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Speaker 1: show on ninety three five and one O seven five

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Speaker 2: A little askt and you received James Boyden.

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, I'm glad Marks playing a clean version so

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Speaker 3: we can stay on the air.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of editors and yeah, this is.

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Speaker 3: Like when you know, my mom would get my car

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Speaker 3: still to this day and the clean version isn't playing

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Speaker 3: and she looks at me like who raised you? I'm like, sorry,

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Speaker 3: let me turn the radio on.

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Speaker 4: Maddie Bowen one time had a CD back in the

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Speaker 4: day that maybe not the cleanest version, and my father

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Speaker 4: in law just went sunroof open CD out. Seriously, Mark,

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Speaker 4: I think I really respect that dad.

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Speaker 3: Move man.

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Speaker 5: You imagine the feeling when that she just releases in

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Speaker 5: the air. Imagine meing the car behind you, like, what the.

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Speaker 6: Hell was that?

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Speaker 2: That's like knowing my father in law Mike Lovers.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna guess he had an arm to get it,

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Speaker 4: you know, maybe off the side of the road.

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Speaker 2: What what album was it?

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Speaker 4: I you know, I'm sure it was a burn CD.

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Speaker 4: You know, I have a feeling on that end, But my.

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Speaker 5: God, I remember I asked my mom to pick up

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Speaker 5: the new Limbiscuit album she did from Target, and there's

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Speaker 5: all these stickers on because I said, oh, it's got

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Speaker 5: the song nookie and brick stuff on it. And I

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Speaker 5: ripped open the plastic and underneath all the stickers was

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Speaker 5: the parental advisory sticker. And she didn't realize she bought

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Speaker 5: the explicit version and she tried to take it back.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, no, no, no, it's already open. He'll pa was

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Speaker 2: hiding under there.

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Speaker 5: It's already open. Can't do anything about it. Did it

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Speaker 5: come with the backwards red It should have?

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Speaker 2: It should have.

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Speaker 5: Need to say that CD got taken away at some

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Speaker 5: point because my brother blasted intogether now and that is

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Speaker 5: a lot of curse words in it. So that got

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Speaker 5: taken away for a little bit. Thrown out the sun

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Speaker 5: roof or no, no, no, still air.

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Speaker 4: We were talking a little bit earlier James Boyd's got

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Speaker 4: a Colts franchise tag related nugget that he wants to share.

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Speaker 4: But yes, you know, going back to what we were talking

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Speaker 4: about a little bit in the opening segment about March madness.

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Speaker 4: I don't know why, maybe like the Arizona white out

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Speaker 4: last night, it struck me how much I'm looking forward

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Speaker 4: to the next month. And you know, obviously, when we

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Speaker 4: have a final four, you know, I think back to

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Speaker 4: recent final fours we've had, certainly the COVID one, you

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Speaker 4: know a little bit of I Lluster kind of pulled

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Speaker 4: away from it, but you still had undefeated Gonzaga getting

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Speaker 4: to the national title game.

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Speaker 2: Remember the Jalen sug shot to.

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Speaker 3: Beat uc up out here, right, I believe right.

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Speaker 4: Then you go back to the last time we had fans.

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Speaker 4: You had undefeated Kentucky getting there in Wisconsin, beating them

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Speaker 4: in the semi final, and then Duke winning the national championship.

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Speaker 4: With Grayson Allen going off in that national title game,

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Speaker 4: Duke in the national title game.

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Speaker 2: That one kind of.

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Speaker 4: Speaks for itself. So again, I think anytime when we

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Speaker 4: have it, Obviously we've got history of some great, great

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Speaker 4: final fours. But you know, when I look at Michigan,

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Speaker 4: when I look at Arizona, when I look at Duke,

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Speaker 4: I mean, there was a thought a week or two

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Speaker 2: And now I'm like, man, you see what Arizona's doing

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Speaker 4: I mean, the Big Twelve is loaded, and Arizona's got

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Speaker 4: two losses on the entire season, and it's not like

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Speaker 4: they shy away from anybody in the non conference. Then

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Speaker 4: I think to other storylines. The Darren Peterson Kansas NCAA

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Speaker 4: tournament storyline fascinating to me, like, are you you know

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Speaker 4: can one player carry a team? You don't think Darren

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Speaker 4: Peterson has the individual talent to carry a team. He

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, any play is gonna see that.

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Speaker 2: So that is a great storyline.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, the Maye of Ohio Angle, I think is a

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Speaker 4: I think, first of all, there's a lot of unknown

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Speaker 4: I think, who's gonna win it all? When you look

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Speaker 4: where I just don't recall having that many of them

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Speaker 4: entering this month.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be I think a little bit of

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Speaker 3: like mentally tough enough to go out there and perform.

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Speaker 3: But also, like I was telling you during the break,

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Speaker 3: the thing I love about college basketball is like your

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Speaker 3: legacy could be decided in like a month, just how

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Speaker 3: crazy it is. And I mean, you can have all

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Speaker 3: the success in the regular season and I'd say that

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Speaker 3: doesn't matter, but we know rewrites so much. Oh absolutely,

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Speaker 4: I mean look at look at Steph you know what.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah, I mean Jimmifer Dead. I remember the games

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Speaker 3: that they had, the runs that they had, and you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm now I'm getting way back with the George Mason's

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Speaker 3: uh dunk City, a Florida golf coast, and so you

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Speaker 3: enjoy those types of runs. And so I think that

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Speaker 3: we can get a little bit more of that sprinkled

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Speaker 3: in on you. You were kind of concerned Kevin about maybe

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Speaker 3: losing that because of the portal. Can we get a

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Speaker 3: little bit of that sprinkled in? And if I get

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Speaker 3: that along with obviously the big dogs that are always

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Speaker 4: Last year we had one Cinderella and I had to

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Speaker 4: find Cinderella is a double digit seed. Our one Cinderella

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Speaker 4: last year was John bleeding Arkansas. John Calipari, does the

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Speaker 4: slipper still fit? I can hear Gus Johnson yelling that

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Speaker 4: as John Caliperry's seven million dollar roster makes it to

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Speaker 4: the Sweet sixteen.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like, again, what are we doing there now?

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Speaker 4: I told you guys yesterday that my go to the

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Speaker 4: weekend was me discovering the twenty two minute buzzer beater

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Speaker 4: watching that. You know, like it is Dusty Mayot Michigan

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Speaker 4: without Florida Atlantic's run.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's a great question. Maybe not, because that really

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Speaker 3: up taking one of those big men actually with him

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Speaker 3: the run.

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Speaker 2: James.

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Speaker 4: They had a game winning layup down one in the

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Speaker 4: game winning layup to beat Penny Hardaway in Memphis to

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Speaker 2: They run to the final four. They hit a game

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Speaker 4: It's it's Butler, so Further's second run You've got, you know,

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Speaker 4: rest in peace to Andrew Smith. He has a game

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Speaker 4: winner over Old Dominion. It's just wild, how you know.

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Speaker 4: We just think back on these runs and they're like boom,

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Speaker 4: Final four this that it's like, wait a minute, we

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, even I want to say, didn't Florida Atlantik lose

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Speaker 3: on a buzzer beater to go to the national championship?

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Speaker 2: So San Diego State?

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, so they felt both sides of it and

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Speaker 3: they want to come for Yeah. Yeah, So I would

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Speaker 3: it just adds to the theater because there are no

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Speaker 4: You tease this a little bit earlier with a cults

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Speaker 4: related nugget.

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Speaker 2: What do you got for your okay an cleos or

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Speaker 2: a snugget here?

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Speaker 3: Well, first, I have a question boys about commitment. All right,

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Speaker 3: Oh jeez, both of you are married, can you can

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Speaker 3: you share how long you were engaged before you got married.

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Speaker 4: We got engaged in April and married that next February.

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Speaker 2: So what was that ten months?

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Speaker 3: Okay about you? Mark?

