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Speaker 1: This song prominently featured in Office Space. Keep that in

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Speaker 1: Java House Colbrew Coffee guest line. After a long executive

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Speaker 1: Hoosiers his alma mater, and he joins me now on

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Speaker 1: the program. Ryan, how are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great. It's good to be with you.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Let's and I know that some of the things

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Speaker 1: that I'm going to ask and we're going to go

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Speaker 1: over here are things that are obvious to the two

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Speaker 1: followed your journey. But at the same time, knowing that

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Speaker 1: many listening may not know the background of it, I

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Speaker 1: think it's pertinent. So I wanted to go back to it. Okay, sure,

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Speaker 1: you grew up and see if I can get this correct.

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Speaker 1: You grew up in pall Up, Washington. I don't if

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that correctly, and went to Rogers High school.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's phenomenally close for someone that did not

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Speaker 1: Okay, how do you actually say how do you actually

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Speaker 2: I mean you were you were ninety eight percent of

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Speaker 2: the way to saying that correctly.

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Speaker 1: Pew ollup right, Yeah, like a church pew pew olyup. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so Washington or like those friends in the Star Wars. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there you go, right pretty much?

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Speaker 2: Okay, exactly.

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Speaker 1: So let's begin with this because the journey is pertinent

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Speaker 1: to where you are now. And this factoid is, how

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Speaker 1: does a kid from Pewallup, Washington, aside from driving a

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Speaker 2: That's a that's a great question. And I, you know,

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Speaker 2: I from the time I was probably in late elementary school.

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Speaker 2: being on it like a YMCA. I just I loved it. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: last second I ever played, I was the smallest, stroniest,

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Speaker 2: long as I could, and I was able to play

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Speaker 2: on teams all the way up until my senior year

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Speaker 2: of high school, and I didn't make the team as

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Speaker 2: a senior, And shout out to my coaches and in

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Speaker 2: particular the high school coach at at Rogers High School

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Speaker 2: that you mentioned, Rod Iverson. Coach Iverson, even though he

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Speaker 2: I was. He and his son who was like an

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Speaker 2: and during that time, I wrote letters. Back then, their

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Speaker 2: originally I didn't even write a letter to Indiana. My

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Speaker 2: and he loved Coach Night. It was shortly, you know,

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Speaker 2: So I did. Well. Of all those letters, I only

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Speaker 2: In that letter, which is hanging on my wall and

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Speaker 2: very you know, very udoubtedly one of the smallest decisions

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Speaker 2: Coach and I had ever made his life. He let

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Speaker 1: You had never been on the Indiana campus, right.

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Speaker 2: No, no way, I'd never been in the Midwest. I

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Speaker 1: You know, when you're driving down thirty seven, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Well I was gonna say, when you're driving down thirty

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Well, Brown County and southern Indiana does have

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Speaker 1: Well, you'll be looking for a while.

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Speaker 2: It's find on the first drive from the airport down

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Speaker 2: Obviously Hoosiers had come out not too long before that

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you and I think most people know by

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Speaker 1: then after your time in Indiana, you you know, you

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Speaker 1: ultimately a connection with Larry Bird got you hired. Really Ryan,

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Speaker 2: Oh heah for sure. Yeah. So so my first my

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Speaker 2: got hired to do as a video intern for the Pacers.

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Speaker 2: This was in the like September nineteen ninety seven. Larry

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Speaker 2: and they need you know, as a manager here. I

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Speaker 2: do that. Yes, that internship was was very low paying.

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Speaker 2: They pay was thirty dollars a home game, so that

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Speaker 2: They didn't let me handle food, They didn't I didn't

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Speaker 2: from Dan Burke and Rick Carlisle, Dick Harter and Larry

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Speaker 1: So Ryan, when you were with the pacers and so

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Speaker 1: so now that brings us to the meat of the

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Speaker 1: matter here, right, You're working for the Pacers. You've been

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Speaker 1: there for a quarter century. You've worked your way up

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Speaker 1: and I know what that franchise meant to you. So

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Speaker 1: the first question would be this, why leave?

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Speaker 2: That's a you know, there was no pressure. Certainly, I

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Speaker 2: during my cheery advised last week of how you know,

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Speaker 2: it's it's obvious how much number one, the people there

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Speaker 2: mean to me, from mister Simon and Steve Simon, mister Rails,

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Speaker 2: who over the past few years I got to interact

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Speaker 2: with tremendously, as you know, kind of part of the

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Speaker 2: and all that, all the way down to everybody. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I've been there so long and I you know, obviously

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Speaker 2: it's a job and we're putting together a team, but

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Speaker 2: it's really people, and you developed these very close relationships

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Speaker 2: and and all of that, and it was as you said, look,

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Speaker 2: again next year. You know, when when the call came

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Speaker 2: the years I've put I've put very very little thought

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Speaker 1: So Indiana and Indiana reached out to you, not the

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Speaker 1: other way around.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they coach Debreez called Chad and asked for permission

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Speaker 2: to talk to me about this job that they wanted

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Speaker 2: before he took the job, I met him and you know,

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Speaker 2: love them, and you know there and the guy I mean,

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00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 2: I just think about like Obi has been out and

436
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: he spends a ton of the game just like interacting

437
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 2: with fans and signing autographs and taking pictures and just

438
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,719
Speaker 2: you know, like, but yeah, just kudos to to all

439
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 2: the Pacers fans out there who have who have stuck

440
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 2: through this year and and believed, and I hope that

441
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 2: the Hoosier fans would will do the same as UH

442
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,199
Speaker 2: as we get get ready to start building this this

443
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 2: team uh into a high caliber team as well.

444
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Speaker 1: Ryan. Lastly, if Indiana is to end up, and when

445
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: I say Indiana, I mean the Pacers. Okay, if they

446
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: were to end up with one of the draft picks

447
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: that they retain, which would be one through four, and

448
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: I know that they could do so they're in the

449
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: latter half of the first round. But let's say, for

450
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: the sake of discussion, they do get a one to

451
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 1: four pick. Is it safe to say that the player

452
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 1: they would be acquiring would be one that is an

453
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: accentuation to the roster and probably not one that comes

454
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: in and becomes a starter. Or is it that deep

455
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 1: a class where that discussion can be had.

456
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, the Pacers team is so good,

457
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: you know that that there's no pressure from any any

458
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 2: player in the in the draft to come in and

459
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 2: have to, you know, shoulder a massive burden. I do

460
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: believe that this draft is is one of the best

461
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 2: in all my years, you know, maybe by a margin.

462
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 2: Like this, This draft, even during the years, seems to

463
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 2: be getting better and better in the top ten or so,

464
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 2: as players keep improving and showing what they can do.

465
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Speaker 1: So does it have a clear number one?

466
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Speaker 2: I don't think there's a clear number one, but I

467
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 2: think there's a phenomenal like top group and and you know,

468
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: you could debate exactly how it gets sliced up in

469
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 2: terms of tears or whatever, but I would say probably

470
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 2: down to seven or eight. I mean, you're getting you're

471
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 2: getting a player that in the right situation can be

472
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: an awful, you know, good difference maker in time may

473
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: not maybe day one, maybe you know, year two, year three, whatever,

474
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 2: but but there's there's some special, special players in this draft.

