1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Rolling along Thursday edition a quiring company. Here on the 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: fan again coming up, big show lined up for you. 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: We will talk a little Notre Dame Football Tom Noyd 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: joining us about thirty minutes from now, but joining me 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: now on the always busy and available again to be 6 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: sponsored guest line. Booger MacFarland is of course a football 7 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: analyst with ESPN, and I have always said, as a 8 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: matter of fact, when I have done interviews with them 9 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: in the past, I've always said I think was the 10 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: final piece towards getting the Colts a Super Bowl title, 11 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: because when he went in there on that defensive line, 12 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: everything changed. Everything changed when Booger McFarland became a cult. 13 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: But he joins us now to talk a little football, 14 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: including the Colts. I would assume, Booger, how are you 15 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: doing well? 16 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 2: Man? How are you doing? 17 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 3: Uh? 18 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: We are good. Look, it's a time of year where 19 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: like it's not hope springs eternal, I guess it's fall 20 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: springs eternal. But every team feels good about themselves at 21 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: this point, right, And we could talk with you both 22 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: professionally and collegiately, but let's begin with the NFL and 23 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: your old team, the Colts. Since we are in Indianapolis, 24 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: obviously Daniel Jones is the quarterback they're going with. My 25 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 1: first question for you would be this, in your time 26 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: in the league and just being around teams, when you 27 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: look at Anthony Richardson, who is still a young player 28 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: and a young player who theoretically has plenty of miles 29 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: ahead of him. But in going from being starter to 30 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: then being benched to back to a quarterback competition, and 31 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: then electing to go not with him but with Daniel Jones, 32 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: in your opinion, what does that do to a young 33 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: player and does that kind of stall or cease the 34 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: relationship with the franchise that originally brought him in and 35 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: it would be a change of scenery that's necessary. 36 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 4: Well, I mean that's a very nice question there, and 37 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 4: it would depend on a lot of factors. I think 38 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 4: everything depends on the individual, and let's just use it 39 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 4: specifically that Anthony Richardson. I don't know him, I just 40 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 4: look at him from the outside. He seems like a 41 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 4: very thoughtful guy. I think, you know, based on what's happened. 42 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 4: If he understands the facts, and that is that he 43 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 4: was a quarterback that came out of universe, Florida who 44 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 4: needed to play to get better, and he hasn't really 45 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 4: played a lot because he's been hurt and because of 46 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 4: those injuries, his development has been slowed, which has created 47 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 4: a little bit of impatience, which allowed Indy to bring 48 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 4: in another quarterback to create a competition. Because the coach 49 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 4: and the GM need to win, and especially now once 50 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 4: mister Ersa passed, I don't think anyone knows what the 51 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 4: daughters are going to do moving forward, So this new 52 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 4: regime has to win. And I think if you're Anthony, 53 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 4: you got to look at it like that. Like Shane's 54 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 4: in a position where he's got to win to keep 55 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 4: his job, and he's making the decision that's best for 56 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 4: the organization. 57 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 2: Not what's best for Anthony. 58 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 4: Anthony needs to play, he needs to go through growing pains, 59 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 4: he needs to stay healthy, but right now the head 60 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 4: coach doesn't have that affordability to do that. 61 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: So I think when you understand that, maybe. 62 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 4: If it will allow you not to have some harsh 63 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 4: feelings towards the head coach or the organization, and you 64 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 4: will just say, you know what, if I were in 65 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 4: shange position, what would I do? And so hopefully Anthony 66 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 4: looks at it that way. I don't know if he can, 67 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 4: but that's kind of how I read the situation in 68 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 4: Indy as of today. 69 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: You know, you raised an interesting point, and you know 70 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,119 Speaker 1: you obviously were part of this organization. Booger Burger McFarland 71 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: our guest in talking about the late Jim Mersey, who 72 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody dispute. You know, this was an 73 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: owner that was football through and through. He grew up 74 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: around it, from carrying towels to write in the checks 75 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: right and with that, and maybe when you were here 76 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: it was too nuanced to know this in totality, But 77 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: do you think that he was in fact, for example, 78 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: when Richardson first came in, do you think that he 79 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: was the kind of guy that made orders to his 80 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: general manager or that trusted his general manager to make 81 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: those decisions and was there for guidance if need be. 82 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: I don't think there's any doubt. 83 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 4: I think he was a who hired you and let 84 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 4: you do your job based on the fact that how 85 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 4: you know, if you look at the people that he's hired, 86 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 4: Chris Valor, Tony Dungee, Jim Calwell, those are people who 87 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 4: don't want to be micromanaged, and so I think that 88 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 4: knowing those people, knowing mister Ersay in the brief time 89 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 4: that I did spend with him, I don't think there's 90 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 4: any doubt he is the type of owner that's not 91 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 4: going to be like he's the anti Jerry Jones. 92 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 2: I'll just put it that way. 93 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: Right, you know. And with that, I think that there 94 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: was you know, it's interesting burger because there was a 95 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: report today and it can get slippery getting into the 96 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: nuances of it, of the fact that the last few 97 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: years of Jim Mersey's life, the addiction that he had 98 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: battled with had really gripped him and that that had 99 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: removed him from say, day to day type things. At 100 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: no point am I saying this as an indictment on 101 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: Jim Mersey as a character. But from a football standpoint, 102 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: if you had ambiguity, or if you have it right 103 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: now at the ownership standpoint, does that make it difficult 104 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: for those people to kind of know the direction or 105 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: the path that they are expected to follow other than 106 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: simply winning games. But in terms of timeline that you 107 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: talked about, does it complicate things of not knowing exactly 108 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: how firm your footing. 109 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 4: Is Yeah, I think you can complicate things, but you 110 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 4: know what uncomplicated man, it's just communications. Like I think 111 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 4: we're in a day and time now where we don't 112 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 4: we shouldn't be guessing like there's too much money, there's 113 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 4: too many people's livelihood to stake. You know, to me 114 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 4: that this is a conversation that should be. 115 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 2: Had, you know, the. 116 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 4: Daughters and whoever's in charge, you know, once ownership has 117 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 4: been kind of taken over. To me, that's the conversation, 118 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 4: especially before the season. It's one thing if we were 119 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 4: in season, but the fact that this happened before the season, 120 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 4: and I don't think that or should I say, I 121 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 4: don't doubt that this hasn't happened. I'm just saying what 122 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 4: I would have liked to happen is that they should 123 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 4: have had a conversation with the general manager and the 124 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 4: head coach. Here are our expectations, here's what we expect, 125 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 4: and just half open dialogue. Too many times we try 126 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 4: to guess what someone is thinking. We're all adults here, 127 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 4: we're all grown people. We have families. Let's just have 128 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 4: open communication and we can agree to disagree, but at 129 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 4: least nobody is blindsided bout how we think. So I 130 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 4: hope the girls talk to Chris. I hope that Chris 131 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 4: I talk to Shane. If Shane wasn't in the meeting, 132 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 4: that way everybody understands where we are, because I would 133 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 4: hate for our people to lose their jobs. And this 134 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 4: is not just Shane losing this job. If Shane gets fired, 135 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 4: different entire staff. So there's thirty five forty people that 136 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 4: are going to lose their job. And so before we 137 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 4: go down that path, let's have open dialogue. If they say, 138 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 4: you know what, we like where we are, We're not 139 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 4: going to make any rash judgments or rush judgments. Then 140 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 4: maybe maybe you bring back Anthony at some point and 141 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 4: give him an opportunity to grow and get better. 142 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 2: I don't know. 143 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 4: I just know that we're in a time where there's 144 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:57,239 Speaker 4: no need to guess, like it shouldn't happen. And maybe 145 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 4: the girls say, you know what, we didn't hire Shane, 146 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 4: we didn't hire Chris. We're gonna go get our own 147 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 4: head coach in GM. Maybe that's the case and the 148 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 4: conversation isn't needed. 149 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: I don't know. 150 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 4: I just know that there shouldn't be any surprise is 151 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 4: when you're dealing with adults, grown people, and when we're 152 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 4: dealing with a multi billion dollar business, communication should be 153 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 4: at the forefront. 154 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: How would you assess the Colts roster aside from that? 155 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: You know, obviously quarterback be as you know Boger mc farlane, 156 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: quarterback is the most important position in sports, right NFL quarterback. 157 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: So the Colts are going with the guy that you know, 158 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: I think they're kind of hoping does have that Alex Smith, 159 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: Sam Darnold Baker mayfield change of scenery, trajectory change. But 160 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: aside from the quarterback, the overall roster for the Colts, 161 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: you see it or assess it. 162 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 2: How I think the roster is very talented. 163 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 4: I think most people would say that the reason the 164 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 4: Colts haven't achieved what most people think they should is 165 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 4: because the quarterback has been holding them back. Henceforth, while 166 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 4: we have quarterback competition and why people are down on 167 00:07:55,560 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson, if the Colts had let's just call it 168 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 4: average quarterback play, you know, average quarterback play, when the 169 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 4: guy innt turned the football over quarterback was able to 170 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 4: distribute the ball to the playmakers, they got talent on 171 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 4: that team. The offensive line is pretty good, like They've 172 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 4: paid a lot of those guys on the offensive line. Defensively, 173 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 4: they got talent, they got some young guys in the secondary. 174 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 4: So if Daniel Jones plays average, like top fifteen regular, 175 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 4: let's just say he's somewhere between fifteen and eighteen as 176 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 4: far as QBR how he plays, I wouldn't be surprised 177 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 4: if the coach get ten or eleven wins because the 178 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 4: roster around him is that good. 179 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: The league itself obviously has been designed and this is 180 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: why people love it. Booker, Right, the league is set 181 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: up for parity, and by that I mean that by structure, 182 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: you shouldn't be down for multiple, multiple, multiple seasons, and 183 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: you see teams kind of come out of nowhere every year. 184 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: When you look right now, if the combination of scheduling 185 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 1: as well as just roster in general or players growing 186 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: into their own, give me a team in the NFL 187 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: that you look at and you say, you know what, 188 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: it's not gonna surprise me if by like November or 189 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: December they are this year's say like Minnesota from a 190 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: year ago or whatever it may be, where you're like, 191 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: these guys are better than I thought that people thought 192 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: they were going to. 193 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 4: Be well, when you throw in Minnesota, now you bring 194 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 4: in fourteen to fifteen wins. So I'm not gonna say that, 195 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 4: but here's where I'll here's how i'll preface it. I'll 196 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 4: just use the last part of your statement. A team 197 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 4: that's going to be better than we think Chicago. I 198 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 4: think Ben Johnson is a really good coach. I think 199 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 4: he'll he'll understand how to get the best out of 200 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 4: Caleb Williams, whatever that is. I think they'll be pretty good. 201 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 4: I think everybody's darling is Denver. I think Denver is 202 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 4: going to be better than a lot of people think 203 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 4: they are. And people already think they're going to be 204 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 4: pretty good. 205 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 5: You know. 206 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 4: I think as you as you go around, I think 207 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 4: Gino with the Raiders. 