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Speaker 2: And let me tell you what happened just before we

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Speaker 2: This morning, and I'm extremely grateful to do so, and

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Speaker 2: It came down to it, Butler made that announcement today

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Speaker 2: And nobody was more the heartbeat of that than Ronald Norid.

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Speaker 2: What I know is this people with a much higher

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Speaker 1: As the kids say, that didn't used to be a

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Speaker 2: And if Butler is going to compete in the Big East,

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Jake, and I don't think any game anymore is

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Speaker 2: Were you aware of the Pig Suey? Were you aware

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Speaker 2: Pacers in action tonight at the Fieldhouse taken on The

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Speaker 2: back major League Baseball, Edie's going to be gone tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: He is all fired up. I mean all fired up.

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Speaker 5: No pressure on entry.

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Speaker 2: who joins us on the Java House Colbrew Coffee guest

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Speaker 2: line that was on Westwood one.

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Speaker 1: Iowa and Florida.

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Speaker 2: And the man that will be of course on the

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Speaker 2: microphone for the Cincinnati Reds is they get set tomorrow

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Speaker 2: as well for opening Day, joining us John Sadak joining

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Speaker 2: us on the program.

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Speaker 1: John, I'll begin with this.

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Speaker 2: When you hear those calls, do you think to yourself,

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Speaker 2: I remember exactly what I was saying then, or do

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Speaker 2: you hear it and you think, turn down the radio.

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Speaker 2: I can't stand my voice, and that sounds weird, because

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Speaker 2: that's how I am when I hear myself.

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Speaker 9: Probably all those things simultaneously. I mean, I can put

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Speaker 9: myself back in that moment and feel it, especially because

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Speaker 9: it's so fresh it was only a few nights ago.

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Speaker 9: But I also self critically think what could I have

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Speaker 9: done differently or better? And that's part of our moby

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Speaker 9: dick quest in this field, right We're searching for the

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Speaker 9: perfect broadcast, the perfect call that doesn't really exist, and

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Speaker 9: that's part of the fun of it.

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Speaker 10: The chase.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got news for you.

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Speaker 2: I my our ship sank in pursuit of our white

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Speaker 2: whale like seven years ago for this program, right, I'm

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Speaker 2: well aware of that program. John, Okay, I'll give you

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Speaker 2: the dealer's choice or not dealer's choice, I guess recipient's choice,

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Speaker 2: baseball or basketball with which would you like to start?

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Speaker 9: Well with baseball on the horizon, that's my primary gig.

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Speaker 9: Let's dive into the Red Legs.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So let's go with the Red Legs because you

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Speaker 2: know clearly this is a team that there is a

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Speaker 2: lot of hope and expectation and promise I think, and

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Speaker 2: we can get into you know, say de la Cruz

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Speaker 2: and the fabulous talent that he is. But I want

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Speaker 2: to begin with the arms and the pitching staff. Two

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Speaker 2: part question. The first would be how do you oversee

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Speaker 2: just the health of the staff of the Reds at

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Speaker 2: this point? And then secondly, is there somebody that you're

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Speaker 2: looking towards saying if they can develop and be somebody

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Speaker 2: in rotation that's really going to benefit Cincinnati.

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Speaker 11: Well.

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Speaker 9: First, on the health, I mean, the obvious is Hunter Green,

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Speaker 9: who's out until it looks like at least July. That's

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Speaker 9: assuming everything goes well from the loose bodies he had

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Speaker 9: removed in his elbow, and that's a big loss.

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Speaker 10: I mean, when Hunter is on, he.

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Speaker 9: Is as good as anybody on this Red staff and

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Speaker 9: he's one of the best in the game. He can

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Speaker 9: get strikeouts and volumes. He has shown in ability more

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Speaker 9: recently to truncate his pitch total, be a little more efficient,

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Speaker 9: give his team more innings. That's been his stated goal

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Speaker 9: these last few years. That's a huge loss. I mean,

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Speaker 9: he is a top of rotation arm that's going to

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Speaker 9: be done for over half the season, and who knows

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Speaker 9: when he's actually out there and stretched down.

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Speaker 10: And productive for this team.

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Speaker 9: Again, that said, otherwise, they're a pretty good shape. I mean,

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Speaker 9: the blister issue is a recurring factor for Nicolodolo, That

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Speaker 9: of course is concerning, But the good news is, for

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Speaker 9: the most part, it hasn't zaptam of long stretches that's

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Speaker 9: been one of the question marks.

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Speaker 10: Around all of these talented young arms.

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Speaker 9: This is a really good statf an excellent rotation, a

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Speaker 9: very very good bullpen that I think is a sneaky

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Speaker 9: under the radar improvement with a lot of the ads

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Speaker 9: that Nick Crawling Company made. But to this point, none

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Speaker 9: of these young starters have gotten through an entire season.

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Speaker 9: Nick Lodolo hasn't done it, Andrew Rabbit hasn't done it,

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Speaker 9: Hunter Green hasn't done it, and Red Lauder and Chase

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Speaker 9: Burns are still in their relative infancy as his Brandon

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Speaker 9: Williamson Brady Singer, the veteran that they acquired through trade,

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Speaker 9: is the outlier who did it. But I think that

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Speaker 9: depth can just hear how many names were rattled off

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Speaker 9: initially there. They've added Jose Franco just today, who I

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Speaker 9: think can project as a back of the rotation starter

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Speaker 9: down the road, I assume he'll be an innings zeater

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Speaker 9: as a long reliever, quasi piggyback on this first turn

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Speaker 9: of the rotation. Overall, the staff is in really good shape.

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Speaker 9: They have a lot of depth, and I think Hunter

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Speaker 9: Green his return will probably coincide when enning thresholds would

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Speaker 9: be hit by some of these younger arms. And to

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Speaker 9: kind of leap from that to your second point, I

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Speaker 9: think the name that opened the most eyes in spring

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Speaker 9: training was Red Louder after missing basically a year with

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Speaker 9: that oblique injury, and he had shared that he was

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Speaker 9: hesitant to even sneeze. That was his barometer for how

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Speaker 9: healthy he was with the oblique. By that point, he

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Speaker 9: was slicing and dicing. Every pitch looked great and moreover,

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Speaker 9: his setup. I mean, he is a really smart layered pitcher.

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Speaker 9: He knows how to approach hitters. He shined in spring

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Speaker 9: and he profiles as a guy that I think could

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Speaker 9: be particularly nasty for this Red team. To me, that's

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Speaker 9: found money because he was a bit of a question

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Speaker 9: mark coming into this year. His limited big league gttings

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Speaker 9: from a couple of years ago looked very good, but

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Speaker 9: there's always that question in that first full season when

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Speaker 9: it arrives. He has more than earned a spot in

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Speaker 9: this rotation, and I think he could be one of

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Speaker 9: the stars that if Reds fans weren't watching a lot

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Speaker 9: of spring training might be a little surprised by John.

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Speaker 2: One of the things we love on this program me

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Speaker 2: in particular, I'm a huge animal guy, huge animal lover right,

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Speaker 2: very briefly and faintly there in the background, and I

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Speaker 2: have a keen year for it because I love dogs.

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Speaker 2: I heard a dog in the background. Can I guess

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Speaker 2: the name of your dog? Sure, I'm gonna go with Vado.

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Speaker 10: Ah it is Lucky.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, well, listen, that's my neighbor's dog when I

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Speaker 2: was growing up, was by the name of Lucky, by

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Speaker 2: the way. And if it's a rescue dog, all the

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Speaker 2: better so and all more fitting. So if the Reds

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Speaker 2: are going to be lucky this year, and I don't

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Speaker 2: know that it's luck because I think we've seen that

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Speaker 2: the foundation is there, right And for Terry Francona now

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Speaker 2: in year number two, this is a guy with tons

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Speaker 2: of experience in the bigs as a manager. But were

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Speaker 2: there any areas that you felt like maybe he might

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Speaker 2: have and I'm going to use misplayed is for lack

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Speaker 2: of a better word, But are there areas that you

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Speaker 2: think Terry Francona looked at and said, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: handle my ball club differently this year than in year

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Speaker 2: one now that I have a better feel for personnel

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Speaker 2: in terms of the way that I'm managing them.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, he has volunteered himself and he thought

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Speaker 9: he made a mistake not sitting Elie de la Cruz

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Speaker 9: selectively from time to time. It's a noble endeavor that

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Speaker 9: Ellie wants to play every game, as he did this

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Speaker 9: past year. He did so while battling two different leg

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Speaker 9: injuries that clearly impacted his speed and power. You compare

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Speaker 9: his first two plus months to the rest of the year,

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Speaker 9: basically coincides with when the leg injuries first arrived. He

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Speaker 9: was a very different ballplayer. And I think they've kind

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Speaker 9: of come to a mutual conclusion. They're gonna be days

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Speaker 9: you're gonna have to dh, certain days you're gonna sit,

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Speaker 9: And assuming the right left splits remain a bit of

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Speaker 9: a bigger gap, I hope that will be slim some.

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Speaker 9: His right handed stroke look better this spring. That's probably

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Speaker 9: when it makes the most sense, right if you're facing

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Speaker 9: a leftie, have him at least shit at the start.

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Speaker 9: If you have a chance to win the game, you

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Speaker 9: have a matchup, yeah, have him pitched hit.

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Speaker 10: In the seventh inning.

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Speaker 9: Maybe he plays the rest of the way. Try to

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Speaker 9: get a win, of course, but manage that workload on Ellie.

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Speaker 10: He is a bigger dude.

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Speaker 9: He has put on even a little bit more thickness,

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Speaker 9: good weight, strength. You can really see it in his arms,

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Speaker 9: in his chest, and hopefully the biggest benefit from that is.

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Speaker 10: Not more power.

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Speaker 9: He doesn't need that, he already has plenty of pop

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Speaker 9: and plenty of zip on his throat. But greater health

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Speaker 9: the muscle base can help him more. He's not, you know, herculean.

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Speaker 9: He's not overwhelmingly jacked. He's just a little stronger from

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Speaker 9: that wiry guy that he was when he first arrived.

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Speaker 9: He's growing into his man body a little bit. And

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Speaker 9: I also think bullpen usage. You know, Terry Franccona, You

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Speaker 9: look at how he handled Cleveland, which I think is

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Speaker 9: a really good mirror and parallel to this Reds team

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Speaker 9: on a lot of levels, and he went heavy with

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Speaker 9: his best bullpen arms, and that happened with the Reds

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Speaker 9: with Emilio Pagan and Tony Sanion, who I think were

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Speaker 9: really really good last year and considered the Pagan was

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Speaker 9: going in in four run situations regularly, non save. That's

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Speaker 9: something that Tito has done Boston and Cleveland before. I

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Speaker 9: think part of that was also just the depth of

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Speaker 9: Red's bullpen. This year's Red's bullpen, that's where the ads,

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Speaker 9: Brock Burke, Caleb Ferguson will begin the year on the

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Speaker 9: il Pierce Johnson, really talented arms, more veteran arms, more

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Speaker 9: ability to mix and match and left right matchup, and

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Speaker 9: I think because of that you can cut down a

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Speaker 9: little bit on the.

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Speaker 10: Endings of those two guys.

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Speaker 9: Now, if he's in a Gona Abbott moment, he's going

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Speaker 9: to go to his best guys, and I think you

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Speaker 9: want to do that, win that game and then deal

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Speaker 9: with the ramifications thereafter.

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Speaker 10: But because of the.

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Speaker 9: Options he'll have, especially as those guys, assuming they do

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Speaker 9: go out and execute and get the job done, then

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Speaker 9: you probably don't see the burnout in Emilia Pagan and

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Speaker 9: Tony Johnny On that clearly was there when they were

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Speaker 9: managed much more carefully in the last month five weeks

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Speaker 9: of the season.

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Speaker 1: That is the voice of John Saidak.

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Speaker 2: Of course, you can see him with the Reds broadcast

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Speaker 2: over the course of the year for MLBtv.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's switch to basketball.

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Speaker 2: Where you were on the mic for Westwood one through

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Speaker 2: and up to the Sweet sixteen, you had Iowa, Florida

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Speaker 2: and Ali Labama, Texas Tech. I'll begin with the first

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Speaker 2: one that upset of Iowa. John, at the risk of

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Speaker 2: sounding elementary in the question, did that tell us more

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Speaker 2: about Iowa or maybe more about what Florida did not do?

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Speaker 10: I think it's as always a little bit of both, right.

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Speaker 9: I think Iowa had a great game plan. I think

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Speaker 9: one of the things we learned from that is that

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Speaker 9: Ben McCollum is a great coach. He showed it obviously

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Speaker 9: at the Division two level where he coached Tommy Thrall

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Speaker 9: radio voice of the Reds Alma Mater to Division two

636
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Speaker 9: dominance for a long long time. They know each other,

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Speaker 9: they share some mutual acquaintances. They just denied the paint

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Speaker 9: to Florida, and I don't know that many in the

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Speaker 9: country even thought that was that possible, and they were

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Speaker 9: able to do it. They were sneaky quick. I think

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Speaker 9: that's something Tom Crean was on as we saw their

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Speaker 9: game plan. We were allowed access to their shoot around,

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Speaker 9: and there's a deceptive speed to their team and they

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Speaker 9: were funneling the ball to certain spots and Florida had

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Speaker 9: a really hard time adjusting to it. I'm not sure

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Speaker 9: how often Florida saw that game plan with that speed

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Speaker 9: and that.

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Speaker 10: Team effectiveness during the course of the year.

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Speaker 9: So I think for this year they presented a blueprint

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Speaker 9: based on this year's personnel for Florida, probably how.

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Speaker 10: To best handle them.

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Speaker 9: And this is a Gator club that started staggered fashion

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Speaker 9: but was really tested by tough schedule beginning five and

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Speaker 9: four and then on that short list of the four

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Speaker 9: or five most dominant teams in America over stretch of

656
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 9: twenty five games. But that's part of the joy of

657
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 9: March Madness. I also think that some of the stylistic

658
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 9: and personnel differences SEC versus Big ten SEC has a

659
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 9: lot of that explosive athleticism. It was probably a tough

660
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 9: matchup two for Florida because a lot of their perimeter

661
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,479
Speaker 9: players would want to just lob passes into the post

662
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 9: for a high low and Iowa was positioned perfectly to

663
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 9: deny that. And that's something then McCollums said repeatedly in

664
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 9: their shoot around, Hey, we got to pick our poison, right,

665
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 9: we can take away something, we can't take away everything.

666
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 9: That's what they wanted to deny, and they were able

667
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 9: to do so at a high level. I also think

668
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 9: Bennett Seertz is a really talented player that goes beyond

669
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 9: the box score the way he can handle and manufacture tempo.

670
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 9: They controlled the tempo of that game, which they needed

671
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 9: to do, and did so against a gargantuan offense that

672
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 9: was the best rebounding team America had seen in a

673
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 9: quarter century.

674
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: I thought, you know, I watched and I think the

675
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 2: world both the way Ben McCollum coaches and then the

676
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: way Texas Tech is. Texas Tech to me is as

677
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: fundamentally sound as anybody in college basketball, and they were

678
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 2: eviscerated by Alabama and the athleticism of the Tide.

679
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: I know you had that game as well.

680
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: Anybody else jump out at you that you have seen

681
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: over the course of the year that you look at

682
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: and say, you might not hear people talking about them,

683
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: but they're really impressive.

684
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I think Iowa State it does get

685
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 9: a lot of praise.

686
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 10: The TJ.

687
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 9: Alsoberger is a tremendous coach, and Kentucky was thumping them

688
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 9: in the early stage of that matchup to get to

689
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 9: this sixteen, and I thought their ability to withstand that

690
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 9: storm and then just deliver an a maker to obliterate

691
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 9: the Wildcats by a final score to set up a

692
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 9: matchup with a Rick Barnes team that always defends He's

693
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 9: an excellent coach in his own right, But I think

694
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 9: that Iowa State Club is much better than a lot

695
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 9: of people intimately understand on a national basis. And I

696
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 9: would echo what you said about Texas Tech and Grant McCaslin.

697
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 10: I think he's a superior coach.

698
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 9: I did think that the absence of JT top and

699
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 9: finally caught up to them. And I do wonder how

700
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 9: limited Christian Anderson was with that groin injury that he

701
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 9: had suffered in the Big twelve tournament. Of course, they

702
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 9: had that led floor and there were two Red Raiders

703
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 9: went down in a very rapid fire fashion during the

704
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 9: course of that tournament, and then they elected to change

705
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 9: the floor the next day.

706
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 10: He didn't.

707
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 9: He's not really an explosive off the bounce guy, but

708
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 9: he didn't quite look the same. And he does everything

709
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 9: for them. So when you lose your best player in JT.

710
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 9: Toppin for the year with a knee injury, and then

711
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 9: your next best player, San Anderson, who's the facilitator of

712
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 9: your team, is not one hundred. That's true of a

713
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 9: lot of star players in the tournament. But I think

714
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 9: that just caught up in Alabama. Alabama's good. I mean,

715
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 9: they're really good. I think Natoates could coach some ball

716
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 9: and they can put up points. They can just outgun

717
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 9: and outscore a lot of teams.

718
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 2: Lastly, Tom Crane's pretty good as an analyst, didn't he.

719
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: I mean, we obviously knew him as a coach here,

720
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 2: I didn't know him well as a person. We've had

721
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 2: him on this radio station several times. He's always accommodating,

722
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 2: but man, I really enjoy listening to him. I mean,

723
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 2: I think he's really insightful and he appears growing very

724
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 2: comfortable as an analyst.

725
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 9: I totally agree. We did his first tournament together a

726
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 9: couple of years ago. We were set to be together

727
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 9: last year again. He had a speaking engagement that prompted

728
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 9: a change of his site that were reunited this year.

729
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 9: He's that way and more so even off the year

730
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 9: as well, because, as you know, on radio, it's a

731
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 9: tighter time to be able to get information in. We

732
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 9: have a lot of ads, understandably so during the NCAA tournament,

733
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 9: he's so inclusive, so keenly observational. I love sitting with

734
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 9: him as teams were going through, particularly their day before

735
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 9: the round of thirty two games, true walkthroughs and asking

736
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 9: what do you see?

737
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 10: What does that mean? What do you expect?

738
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 9: Even the first one he kind of called Iowa Florida.

739
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 9: I think most people nationally just dismissed gamers by a billion, right,

740
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 9: Who cares who wins the eight nine game.

741
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 10: They're the reigning champs.

742
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 9: They have so much firepower they're gonna stomp whoever they play.

743
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 9: And when he saw the game plan from Iowa, he

744
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 9: started tilting his head, chewing on his pen, nodding a

745
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 9: little bit.

746
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 10: He's like, I think this can work. I really think

747
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 10: this can work.

748
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 9: He does his homework and his studio work with ESPN

749
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 9: as well, gives him such a big broad view of

750
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 9: the country.

751
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 10: You know, He's able to work for a number of networks.

752
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 9: He sees a lot of leagues, and he is a

753
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 9: really good anticipatory feel. The guy knows basketball and he

754
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 9: loves sharing that knowledge.

755
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 2: John appreciate it a lot. Four ten tomorrow will appreciate

756
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: it as well. When the Reds get underway, of course,

757
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 2: a great tradition opening Cincinnati the Red Sox as well,

758
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: great tradition between both clubs, and we look forward to

759
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: seeing it. Should be a good year for the Reds.

760
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 2: Would look forward to having you back on. But I

761
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: certainly appreciate the time today.

762
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 9: Greatest opening day Baseball, Thanks for.

763
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 10: Having me go Risch.

764
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 2: That's right, John Sadak joining us from the Reds, MLB

765
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: TV and again Westwood One as well ed Carpenter. In

766
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: about thirty and forty five minutes from now, we're going

767
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 2: to talk to a guy that is getting the Boilers ready.

768
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: Not Matt Painter, but Elliott Bloom.

769
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: Always a great conversation as Purdue in Texas gets set

770
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 2: for the Sweet sixteen. Oh, Eddie, just taking me back man.

771
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 11: Sticks.

772
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 2: There's something about Styx that you know in Big Daddy,

773
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: they say Styx is one of the most underrated bands

774
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 2: and they're a little bit cheesy, but yet there's something

775
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 2: about just his voice that like immediately takes you back

776
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 2: early eighties.

777
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: Eddie's spinning the hits.

778
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: On this hum day, Wednesday, Ronald Norid is the new

779
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 2: basketball coach at Butler, and he will officially be introduced

780
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: on Friday, but that announcement earlier today, and a couple

781
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 2: of things that I'll share here. When the bad mood

782
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 2: of thing, and I know everybody says, like it just

783
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 2: is kind of odd, right that it was. At first

784
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: it was that mood is coming back, and then it's well, no,

785
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: he's going to retire. I think I don't know this,

786
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 2: but my assumption would be I think Butler did him

787
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 2: a solid and basically said, look, you know, you have

788
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: earned the right if you so choose to leave, to

789
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 2: do so on your own terms. And I'm not saying

790
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: that they were ready to part ways with him, but

791
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 2: I think that they, knowing that there was the possibility

792
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: that Thad Mada written may retire, I think Butler put

793
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 2: that statement out in advance of it to make it

794
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 2: very clear so that there was no speculation about how

795
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: it went down, to make it very clear to everyone

796
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 2: that in fact, that was Thad Mada's decision. And immediately

797
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 2: the name that first jumped out was Travis Steel of Miami,

798
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 2: who is of course the half brother of John Gross

799
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 2: of Akron, and both of them have ties along the

800
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 2: way with that Mada and it seemed as though both

801
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: of those were natural names. And Ronald Norids was there

802
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 2: in the mix as well because of the fact that

803
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 2: he is coaching in the NBA and he's a Butler guy,

804
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 2: and he's you know, just kind of a coach's coach

805
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 2: all the way through, right in terms of he was

806
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 2: a coach on the floor when he was a player.