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Speaker 5: Got married, got engaged in April of twenty fifteen, got

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Speaker 2: All right, so what's your engagement day? Mark twenty fifth?

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Speaker 2: All right, I've told you April, so fourteenth Tiger Woods

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Speaker 2: won the master rankings? Are suspect?

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Speaker 7: Really?

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Speaker 3: Do I need to get Jeff come into the show

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Speaker 3: and show office Tiger Wood's knowledge just yet to put

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Speaker 2: You saw how to discuss that?

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Speaker 3: I was then well, let's not go there, all right, so.

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Speaker 2: They'll make my blood boil at seven to forty one.

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Speaker 3: Throughout this engagement, I would venture to say you did

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Speaker 3: not court anybody else? Right, no one else was courting

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Speaker 3: you or the other person?

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Speaker 3: Let's say the Colts get for the sake of argument,

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Speaker 3: the transition tag will use it or look at like

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Speaker 3: an engagement. Let's say we put the transition tag on

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Speaker 3: Daniel Jones, which means he'll get about thirty seven thirty

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Speaker 3: eight million dollars guaranteed. However, if he signs an offer

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Speaker 3: Coats don't match it, they get no draft compensation. You

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Speaker 3: would think, okay, well, just match it. That's great. But

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Speaker 3: the caveat of if he's transitioned tagged, another team could

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Speaker 3: So they have all the way. If you're an opposing team,

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Speaker 3: you have all the way until July fifteenth to decide

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Speaker 3: if you want to throw your hat in the ring

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Speaker 3: and make an offer for him. So I say that

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Speaker 3: because if you think about where July fifteenth is on

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Speaker 3: the NFL calendar, that is after the draft, that is

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Speaker 3: after the first and second and third wave of free agency.

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Speaker 3: You're probably a week or two away from training camp.

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Speaker 3: Now this is still kind of crazy, but I'm just

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Speaker 3: saying just because if they do place a transition tag

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Speaker 3: not done. Somebody else can step in and say, you

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Speaker 3: know what, we have struck out with our quarterback decisions.

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Speaker 3: We don't like what we're going in this offseason, Let's

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Speaker 3: make an offer for Daniel Jones that is astronomical after

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Speaker 3: you've already kind of built your roster and see if

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Speaker 3: we can't poach him.

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts, Yeah, that would be wild gosh.

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Speaker 4: I guess it's a reminder of why we've only had

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Speaker 4: what two transition tags in the NFL in the last

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Speaker 4: like fifteen years with it, I, yeah, that would be

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Speaker 4: I certainly have not given that too much thought. You know,

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Speaker 4: I struggle a little bit with this, James of like,

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Speaker 4: to me, I've always felt like the best opportunity to

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Speaker 4: with the young rookie contract quarterback. That allows you to

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Speaker 2: You tag who?

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Speaker 3: I might tag Jones because I just you cannot well,

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Speaker 4: Because he plays quarterback? Now again tagging Daniel Jones. Forty

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Speaker 3: What's your backup plan if he if there is any chance,

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Speaker 3: always every morning here I want to send by the fan.

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Speaker 3: But am I? Am I wrong to think that quarterback

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Speaker 3: It's a hard one.

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Speaker 5: It is an odd situation to be in because you

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Speaker 5: Now you might have to pay for that, you probably

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it is funny, Mark, because if Daniel Jones played

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Speaker 4: So if you want to compare markets, now again, if

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Speaker 3: Oh it's Peers, yes, absolutely.

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Speaker 4: So this is where again I think he gets into

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Speaker 3: Boy, what a conundrum.

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Speaker 4: We really have never sniffed this with the Colts. I

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Speaker 4: And honestly, again a team period having two tag candidates

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Speaker 4: The Colts don't have anybody that you would even think

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Speaker 5: And I think if you don't tag Alec Pierce, you

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Speaker 5: Someone will open the bag for him and they'll all

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Speaker 3: And I know people are banking on Alex saying and

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Speaker 3: If Daniel Jones is back. But as I wrote my

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Speaker 3: a very violent sport. In theory, Alec Pierce could get

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Speaker 3: This is not credit to me, This credit to him.

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Speaker 3: The last time the Colts used the transition tag on

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Speaker 3: that's how long gets been since that. That has even

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Speaker 2: You were sucking on a pass.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I was no bills back then. It was a

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Speaker 4: Six million dollar difference on the transition tag. I want

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Speaker 3: Is it worth it?

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Speaker 4: Basically, is it worth it six million for you to

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Speaker 2: That's an element. I don't think we probably should hit

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Speaker 2: on a little bit more. And Joel A.

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Speaker 4: Rickson coming up in fifteen, I do have a Purdue

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Speaker 4: I you thought to throw your way on the hardwood

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Speaker 4: here coming.

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Speaker 5: Up on the other side, there's a text line question

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Speaker 5: I want to throw your guys way as well, regarding

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Speaker 5: Daniel Jones that I haven't really thought about, but it

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Speaker 5: makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious to pick your brains on it. We've got

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Speaker 2: a lot to get to and I gotta know.

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Speaker 4: With Mark Dyton in the eight o'clock hour as well,

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Speaker 4: it is the fan morning show on a Tuesdays. He

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Speaker 4: is the cover of the Colts for the Annapolis start

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Speaker 4: is an outstanding job. Great to see him at the

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Speaker 4: Combine last week. He is Joel a ericson Good morning, Joel,

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Speaker 4: how are we doing good?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there are you guys doing over there?

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Speaker 2: You care about the World Baseball Classic?

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Speaker 3: Yep, it's gonna say another day ends?

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Speaker 4: And why yes, yes, Mark Kanna papooted earlier, Joel.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you, though I want to be in it now.

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Speaker 8: It's fun, I think. I think some of the most

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Speaker 8: fun is like some of the countries that don't play

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Speaker 8: baseball as much in the in the pool play rounds,

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Speaker 8: when you get like, oh, I can remember what country

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Speaker 8: it was from, but it was like a guy who'd

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Speaker 8: been a plumber his whole life and struck out show

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Speaker 8: hay in a in a game last year or the

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Speaker 8: last time they did it like that. That's some of

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Speaker 8: my favorite things. And then yeah, I mean when you

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Speaker 8: get down to that, it kind of thinks that Japan

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Speaker 8: has an advantage because they're in the middle of their season, but.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun to watch.

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Speaker 4: Hey you hear that marks the plumber from Italy striking

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Speaker 4: out show? Hey, Otani, can you not get behind that?

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Speaker 8: Sure?

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Speaker 2: I can get behind it.

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Speaker 5: I just see, haven't gotten my base buss swerve on,

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Speaker 5: ye because the Cubs games have like not been broadcast,

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Speaker 5: so you know, I'll get my baseball swerve on though.

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Speaker 2: A baseball swerve I do kind of like that there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we've got yeah, we got some wild

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Speaker 4: countries here that now that I'm looking up, Okay, Joel,

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Speaker 4: I'll throw it like I throw to James a little

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Speaker 4: bit earlier here, three point fifty nine occurs today they're

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Speaker 4: equally as far away on extensions for Daniel Jones and

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Speaker 4: Alec Pierce, they tag who.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, the last I was able to glean it sounded

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Speaker 8: like it was probably going to be Jones and then

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Speaker 8: pivot to Peers. But I felt very very fluid yesterday,

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Speaker 8: and it felt very fluid yesterday, and it was it

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Speaker 8: was hard to keep track of, you know, what was

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Speaker 8: gonna happen over the next twenty four hours, Joel.

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Speaker 3: I read your story this morning on the transition tag.