208 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,079 Speaker 1: They can go the Raiders intrigue me. 209 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, Gino is a professional quarterback. And here's what I mean, 210 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 4: Like he understands how to play the position. He understands 211 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 4: what not to do is go great, Nah, But Geno 212 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 4: can be you know, somewhere between twelve and fifteen and 213 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 4: QBR Like that's you know, I mean, that's. 214 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 2: Gonna be really good. 215 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 4: With how they play the football, they can run it 216 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 4: with Ashton Jency. I think it's a certain style. Pete 217 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 4: Carroll understands how to win, so I think those will 218 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 4: be two teams. I would look at Chicago in the 219 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 4: NFC and then Las Vegas. 220 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 2: In the AFC. 221 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: Do you see football differently now than you did as 222 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: a player. 223 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 4: Well, I think you have to, just because it's so 224 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 4: much more money now involved in the game than when 225 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 4: I played. The game has gotten younger, meaning you know, 226 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 4: I was a guy who was a twenty nine thirty 227 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 4: year old guy on the team. You know, nowadays most 228 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 4: guys on the team are twenty five, twenty six years old. 229 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 4: For the league as the gotten younger, and the league 230 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 4: is less physical, and so yeah, football has changed, man. 231 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 4: I mean some of the blocking scheme things that you 232 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 4: can't do anymore. You can't blindside anybody, you can't hit 233 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 4: the receiver above the waist, the backside lineman can't cut anymore. 234 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 4: So the game has gotten a little softer. It's still 235 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 4: a great game, It's just. 236 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 2: Different than the game that we played, you know. 237 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 4: You know, when I get amongst guys who I play with, 238 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 4: some of the safety say they couldn't play now because 239 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 4: they couldn't hit anybody. Some of the offensive linemen say 240 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 4: they couldn't play because they didn't cut anybody. 241 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 2: So the game has just changed. It doesn't mean it's worse. 242 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 4: It's just that because of the safety and because of 243 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 4: some of the factors, they've cleaned the game up a 244 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 4: little bit. So guys like me when they get to 245 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 4: be forty five fifty years old may not have some 246 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 4: of the injuries that our predecessors had. 247 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: I want to discuss real quick college football with you, 248 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 1: Booker McFarland before let you go. Of course, football analysts 249 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: for ESPN. I'm a diehard Clemson fan. It's going to 250 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: be a big one on Saturday, but probably nobody in Indianapolis 251 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: other than the two of us right now care about 252 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: Clemson and LSU. But I'm curious of your thoughts in general, 253 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: just on the college football landscape, and with that, I 254 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: mean the playoff. Are you a proponent of expand the 255 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: playoffs in terms of the number of teams in Do 256 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: you like the way they have it right now? Where 257 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: do you see kind of the landscape going with all 258 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 1: of this? 259 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 2: There was some intrigue. I liked it at four. 260 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 4: Once they went to twelve, I was excited because you 261 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 4: got a chance to see some of the playoff games 262 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 4: on home campuses. I think they're going to add a 263 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 4: couple more. I am not going past sixteen, Like I'm 264 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 4: not in favor of going past sixteen. I think eventually 265 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 4: the round number at sixteen is probably where we're going 266 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 4: to go. It just makes sense, Like twelve with buys 267 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 4: and all that, it kind of gets clunky. I think 268 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 4: they's subtle on sixteen. It's kind of uniform when it 269 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 4: comes to the NCAA Tournament because of a bracket of 270 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 4: sixteen already in the in the basketball tournament. And so 271 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,719 Speaker 4: I think eventually, whether that's next year, they got to 272 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 4: have an answer by December first for this year or 273 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 4: whatever that is. I think eventually we're gonna settle on sixteen. 274 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: Well, the good news if it's sixteen is that still 275 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: gets LSU a chance after they lose to Clemson on Saturday. 276 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 4: Right, whoever loses, was it Ohio State, Texas, LSU, Clemson 277 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 4: noted in Miami. 278 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 2: Everybody is still in the correct. No, you're right. 279 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: Come Sunday morning, you're right about that because you got 280 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: to you know, you gotta rattle it off after that. 281 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 1: But you are correct, Booger. I appreciate the time as 282 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: always and always enjoy seeing you on ESPN and great insights. 283 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: Look forward to talking to you perhaps again over the 284 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: course of the season, but will certainly be watching as 285 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: well always anytime. Thank you, Sir Booker McFarlane. Joining us 286 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: on the guest line here doesn't seem like long ago, 287 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: although I guess it was that the college football playoff 288 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: last year had Indiana notre name. We talked plenty of 289 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: about it. Tom Noy, tom Noyd became really, to be 290 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: honest with you, we should probably have him on the 291 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: payroll because he essentially became our South Bend correspondent when 292 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 1: it comes to the Irish South Bend Tribune. And now 293 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: joining us on the program, Tom, your worst nightmares recurring. 294 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: We're calling you again. 295 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 3: I go to that mailbox every single day thinking I'm 296 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 3: going to get some sort of check from you guys, 297 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 3: and it comes up empty. And now I decide just 298 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 3: to come back for another year. 299 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: Listen, join the club. I don't know if you know this, 300 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: we actually are volunteers here at the radio station. Nice 301 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: let's begin with this, and that is I thought, you 302 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: know a year ago. It goes without saying the year 303 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: that Notre Dame had and just how good they were. 304 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: And I really like Marcus Freeman, and I like Marcus 305 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: Freeman because of his kind of tactical approach, And it 306 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: seemed to me like Notre Dame was a team last 307 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: year that just didn't make a lot of mistakes. And 308 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: that was one of the things, you know, when you 309 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: have a young coach of trying to kind of feel 310 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: out what it is that makes them a good coach. 311 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: How will if in any way, shape or form, be 312 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: it approach or personnel, how will Notre Dame look different 313 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: now than what we last you know, when we last 314 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: saw them. 315 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 3: From a personnel standpoint, it's hard to believe, but this 316 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 3: team might be better than what it was last season. 317 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 3: Like you, you look out in the very little that 318 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 3: we were able to see on the practice field, and 319 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 3: Tive got dudes just everywhere, And it used to only 320 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 3: be certain ones, like a handful. Now it's this guy, 321 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 3: that guy. He's a sophomore, he's a freshman, he's a 322 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 3: red shirt junior. So the personnel and the depth and 323 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:43,479 Speaker 3: the talent and the athleticism is almost across the board 324 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 3: better than what it was in twenty twenty four, and 325 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 3: I still think for as much as they did last 326 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 3: season and winning thirteen in a row and going fourteen 327 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 3: and two and going to the College Football National Championship Game, 328 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 3: I still think this offense, we have no idea to 329 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 3: see of what they can do under offensive court enator 330 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 3: Mike Denbrock, because they were playing so much from behind 331 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 3: last year. With Riley Leonard coming in as a new quarterback. 332 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 3: He missed all the spring because of his injury. He 333 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 3: really just got going in at the start of camp 334 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 3: in August and we just started to see what they 335 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 3: could be when everything ended. So I think offensively, I 336 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 3: don't know if it's going to be the old three 337 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 3: yards in a cloud of dust. Let's run the ball, 338 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 3: Let's win with defense like it has been for so 339 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 3: many years up here. 340 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, the quarterback, let's begin, you know with in talking 341 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: about offensively speaking Tom, just a quarterback position, because anytime 342 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: that you are replacing a guy that is you know, 343 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: you have an open competition. We've talked plenty about that 344 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: with football in these parts. What was it about? I 345 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: believe Carr is the one that ultimately they go with there, 346 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: So what do you believe he brings to the table 347 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: or that Marcus Freeman utilized as the reason to tab him. 348 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 3: He can make all the throws and make him well, 349 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 3: like he'll fit some of his throws into the tightest 350 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 3: windows that have no business being there, but he gets 351 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 3: it there. And it's a dynamic from the quarterback position 352 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 3: that frankly, this program hasn't had. Where he's big, he's strong, 353 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 3: he's athletic, he can move the ball down the field, 354 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 3: and they can move it at a different pace than 355 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 3: what they did with Riley Leonard. Like, yeah, Riley Leonard 356 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 3: was the quarterback last year. Yes, Riley Leonard won fourteen 357 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 3: games and got him to the National Championship Game. But 358 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 3: if a play broke down, or if Riley Leonard wasn't 359 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 3: sure about a certain call, guess what, he's talking it 360 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 3: and he's running it. Whereas CJ. Carr is going to 361 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 3: be like, if I don't have this guy, I'm gonna 362 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 3: look here, and if I look here and I don't 363 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 3: like it, I'm going to look there. I'm gonna move 364 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 3: the ball down the field, and I feel like I 365 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 3: can make every throw. And I just think at the 366 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 3: end of the day, when it came down to the CJ. 367 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 3: Carr and Kenny Minchee. They like the upside and the 368 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 3: potential of what CJ. Carr can be and who he 369 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 3: can be. Maybe not right off the bat, but maybe 370 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 3: two three weeks down the line, we'll see a different CJ. 371 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 3: Car than what we're going to see on Sunday night. 