475
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: Lastly, Ryan, for you personally, you know again and for

476
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: those that don't know, maybe I should have mentioned it.

477
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: I mean, we knew each other in college, we were

478
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: neighbors in college. We've been friends since college. I think

479
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: most people know that that listen to the program, But

480
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: you know, I know what, and I think that when

481
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: I was a kid growing up, I really felt like

482
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: you had to be from Indiana to get Indiana. And

483
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Speaker 1: then I saw you and met you and saw how

484
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: much what is great about Indiana and the people of

485
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: Indiana was instilled in you the same way. You know,

486
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: from where you grew up and you came here and

487
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: Indiana you became a part of Indiana and vice versa. Right,

488
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: So for you, what will the date be when you

489
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: walk into Assembly Hall and look down and you realize

490
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: you have the keys to every single door within that facility,

491
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: and you can go into Coach Knight's old office, assuming

492
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: it still looks the same, or the locker room or whatever.

493
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: And when is the moment where it will actually hit you,

494
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: where that doesn't continue to blow you away.

495
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: I think that's impossible. I think that you know, for

496
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 2: as many days that I'm employed here, just I mean,

497
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 2: I just know that when I was a student, every

498
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: day I got to walk in the building was a joy,

499
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 2: and just I was humbled to be a part of it.

500
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: And certainly the first I think this is my fourth

501
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 2: official day on the job, it's every bit the same

502
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 2: as uh and it I just can't imagine that that

503
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 2: it won't ever be that way. I get the history

504
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: of this place. Again I said, I didn't take this

505
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: job for the nostalgia, But I get it. I know

506
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 2: it like the back of my hand. I know so

507
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 2: many of the principal players in it. I've I've got

508
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: to know them personally, whether it's Coach Knight and that

509
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 2: and his family and or all the former players and

510
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 2: these these people that you know have have built this place.

511
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: And I get that like I get it for me,

512
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: uh and I said this before this, This is there's

513
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: like I think part of the cool part of taking

514
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: this job for me was there's no more worrying about

515
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: what my next step is in my career. Could I

516
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: get another job? Is there a promotion to get none

517
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 2: of None of that. All that is taken care of.

518
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 2: This is this is really a passion project to help

519
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: coach degrees and help help these guys in every possible

520
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: way I can given all that, all that I've learned,

521
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: And it's kind of crazy that college athletics would wind

522
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: itself around to to really need somebody that's you know,

523
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: that's been in the NBA for so long, with the

524
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: skills I've gotten. But this, this for me is I mean,

525
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: I'm so excited. I don't know if you can hear that,

526
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: but I just it means the world that they would

527
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: want me to come here and do this at this

528
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: place that you know, again, circling back to the very

529
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: start of our discussion that on a very throwaway decision

530
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: for coach Night, you know, he said, oh yeah, sure,

531
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 2: this kid, you know can come be a manager and

532
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: you know whatever, And for all these years later to

533
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: come back in this position in it with a chance

534
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: to to help and serve this place and serve these

535
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: people and and do everything I can to help you know,

536
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: this place win, like we all believe that it should

537
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: and can, and it may not be overnight, and you know,

538
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: it may take a little bit to get kind of

539
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 2: the roster where we need to get it, because you

540
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 2: can't be building entire teams out of the portal every

541
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: year like like has happened last couple of years. It

542
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 2: makes it very very hard. But we're going to get there.

543
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: And I'm more confident today than when I said yes

544
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: to do this job. And yeah, I mean you won't

545
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: see me here without a smile on my face. I

546
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: mean the hard days are going to be a joy

547
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: and and there will be hard days and they'll be challenges,

548
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: but I'm so excited to do it. I love this place.

549
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: I want to, you know, repay all those who have

550
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: who have helped me to even make a chance, Like

551
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: you knew me, Jake, Like at twenty years old, when

552
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 2: we're you know, doing whatever we're doing, that was really

553
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: pretty boring because neither of us really had a whole

554
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: lot of fun. I mean, if you would have said, hey,

555
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: Ryan in thirty years you're going to go back and

556
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: you're going to be in a leadership role at that

557
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: basketball program and have a chance to help help a

558
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: coach succeed there. I mean, you know what I mean.

559
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: Listen, I would have said, you would have me if

560
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: I would have said thirty years from now you're going

561
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: to be the executive director of Indiana Basketball and I'll

562
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: be interviewing interviewing you in India about it, we would

563
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: have said, well, half of that might happen, and it

564
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: would have been your half, not mine, right, I listen,

565
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: and then I'd say, and at that point, I will

566
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: have only been at IU Alum for fifteen months, you

567
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean, that's the part that was the

568
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: most believable of the whole equation.

569
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: I agree. I'd actually agree with that. Well, thanks could

570
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: have for you them for helping you finish that.

571
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: That's right, Well, Ryan, best of luck, man. I'm thrilled

572
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: for you. I think that's obvious and I think it's

573
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: a great story and we look forward to seeing what

574
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: you can do down there. I appreciate the time, and

575
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: we'll have you back.

576
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 2: On all right, Yeah, anytime, Thanks shake all right.

577
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: Ryan Carr, the executive director of Indiana basketball Women's Big

578
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: Ten Tournament getting underway Gamebridge Field House. Matter of fact,

579
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: Indiana taking on Nebraska coming up just after we are

580
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: off the air today and squeeze, I got sandwich. I

581
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: very much appreciate because they're getting ready to get underway.

582
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: She is the women's basketball coach at Indiana, of course,

583
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: a former National Coach of the Year and a native

584
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: of Seymour, Indiana. Terry Morin joining us on the Java

585
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: House Cold Brew Coffee gas line. First off, Coach, Thanks

586
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: so much, how are you?

587
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm great. Thanks for having me.

588
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: Hey this time of year. I'm always curious about this

589
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,479
Speaker 1: from a coaching standpoint because you know, I love it,

590
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: and I know that basketball junkies love the tournament aspect

591
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: of it, but just the boom boom nature of it.

592
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: How is it different preparing for this than the regular season?

593
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, just you hit it on the head.

594
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 3: It's just a turnaround time. But you know, you're you're

595
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 3: looking ahead at the bracket, and so you know, you

596
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 3: get a couple of days prior to us, you know,

597
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 3: leaving that, you know, and you're you're trying to prepare

598
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 3: for a couple of teams, right you know, we know

599
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 3: this that obviously you get to prepare for Nebraska, but

600
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 3: should we win, you know, we're probably going to see

601
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: a really good Ohio State team that loves to press.

602
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 3: So you try to put some things into practice that

603
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 3: you know that you're gonna get past that first round.