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Speaker 3: First of all, finding the last thing they did it

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Speaker 3: was in nineteen ninety eight was hilarious because I was

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Speaker 3: thinking that such an odd tag to begin with. But

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Speaker 3: for those who are maybe like, why don't they just

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Speaker 3: use the non exclusive tag that has the draft rights

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Speaker 3: with it. Why the transition tag? Why do you do

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Speaker 3: you why do you think that is even an option

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Speaker 3: to consider for the Colt and Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 8: I think I think that that you know, usually when

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Speaker 8: when a team uses a tag, and someone said this

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Speaker 8: to me last week, who would know about these sorts

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Speaker 8: of things? Someone said, Usually, you know, when a team

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Speaker 8: uses the tag, that kind of sets the floor for

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Speaker 8: the average anal value. You get a long term deal,

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Speaker 8: which you know, maybe over one year five million doesn't

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Speaker 8: seem like that much, but over over three or four

511
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Speaker 8: that starts to really add up in terms of guaranteed money,

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Speaker 8: that kind of thing. And so that's that's a big

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Speaker 8: part of it is maybe you maybe you can do

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Speaker 8: it a little bit lower. The other thing is with Jones,

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Speaker 8: you'd be it's a risk, but you're betting that there's

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Speaker 8: not another team. There's not another team there that's going

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Speaker 8: to want to pay that to somebody coming off of

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Speaker 8: the Achilles tendon tear.

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Speaker 6: But I mean, if they did that.

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Speaker 8: That would be a risk. It would be a risk

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Speaker 8: to tag Jones of the transition tag because someone structures

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Speaker 8: the contract in a way that you don't like, and

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Speaker 8: the next thing you know, the next thing you know,

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Speaker 8: you're you're dealing with a contract that you don't want.

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Speaker 2: He is Joel A.

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Speaker 4: Erickson from ANAPA Sar. He's with us here on the

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Speaker 4: Payloffs Lolookers Hotline.

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Speaker 2: Joel.

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Speaker 4: Hear me out for a second here. Daniel Jones, Alec

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Speaker 4: Pierce Hendrickson. If I told you that the over under

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Speaker 4: was set on two and a half of those three

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Speaker 4: being in a Colts uniform come September, you would say

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Speaker 4: what and your confidence level would be.

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Speaker 8: What I I think I would take the over, but

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Speaker 8: my confidence level would be low, just because just because

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Speaker 8: you don't know, like once you get to free agency.

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Speaker 8: I still just don't think that there's anything that they

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Speaker 8: have to have Jones and Pierce, like Ballard has said that,

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Speaker 8: you know, point blank to us last week, and then

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Speaker 8: the Hendrickson thing just makes too much sense. It feels

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Speaker 8: like the Justin Houston deal, which obviously worked out pretty

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Speaker 8: good for the Colts, and obviously he knows lou Ana Rumo.

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Speaker 8: There was some question about his value last year, so

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Speaker 8: I wonder if he's going to have the insane free

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Speaker 8: agent market. It's free agency, and I don't know if

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Speaker 8: somebody else wants.

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Speaker 6: To do something.

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Speaker 3: Joel Sarah here, we have some co stars in the

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Speaker 3: back as well, so you might want to, you know,

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Speaker 3: just make sure that you're following all the child labor

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Speaker 3: laws out there. But when it comes to looking at

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Speaker 3: what Alec Pierce has done, is there any trepidation on

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Speaker 3: your end to paying him big money? I know that

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Speaker 3: is what will likely happen, But one year of one

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Speaker 3: thousand yard production, where do you stand on his possibility

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Speaker 3: of being your true number one receiver, especially if Alec

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, not Alex, if Michael Pittman Junior is no

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Speaker 3: longer on this roster.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think the biggest thing with Pearce is how rare,

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Speaker 8: how rare he is in today's game. And that's that's

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Speaker 8: the thing that's gonna get that's gonna get him paid.

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Speaker 8: That's why if he got to the open market he'd

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Speaker 8: be getting huge money.

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Speaker 2: Is because.

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Speaker 8: This is a this is a league where everyone plays

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Speaker 8: too high safety. Everyone is trying to take away the

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Speaker 8: big play. They're actually pretty good at it. We don't

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Speaker 8: have the big plays anywhere near as much as we

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Speaker 8: did even you know, when Patrick Mahomes started playing with.

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Speaker 2: The Chiefs in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 8: And the thing that Pierce can do is something that

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Speaker 8: most receivers can't get you, which is everyone in the

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Speaker 8: stadium knows getting he's going deep and he still gets there.

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Speaker 8: And what that does for your offense, what that does

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Speaker 8: for opening up the things for everybody else is so

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Speaker 8: valuable that I think that's why he's going to get

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Speaker 8: paid the big money because some of his impact goes

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Speaker 8: kind of beyond catches and it just goes to you

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Speaker 8: can't play up on the team that has Alec Pierce.

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Speaker 2: And Joel a.

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Speaker 4: Erickson's with us here from the Nanapolis Star. Joel, biggest

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Speaker 4: thing you learned from the combine non Jones Pierce related.

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Speaker 8: You know, my biggest takeaway is and this really isn't

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Speaker 8: anything that we weren't expecting, but I just had several

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Speaker 8: people tell me, you know, the Colts, the Colts are

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Speaker 8: are going to going to sign a d end. Think

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Speaker 8: they got to have a d end.

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Speaker 4: And describe that in a baseball analogy single double, triple

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Speaker 4: home run in terms of the type of d M

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Speaker 4: that you think.

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Speaker 8: I mean, they they need a home run to the end.

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Speaker 8: I've looked at the free agent market, if you get

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Speaker 8: a healthy Hendrickson, that's probably your best shot. Some of

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Speaker 8: those other guys are more of like even even Jalen Phillips,

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Speaker 8: to me, is a guy that is you're hoping for

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Speaker 8: a little bit more than.

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Speaker 2: He's produced so far in his career.

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Speaker 8: But but the thing about it is like, that's that's

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Speaker 8: what this team needs more than anything.

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Speaker 2: If you if you.

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Speaker 8: Think back to last year, with a healthy DeForrest button

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Speaker 8: in the lineup, the Colts had twenty six sacks in

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Speaker 8: eight games, and without him, they had thirteen sacks in

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Speaker 8: without him being healthy because he played against San Francisco,

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Speaker 8: they had thirteen sacks and nine games, and the pressure

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Speaker 8: just fell off of a table. And I know, you

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Speaker 8: know they the idea was, you get Sauce Gardner, you

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Speaker 8: put those corners in there, and it gives them more time.

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Speaker 8: And I think to some degree, to some degree, that

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Speaker 8: can work. But even in that Chiefs game, they just

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Speaker 8: didn't have enough pressure on Mahomes to avoid those guys

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Speaker 8: having to face ninety something plays. And even if you have, honestly,

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Speaker 8: even if you have prime Dion Sanders, I think if

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Speaker 8: he faces ninety five plays. He's got to start giving

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Speaker 8: up some catches so that they have to get pass rush,

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Speaker 8: and it's got to be somebody who opposing teams have

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Speaker 8: to game plan for. I think that's what we saw

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Speaker 8: when Buckner was out. There was nobody that made it.

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Speaker 8: Opposing offensive coordinator kind of shake and worry and stay

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Speaker 8: up at night in terms of who we had to protect.

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Speaker 3: Again, we're talking to joy ericson could supporter for Indie

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Speaker 3: Starr very buttoned up on social media but has the

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Speaker 3: loudest laugh in the media room or none. A lot

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Speaker 3: of good times, Joel last one on my end, Anthony

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Speaker 3: Richardsonson here and the Colts have come to an agreement

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Speaker 3: to allow him to seek a trade, try to foster

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Speaker 3: a trade for him. How did we get here? Big

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Speaker 3: picture question? I know, But for those who might be,

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Speaker 3: for example, in a different market and don't really understand

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Speaker 3: why this happened. When I look at the blame Joe,

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Speaker 3: who are you pointing the finger or fingers at?

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Speaker 8: Well, I really think it starts with the pick and

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Speaker 8: I understand all of the all of the factors involved.