372 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,959 Speaker 1: You know what's funny, Tom, And we don't know this. 373 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing about college football every year 374 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: is we really don't know. We can go with reputation 375 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: of teams, but we don't know necessarily how good that 376 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: team is going to be one year to the next. 377 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: But if you look at Notre Dame schedule, I mean 378 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: obviously starting in Miami against Miami in hard Rock Stadium, 379 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: you know that's a challenge. And then you come home 380 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: and play Texas A and M. And I always believe 381 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: that Texas A and M. There is no bigger like 382 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: preseason muscle team that usually fades than Texas A and M. 383 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: But nonetheless, those are two big games to start. I 384 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: look at that, and then I think they have two 385 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: really tricky games from September endo October, and that's Arkansas 386 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: and Boise State because in NC State also my point 387 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: being long winded here, I've been one that has always 388 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: kind of knocked on Notre Dame for their schedule. Well, 389 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: I don't think you can say that. This year. Their 390 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: schedule to me seems as daunting as any they've had 391 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: in quite some time. 392 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 3: You agree or disagree, it could be tricky tough because 393 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 3: when you get into this business, and we've seen it 394 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 3: so many times up here with this program, when you 395 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 3: get into the business of counting wins, guess what happens 396 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 3: Marshall Stanford Louisville at a bad Clemson team when Clemson 397 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 3: was there to be beaten but couldn't get couldn't be 398 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 3: beaten last year against Northern Illinois. So it's everybody looks 399 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 3: at everybody looks at Miami and Texas A and m 400 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 3: there's a week off in between there that helps Notre 401 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 3: name two. But they look at those two games and say, boy, 402 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 3: if they can get to two and oh, they're going 403 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,479 Speaker 3: to twelve and oh. But with this schedule, something's always 404 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 3: going to happen, whether it's the first ever trip to 405 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 3: Fayetteville to play Arkansas at eleven o'clock in the morning, 406 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 3: whether it's Boise State coming in here, maybe USC gets 407 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 3: back to be in USC and then you've got the 408 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 3: trip to Pittsburgh that might be tricky in October. So 409 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 3: it looks manageable. But one thing we know about's still 410 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 3: ran football team. As you cover it, it's never as manageable 411 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 3: as you think it's going to be when everything starts. 412 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, man, in C State, in C State 413 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 1: this year, Tom So I'm a Clemson fan, right, and 414 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: I know people get tired of me mentioning that, but 415 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 1: in C State is one of those programs. They're kind 416 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: of like Iowa in the Big Ten. Every three or 417 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: four years they get a senior laden team that you go, whoa, 418 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 1: wait a minute, and they're really good and then they 419 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: kind of go back into just you know, obscurity for 420 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: a couple of years and they hibernate, so to speak. 421 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: But they're tricky. I have no idea if NC State's 422 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: going to be good this year. The fact that's it 423 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 1: Notre Dame probably helps, but and I think you could 424 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: say the same for Boise State for both of those games, right, 425 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: and then Southern maybe that's do you believe in trap games? 426 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: Because then you got Southern Cal on the eighteenth, So 427 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: you got those two games, and Southern Cal is Southern 428 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: Cal and it's a rivalry game. Do you believe in 429 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: quote unquote trap games of young players looking too far 430 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: down the road? 431 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 3: No, every game is some other team super Bowl. Like 432 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 3: everybody's pointing to Miami and everybody gets everybody from Miami 433 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 3: is going to get up to play Notre Dame. And 434 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 3: then you got Texas A and M coming in because 435 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 3: they're going to be up because they got to be 436 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 3: at home last year by Texas A and M. Boise State. 437 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 3: You can go right on down the line. Every game 438 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 3: is a trap game for this program because just when 439 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 3: you think you can relax and kind of catch your 440 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 3: breath a little bit, that's where a team that nobody 441 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 3: sees coming is going to step up and play the 442 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 3: game of their lives, like in Northern Illinois, like a 443 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 3: Marshall and beat a Notre Dame team where everybody says, yeah, 444 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 3: they're going to win that game. 445 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: Tom Noy is our guest talking about Notre Dame, the 446 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 1: Irish of course getting underway at Miami. Tom Marcus Freeman, 447 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 1: I want to go back to this when when you 448 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 1: have a situation where a guy kind of in unforeseen circumstances, 449 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: ascends to the head coaching position, and then kind of 450 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: before our eyes, grows into that role. Just in terms 451 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: of approach, if you will, have you seen him change 452 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,959 Speaker 1: at all from the day that he was announced and 453 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: hired in terms of his maturity, in terms of maybe 454 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 1: not that he was immature, but you know what I mean, 455 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: maybe how guarded he was, et cetera. Is there or 456 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: has he been the same guy the whole time? 457 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 3: He is so much more comfortable in his own skin, 458 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 3: in who he is and maybe more importantly, what he 459 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 3: represents as the head coach of the University of Notre 460 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 3: Dame football program. Like the first year, maybe the first 461 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 3: year and a half, he was really guarded. He never 462 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 3: strayed from the script. He never wanted to smile. It 463 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 3: was always business, especially in the press conference settings, where 464 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 3: he didn't want to let his guard down. He wanted 465 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 3: to just stick to the script and stick to the 466 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 3: answer that everybody believed he should give. And in recent years, 467 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 3: the last couple of years, he's kind of gotten away 468 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 3: from that, and it's so refreshing because you see that 469 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 3: he's human and he's got another side to him, and 470 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 3: it's just something where he's much more likable than the 471 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 3: last guy that was here, who yeah, he won a lot, 472 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 3: but he didn't really have that great of a sense 473 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 3: of humor. He didn't want to stray from the script, 474 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 3: and when he tried to do something humorous, he was 475 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 3: so serious nine percent of the time that nobody around 476 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 3: the program got it. So it's like, you don't root 477 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 3: for Marcus Freeman, but you really like him as a person, because, 478 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 3: let's face it, you walk into this job with no 479 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 3: head coaching experience. This job could could eat him alive 480 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 3: within it two years, three years to the point where 481 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 3: he's like, you know what, we don't know if he's 482 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 3: the guy and he's done the complete opposite to where 483 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 3: people look at Marcus Freeman and say, boy, he might 484 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 3: coach it notrerame for the next ten years. 485 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: I mean he definitely like with right away, he just 486 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: seemed like a dude that I don't know, seemed like 487 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: in control. And again, Tom, I'll say it again. The 488 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: thing the most to me, the most unlikable thing about 489 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: Marcus Freeman is how likable he is exactly you. 490 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 3: Know what I mean serious seriously, because of some of 491 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 3: the people that we've dealt with here, like I go 492 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 3: all the way back to Lou Holtz, so you rattle 493 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 3: it off. Lou Holt's Bob Davey, Charlie Weiss, Brian Kelly, 494 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 3: Tyrone Willingham. Not the most warm and fuzzy guys and 495 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 3: not the guys that you feel like, like the one reason, 496 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 3: the one reason why Mike Bray was so beloved as 497 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 3: the men's basketball coach. Is anybody that that that that 498 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 3: that came into contact in a relationship or whatever with 499 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 3: Mike Bray. They said, you know what, he's a good dude, 500 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 3: because he sounds like he's he seems like one of 501 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 3: those guys you just want to go out and have 502 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 3: a beer with, right, And Marcus Freeman is kind of 503 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 3: the same way, where where okay, it's it's it's he's 504 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 3: the head coach and we're the media and we know 505 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 3: where we stand and he knows where he stands. But 506 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 3: if there's something about him where you're just like, you 507 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 3: know what, winnna lose, it doesn't really matter. 508 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 6: I kind of like that guy. 509 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: This might be speaking a little too deep in the 510 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: weeds in terms of ra and in terms of lineups, 511 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: but I am curious because there are two guys, not one, 512 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: but two that are young players at Notre Dame that 513 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: have come out of Indianapolis High schools that came in 514 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: with some praise. Cam Heron on the offensive line out 515 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: of Warren and then Mark Zachary the fourth out of 516 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: Ben Davis, who's a corner. But they're young players and 517 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: Notre Dame is obviously an elite program. Either one of 518 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: those guys get significant reps this year or is that 519 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 1: not really the mo for Notre Dame at those positions. 520 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 3: For cam Heron, probably tough because he's along the offensive line, 521 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 3: and this offensive line is so deep and so talented 522 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 3: and so versatile to where maybe three or four five 523 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 3: years ago, where they didn't have so many interchangeable parts, 524 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 3: a guy like cam Heron walks in off the street 525 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 3: of Indianapolis and can maybe find his way into the 526 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 3: lineup if there's an injury. But they're so interchangeable now 527 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 3: where Joe Rudolph is like, all right, if we lose 528 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 3: the left guard, we're going to do this, and then 529 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 3: if we lose the right guard or the right tackle, we're. 530 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 6: Going to do this. 531 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 3: Cam Herron's got a chance later on donald line it's 532 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 3: just he doesn't need to to kind of push his 533 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 3: way into the rotation. And it's totally different on the 534 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 3: other side of the ball with Mark Zachary. We got 535 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 3: the depth chart, the first official depth chart released by 536 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 3: Notre Dame on Tuesday, and there's Mark Zachary as a 537 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 3: number two backup cornerback. And one thing that gives you 538 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 3: that would give Mark Zachary fans hope is a year ago, 539 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 3: at this time, nobody had any idea of a certain 540 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 3: cornerback who was a true freshman who had no business playing, 541 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 3: who had no business even thinking of seeing the field. 542 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 3: And by the end of the year, he was a 543 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 3: freshman All American and that was Leonard Moore. And now 544 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 3: he's a sophomore and he's on everybody's All American list. 545 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 3: So Mark Zachary and Dallas Golden, two true freshman corners, 546 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,239 Speaker 3: are both backups at the corner spot. And you never know, 547 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 3: like we never saw Leonard Moore coming, he wasn't gonna play. 548 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 3: All of a sudden, Benjamin Morrison goes down with a 549 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 3: even ending hip injury. Leonard Moore's got to start, you 550 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 3: know what. Leonard Moore's pretty good. They love what Mark 551 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 3: Zachary might be able to give them one day down the. 552 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: Line, Tom, when you look at Notre Dame and you know, 553 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 1: this conversation that I'm about to bring up has really 554 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: kind of ceased. Tom Noy is our guest here. There 555 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: was so much talk and it almost seemed like a 556 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: FATA complete at one point that Notre Dame would join 557 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: the Big Ten. And I think that that FATA complee 558 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: was from people outside of Notre Dame that just thought 559 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: like inevitably Notre Dame was going to have to with 560 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: conference realignment get on board. They're obviously still playing that 561 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: acc schedule and they have maintained their quote unquote independence. 562 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: Did they weather that storm or is this a conversation 563 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: that is going to, like you know, every three years, resurface. 