city is not just the build 372 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 4: it's not the buildings, it's the people that are really 373 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 4: hosting and an Indy, I mean we are a sports 374 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 4: city and that it's just part of our fabric and 375 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 4: our DNA and you see our volunteers really come to 376 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 4: life with this full notion and I think Rick Houston 377 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 4: called it. You know, it's our spirit. It's that who's 378 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 4: your spirit of hospitality? Like we take pride and if 379 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 4: somebody not People don't look at maps anymore, right, they're 380 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 4: looking at their phone. But if they look like they're lost, 381 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 4: you walk up to them and say, hey, how can 382 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 4: I help you? Glad you're here that's that's just easy 383 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 4: to do. But to your point of wrinkles, I think 384 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 4: where we really had an inside track that other cities 385 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 4: didn't is we hosted all of March Madness in twenty 386 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 4: twenty one, So it wasn't just three games, which just 387 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 4: three games is a pretty massive undertaking when it's the 388 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 4: final four. It was sixty seven over what three weeks, 389 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 4: across six venues across our states. So we already had 390 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 4: an edge because we host so many of these megasport events. 391 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 4: But I think that that didn't just put us on 392 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 4: the map, that really put us in a different stratosphere 393 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 4: in terms of being able to handle pretty much any 394 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 4: logistics thrown our way in the midst of a pandemic. 395 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know what it says about me, but 396 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: I've noticed lately that when I walk around, people do 397 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: come up and ask if I'm asking. I don't know, 398 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: I don't know what that means, but I noticed it 399 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: last week, and I wow, people are friendly down here 400 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: in Alabama. Everybody keeps asking if I need anything? 401 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 4: Are you turning your phone? You know, vertical horizontal? That's 402 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 4: queuing that. 403 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: Maybe that's usually a cue by the way, right, Yeah, Hey, Julie, 404 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask this as well. Julia were last 405 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: as my guest. She was formerly with the Horizon League, 406 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: now with Pacer Sports and Entertainment, And we'll get you 407 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: the full schedule everybody of games upcoming, including a very 408 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,479 Speaker 1: busy Easter Sunday on at Gambridge Field House coming up 409 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: Sunday with championships for the NIT as well as Division 410 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: two and three that are taking place. Julie, when you 411 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: look at the Horizon League itself, and I know that, 412 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: you know, they're championships that were just held at the 413 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: Coliseum and the Fairgrounds, and now the announcement that they 414 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: will move that to up where the Noblesville Boom play 415 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken in Noblesville for next year and 416 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 1: that move. But the Horizon League in general, and the 417 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: moving forward with the NCAA tournament and in even trying 418 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: to get to the point of always trying to become 419 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: a two team league, which everybody does because of the 420 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: financial aspect that comes with that. What are some of 421 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: the challenges or for that matter, even optimistic aspects of 422 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: the Horizon League. And I bring up that league because 423 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: you worked there, but also because they're based right here 424 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. 425 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 4: Sure, I think. I mean we're seeing now with the 426 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 4: whole landscape shift of name, image, likeness or nil, that 427 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 4: gap between the highly resourced programs which are mainly the 428 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 4: power for conferences, and I throw the Big East in 429 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 4: there too, and the rest is just widened. So that 430 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 4: makes it harder for the league as strong as the 431 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 4: Horizon League to say, yes, our strategy and we're going 432 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 4: to judge success and failure by getting a second team 433 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 4: in where our league shifted, and I think some others 434 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 4: have is saying yeah, of course we would love to 435 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 4: have a second team in. But for our league champion, 436 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 4: we also care a whole lot about what seed they 437 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 4: have in that insay bracket. So, for instance, when Oakland 438 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 4: a few years ago was awarded the thirteen seed instead 439 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 4: of the fourteen seed, and then that master them against Kentucky, 440 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 4: they were the best, They were a very strong thirteen seed. 441 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 4: I think Kentucky was the worst fourth seed, if that 442 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 4: makes sense, right right, Well, But the point was that 443 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 4: really mattered, even though it was still an upset and 444 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 4: people are still talking about it. Had Oakland been a 445 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 4: fourteen seed, the percentage a chance of them winning goes 446 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 4: down pretty significantly, and then frankly, the real barrier is 447 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 4: if you can break a twelve seed or better than 448 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 4: your chances of winning as you might expect, really start 449 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 4: to climb into realistic So, yeah, you see twelve seeds 450 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 4: win and it's an upset, but not nearly as much 451 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 4: statistically speaking as a thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, and then of 452 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 4: course sixteen or those. We can list those on one hand. 453 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 4: So from a horizon like perspective, it's a long answer, 454 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 4: but we started to really say, hey, the strategy here 455 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 4: isn't just to get a second team in. It's to 456 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 4: really have a strong seed path because even winning a 457 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 4: game then you earn another unit and that has the 458 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 4: same financial impact as getting a second team in. 459 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: How hard is it though, because part of elevating your 460 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: profile to improve your seeding would be playing games in 461 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: November or December that go into that quad one or 462 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: quad too. But yet, isn't it difficult for an Oakland 463 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: or an IU in d or a Robert Morris to 464 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: go and schedule a power for school because those schools 465 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: see that as high risk, little reward, right, well. 466 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 4: Not necessarily, because the power school is like that, like 467 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 4: the win right, because they're they're either trying to build 468 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 4: their team and bring brand together, especially now because it's 469 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 4: mainly new rosters, so they're willing to pay teams to 470 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 4: come in. So it's a nice payday for our school. 