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Speaker 8: Jim Mersey wanted the young quarterback. The Colts had the

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Speaker 8: number four pick, it's the highest, the highest pick, the

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Speaker 8: easiest one they've had a chance to get a quarterback.

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Speaker 8: But you know, Chris Ballard always told us, you know,

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Speaker 8: I'm not going to take one just to take what

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Speaker 8: it has to.

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Speaker 7: Be the right one.

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Speaker 8: And if you go back to you know, that draft

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Speaker 8: year and this time of year before we got to

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Speaker 8: you know, before Carolina had traded into the first pick,

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Speaker 8: and the culture was still talking about what they wanted.

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Speaker 8: Chris Ballard was saying he wanted accuracy in a quarterback.

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Speaker 8: Shane Stikeen was saying he wanted obsession. And I've gone

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Speaker 8: back and looked and after really right around the owners

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Speaker 8: meetings is when they met with Richardson for the first time.

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Speaker 8: By that point, Carolina has number one, Houston has number two.

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Speaker 2: And if you go look at.

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Speaker 8: Some of the things they said that we have those

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Speaker 8: questions and they kind of back off of that at

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Speaker 8: you know, they can teach it. You we think you

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Speaker 8: can teach accuracy.

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Speaker 6: We think you can teach obsession.

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Speaker 8: And it just it's set up as a bad fit

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Speaker 8: from the start. And what do you do if you

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Speaker 8: don't pick him, you know, you maybe you take Devin

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Speaker 8: Witherspoon and people are probably very upset about that, and

660
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 8: and there really wasn't any quarterback left in that class

661
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 8: to take. But I really think it starts with the pick.

662
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 8: They were a poor fit together, Shane Stiken and Anthony

663
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 8: Richardson from the start, and so everything that's happened after

664
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 8: that can kind of be explained by, you know, it's

665
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 8: a poor fit.

666
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 6: They don't.

667
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 8: They don't, they don't work well together. Stikeen was used

668
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 8: to guys who played a lot of football, even the

669
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 8: rookies he'd had, Jalen Hurts and Justin Herbert had played

670
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 8: a ton of football at the collegiate level.

671
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 7: That's what he was used to.

672
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 8: And instead he got somebody who really didn't know had

673
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 8: had only played one year at the major college level,

674
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 8: didn't really know how a quarterback is supposed to handle himselves,

675
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 8: that kind of thing, and that.

676
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 7: That just made it.

677
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: It made for a really.

678
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 8: Bad fit because Stikeen's the way Stikeen sees it. Because

679
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 8: of the way steik and sees football.

680
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 4: Joel last last one, and he thought that Carl arse

681
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 4: Gordon is thinking to herself, Chris Ballard, year in a

682
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 4: contract year, you're not under you know contract, I guess

683
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 4: past twenty twenty six. Therefore, I don't want Daniel Jones

684
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 4: money going into the years of twenty seven, twenty eight,

685
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 4: potentially longer.

686
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 7: I don't.

687
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 8: I don't think so, because they still don't have a

688
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 8: first round pick next year as a result of the

689
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 8: Sauce Gardner trade. So I think I think if you

690
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 8: you signed Jones here, you know you figure at at

691
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 8: the worst, we have someone who can handle the job

692
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 8: like a bridge quarterback until we have a pick again

693
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 8: that that matters. And also it just for where they

694
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 8: are now, it's just really the best chance for them

695
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 8: to have any kind of.

696
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,479
Speaker 6: Quarterback play going forward.

697
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 8: I know people have mentioned, you know, some of the

698
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 8: other guys on the market, well, some of those guys

699
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 8: have the same concerns, Like if you go get Kyler Murray,

700
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 8: he has you know, he had to have something written

701
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 8: into his contract about preparation. I don't think he's a

702
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 8: great fit.

703
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 3: With video games. Could you imagine him being paired with

704
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 3: Shane Stikeen, Oh my god.

705
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 8: That doesn't that doesn't seem like a good fit for

706
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 8: Shane Styken. You know, I've seen something people mentioned, well

707
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 8: if the Dolphin released too, well that's to me, is

708
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 8: the same Daniel Jones situation. I think Ta probably wants

709
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 8: more than one year. He's got worse injury risk in

710
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 8: my opinion, to tunnel Boloa does and so. And then

711
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 8: obviously in the draft, everything we heard last week from

712
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 8: everybody was Fredanda.

713
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 7: Mendez is going one.

714
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 8: Who knows when the next quarterback comes off the board.

715
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 8: That's even worse than the Anthony year in terms of

716
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 8: that's even worse than twenty twenty three in terms of

717
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 8: you know how the NFL regards these quarterbacks. So there's

718
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 8: just there's just not a an avenue to get one.

719
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 8: And I think that's I think that's like kind of

720
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 8: the reality of the situation. And then the other thing is,

721
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 8: and I think this has gotten lost in some corners

722
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 8: of maybe the Internet, some corners of the city. Depending

723
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 8: the Colts really like Daniel Jones. They really believe in

724
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 8: what Daniel Jones did in the first ten games before

725
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 8: he got hurt, and and really believe that this is

726
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 8: their their their shot at having a long term option.

727
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 8: I think, you know, the injury question is is very

728
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 8: fair and even you know, they even Chris Baller and

729
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 8: Shane Steken have had to acknowledge. Yes, he's been hurt

730
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 8: a lot, but in terms of the play and the

731
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 8: way he like he played for them last year, the

732
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 8: Colts really really believe in Daniel Jones. Now we'll find

733
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 8: out if that faith is in the right spot or

734
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 8: the wrong spot, but they absolutely believe that Daniel Jones

735
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 8: can be that kind of player again for a full season,

736
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 8: and that's why they want to recite him.

737
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 2: So if you really like him, six million difference with

738
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 2: the transition tag really that much money. It's a thought.

739
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 4: I continue to have Joel a ericson he actually likes

740
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 4: the World Baseball Classic because he's a sports fan. I'm

741
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 4: like Mark Dyton Joel as always.

742
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: Thank you, Sara. I know you're juggling a lot this morning.

743
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 8: I'm I'm I'm excited about it. The Brewers played Great

744
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 8: Britain in a friendly today and I'm gonna pay.

745
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: How about that, Mark, Great Britain Brewers friendly. If that's

746
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: not a Tuesday, I don't know what is.

747
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 5: Swing the stick and trot tech out these Brewers pretty good?

748
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: I was afterwards. That was pretty good. He's got a

749
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 2: good saving, he's got a really good bellow check. Yeah, yeah,

750
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 2: he does. He does Joel thank you you bet guys

751
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: swing this so holl the Queen, you'll see it.

752
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 3: How is he liked this?

753
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: How good is that? A?

754
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 4: And then how good is it that Joeli Erickson is literally

755
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 4: ready for Brewers Great Britain Baseball.

756
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 3: He's a psycho. You know that.

757
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 6: He's got questions? How about a game? They have got answers.

758
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 6: I'm more of a you know, a corn hoole man myself.

759
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: Sports music, movies, what high fashions.

760
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 3: Be, hantsl so hot right now.

761
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 6: And everything in between. A foot with four toes.

762
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: It's time to get a glimpse into the mind of

763
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: Mark Dyke Din. Stop that you're scaring me for I

764
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: gotta know, Okay, you do punk.

765
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 3: I wrote a good, clean fight.

766
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: Let's get it.

767
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 5: Off our boys. Lots of cults discussion today. Let's keep

768
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 5: it that way. Let's say the Colts do lose Daniel Jones,

769
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 5: they pivot to who at quarterback?

770
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 3: Boy, I'm gonna say Maligue Willis. That would be the

771
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 3: best case scenario, although you'd be paying some big money

772
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 3: for him too.

773
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 4: At that point, I'd rather than just beg Ranthony Richison

774
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 4: to come back. Might as well play it out.

775
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 3: It is true he's very caught to defect the.

776
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: Time, but like losing the girlfriend then trying to win

777
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 2: her back. Hey, that's the sad reality of where you're at.