604
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 3: Our folks, total focus is on Nebraska, but you have

605
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,479
Speaker 3: to also be thinking about down the road, you know

606
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 3: what perhaps other things you may have to you know,

607
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 3: see and you're not going to have a lot of

608
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 3: prep time in between, and you're at home when you

609
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 3: got your practice squad and they can simulate a lot

610
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 3: of you know, the things we're going to have to uh,

611
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 3: you know play again. So you know, those are the things.

612
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 3: You know. As a coach, you just you're always thinking

613
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 3: ahead of Okay, what else? What are the things do

614
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 3: we need to be thinking about out side are in

615
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 3: addition to the team that we're going to play in Nebraska?

616
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: You know. One of the things one of the things

617
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: coach that to me is interesting Terry Moore and is

618
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: my guest, the Indiana women's basketball coach. I think those

619
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: of us in the media or fans in general look

620
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,919
Speaker 1: at coaches and we look at what the coach would

621
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: deem as a successful season, and we judge it just

622
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: based on the wins and losses, and we don't finite

623
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 1: the things that a team has to go through over

624
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: the course of a season. You have a group that

625
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,959
Speaker 1: lost a really good player due to injury, and Saviasoka

626
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: and Gooman that gets hurt, goes down. You've got to

627
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: kind of reinvent in a couple of ways. You have

628
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: a long January where you go through and now all

629
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: of a sudden you come out of that situation. You've

630
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: won three straight and you have other players that have

631
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 1: stepped up a little bit. Are you proud of this group?

632
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 3: Oh, no question, you know. And again we had the

633
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 3: for most of of non conference and and then you know,

634
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 3: she she gets hurt, uh, you know twice. Uh, and

635
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 3: then you don't have her at all. And then, uh,

636
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 3: you know, we have a little bit of a setback.

637
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 3: You know, sha Chesky, who by all the means is

638
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 3: you know, had an unbelievable year. Uh, you know, Tweaks

639
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 3: your anchor at Ankle at USC and we don't have her,

640
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 3: you know, out in California. So this team has been

641
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 3: you know, through a lot of adversity, and adversity to

642
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 3: your point that you know, the outside world pundits, they

643
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 3: don't even know. Uh and uh, you know, the one

644
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 3: thing that has been consistent about this group is that

645
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 3: they've stuck together. But they've also also continued to show

646
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 3: up every day for practice and and and and have

647
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 3: tried to do what we've asked them to do. I

648
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 3: think they have gotten better, they've improved.

649
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 2: Uh.

650
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 3: I think they feel like they're playing some of their

651
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 3: best basketball right now. And you know, it's it's it's

652
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 3: just one of those things that I think happens in

653
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 3: the nature of what we do. I mean, you know

654
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 3: every year, you know what you talk about. You know,

655
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 3: if we can get through this season without injuries, we

656
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 3: have a shot, right and uh, you know, it was

657
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 3: one of those years where we were a young team. Also,

658
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 3: you know, we start two freshmen, three freshmen if you

659
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 3: want to count Nae Beaumont, who's really a sophomore, but

660
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: hadn't played any significant minutes. Neither had Ze. So this

661
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 3: is a very very young basketball team. You know that

662
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 3: we were you know that we're playing a lot of minutes,

663
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 3: and and then we had to do we had to

664
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 3: endure some of those injuries, which was unfortunate, but yeah,

665
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 3: it's Uh, I'm really really proud of this group. And

666
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 3: you know, those of us that sit in that dome

667
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: room every day that are in that circle, Uh, you know,

668
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 3: we we know what we've had to endure. Uh. And

669
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 3: I think because of that, you know, Uh, that's what's

670
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 3: made this group so connected.

671
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: Which is a bigger challenge as a coach when you

672
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: have let's say attrition, okay, and you've got to retweak

673
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 1: a lineup. Is it more difficult to change schematically based

674
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: on the personnel now available to you? Or is it

675
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: a bigger challenge to get the to look at it

676
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, I've got a scheme. I've got to

677
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: find the players to fit that scheme. Is it easier

678
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: to get players to conform for the coach to.

679
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think it's easier for me to

680
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 3: have to, you know, tweak what our personnel looks like, right,

681
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 3: and one of the things that I can run inside

682
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 3: of what that personnel looks like. That's what that's what

683
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 3: I'm referring to. So you know, certainly when I had

684
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 3: Z there were actions that I thought were really good

685
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 3: for her, right that we could use because I'm a

686
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 3: big believer in this. You have to have low presence,

687
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 3: a low post presence for you to have an efficient offense, right,

688
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 3: And so the one thing that d did give us

689
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: was that low post presence. The thing that's been unique

690
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 3: about Odessa moving her into that starting position is that

691
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 3: she's not really a low block, back to the ask

692
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 3: it kind of player. She is more face up, she's

693
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 3: more a mess. And so because of that, I've had

694
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 3: to sort of eliminate or readjust my my, my offensive

695
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 3: play sheet, you know, to make sure that if there's

696
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 3: any actions, it's not it's going to be what what

697
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 3: what are what are adjusted strengths? How can I set

698
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 3: her up for success? And so yeah, we'd had a

699
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 3: tweak quite a bit of things offensively, and and so

700
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 3: I think it's if anybody's had to adjust to it,

701
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 3: it's been our staff and that and that's fine. I

702
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 3: mean we've we've found different ways to score the ball.

703
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 3: And like I said, I feel like here is of late.

704
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 3: You know, Maya Muskolevski and nevea Cafe. I mean they've

705
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 3: really done a nice job as freshmen of really finding

706
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 3: their niche for us and where they can help us

707
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 3: score the ball. And so you know, you know, when

708
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 3: you do it, as long as I've done it, it's

709
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 3: a freshman are going to continue to get better, right

710
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 3: and and and even you know early on, maybe when

711
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 3: they weren't in this, you know, scoring the points, you

712
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 3: just knew it as a matter of time before they

713
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 3: were going to find their way and find those spots

714
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 3: where they could help us. And you know, here in

715
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 3: the last probably two or three weeks, two of the

716
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 3: both of them, have have been unbelievably helpful in taking

717
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of that pressure off of

718
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 3: Shay because they're now looking to score the ball, you know,

719
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 3: in ways that you know suits them. Right, They're not

720
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 3: forcing anything. They're just kind of a let allowing the

721
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: game to come to them. But they're also scoring force,

722
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 3: which is an added bonus.

723
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: You just mentioned Maya mcauleski, which is you know, from

724
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: Haile in Southeastern. She of course a young player for

725
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: you and has gotten some conference honors of late. What

726
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: has facilitated I thought that really her growth here coach

727
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: in the last month or so has been so big

728
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: for you. What has facilitated that growth for her?

729
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think One of the things that

730
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 3: you know, you have to remind your freshmen is that

731
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 3: it is a process, right, and there's a lot of

732
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 3: things that they're going to get wrong before they get right. Uh.

733
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 3: And and so I think she's been one of those

734
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 3: kids that has continued in the vey of both. Right,

735
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 3: you have to be coachable, you have to be willing

736
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 3: uh to be coached. And you know, both of them

737
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 3: have a great temperament. I mean I can coach them hard.