564 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 3: It'll resurface from everybody on the outside. But I can 565 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 3: tell you Pepavakua is very confident that even as far 566 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 3: out as passed two thousand and thirty, maybe twenty thirty three, 567 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 3: that they can remain independent. And they wanted to remain 568 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 3: independent with three factors, college football playoff access, they have 569 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 3: that homes for their men's and women's basketball programs, and 570 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 3: their rest of their Olympic sports. They have that in 571 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 3: the ACC, in the Big Ten with hockey and their 572 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 3: television deal, and they're wrapped up past two thousand and 573 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 3: thirty I think thirty two with NBC. So with all 574 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 3: the shuffling and all the pieces being moved around the 575 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 3: college football board that have happened and have happened in 576 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 3: the last what four or five six years, everybody looks 577 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 3: at Notreames so yep, that's it. They're done and they 578 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 3: have to join the Conference Notre Dame. With each passing 579 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 3: year twenty four, twenty five, now into twenty six, they 580 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 3: look at where college athletics is and they feel so 581 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 3: strongly that their position cannot be any better as a 582 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 3: football independent now than maybe what it was four or 583 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 3: five years ago. 584 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: By the way, doesn't twenty thirty sound like it's like 585 00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: fifty years from now? 586 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 2: A minute? 587 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: This is concerning right, Like there are kids entering right 588 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: now that are like seniors in high school. They the 589 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: class of twenty thirty for college. You're like, wait, what 590 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: hold on? You know with that? When you talk about 591 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: the playoff, Tom, it's interesting to me because, for example, 592 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: if you look at the Irish's schedule, and we just 593 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: talked about it. I mean, you open up with Miami 594 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: and then you know you got Texas A and M 595 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: Would you rather do you think you have? If you 596 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: were the football gods, would you rather a team if 597 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: you had to pick one? Are you better if you 598 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: start out zero to two and then you run the table? 599 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: Are you in a better situation than if you are 600 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: ten or eleven and zh and suffer your first loss 601 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: midway through December or not December, but I guess late November, 602 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, right before the committee has 603 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: to select. It is my feeling that recency bias comes 604 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: into play when looking at those things. Your thoughts. 605 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 3: It's better, and we saw it last year. It's better. 606 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 3: If you're going to lose, you better lose early. Because 607 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 3: I'll speak from experience and cover Notre Dame. Last year. 608 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 3: Notre Dame was so far off that college football map 609 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 3: after that Northern Illinois game where it was you almost 610 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 3: you almost have to People would almost have to be 611 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 3: fined around South Bend if you talked anything about the 612 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 3: college football playoff after September fourth, because they nobody everybody 613 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 3: was like, you know what, that's so far away. We 614 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 3: can't worry about that. And it was great because nobody 615 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 3: paid any attention to Notre Dame. Everybody wrote Notre Dame 616 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 3: offense said, there's no way they're going to run the 617 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 3: table and get to a college football playoff game. After 618 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 3: losing a freak in Northern Illinois, Notre Dame just went 619 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 3: back to work and just kept winning and kept winning 620 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 3: and kept winning, and other teams as the season got later, 621 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 3: they kept losing, and this team lost and that team lost. 622 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 3: They were able to sneak up on everybody, Whereas I 623 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 3: think if they had run the table, if they had 624 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 3: maybe run the table and then gone out to USC 625 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 3: and lost at USC, then the drum beat would be, well, 626 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 3: they don't deserve it. You got to get an SEC 627 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 3: team in there now. 628 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean, it is fascinating right just that 629 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: that overall, I mean the Northern Illinois game, I keep 630 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: forgetting about that. I remember when that happened, thinking it's 631 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: they're out right, they're out. 632 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 3: It was over, and I wrote it. I said, don't 633 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 3: even bother thinking about the collegeotball playoff. That's that's so 634 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 3: far away. 635 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 2: Might as well be on Mars. 636 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: At that point, you wrote that Tom, Yeah, I mean, 637 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: I'll give you I guess it's it's forever right there 638 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: in print. 639 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 2: Right. 640 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: You can't escape it now that you wrote it, don't 641 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? You just said forget about it. 642 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 2: But you know I did say forget about it. Absolutely 643 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 2: I did. Yeah, I wrote that. 644 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: Listen. Okay, last question, Tom, This one you are I'm 645 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: going to allow you, Tom Noyd, to be the judge 646 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: and jury on this. Okay, this is a very important question. 647 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: Please handle the answer with responsibility, with you know, responsibility, 648 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: not like you did at that Northern Illinois game where 649 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: you were off. Okay, this is the age old debate 650 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. I need you Tom Noys South in Tribune 651 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: to tell me whether I'm right or wrong or you know, 652 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: just your thoughts on this. I won't tell you which way. 653 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: A Leen, when we in Indianapolis talk about college football 654 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: and we talk about Indiana Purdue or basketball, and we 655 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: talk about Indiana Purdue, and then in basketball wise we 656 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: mix in Butler football wise here, you know, we'll mix 657 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: in ball state. We're gonna talk to their coach coming 658 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: up here in just a couple of minutes. Is Notre 659 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: Dame a local team? For the Indianapolis sports market. 660 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 7: No, absolutely not. 661 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 3: And I'll go back to I'll dust off the old 662 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 3: crossroads classic down at Banker's Life slash gain Bridge slash 663 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 3: whatever the name of that place is. When it's Butler 664 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 3: and Notre Dame and IU and Purdue and the fans 665 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 3: support in downtown Indianapolis. When Notre Dame would play either Butler, 666 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 3: we would either play Indiana or Purdue ran like maybe 667 00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 3: a distance sixth. There were Butler fans, IU fans, there 668 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 3: were Purdue fans, there were Pacers fans, they were Cincinnati 669 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,479 Speaker 3: Reds fans. There were no Notre Dame fans ever in 670 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,479 Speaker 3: Banker's Life field House Gamebridge Fieldhouse to make that a 671 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 3: worthwhile three hour bus ride down US thirty one for 672 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 3: Notre Dame. So it's almost like it's almost like Indianapolis proper, 673 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 3: West Lafayette, Bloomington and then everybody else for the rest 674 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 3: of the state. Oh, by the way, maybe we'll we'll 675 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 3: think of Notre Dame if they go to a college 676 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 3: football playoff or go to the national championship game. But no, 677 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 3: I don't think Notre Dame is quote local to the 678 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 3: Indianapolis market whatsoever. 679 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: When you travel to cover Notre Dame and maybe you know, 680 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: obviously outside of the Midwest, like if you're in Vegas 681 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: or you're in La or whatever, it may be. Right, 682 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: what state do you think most people immediately associate with 683 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: Notre Dame? 684 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 3: Illinois? 685 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: I think that might be right, Yeah, I mean Michigan. 686 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 3: Well well, I mean everybody's like, well Notre Dame. Yeah, 687 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 3: that's in the Midwest. But what state is it in? 688 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? 689 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: It is fascinating to me. The reason I say it, Tom, 690 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: is because a lot of people give us grief, and 691 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,760 Speaker 1: probably rightly. So when I mentioned, you know, Indiana teams 692 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: like to start out the football season and I say Indiana, Purdue, 693 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 1: you know, ball State, whatever, and people like, what about 694 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 1: Notre Dame. And I'm like, I get it. But Notre 695 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: Dame is its own entity, Like it's a national brand, 696 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 1: and clearly its theological connection is the epicenter of that 697 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: because it is the most prestigious Catholic university in America. Right, 698 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,760 Speaker 1: so it is a national brand. I just don't think 699 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: that people think Notre Dame of Indiana, you know what 700 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: I mean? 701 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,800 Speaker 3: College basketball writers every year select their all district teams. 702 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 3: There's seldom a time where there's one or even two 703 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,280 Speaker 3: or three Notre Dame men's basketball players. Even when Jaron 704 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 3: Grant was a NA National All American in twenty fifteen, 705 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 3: it was a struggle to get him on an all 706 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 3: district team. And all district teams for the Batchlorid Association 707 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 3: are done by state because people forget Notre Dame is 708 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 3: in Indiana because they play in the ACC or before 709 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,879 Speaker 3: that they played in the Big East. So there would 710 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 3: be deserving guys that would be left off those teams, 711 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,919 Speaker 3: and you'd have like the fourth or fifth guy from 712 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,760 Speaker 3: Indiana or Purdue or Michigan State make those teams because 713 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 3: people forget about Notre Dame and being in Indiana. 714 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 1: You've successfully backed me up on this. Tom listen our 715 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: radio brotherhood and fist bump continues. I absolutely love it. 716 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: I'll leave you with this trivia question. What Notre Dame 717 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 1: basketball player is the one that forced Bob Knight to 718 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: go to his own for the first time. 719 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 3: You remember, I've covered Notre Dame men's basketball for twenty 720 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 3: seven years. That's maybe a little before mine. 721 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: It is before your time. You are correct. 722 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 3: The called digger on my way one way. 723 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: Out the door here David Rivers baby Vid Rivers Night 724 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: went to the zone very briefly against Notre Dame because 725 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 1: of David Rivers. Tom, appreciate the time. As always, it 726 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 1: is the Irish. It is Miami of Florida. That game 727 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 1: on the thirty first, which, if my math is correct, 728 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: says that that is Saturday. But appreciate the time. It 729 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 1: is always, Tom. 730 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 3: What's Monday night, Brother, Sunday night, Sunday night. 731 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 1: So see my math is wrong. I should know. Here's 732 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: the thing, Tom, I'm going to leave you with this 733 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: fun fact. I've told Eddie this. This is incredible. Are 734 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: you ready for the most amazing fun fact of all time? 735 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 6: Tom? 736 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,439 Speaker 1: I keep saying that we're almost done here, but listen 737 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: to this true story. I've had four serious, like adult 738 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: relationships in my life in terms of romantically speaking. Okay, 739 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: the first, the first serious girlfriend, I had her birthday 740 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,399 Speaker 1: August twenty sixth. When we broke up. About a year later, 741 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: I started dating a girl her birthday is August twenty seventh. 742 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: The next girl after that that I dated's birthday is 743 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,959 Speaker 1: August twenty eighth, and the girl that I'm currently dating, 744 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: who I have very happily for twenty years now. Her 745 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: birthday is tomorrow, which is the twenty ninth. You are 746 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: one weird dude. That is the weirdest thing ever, is 747 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 1: it not. I mean, we would flunk a lot of 748 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: math classes on the mathematical possibility of that. But what 749 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 1: I'm getting at is for that reason, I get completely 750 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 1: confused at the end of August as to what day 751 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: anything is right. But I know that her birthday is tomorrow. 752 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 1: Tom appreciate it, man, You got my man had a 753 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: great mind. Tom Noy from the South Bend Tribune. Yes, 754 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: I can already hear in his car call her. What's happened? 