778
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: I don't like Pardner Minche. I don't know. Part of

779
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: me would rather see Leonard at that point tray.

780
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 3: For Jamis Winston, I need some comedy.

781
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 5: I'm saying, I want some jams to see him do

782
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 5: the green flag at the Saint Pete Race this weekend.

783
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,919
Speaker 2: He was going nuts pre Racee.

784
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 3: Jamis.

785
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 4: Yes, Oh, absolutely, Dennis Houger, I mean that was that

786
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 4: was like fits.

787
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 3: Man I want.

788
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 5: Before for Daniel Jones, I was like, you know, you

789
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 5: want some life in the locker room, some interesting quotes

790
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 5: Brin Jamison here might not It'll be a wild ride

791
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 5: for sure. You also get some fun press conferences cal

792
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 5: Phil Rivers, Sure sure, all right.

793
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 3: I had enough of that. That's where I draw the line,

794
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 3: all right, if the abuse, if the Colts do find

795
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 3: a way to keep both Jones and Alec Pierce long

796
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 3: term contracts, look like what for them?

797
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 2: In your eyes?

798
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 3: Oh that's a good question.

799
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 4: Oh with Jones, I've said, I think you've got to

800
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 4: have the guarantees in those first two years smatch the

801
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 4: lack of the first round picks you have, you know,

802
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 4: are you getting whatever three years north of.

803
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 2: Probably one hundred million on that?

804
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 4: You know, Pierce, I think will sniff right around thirty

805
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 4: million a year from an annual standpoint, And that means

806
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 4: Michael Pittman Junior, of course restructure has to occur.

807
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 8: Uh.

808
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 4: So yeah, I would say, you know, Pierce, what is

809
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 4: the James twenty five? Twenty six?

810
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, gonna be twenty six in May, So I'll probably

811
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 3: go maybe three for eighty hopefully.

812
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 4: Now again, how does Pierce in his camp want it?

813
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 4: Do they want the three and potentially hit the open

814
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 4: market again like Terry McLaurin, like Michael Pittman Junior. Or

815
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 4: do they say, hey, let's really try and you know,

816
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 4: cash in now with you know whatever more of a

817
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 4: four year deal. So yeah, I would say, you know, Jones,

818
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 4: Minnesota's just that one with Jones, And I'm just like,

819
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 4: you know, how much are they seriously the one pushing

820
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 4: up this price?

821
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah?

822
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 3: And they have to do a lot of contract restructuring

823
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 3: on their end to get under the cap, I think

824
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 3: to even afford Daniel Jones. But ever put a number

825
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 3: out there for Daniel maybe three years. I don't know,

826
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: one ten, I don't know what the guarantees are on that,

827
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 3: but somewhere in that range Mark boy, all right, last

828
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 3: I know it's crazy, but hey, I mean he has leverage.

829
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 3: You have no backup plan, all right.

830
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 5: More likely the Colts find a long way to keep Daniel,

831
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 5: Jones and al Pierce long term together, or the Pacers

832
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 5: keep their first round pick.

833
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 3: So you're, oh, it's just like a coin flip essentially, hmmm.

834
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 4: I still I think the Colts would be caught with

835
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 4: their pants down if they can't bring back Jones and Peers.

836
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 4: I mean that's what again, You ran it back because

837
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 4: you believe in the first two months of the season,

838
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 4: point blank. And if you're not willing to pay for that,

839
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 4: then why the hell you running a back? So I

840
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 4: just you know it comes to Pacers, it's out of

841
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 4: their control. I mean, it is a coin flip. I mean,

842
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 4: I don't want to act like the cults are in

843
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 4: full control here. But it's not like Pearson Jones hated

844
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 4: their time here, right or don't want any part of

845
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 4: being here. I don't get that impression at all. So

846
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 4: I will say the Colts more just because they're in

847
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 4: a camp of like they have to get it done,

848
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 4: whereas the Pacers, even if the Pacers are the worst

849
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 4: record in the league, it's still just what a fifty

850
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 4: two per chance you keep a top four pick.

851
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm probably rolling with that, thinking Mark sciting with

852
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 3: Kevin because the Colts still have some semblance of control,

853
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: I guess, and the Pacers are kind of at the

854
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 3: mercy of the ping pong balls.

855
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 5: I also think the Pacers are, you know, they would

856
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 5: like to keep their first round pick, but if they

857
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 5: lose it, they're like, well we got zobots, so yeah,

858
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 5: they're not like devastating, So well here they got something,

859
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 5: all right, Something you want to do that probably not

860
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,439
Speaker 5: a lot of others want to, Like, is there something

861
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 5: you're like, I wish I could do that? Like, I'll

862
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 5: let you guys think about it for a second. I

863
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 5: want to do jury duty. I've never been asked, I've

864
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 5: never been gotten got anything in the letter. I would

865
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 5: like to do a jury duty at some point just

866
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 5: because I'm just got this weird. I don't know, I

867
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 5: just want to do it, and I think it's because

868
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 5: I want it so badly. Is why I haven't gotten it,

869
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 5: and like other people that don't want it have gotten

870
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 5: all the time. That's the most Jake Querry thing you've

871
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 5: ever know. I want to do jury duty. Remember when

872
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 5: I summoned me?

873
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 2: Remember when I was summoned for like ninety minutes? Last

874
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 2: was the last year. I was extremely jealous of you. Yeah.

875
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 4: Wait, that's a good one, Mark, I need to give

876
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 4: some thoughts to that. I want to say I got

877
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 4: jury dude. Remember I got called in, I'd leave the

878
00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 4: show and I came back the same day. They didn't

879
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 4: need me, Mark.

880
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 5: I will say like, I'm jealous of both of you

881
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 5: guys because of that situation.

882
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 4: Once I got in the room, I was kind of like,

883
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 4: let's go. Let's I was like kind of dreading it

884
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 4: until I got in. Then I'm like, all right, let's

885
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 4: let's go.

886
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: I want to be sequestered. Come on, this is my

887
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 2: civic duty.

888
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, I'm gonna say, wait, is that.

889
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: Mark Sanchez coming back? Oh my gosh, he's in the

890
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: courtroom here. I am to play dumb. I don't know

891
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: who you are, sir.

892
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 3: I think that I would, honestly, it's probably still a

893
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 3: dream when I when I get older, I want to

894
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 3: be the guy, the old guy who retires and keeps

895
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 3: the book at the local high school. I would love that.

896
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 3: I feel like I would enjoy my Tuesdays, Thursdays and Friday,

897
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 3: whatever day they play on, and I would I will

898
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 3: keep that book so well, oh boy, it'd be great.

899
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 7: Yeah.

900
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: Kind of playing off that.

901
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know why, but James dallis playing to

902
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 4: the old retirement seat in my brain wherever, Like we

903
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 4: do retire, I want to become the big time fan

904
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 4: of the local team.

905
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 7: Yeah.

906
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 2: And I don't know what that local team is. I

907
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: don't know if it's high school.

908
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 4: I know if it's a college team, but like I

909
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 4: want to be the one that's like at every single game.

910
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 4: Like I'm watching Cleveland State. I you Indy last night

911
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 4: and there's eighty seven people in the building. Yeah, and

912
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 4: they panted the crowd and four of them look like

913
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 4: they might be eighty seven years old.

914
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 2: I want to be them. You want to be the

915
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 2: sister Jean of that program.

916
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 4: I want to be Like you go to a Butler

917
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 4: game at times you see some people kind of whatever.

918
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 2: First second, I'm like, they've probably.

919
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 4: Lived in like the Butler Area for like forty years,

920
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 4: and like this is now their thing and they circle

921
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 4: all these games on the calendar.

922
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it gets life or deaths. Yeah, the same thing

923
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: for breakfast. Every day. You're wearing your school colors, ready

924
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: to go. All of it count now. You know it's

925
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 2: a good line.