471 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 4: For the mid majors. And for instance, the Oakland year 472 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 4: when they had the thirteen seed, they played Xavier and 473 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 4: they won, and that ended up being a quad one 474 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 4: because it was on the road for them. But then 475 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 4: they also went on the road and played three or 476 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,239 Speaker 4: four other Power force schools lost, but the margin they 477 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 4: didn't get blown out, right, and the margin matters whenever 478 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 4: it comes to the NCAA. Statistics are net as it's called. 479 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 4: So it ended up like all of those factors matter. 480 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 4: But what you do before league play starts for any 481 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 4: conference really matters how you're seated. But once selection Sunday 482 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 4: comes around. 483 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: It's my understanding that when this is all Juli ra 484 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: Lash is my guest from Pacer Sports and Entertainment, and 485 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of work to be done 486 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: between now and the end of the weekend, and then 487 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: with anybody, you like to kind of get away once 488 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: all of the work is done and maybe catch your 489 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: breath a little bit. Now, My understanding is that you 490 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: occasionally will go fish when you relax. Is that correct? 491 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 4: I do, yes, I don't fish for that Hawaiian state fish. Well, 492 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 4: I loved a bass fish. 493 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: So have you ever caught a reef trigger fish? By chance? 494 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 4: I have not. 495 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 1: Are you familiar with the reef triggerfish? Okay, Well, that's 496 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: kind of the common term for it, more specifically known 497 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: as the humuhuma nuka nukuapuah, which happens to be the 498 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: state fish Hawaii. And that is spelled if you'd like 499 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: to look it up, h U m u, h u 500 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: m u you in uk you in uk you a p u, 501 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: A little squiggly thing, a apostrophe. Well, it's an apostrophe, 502 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 1: but it's Hawaiian, right, So it's it's kind of like 503 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: those rolls, like you think it's a role, but it's 504 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 1: a Hawaiian role. Tastes a little different, little sweeter, there's 505 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: a little sweeter Aposta. 506 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 3: The most impressive part about that, Julie, is that he 507 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 3: was staring at me the entire time. He wasn't reading 508 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 3: off like a monitor. 509 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: Screen or really like that. Listen, Julie, and and and 510 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: I know that you know, you've got bigger fish to 511 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: fry here. Pardon the pund on your day, but I 512 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: should leave you with this just so you know. You 513 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 1: are talking to the nineteen eighty four Allisonville Elementary School 514 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: spelling Bee runner up, And would you like to know 515 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: the word that ousted me and the spelling bee. 516 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 4: I'm really curious. 517 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 1: I'm sure that this is at the top of your 518 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: list of things that you were thinking about today. Carfair 519 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: is the word that I missed? Carfair? Now, I went 520 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: cr fa, and then all of a sudden, I thought 521 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 1: of that scene from Breaking Away where the guy has 522 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: the car lot with all the flags everywhere, and I, well, 523 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: I mean quite frankly, I choked and I went, I 524 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: are car fair? Okay, well it's obviously car far e. Now, 525 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: Jody Sheer had to spell a word to win the 526 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: spelling bee. So I still have a hope and a 527 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: prayer here, right, I still have a hope and a prayer, right, 528 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: you know, like I'm Braylan Mullins. The ball is coming 529 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: back to me. I've got a shot here, right, Let's 530 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: take it. Jody Shear, you want to know the words 531 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: she had to spell to win? Yes, car Hop. Yeah, exactly, 532 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: exactly right. 533 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 4: Well, you guys were probably in overtime, that's my guest, 534 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 4: so they had to give her again. May just to 535 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 4: close it. 536 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: Well, I will tell you it speaks volumes about the 537 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,719 Speaker 1: spelling aptitude of Allisonville Elementary School that the final two 538 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: and we were only into the seas of the actual 539 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: listing of words. And the fact that she got car 540 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: Hop forty two years later. I've never once seen Jody 541 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: sheare in my life without mentioning car Hop incredulously because 542 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: I consider it to be one of the great rob 543 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: jobs in the history of sport. Guess that, Julie. 544 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 3: I do have a question, with all three of these 545 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 3: games happening on Sunday between the n Championship Division two 546 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 3: and Division three, is there a ticket that someone can 547 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 3: purchase to see all three games? Or is every game 548 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 3: ticket sold individually? 549 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 4: No one ticket at games you had missioned for all three? 550 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: Are tickets still available? 551 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 4: Yes, we would love to see you come join us. 552 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: Because that, honestly, that is what an awesome opportunity to 553 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: come down. And I also noticed by the way and 554 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: the schools that are participating in this. Okay, you've got 555 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: the University of Mary Washington and Emory. That is the 556 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: Division three championship, Division two championship, Gannon and Lander, and 557 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: then the NIT of course the finals will be set 558 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: as well. I did notice we did some research on this, Julie. 559 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: The University of Mary Washington was originally labeled as when 560 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: it opened in nineteen oh eight, the normal school for women, 561 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: and I'd like to know what the women were like 562 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: at the rival school. 563 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 4: For what it's worth, right, that's fair. 564 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: Yes, normal school for women, but that is now Mary Washington, 565 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: named for the mother of George Washington, who also had 566 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: mashed potatoes. Julie, we appreciate the time as always and 567 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: probably will try to make it over on Sunday. It's 568 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: going to be a great day of basketball, great weekend 569 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: of basketball, and on behalf of not just myself but 570 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: the fans and the people of Indianapolis. Thank you to 571 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: you and everybody else for helping put it together, because 572 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: once again it'll be the ultimate stage for our fair city. 573 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 4: We appreciate it well, thank you. It's our privilege. 574 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: Julie, were last joining me on the program