807
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 4: See the reporting from friend of the Show Charlie Clifford

808
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 4: Jacob in Cincinnati did not.

809
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 3: Sources that told I think it's.

810
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 4: Wow there in Cincinnati where he's at that John John Gross,

811
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 4: Travis Steele was never pursued by Butler, correct.

812
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I would agree with that. I'll tell you why.

813
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: That's what I was getting to is when initially that

814
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: was the thought was he was going to be the guy.

815
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 2: Then if you go back and look at it, what

816
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: we talked about on the show was there was something

817
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: and I don't know whether it was the time at

818
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 2: Xavier and he was seventy and fifty and Xavier. But

819
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 2: while his name jumped out initially, as I started to

820
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: talk to people more people told me he's not a

821
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 2: candidate and that it looked if you think about when

822
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: we had on Tom Crean and Tom Crean, I said

823
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: Gross or Nora ed because it looks like Steele. Initially,

824
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 2: that was the name everybody jumped to because there were

825
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 2: thirty one and one at that time. But I don't

826
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 2: know that they're going to pursue that, and Cream seemed

827
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,479
Speaker 2: to kind of feel, you know, say, as well, yeah,

828
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: that's what I understand.

829
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what the.

830
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: Backstory is there, but there clearly is one as to

831
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 2: why Butler did not pursue that. Now John Gross, as

832
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 2: I understand it, John Gross and that Mada have been

833
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: close for a very long time. I'm not saying that

834
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 2: Gross wasn't still a candidate and wasn't one that they

835
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: would have gone towards, for example, if Nora d wasn't

836
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 2: you know, didn't have interest or they couldn't come to

837
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 2: an agreement.

838
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: Or whatever else.

839
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 2: But there was a player that was being recruited by

840
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: both Ohio State and Illinois and as I understand it,

841
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 2: I'm just the messenger here. But as I understand it,

842
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: John Gross and that Mada, who were very close, and

843
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 2: that Moda or representatives for Thad Mada at Ohio State

844
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 2: got word that this player and you get this a

845
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 2: lot in recruiting. Coaches start recruiting against other coaches. Now,

846
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,720
Speaker 2: what do you mean you have an interest in that school,

847
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 2: their coaches. You know, he's not going to be there

848
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 2: in two years. He's already looking to go out. There's

849
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 2: a rumor that he's talking to such and such a

850
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 2: program or you know that if this job opens up,

851
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 2: that coach isn't going to be there. You come here,

852
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to be here all four years. And it

853
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 2: is my understanding that there was a player being recruited

854
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: by Ohio State and Illinois both and that there was

855
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: the insinuation that John Gross mentioned to the player in

856
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 2: the recruiting process. Look, Thatad mod is not going to

857
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: be there for all four of your years because look

858
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 2: at his health. He's going to walk away from coaching,

859
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 2: and you're going to sign up for something where you're

860
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 2: not going to be able to complete it to the

861
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 2: end with that coach and I'm not saying that that

862
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 2: fractured totally their relationship, but as I understand it, I

863
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 2: do think it soured it. And they've been very close

864
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 2: and friendships have ebb and flow, and it's very possible

865
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: those two are now as tight as can be. You know,

866
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, but in the event that that still

867
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 2: is there, assuming that Thad Mda had some say in

868
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: who his successor was going to be, I think that

869
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 2: could be one thing also that stood in the way

870
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 2: of John Gross landing that job. But nor Ed may

871
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: well have been their vision from day one. And there's

872
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 2: no doubt about the fact that Ronald Norid is the

873
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: one guy out of all of them that you can

874
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 2: mention that probably has the most mark free resume. He's

875
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 2: a well liked guy. He is He always felt like

876
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 2: there are certain players, Eddie. You mentioned the other day

877
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 2: when we were talking about perfect games and no hitters,

878
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 2: and you said, well, you got to give credit a

879
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: lot of times to the catcher, because the catcher is

880
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 2: kind of the he's the guy seeing everything, he's calling

881
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: the game, he's under you know, he anticipates a lot.

882
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 2: And I think that there are certain basketball players and

883
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 2: it's usually the point guard. But there are certain players

884
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 2: that you look at on the floor and you say

885
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 2: that guy is a basketball coach that happens to right

886
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: now be playing basketball. And Nora had always felt that way.

887
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 2: He was always in the right spot and was very

888
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 2: aware and was just an extension clearly of what it

889
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 2: was that Brad Stevens wanted done.

890
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: And so therefore he's in this position.

891
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 4: I think he brings something that Butler is needed a

892
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 4: little bit too, Jake, and just someone who's going to

893
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 4: instill some life, some energy into that program because he's

894
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 4: going to be a guy that players are going to

895
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 4: enjoy playing for and want to play for because of

896
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 4: the energy and the passion that he will have on

897
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 4: the sidelines and certainly in practices as well.

898
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 2: And again he comes after working with Quinn Snyder, you know,

899
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 2: most recently at least in Atlanta on that bench, and

900
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 2: Quinn Snyder is a guy that's got a pretty good

901
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: basketball offensive mind in particular. I know you can look

902
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 2: at Quinn Cider's record and be like, really, but I

903
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 2: do think that he's a pretty good basketball mind. Butler

904
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 2: the big story today with Ronald Norid, but there were

905
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 2: a couple of other Butler in basketball stories that were

906
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 2: of note in central Indiana.

907
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 1: Today.

908
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 2: We will get to that and Elliott Bloom coming up

909
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 2: the bottom of the hour Man A good look a

910
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 2: day outside and already a busy day. Mentioned it earlier

911
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 2: off the top of the program.

912
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 3: You know what it looks like outside, Jake.

913
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 2: Well, you know somebody who keeps putting these blinds down?

914
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 2: I mean I did when it was gray out. I

915
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 2: didn't want to look outside, but now it's beautiful outside.

916
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 4: Well see I would always pull them up, and then

917
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 4: you would come in and pull them down because.

918
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 3: Your little eyes or who sensitive to sunlights.

919
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 2: Well, when the snow's out there, that's why have these

920
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 2: beautiful blue eyes. I mean, as many people call them

921
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 2: with my eyes the money makers, but they because they're

922
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,479
Speaker 2: a very gorgeous light blue, Carolina blue.

923
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 1: Really, they they're more sensitive to light.

924
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 4: I will say that my eyes are also sensitive when

925
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 4: I get outside. Yeah, fair, No, but I was going

926
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 4: to say, it looks like great a for baseball. That's

927
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 4: what it looks like outside, you know.

928
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 2: I picked up so earlier this morning, I got up,

929
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 2: went down, went to the AEES Indiana building where they

930
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 2: had an announcement. It was fun. I got to moderate it.

931
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 2: That is my number one fear in life is public speaking.

932
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 2: So I got no sleep last night, so please, and

933
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 2: I switched to Sanka so have a heart. And I

934
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,240
Speaker 2: went down because Ed Carpenter is going to be sponsored

935
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: by AEES Indiana along with slim Fast and Splenda for

936
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 2: the Indianapolis five hundred, his twenty third attempt at the race.

937
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 2: He sat on pull three times of course in his career.

938
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 2: Ed's going to join us about fifteen minutes from now.

939
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 2: But I sat down and two things. Number one they

940
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: had sitting right there, and I went ahead and picked

941
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 2: one up the pocket schedule for the Indianapolis Indians.

942
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 1: And yeah, baseball's upon us right.

943
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 4: Opening day for the Indians on Friday. Correct, the VIC

944
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 4: is going to be sixty. I don't know.

945
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 3: Actually three game series against Saint Paul.

946
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: Darryl Strawberry played for Saint Paul's. That a different Saint Paul.

947
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 3: Oh Friday Thunderstorm's highest sixty.

948
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 2: Five sixty is the deal. Though it's got to be sixty.

949
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 2: You get your tickets for a later date if it's

950
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 2: under sixty degrees. But the so the Butler story, you

951
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 2: know here, I am with Ed Carpenter, a Butler guy

952
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 2: at AEES Indiana, to announce this sponsorship and partnership for

953
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 2: the eighty five hundred, and the bulletin comes across my

954
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 2: phone right then that of the Ronald Norid News and

955
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 2: you know that again with Norad for Butler, that is

956
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 2: about I think as much looking forward to what he

957
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 2: represents as it is holding on to the past of

958
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 2: where he has been with them. Matt Howard, one of

959
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 2: his teammates, going to join us. Good get by Eddie

960
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 2: there coming up here in just about an hour, and

961
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 2: we'll find out a little bit more from a guy

962
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 2: that was you know, could kind of see inside huddles

963
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 2: on the floor into the locker room.

964
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: What kind of guy, Ronald nor it is.

965
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 2: But that happened this morning and then you know, I'm

966
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 2: sitting there and I'm like, man, it's baseball season and

967
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 2: the weather is just perfect outside, and it was a

968
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 2: gorgeous morning this morning. For that, And then I also

969
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 2: love the fact that you're heading into you got the

970
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 2: Lake Show in town tonight, and that springboards you into

971
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 2: tomorrow where we will talk plenty about while Eddie's down

972
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 2: at Great America Ballpark. The sweet sixteen matchup in San

973
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 2: Jose of Purdue and Texas, and Texas is one of those.

974
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know a ton about Texas. Elliott

975
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 2: will be able to give us a little more insight

976
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 2: into that. But what I do know is this, there

977
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 2: is a danger and all teams have run into this

978
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 2: since the beginning of time. I'm sure that UNLV when

979
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 2: they blitzed through the NCAA tournament with the largest margin

980
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 2: of victory average average margin of victory, I should say,

981
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 2: in tournament history, eclipsing Bob Knight's eighty one Indiana team,

982
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 2: and they were blowing people out of the building, and

983
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 2: they got to mcnichol's arena in Denver against Duke in

984
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 2: the national Championship game and made a mockery of it,

985
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 2: beat him by thirty three. I think it was in

986
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 2: the final, Eddie. You can test my memory. I believe

987
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 2: the final score of the nineteen ninety NCAA Championship game

988
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 2: was either one O three to seventy UNLV over Duke

989
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 2: or one O three to seventy three. But I think

990
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 2: it was one oh three to seventy in nineteen ninety,

991
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 2: and that final four would have consisted of Arkansas, Georgia Tech,

992
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 2: Duke and Vegas. I'm pretty certain with Georgia Tech. I'm

993
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 2: trying to think here. I think that's right. Georgia Tech

994
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 2: and Duke in one semi in Arkansas and Vegas may

995
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,240
Speaker 2: be in the other if I'm not mistaken.

996
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 1: Could be wrong.

997
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 3: Yep, Duke Arkansas, Georgia Tech UNLV And.

998
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 2: What was the Georgia Tech UNV? Okay, so I had

999
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: that flip flop? What was the final?

1000
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 3: What'd you say?

1001
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 2: Oh? No, it was Georgia Tech August okay one O

1002
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 2: three seventy or one O three seventy.

1003
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 3: Three, one O three seventy three. Okay.

1004
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 2: In that Sweet sixteen Vegas played Ball State and Chandler

1005
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 2: Thompson Paris McCurdy.

1006
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 3: And you know that do you do.

1007
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: Chandler Thompson? How do you do? One of the great calls?

1008
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 2: And I'm sure you NLV probably looked at Ball State,

1009
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 2: who had defeated Oregon State and Louisville and said, yeah, okay,

1010
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 2: I mean.

1011
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: But you know it's Ball State. No disrespect to Ball State,

1012
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 1: but you what I'm saying, right.

1013
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 12: And.

1014
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: That that comes with when you enter into I think

1015
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 2: it is very easy to look past who you're playing

1016
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 2: in the regional semi final, because you start looking towards

1017
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 2: the final four and what the roadmap is, like, Oh

1018
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 2: my gosh, we're gonna have to play so and so

1019
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 2: or one went away from the final four, will you

1020
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 2: forget about that semi final game? And I don't think

1021
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 2: Purdue is going to do that with Texas number one.

1022
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 2: There's obviously with Heidi familiarity with the Texas roster, even

1023
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 2: though he is not their leading scorer, but he's an

1024
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 2: important part of what they do. But Sean Miller has

1025
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 2: been around. He's been on kind of both sides of it.

1026
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 2: He's been the hunter in Arizona. He's been or the hunted,

1027
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 2: I should say, at Arizona. He's been the hunter at Xavier,

1028
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 2: and now here he is at Texas, where did not

1029
00:56:55,320 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 2: have the year that was anticipated, probably never really go

1030
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 2: footing or stability in terms of where they wanted to

1031
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 2: be and who they wanted to be, and now it's

1032
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 2: come together for them. And maybe the play in game

1033
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 2: in Dayton was a big part of that. I mean,

1034
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 2: maybe that's what got them centered and focused in the

1035
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 2: right direction. But it's it would be easy for fans

1036
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 2: certainly myself included to look at Purdue and say, man

1037
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 2: the final fours in Indie the last year they played

1038
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 2: in Indie and were defeated by Houston, but really played

1039
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 2: well in that game. Houston's really good and was really

1040
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:40,479
Speaker 2: good a year ago, obviously, and you know it would

1041
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 2: be was that last year or two years ago? It

1042
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 2: feels like five years ago when Prdue lost to Houston.

1043
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 2: That was last year, right, it was last year was

1044
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 2: here and so therefore you understand why it's easy to

1045
00:57:55,320 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 2: overlook it. It feels like the proverbial trap game going

1046
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 2: against the only double digit seed left in the tournament.

1047
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,919
Speaker 2: But as we talked about earlier in the show, kind

1048
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 2: of the theme for the day, it's not as much

1049
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 2: about dwelling in the past and holding on to it

1050
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 2: as it is racing towards the what's next while keeping

1051
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 2: in mind of or learning from things of the past.

1052
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 2: And in the case of Purdue North Texas Arkansas, certainly

1053
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 2: Saint Peter's Fairleigh Dickinson, that program, not this group of

1054
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 2: players per se, but that program. They have seen what

1055
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 2: happens with the pitfalls and the trap game of looking

1056
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 2: ahead and glancing past it, and I just don't think

1057
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 2: that's going to happen. But there's also a rust that

1058
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 2: can settle in when teams come off of you know,

1059
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 2: especially rush.

1060
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: May be more the case for Texas because here's Texas

1061
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: that had.

1062
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 2: To play not one, but two, but three games to

1063
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 2: get to this point and then all of a sudden,

1064
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 2: you shut it down for a little bit. And I'll

1065
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 2: be curious to talk when we talk to Elliott Bloom

1066
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 2: coming up here, the director of basketball operations for Purdue,

1067
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 2: who's been on the show before. We talked to Elliott,

1068
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 2: and I will be real curious to hear just how

1069
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 2: they handle the travel, because.

1070
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: You come home and then you know, what do you do?

1071
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: And that's what always.

1072
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 2: To me where I was so cynical about the college

1073
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 2: football playoff, Well, we can't have a college football playoff

1074
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 2: because these are student athletes and they'd be spending too

1075
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 2: much time away from class. You say that, but what

1076
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 2: about the NCAA tournament. I mean, when's the last time

1077
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 2: honestly that that perdue that those guys were all living

1078
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 2: on campus and walking over to Mackie and having practice.

1079
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 2: I mean, good lord, between the Big Ten tournament, turn

1080
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 2: right around off to the insta tournament, turn right around

1081
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 2: off to San Jose.

1082
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 5: I mean.

1083
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 3: You live that.

1084
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: No.

1085
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 2: I do it partially because I like the fact that,

1086
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 2: like you, when you hit me out of left field

1087
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 2: with the hawk to a sounder that I wasn't anticipating,

1088
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 2: I couldn't keep a straight face when you'd play it.

1089
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Speaker 1: And so.

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Speaker 2: I noticed that when I do that sounder, for some reason,

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Speaker 2: you seem to get an almost an uncomfortable childlike joy

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Speaker 2: out of it.

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Speaker 3: What you giggle, that's Tony East, not me.

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Speaker 2: You giggle when I do that. No, Tony does like

1095
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 2: it too. It's very popular and kids love it. They

1096
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Speaker 2: we've I was out the other day and just doing

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01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 2: my own you know, grocery shop and mine in my

1098
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:50,919
Speaker 2: own business, sorting through the getting Boo some new things. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean for the anniversary of his adoption. But I

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Speaker 2: was just going through like i'd normally do, and you know,

1101
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 2: looking through the candle open, shaking him up, find him

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01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 2: what's fresh, right, and just doing my shop. And and

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Speaker 2: somebody just came up and said excuse me, And I

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Speaker 2: said yeah. They said, do you know what it sounds

1105
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Speaker 2: like if you were to quickly go over to the

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Speaker 2: deli and I said, oh yeah, I just goes it

1107
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 2: and the little kid right there and she said, Johnny,

1108
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 2: here knew that you were.

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Speaker 1: Going to do that. People love it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Oh I'm serious and they oftentimes too. They and

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Speaker 2: then they ask about get to know your listener because

1112
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 2: market research on that has been overwhelmingly positive, especially in

1113
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 2: the ten and under demo, which we have a ton

1114
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 2: of that listened from twelve to three. Now we question

1115
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 2: whether or not you know, that's good parenting because they

1116
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 2: should be in school and certainly kids we're in spring

1117
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 2: break right now, Jake, Yeah, I know, I know, And

1118
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 2: that's why our listenership skyrockets. Kids clamor for it. I

1119
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 2: mean a lot of kids go to spring break. They

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Speaker 2: will talk about spring break or Springbolt. No, not in

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Speaker 2: this town, Quarry and Co. That's what the kids are

1122
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Speaker 2: all about. We have a ton of research that indicates this.

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Speaker 2: But of the Sweet sixteen matchups, I'd like to know, Eddie,

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Speaker 2: for your standpoint, which game you find to be not

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Speaker 2: the most intriguing but the hardest to just.

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Speaker 1: Get a read on. Where you're like, man, this could

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01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: go one of two ways.

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Speaker 2: And because there's always a blowout in the Sweet sixteen

1129
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 2: also right, But is there a game or a matchup

1130
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Speaker 2: that you look towards and you say, I don't know,

1131
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 2: I can't get a firm hold on which way it's

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Speaker 2: going to go.

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Speaker 4: Duke Saint John's really good. I think it's a really

1134
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 4: good matchup. Obviously, the Blue Devils are the number one

1135
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 4: overall seon in the tournament, but Saint Johns's looked really,

1136
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 4: really good Defensively, it's gonna be a matter of are

1137
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 4: they gonna be able to make enough shots against Duke.

1138
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 4: The other one that I don't have a read on

1139
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 4: per se would be Michigan State in Yukon.

1140
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd agree with that because one of those two,

1141
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 2: I don't know which it is between Michigan State and Yukon.

1142
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 2: But if I had to pick two teams in the

1143
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 2: tournament that are the most intriguing in terms of are

1144
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 2: the legitimate national title level contender or are they at

1145
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 2: the ceiling like after two rounds, both of those teams

1146
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 2: to me could be either one of them.

1147
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. And that NCA.

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Speaker 4: Tournament survival pool that I mean Jake and I talked about,

1149
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Speaker 4: I think was Monday, trying to get an idea on

1150
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 4: who I should pick for tomorrow Sweet sixteen. And then

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Speaker 4: on Friday I used Michigan State as one of my

1152
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 4: early picks just because it just seems like as of

1153
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 4: late with tom isso they're a team that either gets

1154
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 4: a first round or second round exit or they somehow

1155
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 4: make it to the Sweet sixteen and threatening to make

1156
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Speaker 4: it to an elite eate in the final four.

1157
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 2: I think Illinois Houston is interesting as well too. Illinois

1158
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 2: the way they can space and shoot, and they can

1159
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 2: shoot from anywhere, and when you have a key ball

1160
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 2: handler that's out that comes back two thirds the way

1161
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 2: through the season, you know that can be you don't

1162
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 2: know how the team is going to respond to it.

1163
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 2: And then Houston and the way they defend, and I

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Speaker 2: can you imagine for you Indiana fans, I'd like to

1165
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 2: know this, And I've asked this before because it was heck,

1166
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Speaker 2: it was the case last year in the tournament. But

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Speaker 2: if the Final four is here in Indianapolis at Lucas

1168
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 2: Oil Stadium, who to Indiana fans root for? If it's

1169
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 2: Kelvin Samson against Purdue.

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Speaker 3: I mean Jack Daniels surfside.

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Speaker 1: Surfside, it's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: Joining us now on the Java House Colbrew Coffee guest Line,

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Speaker 2: and again if you're going to go into a Java

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Speaker 2: House in any of their locations two Up and Downtown,

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Speaker 2: two in the Carmel area, one in Broaderpool, Many and

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Speaker 2: Lafayette used the code Jake twenty five on the Java

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Speaker 2: House app. You have downloaded and you're gonna get twenty

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Speaker 2: five percent off. You know what that sounds like on

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Speaker 2: the discount Eddie roaring his way to broad a bool

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Speaker 2: right now to get that discount. Is Ed Carpenter, who

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Speaker 2: joins us on the Java House col Brew Coffee guest

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Speaker 2: Line after an announcement today that we now know who

1183
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 2: is going to be on the car as he pilots

1184
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Speaker 2: it for what be his twenty third Indianapolis five hundred start, Ed,

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Speaker 2: how are you.

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Speaker 13: I'm doing great. I haven't made it very far since

1187
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 13: I saw you this morning. I'm still down near the circle,

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Speaker 13: but having a good day.

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Speaker 2: You know what, it is a good day, and that's

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Speaker 2: because and tell me how this all came about. Aes

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Speaker 2: Indiana who has been a part of the Indianapolis five

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Speaker 2: hundred before. They've been a part of the five hundred

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Speaker 2: festival parade. A number of different things. But now on

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Speaker 2: the car for ECR in Car thirty three for you

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Speaker 2: in the Indy five hundred. How long has this been

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Speaker 2: in the works?