755 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,839 Speaker 1: In Todd getting fired up for chirp, chirp the Ball 756 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: State Fighting Football Cardinals, Jake coach, you is about to 757 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: shock the state within Ball State Cardinals over Purdue, the 758 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: first win on an undefeated season in Monthsie Todd says, 759 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: just stick around, coach, when you dominate the college football 760 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 1: world in Muncie and grow things at Ball State. That's 761 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,959 Speaker 1: exactly what I think people are hoping for. One step 762 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: at a time though, for mikey Rimovich and the ball 763 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: State Football Cardinals and the first year coach for Ball 764 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: State joining us now return guests to the program. Coach, 765 00:37:58,640 --> 00:37:59,879 Speaker 1: how are you good? 766 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 7: Great to be on? Good to talk to you again. 767 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 1: Let's begin with this, you know, this challenge for you 768 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 1: guys with Purdue. I'm going to get to but I 769 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: want to know this whenever you get and you are 770 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: not a new figure in terms of head coach. You 771 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,319 Speaker 1: have been in that situation before, but you are new 772 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: to ball State. And I'm curious when you have that 773 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: period and you go through camp and you get set 774 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: for the season, is that more about the roster learning 775 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,280 Speaker 1: their coach or the coach learning his roster. 776 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 5: I think it's a little both now because with the 777 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 5: transfer portal, you know, we had a bunch of new 778 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,799 Speaker 5: guys that went through our offseason program with US in 779 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,760 Speaker 5: January and through springball, but we added eighteen new players 780 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,879 Speaker 5: after spring ball was over, you know, So you're trying 781 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 5: to learn those guys and see what they're good at 782 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 5: and what they need obviously to continue to improve on, 783 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 5: and they're trying to learn you as a as a 784 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 5: coach and our staff. 785 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 7: So I think it's both ways. 786 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: Honestly, You've got a quarterback in Kyle Kelly that you 787 00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: know is an upperclassman, but does not have et did 788 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: experience under center. What was it about the quarterback that 789 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: led you to go that way? And what sort of 790 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,320 Speaker 1: offense do we expect to see. 791 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 7: He's really dynamic man. 792 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 5: He can run, he can throw the football, he makes 793 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 5: really good decisions, and just throughout my career and as 794 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,839 Speaker 5: an offensive coordinator head coach, we've always wanted a dual 795 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 5: threat guy there. 796 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 7: I just think it's a lot. 797 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 5: Harder to play defense when they got to play against 798 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 5: eleven instead of you know, ten and the guy that 799 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 5: can't really run around very. 800 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 7: Much and make plays for his seat. 801 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 5: So he fits everything we want athletically, and he's a 802 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,239 Speaker 5: really really good leader. And you said it, he's been 803 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 5: around here a while. I mean, he knows ball state 804 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 5: better than I do. He's been here a lot longer 805 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 5: than I have. So it's some fun to watch him 806 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 5: grow our offense and you know, learn it in spring ball, 807 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 5: but didn't have all summer to kind of really get grips. 808 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 5: That's what we're asking him to do. And he's had 809 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:50,959 Speaker 5: a really good training camp. 810 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:56,360 Speaker 1: When you look at coach the reality of college football 811 00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, transfer portal and I all of 812 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 1: those things right, and in particular in the MAC. The 813 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 1: reality is that a lot of times, if you get 814 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,560 Speaker 1: a guy that's an upperclassman, you know they're going to 815 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,840 Speaker 1: go in il, you know, seeking elsewhere. Sure, and I 816 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 1: know that you're new to the league itself, but I 817 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 1: am curious, does a coach in twenty twenty five, because 818 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: of the roster rollover or lack of rollover, does a 819 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 1: coach need to be more versatile than he did ten 820 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,399 Speaker 1: or fifteen years ago and have flexibility of system that 821 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: or scheme that he didn't have to have ten or 822 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:36,839 Speaker 1: fifteen years ago. 823 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 7: You definitely, We've always tried to have that. 824 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,759 Speaker 5: Yeah, we have our offense that we want to run, 825 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 5: but you know, one year you might have a great 826 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 5: tight end, so you're going to feature that guy a 827 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 5: little more and maybe next year you're not as good there, 828 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 5: but you're better at wide receiver. But you definitely have 829 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 5: to have that. We are recruiting to our systems, but 830 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 5: like you said, you might have a guy that fits 831 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 5: your system really well and he decides after his name 832 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 5: first MAC to go into portal. So you know, we 833 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 5: talk with our staff and a lot about all right, 834 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,280 Speaker 5: this is our team for this year they're here, now, 835 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 5: let's coach them all. We're going to go and then 836 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 5: try to after the year. Seniors are going to leave. Unfortunately, 837 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 5: some guys are going the portal, and then you go 838 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 5: and recruit in that portal window, and then that is 839 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 5: your team for the next year. I mean, there's two 840 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 5: things we're trying to do. We're trying to get a 841 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 5: bunch of really good high school players in here that 842 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,759 Speaker 5: we can develop, knowing that you might lose them at 843 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,799 Speaker 5: some point, but hopefully they're playing so well for you 844 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,799 Speaker 5: that someone does maybe try to take them. And then 845 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,360 Speaker 5: you're also going to have to dress your needs in 846 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,880 Speaker 5: the portal. So it's really year by year, and that's 847 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 5: college football right now. 848 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 1: You obviously are beginning with a familiar foe familiar for you, 849 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 1: I mean, and that is Purdue. You will be playing 850 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 1: at ross Aid coming up on Saturday at noon ball 851 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:55,360 Speaker 1: State and Purdue. You anticipate to see what out of Purdue, 852 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 1: and you anticipate to see what in terms of what 853 00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:59,760 Speaker 1: you're hoping to see from your guys. 854 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,720 Speaker 5: Well, I hope from us you see a discipline, physical 855 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,839 Speaker 5: football team and that has fun playing football that you're 856 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,239 Speaker 5: going to be able to tell by the way we 857 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,879 Speaker 5: play that the guys enjoy playing together and for each other, 858 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,000 Speaker 5: and that we're not going to beat ourselves and we're 859 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 5: going to be physical and every element of the game. 860 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,799 Speaker 5: As far as Purdue goes, I feel like we have 861 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 5: a better idea about what they'll do defensively because they're 862 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,759 Speaker 5: head coach and defensive coordinator were together at UNLV, so 863 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,280 Speaker 5: they're going to be coming in and running the same systems. 864 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:28,760 Speaker 7: Offensively, it's a little different. 865 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,880 Speaker 5: They have a play caller that came from USC, but 866 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,799 Speaker 5: he wasn't calling the plays there and the last time 867 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 5: he called plays was four or five years ago at Missouri. 868 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 7: So we've had to watch USC film. 869 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,920 Speaker 5: We'd have to watch Missouri film, and a bunch of 870 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 5: other spots that the assistant coaches on that side of 871 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 5: the ball have came from. 872 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,359 Speaker 7: So in the first quarter for us. 873 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,719 Speaker 5: Defensively, we're going to have to figure out, Okay, this 874 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 5: is what they're going to do on offense. 875 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: How much of you know when you're going through you 876 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 1: know spring ball and everything else, and you have an 877 00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 1: opener with Purdue and then you go to Auburn, which 878 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,359 Speaker 1: is obviously going to be a challenge going down there 879 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 1: in a big time environment. How much or when do 880 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:09,880 Speaker 1: you kind of shift from focusing on you to focusing 881 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: on opponent. 882 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,879 Speaker 5: Now, as a staff, we spend time on our first 883 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,400 Speaker 5: four games in the summer getting ready for our opponents, 884 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,959 Speaker 5: but as soon as training camp starts, all we worry 885 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,920 Speaker 5: about is developing our players and to fit the systems 886 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 5: that we have and installing our offense and defense. Because 887 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,759 Speaker 5: there's things you got to put in camp that we 888 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 5: might not use till week five, but you need to 889 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,839 Speaker 5: have practiced it. But about ten days ago is when 890 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,440 Speaker 5: we started Purdue. We treated it like a bye week, 891 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,760 Speaker 5: and about ten days ago we started working with scout teams. 892 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,880 Speaker 5: We had the speakers blaring behind the hunt with the 893 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 5: produced fight song and the crowd noise to get ready 894 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,120 Speaker 5: for that. And it's been you know, it's about about 895 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:47,440 Speaker 5: ten day prep for this game. 896 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to make a statement, coach, and I want 897 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,960 Speaker 1: you to tell me if you agree or disagree. Okay, yep. 898 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,799 Speaker 1: We know about the Power fives, We know about how 899 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 1: much talent there is at the SEC or the Big 900 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,719 Speaker 1: ten level, you know, probably throughout the leagues. But in 901 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:11,320 Speaker 1: terms of parody and evaluating rosters from top of league 902 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 1: to you know, bottom of league, if we want to 903 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,719 Speaker 1: use that term. I think the MAC has as much 904 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,000 Speaker 1: competitive balance as any league in college football. 905 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 5: Your thoughts, you're one hundred percent right, and that's why 906 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 5: I love coaching and coaching the MAC at Northern Illinois. 907 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,680 Speaker 7: And it is from top to bottom. 908 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 5: When you look at what the staff pool is to 909 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,520 Speaker 5: pay your coaches, what the scholarship budget is, with the 910 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 5: operational budget in the MAC, from top to bottom. 911 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 7: It's pretty dang close. 912 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 5: I'm not going to say the school names because we 913 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:44,920 Speaker 5: all know who they are, but you look at the 914 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,320 Speaker 5: Big Ten and you look at the top three schools 915 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,480 Speaker 5: what they're spending, and you compare that to the bottom 916 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:50,760 Speaker 5: three schools what they're spending. 917 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:52,960 Speaker 7: It's like two different conferences. 918 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,040 Speaker 5: And that's why I love the MAC because you have 919 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 5: a shot as a coach to compete and outwork and 920 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,880 Speaker 5: out recruit and out develop your players. Where you know, 921 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 5: there's some schools in the country that are in leagues 922 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 5: that their institutions aren't supporting them to the level that 923 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,560 Speaker 5: the top top teams in that league are, and it's 924 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:11,400 Speaker 5: a big difference. 925 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,319 Speaker 1: Mike you Riverenvich is our guest. He is the first 926 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,600 Speaker 1: year head coach of the ball State Cardinals. Of course, 927 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,440 Speaker 1: coached at Butler, coached at Saint Francis of Illinois, been 928 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 1: in a little bit of everywhere northern Illinois as well. 929 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,279 Speaker 1: Predominantly you have stayed throughout the Midwest, but you spend 930 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,000 Speaker 1: some time at NC State and Temple. Do you as 931 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,560 Speaker 1: a coach kind of take a little bit of what 932 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,520 Speaker 1: you see from all of those other places and then 933 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,200 Speaker 1: kind of turn it into, if you will, like this 934 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,720 Speaker 1: potpourri of stuff you've learned along the way of different 935 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,440 Speaker 1: things that work in different leagues. 