926
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 4: Gates open ninety minutes before and I'm the one opening

927
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 4: the gate, you know.

928
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: So, yeah, James, I could I get behind that.

929
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, I will keep the best ats.

930
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 2: The varsity players wheel you in. You're the old man.

931
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: We got that old man Kevin's for fifty years.

932
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: They're always like, especially when teams go to State. You

933
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 3: read about these stories Andy Starr and other places, and

934
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 3: it's like, this guy hasn't missed right a basketball game

935
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 3: in thirty years. The only one he ever missed was

936
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 3: when the blizzard of nineteen eighty nine came in. And

937
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 3: it's like they're so dedicated to it. I want to

938
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 3: be that guy.

939
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: And even then he was still knocking on the door

940
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: because he walked that far. All right, what are we

941
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 2: watching lately?

942
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 4: One thing I dialed up the other day and Todd

943
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 4: Meyer shout out to him. One of our colleagues here

944
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 4: in David Wood. They kind of suggested for me. I

945
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 4: watched Soul Power on Amazon Prime, the ABA documentary, and

946
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 4: my dad always told me a ton of stories about

947
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 4: the ABA, and you know, obviously, I think are in

948
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 4: this market, you do get a glimpse of like how

949
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 4: big the Pacers were. I didn't fully realize it, honestly

950
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 4: till watching it. I mean, the Pacers were huge, and

951
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 4: the uniqueness to their team and slick leading it, I

952
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 4: think was also something I was really enlightening. So that's

953
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 4: on Amazon Prime for the ABA ors out there that

954
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 4: want to learn a little bit more about that four episodes,

955
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 4: I believe for Soul Power.

956
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 3: When I went to the girls State finals, I'm looking

957
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 3: up at the rafts and I always laugh because it's

958
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 3: Bobby Leonard on his when really whoever called him Bobby

959
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: besides like maybe his wife or his mom.

960
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 4: Or something exactly.

961
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 3: So for me, I'll be rewatching Game of Thrones. I'm

962
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 3: almost done with season one again, and I just enjoy

963
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 3: how great that show was at the beginning, and I

964
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 3: think next up on the docket of season two of

965
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 3: Paradise on Hulu. I really enjoy season one, So that's

966
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 3: what I'm watching Mark.

967
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 5: We watched episode one of that over the weekend. Very

968
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 5: very good at I'm locked back, maybe very good deadline.

969
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 5: I'll have some freedom. I would say Paradise season two

970
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 5: is one. Also the return of Scrubs, one of my

971
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 5: all time favorite shows. The first two episodes premiered last week.

972
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 5: They were excellent. Highly recommend that. And then Fear Factor

973
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 5: if you want to get a little reality TV show, boy,

974
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 5: that brought me back to the early aughts as well.

975
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 5: Same with the Ying Yang Twins, but some fear Factor

976
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 5: and fear Factor in years.

977
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: We are locked in on Fear Factor. That was the show. Yeah,

978
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: Johnny Knoxville's the host now. It is awesome. I would

979
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:56,439
Speaker 2: watch that as well.

980
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 4: Mark Dyke didn't great work. Will continue to keep you posted.

981
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 4: Four o'clock today, Franchise Tag Deadline. But some pacers talk

982
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 4: with Tony East on the other side. This is the

983
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 4: Fan Morning.

984
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: If you were listening to the Fan Morning show on

985
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: Sports Radio nine and one oh seven.

986
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 4: Seven hours away from NFL Franchise Tag Deadline day. It

987
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 4: is interesting, James, we've had ESPN on the background here

988
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 4: throughout the show. I don't think I've ever not that

989
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 4: I watch ESPN religiously every morning. But I don't think

990
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 4: I've ever seen the Colts be this featured on national

991
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 4: sports shows in quite a while.

992
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 3: What do you mean this just happened with Philip Rivers?

993
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 3: That was every day. You saw how many hits that

994
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 3: Stephen Holder had to do from the Colts media room.

995
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 3: We all had to shut up while he was going

996
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 3: online TV. I want to set up in the bag

997
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 3: and cheer. I think that quickly fizzled out. But yeah,

998
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 3: this is a big deal.

999
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 2: Let you know.

1000
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 3: And honestly, I think it's because of how it could

1001
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 3: affect other teams.

1002
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean in Jones is the top quarterback.

1003
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 4: I don't think there's really any debating that the quarterback

1004
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 4: list is bleak, but he is the top one, and

1005
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 4: obviously we know the domino effect off of that.

1006
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 2: And again it's not a great draft for quarterbacks either.

1007
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 4: So we'll continue on to that four o'clock today franchise

1008
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 4: tag deadline. All right, it's been a while since we've

1009
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 4: chatted with our next guest.

1010
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 3: Ke who should the.

1011
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 4: Great Tony East? Well, he's a Vikings fan, right, Tony?

1012
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 4: Do you want Daniel Jones is your quarterback? In twenty

1013
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 4: twenty six.

1014
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 7: I honestly am not informed up there.

1015
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 3: What a lazy class.

1016
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 7: My only anti I could provide is that watching JJ

1017
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 7: McCarthy was very awful, So it cannot be worse than that.

1018
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 3: That is very true.

1019
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 2: Actually, well that's a ringing endorsement.

1020
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 3: It's not an endorsement of JJ McCarthy.

1021
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 7: Clearly, I can't leave it. Somehow got quit ricks at

1022
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 7: the point that I was like, dang, I was so

1023
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 7: ready for Kirk Cousins to be over and now I'm like,

1024
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 7: oh man, what's Kirk cousins quarter?

1025
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 4: Can uh Tony East with his hair locked on basers

1026
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 4: of course where you could find his work Circle City

1027
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 4: Spin does a great job with the updates there.

1028
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 2: Benedict Matheren gets into it with who Tomorrow night.

1029
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 7: I've been joking with people about this. What do you

1030
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 7: think his over under is going to be? I think

1031
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 7: it's gonna be about sixty five thousand points is going

1032
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 7: to be uh his approximate line, because yeah, it's going

1033
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 7: to be a very emotional game for all those guys

1034
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 7: who are involved. And yeah, he's somebody for sure with him,

1035
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 7: probably a guard that he thinks he's as good as

1036
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 7: and you know, I still remember, I think James, you

1037
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 7: were there a Karroslavert's return game with the cat Oh yeah,

1038
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 7: he scored, He scored up. He scored like thirty five

1039
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 7: points and I've never seen him offend that well in

1040
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 7: my life. In the fourth quarter of that game was funny.

1041
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 7: The Pacers sc scored a bunch of the first quarter

1042
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 7: then lost late. Like I've this similar thing is going

1043
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 7: to happen tomorrow. So yeah, Ben Mather's getting to do

1044
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 7: with somebody, for sure.

1045
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 3: I think it'll be Rick Carlisle. He'll probably try to

1046
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 3: dunk on him in pregame warm ups or something and

1047
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 3: it'll just up the andy a little bit. But okay,

1048
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 3: so let's dive into this, Tony. We do know the

1049
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 3: Pacers are obviously having a tough season, to say the least.

1050
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 3: But when it comes to the draft lottery, are you

1051
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 3: still looking at Darren Peterson? And I don't know if

1052
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 3: you always were as the number one overall pick or

1053
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 3: how would you kind of slot them? If you are

1054
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 3: the Pacers, you got the number one choice, are you

1055
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 3: confident enough to pick Darren Peterson?

1056
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:38,919
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1057
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 7: You know, for a while this season I felt like

1058
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 7: in my very brief time watching everybody in the top

1059
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 7: four that he was the best player. He's just so

1060
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 7: naturally gifted as a score feels like he can get

1061
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 7: wherever he wants every single time he has the ball.