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Speaker 13: It was about a year long process. They had actually

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Speaker 13: reached out, as you know, they've been a longtime partner

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Speaker 13: of the five hundred Festival Parade and kind of had

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Speaker 13: some community community involvement initiatives around that, and they're looking

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Speaker 13: to do something different but still wanted to kind of

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Speaker 13: have a mark and be a part of the May activities.

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Speaker 13: And they had they had done something years ago with

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Speaker 13: Sah Karum and Dreyan Rayboldt, and they enjoyed it and

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Speaker 13: wanted to kind of venture back that direction with some

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Speaker 13: of their efforts. So they had some outreach and then

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Speaker 13: over the course of the year we put something together

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Speaker 13: that I think is going to work well for everybody.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: One of the questions that you and I want to

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Speaker 2: get to butler with you in a second here as well,

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Speaker 2: but one of the questions that I thought was interesting

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Speaker 2: when we were down with aes folks today, there was

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Speaker 2: a really good question. I wanted you to expand upon

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Speaker 2: it for our audience, and that is when you're a

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Speaker 2: race strategist as you are for Alexander Rossi over the

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Speaker 2: course of the year, and you are the CEO of

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Speaker 2: ECR Racing, which you are for the totality of the year,

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Speaker 2: and then you switch that over to now, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to run in the Indy five hundred. How do you

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Speaker 2: kind of flip mentally from team manager to team player

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Speaker 2: but also opponent.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean you really just have to be disciplined

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01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 13: in understanding what particular role you're in, whether it's you know,

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Speaker 13: me as a driver, me is you know, the the

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Speaker 13: head of the team as CEO, or on race days

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Speaker 13: a strategy strategist, because it's kind of interesting, you know,

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Speaker 13: I'm responsible for a car, you know, but there's there's

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Speaker 13: moments where you know, we may need to work together,

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Speaker 13: be a different strategies or whatever. So you know in

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Speaker 13: moments like that, Tim Broyles, our team president, actually has

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Speaker 13: authority over me, like from any team decisions, you know.

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Speaker 13: So you really just have to understand kind of the

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01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 13: dynamic and what my what my role is that day,

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Speaker 13: because they vary depending on on what I'm doing and

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Speaker 13: figuratively what hat I'm wearing.

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Speaker 2: We are sixty days, I believe if I'm not mistaken

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Speaker 2: from the Indy five hundred when you whenever you have

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Speaker 2: the unveiling of a new car and a you know,

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Speaker 2: a primary or a secondary sponsor, whatever it might be,

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01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 2: then you know that all the ducks are kind of

1242
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,959
Speaker 2: getting in a row. At what point during the build

1243
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Speaker 2: up of the Indy five hundre or does Ed Carpenter

1244
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 2: become the most nervous.

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Speaker 13: I mean, there's there's anticipation along the way in anxiety.

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01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 13: I would say, we'll have our open test at the

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01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 13: end of April, which is the first time everyone shows up,

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Speaker 13: and you know, that's that's kind of our first chance

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01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 13: to see, you know, how the development work that we've

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01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 13: done to improve from a year ago is going to

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01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 13: take effect. In reality, it's our first gauge to to

1252
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:32,560
Speaker 13: measure ourselves against other teams, you know, to get a

1253
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:36,799
Speaker 13: feel for kind of the balance of strength between Hondur Chevrolet,

1254
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 13: which kind of bounces around year to year, you know.

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Speaker 13: So that's really when my anxiety starts to kick in

1256
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:45,639
Speaker 13: of you know, have we have we done good work?

1257
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 13: Have our partners done a good enough work? You know,

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Speaker 13: and we certainly don't know who's going to win the

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Speaker 13: race on that day but you start to get a

1260
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Speaker 13: picture of of you know, where the competition lies.

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Speaker 1: Do you like the hire of Ronald Nora for Butler?

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Speaker 13: I do, you know, I think I think it's a

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01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 13: good hire. It's a it's a hard time to to

1264
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:11,719
Speaker 13: be a college coach really anywhere, with the landscape of things.

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01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 13: But I think keeping it in the family and and

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01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 13: bringing in ron who who's the younger guy from you know,

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Speaker 13: having connection to the most successful era of Butler basketball

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01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 13: that that we've ever had. You know, I think he's

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Speaker 13: going to be a great representative of the university and

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Speaker 13: and and bring some energy to to carry on the

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Speaker 13: progress that that that's been making over the past couple

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Speaker 13: of years.

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Speaker 1: You would be a good person to both ask and

1274
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 1: know this. What makes a good leader, you know.

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Speaker 13: I think to me is you know, it's someone that

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01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 13: people can connect to and and want to follow and

1277
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 13: go into battle with. And you know, there's you can

1278
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 13: accomplish that by a lot of different styles. But at

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01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 13: the end of the day, you know, people people have

1280
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 13: to want to want to be with you and want

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01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,799
Speaker 13: to work with you and work for you. So whatever

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01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 13: whatever qualities that takes, you know, for whatever your discipline

1283
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 13: is because I don't I don't think it's always the

1284
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 13: same depending on on your field. But just you know,

1285
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 13: don't have to be liked, but people have to believe

1286
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 13: in you.

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Speaker 1: Who's the best leader you've been around?

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01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 13: Oh man, that's a that's a tough question. I mean,

1289
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 13: I learned so much from my dad and and have

1290
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 13: incorporated a lot of his qualities and leadership styles into

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01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 13: kind of how I operate. But you know, there's been

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01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 13: a lot of them, you know, from different mentors that

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01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 13: I've had in my life. I try to not so

1294
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 13: much look at people that I don't know, but I

1295
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 13: try to be able to emulate people that I do

1296
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 13: know and can talk to and and actually directly learn from.

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01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:56,759
Speaker 13: So Tony Bob Hillis who's a family friend and mentor

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01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,080
Speaker 13: are kind of the two that I would make.

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Speaker 2: Ed Carpenter's my guest Java House, Coldbrew Coffee guest line

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01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 2: is where you're hearing his voice. You will see him

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Speaker 2: in the Indianapolis five hundred, his twenty third attempt to

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Speaker 2: qualify for the race coming up in May. Before we

1303
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 2: let you go, obviously, this weekend it's barber. I would

1304
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 2: imagine you guys are feeling pretty good because, certainly in

1305
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:22,600
Speaker 2: Arlington I thought at times Christian Rasmussen had one of

1306
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 2: the better cars on track. Alexander Rossi also fought his

1307
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 2: way back in. I think a top ten, maybe even

1308
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 2: a top eight or so for him. But you guys

1309
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:31,639
Speaker 2: have to feel pretty good about it. But what challenges

1310
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 2: are there for Barber?

1311
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 13: You know, I think Barber is a place that we've

1312
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 13: kind of been hot and cold as a team in

1313
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 13: the past. You know, I think I think over the

1314
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 13: course of last year we made a lot of progress

1315
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:48,799
Speaker 13: with our cars and road course package. So I'm excited

1316
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 13: to get back there. You know, I know the whole

1317
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 13: the whole team's optimistic. We're definitely proud of the start

1318
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 13: that we've had from a potential standpoint. Our face has

1319
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 13: been strong, the guys are are pretty happy with the cars,

1320
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 13: so I think we're going to be in a good spot.

1321
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 13: But we'll find out Friday morning.

1322
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 2: By the way, I'm kind of hesitant to ask on

1323
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 2: the way out here because I don't want to know

1324
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 2: if it's bad news.

1325
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 1: But how's Gary doing.

1326
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 13: Gary's hanging in, Gary's still running the pond. He's an

1327
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 13: amazing creature of a duck.

1328
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 2: Gary Gary's one is over near Ed's pond, right, and

1329
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 2: he just hangs out right.

1330
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 13: Yeah, he does not migrate. He has friends that come

1331
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 13: and go, but he's a fixture year round my parents.

1332
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 13: When we get those cold stretches where everything freezes over,

1333
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 13: we've got a little machine we put in the pond

1334
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 13: to make sure Gary has fresh water to habitat in.

1335
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 13: So he's a tough he's a tough duck.

1336
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:49,679
Speaker 1: Well, what do we know the lifespan of a duck?

1337
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 1: Do we know?

1338
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 13: I think he's exceeded it. Whatever it is.

1339
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 1: Well, listen, he's free loading at the right spot, right.

1340
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 13: Yeah, he gets he gets set every day, you know,

1341
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 13: in addition to whatever he can find in the wild.

1342
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,679
Speaker 13: But yeah, he just he kind of does his own thing.

1343
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 2: Eddie says, eight years is the life expectancy of a duck.

1344
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 2: What do we think Gary's hat.

1345
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 13: Let's see, I think he's six or seven. I want

1346
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:22,680
Speaker 13: to say maybe eight. So we're coming up on it.

1347
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 1: He's got his ARP car.

1348
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:25,839
Speaker 14: He seems healthy, so.

1349
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: All right, Well that's good. I like Gary. Gary's cool.

1350
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 1: So I was happy to hear that, all right, Ed.

1351
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 2: We're happy to see about the ride coming up here

1352
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 2: and the sponsorship, the partnership with AES Indiana for the

1353
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 2: Indianapolis five hundred, and also for the new coach at Butler.

1354
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 1: Appreciate you squeezing us in today.

1355
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 13: Sounds good, Doctor Vader, All right, Ed.

1356
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 1: Carpenter joining us on the program we come back.

1357
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 2: We talked about Purdue, the guy that is kind of

1358
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 2: one that puts it all together. Of course Matt Painter

1359
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 2: is the guy putting it all together. But you can't

1360
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 2: do it without a chief lieutenant, and he's got that

1361
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 2: in Elliott Bloom, who will join us next.

1362
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 1: This feels like.

1363
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 2: The montage at the end of literally every movie that

1364
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 2: probably JMV loved from eighty four to about ninety two,

1365
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 2: Like the end of the movie.

1366
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:18,480
Speaker 1: Applicable across the board.

1367
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 2: Right, and we'll see what eight teams after this round

1368
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 2: worked their way into the Elite eight, one step away

1369
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 2: from the Final four here in Indianapolis. Do we still

1370
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 2: have Eddie Final Four fan Fest packs to give away?

1371
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 3: Yes, we do.

1372
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 4: We have them for this week and next week to

1373
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 4: give away as well, which is very cool.

1374
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 2: The fan fest is just kind of a great celebration

1375
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 2: of the college basketball tournament and a great part of

1376
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 2: an accentuation to all of the festivities taking place for

1377
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 2: the Final four, and we will be giving those away

1378
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 2: over the course later today and then in to next

1379
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 2: week as well, and we will wait to see what

1380
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,639
Speaker 2: teams it is that we have in the final four

1381
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 2: and two wins away from that, but you have to

1382
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 2: take them one at a time. Are the Purdue Boilermakers

1383
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 2: joining us now on the Java House Coldbrew Coffee guest line.

1384
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 2: He is in i believe, his eighteenth year as the

1385
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 2: director of basketball operations at Purdue and a return guest

1386
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:25,719
Speaker 2: to the program. Elliott Bloom joining us from San Jose. Elliott,

1387
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:28,560
Speaker 2: I'm guessing seventy eight degrees in sunny in California?

1388
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 1: Is that right?

1389
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:30,599
Speaker 11: Pretty close?

1390
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 6: It's a little little cooler earlier in the day here,

1391
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:37,440
Speaker 6: but yeah, yesterday it was sunshine and low eighties, high seventies.

1392
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 6: So yep, pretty good living out here in California.

1393
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 2: How and be honest here, you know, just in terms

1394
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 2: of your team, the all of the logistics that go

1395
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,720
Speaker 2: into the travel with this and all of it, how

1396
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 2: are you feeling about everything right now?

1397
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:55,760
Speaker 10: I feel pretty good.

1398
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 6: I mean, most of the Hayes in the barn, now,

1399
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:00,040
Speaker 6: you know, Now that we're on site in the ho

1400
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 6: tell and everything. There's a lot of a lot of

1401
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 6: planning that goes into it ahead of time, and you know,

1402
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 6: most of the work is done while we're kind of

1403
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 6: in in game mode in Saint Louis. You know, I'm

1404
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 6: kind of working ahead on what it's going to look

1405
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 6: like for the next week if we're fortunate enough to

1406
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 6: get through two games there, and you kind of start

1407
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:22,959
Speaker 6: planning ahead and and and then once once the outcome

1408
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 6: comes to fruition, you get those wins and you know

1409
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 6: you kind of execute the plan you've you've put in place.

1410
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:31,640
Speaker 6: So it's it's I always tell people in my in

1411
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 6: my role, I'm always kind of working ahead. So like

1412
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:36,680
Speaker 6: people say, like, hey, what time's practice tomorrow, I'm like,

1413
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 6: I have no idea. I can tell you what time

1414
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 6: practice is in two weeks because that's what I'm working

1415
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:42,560
Speaker 6: on right now. But you're always kind of trying to

1416
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 6: stay one step ahead of things.

1417
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 2: How does it work in terms of and I want

1418
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 2: to get into the team here in a minute, But

1419
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:52,679
Speaker 2: I think people find and I know I do interesting

1420
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 2: just the backstory of how it all comes together. Right, So,

1421
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 2: for example, when you know that you're going to San Jose.

1422
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 2: Who has the ultimate say on when you lead? Does

1423
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 2: the NCAA determine what day you have to arrive? How

1424
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 2: what all goes into that?

1425
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:07,879
Speaker 3: Elliott?

1426
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're kind of at the mercy of the travel,

1427
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 6: the travel system that the Incidabila makes you use. What

1428
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 6: ends up happening is, you know, you know exactly where

1429
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 6: you're going if you win those games, so you can

1430
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 6: kind of start ahead of time. They pred assigned hotels,

1431
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 6: so we knew that if we were fortunate to get

1432
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 6: through Saint Louis, that we knew what hotel we'd be

1433
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 6: going to here in San Jose. So you could actually

1434
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 6: get a little bit of work done ahead of time

1435
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 6: if you wanted to. But what ends up happening then

1436
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 6: is the first call I made when we walked off

1437
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:44,720
Speaker 6: the floor after the win against Miami on Sunday was

1438
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 6: to the travel hotline that the ENSABLA gets all the teams,

1439
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:50,560
Speaker 6: and basically I'm telling them, look, we would like to

1440
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 6: leave Tuesday, you know, in early afternoon, and you put

1441
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 6: your request in and you tell them how many people

1442
01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 6: are going to have on the flight, and then they

1443
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 6: get to work into a plane and getting that.

1444
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 10: All set up.

1445
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:06,719
Speaker 6: So we're we're in a really good advantage at Purdue

1446
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 6: because we've got a campus airport. A few places in

1447
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 6: the country that's got that, and so we've got a

1448
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 6: little bit more flexibility than maybe some schools that have

1449
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 6: to you know, maybe bus to Indye or bust to

1450
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 6: another airport across town. So we're in a pretty good

1451
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 6: situation there. But this year was great. It was very smooth.

1452
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 6: They came back with the plane as requested, and away

1453
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 6: we went and landed in San Jose yesterday afternoon, got

1454
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 6: over to the hotel and then you go, you know,

1455
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 6: you got to line up buses and things like that.

1456
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:35,799
Speaker 6: You got a lot of hotel meals and rooming lists

1457
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,599
Speaker 6: and all the like of that stuff. And so there's

1458
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:42,640
Speaker 6: a lot that goes into it. I certainly don't I

1459
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 6: don't envy those teams that have people going to the

1460
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 6: term for like the first time or the first time

1461
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:48,679
Speaker 6: in like ten years.

1462
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 2: Or things like that kind of ask is it almost advantage?

1463
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 2: Like is it a disadvantage to a program that is

1464
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 2: so caught up? And I think we think to ourselves, Man,

1465
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,120
Speaker 2: what if the moment's too big for the for the

1466
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 2: players and you know, the just the spotlight itself, but

1467
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 2: all of the logistics of it. Can that be the

1468
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:09,720
Speaker 2: kind of thing that can distract a program away.

1469
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 11: One thousand percent?

1470
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 6: And I mean I think that if you have a

1471
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 6: team that really can lock in on just one game

1472
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:17,679
Speaker 6: at a time, and it's and a lot of that's

1473
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 6: cliched talk, right, I mean it's coaches talk, oh or

1474
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 6: taking it one game in time. But there's a reason

1475
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 6: that coaches say that year after year because that's that's

1476
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 6: the best mentality to have. So you're not overlooking anything

1477
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:30,600
Speaker 6: and you're not getting caught up in the moment. I

1478
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 6: saw an interview the other day with coach A. Shesky

1479
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 6: on I don't know what was on Instagram or something,

1480
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 6: and some guys were asking him, you know, what he

1481
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 6: used to do with his team, and I thought he

1482
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 6: made a really good line, and we actually shared it

1483
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 6: with our team too. It's that when you're a part

1484
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:49,799
Speaker 6: of March madness as a player, all of a sudden,

1485
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 6: everybody in your life you're the conduit to March madness.

1486
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 6: So friends, family, you know, former teammates that you played

1487
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 6: high school ball with, things like that, Like you're the

1488
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 6: superst are now the rock star because you're playing in

1489
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 6: March madness, and so they all have questions for you.

1490
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 6: They want to text you and you wish you luck

1491
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:09,720
Speaker 6: and hey, how's it going, what are you thinking, and

1492
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 6: all that stuff, and it's easy to get caught up.

1493
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 6: All of a sudden, you're talking to twenty people about

1494
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 6: what it's like to be in March madness, and now

1495
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 6: you're paying less and less attention to this guy and

1496
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 6: report and to get enough sleep and putting your phone

1497
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,760
Speaker 6: down and taking care your and all that kind of

1498
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 6: stuff that goes being a high major athlete. And so

1499
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 6: I thought that was really a really good point because

1500
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 6: some teams, if they get there. I thought last year,

1501
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 6: if people remember, we played McNee state in the second

1502
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 6: round in Providence, and when they won the game after us,

1503
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 6: they knocked off Clemson and they celebrated like they had

1504
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 6: just won the national title. And I remember thinking myself, like, man,

1505
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 6: that's good for us, because it feels almost like they're

1506
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 6: so caught up in a great win and it was

1507
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 6: a great win that maybe they're not going to be

1508
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 6: as focused for us now. Whether or not that contributed

1509
01:20:56,960 --> 01:21:00,200
Speaker 6: to the next day, who knows, But the teams it,

1510
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:02,720
Speaker 6: you know, can stay locked in. I think just give

1511
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:04,440
Speaker 6: themselves a little bit of an advantage.

1512
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 2: What is it about? Elliott Bloom is my guest. He

1513
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:10,640
Speaker 2: is the director of basketball operations for the Due Boilermakers,

1514
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:11,919
Speaker 2: Texas up next.

1515
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:12,679
Speaker 1: In the Sweet sixteen.

1516
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:17,680
Speaker 2: Elliott, you're around this team obviously every single day, and

1517
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 2: from the outside. I'll give you the outside thing that

1518
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 2: I've said on the air as my observation, and that

1519
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 2: is that it seemed as though, and I understand it,

1520
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:28,759
Speaker 2: teams go through ebb and flows, and it's a long season.

1521
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:30,680
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes guys just get tired of each other.

1522
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 2: They've been around each other, bicker and whatever, and then you, guys,

1523
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 2: it all came together in Chicago and now seemingly through

1524
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:43,599
Speaker 2: two games here in the tournament, did you feel that

1525
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 2: there was a rebond, a recoagulation, if you will, of

1526
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 2: your group here in the last three to four weeks.

1527
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the best way to describe it to

1528
01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:59,639
Speaker 6: those who are kind of on the outside or haven't

1529
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 6: been like a part of a team or something, I think,

1530
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:04,600
Speaker 6: and I think your observation is very as dude, I

1531
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 6: think that we probably hit a point in the middle

1532
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 6: of the season when we played really good teams, and

1533
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:13,679
Speaker 6: I think it's I think it's bearing out how good

1534
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 6: the Big Ten is, you know, to have as many

1535
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,840
Speaker 6: teams as we have in the Sweet sixteen, and for

1536
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 6: some of these teams to have beaten some of the

1537
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 6: teams they've beaten to get there, it's proven out that

1538
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 6: the league is that has been at a high level

1539
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 6: all year. And you know, we we come back from

1540
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 6: a heartbreaker from the West Coast and then we lose

1541
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 6: another heartbreaker at home to Illinois and just kind of

1542
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 6: started probably losing confidence a little bit. But I think

1543
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 6: more than anything, just kind of there was probably a

1544
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 6: feeling like, well, we're probably now it's an uphill battle

1545
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 6: to win the league. And that's always a goal of ours,

1546
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 6: you know, year in year out, because if you can

1547
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 6: do that, you just it sets you up for postseason

1548
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 6: and everything else. And so I think when that kind

1549
01:22:56,840 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 6: of goal was realized that that was going to be

1550
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 6: really hard to achieve, I think it kind of put

1551
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 6: us into a little bit of a funk. And you know,

1552
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 6: like you said, it's a long, long season. You know,

1553
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 6: teams that looked a certain way in December. If you

1554
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:12,679
Speaker 6: go back and watch them in February, you could think

1555
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 6: you're looking at two different teams, completely different teams. But

1556
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 6: I think that there was a sense that with our

1557
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 6: guys that you know, at the end of the day, Okay,

1558
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,440
Speaker 6: maybe we can't win the Big Ten regular season championship,

1559
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 6: but there are still a lot of our goals out

1560
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 6: in front of us. And it was great to get

1561
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 6: to Chicago. And I think our goal in the Big

1562
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 6: Ten tournament has always just been just find your rhythm.