936 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,920 Speaker 5: For sure, I offensively I've learned and I continue to 937 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,239 Speaker 5: learn and as a coaching and continue to learn as 938 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 5: a head coach. I think there's two things that I'm 939 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,400 Speaker 5: always I've been fortuned to work for some very good 940 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,239 Speaker 5: head coaches and learned a lot of things and a 941 00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 5: lot of things that I still do right now. And 942 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,000 Speaker 5: also saw a few things, hey man, I would never 943 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,680 Speaker 5: do it that way, you know, So you're always trying 944 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,520 Speaker 5: to learn. But I do think when you get to 945 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,920 Speaker 5: a school, you have your base principles that you believe 946 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,759 Speaker 5: in and how you're going to do stuff. But in 947 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,160 Speaker 5: terms of recruiting and how you're running your program. It 948 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,960 Speaker 5: has to be a little bit geared towards what that 949 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,160 Speaker 5: institution has to offer and how they're supporting you, because 950 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,759 Speaker 5: you know how you're going to recruit and develop and 951 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,160 Speaker 5: coach at ball states different than NC State, it's going 952 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,000 Speaker 5: to be different than Temple, it's going to be different 953 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,759 Speaker 5: than Butler. So you do have to fit it to 954 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,120 Speaker 5: the institution. But there's certain core things that are always 955 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:32,680 Speaker 5: going to be there. 956 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,319 Speaker 1: Tell me the team in your coaching tenure coach as 957 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,319 Speaker 1: a head coach, the team, the season that you look 958 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,200 Speaker 1: back on, and the group. And there's a reason I'm 959 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,319 Speaker 1: asking this. The group you were most proud of was 960 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:45,520 Speaker 1: what year? What school? 961 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,200 Speaker 5: You're going to laugh, But my second year at the 962 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,560 Speaker 5: University of Saint Francis as a head coach who took 963 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,200 Speaker 5: over a program that wasn't very good, and my first 964 00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,000 Speaker 5: year we lost our last eight games, and my second 965 00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,520 Speaker 5: year we lost our first eight. So we had lost 966 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,880 Speaker 5: sixteen games in a row. And that's before the portal. 967 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,160 Speaker 5: So we had a bunch of freshmen and sophomores playing 968 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,160 Speaker 5: for us, and those guys kept playing and playing and 969 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:10,880 Speaker 5: playing and we won a couple of games late in 970 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,719 Speaker 5: the year, and that built us with some confidence and 971 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,759 Speaker 5: they saw some reward for their work. And then two 972 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,680 Speaker 5: years later we ended up going seven and four with 973 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,400 Speaker 5: those group of seniors. And for those guys to continue 974 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,960 Speaker 5: to prepare losing week after week after week, that's hard. 975 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,040 Speaker 5: And I've been proud of every team I've coached, but 976 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,280 Speaker 5: that group right there set the foundation for the success 977 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,200 Speaker 5: we had at Saint Francis, and it was tough. 978 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,960 Speaker 1: Now here's the thing. I don't laugh, and I'll tell 979 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,160 Speaker 1: you why I asked it, because one of the things 980 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,360 Speaker 1: that I've noticed about coaches, and in particular good and 981 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:48,560 Speaker 1: great coaches, is that oftentimes they find success in foundation 982 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,520 Speaker 1: in places the rest of us don't. And they look 983 00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,360 Speaker 1: at it and they say, the easy answer here is 984 00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:55,839 Speaker 1: going to be in twenty eleven when I was ten 985 00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,759 Speaker 1: and three, or the easy answer is going to be 986 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,400 Speaker 1: in twenty four Butler when I was nine and three. 987 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:05,600 Speaker 1: But oftentimes success is found deeper within the stuff that 988 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,719 Speaker 1: we don't see and that we don't grasp. 989 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,160 Speaker 2: And you're right, you know what I mean. 990 00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,440 Speaker 1: And we won game, and there's a lesson in all 991 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:14,000 Speaker 1: that isn't. 992 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,400 Speaker 5: There, yes, And that's why we all got into this, 993 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,560 Speaker 5: was to teach kids how to learn life skills to 994 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,440 Speaker 5: be able to go attack the rest of their life. 995 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,000 Speaker 5: And yeah, I want to win, man, and win is important. 996 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,359 Speaker 5: And if you don't win it as a coach, are 997 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,919 Speaker 5: going to fire you. We all understand that. But we're 998 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,520 Speaker 5: trying to develop these gigs for something bigger than football, 999 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,480 Speaker 5: you know. And we've won games and I've been not 1000 00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,520 Speaker 5: very happy on Sunday when I watched that film because 1001 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,160 Speaker 5: we didn't play to our ability level. 1002 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:38,080 Speaker 7: And we've lost games. 1003 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,880 Speaker 5: And I've came in on Sunday and been proud as 1004 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,239 Speaker 5: heck of our group because we played to the best 1005 00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,000 Speaker 5: of our ability. We didn't beat ourselves. We lost to 1006 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,399 Speaker 5: somebody better. That's going to happen. Sometimes. 1007 00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,719 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it, man, it makes me. 1008 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,480 Speaker 1: It makes me right there. That just that part of 1009 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,239 Speaker 1: it is what it's all about, coach. And we're going 1010 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,920 Speaker 1: to see it on display in rass it against Purdue 1011 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,800 Speaker 1: for the Ball State Cardinals that is this Saturday at noon. 1012 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,879 Speaker 1: The first chance to see them in Monsey takes place 1013 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,680 Speaker 1: on September thirteenth against New Hampshire. That is a two 1014 00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,560 Speaker 1: o'clock start that game on ESPN plus, but two of 1015 00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,640 Speaker 1: them on the road to open up Purdue and Auburn. 1016 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,160 Speaker 1: Coach look forward to talking to you again. Certainly, wish 1017 00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,279 Speaker 1: you the best of luck and we'll be watching on 1018 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:17,680 Speaker 1: Saturday against the Boilers. 1019 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:18,759 Speaker 7: I appreciate it. 1020 00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,600 Speaker 1: Thank you very much, all right, Mike you Rimoviitch, the 1021 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,200 Speaker 1: head coach of the ball State Cardinals. Good stuff there, 1022 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,840 Speaker 1: love it. Yes, joining us now on the always busy 1023 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,360 Speaker 1: as evidence today and available for your company to sponsor 1024 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,200 Speaker 1: guest line. Matt Taylor is the voice of the Indianapolis Colts. 1025 00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,520 Speaker 1: Joins us. Matt. Let's begin with the roster itself and 1026 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,920 Speaker 1: the you know, not just kind of the sum of 1027 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,440 Speaker 1: the changes they had to make on the roster but 1028 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,000 Speaker 1: also those that went onto the practice squad that maybe 1029 00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,440 Speaker 1: at some point will get elevated over the course of 1030 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,360 Speaker 1: the season. Was there anybody either that did make the 1031 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,399 Speaker 1: roster or that didn't make the roster that jumped out 1032 00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:57,279 Speaker 1: or surprised you. 1033 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:03,200 Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a good question. No, which might be a 1034 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:03,920 Speaker 8: little bit of a. 1035 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:08,239 Speaker 6: Hot take, because you know, I thought receiver was pretty chalk. 1036 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,239 Speaker 8: You know, the six guys that we thought would make 1037 00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:14,440 Speaker 8: the team going into training camp made the team. You know, 1038 00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,800 Speaker 8: same thing on the defense too, Like there wasn't a 1039 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:22,080 Speaker 8: whole lot of guys that made it that I thought 1040 00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:27,360 Speaker 8: wouldn't and vice versa. Maybe the closest one just because 1041 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:31,239 Speaker 8: of like your thoughts going into training camp versus you 1042 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:36,319 Speaker 8: know what transpired during July and August in the preseason. 1043 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:37,839 Speaker 6: How about a name, like. 1044 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:43,120 Speaker 8: The defensive tackle for the Colts, Johnson, you know, he 1045 00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,600 Speaker 8: was with the Colts. He got drafted in twenty twenty 1046 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,600 Speaker 8: two and then was plucked away, got picked up by 1047 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,120 Speaker 8: New England, and then Eric Johnathan comes back with the 1048 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,520 Speaker 8: Colts and you're thinking, okay, well, you know, how is 1049 00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,520 Speaker 8: this gonna go? You know, where does he fit in 1050 00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:00,360 Speaker 8: and what's the depths behind? The defensive tackles are just 1051 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,840 Speaker 8: absolute studs for the Colts and Grover Stewart and DeForest Buckner, 1052 00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,040 Speaker 8: you know, the Colts bringing Neville Gallimore. They drafted a 1053 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,240 Speaker 8: you know, a player at that position in the draft 1054 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:11,120 Speaker 8: on Day three. 1055 00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,040 Speaker 6: But it's a big one because it's. 1056 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,840 Speaker 8: You know, Ten Smith from Alabama. So you know the 1057 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,960 Speaker 8: fact that that he was kind of outside the picture 1058 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,359 Speaker 8: the begin training camp, but then once camp started, I mean, 1059 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,560 Speaker 8: he looks like a fishing water inside this Louian Remo defense, 1060 00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,799 Speaker 8: and then he's bawling out in the preseason. He's the 1061 00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,759 Speaker 8: Colts leading tackler in the preseason, so he just had 1062 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,200 Speaker 8: a really nice camp and based on the evidence, it 1063 00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,040 Speaker 8: was just really hard to keep him off the roster. 1064 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:42,680 Speaker 8: So they pick him and Tim Smith initially, and then 1065 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,600 Speaker 8: because they're kind of stan at linebacker, they off of 1066 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,800 Speaker 8: waivers pick up Chad Mooma to give him some depth 1067 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,719 Speaker 8: and linebacker and to play special teams. And then it 1068 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,800 Speaker 8: was kind of a numbers game, you know, keeping six 1069 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,200 Speaker 8: six defensive tackles is kind of definitely a luxury, so 1070 00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,960 Speaker 8: they decide to pick up or keep Eric Johnson and 1071 00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,160 Speaker 8: waved Tim Smith. So kind of a cool story in 1072 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,440 Speaker 8: that regard. But no, I think to answer your question, 1073 00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,440 Speaker 8: it's it was pretty much the roster I thought it 1074 00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:13,200 Speaker 8: was going to be, especially after that second preseason game 1075 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,200 Speaker 8: against the Green Bay Packers. It went pretty much how 1076 00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:16,839 Speaker 8: I thought it would. 1077 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,360 Speaker 1: You know, when when a team decides to run against 1078 00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,080 Speaker 1: the Colts, or for that matter, I guess from a 1079 00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,040 Speaker 1: passing standpoint, I mean sacks. But but if there's a 1080 00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,520 Speaker 1: tackle made in the interior for the Colts. The odds 1081 00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,080 Speaker 1: are pretty high, Matt Taylor. And you tell me if 1082 00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,640 Speaker 1: I'm wrong here, But you might have as the play 1083 00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,319 Speaker 1: by play voice of the Colts, there might be the 1084 00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,759 Speaker 1: biggest collection of tricky names for you to call, right, 1085 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:38,359 Speaker 1: is that right? 1086 00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,839 Speaker 8: It's it's definitely getting more and more difficult. I mean 1087 00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,920 Speaker 8: the Colts have their fair share of tricky names. I 1088 00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,440 Speaker 8: mean at A Tamawata Barre and J. T. 1089 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:51,520 Speaker 6: Tuamolowau. 1090 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,239 Speaker 8: You know in the past, Uh, you know Bobby o'caraka 1091 00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:58,560 Speaker 8: trying to think who else? 1092 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,719 Speaker 6: You know, Quitty's pre standard, but he's got you know. 1093 00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,800 Speaker 1: The well Dio just became Dio for that purpose. 1094 00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,640 Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, that's cool, Dio dang bo yep, good, good 1095 00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,920 Speaker 8: recall there. But you know, we played the Ravens in 1096 00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,439 Speaker 8: week two of the preseason or week one, I should say. 1097 00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,040 Speaker 8: And they've got some doozies too. And I think you 1098 00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,000 Speaker 8: and I have talked about this. 1099 00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:24,160 Speaker 6: Before, like the game has just become more and more international, 1100 00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,120 Speaker 6: and it's for sure, right it is. But you know 1101 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:29,800 Speaker 6: you got to be on your p's and q's. 1102 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:34,000 Speaker 8: I mean that that phonetics pronunciation chart, uh is definitely 1103 00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,360 Speaker 8: part of your your weekly preparation. And you know, my 1104 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:41,000 Speaker 8: my move is to print out the depth chart. And 1105 00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,279 Speaker 8: most of the time, I mean people don't care about this, 1106 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,719 Speaker 8: but most of the time the in a in a 1107 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,360 Speaker 8: press release, the team's press release, the the depth chart 1108 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,200 Speaker 8: is on a different page than the pronunciation guide. And 1109 00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,879 Speaker 8: so what I'll physically do is like I will arts 1110 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,120 Speaker 8: and crafts it, I'll cut it out, I'll print it 1111 00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,760 Speaker 8: out the pronunciation guy, and I will slap it, tape 1112 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,719 Speaker 8: it onto the depth chart and put it in like 1113 00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,600 Speaker 8: a little lamited of covering, and I'll have that all 1114 00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,839 Speaker 8: week long. So wherever I go, I've got the depth 1115 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,120 Speaker 8: chart plus the pronunciation guide on it too, so that 1116 00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,680 Speaker 8: when I'm memorizing names and numbers, I'm also at the 1117 00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:19,880 Speaker 8: same time memorizing pronunciation. Because the game has become so 1118 00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,640 Speaker 8: much more global and international, and it seems like every 1119 00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,680 Speaker 8: year it just grows exponentially in Areka. 