738
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 3: Our staff can coach them hard. And I think that's

739
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 3: really good because you know, if you can't, then it's

740
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 3: really hard for those kids to to you know, you

741
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 3: see any growth or to improve. And so, you know,

742
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,439
Speaker 3: we got too freshmen, but Maya has really I think

743
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 3: we're her biggest growth. We all know this, right, she

744
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 3: could shoot it, uh, but I think her biggest growth

745
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 3: has come on those defensive side of the ball. Uh

746
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 3: And uh. You know that was one of the things

747
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 3: early on that probably you know she wasn't in the

748
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 3: lineup early for us. It was it was really just

749
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 3: because of you know, she had to she had to

750
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 3: improve defensively for us. And it's never on the ball.

751
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 3: It's always a way from the ball. Where the freshman

752
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 3: seem to have the biggest learning curve because at this level,

753
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 3: you know, there's so many things that happened away from

754
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 3: the ball that if you're not in rotation, you're not

755
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 3: where you need to be. You get punished really fast.

756
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,959
Speaker 3: And and so what I'm proud of Maya is that

757
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 3: she recognized that she was that was the one area

758
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: that she had to improve on in order to get

759
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 3: herself on the on the on the floor, and and uh,

760
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 3: you know, throughout the last you know, two or three months,

761
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 3: she's really improved in that area, which again has been

762
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 3: another thing that's been very helpful to our team. And

763
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 3: so I'm proud of her because you said, I we

764
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 3: coach your heart and she she you know, we love

765
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 3: her up too, but we coach her heart and she's

766
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 3: really accepted the coaching piece of it, uh and has

767
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 3: tried really hard to improve and get better for us.

768
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 3: But I mean, you know, the ward you know that

769
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 3: she just got, you know, to be be named on

770
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 3: the All Freshmen that says a lot about you know,

771
00:41:58,239 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 3: her and what kind of a player and what kind

772
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 3: of a future you know she has.

773
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: Your in Blimington, Terry Morrien's group of seventeen and thirteen

774
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: winners of three straight. Coach, did you ever watch ted

775
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: Lasso by chance?

776
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, I love Ted Laso. Yeah another yeah, yeah,

777
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 3: what sees another? Uh? Whatever's coming out?

778
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 2: Right?

779
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 3: Another one?

780
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 4: I know?

781
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. I feel like it's going to

782
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 1: be three years now. Supposedly it's upcoming, but I'm just hoping.

783
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: I don't think I'll forget all the storylines by the

784
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: time it airs, but maybe we'll have to just rewatch

785
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: it right in order to get ready for it. But

786
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: the famous line in it is you got to have

787
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: the memory of a goldfish. And I would imagine this

788
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: time of year, that's as important as any because if

789
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: you survive in advance, but a player makes mistakes, you

790
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: got a quick turn around on it, and you've got

791
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: to be able to just put that in the rear

792
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: view mirror. I guess you got to kind of emphasize

793
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: that to your.

794
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 3: Players, right, Yeah, Yeah, there's no doubt that you do.

795
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 3: You know, we've talked about that quite a bit, especially

796
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: early on when we started our training, right, you know,

797
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 3: talking about the mistakes are going to be made. It's

798
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 3: not a perfect game, but make your mistake going as

799
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 3: hard as you can. But I think also at this

800
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 3: time of the year, you know, you have to have

801
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 3: that yellow sign of you know, above, whether it's invisible

802
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 3: or not, You've got to believe right that you can,

803
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 3: you know, come into this tournament and you know you

804
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 3: you always got to you know, get past the first

805
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 3: one to get to the next round. But I like

806
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 3: how we're playing right now. I like I think, like

807
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 3: I said, I feel like our kids have a lot

808
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 3: of confidence, which is good. And I do think they

809
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 3: have a belief that they are you know, uh, this

810
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 3: is a new season, and I think they're looking at that,

811
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 3: looking at it as an awesome opportunity, uh, you know

812
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 3: for us to you know, win some games here in

813
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 3: the next you know.

814
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: Several days again. Coming up later this afternoon, Indiana, Nebraska

815
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: to start things out big Big Ten Women's Tournament gamebridge

816
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: Field House. Coach, we have tickets to give away for

817
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: someone to be able to go and watch the Big

818
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: Ten Women's Tournament, hopefully watch your ladies in person this weekend.

819
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna do it by giving it to a caller.

820
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: Not so I'd like to know Coach Terry Moore and

821
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: will let you pick number one through ten. Give me

822
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: your favorite number one through ten.

823
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: My favorite number, it'll be caller number.

824
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: Four, caller number four. All right, there we go, call

825
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,919
Speaker 1: he number four, two, nine, ten, seventy. You are on

826
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: your way to the Big ten Women's Tournament. Coach, best

827
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: of luck. Certainly appreciate it on kind of short notice here,

828
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: but we wish you the best and look forward to

829
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: talking to you again.

830
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 3: Thank you. I appreciate it.

831
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: We ran a little long there, and I apologize. Usually

832
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,959
Speaker 1: we're pretty on it when it comes to the clock

833
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: at the top of the hour. And then I felt

834
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: bad because I realized Joel Erickson, because he's you know,

835
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: this guy's a pros pro. And my understanding is he

836
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: was inside of he was enjoying himself some lunch at

837
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: a Chuck e Cheese and it was very loud, so

838
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: he stepped outside so that things would be clear for

839
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: the phone call. And he's been waiting outside in the

840
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: cold now for seven minutes for me to bring him

841
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: on because he didn't want the mayhem at the Chuck

842
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 1: e Cheese taking place inside. But he loves the pizza there.

843
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: But then I thought about the fact that he's a

844
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: Wisconsin I so this is basically, you know, this is

845
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: Jamaica to him outside, I mean, he's used to this crap, right,

846
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: he joins us. Now from the Indianapolis Star on the

847
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,919
Speaker 1: Java House Colbrew Coffee guest line, Joel A. Erickson, Joel,

848
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: you're warming up, okay outside the chuck E Cheese.

849
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 4: I'm I'm in the middle of this. Will this will

850
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 4: interest you. I'm in the middle of changing the beer

851
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 4: out from one beer fridge to a new beer fridge.

852
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, well, speaking of Wisconsin things, so wait, this

853
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,959
Speaker 1: is now in most places this means a little micro

854
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: dorm fridge. In Wisconsin, it actually means one of those

855
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: basically Woodman's size freezers that you put your beer in. Right, yeah,

856
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: we replaced.

857
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 4: We replaced our actual fridge, and then the one that

858
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 4: we had is just going into the.

859
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: Garage because who needs food?

860
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 4: Right yeah, exactly, exactly like it. It's a little bit

861
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 4: upsetting whenever there's water in the beer fridge. You don't

862
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 4: you don't even want that, Like it's it's supposed to

863
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 4: be a sacred place.

864
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: May I guess the two beers that you're putting inside

865
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: the beer fridge absolutely are these both beers that are

866
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: made in your home state.