1563
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 6: If you win, great, If you don't, it's not the

1564
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:40,879
Speaker 6: end of the world. And I don't remember a postseason tournament,

1565
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 6: conference tournament having as much tournament implications and see tournament

1566
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 6: implications as the last as this year, it seemed like

1567
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 6: across the country there was a lot of outcomes other

1568
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 6: than bubble teams that had some impact on seating. And

1569
01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 6: you know, I think we did find our rhythm in Chicago,

1570
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 6: and I think allowed us to get up to a

1571
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 6: two line, and obviously along the way to be able

1572
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 6: to kind of hang another banner and win another championship

1573
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 6: for this group was great and certainly buoyed the confidence

1574
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 6: of our guys. And then you know, another little thing

1575
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 6: is like Brad Smith getting the assist record done and

1576
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 6: out of the You know, now that's another thing that's

1577
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:21,640
Speaker 6: not on anybody's plate to worry about. We can just

1578
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 6: kind of move on and play. So a couple of

1579
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 6: good things I think happened, you know, to us, and

1580
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 6: I think in the process allowed our guys to get

1581
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 6: their rhythm back and their heads up a little bit.

1582
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 2: Say a guy to me, Elliott that has been incredibly

1583
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 2: impressive over the last year. And I know Braden Smith's

1584
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:42,080
Speaker 2: a phenomenal player in his court, vision is second to none.

1585
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 2: Fletcher Lawyers as good as shooter as you're going to

1586
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 2: find when he's going. And CJ. Cox has been huge

1587
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 2: for you guys in stretches. I thought he was huge

1588
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 2: towards the end of the half against Miami. But I

1589
01:24:55,720 --> 01:25:02,760
Speaker 2: am so impressed from the outside at the unselfish leadership,

1590
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 2: by play and overall maturity of Trey Kaufman rent of

1591
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 2: being a guy that from the outside looks like is

1592
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 2: one that says, what do I need to do to win?

1593
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 2: Not not what do I need to do for my

1594
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:19,400
Speaker 2: team to win, not for me, not for the for

1595
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 2: my team to win. What is it about him? Assuming

1596
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:26,720
Speaker 2: that that's an accurate statement. When did you see that

1597
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 2: about him? And and what was it about him that

1598
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 2: led you to say, aside from his basketball prowess, that's

1599
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 2: the character we want it to purdue.

1600
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 6: You know, he's probably I've said this before to others,

1601
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 6: he's probably as unique of a young man we've ever

1602
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:47,200
Speaker 6: had in our program. I mean, he's a philosophy major.

1603
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:50,600
Speaker 6: You know, it's very common to go down to the

1604
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 6: training room, you know, an hour before practice when guys

1605
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:55,679
Speaker 6: are kind of coming in getting treatment, getting their ankles taped,

1606
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 6: and he would be just kind of sitting there and

1607
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 6: maybe eating and getting his ankles taped, and like asking

1608
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:07,599
Speaker 6: people with their opinion on you know, a historical event

1609
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:12,640
Speaker 6: or you know, a philosophy type question. He's just a

1610
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 6: different guy in the greatest possible way, very mature, looks

1611
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:19,800
Speaker 6: at things, probably through a different lens. There's a lot

1612
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 6: of times you could be mid conversation with him and

1613
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:26,759
Speaker 6: you have to remind yourself that you're talking to a

1614
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 6: young college kid instead of a you know, forty year

1615
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 6: old man. He's just got a really good worldly view,

1616
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 6: very grounded. You know, in the summer, sometimes our guys

1617
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 6: get a week here or there where they can, you know,

1618
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,799
Speaker 6: go home and see family and kind of charge.

1619
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 11: Their batteries up.

1620
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 6: We always get the guys like a week around the

1621
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:47,840
Speaker 6: fourth of July, and then they get some time in

1622
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:50,799
Speaker 6: August before you get back to school. And I remember

1623
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 6: asking him, I said, TK, what do you you know?

1624
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:54,680
Speaker 6: What are you doing this weekend? He goes, Oh, just

1625
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 6: going camping with the grandparents. And I'm like, okay, I

1626
01:26:58,320 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 6: go there's an answer I've never heard before.

1627
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:03,679
Speaker 1: Year old old right, yeah, yeah.

1628
01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 6: And I think he went, you know, in one of

1629
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 6: those state parks. And so then Indiana, they just kind

1630
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 6: of went hung out and did some camping, did some cushing,

1631
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:14,720
Speaker 6: and and that's him. He's just a very he he's

1632
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 6: super complex and how he looks at things, but yet

1633
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 6: he's just a simple guy. And and uh, the selflessness

1634
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 6: you talked about is very evident. I mean, and I

1635
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:25,640
Speaker 6: think that kind of goes across the board. In our

1636
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 6: locker room, we we don't take ourselves too serious. And

1637
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:30,680
Speaker 6: if anybody starts getting a big head in our locker room,

1638
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:33,600
Speaker 6: they're gonna be they're gonna be reminded pretty quick that

1639
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 6: it's it's really about all of us and not you know,

1640
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:39,840
Speaker 6: one individual that being said, like they're they're very much

1641
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 6: champions of each other, and so like all the guys

1642
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 6: were very happy for Braden, They've been happy for Fletch

1643
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 6: and the stuff he's accomplished. They've been very happy for

1644
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 6: TK and all the stuff that he gets, you know,

1645
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 6: accomplished and stuff. So there's certainly there's a cheerleading that

1646
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 6: goes on for each other. But at the same time,

1647
01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:58,560
Speaker 6: like you know, check your ego at the door a

1648
01:27:58,600 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 6: little bit when you come in the locker room.

1649
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:02,599
Speaker 1: Are you allowed And I don't know by NCAA rules.

1650
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 2: Elliott bloom as the director of basketball opposite Purdue, so

1651
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 2: I don't want to Maybe I should have asked ahead

1652
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 2: of time. Are you allowed to comment on a recruit

1653
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:13,680
Speaker 2: that is committed but not yet arrived on campus.

1654
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 10: If he has signed with us, we can.

1655
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:19,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so my apologies. Has Luke Irdle officially signed

1656
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 1: with you guys?

1657
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, he's signed, So, yeah, he's on board.

1658
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 2: So he is a guy that we just had him

1659
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 2: on last week. I don't typically have high school players

1660
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:29,599
Speaker 2: on the show, not in a bad way, but because

1661
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 2: oftentimes they're not overly loquacious and they're not very insightful,

1662
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:36,640
Speaker 2: and yet I had him on and it was the

1663
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:39,200
Speaker 2: same thing. I thought to myself, Wait a minute, I'm

1664
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 2: talking to a high school kid.

1665
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:41,559
Speaker 1: This guy sounds like he's.

1666
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 2: Thirty years old and getting ready to go into a

1667
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:47,760
Speaker 2: courtroom for a case or something as a lawyer. I mean,

1668
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 2: very intelligent. He's from your high school, obviously in Mount Vernon.

1669
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 2: What about him, also, do you feel is going to

1670
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 2: make him a fit for Purdue?

1671
01:28:57,920 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 6: Well, I think a lot of what you just said.

1672
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 6: I mean, he he's wired. It's interesting because when I

1673
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:05,720
Speaker 6: was when he committed to us, and then I was

1674
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:07,800
Speaker 6: talking to some people back at my high school and

1675
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 6: some teachers and admins that were still still around that

1676
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:15,479
Speaker 6: were there when I was there, and some of them

1677
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 6: were Indiana fans and are Indiana fans, and they said, well,

1678
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:20,680
Speaker 6: we hate to say this because it pains us, but

1679
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 6: he is as Purdue as you can get. Like him

1680
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:25,800
Speaker 6: and his family are just saw the Earth people, and

1681
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:30,599
Speaker 6: there couldn't be a better fit. So I think we've

1682
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 6: gotten to a point now and been doing this for

1683
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 6: so long that you kind of know what that means

1684
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:38,559
Speaker 6: when people say it, and you know you probably maybe

1685
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:40,559
Speaker 6: ten twelve years ago, had to explain that to people.

1686
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:41,559
Speaker 10: Well, he's a fit of prove.

1687
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 11: What does that mean?

1688
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 6: You know, it just means he's got a great work ethic,

1689
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:46,760
Speaker 6: and he's willing to come be a part of something

1690
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 6: bigger than himself. And he's got some toughness to him,

1691
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 6: and he's got some maturity to him, and I think

1692
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:57,840
Speaker 6: that really describes him. I'm super excited to get him,

1693
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:00,240
Speaker 6: you know, in the mix this summer and get him

1694
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 6: going with us. And I know he is too, and

1695
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 6: hopefully he's another guy that you know, maybe in two, three,

1696
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:08,599
Speaker 6: four years I'm jumping on this call with you again

1697
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 6: and talking about him doing some of the same things

1698
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 6: that these guys have done in our locker room.

1699
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 2: Right now, he did not break the single game out

1700
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 2: and Vernon three point record, correct.

1701
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:19,760
Speaker 6: No, I think I think somebody No, he did not,

1702
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 6: but we've talked about that before.

1703
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:26,160
Speaker 2: Okay, lastly, thoughts on seeing Camden, Heidi and overall thoughts

1704
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 2: on the Texas Longhorns.

1705
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:31,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're super talented, really good team that I think

1706
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:33,679
Speaker 6: has kind of come together at the right time.

1707
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:34,719
Speaker 11: You know, I think they.

1708
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 6: You know, another great league obviously that they're playing in

1709
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 6: and Obviously, with coach Miller taking over for the first time,

1710
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:43,400
Speaker 6: it takes a little bit of time, you know, for

1711
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:45,760
Speaker 6: him to kind of get his program going and his

1712
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 6: system implemented and those kinds of things. And certainly they're

1713
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:51,960
Speaker 6: they're doing it at the right time of year. I

1714
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 6: think our guys, you know, when we see cam it'll

1715
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 6: be great to say hi and everything, and then you know,

1716
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 6: the game will be the game. And you know, the

1717
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:00,599
Speaker 6: guys who have left us over the years and going

1718
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 6: out to other programs, you know, we've we we catch

1719
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:06,559
Speaker 6: their games as much as we can. I mean, there's

1720
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 6: a lot of times that you know, the we'll be

1721
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:11,680
Speaker 6: coming to practice on a day and people be like, hey,

1722
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 6: did you watch Will last night? Did you watch Miles

1723
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 6: last night? And most of the time the answers like, yeah, yeah,

1724
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:17,799
Speaker 6: we shot them at text and said good.

1725
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 11: Game and things like that.

1726
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:21,840
Speaker 6: You know, we saw Miles Colvin this year down in

1727
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 6: the Bahamar Tournament. We were playing in the Bahamas, and

1728
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:26,680
Speaker 6: he hit a game winner in the game before us,

1729
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:28,200
Speaker 6: and it was kind of a cool moment because all

1730
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 6: the Purdue fans in the building were cheering him on

1731
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:32,360
Speaker 6: and as he came off the floor, our guys were

1732
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:34,680
Speaker 6: high five of them and stuff like that, and we

1733
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 6: got to watch yesterday we watched Wilburg at Wichita State

1734
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:42,559
Speaker 6: playing the n T and and constantly texting with those

1735
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 6: guys and just telling them good game, you know, on

1736
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:47,680
Speaker 6: things like that. So it's it's a new day and

1737
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 6: age in college you know, sports now obviously, And I

1738
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:54,320
Speaker 6: think there's probably some old school people that can't fathom

1739
01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:58,120
Speaker 6: that world. But you know, you can sit around and

1740
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:00,760
Speaker 6: complain and moan about it all you want, or you

1741
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 6: can just embrace it and just you know, that's where

1742
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 6: we're at. And so I think we've kind of chosen

1743
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:07,280
Speaker 6: to do the latter and happy for those guys, and

1744
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:09,760
Speaker 6: it'll be good to see Cam and his family this week.

1745
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:12,240
Speaker 2: Well, we certainly look forward to watching you guys play,

1746
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:14,880
Speaker 2: should you be fortunate enough to use your words to

1747
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:17,400
Speaker 2: get out of this round. Fortunately, the travel will be

1748
01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:20,559
Speaker 2: a little less arduous in terms of the next round

1749
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:22,479
Speaker 2: because it would be Indianapolis for the final four. But

1750
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:25,120
Speaker 2: work to do between now and then, And it starts

1751
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:28,920
Speaker 2: with the Texas Longhorns first and foremost. Elliott Bloom always

1752
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:31,639
Speaker 2: appreciate the time man great insight, and we certainly wish

1753
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:33,080
Speaker 2: you guys the best of luck out west.

1754
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:35,120
Speaker 11: Sounds great. Appreciate having me on.

1755
01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:35,720
Speaker 1: Appreciate it.

1756
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 2: Elliot Bloom joining us on the Java House Colbrew Coffee

1757
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:40,719
Speaker 2: guest line. All right way over there is a national

1758
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 2: championship that was one in Indiana, and we will talk

1759
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:46,479
Speaker 2: to their head coach coming up bottom of the hour.

1760
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 2: And before that, somebody that was right there on the

1761
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:53,120
Speaker 2: cusp of a championship with the guy that has now

1762
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:56,439
Speaker 2: been hired to lead the program with which both of

1763
01:32:56,479 --> 01:32:59,320
Speaker 2: them nearly won one. Matt Howard will join us just

1764
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:02,680
Speaker 2: a bit as well. Thanks againing to Elliott Bloom for

1765
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:07,280
Speaker 2: his time. Already a very busy show today talking a

1766
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:12,840
Speaker 2: little Red's season opener four tomorrow, a little basketball as well,

1767
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:15,880
Speaker 2: obviously Butler with a new basketball coach, and Ronald Nored

1768
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:18,519
Speaker 2: and one of his teammates of Butler going to join

1769
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:21,479
Speaker 2: us to talk about exactly that coming up in just

1770
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 2: a couple of minutes. Marion, congratulations to the Knights women's

1771
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:29,960
Speaker 2: basketball program winning the national championship and their head coach

1772
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:32,320
Speaker 2: is going to join us coming up bottom of the are.

1773
01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:35,439
Speaker 2: That's a great story because you know a group that

1774
01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:38,720
Speaker 2: had some tragedy over the course of the season, put

1775
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:43,360
Speaker 2: it all together and now bringing another national championship to

1776
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:47,120
Speaker 2: the West side of Indianapolis, and then Ed Carpenter joining

1777
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 2: us a little bit ago as well. He has partnered

1778
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:54,080
Speaker 2: with ae S Indiana with sponsorship on his slim Fast car.

1779
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:57,360
Speaker 2: You can't say I'm fast without or you can't. Yeah,

1780
01:33:57,400 --> 01:34:00,120
Speaker 2: you can't say slim fast without I'm fast. Right that

1781
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:00,960
Speaker 2: how that goes, Eddie?

1782
01:34:01,479 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 3: That's exactly right, Yes, that's exactly right, Eddie.

1783
01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:08,200
Speaker 2: You are tomorrow going to opening day Reds in the

1784
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:10,520
Speaker 2: Boston Red Sox at Great American Ballpark.

1785
01:34:10,240 --> 01:34:11,439
Speaker 3: Right, Uh huh, Yes, I am.

1786
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:13,760
Speaker 2: And I'd like to know what your do you have

1787
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:15,960
Speaker 2: like a particular routine you're doing on this do you

1788
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:17,479
Speaker 2: stop like island?

1789
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:21,000
Speaker 4: This is the first time experiencing experiencing Reds open in

1790
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:21,559
Speaker 4: day for me.

1791
01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:23,439
Speaker 1: So you're traveling with how many people?

1792
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:23,960
Speaker 3: Uh?

1793
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 12: Ooon?

1794
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 3: Excuse me?

1795
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 10: One other person?

1796
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:29,439
Speaker 3: Yes?

1797
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:33,599
Speaker 2: So yourself and one other person? Yes, okay, And you're

1798
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:35,559
Speaker 2: you gonna do like lunch down there? You gotta just

1799
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:38,559
Speaker 2: because they do a whole parade and everything. Right, Yeah,

1800
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:40,360
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out what time I need to leave.

1801
01:34:40,439 --> 01:34:42,840
Speaker 4: I should ask John Sad that earlier when we had

1802
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:44,920
Speaker 4: them on the phone. I don't think you can get

1803
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:46,880
Speaker 4: there too early, right, Yeah, I know I'm trying to

1804
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:48,240
Speaker 4: figure out do I leave at eight? Do I leave

1805
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:51,360
Speaker 4: at nine? I know the paray doesn't start. It's a

1806
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:55,040
Speaker 4: little bit after noon. I know, like there's the Banks

1807
01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:58,040
Speaker 4: love of stuff going on starting at eleven.

1808
01:34:58,840 --> 01:34:59,439
Speaker 3: So we'll see.

1809
01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:02,920
Speaker 2: And do you do you deck yourself out in Red's gear?

1810
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:04,920
Speaker 2: Do you have the favorite Red's hat, T shirt?

1811
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:05,600
Speaker 1: What do you go with?

1812
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:09,639
Speaker 4: I will be in Red attire or some shape or form.

1813
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:09,960
Speaker 3: Yes.

1814
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:15,439
Speaker 2: So I have been anxiously awaiting and I don't know

1815
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 2: how or why it came to be that that it

1816
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:20,799
Speaker 2: just was sparked in me last year in the postseason

1817
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:24,040
Speaker 2: where I really got behind the Blue Jays and I

1818
01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:25,719
Speaker 2: as a kid, I mean, I.

1819
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 3: Have you completely just hey, root for me, listen.

1820
01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:31,960
Speaker 2: I've always kind of here's the funny thing about the Orioles,

1821
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:36,840
Speaker 2: the cute fella. I love the logo of the cute fella,

1822
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:39,080
Speaker 2: and I want to see cute fella do well because

1823
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:42,160
Speaker 2: for that exact reason, because the cute Fella's on the hat,

1824
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:44,320
Speaker 2: and that's all he's saying he's just saying he's wearing

1825
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:47,080
Speaker 2: that hat on the on the hat, and he's saying.

1826
01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 11: You know, hey, root for me.

1827
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:51,960
Speaker 2: And when you see it and you hear that in

1828
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:54,080
Speaker 2: your head, you can't help but root for him. Right,

1829
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:58,240
Speaker 2: But I have in blue jays are a more aggressive bird.

1830
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:02,160
Speaker 2: You don't want blue jays hanging around the bird bath,

1831
01:36:02,280 --> 01:36:06,519
Speaker 2: the bird feed, or any of it. They're a nuisance

1832
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:10,519
Speaker 2: and they're very aggressive. They're mean birds. You don't want

1833
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:13,639
Speaker 2: blue jays hanging around, Okay. Orioles, on the other hand,

1834
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:14,960
Speaker 2: I think just good neighbors.

1835
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:17,720
Speaker 4: I hear people say that about cardinal fans too. Well,

1836
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:18,840
Speaker 4: that's cardinals fans.

1837
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:22,479
Speaker 2: Now, if you really study, you know, if you really

1838
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:24,680
Speaker 2: get into is it orentthology?

1839
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:26,679
Speaker 1: Is that the study of birds? Is that right?

1840
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 3: Are you sure she's not birdology?

1841
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:32,200
Speaker 1: Maybe? If you're a member of the Audobon Society.

1842
01:36:32,479 --> 01:36:34,799
Speaker 2: Shannon lives on Autumn Road, I shouldn't say that, probably,

1843
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:37,040
Speaker 2: but she does so a lot of bird watching that

1844
01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:39,280
Speaker 2: goes on, right, And if you study the birds, what

1845
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 2: you notice is orioles are very docile, friendly, accommodating, nice birds,

1846
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:49,800
Speaker 2: and typically the oriel bird house is a really nice

1847
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:52,040
Speaker 2: kind of old looking, old school like Camden Yards.

1848
01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:54,599
Speaker 3: Right, a little about you or are you talking about orioles?

1849
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:56,160
Speaker 1: Well?

1850
01:36:56,200 --> 01:36:59,439
Speaker 2: Both right, of course goes without saying blue jays. Blue

1851
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:02,479
Speaker 2: jays as birds are, they're like the neighborhood thugs. You

1852
01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:04,479
Speaker 2: don't want them hanging around. They're coming in, They're they're

1853
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:09,280
Speaker 2: looting some stuff, They're wreaking havoc, breaking some windows. Cardinals,

1854
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:13,640
Speaker 2: if you study birds and you do bird watching, cardinals

1855
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:16,240
Speaker 2: are birds oddly enough that simply tell you about how

1856
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:20,280
Speaker 2: they understand bird feeders better than any other bird, and

1857
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:23,160
Speaker 2: that they have the best history of bird houses better.

1858
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:23,880
Speaker 1: Than any other bird.

1859
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:26,240
Speaker 2: And when they get into the bird bath, they tell

1860
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:28,800
Speaker 2: everybody else in the bird bath that they understand the

1861
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:31,439
Speaker 2: movement inside the bird bath better than any other bird.

1862
01:37:31,720 --> 01:37:35,080
Speaker 2: That's what cardinals are known for doing. But my question

1863
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:38,599
Speaker 2: for you is Eddie tomorrow, because it's opening day, do

1864
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:42,679
Speaker 2: I wear a Red shirt or Blue Jay shirt? Because

1865
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:45,160
Speaker 2: I grew up a Reds fan, admittedly, but after Eric

1866
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:48,080
Speaker 2: Davis and that group went wire to wire in my

1867
01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:50,000
Speaker 2: senior year of high school, it's kind of an all downhill.

1868
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:54,639
Speaker 4: Since let's see Red's play tomorrow, I'm trying to see

1869
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:57,720
Speaker 4: if the Blue Jay's playing tomorrow. I think, do not

1870
01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:02,360
Speaker 4: play tomorrow, j Reds Thursday, and then you Blue Jays

1871
01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:03,000
Speaker 4: on Friday.

1872
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:06,800
Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair, That's what I'll do. Then I've got

1873
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:09,880
Speaker 2: mister Redlegs on my shirt. It's a great shirt. Did

1874
01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 2: you say you got to hold of Matt Howard?