1120 00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:29,839 Speaker 1: Matt, have you ever thought about listen, I can't imagine 1121 00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,239 Speaker 1: there's a guy for Indy car when we're on the 1122 00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,279 Speaker 1: West Coast. One of the guys that we used that 1123 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,000 Speaker 1: helps out with us on West Coast races is Dan Rusanowski, 1124 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,359 Speaker 1: who was the voice of the San Jose Sharks. Can 1125 00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,719 Speaker 1: you imagine doing hockey play by play? I mean, not 1126 00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,840 Speaker 1: only would it be a challenge in following the puck, 1127 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,759 Speaker 1: but some of those names, good lord man. 1128 00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,160 Speaker 8: And you got to go with You gotta go with 1129 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,840 Speaker 8: nicknames too at some time, just because you got to 1130 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,319 Speaker 8: get the syllables and the pronunciations out quicker to keep 1131 00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,000 Speaker 8: up with the action on the on the ice. 1132 00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,760 Speaker 6: And it's kind of the same way with football. 1133 00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:04,000 Speaker 8: So, uh, you don't hear that as much in football, 1134 00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,359 Speaker 8: just because I don't know, I'm not. 1135 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:08,479 Speaker 6: A big nickname guy. 1136 00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,239 Speaker 8: So like, you really do have to, especially if they 1137 00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:12,759 Speaker 8: play for the other team, Like you're not going to 1138 00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,759 Speaker 8: know right what they call, you know, a backup linebacker 1139 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,000 Speaker 8: that makes a play on special teams, that has an 1140 00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:21,120 Speaker 8: international name about them, So you really do have to 1141 00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,239 Speaker 8: focus in on the phonetics. And I don't bat a 1142 00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,760 Speaker 8: thousand in that regard, but I try my best because 1143 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,440 Speaker 8: that's that's your job. You owe it to these guys to, 1144 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,120 Speaker 8: you know, say their name right because of all the 1145 00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:34,880 Speaker 8: time and the work and what they put in to 1146 00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:35,800 Speaker 8: make it to the NFL. 1147 00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,880 Speaker 1: Matt, I think we talk so much about the quarterback. 1148 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,160 Speaker 1: Matt Taylor is our guest here, the voice of the Colts. 1149 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:47,279 Speaker 1: We talk, we've talked so much about the quarterback that 1150 00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,960 Speaker 1: I think at times we and I'm not saying you, 1151 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,840 Speaker 1: but we've neglected to really look and take a deep 1152 00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,520 Speaker 1: dive at some of the other positions for the Colts. 1153 00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:02,000 Speaker 1: Which position and I don't even mean necessarily that you're 1154 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,400 Speaker 1: saying it's the most top heavy in terms of talent, 1155 00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,479 Speaker 1: but which position room for the Colts do you think 1156 00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:12,399 Speaker 1: has the most interchangeable depth where if you go three four, 1157 00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,080 Speaker 1: five deep, you're not dropping a whole lot off from 1158 00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:16,799 Speaker 1: where you were at the starter. 1159 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:18,919 Speaker 2: Good one. 1160 00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,800 Speaker 8: I still think you're really strong and deep at wide receiver, 1161 00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,120 Speaker 8: and Shane talked about this the other day, that you've 1162 00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:33,239 Speaker 8: got really good depth at the different types of receivers 1163 00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:37,280 Speaker 8: that you need to have to be successful on offense. 1164 00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:38,160 Speaker 6: You know what I mean. 1165 00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:42,640 Speaker 8: You got the big, tall, power forward types, and you 1166 00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,040 Speaker 8: know Michael Pittman Junior, and maybe to a lesser degree. 1167 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:46,640 Speaker 6: At Ni Mitchell. 1168 00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,080 Speaker 8: You've got the smaller types and Josh Downs and then 1169 00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,600 Speaker 8: you've got coleman Owen on the practice squad too, who 1170 00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,400 Speaker 8: by the way if I could just go on a 1171 00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,239 Speaker 8: tangent Coleman Owen just kicked total butt during the preseason. 1172 00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,640 Speaker 8: I was so happy be to see him sticking around 1173 00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:03,600 Speaker 8: because I think he's got a bright future. He just 1174 00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,760 Speaker 8: has the it factor about him coming out of Ohio 1175 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,760 Speaker 8: as an undrafted free agent, and then got Anthony Gould 1176 00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:16,240 Speaker 8: In that regard to Alec Pierce is a bigger body receiver. 1177 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,400 Speaker 6: But he's got speed, he's got the ball skills. 1178 00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,400 Speaker 8: So I think they're really really set and deep there 1179 00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,360 Speaker 8: at wide receiver. And you talked about interchangeable parts. That's 1180 00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,000 Speaker 8: kind of what I'm going for in terms of, you know, 1181 00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,480 Speaker 8: guys body types and skill sets. They can do a 1182 00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:34,120 Speaker 8: lot of different things. And then I still think cornerback 1183 00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:38,360 Speaker 8: two in the secondary. You know, going into training camp, 1184 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,320 Speaker 8: we thought they'd keep six and it would be a 1185 00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:45,880 Speaker 8: strength of the team. And even though it's different personnel, 1186 00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,240 Speaker 8: they still keep six and it's still a strength of 1187 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,240 Speaker 8: the team, even though the names are a little bit 1188 00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,160 Speaker 8: different than than we thought they would be like a 1189 00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,640 Speaker 8: month ago. And I think the Colts aren't missing around there, 1190 00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:02,520 Speaker 8: like they understand completely that under lou An Arumo, in 1191 00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:06,160 Speaker 8: order to have success on defense in that style of scheme. 1192 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:11,600 Speaker 8: They got to have playmakers and experience, high football IQ 1193 00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,480 Speaker 8: guys and savvy players in the back end. Otherwise it 1194 00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,200 Speaker 8: just probably won't work. 1195 00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:17,440 Speaker 6: Right. 1196 00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,680 Speaker 8: So when Jalen Jones and Juju Brinz are banged up 1197 00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,400 Speaker 8: for like three weeks during training camp and you need depth, 1198 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,600 Speaker 8: and then Justin Wally goes out for the season, they 1199 00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:30,120 Speaker 8: don't bring in just another undrafted rookie free agent from 1200 00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,600 Speaker 8: you know, Texas Tech. I don't want to downplay anybody 1201 00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,200 Speaker 8: like that, but you get what I'm saying. They go 1202 00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,840 Speaker 8: bold and they bring in Xavian Howard, you know, like 1203 00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,240 Speaker 8: somebody that they're really familiar with that lou An Arumo 1204 00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,960 Speaker 8: knows really well and then has succeeded in this style 1205 00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,520 Speaker 8: of defense. Four time Pro bowler, ballhawk and I know, 1206 00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,000 Speaker 8: interception leader, all those things. Like they're not messing around. 1207 00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,120 Speaker 8: So it just tells me that they have completely kind 1208 00:58:56,120 --> 00:59:00,760 Speaker 8: of shifted the type of cornerback that they want now 1209 00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:05,040 Speaker 8: on defense. It was kind of longer, big body times 1210 00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,640 Speaker 8: and now with lou he wants to shift to your 1211 00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,720 Speaker 8: guys and just a focus on speed. You've got to 1212 00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,680 Speaker 8: have speed, and the bottom line, is you have to 1213 00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,040 Speaker 8: get your hands on the football in this defense. Otherwise 1214 00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:17,680 Speaker 8: I just don't think it's going to work. They have 1215 00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,959 Speaker 8: to have playmakers that get their hands on the ball 1216 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,120 Speaker 8: with passive defense, interceptions. 1217 00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,959 Speaker 6: Takeaways, and I mean you look at. 1218 00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,480 Speaker 8: The names on this defense now in the secondary, Ward 1219 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,640 Speaker 8: Howard by Them, Kenny Moore, Like, those four guys have 1220 00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,640 Speaker 8: combined for like over three hundred and forty starts, over 1221 00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,960 Speaker 8: two hundred and fifty passive defense to almost seventy career interceptions. Like, 1222 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:46,040 Speaker 8: they've got a really experienced secondary on paper. So now 1223 00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:47,720 Speaker 8: you just got to go out and play and hopefully 1224 00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:52,200 Speaker 8: that it translates into big impact affecting you know, the 1225 00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,400 Speaker 8: other team's quarterback, which they didn't do collectively on defense 1226 00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:56,960 Speaker 8: as much as they needed to last year. 1227 00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:58,520 Speaker 1: You know, Matt, One of the things I like about 1228 00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,280 Speaker 1: this roster is more than your fair shore of mullets. 1229 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,840 Speaker 1: I think a football team needs mullets, right. 1230 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,520 Speaker 8: Tyler Warren has a little bit of it. He's in 1231 01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,280 Speaker 8: the he's in the mullet category. 1232 01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,400 Speaker 6: I'm looking here, He's in the neighborhood of a mullet, right. 1233 01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:14,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1234 01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,840 Speaker 1: I'm going off of like the preseason photos which might 1235 01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,320 Speaker 1: actually be dangerous, right, I mean, you know, several guys 1236 01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,040 Speaker 1: might have decided to, you know, clean up the act 1237 01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,920 Speaker 1: if you will. Uh, there's a hold on, there was 1238 01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,440 Speaker 1: there's a couple on the line here, who's the lineman 1239 01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,680 Speaker 1: I saw that has like a swe I mean, I'm talking, Oh, 1240 01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,840 Speaker 1: here we go and help me on the pronunciation of 1241 01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:36,000 Speaker 1: the last name Luke out of out of Virginia tech 1242 01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,720 Speaker 1: Tanuda Tanuda. 1243 01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,280 Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, sweet. 1244 01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,480 Speaker 8: And I think I think he might have I could 1245 01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,400 Speaker 8: be wrong, but I think he might have cleaned that up. 1246 01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,760 Speaker 8: Clips Yeah, great, great, Clips might have been. 1247 01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,560 Speaker 1: Involved in Okay, hold on, there was an I think Bordelini. 1248 01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:51,880 Speaker 1: Does Bordelini have a mullet? 1249 01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:57,320 Speaker 8: Yeah, Bordelini's got the He's got like what the oh God, 1250 01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,240 Speaker 8: you're gonna kill me for this. He's got like the 1251 01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,480 Speaker 8: Anthony Leo. Look, you know what I'm saying where it's like, yeah, 1252 01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:04,880 Speaker 8: kind of tight, kind of tight on the sides and 1253 01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,480 Speaker 8: longer on top. I don't know what you call that, 1254 01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,840 Speaker 8: but it's it's kind of a young man's game for sure. 1255 01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:12,720 Speaker 1: And then lots of beards. I noticed that too, Lots 1256 01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,360 Speaker 1: of beards. Are you going to grow a beard out. 1257 01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,520 Speaker 8: Oh, Jake, he would take me about forty forty years 1258 01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,840 Speaker 8: to grow a beard would come in. Pat Yeah, I 1259 01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,000 Speaker 8: I I maybe a little bit of a too much 1260 01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,240 Speaker 8: information on Matt Taylor, but not a whole lot of 1261 01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:30,720 Speaker 8: hair going on. Yeah, like maybe one or one or 1262 01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:32,440 Speaker 8: two one or two chefs hairs. 1263 01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:33,280 Speaker 2: Okay. 1264 01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,320 Speaker 1: So in other words, if the if the Colts happened 1265 01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:36,840 Speaker 1: to have a game at Gillette Stadium and you're not 1266 01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:38,560 Speaker 1: taking the free handouts, that's what you're getting at. You 1267 01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:39,000 Speaker 1: don't need them. 1268 01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:42,680 Speaker 8: No, yeah, No, I mean luckily for me, I average 1269 01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:45,280 Speaker 8: about two shaves a week, and I know other people 1270 01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:46,960 Speaker 8: average about two shaves a day, So. 1271 01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,400 Speaker 1: You're lucky in that regard, trust me. No, I know 1272 01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,680 Speaker 1: the Colts will get set against the Miami Dolphins. Matt. 1273 01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:56,400 Speaker 1: In the time that you have done this and the 1274 01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,760 Speaker 1: INN and the NBA, I have always felt, did it 1275 01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,240 Speaker 1: take tkes you about twenty to twenty five games to 1276 01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,800 Speaker 1: truly know what team you have and how and where 1277 01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:06,920 Speaker 1: you are so to speak? 