867
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 4: They are.

868
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: This it's easier. Are both of them available only in

869
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:14,479
Speaker 1: your home state?

870
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 4: They are.

871
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: I'm going with spotted cow hey, yep. And then I'm

872
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: going to go with a variation here and say it's

873
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 1: that one squirrel one.

874
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 4: It's the squirrel one?

875
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 2: Is it?

876
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: Really?

877
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 4: It is?

878
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 1: You nailed it, Joel. I'm not gonna lie to you.

879
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: This makes me a little uncomfortable. Speaking of uncomfortable, the

880
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: cults might be in an uncomfortable situation because Eddie, please,

881
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: if you could queue it up. Alec Pierce earlier today

882
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: going on with upping Atoms with k Adams, and I

883
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: want you to hear this, Joel. I know you already have,

884
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: but listen to what Alec Pierce had to say now

885
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: about the upcoming free agency and potentially entering it.

886
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 5: I love Indy, I've loved playing their great organza, great

887
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 5: people in the city. You know, just a lot, a

888
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 5: ton of support. I know we haven't been as good

889
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 5: as we could be, and I know we can be,

890
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 5: but yeah, not at this point. Kind of earned the

891
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 5: right to explore free agency, see what's out there, make

892
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 5: a decision that's best for my career and for my family.

893
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: So, Joe, your thoughts on that. That sounds to me

894
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: like a guy that even if the Colts make an offer,

895
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: he's gonna sit there and wait to see what's out there. Right.

896
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that was really interesting because that's different from

897
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 4: what the position that Alec Pierce has has traditionally taken.

898
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 4: You know, most of his times here he has been Honestly,

899
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 4: he's probably he's probably had stuff that he could say

900
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 4: that he has decided not to just in terms of

901
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 4: early in his career, guys not getting him the ball

902
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 4: when he was open deep. He could have begged for it,

903
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 4: he could have done some of that.

904
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 2: And he didn't do it.

905
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 4: But today today that sounds a lot more like a

906
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 4: player who is is finally, I guess deciding that you know,

907
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 4: I've got some you know, this is my chance to

908
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 4: kind of have my individual look at things.

909
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: But Joel, it's in his best interest at this point,

910
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: is it not. The reality is that Alec Pierce, as

911
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: a free agent, seemingly his value has gone up each

912
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: and every month because he is the pre eminent free

913
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 1: agent at his position that's going to be in the market.

914
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: And so if you're his agent, you're saying to him,

915
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: absolutely create a bidding war here. Do not make it

916
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: sound like teams should not pick up the phone and call.

917
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: Now all of a sudden, everybody's ears per cup and

918
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: they're interested. What a do I guess do you agree

919
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 1: with that? And b what do you think the number

920
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: is that it's going to take to keep him?

921
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 4: Well? You know, I know from talking to people last

922
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 4: week in Indy just that there are lots of teams

923
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 4: that kind of look at Alec Pierce and see somebody,

924
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 4: you know that they want to have. You know, I

925
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 4: had somebody from Kansas City said to me, you know

926
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 4: that we've drafted like three guys trying to get somebody

927
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 4: who can do what he does. New England is another

928
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,720
Speaker 4: one that I know is has been kind of sniffing around.

929
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 4: There's there's other there's there's he's the number one receiver

930
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 4: on the market. Dallas placed the franchise tag on George Pickens.

931
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 4: So there's not even a question of which flavor do

932
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 4: you like, it's it's it's just Pierce in terms of

933
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 4: the top receiver on the market. And you know, I

934
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 4: know Colts fans, there's there's sticker shocking free agency every year,

935
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 4: where I think for all of us we go, wait,

936
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 4: we forgot the cap went up, and that means that

937
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 4: every everything else is going up. But you know, there's

938
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 4: there's a there's a chance that if you if he's

939
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 4: on the open market, that he's pushing into that thirty

940
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 4: million dollars a year range.

941
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 1: How bad did the Colts screw this up? I mean,

942
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: you've got you couldn't get Jones inked, so you had

943
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: to use the tag on him, which means you can't

944
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,919
Speaker 1: tag Pierce. Now Pierce May I'm not saying he will,

945
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: but he may leave and then Jones, if somebody else

946
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: comes along to make an offer, then we'll see what

947
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:10,439
Speaker 1: happens with that. But this seems as though Joel, I'm

948
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: not saying it's going to go this way, but it is.

949
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: They have not eliminated the possibility of the worst case scenario.

950
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, Ultimately, I think if you if you get to

951
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 4: the end of this thing and you don't have either,

952
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 4: like just pick one of them if you don't have

953
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 4: and realistically you're not getting pierced unless you get Jones,

954
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 4: that's like that's not gonna happen. He is very not

955
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 4: only is he close to Jones, but he's very aware

956
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 4: of what having the wrong quarterback can do to him

957
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 4: in his career because it's happened before. And so if

958
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 4: you don't get Jones, you don't get pierced. But if

959
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 4: you only get one of them, like it's it's a

960
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 4: mistake Ballard, It's a huge mistake. Ballard said it out

961
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 4: right last week. Daniel and Alec are such big pieces

962
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 4: and we move and fit from there. If you think

963
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 4: about Shamestyken's offense, like replacing Alec Pierce, it's not as

964
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 4: simple as just going out and getting somebody else who

965
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 4: can get deep, because not everyone can get deep like that.

966
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 4: Think about all, like I said, just think about all

967
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 4: the guys the Chiefs have drafted thinking they were going

968
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 4: to have someone who could make explosive plays, even in

969
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 4: an NFL that's geared to take those away. Like there's

970
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 4: been dozens and dozens of draft picks by lots of

971
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 4: teams and no one has really unearthed. And Alec Pierce

972
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 4: who because he's the only one who's averaged twenty plus

973
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 4: yards per catch on a significant amount of catches over

974
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 4: the last two seasons. He's the only one since twenty eleven.

975
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 4: You take him out of this offense, well, then teams

976
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 4: can play up on Tyler Warren, they can play up

977
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 4: with Michael Pittman, they can play up on Josh Downs.

978
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 4: Even if you get Jones back, things get a lot

979
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 4: more difficult. And you know, okay, you want to go

980
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 4: draft one, that's great, But what if that guy takes

981
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 4: a couple of.

982
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 2: Years to develop.

983
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: Let's look at what this means the transition tag. We

984
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: went over this earlier today, but Joel, I want to

985
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: clarify a couple of things with you. Okay, let me

986
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: tell you my understanding of it, and then you, Joel Ericson,

987
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: tell me if my understanding is accurate. Okay. By placing

988
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: the transition tag on Daniel Jones, what that means is

989
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 1: that teams have up until July twenty second to make

990
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: him an offer July fifteenth. Excuse me, I've read both actually,

991
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: but it looks like it's the fifteenth. But they have

992
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 1: it until the fifteenth to make Daniel Jones an offer

993
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: that he then takes to the Colts and says match

994
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: it or I'm gone correct, yes, okay, yes.