1875
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:12,640
Speaker 3: Yes, I am.

1876
01:38:12,760 --> 01:38:14,840
Speaker 2: He's a fellow with two first names, and usually I

1877
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:16,960
Speaker 2: say you can't trust people like that. Should I ask

1878
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:18,360
Speaker 2: him if that means he can be trusted.

1879
01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:21,360
Speaker 3: I'll leave that to you. You're the host that your show, Jake.

1880
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 1: We'll ask him.

1881
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:24,960
Speaker 2: But more importantly, we're going to ask him about the

1882
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:27,519
Speaker 2: new Butler basketball head coach, a guy that he knows

1883
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 2: a little about.

1884
01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:29,120
Speaker 1: And Ronald Norid.

1885
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:34,960
Speaker 2: Matt Howard joins us two o'clock hour underway in Indianapolis.

1886
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:37,479
Speaker 2: For that matter, the two o'clock hour is underway everywhere

1887
01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:38,679
Speaker 2: in the Eastern time zone.

1888
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:40,880
Speaker 1: My name is Jay Query.

1889
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:43,800
Speaker 2: Eddie Garrison is the man that selects some of those

1890
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:47,880
Speaker 2: terrible songs from yesteryear, but they are applicable at times, like,

1891
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:51,559
Speaker 2: for example, the Dogs of Butler in the news. Ronald

1892
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:54,839
Speaker 2: Norrid is the new basketball coach. Officially will be announced

1893
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:57,920
Speaker 2: on Friday. But a guy that played with him and

1894
01:38:58,040 --> 01:39:00,880
Speaker 2: can probably share as much perspective about what kind of

1895
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:03,599
Speaker 2: a basketball mind will now head the Dogs joins us

1896
01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:07,760
Speaker 2: on the Java House Colbrew Coffee guest line. He had

1897
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:10,639
Speaker 2: many an accolade as a Butler Bulldog during his time

1898
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:13,600
Speaker 2: from two thousand and seven to twenty eleven, many of

1899
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:15,720
Speaker 2: which he would go back to his hometown of Connorsville.

1900
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:18,160
Speaker 2: And I'm sure tell everybody at mouthsees that. In fact, yes,

1901
01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 2: he was an All American level player at Butler. And

1902
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:23,680
Speaker 2: Matt Howard joins us on the program, Matt, how are

1903
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:25,000
Speaker 2: you hey?

1904
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:26,120
Speaker 11: I'm good. How are you doing?

1905
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:26,479
Speaker 14: Hey?

1906
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:30,120
Speaker 11: Eddie trying to mess with you? Find that again?

1907
01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:33,439
Speaker 2: Eddie likes to play songs like who Let the Dogs Out?

1908
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:35,680
Speaker 2: Which I only permit when we're talking to bulldogs.

1909
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:38,280
Speaker 11: Right, No, I love it.

1910
01:39:38,680 --> 01:39:41,719
Speaker 2: I did tell Eddie though, and I'm curious if anybody's

1911
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:43,280
Speaker 2: ever said this to you. I had a phobia for

1912
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:44,960
Speaker 2: a long time in my life where I didn't think

1913
01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:47,200
Speaker 2: that anybody with two first names was trustworthy.

1914
01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:49,439
Speaker 1: But I feel like Matt Howard's trustworthy, right.

1915
01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 14: You know, I don't think of Howard as being a

1916
01:39:53,439 --> 01:39:55,200
Speaker 14: first name, but I guess that it is.

1917
01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:59,120
Speaker 11: And yeah, that's a good point that.

1918
01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:04,240
Speaker 14: Though is is definitely like a nineteen fifties name, only I.

1919
01:40:04,200 --> 01:40:07,839
Speaker 2: Think it is Howard. You mean Howard itself?

1920
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:10,600
Speaker 14: Yeah, Howard itself is the first name. And you know

1921
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:13,679
Speaker 14: what's remarkable, I may just be in the wrong area

1922
01:40:13,720 --> 01:40:16,559
Speaker 14: of the world. I coach quite a bit, if I know,

1923
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:20,160
Speaker 14: this interview is not about me, But I coach a

1924
01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:22,439
Speaker 14: lot of you teams, and I have not had one

1925
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:26,320
Speaker 14: Matthew on any of those teams. And I have not

1926
01:40:26,479 --> 01:40:29,200
Speaker 14: heard the name Matthew or matt on any of in

1927
01:40:29,240 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 14: any of the games.

1928
01:40:30,120 --> 01:40:31,200
Speaker 3: What about? What about Howard?

1929
01:40:31,240 --> 01:40:34,360
Speaker 1: How many Howards? How many Howards are you running across?

1930
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:38,000
Speaker 14: So I've run across zero Matthews. I've actually run across

1931
01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:40,519
Speaker 14: across less Howard's in that same time.

1932
01:40:41,800 --> 01:40:45,280
Speaker 2: Fair enough, fair enough, all right, let's get to this

1933
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:47,760
Speaker 2: when and I'm here's.

1934
01:40:47,479 --> 01:40:48,439
Speaker 1: The best way to say this.

1935
01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:53,559
Speaker 2: Let's go back to when you're playing at Butler, Okay,

1936
01:40:54,040 --> 01:40:56,720
Speaker 2: and you're playing in a game in Hinkelefield House, and

1937
01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:58,519
Speaker 2: you look around and you can kind of figure out

1938
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:00,200
Speaker 2: that you guys got something going here, and you've got

1939
01:41:00,240 --> 01:41:03,840
Speaker 2: a brilliant head coach and there's already a legacy there

1940
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:07,879
Speaker 2: of some march success. But all of a sudden, somebody

1941
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:09,760
Speaker 2: walks up to you and they say to you, Matt,

1942
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:12,240
Speaker 2: I'm from the future. And once that you get over

1943
01:41:12,280 --> 01:41:15,599
Speaker 2: that shock, and they say, one of the guys that's

1944
01:41:15,640 --> 01:41:18,120
Speaker 2: on the floor with you right now is ultimately going

1945
01:41:18,160 --> 01:41:20,000
Speaker 2: to end up being the head coach of the Butler

1946
01:41:20,040 --> 01:41:22,320
Speaker 2: Bulldogs after you guys are done playing.

1947
01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:23,920
Speaker 1: Would you guess Ronald Norid?

1948
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:26,080
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1949
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:30,360
Speaker 14: Probably, I mean, he just you know, he was sort

1950
01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:34,599
Speaker 14: of our leader. He was our floor general, the guy

1951
01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:37,200
Speaker 14: that he sort of leaned on and looked to and

1952
01:41:38,479 --> 01:41:41,559
Speaker 14: wouldn't look at in the huddles, and you know, bring

1953
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:44,040
Speaker 14: guys together when we're on the floor. And you know,

1954
01:41:44,360 --> 01:41:47,240
Speaker 14: for the most part, I think you see that anyways

1955
01:41:47,800 --> 01:41:50,240
Speaker 14: in the college game, especially with the point guards, but

1956
01:41:50,240 --> 01:41:53,320
Speaker 14: it's not always that way. But yeah, he definitely was,

1957
01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:56,840
Speaker 14: And yeah, I would have been. I think I probably

1958
01:41:56,880 --> 01:41:59,679
Speaker 14: would have been so flustered by someone from the future

1959
01:41:59,720 --> 01:42:00,840
Speaker 14: when things.

1960
01:42:01,120 --> 01:42:04,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and especially if the guy's name was Howard, because

1961
01:42:04,240 --> 01:42:06,280
Speaker 2: then you know, there's no way you know you're from

1962
01:42:06,280 --> 01:42:07,200
Speaker 2: the past, right.

1963
01:42:07,439 --> 01:42:07,920
Speaker 11: It's right?

1964
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:12,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, but what goes into let's go back to

1965
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:15,360
Speaker 2: this when you heard or you were aware, and I'm

1966
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:19,160
Speaker 2: assuming you were probably well aware of this possibility before

1967
01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:22,040
Speaker 2: the masses, But you know, how much of you have

1968
01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:25,360
Speaker 2: you stayed in touch with Ronald and just what aspects

1969
01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:30,320
Speaker 2: of him, what ingredients about him lead you to believe

1970
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:31,920
Speaker 2: that he can succeed at this.

1971
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:37,880
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean it's it's a it's a grind. I mean,

1972
01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:40,360
Speaker 14: as you know, it's not a tough or not an

1973
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:43,320
Speaker 14: easy thing. It's certainly a tough thing to be a

1974
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:46,960
Speaker 14: college coach, and especially today where it's it's you know,

1975
01:42:47,080 --> 01:42:49,720
Speaker 14: all year round, and more so than it used to be.

1976
01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:51,439
Speaker 14: I think they probably would have said it used to

1977
01:42:51,479 --> 01:42:54,479
Speaker 14: be too. But you know that there you if you

1978
01:42:54,520 --> 01:42:58,240
Speaker 14: were out of the tournament, you weren't recruiting your own

1979
01:42:58,280 --> 01:43:01,920
Speaker 14: players immediately, and they do that throughout the season. But

1980
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:05,720
Speaker 14: to your point in question, I think he's just got

1981
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:09,160
Speaker 14: he's got a great personality. He's he's someone that you

1982
01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:13,400
Speaker 14: are naturally drawn to and you want to be around.

1983
01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:17,880
Speaker 14: He would for us, was you know, a positive leader.

1984
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:21,400
Speaker 14: But also you know, like that whole team did, everybody

1985
01:43:21,479 --> 01:43:24,479
Speaker 14: held each other accountable, and it's the same, you know,

1986
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:27,160
Speaker 14: same thing with him and the guy. He's a winner.

1987
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:30,400
Speaker 14: He you know, that's that's all he cared about. That's

1988
01:43:30,439 --> 01:43:34,240
Speaker 14: all he talked about when we were together. And you know,

1989
01:43:34,280 --> 01:43:37,519
Speaker 14: so those those ingredients are there, and I think, yeah,

1990
01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:41,440
Speaker 14: there's going to be some questions, of course about college experience,

1991
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:43,800
Speaker 14: but you surround yourself with a good staff and I'm

1992
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:46,479
Speaker 14: sure he's working on that now, and that allows you

1993
01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:49,759
Speaker 14: to be successful and sort of learn what you don't

1994
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:53,080
Speaker 14: know about the college game and apply what you are

1995
01:43:53,120 --> 01:43:56,800
Speaker 14: really good at. And I'm ough it's I think he'll

1996
01:43:56,960 --> 01:43:57,920
Speaker 14: he'll do a great job.

1997
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:01,400
Speaker 2: You know, your guys story, Matt Howard is my guest,

1998
01:44:01,439 --> 01:44:06,200
Speaker 2: the former Butler Bulldog. Your guy's story was so good, Matt,

1999
01:44:06,280 --> 01:44:10,080
Speaker 2: because to an element and you know this, and you know,

2000
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:12,600
Speaker 2: there was such a wholesome nature about it, right of

2001
01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:14,679
Speaker 2: here's a group of guys that none of which were

2002
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:17,759
Speaker 2: necessarily and you had some really good recruits and obviously

2003
01:44:17,760 --> 01:44:21,080
Speaker 2: Gordon Hayward grew into an elite level player, and you

2004
01:44:21,120 --> 01:44:23,959
Speaker 2: were a great player, and you played a ton of au.

2005
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:24,360
Speaker 1: Ball and all that.

2006
01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:29,479
Speaker 2: But it wasn't the world of college basketball that we

2007
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:32,360
Speaker 2: see today, okay, And it was almost like this last

2008
01:44:32,439 --> 01:44:37,040
Speaker 2: era of innocence of college basketball. Can Butler bridge and

2009
01:44:37,240 --> 01:44:42,720
Speaker 2: marry that quote unquote Butler way into the era of

2010
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:46,200
Speaker 2: today of in Danny Hurley's words, you got to give

2011
01:44:46,280 --> 01:44:48,760
Speaker 2: him the money to compete. How does Butler kind of

2012
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:49,799
Speaker 2: marry the two together.

2013
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:54,240
Speaker 14: Yeah, that's a great question. I have asked a lot

2014
01:44:54,240 --> 01:44:56,800
Speaker 14: of people that actually know. I certainly don't. I'm not

2015
01:44:57,320 --> 01:45:01,320
Speaker 14: in the game. I've seen it from you know, a

2016
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:04,439
Speaker 14: somewhat close to you around help helping Butler set up

2017
01:45:04,439 --> 01:45:07,840
Speaker 14: there in Il And by helping, I mean just being

2018
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:10,599
Speaker 14: being maybe a face of it. I didn't know what

2019
01:45:10,680 --> 01:45:15,240
Speaker 14: was going on. But that's absolutely true. But the guys,

2020
01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:17,719
Speaker 14: the guys that I really trust that are in the game,

2021
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 14: they say that you can do that with with a

2022
01:45:21,080 --> 01:45:22,880
Speaker 14: little bit less. I mean, it takes it takes a

2023
01:45:22,920 --> 01:45:25,280
Speaker 14: little more work, It takes a little bit of luck.

2024
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:27,240
Speaker 14: Like you said, I mean, we are our teams are

2025
01:45:27,240 --> 01:45:31,880
Speaker 14: fortunate to get a couple NBA players at Butler. I

2026
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:35,960
Speaker 14: mean that makes a world of difference. So from every

2027
01:45:36,040 --> 01:45:38,719
Speaker 14: everything that I've been told from people that really trust,

2028
01:45:39,160 --> 01:45:41,000
Speaker 14: is it swimming uphill a little bit?

2029
01:45:41,160 --> 01:45:41,439
Speaker 11: Yes?

2030
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:45,160
Speaker 14: But you know, if you find the right people that

2031
01:45:45,240 --> 01:45:46,519
Speaker 14: you can build something like that.

2032
01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:47,639
Speaker 11: But it's to your.

2033
01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:52,559
Speaker 14: Point, it's incredibly difficult to build a program. The teams

2034
01:45:52,600 --> 01:45:55,439
Speaker 14: that I was on, the team's right before us that

2035
01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:57,680
Speaker 14: build us up to the point of being able to

2036
01:45:58,160 --> 01:46:02,439
Speaker 14: compete for national championship and just established that before I

2037
01:46:02,479 --> 01:46:05,479
Speaker 14: even got on campus. You know, you were able to

2038
01:46:05,479 --> 01:46:07,880
Speaker 14: do that because you're able to keep your best players.

2039
01:46:09,080 --> 01:46:12,439
Speaker 2: Worried about Yeah you're not worried about transfer, portal and

2040
01:46:12,479 --> 01:46:13,360
Speaker 2: all that, right.

2041
01:46:13,240 --> 01:46:17,880
Speaker 14: Yeah, someone offering them more money, and yeah, it's it's

2042
01:46:17,880 --> 01:46:19,920
Speaker 14: a I think it's a legitimate concern.

2043
01:46:20,360 --> 01:46:23,120
Speaker 2: When you were playing, and I think about it, I

2044
01:46:23,120 --> 01:46:25,040
Speaker 2: think it was old dominion, wasn't it, Where you had

2045
01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:27,400
Speaker 2: a put back that kept you guys alive early in

2046
01:46:27,439 --> 01:46:29,960
Speaker 2: the tournament, and then yeah, you know, Pitt, you have

2047
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:32,280
Speaker 2: this miraculous finish. I mean, you had a lot of

2048
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:35,000
Speaker 2: great moments, right, and not all of them were you

2049
01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:38,720
Speaker 2: covered in blood, which was good too. But when you

2050
01:46:38,760 --> 01:46:42,479
Speaker 2: look back now and you watch the tournament now and

2051
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:45,720
Speaker 2: you see guys hitting big shots or going to the

2052
01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:48,439
Speaker 2: final four or whatever it may be, do you ever

2053
01:46:48,520 --> 01:46:50,760
Speaker 2: have a moment, Matt Howard where you stop and look

2054
01:46:50,760 --> 01:46:53,280
Speaker 2: at it and go, you know, it almost seems surreal

2055
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:55,760
Speaker 2: that I was a part of that. Did you Were

2056
01:46:55,800 --> 01:46:58,759
Speaker 2: you aware as it was happening with what was happening?

2057
01:47:00,040 --> 01:47:00,240
Speaker 11: Oh?

2058
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:02,760
Speaker 14: No, no, I mean when you ask that way, I

2059
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:06,200
Speaker 14: had no idea really, and especially the first year, you

2060
01:47:06,200 --> 01:47:11,960
Speaker 14: don't you don't really understand, you know that the first year,

2061
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:13,559
Speaker 14: being in the first year we made the Final four,

2062
01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:15,599
Speaker 14: I mean, once you get past the first weekend, it's

2063
01:47:15,680 --> 01:47:20,479
Speaker 14: just a completely different feel of everything, media and just

2064
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:22,600
Speaker 14: to focus on the games. But I mean when you

2065
01:47:22,640 --> 01:47:27,160
Speaker 14: get to that that final weekend, it's it's literally hysteria.

2066
01:47:27,240 --> 01:47:31,519
Speaker 14: I mean, it's it's just craziness relative to playing in

2067
01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:33,720
Speaker 14: that first game, in the media attention and all the

2068
01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:37,000
Speaker 14: things that you got to got to do. And yeah,

2069
01:47:37,040 --> 01:47:39,920
Speaker 14: I mean it's it's not something that I think about

2070
01:47:39,960 --> 01:47:43,040
Speaker 14: a lot until Marshall's around and then you know, you're

2071
01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:46,439
Speaker 14: reminded of those things. And you know, we didn't, we

2072
01:47:46,479 --> 01:47:50,120
Speaker 14: didn't really think anything of it. I think maybe maybe

2073
01:47:50,160 --> 01:47:53,560
Speaker 14: I was ignorant, and I won't speak for my teammates,

2074
01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:57,760
Speaker 14: but I didn't really understand the magnitude of it, and

2075
01:47:58,360 --> 01:48:00,640
Speaker 14: probably because our coaches had so a good job of

2076
01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:03,080
Speaker 14: being like, here's the next task at hand, like here's

2077
01:48:03,160 --> 01:48:06,519
Speaker 14: what we're trying to focus on and and really be

2078
01:48:06,600 --> 01:48:09,679
Speaker 14: mindful of. But I had no idea really, to be honest.

2079
01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:15,559
Speaker 2: Was there a moment or an experience where you took

2080
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:18,840
Speaker 2: something or heard something from Brad Stevens where you said

2081
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:22,920
Speaker 2: to yourself, this guy's different, this is a this is

2082
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:24,439
Speaker 2: a different level of coaching.

2083
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:30,800
Speaker 14: I wouldn't say it was one specific moment, but you know,

2084
01:48:31,160 --> 01:48:34,760
Speaker 14: we had a great coaching staff, you know, so I

2085
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:36,519
Speaker 14: give credit to them too, and I think he would,

2086
01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:38,760
Speaker 14: but yeah, I mean he was. He just showed it

2087
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:42,360
Speaker 14: to you all the time. Yeah, So even how we

2088
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:45,960
Speaker 14: you know, how we practiced and and the daily you know,

2089
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:49,320
Speaker 14: the day to day stuff that we did, and I

2090
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:53,759
Speaker 14: don't know, you know, back to your you know question before,

2091
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:56,080
Speaker 14: I don't know that I really appreciated it until I

2092
01:48:56,240 --> 01:49:00,719
Speaker 14: was gone, and then you see, oh, this isn't exactly normal,

2093
01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:03,720
Speaker 14: you know. And I played for some good coaches overseas,

2094
01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:07,799
Speaker 14: and none of them were as good as our coaching

2095
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:08,400
Speaker 14: staff that.

2096
01:49:10,240 --> 01:49:10,639
Speaker 11: We had.

2097
01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:15,040
Speaker 14: And it's you know a lot of that you know,

2098
01:49:15,080 --> 01:49:16,920
Speaker 14: you don't know what you have until it's gone type

2099
01:49:16,920 --> 01:49:19,600
Speaker 14: of thing. And the same for teammates, just like the

2100
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:24,360
Speaker 14: level the level of guys and teammates that we had

2101
01:49:24,560 --> 01:49:26,000
Speaker 14: was was pretty special.

2102
01:49:26,840 --> 01:49:27,000
Speaker 12: You know.

2103
01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:28,120
Speaker 11: Guys sacrifice and.

2104
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:31,280
Speaker 14: The to get us to where we to where we

2105
01:49:31,320 --> 01:49:35,240
Speaker 14: got to. I mean it's again, you don't really understand

2106
01:49:35,240 --> 01:49:38,439
Speaker 14: it until you take a few steps back from it

2107
01:49:38,479 --> 01:49:39,639
Speaker 14: and are able to see it.

2108
01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:42,880
Speaker 2: You know, I think, Matt, for anybody who's played a

2109
01:49:42,920 --> 01:49:46,960
Speaker 2: sport and been on a team, sometimes you can look back,

2110
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:49,200
Speaker 2: and I mean this in a good way, not a

2111
01:49:49,200 --> 01:49:51,680
Speaker 2: bad way. Sometimes you can look back and you understand,

2112
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:55,320
Speaker 2: or you can then in retrospect realize that you had

2113
01:49:55,360 --> 01:50:01,880
Speaker 2: a teammate that was basically the guy that was delivering

2114
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:04,880
Speaker 2: the coach's message. Maybe the coach wanted to hit you know,

2115
01:50:05,120 --> 01:50:07,120
Speaker 2: maybe there was a guy on the roster and the

2116
01:50:07,160 --> 01:50:10,280
Speaker 2: coach knew that guy's not going to respond to my word,

2117
01:50:10,439 --> 01:50:12,720
Speaker 2: but if I can get his teammate to get it

2118
01:50:12,760 --> 01:50:14,920
Speaker 2: to him, then he's going to respond to it.