1062
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 7: You's got a jumper. That's all great, but you know,

1063
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 7: there's always there's been a lot of shift in the

1064
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 7: perception of him recently with some of the comments he

1065
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 7: makes and how much he might want to start, And

1066
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 7: you know, I have no idea about the like mid

1067
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 7: game availability stuff. I'm not going to pretend to understand

1068
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 7: what's going on with all that. But you know, like

1069
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 7: anyone the Pacers' pick is not going to start, Like

1070
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 7: it's just not gonna be how it is. They're starting

1071
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 7: five is very good and it made the finals already,

1072
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 7: and they're most of the players involved in and they're young,

1073
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 7: and now it has to beat Azubat. So he's whoever

1074
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 7: it is, is going to come off the bench. Like

1075
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 7: if that is a legitimately an important factor for him,

1076
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 7: then that might not be a thing that maybe it

1077
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 7: doesn't matter at all if they're really good and they're

1078
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 7: winning and he's a rookie and he knows that he's

1079
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 7: not supposed to start or be a Marque player right away,

1080
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 7: but you do wonder what that means. But now with

1081
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 7: Matherin gone, like a bench score is extremely important for

1082
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 7: the Pacers, like that's one of their biggest needs generally

1083
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 7: as a team, or hoping someone on the roster can

1084
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 7: step into it, and he can do that. So for

1085
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 7: a while people questioned his fit and I and I

1086
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 7: don't know if I ever agree with that, but now

1087
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 7: I really don't think anybody is. So if you think

1088
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 7: he's the best player, taking him makes a lot of sense.

1089
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 7: But truly, any of the top four guys seem like

1090
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 7: they'd fit at least somewhat and be very good for

1091
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 7: this team.

1092
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: He's the twenty sixteen Midwest Guitar Hero Regional champion. He

1093
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,760
Speaker 2: is Tony East with us here on the Payloss Slickers High.

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Speaker 3: Sing So in twenty sixteen it was Lebron and Tony East.

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Speaker 2: Wow, should I have that right? Tony on that?

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Speaker 7: I don't remember the the last year of my brind

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Speaker 7: with that, but yes, that's approximately right.

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Speaker 4: And just to clarify, you were nationally ranked correct on

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Speaker 4: Guitar Hero.

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Speaker 7: To the extent to the extent that that's a thing.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, my boy got some skills.

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Speaker 2: Update your link.

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Speaker 3: You're too humble, king.

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Speaker 2: Way too humberre. You imagine the dexterity, you imagine the

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Speaker 2: hand eye coorination.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I can't believe that this still comes up like forever.

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Speaker 3: What do you mean? This is greatness? We don't forget greatness, Tony.

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Speaker 3: Come on, man, we have enough a rasor going on

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Speaker 3: in media as it is. We're trying, we're legacy media.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna keep talking about this.

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Speaker 7: Come on, man, It's franchise tag Week and the five

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Speaker 7: for that game that's coming up in the morning shows

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Speaker 7: the Garter.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I want to hit on Darren Peterson one more time.

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Speaker 4: Here are the Pacers in a position to take a

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Speaker 4: player of his ilk, And I say that in this way,

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Speaker 4: I think people would call Peterson a bit of a

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Speaker 4: risky pick. Obviously there's tantalizing talent. It speaks to herself

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Speaker 4: when you watch him play basketball. Of course, there's a

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Speaker 4: lot there where he has not played basketball this season

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Speaker 4: that must be answered. But you know they are in

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Speaker 4: a position that you just said they're starting five is intact.

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Speaker 4: They have Tyrese Haliburton, Pascal Siakam. You know NBA teams

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Speaker 4: would dream to have leaders like that. Are you in

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Speaker 4: a position to say, you know what, a nineteen year

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Speaker 4: old come into our operation feel pacers, culture, grow, mature, learn,

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Speaker 4: and then eventually we'll see what you have. We're not

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Speaker 4: necessarily in the in this position where we won thousand percent,

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Speaker 4: need to hit on the pick and we can grow

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Speaker 4: with a you know, we are a tanking team that

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Speaker 4: might be in the lottery three or four more times

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Speaker 4: here in the next five or six years. Like the

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Speaker 4: Pacers are not really that. So how do you kind

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Speaker 4: of view their setup for a player like Peterson versus

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Speaker 4: a Cameron Boozer who you might say, hey, boom, he's

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Speaker 4: a six or seventh man on the playoff team, and

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Speaker 4: that's what the Pacers need because they're in a two

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Speaker 4: or three year window right now.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that is, you know, certainly something that I think

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Speaker 7: is gonna be interesting with this is what Like I'm

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Speaker 7: very rarely a guy who doesn't think like I'm saying

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Speaker 7: this so weird. I always am the best player available

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Speaker 7: guy with the draft, but this year specifically, like the

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Speaker 7: Pacers probably think and maybe should like they could win

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00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,760
Speaker 7: the East next year, right like they just did they're

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Speaker 7: gonna have a lot of the same guys BacT. The

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Speaker 7: question will be how good is Tyres Haliburton post injury? Obviously,

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Speaker 7: but you know they're that good. They're that level of team,

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Speaker 7: and so of course adding a rookie in this class,

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Speaker 7: in this caliber is something they would want to do.

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Speaker 7: But teams can win the East, like you don't. You

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00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 7: do care about fit to some extent with the draft,

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00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,439
Speaker 7: right like you, Any player you add to your team

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00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 7: has to fit and help you win. Like now that

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Speaker 7: that your window is now, and maybe there is you know,

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Speaker 7: you can look at their contract alignment and say that

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Speaker 7: maybe there are some planning of there's this current era

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Speaker 7: of this team and then perhaps they resigned Tyrese Haliburton

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Speaker 7: and then there's a second era coming of Alburton running

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Speaker 7: the show and that's when this player drafted would would matter.

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Speaker 7: Now they fit with Tyree's very well, then it would

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Speaker 7: be a thing. But maybe you don't care about it's

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Speaker 7: fit about as much then, But I think you're right,

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Speaker 7: Like you have the leaders that they have, one of

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Speaker 7: them who has won a championship, One has been the

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Speaker 7: best player on a team that was half a game

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Speaker 7: away from a championship like it. You don't care about

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Speaker 7: fit or how much they necessarily fit in your culture

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Speaker 7: in some ways, because talent is what you need on

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Speaker 7: a team like that. But you actually do need to

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Speaker 7: think about the fit and the current window more than

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Speaker 7: you maybe normally would for a team drafting in the

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Speaker 7: top four. So if they think Theeterson is the best fit,

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Speaker 7: but they have all those questions, maybe they do not

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Speaker 7: care about them as much and still pick him, or

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Speaker 7: maybe they go the other way and completely say the

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Speaker 7: guy who's the most ready to contribute right now, regardless

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Speaker 7: of fit. If they think that's Boza for example, maybe

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Speaker 7: that's the guy. You know. I actually understand those factors

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Speaker 7: more for them this time than normal, which is weird

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Speaker 7: because they're actually good usually stay their way around where

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Speaker 7: you're kind of in the middle, and you pick Go

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Speaker 7: Go when you already have two centers and you know, okay,

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Speaker 7: maybe they think that's just the best player. Oh wait,

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Speaker 7: he doesn't fit at all. Like you have to always

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Speaker 7: consider these things a little bit, but I really think

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Speaker 7: they do now with you know, how much they could

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Speaker 7: win just immediately after picking.

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Speaker 3: Somebody Tony again, we're talking catching up with Tony East.

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Speaker 3: He covers the Pacers Locked on Pacers podcast. Can also

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Speaker 3: subscribe to Circle City Spin to get a little bit

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Speaker 3: of the Pacers and the fever feel Tony when I

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Speaker 3: look at the trade that was the Visa Zubots, A

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Speaker 3: lot of it has to do with the top four pick.