995
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 4: And the reality is the reality is if that offers coming,

996
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 4: it will most likely happen early next week. Well, the

997
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:48,479
Speaker 4: legal pampering window is open.

998
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: Okay. Secondly, if, for example, the Arizona Cardinals send an

999
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: offer sheet to Daniel Jones, let me give you a hypothetical.

1000
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: Arizona comes to Daniel Jones and says, we're willing to

1001
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: pay you fifty million dollars a year just because we're

1002
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: bored and we want to make headlines. So they offer

1003
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: him a three year, fifty million dollars per year contract.

1004
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 1: Does Daniel Jones still have the right to say, I

1005
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: don't like SPF forty five and I thought Raising Arizona

1006
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: sucked as a movie, so I'm not going to take it.

1007
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: Or is he bound to have to take the highest offer.

1008
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 4: I don't think that the offer goes to the Colts

1009
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 4: unless it's agreed to, unless Jones agrease, gotcha mikes, and

1010
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 4: unless Jones says, hey, I this is the offer I want.

1011
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: Can you know the Colts are made? The Colts are

1012
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: totally unaware of any offer that comes Daniel Jones's way

1013
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: unless it is one that he has agreed to.

1014
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 4: In principle, I would guess that there's probably some communication.

1015
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: But well, but you get what I'm saying. I'm saying

1016
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: for the.

1017
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 4: Sake of they don't have to make a they don't

1018
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 4: have to make a choice until he decides, hey, this

1019
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 4: looks pretty good.

1020
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: Okay. So then let's just say, for the sake of

1021
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: the discussion, that he does come to an agreement that

1022
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,959
Speaker 1: he likes with another franchise. The Colts have until when

1023
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: to match that offer the fifteenth of July.

1024
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 4: Correct, I I believe I can't remember with the exact

1025
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 4: how long they have to match it is, but.

1026
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: Or is it forty eight hours from the time that

1027
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: it's presented?

1028
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't remember. I think it's fairly quick, actually, Okay,

1029
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 4: So and then the reality of the situation is they'd

1030
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 4: have to decide really quick because if not, who knows

1031
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 4: who's going to be playing quarterbacks. You have to make

1032
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 4: a decision on it, you have to go after If

1033
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 4: you're not going to match it, you have to go

1034
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 4: find somebody else.

1035
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: Well, and that's why they're that's why this has potential

1036
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: to be literally like nuclear food bar seven days. They

1037
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: have to want So let's back this up. A team

1038
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: makes an offer to Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones likes that

1039
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: offer and agrees to it. He then has to go

1040
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: to the Colts and say, just so you know, I

1041
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: have somebody that matched with me on tender and so

1042
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: they then say, okay, they have seven days to determine

1043
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: whether or not they are going to allow that match

1044
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: to happen or step in and match the offer. Now,

1045
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 1: the other question is this, do the Colts simply match

1046
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 1: the offer that comes the way to Daniel Jones and

1047
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 1: that is their right, or do they still go into

1048
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: open negotiation and try to add another year to it

1049
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: or whatever it may be. Or is that the deal

1050
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: that is in place it was just written by another team.

1051
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 4: I believe they have to match. Yeah, I believe they

1052
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 4: have to take that deal.

1053
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: Okay, so then this comes into play. The Colts in

1054
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: that situation would not get compensation. That is part of

1055
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: the transitional tag that they did. For those that weren't

1056
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: listening earlier, transitional tag is one of three ways that

1057
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: you can tag a player. It comes at costing you

1058
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: a little bit less in the initial year it is

1059
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: the top It is the average of the top ten

1060
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: players over the last five years at that position. In

1061
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: this case, it will pay Daniel Jones roughly thirty seven

1062
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 1: million dollars. That's about ten million dollars less than if

1063
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 1: they had simply franchise tagged them, which means they lock

1064
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: him inside of West fifty sixth Street and he cannot

1065
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: go to any other franchise. But they do not get

1066
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 1: any compensation with this level of transition tag, meaning there

1067
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: is a risk that if he walks out the door,

1068
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:41,439
Speaker 1: they get nothing back in place. Is there the possibility, Joel,

1069
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: not the probability, but the possibility that a team plays

1070
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: chess against the Colts and makes Daniel Jones an offer

1071
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: that they don't necessarily have total interest in paying, but

1072
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: they're increasing the price that the Colts have to pay

1073
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: to match. But then a player that franchise has an

1074
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: eye on they can sign because they have concern that

1075
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 1: Indianapolis has the cap space to sign that player away

1076
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: from them.

1077
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's definitely, you know, like that is a possible,

1078
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 4: that is possible. The probability of it is that you

1079
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 4: run the risk if you're that team, if you don't

1080
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 4: really want Daniel Jones at quarterback at that price of

1081
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 4: ending up with them.

1082
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: Correct, which and I still believe the example I used earlier.

1083
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: I totally believe this when the Pacers made the offer

1084
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: to DeAndre Ayton and the Phoenix Suns matched it. The

1085
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: Pacers would not have been completely beside themselves if they'd

1086
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,439
Speaker 1: ended up with DeAndre Ayton, but their primary goal there

1087
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: was to increase the price tag that Phoenix paid for

1088
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: Aighton because there was another player in play. The Pacers

1089
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: were interested in that. They knew Phoenix was going to

1090
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: go after I will go to my grade believing that.

1091
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: But that's the example I'm giving here right.

1092
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, yeah. And the thing is, the thing

1093
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 4: is like it that is that is like, it's absolutely possible.

1094
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 4: I think it's probably easier with the position where you know,

1095
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 4: it's probably an easier thing to pull off with a

1096
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 4: position where more than one guy plays at a time,

1097
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 4: you know, for a team to kind of kind of

1098
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 4: do that, because if you end up with the player, Okay,

1099
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 4: I can still you know, I still feel good about

1100
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 4: getting him on the field and everything like that. But

1101
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 4: if you have a quarterback, then then it's a little

1102
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 4: bit harder because what if what if Indy doesn't match

1103
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 4: and then you end up with two quarterbacks that both

1104
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 4: cost money.

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00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 6: Now, Joel, the other element of this too, Like, so

1106
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 6: if a team wanted to do that. For example, they

1107
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 6: would have to have the guaranteed money available at the

1108
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 6: time of the offer that was presented to Daniel Jones. Right,

1109
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 6: So if the Saints or whatever wanted to offer him whatever,

1110
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 6: forty five million dollars, they would have to shed salary

1111
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 6: by the start of the league year, which is noon

1112
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 6: from a week from today, So next Wednesday, they have

1113
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 6: to have that available when it turns noon on the

1114
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 6: new league year.

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00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 4: Correct, yes, but let me tell you, if the Saints

1116
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 4: are the team it'll be available. I covered that team

1117
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:18,919
Speaker 4: for so long and every year they have negative seven

1118
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 4: hundred million dollars at this point, and they always end

1119
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 4: up being able to sign people. They just you know,

1120
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 4: they push money in the future, they put void years

1121
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 4: on it to find a way to get under it.