2119
01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:15,400
Speaker 1: Okay.

2120
01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:19,920
Speaker 2: And we've all experienced that was Ronald Norad that guy

2121
01:50:19,960 --> 01:50:20,280
Speaker 2: at all.

2122
01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:23,600
Speaker 11: For you guys, Yeah, I mean as much as anybody.

2123
01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:27,200
Speaker 14: I'd say it was. But you know I've heard ron

2124
01:50:27,240 --> 01:50:30,360
Speaker 14: tell his story too, and it's true, Like he coach

2125
01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:32,880
Speaker 14: would yell at Ron to get other people to do

2126
01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:35,160
Speaker 14: things that he wanted to, like, you know, he knew

2127
01:50:35,200 --> 01:50:38,599
Speaker 14: he could handle it. But then also he's he's then

2128
01:50:38,640 --> 01:50:40,800
Speaker 14: conveying that, you know, some of that message to us

2129
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:48,320
Speaker 14: on the court, and you know, he's he absolutely understood

2130
01:50:48,360 --> 01:50:51,120
Speaker 14: what it took. Like when you're the point guard. Also,

2131
01:50:51,880 --> 01:50:56,240
Speaker 14: you're sort of in charge of making sure the players

2132
01:50:56,240 --> 01:50:58,200
Speaker 14: are being run the right way and you're getting people

2133
01:50:58,240 --> 01:51:01,360
Speaker 14: involved and people in the right spot. And so he

2134
01:51:01,479 --> 01:51:05,080
Speaker 14: was a natural. You know, he's a natural person for that.

2135
01:51:05,200 --> 01:51:09,280
Speaker 14: And you know, you didn't really ask this, but I

2136
01:51:09,360 --> 01:51:11,400
Speaker 14: you know, one of the things that I remember really

2137
01:51:11,400 --> 01:51:14,080
Speaker 14: well about him and still laugh about. You know, he

2138
01:51:14,600 --> 01:51:17,960
Speaker 14: wasn't necessarily the best free throw shooter. He wasn't our

2139
01:51:17,960 --> 01:51:21,040
Speaker 14: best shooter by any means. But you know, when we

2140
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:25,439
Speaker 14: were in Indianapolis, he had I think we were up

2141
01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:29,760
Speaker 14: maybe up one, I think it was, or maybe we

2142
01:51:29,800 --> 01:51:32,000
Speaker 14: were tied, you know, and he hit a couple of

2143
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:34,920
Speaker 14: free throws late against Mission Sate and he just said,

2144
01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:37,240
Speaker 14: you know, he just said, like, hey, you know, when

2145
01:51:37,240 --> 01:51:38,800
Speaker 14: it matters, I'm going to make him. You know, he

2146
01:51:38,840 --> 01:51:42,880
Speaker 14: had this incredible confidence of focus about him, and those

2147
01:51:42,960 --> 01:51:45,240
Speaker 14: are those are leader type moments.

2148
01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:49,519
Speaker 2: What will most intrigue you about how he handles this

2149
01:51:49,600 --> 01:51:52,560
Speaker 2: Butler job and how much do you how much interaction

2150
01:51:52,680 --> 01:51:54,000
Speaker 2: do you have with Butler now.

2151
01:51:56,400 --> 01:51:59,360
Speaker 14: A little bit, but I think to your to your question,

2152
01:51:59,560 --> 01:52:04,599
Speaker 14: he I think what will be really intriguing is who

2153
01:52:04,680 --> 01:52:08,080
Speaker 14: he surrounds himself with. And I really have no idea.

2154
01:52:08,360 --> 01:52:11,160
Speaker 14: You know, I didn't know that he was going to

2155
01:52:11,160 --> 01:52:13,120
Speaker 14: be the higher either, you know you're talking about that earlier.

2156
01:52:15,080 --> 01:52:20,599
Speaker 14: I don't know who those guys are, but it's it's

2157
01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:23,400
Speaker 14: a I think it's a really big deal who that

2158
01:52:23,600 --> 01:52:29,880
Speaker 14: is or who those people are, and especially because if

2159
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:32,720
Speaker 14: he operates like you know, I think a lot of

2160
01:52:32,760 --> 01:52:37,120
Speaker 14: coaches do, and and even how coach Stevens did you

2161
01:52:37,120 --> 01:52:40,480
Speaker 14: you put a lot on those people, you know, to

2162
01:52:40,640 --> 01:52:43,200
Speaker 14: make you successful and put put the team in the

2163
01:52:43,280 --> 01:52:45,080
Speaker 14: right position and make sure they're giving you the right

2164
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:50,080
Speaker 14: feedback off the court and on. But man, it's such

2165
01:52:50,120 --> 01:52:54,120
Speaker 14: a big deal today of the people that you're getting

2166
01:52:55,280 --> 01:52:59,400
Speaker 14: and the portal itself, and you know, with that turn

2167
01:52:59,439 --> 01:53:02,360
Speaker 14: it on real soon. They've got a lot, They've got

2168
01:53:02,360 --> 01:53:03,040
Speaker 14: a lot of work to do.

2169
01:53:03,160 --> 01:53:06,200
Speaker 2: Can they get them, can they get them there? Can

2170
01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:09,480
Speaker 2: they get can they get can get those players.

2171
01:53:10,840 --> 01:53:14,439
Speaker 14: Well, it depends on wait, you know who those players are.

2172
01:53:14,520 --> 01:53:18,800
Speaker 14: But you know what what I have heard, you know

2173
01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:21,200
Speaker 14: Sad and his staff talk about too is you know,

2174
01:53:21,240 --> 01:53:23,759
Speaker 14: it's it takes. It's going to take the right people

2175
01:53:23,800 --> 01:53:26,519
Speaker 14: you've got to get. You know this is this is

2176
01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:30,080
Speaker 14: a situation for a certain type of player. If someone

2177
01:53:30,120 --> 01:53:32,160
Speaker 14: wants the most money, they're obviously not going to go

2178
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:34,680
Speaker 14: to Butler. You know, if they want to go to

2179
01:53:34,720 --> 01:53:38,599
Speaker 14: a place hopefully has a special culture and tradition to it,

2180
01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:41,720
Speaker 14: and you know they want to be they want to

2181
01:53:41,720 --> 01:53:47,000
Speaker 14: be a Butler bulldog, then you know that's that's the challenge.

2182
01:53:47,080 --> 01:53:51,639
Speaker 14: I mean, you nailed to start now. I think they're

2183
01:53:51,680 --> 01:53:54,599
Speaker 14: probably working overtime right now to see if they can

2184
01:53:54,720 --> 01:53:58,400
Speaker 14: improve whatever that that an IL budget is for next year.

2185
01:53:58,920 --> 01:54:01,599
Speaker 11: But it'll be it's not easy.

2186
01:54:01,640 --> 01:54:04,880
Speaker 14: I think they'll It'll be interesting to hear what Ron says.

2187
01:54:04,920 --> 01:54:10,120
Speaker 14: I think Friday is they're introducing him and you know

2188
01:54:10,160 --> 01:54:11,880
Speaker 14: he's going to be He and Grant are going to

2189
01:54:11,880 --> 01:54:13,800
Speaker 14: be able to answer those questions a lot better. Have

2190
01:54:13,880 --> 01:54:17,800
Speaker 14: you spoken with him not yet today? I know both

2191
01:54:17,840 --> 01:54:19,840
Speaker 14: of those guys are are.

2192
01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:22,040
Speaker 1: Swan pretty busy days, right, Yeah.

2193
01:54:22,080 --> 01:54:25,160
Speaker 14: They're going to be really busy, so you know, the

2194
01:54:25,240 --> 01:54:27,559
Speaker 14: last thing they need is another person trying to talk

2195
01:54:27,600 --> 01:54:32,280
Speaker 14: to him. And plus I literally have nothing. I don't

2196
01:54:32,280 --> 01:54:35,080
Speaker 14: know that I have anything that I can benefit them today.

2197
01:54:37,160 --> 01:54:40,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean except for the fact that obviously, you

2198
01:54:40,080 --> 01:54:42,360
Speaker 2: know a great teammate, right, I mean, I wasn't on

2199
01:54:42,400 --> 01:54:42,800
Speaker 2: the floor.

2200
01:54:42,840 --> 01:54:47,800
Speaker 1: But but here's the thing, Matt. You don't lay the.

2201
01:54:47,800 --> 01:54:51,120
Speaker 2: Greatest screen in the history of college basketball to allow

2202
01:54:51,160 --> 01:54:53,360
Speaker 2: a guy to even get off that shot in that

2203
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:55,560
Speaker 2: moment and hit some of the shots you did down

2204
01:54:55,600 --> 01:54:59,480
Speaker 2: the stretch without being a conscientious teammate. And there's an

2205
01:54:59,480 --> 01:55:01,640
Speaker 2: awareness it goes with that, and I think that that

2206
01:55:01,680 --> 01:55:02,400
Speaker 2: never goes away.

2207
01:55:02,520 --> 01:55:06,440
Speaker 14: Right, Well, I'm going to have to I'm gonna have

2208
01:55:06,440 --> 01:55:08,520
Speaker 14: to backtrack that for you just a little bit. It

2209
01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:12,320
Speaker 14: was almost robotic, just just to lay the record straight.

2210
01:55:13,600 --> 01:55:17,040
Speaker 14: We had practiced that exact type of play a few

2211
01:55:17,040 --> 01:55:18,880
Speaker 14: times and actually run it earlier in the year to

2212
01:55:19,440 --> 01:55:23,880
Speaker 14: help us win a game late so that we could

2213
01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:27,720
Speaker 14: have that conference season undefeated. That was something we practice

2214
01:55:27,760 --> 01:55:29,680
Speaker 14: all the time, you know, and we were sort of

2215
01:55:29,680 --> 01:55:33,200
Speaker 14: fortunate that Gordon got the mall. So, yes, is there

2216
01:55:33,200 --> 01:55:36,400
Speaker 14: an awareness to then turn around and do it live

2217
01:55:36,480 --> 01:55:40,320
Speaker 14: without calling the play. Yes, but in some ways that

2218
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:43,080
Speaker 14: was like a robot moving around, just because I'd run

2219
01:55:43,120 --> 01:55:48,520
Speaker 14: that probably twenty times at least in practices and games

2220
01:55:48,520 --> 01:55:49,240
Speaker 14: earlier in the year.

2221
01:55:49,480 --> 01:55:51,800
Speaker 2: We're talking about that final shot by the way that

2222
01:55:51,960 --> 01:55:53,240
Speaker 2: Gordon Hayward nearly hit.

2223
01:55:53,240 --> 01:55:55,320
Speaker 1: But the screen was unbelievable.

2224
01:55:55,440 --> 01:55:59,920
Speaker 2: I mean, the only drawback aside from him missing that

2225
01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:04,080
Speaker 2: shot but the camera work unfortunately understandably so pans over

2226
01:56:04,120 --> 01:56:05,920
Speaker 2: to see what the SHOT's going to do, so you

2227
01:56:06,160 --> 01:56:08,000
Speaker 2: kind of miss the screen itself.

2228
01:56:08,040 --> 01:56:10,080
Speaker 1: But it was a brilliant screen, no question.

2229
01:56:10,160 --> 01:56:10,560
Speaker 5: It seems.

2230
01:56:10,640 --> 01:56:14,480
Speaker 14: It seems like every Duke fan that I've met had

2231
01:56:14,520 --> 01:56:18,040
Speaker 14: no problem seeing that screen. Like they like to tell

2232
01:56:18,080 --> 01:56:21,160
Speaker 14: me that they saw it and it was legal, and

2233
01:56:20,760 --> 01:56:26,400
Speaker 14: it's it's interesting. Now, Wow, that's been what sixteen years,

2234
01:56:26,400 --> 01:56:32,000
Speaker 14: sixteen years. Yeah, And there are guys that I'll meet

2235
01:56:32,360 --> 01:56:34,400
Speaker 14: now that you know, are from all over the country

2236
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:36,400
Speaker 14: and they're like, oh, you're the guy that set the screen,

2237
01:56:36,600 --> 01:56:41,640
Speaker 14: you know, so remember for something setting the screen, which

2238
01:56:41,680 --> 01:56:44,200
Speaker 14: I love. Actually, if there's anything I should be remembered for,

2239
01:56:44,280 --> 01:56:46,120
Speaker 14: I guess it's said in the screen you.

2240
01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:46,800
Speaker 1: Should have a shirt.

2241
01:56:46,840 --> 01:56:49,600
Speaker 2: I set the screen everybody will know exactly what it means, right,

2242
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:53,080
Speaker 2: exactly what it means. Listen, short notice that we got

2243
01:56:53,120 --> 01:56:55,240
Speaker 2: you today, and I appreciate you making time for us,

2244
01:56:55,320 --> 01:56:57,160
Speaker 2: and we'll see what happens with your former team. And

2245
01:56:57,200 --> 01:56:59,080
Speaker 2: I think you said it best when you said there's

2246
01:56:59,080 --> 01:57:01,280
Speaker 2: something about Ronald nor that like he just he kind

2247
01:57:01,320 --> 01:57:03,680
Speaker 2: of exudes this positive energy, right, and we'll see how

2248
01:57:03,720 --> 01:57:07,400
Speaker 2: that translates for Butler. But certainly appreciate the perspectives today.

2249
01:57:08,160 --> 01:57:10,360
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's right, go dogs, appreciate it.

2250
01:57:10,360 --> 01:57:13,000
Speaker 2: Matt Howard joining us on the job House Colbrew Coffee

2251
01:57:13,280 --> 01:57:18,120
Speaker 2: guest line. There are I think in any line of

2252
01:57:18,160 --> 01:57:23,520
Speaker 2: coaching and any coach that you hear about, you know,

2253
01:57:23,600 --> 01:57:28,160
Speaker 2: I know that, And that's a very interesting perspective there

2254
01:57:28,840 --> 01:57:33,040
Speaker 2: that Brad Stevens that Ronald Norad was the guy that

2255
01:57:33,080 --> 01:57:34,840
Speaker 2: you know, he would get on Nora to hey, you

2256
01:57:34,880 --> 01:57:38,400
Speaker 2: need to get on these guys. And a big part

2257
01:57:38,440 --> 01:57:42,440
Speaker 2: of that, I think it's twofold number one. He's the

2258
01:57:42,440 --> 01:57:44,400
Speaker 2: point guard. And that goes without saying. I mean, that's

2259
01:57:44,480 --> 01:57:48,400
Speaker 2: that's that's your quarterback, that's your catcher, that's your linebacker,

2260
01:57:48,520 --> 01:57:50,880
Speaker 2: whatever it might be. That's the guy that's the core

2261
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:52,920
Speaker 2: of the unit, no doubt about that. It's always been

2262
01:57:52,920 --> 01:57:56,200
Speaker 2: that way with point guards. But I also think that

2263
01:57:56,320 --> 01:58:02,320
Speaker 2: great coaches have an understanding. Coaching is about more than

2264
01:58:02,360 --> 01:58:08,840
Speaker 2: knowing x's and o's and knowing the game. I mean,

2265
01:58:08,840 --> 01:58:11,120
Speaker 2: I've been around people that I don't have any doubt

2266
01:58:11,160 --> 01:58:15,480
Speaker 2: to know the game, but I can very easily see

2267
01:58:15,480 --> 01:58:17,000
Speaker 2: that they have no understanding of people.

2268
01:58:18,360 --> 01:58:21,600
Speaker 1: And I think knowing.

2269
01:58:21,720 --> 01:58:27,320
Speaker 2: What how different players react to different scenario is so important.

2270
01:58:28,960 --> 01:58:32,560
Speaker 1: And John Caliperi is a good example.

2271
01:58:33,480 --> 01:58:37,280
Speaker 2: I've always thought John Caliperi he has an it factor

2272
01:58:37,360 --> 01:58:40,560
Speaker 2: about him. Maybe not as much today, but certainly at

2273
01:58:40,600 --> 01:58:45,080
Speaker 2: one time. I remember when when cali Peri first started

2274
01:58:45,080 --> 01:58:48,000
Speaker 2: at UMass and he was getting players to go to UMass,

2275
01:58:48,160 --> 01:58:51,720
Speaker 2: which before that UMass was known as Julius Irving, and

2276
01:58:51,720 --> 01:58:55,320
Speaker 2: that was it. But cali Perry had worked, he'd been

2277
01:58:55,320 --> 01:58:57,480
Speaker 2: an assistant, I want to say, and I could be

2278
01:58:57,520 --> 01:59:00,160
Speaker 2: wrong in this. I don't know whether it is that

2279
01:59:00,320 --> 01:59:05,120
Speaker 2: Robert Morris or pitt but cali Perry Five Star Basketball

2280
01:59:05,440 --> 01:59:08,720
Speaker 2: Camp was a big camp that Howard Garfinkel ran in

2281
01:59:08,760 --> 01:59:12,760
Speaker 2: the late eighties early nineties in Pittsburgh, and it was

2282
01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:15,400
Speaker 2: the national camp before Nike Camp and all the other

2283
01:59:15,440 --> 01:59:18,080
Speaker 2: stuff that's come along. You weren't anything unless you were

2284
01:59:18,120 --> 01:59:21,880
Speaker 2: at five Star, and that's where stars were made. And

2285
01:59:22,760 --> 01:59:25,480
Speaker 2: cali Perry because he was an assistant coach in the

2286
01:59:25,480 --> 01:59:30,400
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh area, he was one of the counselors at five Star,

2287
01:59:30,520 --> 01:59:33,440
Speaker 2: and all these guys started talking about this John Caliperi.

2288
01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:37,200
Speaker 2: It's because he had this personality there was larger than life,

2289
01:59:37,280 --> 01:59:41,560
Speaker 2: and that's a huge part of the battle. But using

2290
01:59:41,600 --> 01:59:45,280
Speaker 2: that larger than life personality to get players is one thing.

2291
01:59:46,800 --> 01:59:50,920
Speaker 2: Molding players and understanding how to mesh personalities as another,

2292
01:59:51,280 --> 01:59:54,879
Speaker 2: and more importantly, knowing which players are going to respond

2293
01:59:54,920 --> 01:59:58,720
Speaker 2: to criticism, which players need to be coddled, which players

2294
01:59:58,720 --> 02:00:02,320
Speaker 2: can handle a screaming in the ear, which players are

2295
02:00:02,360 --> 02:00:03,919
Speaker 2: going to shell.

2296
02:00:03,800 --> 02:00:05,760
Speaker 1: Up because of that.

2297
02:00:05,760 --> 02:00:08,560
Speaker 2: That is as big a part of coaching as making

2298
02:00:08,640 --> 02:00:12,160
Speaker 2: it robotic, how you set a screen. And the great

2299
02:00:12,160 --> 02:00:15,640
Speaker 2: coaches that you see understand that. And I don't know

2300
02:00:15,680 --> 02:00:18,960
Speaker 2: whether Ronald Nord will be a great head coach, but

2301
02:00:19,080 --> 02:00:21,720
Speaker 2: I do know that if he was witnessed to a

2302
02:00:21,760 --> 02:00:24,920
Speaker 2: great coach that understood that, he could be the conduit

2303
02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:28,560
Speaker 2: to getting the message delivered to his teammates. That means

2304
02:00:28,680 --> 02:00:31,840
Speaker 2: number one, that one of the great evaluators of all

2305
02:00:31,840 --> 02:00:34,920
Speaker 2: time in Brad Stevens, trusted that in Ron Nord, and

2306
02:00:35,080 --> 02:00:38,440
Speaker 2: number two that nor Ed maybe not in the moment,

2307
02:00:38,480 --> 02:00:44,200
Speaker 2: but retroactively can look back and understand now the importance

2308
02:00:44,360 --> 02:00:48,200
Speaker 2: of the delegation of authority and of request of what

2309
02:00:48,360 --> 02:00:51,520
Speaker 2: needs to be done to win. And that's a key

2310
02:00:51,680 --> 02:00:54,000
Speaker 2: aspect and we'll see, and I think Matt Howard made

2311
02:00:54,000 --> 02:00:56,680
Speaker 2: a great point there. How do you then compliment that

2312
02:00:56,720 --> 02:00:59,440
Speaker 2: with the roster around you, and how do you then

2313
02:00:59,560 --> 02:01:02,520
Speaker 2: in addition into that compliment or build it up with

2314
02:01:02,760 --> 02:01:08,880
Speaker 2: the you know, obviously necessity of nil money and funding

2315
02:01:08,880 --> 02:01:12,320
Speaker 2: and everything else. But when it comes to coaching, sometimes

2316
02:01:12,360 --> 02:01:17,080
Speaker 2: also you are banding together players that are having to

2317
02:01:17,120 --> 02:01:20,320
Speaker 2: come together because there's a tragedy that's taken place and

2318
02:01:20,360 --> 02:01:23,160
Speaker 2: you need to turn it into triumph. And that's one

2319
02:01:23,160 --> 02:01:26,320
Speaker 2: of the things that took place last night in bringing

2320
02:01:26,360 --> 02:01:31,240
Speaker 2: a championship back to Indianapolis. And there are several aspects

2321
02:01:31,400 --> 02:01:35,640
Speaker 2: about what Marion did that we could all applaud, and

2322
02:01:35,680 --> 02:01:39,200
Speaker 2: we'll do so with their head coach next. There were

2323
02:01:39,240 --> 02:01:44,080
Speaker 2: a couple of mistakes I guess over the season for

2324
02:01:44,240 --> 02:01:50,480
Speaker 2: Marion in women's basketball. After all, they lost twice, they

2325
02:01:50,520 --> 02:01:53,120
Speaker 2: didn't have sand kicked in their face, per se.

2326
02:01:53,200 --> 02:01:54,280
Speaker 1: But last night.