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Speaker 3: But how important do you think it is for him

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Speaker 3: to eventually play for the Pacers this season although it

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Speaker 3: won't be what it looks like next season when Halliburn

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Speaker 3: is back.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, certainly some value in that and learning the system

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Speaker 7: and getting up to speed. So it's not just you

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Speaker 7: know now again next year, they're gonna think they're high contender,

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Speaker 7: right They need to be trying to win and have

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Speaker 7: everything smoothed out right away. And so if you can

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Speaker 7: make it soo Zoo boxes better for day one next season,

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Speaker 7: that has like a lot of actual value to your team,

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Speaker 7: and so playing him this year does help with that.

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Speaker 7: It'll make it easier for their opening night next season.

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Speaker 7: Even if playing with Haliburn is different than not like

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Speaker 7: you've already, I think there's a center on the Pacers

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Speaker 7: right now who proves the value of that. Jay hus

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Speaker 7: first month with the team, you know, and he they

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Speaker 7: talked about his conditioning catching up to where the Pacers

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Speaker 7: did it to be, but like he was wandering for

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Speaker 7: a while trying to figure out exactly what was needed

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Speaker 7: of him in the system. And you know you can.

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Speaker 7: It's so easy to think a co I've played for

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Speaker 7: a faster team before, even though Zoobox has ever done that,

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Speaker 7: Or you know, I've moved the ball before, like I

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Speaker 7: can do that. Like, it's just different with the Pacers

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Speaker 7: and which asked of their centers, but they have to

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Speaker 7: make decisions at the top of the key and figure

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Speaker 7: out how to set their screens at the right angles

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Speaker 7: to make the affronts flow, and it's all random and quick.

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Speaker 7: So Zubats has done a lot of handoffs with the Clippers.

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Speaker 7: He's paired with jams Harden, like I have no doubt

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Speaker 7: that eventually he will be able to at least do

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Speaker 7: it with what the Pacers need and do well with

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Speaker 7: Tyry Talverton. But there is a learning curve for anyone

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Speaker 7: with the Pacers, I think, particularly big men, and so

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Speaker 7: getting him some of those reps this season is of

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Speaker 7: course significant so that next season on opening now he's

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Speaker 7: ready to go. He understands what's expected of them had

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Speaker 7: to do it. And of course I think the other

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Speaker 7: part of this is kind of what they're getting out

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Speaker 7: of playing with Obi right now, is you know, Obi

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Speaker 7: Topping and Jay Huff had a combined twenty minutes together

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Speaker 7: before Topping returned earlier this week, and Obi had never

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Speaker 7: played with Zobe Brown. Obie's never played with Zubots. Like

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Speaker 7: you're just seeing these pairings all together and figuring out

1240
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Speaker 7: who works with who, who does not work with who,

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Speaker 7: what you specifically need around certain front corn combinations, and

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Speaker 7: so see Zubats Yakam together, how that works, what they needed,

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Speaker 7: Seeing how Top and zoo Bots together looks and what

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Speaker 7: they need and all sorts of combinations like that, I

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Speaker 7: think we'll have value in terms of any decisions they

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Speaker 7: might have to make him on the roster the summer.

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Speaker 7: It might be a very straightforward offseason they just take

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Speaker 7: a guy and lose Kobe Brown in that tip, But

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Speaker 7: if they want to make some small tweaks to kind of,

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Speaker 7: you know, make all those fits better or make their

1251
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 7: team make a lot more sense, they need to know

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Speaker 7: how those players fit together and what their strengths are

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Speaker 7: as a pairing. So getting him on the floor for

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Speaker 7: you know, half ish of their Pacers remaining games, maybe

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Speaker 7: no back to backs. You know, we'll see when he

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Speaker 7: acskually returns. He told you guys last week. It's still

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Speaker 7: be a week or two more from now. Rick Carlisle.

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Speaker 7: Then great that that certainly has some value, but there

1259
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 7: is a maximum limit of that. There's no point of

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Speaker 7: running him out there for a bunch of minutes every

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Speaker 7: single night the rest of the way. So I'll be

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Speaker 7: curious how they exactly handle it if they just try

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Speaker 7: to mix and match players around him when he's in

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Speaker 7: the floor, because there is tangible value in playing a

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Speaker 7: beach zoobots at some point this.

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Speaker 4: Year, Tony last one from me, Tony us. Of course,

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Speaker 4: on the Payloffslockers hot line, if I group every single player,

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Speaker 4: you would label a Pacers bench player into one category,

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Speaker 4: and let's maybe remove Jaris Walker. Every single one you've

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Speaker 4: seen play for this team this season, who has helped

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Speaker 4: there cause the most, and is it Michael Potter?

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Speaker 7: Maybe it is recently, especially I mean he's averaging twenty

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Speaker 7: points a game in his last three games and making

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Speaker 7: a case to be their third or second center next year,

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Speaker 7: and that really matters, right, like this literally happened last year.

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00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 7: They signed Tony Bradley to a two year deal with

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Speaker 7: the team option, and everybody thought, i't have whatever. They

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Speaker 7: need a third center, but he's just a third center.

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Speaker 7: And then he played and every was like, Oh, Tony

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00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 7: Bradley's like kind of helpful. And then he played a

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Speaker 7: lot and they was like, oh, maybe he'll be back

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Speaker 7: next year, and then he played in the finals, and

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Speaker 7: then he was back the next season. Is their third

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00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 7: big and Meca Potter's kind of going through that exact

1285
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Speaker 7: ascent recently of being one of their most helpful bench

1286
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Speaker 7: pieces the last couple of weeks and maybe recently like

1287
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 7: their best most efficient bench player and defense leaves a

1288
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 7: lot to be desired to even admit it after the

1289
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Speaker 7: Grizzlies game that it was one of his worst defensive

1290
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 7: games he's had with the team. But right now they

1291
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Speaker 7: need him to be an actual scoring hub for that group.

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Speaker 7: But he's doing a pretty good job. He has a

1293
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Speaker 7: lot of good chemistry with those reserve unit ball handlers.

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Speaker 7: So you know, in terms of like that's kind of

1295
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Speaker 7: what the end of the season is about, is finding

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Speaker 7: guys who do they belong on your team? Next year,

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Speaker 7: don't they, And so far as making the case that

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Speaker 7: he does, because like you're saying, he's been quite good

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Speaker 7: as one of their bench players in this last quarter

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Speaker 7: or so of the season, getting minutes every night and

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Speaker 7: earning the minutes every night, He's not just being handed

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Speaker 7: them as evaluation, so meaningful for next year and for

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Speaker 7: this year. This Michael Potter stretch.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think Michael Potter is clearly established himself because

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Speaker 3: he was on the Olympic team two years ago briefly

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Speaker 3: with Lebron James and others. So put some respect on

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Speaker 3: Michael Potter's name.

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Speaker 7: No kidding, I mean what a crazy experience for like

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Speaker 7: him and Nigel Hayes, right, they.

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Speaker 2: Might be very confused right now.

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Speaker 3: Basically the two practice players that helped prepare Team USA

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Speaker 3: throughout some exhibition games, traveled around the world. Really think

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Speaker 3: you're ready for the Summer Olympics. Know they were not

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Speaker 3: on the official rock to sitting next to Harry's Halliburton.

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Speaker 3: But hey, if I'm Michael Potter, I'm telling my children,

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Speaker 3: if you've seen a picture with a Lebron James, we

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Speaker 3: were teammates and I was better than him. That's what

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Speaker 3: I'd be saying.

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Speaker 7: Well, when I talked to Micah, like, I don't think

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Speaker 7: they expected they were even going to play in the exhibitions,

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Speaker 7: and then they were winning by so much, you know,

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Speaker 7: go play and then they like scored points and did

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Speaker 7: real things like that's like a lifetime memory. That's awesome.

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Speaker 4: Tony East Payless Liquors Hotline against Circle City Spin, where

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Speaker 4: you can read his work. Locked on Pacers is a

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Speaker 4: great great listen Tony. Always enjoy our combos. Thank you, sir,

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Speaker 4: thanks for having me.

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Speaker 7: Guys. Good luck with all the cold stuff.