1122
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 4: So the Saints are an example of this. But there

1123
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 4: are two, like there are ways to get under the cap.

1124
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 4: So you know, like you see Minnesota being interested in

1125
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 4: Jones and everyone goes, well, they're forty five million dollars

1126
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 4: under the cap. How are they going to possibly clear

1127
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 4: that much space? Just it can be done. It can

1128
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 4: be done by then, and it seems like it's really hard,

1129
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 4: but it's not that hard. You restructure three guys and

1130
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 4: you trade one guy, and next thing you know, you

1131
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 4: somehow have forty million in cap space.

1132
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: Joy Eric's is the guest Indianapolis Star where you read

1133
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: his work. The Java House, Coldbroot Coffee guest line is

1134
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: where you hear him Joel again, I'm a it wasn't

1135
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: raining when Noah built the arc, right, so he always

1136
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: got to think ahead. And sometimes I think the Colts,

1137
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: I said earlier, seems to me like the Colts have

1138
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: gotten into this habit where they're always reactive and never proactive.

1139
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: They just kind of wait for everything can work itself out.

1140
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it's going to be the case,

1141
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: but if they were to lose Jones and Pierce, it's

1142
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 1: defcon whatever number that is. That means like everybody's in

1143
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: the streets, like, holy cow, what did we just do

1144
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: in that scenario. Is there any way possible that Indianapolis

1145
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: goes to Anthony Richardson and goes, you know what, let's

1146
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: talk after all.

1147
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 4: I mean, if if they somehow lose both of those guys,

1148
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 4: I think any option is possible. Like you look at

1149
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:03,919
Speaker 4: the option on the market and you know, I think

1150
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 4: everyone goes well Kyler Murray would just would just immediately

1151
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 4: come here. Maybe maybe not, maybe she's signed somewhere else.

1152
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: Sol is Kyler Murray just kind of TIMU Anthony Richardson.

1153
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 4: He might Honestly, he's probably more of uh like the

1154
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 4: it's just it's just a it's got it's some of

1155
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:30,919
Speaker 4: the same flaws that make him a bad fit for

1156
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 4: I think Shane Stikeen in the offense that Shane Styken

1157
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 4: wants to run, but it comes in a different package.

1158
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 4: Like Kyler generally can run higher completion percentages. He's got

1159
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 4: a lot more production and a lot more experience.

1160
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: But did you ever see that movie Honey, I Shrunk

1161
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: the Kids I did? Yeah, with Rick Moranis that he

1162
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: used to work with him over at the Star right.

1163
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 4: Right right, yeah, Rick Maranas.

1164
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: Yeah that was that was when I was like that.

1165
01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 4: I think that was that when I was a kid.

1166
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 4: E did that, or it was well ten years before

1167
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 4: I was a kid.

1168
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: Whatever, whatever. The solution was that that fella drank or

1169
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: poured on himself or whatever that made him shrink. That's basically,

1170
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: if Anthony Richardson got into that potion, he becomes Kyler Murray.

1171
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 4: Right, well, except more accurate.

1172
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,479
Speaker 1: No, I do like Murray. I think Murry's a good player.

1173
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: Murray's a good player, But I'm saying some of the

1174
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 1: same things, right, like, you know, lack of preparation at times,

1175
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 1: accuracy issues, but an uber talented and intriguing level prospect

1176
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: based on the athleticism kidding aside.

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01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:34,919
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, absolutely, yep.

1178
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: But at any rate, if with Richardson, for example, I

1179
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: do believe that Alec Pearson Jones, that Alec Pearce is

1180
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 1: keeping a very close eye on who it is going

1181
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: to be that throws him the football. If it turns

1182
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: out and I'm only thinking worst case scenario here, If

1183
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: it turns out that Jones leaves and Anthony Richardson is

1184
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: the guy, is that enough to keep Alec Pearson in place.

1185
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 4: No, I think Pierce is gone.

1186
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: So you believe only Jones is the guy unless they

1187
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: go out and all of a sudden they're like the

1188
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: Colt's just acquired Josh Allen. Other than that, it's got

1189
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:11,439
Speaker 1: to be Daniel Jones, right.

1190
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, from from talking to people, from talking to people

1191
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 4: around Alec Pierce, you know, over the last couple of years,

1192
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 4: like they're just they're they're very aware of well, honestly,

1193
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 4: they're very aware of what Pierce's reputation and the criticism

1194
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 4: he got here maybe after his second year with Gardner Minshew,

1195
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 4: when I can tell you there were there were like

1196
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 4: a dozen plays that year where he was open and

1197
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 4: he just didn't throw it to him, you know, and

1198
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 4: obviously Alec Pierce's you know, the people around Alec Pierce

1199
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 4: noticed the same thing, and so they think I think

1200
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 4: that's definitely high in their mind, is that this they

1201
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 4: know like they need to have.

1202
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: The right quarterback is Trey hendrick Gey.

1203
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 4: The thing is, the other thing is he's going to

1204
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 4: sign this big deal and there's going to be you know,

1205
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 4: a lot of guaranteed money to it. But if he

1206
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 4: wants to see the last couple of years of that deal,

1207
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 4: he needs to be with a good quarterback because guys

1208
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 4: get cut halfway into those deals all the time.

1209
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: Is Trey Hendrickson an option for the Colts?

1210
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 4: Yes?

1211
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 1: Do you believe a strong candidate? I?

1212
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 4: I yes, I would think so. Yes, they were interested

1213
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 4: last year. My understanding is that there's they're interested this year.

1214
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 4: There's gonna be there's gonna be a lot of people.

1215
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 4: I know they I know that the defensive end, it's is,

1216
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 4: you know, if this team is going to get better,

1217
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 4: assuming that they get those other two back that we've

1218
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 4: been talking about, if this team is going to get better,

1219
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 4: the obvious place that they have to get better is

1220
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 4: the pass rush, specifically the edge rush. And you know,

1221
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 4: Hendrickson would be kind of in that justin Houston vein

1222
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 4: of signing where you're getting a guy who's a little

1223
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 4: bit older, has has had some injury concerns, but also

1224
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 4: has a ton of production. Bradley Chubb to me, is

1225
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 4: like he's he's maybe the next what what's the next level?

1226
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 2: That?

1227
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 4: Like Target? I don't know what the what's the whenever

1228
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 4: we make the store thing, it's hard to know what's

1229
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 4: what's the standard stour? Like what's the best one?

1230
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're you're say.

1231
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 6: Randon and versus what's the other word there?

1232
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 4: You know, like we always say this guy is the

1233
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 4: Walmart version? Well, what's what's the standard bearer? What's that

1234
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 4: store that's Target?

1235
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: I think Target?

1236
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 4: Right, No, it's Target? Okay. So so Bradley Chubb is

1237
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 4: like Walmart's He's like the Walmart version of Heddrickson because

1238
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 4: like he's just been hurt a lot more. When he

1239
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 4: plays he gets at least eight sacks, but he's been

1240
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 4: I think he said three seasons.