2327
02:01:55,760 --> 02:01:59,200
Speaker 2: At halftime in Sioux City, Iowa, at the Tyson Event Center,

2328
02:01:59,240 --> 02:02:03,080
Speaker 2: they found themselves down down four, as a matter of

2329
02:02:03,080 --> 02:02:07,040
Speaker 2: fact to Dort and they kept fighting till the end,

2330
02:02:07,240 --> 02:02:10,240
Speaker 2: and the third quarter in particular was huge and as

2331
02:02:10,280 --> 02:02:15,120
Speaker 2: a result, a tremendous congratulations to the women's basketball program

2332
02:02:15,760 --> 02:02:19,320
Speaker 2: at Marion for winning. And this is very impressive, the

2333
02:02:19,320 --> 02:02:22,280
Speaker 2: third title in women's basketball for Marion and the tenth

2334
02:02:22,400 --> 02:02:27,400
Speaker 2: NAIA championship for the school in any sport. And notably,

2335
02:02:27,440 --> 02:02:29,640
Speaker 2: and this is also very cool. Seven of the ten

2336
02:02:29,760 --> 02:02:32,760
Speaker 2: championships won by Marion and brought back to the West

2337
02:02:32,800 --> 02:02:37,040
Speaker 2: Side were won by female coaches. Santana Anderson is the

2338
02:02:37,120 --> 02:02:39,280
Speaker 2: latest to do so. She is the tenth female head

2339
02:02:39,320 --> 02:02:43,520
Speaker 2: coach to win an NAIA basketball national championship and coach

2340
02:02:43,600 --> 02:02:46,360
Speaker 2: or are you guys still driving back from Sioux City

2341
02:02:46,880 --> 02:02:48,440
Speaker 2: or are you just now waking up?

2342
02:02:49,560 --> 02:02:52,280
Speaker 7: No, We're we're driving on a road back to Indiana.

2343
02:02:52,480 --> 02:02:53,920
Speaker 1: How's the celebration been.

2344
02:02:54,040 --> 02:02:58,360
Speaker 10: Let's begin with that, it's been a celebration.

2345
02:02:59,280 --> 02:03:04,240
Speaker 7: Still just does not really seem real, but the kids

2346
02:03:04,240 --> 02:03:09,240
Speaker 7: had an opportunity to celebrate in just embrace what we

2347
02:03:10,560 --> 02:03:11,440
Speaker 7: conquer last night.

2348
02:03:11,760 --> 02:03:13,800
Speaker 2: You know, I've got a buddy that coined this phrase

2349
02:03:14,200 --> 02:03:15,800
Speaker 2: with a different sporting event coach, and.

2350
02:03:15,800 --> 02:03:17,080
Speaker 1: I'll let you use it.

2351
02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:20,240
Speaker 2: It's surreal, but it's real, which is exactly what it

2352
02:03:20,280 --> 02:03:22,960
Speaker 2: is for you guys. Right, Let's go back to this,

2353
02:03:23,040 --> 02:03:25,120
Speaker 2: and I want to talk about because we've talked to

2354
02:03:25,160 --> 02:03:27,200
Speaker 2: you before, and I want to talk to you about

2355
02:03:27,240 --> 02:03:29,880
Speaker 2: some of the things that took place with your young

2356
02:03:29,920 --> 02:03:31,960
Speaker 2: women here over the course of the basketball season. But

2357
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:34,440
Speaker 2: let's go back to last night. You find yourself here.

2358
02:03:34,480 --> 02:03:38,000
Speaker 2: You are in a game where both teams coming in

2359
02:03:38,040 --> 02:03:41,640
Speaker 2: with identical records at thirty four and two the national championship,

2360
02:03:41,920 --> 02:03:45,360
Speaker 2: and you're down at the half and I don't know

2361
02:03:45,360 --> 02:03:47,360
Speaker 2: what it was that was said or what adjustments that

2362
02:03:47,440 --> 02:03:49,600
Speaker 2: might have been made, but you came out out of

2363
02:03:49,600 --> 02:03:53,200
Speaker 2: the half and you guys separate yourselves at that point.

2364
02:03:53,360 --> 02:03:54,600
Speaker 1: What was the difference?

2365
02:03:56,240 --> 02:04:00,320
Speaker 7: The message I have time was that we knew that

2366
02:04:00,360 --> 02:04:03,440
Speaker 7: we had to come out in the third quarter.

2367
02:04:03,640 --> 02:04:05,040
Speaker 12: And win the first five minutes.

2368
02:04:05,800 --> 02:04:08,680
Speaker 7: We wanted to get three stops in a row, three

2369
02:04:08,720 --> 02:04:11,920
Speaker 7: scores in a row and then you know, also just

2370
02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:13,640
Speaker 7: know that we had to take we had to take

2371
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Speaker 7: care of the ball, and with every stop we wanted

2372
02:04:16,480 --> 02:04:18,800
Speaker 7: to make sure that we had an opportunity to score.

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Speaker 2: Madison Bailey led you guys with twenty three. Abby McNally

2374
02:04:23,200 --> 02:04:26,600
Speaker 2: had seventeen, You had three and double figures. Kenneth Kirby

2375
02:04:26,640 --> 02:04:30,200
Speaker 2: had fourteen for you as well. But I'm always curious

2376
02:04:30,240 --> 02:04:35,080
Speaker 2: of this. With every team coach, there's that glue person,

2377
02:04:35,800 --> 02:04:37,800
Speaker 2: the one that you'll look back twenty years from now

2378
02:04:37,840 --> 02:04:39,560
Speaker 2: and look at that box score and say, you know what,

2379
02:04:40,600 --> 02:04:43,760
Speaker 2: maybe the accolades didn't come the way of this player,

2380
02:04:44,600 --> 02:04:48,240
Speaker 2: but they executed exactly what they needed to do and

2381
02:04:48,400 --> 02:04:51,200
Speaker 2: didn't worry about any glory or number that comes with it.

2382
02:04:51,280 --> 02:04:53,360
Speaker 2: Aside from those that I just mentioned, who is that

2383
02:04:53,400 --> 02:04:54,040
Speaker 2: player for you?

2384
02:04:56,520 --> 02:05:00,720
Speaker 7: I would say our glue player is I would say

2385
02:05:00,920 --> 02:05:06,240
Speaker 7: Kylie McNally. I mean Kylie just does the She worked

2386
02:05:06,280 --> 02:05:09,560
Speaker 7: hard and does the little things well. In our postseason,

2387
02:05:09,640 --> 02:05:13,240
Speaker 7: she has really been tasked with guarding the best player

2388
02:05:13,360 --> 02:05:17,160
Speaker 7: on the opposing team. And that when I say best player,

2389
02:05:17,200 --> 02:05:20,280
Speaker 7: I mean like it could be guard or post, and

2390
02:05:20,360 --> 02:05:23,360
Speaker 7: she just has done She stepped up and has done

2391
02:05:23,360 --> 02:05:26,400
Speaker 7: a really good job. And you know, I've challenged her to,

2392
02:05:27,080 --> 02:05:30,600
Speaker 7: you know, pursue more rebounds and finish around the basket

2393
02:05:30,640 --> 02:05:33,040
Speaker 7: and make her free throws, and she just kind of

2394
02:05:33,040 --> 02:05:36,480
Speaker 7: stepped up to the plate and tournament Kylie is a

2395
02:05:36,520 --> 02:05:38,560
Speaker 7: different kid and she's locked in.

2396
02:05:39,400 --> 02:05:43,000
Speaker 2: When did you realize? Coach Santana Anderson is my guest.

2397
02:05:43,080 --> 02:05:45,440
Speaker 2: She's the head basketball coach of the Maryon Knights women's

2398
02:05:45,440 --> 02:05:50,200
Speaker 2: basketball team, now the national champion mary Knights women's basketball team,

2399
02:05:50,560 --> 02:05:54,960
Speaker 2: When did you realize that this was indeed possible? Tell

2400
02:05:54,960 --> 02:05:56,960
Speaker 2: me the moment that maybe you were driving home from

2401
02:05:56,960 --> 02:05:59,320
Speaker 2: a practice or a game and you thought to yourself,

2402
02:05:59,840 --> 02:06:01,080
Speaker 2: I got something special here.

2403
02:06:03,040 --> 02:06:07,240
Speaker 7: I would I would say maybe within a few games

2404
02:06:07,240 --> 02:06:11,880
Speaker 7: of the season, I would say I kind of thought

2405
02:06:11,880 --> 02:06:14,240
Speaker 7: that we could really make a run at it.

2406
02:06:14,800 --> 02:06:17,840
Speaker 12: But once we once we once we ended you know.

2407
02:06:17,880 --> 02:06:22,080
Speaker 7: The year fourteen and O, I really thought like, man,

2408
02:06:22,120 --> 02:06:23,320
Speaker 7: we really we really.

2409
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Speaker 12: Have a shot.

2410
02:06:24,800 --> 02:06:28,120
Speaker 7: And so the kids just keep showing up and buying

2411
02:06:28,200 --> 02:06:31,080
Speaker 7: in even through the even even during the two setback

2412
02:06:31,240 --> 02:06:35,080
Speaker 7: losses that we had, we didn't let that stop us

2413
02:06:35,160 --> 02:06:37,680
Speaker 7: define us. We went back to practice, got to work,

2414
02:06:38,440 --> 02:06:42,280
Speaker 7: knew that we fixed some things that we needed to fix, and.

2415
02:06:42,480 --> 02:06:44,880
Speaker 12: What we harbored on our entire year is.

2416
02:06:45,240 --> 02:06:48,680
Speaker 7: Our defense, and our defense has like carried us this

2417
02:06:48,920 --> 02:06:49,640
Speaker 7: entire season.

2418
02:06:50,760 --> 02:06:53,360
Speaker 2: Coach, we talked about this the last time that I

2419
02:06:53,400 --> 02:06:55,920
Speaker 2: had you on, but for those that are unfamiliar with it,

2420
02:06:56,920 --> 02:06:59,400
Speaker 2: uh you mentioned when I was talking about players that

2421
02:06:59,440 --> 02:07:01,960
Speaker 2: were great players for you. You know, Abay McNally had

2422
02:07:02,000 --> 02:07:04,920
Speaker 2: seventeen last night. Her sister Kylie, you said, was a

2423
02:07:04,920 --> 02:07:09,960
Speaker 2: glue player. And we talked about the fact that your

2424
02:07:10,040 --> 02:07:13,000
Speaker 2: job is to coach a basketball team, and your job

2425
02:07:13,080 --> 02:07:16,200
Speaker 2: is to push the right buttons, and you know when

2426
02:07:16,240 --> 02:07:19,520
Speaker 2: you are when young people are coming to campus and

2427
02:07:19,600 --> 02:07:22,040
Speaker 2: living there, you know that for those families, they are

2428
02:07:22,160 --> 02:07:25,080
Speaker 2: entrusting you to be their leader and to look after

2429
02:07:25,120 --> 02:07:28,640
Speaker 2: that for four years. These are two young women that

2430
02:07:28,720 --> 02:07:32,720
Speaker 2: lost their mother tragically over the course of the basketball season,

2431
02:07:33,560 --> 02:07:39,680
Speaker 2: and I'm assuming that basketball and the family that comes

2432
02:07:39,720 --> 02:07:43,520
Speaker 2: within that locker room is what helped carry them through

2433
02:07:43,720 --> 02:07:48,640
Speaker 2: and obviously an incredible resolve for them and for your

2434
02:07:48,680 --> 02:07:52,200
Speaker 2: program to keep things focused. Now that you've had a

2435
02:07:52,280 --> 02:07:54,520
Speaker 2: chance to kind of just take a deep breath and

2436
02:07:54,640 --> 02:07:58,840
Speaker 2: see how that all unfolded, what does it say about

2437
02:07:58,880 --> 02:08:01,560
Speaker 2: your young people. They were able to put not just

2438
02:08:01,600 --> 02:08:04,520
Speaker 2: the two those two women, but their teammates as well,

2439
02:08:04,920 --> 02:08:06,360
Speaker 2: to put that all in perspective.

2440
02:08:07,600 --> 02:08:09,720
Speaker 7: I mean, it just it just tells me and showed

2441
02:08:09,760 --> 02:08:14,400
Speaker 7: me how resilient and strong, uh strong group of young

2442
02:08:14,440 --> 02:08:19,240
Speaker 7: women that get the opportunity uh to coach. I'm just

2443
02:08:19,320 --> 02:08:22,920
Speaker 7: grateful and blessed that I'm able to coach them. But

2444
02:08:22,960 --> 02:08:24,440
Speaker 7: they are just so resilient.

2445
02:08:25,320 --> 02:08:27,040
Speaker 11: They just.

2446
02:08:28,560 --> 02:08:29,840
Speaker 12: The way they rally.

2447
02:08:29,720 --> 02:08:34,080
Speaker 7: Around each other, they're they're literally i would say, as

2448
02:08:34,120 --> 02:08:35,839
Speaker 7: close as a as sisters.

2449
02:08:35,840 --> 02:08:39,120
Speaker 12: The team. Everybody is just so close on and off

2450
02:08:39,160 --> 02:08:39,600
Speaker 12: the floor.

2451
02:08:40,000 --> 02:08:43,160
Speaker 7: And I think that just helped helped carry us too

2452
02:08:44,600 --> 02:08:44,920
Speaker 7: to the.

2453
02:08:44,920 --> 02:08:46,280
Speaker 12: National title yesterday.

2454
02:08:47,000 --> 02:08:50,160
Speaker 7: And then it just you know, our our why was

2455
02:08:50,080 --> 02:08:54,800
Speaker 7: was was much bigger than than than ourselves.

2456
02:08:55,640 --> 02:08:57,520
Speaker 2: You know when you look at and I'm sure you've

2457
02:08:57,520 --> 02:09:00,880
Speaker 2: seen these coach the people that you know digital frames

2458
02:09:00,960 --> 02:09:02,720
Speaker 2: right that people will put on their desk, and you

2459
02:09:02,760 --> 02:09:04,080
Speaker 2: know now that we live in a world where you

2460
02:09:04,080 --> 02:09:06,240
Speaker 2: don't have a photo album, You've got a digital frame

2461
02:09:06,280 --> 02:09:08,440
Speaker 2: and it just is rolled in every ten seconds, it

2462
02:09:08,480 --> 02:09:12,320
Speaker 2: refreshes a different photo. Right, if you had one of

2463
02:09:12,360 --> 02:09:15,920
Speaker 2: those of this year and you could pause the one

2464
02:09:16,000 --> 02:09:19,760
Speaker 2: photo and say that right there, that's the moment. That's

2465
02:09:19,840 --> 02:09:24,320
Speaker 2: the image where everything that I want this program to

2466
02:09:24,400 --> 02:09:27,480
Speaker 2: be about is represented right there. And I don't mean

2467
02:09:27,480 --> 02:09:30,560
Speaker 2: when you're cutting down the nets. Was there a moment

2468
02:09:30,600 --> 02:09:33,240
Speaker 2: where you could step back and look back on it

2469
02:09:33,360 --> 02:09:37,720
Speaker 2: in that photo display and say, that's what coach Santana

2470
02:09:37,800 --> 02:09:40,280
Speaker 2: Anderson and Marion Basketball are all about.

2471
02:09:42,160 --> 02:09:45,480
Speaker 7: When they celebrated and the confetti came down and they

2472
02:09:45,680 --> 02:09:48,720
Speaker 7: all were in a center court hugging on each other

2473
02:09:48,800 --> 02:09:52,640
Speaker 7: and then and justin bracing each other, and you know

2474
02:09:52,800 --> 02:09:56,320
Speaker 7: that just I was just standing on a sideline, very

2475
02:09:56,360 --> 02:09:59,160
Speaker 7: proud just watching them celebrate.

2476
02:09:58,760 --> 02:10:00,720
Speaker 12: Because, after all, they did it.

2477
02:10:02,200 --> 02:10:04,720
Speaker 7: I'm just fortunate enough to be able to just leave

2478
02:10:04,760 --> 02:10:07,840
Speaker 7: them off on the sideline. But they're hard work. They

2479
02:10:08,280 --> 02:10:11,880
Speaker 7: have to go out and perform, so ultimately, you know,

2480
02:10:12,520 --> 02:10:14,720
Speaker 7: they did this, and so I was just that was

2481
02:10:14,760 --> 02:10:16,760
Speaker 7: a proud moment for me to just kind of watch

2482
02:10:16,800 --> 02:10:19,960
Speaker 7: them embrace each other and just see their hard work

2483
02:10:20,040 --> 02:10:21,040
Speaker 7: finally pay off.

2484
02:10:21,800 --> 02:10:24,400
Speaker 2: Well, Coach, here's the thing. The hard work pays off.

2485
02:10:24,400 --> 02:10:26,720
Speaker 2: The celebration continues once you get back to campus. The

2486
02:10:26,760 --> 02:10:29,680
Speaker 2: one thing I do know is this, if you're driving

2487
02:10:29,760 --> 02:10:32,280
Speaker 2: back from Iowa. While I do like the state of Iowa,

2488
02:10:32,360 --> 02:10:34,320
Speaker 2: it's got to be the most boring stretch of road

2489
02:10:34,400 --> 02:10:37,760
Speaker 2: in the United States. So you're probably on seventy four

2490
02:10:37,840 --> 02:10:39,880
Speaker 2: right now. I'm gonna guess. I like to play these

2491
02:10:39,880 --> 02:10:42,520
Speaker 2: guessing games. I'm going to guess that you guys are

2492
02:10:43,160 --> 02:10:46,839
Speaker 2: approaching Champagne, Illinois, but not quite yet to the Indiana

2493
02:10:46,880 --> 02:10:47,360
Speaker 2: state line.

2494
02:10:47,360 --> 02:10:48,760
Speaker 1: Am I even remotely close?

2495
02:10:49,680 --> 02:10:51,360
Speaker 12: I don't know even know where we are?

2496
02:10:52,160 --> 02:10:54,920
Speaker 2: Tell you listen, I've made that drive enough times that

2497
02:10:54,960 --> 02:10:57,120
Speaker 2: I've thought to myself, I don't even know where I am.

2498
02:10:57,280 --> 02:11:00,560
Speaker 2: I just know that I'm on seventy four somewhere, you know. Yeah,

2499
02:11:01,120 --> 02:11:03,520
Speaker 2: and there's probably some celebration going on. We'll let you

2500
02:11:03,520 --> 02:11:07,000
Speaker 2: get back to your team to celebrate it, coach, But congratulations,

2501
02:11:07,040 --> 02:11:09,800
Speaker 2: you know, I know, for Steve Downing and for everybody

2502
02:11:09,840 --> 02:11:12,000
Speaker 2: at Marion, the pride that they must have and what

2503
02:11:12,040 --> 02:11:13,840
Speaker 2: you were able to accomplish and being able to bring

2504
02:11:13,880 --> 02:11:17,320
Speaker 2: a championship back to the West side of Indianapolis. Congratulations

2505
02:11:17,320 --> 02:11:18,360
Speaker 2: on it and certainly.

2506
02:11:18,120 --> 02:11:21,080
Speaker 10: Enjoy all right, thank you, I appreciate it, all right.

2507
02:11:21,120 --> 02:11:24,160
Speaker 2: Santana Anderson joining us on the Java House Colbrew Coffee

2508
02:11:24,480 --> 02:11:27,000
Speaker 2: guest line with that celebration, Edi, Eddie, have you driven

2509
02:11:27,040 --> 02:11:28,640
Speaker 2: from Iowa to Indiana by chance?

2510
02:11:28,680 --> 02:11:29,800
Speaker 3: I've never been to Iowa.

2511
02:11:30,280 --> 02:11:32,839
Speaker 1: Really No, I like Iowa.

2512
02:11:33,000 --> 02:11:38,920
Speaker 2: I was I once again, I have my and someday

2513
02:11:38,920 --> 02:11:41,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to do this and you can tell me

2514
02:11:41,160 --> 02:11:42,960
Speaker 2: if this is the dumbest idea of all time.

2515
02:11:43,800 --> 02:11:47,720
Speaker 1: I might have asked you this a year ago. I've

2516
02:11:47,760 --> 02:11:50,560
Speaker 1: been to all fifty US states.

2517
02:11:51,800 --> 02:11:53,800
Speaker 2: One of these days I'm going to do some sort

2518
02:11:53,840 --> 02:11:56,560
Speaker 2: of a blog where I ranked them fifty to one

2519
02:11:57,760 --> 02:12:00,440
Speaker 2: based on and just tell like a little anecdote of

2520
02:12:00,480 --> 02:12:03,160
Speaker 2: something cool that happened or fun that happened, or unique

2521
02:12:03,160 --> 02:12:05,560
Speaker 2: that happened, or somebody I met, or a cool place

2522
02:12:05,600 --> 02:12:07,000
Speaker 2: that I went. I don't know if I should be

2523
02:12:07,080 --> 02:12:09,280
Speaker 2: flattered by this or not. But this morning, when I

2524
02:12:09,320 --> 02:12:12,360
Speaker 2: was at the event with Ed Carpenter, another individual of

2525
02:12:12,400 --> 02:12:16,120
Speaker 2: the ECR team came up and Ed Carpenter introduced me

2526
02:12:16,160 --> 02:12:18,200
Speaker 2: by saying, this is Jake, the guy that visits all

2527
02:12:18,200 --> 02:12:20,960
Speaker 2: the weird cemeteries. Now, I don't know if I should

2528
02:12:21,000 --> 02:12:24,760
Speaker 2: have been like impressed by that or offended by.

2529
02:12:24,600 --> 02:12:30,200
Speaker 3: That, but both and Prince that they knew that offended.

2530
02:12:30,240 --> 02:12:31,880
Speaker 3: That's how they entro went right right.