1241
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 1: So you're saying, Bradley Chubb's lockers got socks and sweatshirts

1242
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 1: just all over the place in no particular order.

1243
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,919
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and an insanely long line.

1244
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 1: And he's number ninety one. Yeah that's right. Yeah, yeah,

1245
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb. The thing about Bradley Chubb's pass rush is

1246
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: there's ninety eight lanes that he could go through, but

1247
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 1: only one of them is actually open. So yes, this

1248
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 1: is the perfect store for him. Yes, right, exactly, Yes,

1249
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: I think don't you think most people see Target? Nothing

1250
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 1: against Walmart, but isn't Target scene. It's just like slightly

1251
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:00,959
Speaker 1: tick higher.

1252
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know.

1253
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: It's like the jank. That's right, you know what I mean.

1254
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: It's just a little bit Chai is more than the

1255
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 1: target audience. Right yeah, Okay, last question, Joel, what did

1256
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 1: you learn, if anything, when you left the combine after

1257
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 1: your experience there? What was the storyline that entered your

1258
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 1: radar or came on your radar that you did not

1259
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 1: think was going to be one going into it.

1260
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know that. I I don't know that

1261
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 4: I heard a ton on the cult side that hadn't

1262
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 4: been mentioned or telegraphed. But you know this, uh, maybe

1263
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 4: I'm a prisoner of the moment. This this Alec Pierce

1264
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 4: interview with Kay Adams and all the stuff he said,

1265
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 4: and that that, to me is maybe the thing that

1266
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 4: I didn't see coming just because he's he's never he's

1267
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 4: never really been I'm gonna, you know, take take my

1268
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 4: own side in something. He's always taken the team side.

1269
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 1: So that's got a smart agent. It would appear surprises me.

1270
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 1: I mean, doesn't it appear he has a smart agent? Right?

1271
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: And go on there and say, hey, listen, I you

1272
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: had your chance and now I'm going to see other people,

1273
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: right yep?

1274
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 4: No, yeah, yeah. Well that's the thing is, you know,

1275
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 4: it's if if someone gets We say this all the time,

1276
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 4: but it's very true when someone gets within the range

1277
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 4: of free agency, they get a lot less likely like

1278
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 4: in in you know, in baseball for example. In baseball,

1279
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 4: for example, we talk a lot in the NFL about like, well,

1280
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 4: this guy's got one year left, he's gonna sign if

1281
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 4: you let a guy in baseball get within one year

1282
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 4: of free agency, they will not resign under any circumstances

1283
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 4: because they know if they get to the open market,

1284
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 4: they're going to get a bigger offer.

1285
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 6: Oh, especially if they're a scott Bors client. Like, there

1286
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 6: is no way chance in hell a scott Bors' client

1287
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 6: is signing any deal in the final year of the

1288
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:59,439
Speaker 6: contract in the millb uh, Joel, Is there a number

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Speaker 6: that's too high that the Colts won't match with Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 4: It's a great question. I Like, here's the thing. The

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Speaker 4: Jones injury concerns are real and absolutely understandable, Like he

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Speaker 4: has only played one full season in the NFL, and

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Speaker 4: and that that would make me back at giving, you know,

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Speaker 4: an enormous amount of money. I thought that it was

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Speaker 4: going to end up somewhere in If you look at

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Speaker 4: San Darnold and Baker Mayfield's contracts, they're almost exactly the same,

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Speaker 4: And I thought that that's where we were headed. But

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Speaker 4: Daniel Jones, you know, speaking of the agents, it seems

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Speaker 4: like he's pushing it further than that. And already he's

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Speaker 4: higher average anial value by getting transition tagged. So that's

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Speaker 4: kind of where I thought we were headed. The thing is,

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Speaker 4: if they don't bring Jones back, it's just I think

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Speaker 4: the question then is what what's the direction here? Because

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Speaker 4: our whole, this whole offseason has been framed by you know,

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Speaker 4: we thought we were really good for the first ten

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Speaker 4: games last year with that group of people in that offense.

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Speaker 4: And if you don't get Jones and Pierce back, what

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Speaker 4: are we doing? Like, what's going on? What's the plan?

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Speaker 4: Because to me, it invalidates what we thought the plan

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Speaker 4: was going to be if you don't have those guys back.

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Speaker 4: You know, So in a world where there's no Jones,

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Speaker 4: I think I have a lot of questions and probably

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Speaker 4: don't have good answers.

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Speaker 1: You know, let me Joel, I'll rap with this you ready,

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Speaker 1: If Alec Pierce is to sign with somebody else? Now,

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Speaker 1: who does your headlines? Over there? At the start? This

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Speaker 1: is a little hidden talent that I've had for years.

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Speaker 1: Who does your headlines?

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Speaker 4: Matt Newell? My editor usually handles mine? Yeah, because I'm

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Speaker 4: terrible at of.

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Speaker 1: It, wasn't it Rick moranis at one time? Did he

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Speaker 1: do them?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: No, no, it's always and that's always been the cold sky.

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Speaker 1: So if Alec Pierce is to leave the headline simply

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Speaker 1: would say piercing blow correct.

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Speaker 4: Well, see, the thing is that is really good, and

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Speaker 4: I think that that's like the print headline. But in

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Speaker 4: the age of the Internet, we have to have like

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Speaker 4: that's to say Alec Pierce, and it has to say

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Speaker 4: a bunch of other stuff so that when people search

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Speaker 4: it it comes up first. It's kind of taking some

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Speaker 4: of the fun out of the headline for me.

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Speaker 1: Ah, okay, it's all about the clicks, man, right, It's

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Speaker 1: all about the clicks.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all about it's all about the search stuff.

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Speaker 4: So like some of the stuff, some of those, you know,

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Speaker 4: like the tabloid headline, like the really fun stuff to

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Speaker 4: think about. Like I if we put him in print,

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Speaker 4: that's great, But like when I'm thinking about trying to

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Speaker 4: put one on for the online, we don't get to

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Speaker 4: do that anymore because it has to be it has

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Speaker 4: to be the full name.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the great headlines I've ever seen

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Speaker 1: is when Pat Cash won Wimbledon and he defeated von Lundell.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say nineteen eighty seven, and the headline

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Speaker 1: the next day said Cash better than a check.

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Speaker 4: I still think that that's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Brilliant, isn't it. Yeah, all right, we'll let you get

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Speaker 1: back to stocking the beer. Fred By the way, I

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Speaker 1: know that that's the thing. You know, somebody's from Wisconsin

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Speaker 1: when the beer fridge stocking takes two and a half hours, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know it's a labor of love and what

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Speaker 4: it is.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, sure, all right, Well we'll see if the

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Speaker 1: beer ferry needs to make a visit for you anytime soon.

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Speaker 1: But we appreciate the time as always. Joel, you bet

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Speaker 1: we'll see it. Joel A. Erickson with the highlight of

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Speaker 1: his day joining us on the program in the Java

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Speaker 1: House Cold Brew Coffee guest Line.