2531
02:12:32,400 --> 02:12:38,800
Speaker 2: But everywhere that I've been, every state that I've been,

2532
02:12:39,600 --> 02:12:44,920
Speaker 2: I've had at least one experience. I visited one mom

2533
02:12:44,960 --> 02:12:50,680
Speaker 2: and pop cafe, I met one super interesting person, I

2534
02:12:50,720 --> 02:12:54,920
Speaker 2: heard one heartwarming story. In every state that I've been to,

2535
02:12:55,480 --> 02:13:02,280
Speaker 2: but one, there's one state that there just is not

2536
02:13:02,360 --> 02:13:06,040
Speaker 2: a single memorable thing. I'm not saying that bad stuff

2537
02:13:06,080 --> 02:13:11,120
Speaker 2: has happened there, but this state is like that rainy

2538
02:13:13,040 --> 02:13:19,400
Speaker 2: Sunday in January where there's nothing going on and it's

2539
02:13:19,720 --> 02:13:23,120
Speaker 2: twenty two degrees outside in sleeping and you sleep until

2540
02:13:23,200 --> 02:13:24,960
Speaker 2: noon and you're like, yeah, I'm not gonna remember the

2541
02:13:25,000 --> 02:13:28,720
Speaker 2: thing about today. There's one state and that would be

2542
02:13:28,920 --> 02:13:33,320
Speaker 2: my number fifty and I probably now if I'm doing

2543
02:13:33,360 --> 02:13:35,840
Speaker 2: this blog and I'm ranking them, Eddie, do you think

2544
02:13:35,880 --> 02:13:39,320
Speaker 2: it would be more strategic from the click standpoint to

2545
02:13:39,480 --> 02:13:42,800
Speaker 2: start with the best state first and then go down

2546
02:13:42,840 --> 02:13:45,320
Speaker 2: to fifty, or to start with number fifty this is

2547
02:13:45,360 --> 02:13:46,840
Speaker 2: the worst, and rank it down to number one.

2548
02:13:46,840 --> 02:13:48,800
Speaker 3: You gotta go fifty to one, okay.

2549
02:13:49,720 --> 02:13:52,200
Speaker 2: Because number fifty is the easiest pick of them all

2550
02:13:53,440 --> 02:13:56,040
Speaker 2: and number one is as well. And I would probably

2551
02:13:56,080 --> 02:13:58,600
Speaker 2: take Indiana out of the equation because there's a bias.

2552
02:13:59,080 --> 02:14:04,200
Speaker 2: But if you're Iowa is beautiful, Eastern Iowa is very hilly,

2553
02:14:04,240 --> 02:14:08,640
Speaker 2: gorgeous Western Iowa. Bunch of corn, but made right sandwiches

2554
02:14:08,640 --> 02:14:11,640
Speaker 2: are there as well, which are very very good. But

2555
02:14:11,720 --> 02:14:15,960
Speaker 2: I congratulate Marion Onna. That's an awesome, awesome accomplishment. We

2556
02:14:16,000 --> 02:14:18,680
Speaker 2: had a really active and busy show today. We'll come

2557
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Speaker 2: back and kind of put a tie on all of

2558
02:14:20,320 --> 02:14:22,600
Speaker 2: it and get your previewed for what is going on tomorrow.

2559
02:14:22,640 --> 02:14:24,840
Speaker 2: We'll also find out what John's got going on as

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Speaker 1: We'll check in with John and just a bit JMV.

2565
02:14:36,760 --> 02:14:39,040
Speaker 2: Is that one of his favorite spots. We'll catch up

2566
02:14:39,040 --> 02:14:41,840
Speaker 2: with him here in just a moment. I hey, Jake,

2567
02:14:42,400 --> 02:14:45,240
Speaker 2: isn't Ronald Norad just the twenty twenty six version of

2568
02:14:45,320 --> 02:14:47,800
Speaker 2: Laval Jordan, We'll see.

2569
02:14:47,960 --> 02:14:49,480
Speaker 1: I don't know that anybody knows the answer to that.

2570
02:14:49,520 --> 02:14:51,960
Speaker 2: I think Jordan probably is a decent coach, but again,

2571
02:14:53,200 --> 02:14:55,360
Speaker 2: it's hard, it's hard to know how much of that

2572
02:14:55,600 --> 02:14:56,560
Speaker 2: is lack of resource.

2573
02:14:56,600 --> 02:14:58,040
Speaker 1: How much of it is who knows.

2574
02:14:58,120 --> 02:15:01,240
Speaker 2: I mean, Thad Mada one five hundred games into a

2575
02:15:01,280 --> 02:15:04,360
Speaker 2: parafinal four, has won sixty plus percent of his games.

2576
02:15:04,840 --> 02:15:08,200
Speaker 1: And you know, I wouldn't say it was a failure

2577
02:15:08,200 --> 02:15:08,880
Speaker 1: at Butler, but.

2578
02:15:08,840 --> 02:15:14,440
Speaker 2: It wasn't over overwhelmingly dynamic during his tenure there, because

2579
02:15:14,440 --> 02:15:19,440
Speaker 2: what did Danny Hurley say? You know, sometimes it's about

2580
02:15:19,480 --> 02:15:22,120
Speaker 2: the Jimmies and Joe's as much as the x's and o's,

2581
02:15:22,200 --> 02:15:26,200
Speaker 2: and you gotta have resources, got to be able to

2582
02:15:27,120 --> 02:15:30,280
Speaker 2: get the pieces. And that's going to be one of

2583
02:15:30,280 --> 02:15:32,880
Speaker 2: the things that we shall see whether or not they're

2584
02:15:32,880 --> 02:15:35,040
Speaker 2: going to be able to do exactly that. Eddie tomorrow

2585
02:15:35,120 --> 02:15:38,480
Speaker 2: will be in Cincinnati for opening Day. Did you say

2586
02:15:38,480 --> 02:15:41,920
Speaker 2: we have John Eddie? Yep, Jay and b joining us

2587
02:15:41,960 --> 02:15:44,720
Speaker 2: from Joe's Grill, Joe's.

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02:15:44,440 --> 02:15:46,640
Speaker 1: Bar and Grill. John, you got a big one lined

2589
02:15:46,680 --> 02:15:47,880
Speaker 1: up today, right, Yep.

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02:15:48,040 --> 02:15:51,520
Speaker 15: I'm at Coaches Tavern Downtown and Joe's Grills tomorrow. Yeah,

2591
02:15:51,720 --> 02:15:53,880
Speaker 15: you're you got it. You're a day in front. That's

2592
02:15:53,920 --> 02:15:54,880
Speaker 15: all right, it's all good.

2593
02:15:54,920 --> 02:15:56,240
Speaker 3: I was thinking about Opening Day.

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02:15:56,800 --> 02:15:57,880
Speaker 5: No, no, no, it's all good.

2595
02:15:58,080 --> 02:16:01,000
Speaker 15: Coaches Tafford, Tommy Yes, has played on this Wednesday downtown

2596
02:16:01,080 --> 02:16:04,160
Speaker 15: because we have lakerspacers later on tonight. Hey, Jake, I

2597
02:16:04,160 --> 02:16:07,040
Speaker 15: didn't want to ask you this when somebody ask you,

2598
02:16:07,160 --> 02:16:10,280
Speaker 15: is this just like two point zero Laval Jordan?

2599
02:16:10,520 --> 02:16:11,720
Speaker 5: What if it's Brad Stevens?

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02:16:12,080 --> 02:16:12,320
Speaker 1: Right?

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02:16:12,640 --> 02:16:15,880
Speaker 15: Why can't it be Brad Stevens? I just think, I

2602
02:16:15,920 --> 02:16:20,080
Speaker 15: think that I hate to reference. That's a dumb ass comment.

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02:16:20,520 --> 02:16:21,920
Speaker 15: You don't know anything.

2604
02:16:21,600 --> 02:16:22,440
Speaker 5: Yet, do you?

2605
02:16:23,000 --> 02:16:26,160
Speaker 15: The only And people thought Brandon Miller might be Brad

2606
02:16:26,160 --> 02:16:30,760
Speaker 15: Stevens two point zero and he wasn't, So you got

2607
02:16:30,760 --> 02:16:33,440
Speaker 15: to trust who's making the higher anytime you have a

2608
02:16:33,480 --> 02:16:37,320
Speaker 15: former player that is getting his first opportunity as a

2609
02:16:37,360 --> 02:16:40,480
Speaker 15: head coach, I guess you automatically associated with the last

2610
02:16:40,560 --> 02:16:43,080
Speaker 15: former player, although it wasn't his first opportunity as a

2611
02:16:43,120 --> 02:16:46,160
Speaker 15: head coach, Laval Jordan, right, he'd been he had coached elsewhere.

2612
02:16:46,240 --> 02:16:48,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't disagree to be.

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02:16:48,600 --> 02:16:50,560
Speaker 15: By far the best on the list, Jake. That's the

2614
02:16:50,840 --> 02:16:53,200
Speaker 15: best on the list, the most logical. And you and

2615
02:16:53,280 --> 02:16:56,039
Speaker 15: I have talked about the Carolina list last night. There's

2616
02:16:56,080 --> 02:16:58,520
Speaker 15: not really anything I love Dusty.

2617
02:16:58,560 --> 02:17:01,400
Speaker 5: May you know that. But if I'm Dusty, may I

2618
02:17:01,400 --> 02:17:02,360
Speaker 5: stay on you in Arbor.

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02:17:03,000 --> 02:17:06,640
Speaker 15: There's not too much on that list that really peaks

2620
02:17:06,680 --> 02:17:08,000
Speaker 15: your trip in the light.

2621
02:17:08,200 --> 02:17:09,920
Speaker 5: Fantastic interest there, does it.

2622
02:17:10,000 --> 02:17:12,440
Speaker 2: When we were talking about North Carolina last night, John,

2623
02:17:13,160 --> 02:17:16,440
Speaker 2: and that conversation began with both you and I almost

2624
02:17:16,480 --> 02:17:19,160
Speaker 2: like stumping one another trying to think of who would

2625
02:17:19,200 --> 02:17:22,720
Speaker 2: be a Carolina affiliated guy, right, And then I got

2626
02:17:22,720 --> 02:17:26,240
Speaker 2: to thinking about it more and I thought, Okay, so

2627
02:17:27,160 --> 02:17:31,520
Speaker 2: the guys that would be the natural next in line,

2628
02:17:31,600 --> 02:17:35,280
Speaker 2: great coach, most of them, you would think yourself, but

2629
02:17:35,360 --> 02:17:37,360
Speaker 2: why would you give up where you are to go

2630
02:17:37,480 --> 02:17:40,000
Speaker 2: to the pressure cooker that is Carolina, especially in today's

2631
02:17:40,040 --> 02:17:42,920
Speaker 2: world when you have the turnover of roster. So then

2632
02:17:42,959 --> 02:17:45,520
Speaker 2: I wondered if they don't end up with kind of

2633
02:17:45,560 --> 02:17:48,000
Speaker 2: like a Steve Alford higher at ECLA, where it's like, yeah,

2634
02:17:48,000 --> 02:17:48,800
Speaker 2: he's fine.

2635
02:17:49,000 --> 02:17:51,320
Speaker 1: But you know that it was the sixth choice, you

2636
02:17:51,400 --> 02:17:52,440
Speaker 1: know what I mean? You know what I mean?

2637
02:17:53,760 --> 02:17:57,720
Speaker 15: Yeah, And listen, it's going to be tougher and tougher

2638
02:17:58,080 --> 02:18:00,320
Speaker 15: to want to come back from the NBA or want

2639
02:18:00,320 --> 02:18:04,560
Speaker 15: to get involved in what you're doing in college basketball

2640
02:18:04,640 --> 02:18:07,640
Speaker 15: unless that you're up and coming and you're young and

2641
02:18:07,680 --> 02:18:09,879
Speaker 15: you have all this injury to jack around with.

2642
02:18:09,959 --> 02:18:11,560
Speaker 5: All this stuff because not.

2643
02:18:11,560 --> 02:18:13,640
Speaker 15: A lot of these dudes any longer, as we've noticed,

2644
02:18:13,720 --> 02:18:17,160
Speaker 15: especially the older versions of these dudes, really want to

2645
02:18:17,200 --> 02:18:18,119
Speaker 15: jack with that anymore.

2646
02:18:18,200 --> 02:18:20,480
Speaker 2: Jake, who would you if you had a pick right now?

2647
02:18:20,480 --> 02:18:22,600
Speaker 2: You got to write a name and an envelope. Yeah,

2648
02:18:22,640 --> 02:18:24,040
Speaker 2: and if they end up there, you're going to get

2649
02:18:24,080 --> 02:18:26,320
Speaker 2: a million bucks. North Carolina coach Trudy Pick.

2650
02:18:28,520 --> 02:18:33,720
Speaker 15: Oh man, it's how about is Ryan Odom still on

2651
02:18:33,760 --> 02:18:34,720
Speaker 15: the list from Virginia?

2652
02:18:34,800 --> 02:18:36,480
Speaker 5: I know that's within conference, but.

2653
02:18:36,560 --> 02:18:38,720
Speaker 2: I kid you not, that's exactly who I was going

2654
02:18:38,800 --> 02:18:40,959
Speaker 2: to say. That's exactly who I was going to say.

2655
02:18:41,240 --> 02:18:43,039
Speaker 5: Well, I don't think it's going to be Josh Shirtz.

2656
02:18:43,200 --> 02:18:46,840
Speaker 15: I don't think Dusty would have any when you have interest,

2657
02:18:46,879 --> 02:18:48,680
Speaker 15: Hey great, I'm glad you have interest in me. But

2658
02:18:48,760 --> 02:18:51,880
Speaker 15: I think he's just fine in Michigan where he is.

2659
02:18:52,280 --> 02:18:56,359
Speaker 15: Jawad Williams, we talk about that. Who else Tommy Lloyd.

2660
02:18:57,280 --> 02:19:00,240
Speaker 15: Tommy Lloyd would make the most sense. But if I'm

2661
02:19:00,320 --> 02:19:02,760
Speaker 15: Tommy Lloyd, I got a good thing going. Much like

2662
02:19:02,800 --> 02:19:04,920
Speaker 15: I mentioned about Dusty and Michigan. You've got a good

2663
02:19:04,920 --> 02:19:07,760
Speaker 15: thing going in Arizona. Well, And so you go from

2664
02:19:07,920 --> 02:19:09,720
Speaker 15: from some place where you get a lot, not a

2665
02:19:09,720 --> 02:19:11,600
Speaker 15: lot going on to a place where you got everything

2666
02:19:11,640 --> 02:19:12,640
Speaker 15: going on around you.

2667
02:19:13,200 --> 02:19:15,280
Speaker 2: So I think that you know, listen, one of the

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02:19:15,320 --> 02:19:17,840
Speaker 2: best coaches in the country might be t. J Otselberger

2669
02:19:18,120 --> 02:19:21,600
Speaker 2: Iowa State, but he's he's rooted there, his wife's from there,

2670
02:19:22,360 --> 02:19:24,760
Speaker 2: not from there, but you know, went to school there,

2671
02:19:24,800 --> 02:19:27,040
Speaker 2: I think, or coach there. I mean, he's he wants

2672
02:19:27,080 --> 02:19:30,800
Speaker 2: to be there, which is half the challenge there, right McCollum,

2673
02:19:31,000 --> 02:19:32,199
Speaker 2: McCallum from Wood he leave.

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02:19:32,040 --> 02:19:38,280
Speaker 15: Iowa, No, I just I, I would say, and Odom

2675
02:19:38,360 --> 02:19:40,879
Speaker 15: has at least acc roots.

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02:19:40,920 --> 02:19:43,480
Speaker 5: Maybe that's one of the reasons why we lean that direction.

2677
02:19:43,200 --> 02:19:48,240
Speaker 15: Anyway, right, Yeah, that's because of you know, family and

2678
02:19:48,320 --> 02:19:49,119
Speaker 15: all that gets.

2679
02:19:50,560 --> 02:19:51,320
Speaker 1: From the area.

2680
02:19:51,440 --> 02:19:54,680
Speaker 2: Yeah right, all right, so the area coaches which is

2681
02:19:54,760 --> 02:19:55,880
Speaker 2: right across from Gambridge.

2682
02:19:55,879 --> 02:19:58,199
Speaker 1: Tonight's the Lake Show. What's on the Big program tonight?

2683
02:19:58,959 --> 02:20:01,680
Speaker 15: Chris Kramer from above Maker Guard five o'clock hour, sweet

2684
02:20:01,720 --> 02:20:04,720
Speaker 15: sixteen tomorrow in San Jose with Purduing Texas. We'll talk

2685
02:20:04,760 --> 02:20:08,200
Speaker 15: to Chris about that. Lance McCallister, the Big One over

2686
02:20:08,240 --> 02:20:12,920
Speaker 15: in Cincinnati opening day tomorrow and uh James sent it out.

2687
02:20:12,959 --> 02:20:14,840
Speaker 15: I forget what else is on here today, but something

2688
02:20:14,840 --> 02:20:16,599
Speaker 15: else is on here, so whatever.

2689
02:20:16,520 --> 02:20:18,120
Speaker 2: Well, and you also got to be at one of

2690
02:20:18,160 --> 02:20:20,119
Speaker 2: the forgot you're the Oh Kevin Bowen.

2691
02:20:20,160 --> 02:20:24,080
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Kevin Bowen. Kevin Bowen is on the show today.

2692
02:20:24,080 --> 02:20:24,920
Speaker 5: My fault, keV.

2693
02:20:25,200 --> 02:20:28,680
Speaker 15: I conveniently forgot about Kevin Bowen coming on this show.

2694
02:20:28,720 --> 02:20:31,320
Speaker 15: And Tommy Yes, my good friend Tommy Yes, is ready

2695
02:20:31,360 --> 02:20:33,960
Speaker 15: to rock with me right here. I'm already cutting through

2696
02:20:34,240 --> 02:20:36,199
Speaker 15: like a couple of beers, Jake, I'm gonna be primed

2697
02:20:36,200 --> 02:20:36,920
Speaker 15: by four o'clock.

2698
02:20:37,160 --> 02:20:37,320
Speaker 11: Brother.

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Speaker 5: Let me tell you.

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02:20:38,040 --> 02:20:39,640
Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with that. Yeah, Tommy's gone.

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02:20:39,840 --> 02:20:42,320
Speaker 5: There's not one damn thing wrong with it, none, zero

2702
02:20:42,400 --> 02:20:42,960
Speaker 5: wrong with it.

2703
02:20:43,040 --> 02:20:44,520
Speaker 2: All right, John will throw it out to you to

2704
02:20:44,520 --> 02:20:45,640
Speaker 2: take over here in just a minute.

2705
02:20:45,680 --> 02:20:46,240
Speaker 5: You got it, Bud?

2706
02:20:46,240 --> 02:20:48,760
Speaker 2: All right, Jay and b joining us on the program. So, Eddie,

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02:20:48,800 --> 02:20:50,560
Speaker 2: you were on your way to Cincinnati tomorrow. Do we

2708
02:20:50,560 --> 02:20:52,679
Speaker 2: know what's lined up on the big program tomorrow?

2709
02:20:52,959 --> 02:20:54,960
Speaker 4: Ball State's new head coach will join us tomorrow the

2710
02:20:55,000 --> 02:20:58,160
Speaker 4: program twelve forty five, maybe some Tony East action tomorrow, Jake,

2711
02:20:58,280 --> 02:21:01,160
Speaker 4: and we'll work on some other stuff as well, perdue

2712
02:21:01,200 --> 02:21:03,440
Speaker 4: Texas preview obviously with it being game day.

2713
02:21:04,440 --> 02:21:06,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna be a big one. And by the way,

2714
02:21:06,280 --> 02:21:10,800
Speaker 2: if you did not hear it earlier, I thought Elliott Bloom.

2715
02:21:10,800 --> 02:21:13,680
Speaker 2: Elliot Bloom's always really good. That's one of the better

2716
02:21:14,800 --> 02:21:18,320
Speaker 2: I just think, really good perspective, and especially I found

2717
02:21:18,360 --> 02:21:22,320
Speaker 2: it fascinating when he was talking about the challenges of

2718
02:21:22,360 --> 02:21:25,440
Speaker 2: the logistics and the travel and the distractions that come

2719
02:21:25,520 --> 02:21:28,840
Speaker 2: with the NCAA tournament and those things that they deal

2720
02:21:28,879 --> 02:21:30,920
Speaker 2: with and just how they deal with it, and a

2721
02:21:30,959 --> 02:21:33,160
Speaker 2: lot of different things that he had. That conversation will

2722
02:21:33,200 --> 02:21:35,959
Speaker 2: be up on the website at one oh seven five

2723
02:21:36,200 --> 02:21:40,160
Speaker 2: thefan dot com. Shannon had jury duty today. I don't

2724
02:21:40,160 --> 02:21:43,520
Speaker 2: know whether or not she has been picked for a jury.

2725
02:21:43,560 --> 02:21:45,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if she's been sequestered. I don't know

2726
02:21:46,000 --> 02:21:48,280
Speaker 2: if she's going to the game tonight. But I'll be

2727
02:21:48,360 --> 02:21:50,000
Speaker 2: at the Lakers game. I don't know if Shannon will

2728
02:21:50,000 --> 02:21:51,520
Speaker 2: be there with me or not. We'll find out whether

2729
02:21:51,600 --> 02:21:53,760
Speaker 2: or not she's doing her Do you want her clific

2730
02:21:53,879 --> 02:21:58,760
Speaker 2: duty party up on Autumn right, We'll be back with

2731
02:21:58,800 --> 02:22:01,160
Speaker 2: you noon tomorrow. Eddie will be in Cincinnati, I think,

2732
02:22:01,200 --> 02:22:03,360
Speaker 2: don't call me Attica spentchal BN and we'll talk to

2733
02:22:03,360 --> 02:22:03,680
Speaker 2: you then.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. To quiring company