1278 01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:07,280 Speaker 2: Yep. 1279 01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,120 Speaker 1: In the NFL that would translate to four games a 1280 01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,360 Speaker 1: quarter of the season. But the NFL is a little 1281 01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:16,040 Speaker 1: bit different because of the attrition that takes place in 1282 01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:20,560 Speaker 1: terms of injuries and other such things. But realistically, if 1283 01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,800 Speaker 1: you look at the way they open up, you got Miami, 1284 01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,920 Speaker 1: you got Denver, and then you go Tennessee and the Rams, 1285 01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,080 Speaker 1: well we have a pretty good idea who they are 1286 01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:29,240 Speaker 1: after those four. 1287 01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:30,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1288 01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,200 Speaker 8: I'm really glad you bring this up because I think 1289 01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,800 Speaker 8: you're spot on because of how how different now the 1290 01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:40,360 Speaker 8: rules are in the NFL, and you got to play 1291 01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,840 Speaker 8: by the collective bargaining agreement and you know, the first 1292 01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,120 Speaker 8: couple of days, maybe the first week or so of 1293 01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:50,400 Speaker 8: camp is in pro pads and the full pads don't 1294 01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,920 Speaker 8: come on, and teams don't live tackle full tackle to 1295 01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:57,160 Speaker 8: the ground anymore. So it's such a good point, and 1296 01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:01,240 Speaker 8: to me, it really was driven home in twenty twenty two. 1297 01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:04,080 Speaker 8: And the reason why I say that is in twenty 1298 01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:08,000 Speaker 8: twenty two, here comes Matt Ryan and the Colts looked 1299 01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,320 Speaker 8: awesome in training camp, like I thought based on what 1300 01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,000 Speaker 8: I saw, and they they and too they that year 1301 01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:18,040 Speaker 8: they stayed relatively healthy and injury free in training camp. 1302 01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,240 Speaker 8: Right there was just there was a lot of you know, 1303 01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,240 Speaker 8: full participation and Matt Ryan was. 1304 01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,760 Speaker 6: Throwing the ball all over the place. They looked good. 1305 01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,520 Speaker 8: In the preseason and thought, all right, here we go, 1306 01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:32,520 Speaker 8: this is first AFC South championship since twenty fourteen. The 1307 01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,480 Speaker 8: Colts are going to win ten games. And then you know, 1308 01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,919 Speaker 8: we all know what that season was. Here here comes 1309 01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,960 Speaker 8: Jeff Saturday and Frank Reich was fired, and you know 1310 01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,840 Speaker 8: the Sam Ellinger thing, and here comes Nick Foles. Like 1311 01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,480 Speaker 8: it was just a nightmare, right, And so like that's 1312 01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:49,360 Speaker 8: why I'm out of the prediction game because I think 1313 01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:51,720 Speaker 8: not that training camp. I'm not saying at all that 1314 01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,320 Speaker 8: training camp in the preseason don't matter because they do 1315 01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:58,040 Speaker 8: the necessary evils. They're part of the process. But you're 1316 01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:01,560 Speaker 8: just not gonna know, fully, especially with a new quarterback 1317 01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,160 Speaker 8: that the Colts have had to use every year, because 1318 01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:07,680 Speaker 8: Daniel Jones will be the eleventh different starting quarterback the 1319 01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:13,160 Speaker 8: Colts have used since twenty nineteen, you just you're not. 1320 01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:13,960 Speaker 6: Really gonna know. 1321 01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:17,600 Speaker 8: It's almost like, in some cases, based on the team 1322 01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:22,200 Speaker 8: and your circumstances, it's almost like the first month of 1323 01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:26,000 Speaker 8: the season is like an extended feeling out process of 1324 01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,400 Speaker 8: training camp, you know, trying to find out who you are, 1325 01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,640 Speaker 8: who you're not, what you can do, and how the 1326 01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:34,600 Speaker 8: best you personnel so yeah, I'm out of the prediction 1327 01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,640 Speaker 8: game totally because of just you never really know what 1328 01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:42,080 Speaker 8: you got until you start playing regular season games. 1329 01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:43,560 Speaker 6: And I mean think of it like this. 1330 01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,480 Speaker 8: I mean, for every player in the NFL, it doesn't 1331 01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,200 Speaker 8: matter if you've been in the league nine years or 1332 01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:52,000 Speaker 8: if you're a rookie. This is gonna be your first chance. 1333 01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,240 Speaker 8: You know, A week from Sundal will be your your 1334 01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:58,800 Speaker 8: first chance in over nine months to play a flat out, 1335 01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:03,440 Speaker 8: full out four quarters of football and play sixty to 1336 01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,240 Speaker 8: seventy snaps in one afternoon. 1337 01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:08,200 Speaker 6: You just haven't done it in almost a year. And so 1338 01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:09,800 Speaker 6: I just you just don't know. 1339 01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,200 Speaker 8: You can think you have a good idea of like 1340 01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,600 Speaker 8: what your strengths and weaknesses are and things like that. 1341 01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,360 Speaker 8: But you know, as Rick Ventura always like to say, 1342 01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:19,400 Speaker 8: like opening Day in the first week or two of 1343 01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,720 Speaker 8: the season, it's like Christmas and Halloween, because you're excited 1344 01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,440 Speaker 8: to see, you know, what all your toys look like 1345 01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:27,160 Speaker 8: and get them all out and see. 1346 01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:27,560 Speaker 6: What they can do. 1347 01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:29,400 Speaker 8: But at the same time, it's Halloween because if it 1348 01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,960 Speaker 8: doesn't go well, you could be in for a nightmare. 1349 01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:34,480 Speaker 1: By the way, for Halloween, when you were a kid, 1350 01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,880 Speaker 1: Matt Taylor, did you do when you were trick or treating? 1351 01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,600 Speaker 1: Did you go with the plastic pumpkin or were you 1352 01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:41,560 Speaker 1: a pillowcase guy? 1353 01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,200 Speaker 8: Well, the later year is definitely a pillowcase because it 1354 01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,800 Speaker 8: gave you more space, you know, some more flexibility, you 1355 01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,760 Speaker 8: know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that 1356 01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,080 Speaker 8: Jerry Seinfeld bit. I don't know if you've ever seen that. 1357 01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,000 Speaker 8: You know, you get in the later years, you're going 1358 01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,520 Speaker 8: through the motions, you know, you ring the doorbell, You're 1359 01:05:58,560 --> 01:05:59,480 Speaker 8: like bing bong. 1360 01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:00,840 Speaker 6: And they're like, oh, what are you supposed to be? 1361 01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:02,760 Speaker 6: It's like, I'm supposed to be done by now? All right, 1362 01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:07,520 Speaker 6: we hit That's right. 1363 01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:09,840 Speaker 1: Here's the thing I always thought was weird when it 1364 01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,120 Speaker 1: came to trick or treating. Matt and and rest Asshirt. 1365 01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:18,600 Speaker 1: We'll probably revisit this conversation in October. But the last 1366 01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,840 Speaker 1: year or two that you trick or treated, you felt 1367 01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:25,600 Speaker 1: the societal pressure to act like you were supposed to 1368 01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,160 Speaker 1: not care anymore, but deep down you never wanted to 1369 01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:29,960 Speaker 1: stop doing it. Do you agree with that? 1370 01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:30,320 Speaker 2: Yeah? 1371 01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:35,040 Speaker 8: No, I mean I was I think I I think 1372 01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,000 Speaker 8: I tried to relay that to the friends too, Like 1373 01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,400 Speaker 8: you know, hey, guys, like you know, we're going into 1374 01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,040 Speaker 8: eighth grade or whatever it was like seventh eighth grade. 1375 01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,320 Speaker 1: That's about right, that's about the time period, right. 1376 01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:46,920 Speaker 8: Yeah, you don't I don't think you do it in 1377 01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,640 Speaker 8: high school like you're you know, when you when you 1378 01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,160 Speaker 8: get your learners permit, you probably shouldn't be trick or 1379 01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:53,600 Speaker 8: treating anymore, you know what I'm saying. 1380 01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, now people get their learners permit at the 1381 01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,920 Speaker 1: age of like twenty four. Have you noticed that? 1382 01:06:58,920 --> 01:06:59,360 Speaker 6: That's right? 1383 01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:00,680 Speaker 1: Thing too? 1384 01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,600 Speaker 8: Right, things are a little bit different there, But yeah, 1385 01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:05,360 Speaker 8: I mean I think I knew at the back of 1386 01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,200 Speaker 8: my mind, like hey, you know, stop and. 1387 01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:10,360 Speaker 6: Kind of appreciate this. And now I've always had just like. 1388 01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:13,200 Speaker 8: This weird ability to like sort of like stop and 1389 01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,840 Speaker 8: understand like the presence of where you are and stuff. 1390 01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:19,600 Speaker 1: We also, you also were the only fifth grader in 1391 01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:21,840 Speaker 1: like whatever year, what year would you have been in 1392 01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,960 Speaker 1: fifth grade, Matt. 1393 01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,880 Speaker 6: Like nineteen ninety four. 1394 01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,040 Speaker 1: Okay, so you were the only fifth grader in nineteen 1395 01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,760 Speaker 1: ninety four that actually was completely content with a foeign 1396 01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,400 Speaker 1: or forty five, you know what I mean, Like somebody, 1397 01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,640 Speaker 1: somebody I got a reo Speedwagon taps and they're like, 1398 01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:39,600 Speaker 1: a cool, let's come back to that house, you know. 1399 01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:40,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go back. 1400 01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:42,680 Speaker 6: To the guy given out fog hat forty five. 1401 01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:47,480 Speaker 1: Hey, let's end with this with Daniel Jones in quarterback now. 1402 01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:51,200 Speaker 1: And we've talked plenty about that decision. But in terms 1403 01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:55,600 Speaker 1: of the scheme of what Shane Steiken offensively may be 1404 01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,600 Speaker 1: able to do with Daniel Jones that he did or 1405 01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:03,440 Speaker 1: did not do with Anthony Richardson, the style that we're 1406 01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,680 Speaker 1: going to see, or the players that may most benefit 1407 01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:11,600 Speaker 1: from Daniel Jones there they will stylistically look different offensively 1408 01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:12,400 Speaker 1: in what way? 1409 01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:19,000 Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't know, it's a good question, you know, Stylistically, 1410 01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:21,960 Speaker 8: I think one of the one of the reasons, not 1411 01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:25,320 Speaker 8: the main reason. I mean, I think Chris and Shane 1412 01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:26,800 Speaker 8: will be able to give you a better answer, But 1413 01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,479 Speaker 8: just my gut feeling on the matter is one of 1414 01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:32,720 Speaker 8: the reasons why they wanted to pursue Daniel Jones as 1415 01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:37,240 Speaker 8: an option in free agencies because aesthetically, the offense doesn't 1416 01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:41,280 Speaker 8: have to change between he and Anthony Richardson, no matter 1417 01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:44,560 Speaker 8: who won that job when the quarterback battle started. 1418 01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:48,320 Speaker 6: Back back in April. And that's that's important for the 1419 01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:48,760 Speaker 6: rest of. 1420 01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:50,680 Speaker 8: The guys on offense, they don't have to kind of 1421 01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:52,760 Speaker 8: change in flip flop mindset. I mean, it's not like 1422 01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:56,240 Speaker 8: going from Anthony Richardson to Joe Flacco. You mean, one guy, 1423 01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,479 Speaker 8: no hyperbole, is the most athletic quarterback in the history 1424 01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,800 Speaker 8: of the game versus another one who's got, you know, 1425 01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,720 Speaker 8: pretty much at this point in his career, a very 1426 01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:09,080 Speaker 8: very limited ability to be mobile. 1427 01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:09,320 Speaker 6: In the pocket. 1428 01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,200 Speaker 8: So you don't have to change everything up for everybody 1429 01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:16,120 Speaker 8: else on the roster, which is important. And certainly I 1430 01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:19,200 Speaker 8: don't think you're going to see as many design runs 1431 01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:22,200 Speaker 8: for Daniel Jones throughout the course of a game as 1432 01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,439 Speaker 8: you would for Anthony Richardson, but I still think you're 1433 01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,240 Speaker 8: going to see some. And I still think it's important 1434 01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:31,639 Speaker 8: for him to have the threats of you know, pulling 1435 01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:35,000 Speaker 8: a red zone or read option and running off tackle 1436 01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:38,320 Speaker 8: and reading that defensive end to keep the defense honest, 1437 01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,240 Speaker 8: because I think that has to be part of you know, 1438 01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:45,080 Speaker 8: your playbook and part of your your weekly routine to 1439 01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:48,799 Speaker 8: keep the defense honest. And then secondly, you know, somebody 1440 01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:50,439 Speaker 8: asked me earlier, Hey, is this. 1441 01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:51,000 Speaker 6: Going to be all right? 1442 01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,559 Speaker 8: Is Daniel Jones, now the quarterback, is this going to 1443 01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:56,840 Speaker 8: be like Gardner Minshew twenty twenty three, And no, I 1444 01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:00,160 Speaker 8: don't think it will be at all because Gardner he 1445 01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:04,120 Speaker 8: was really accurate and efficient. But a lot of times 1446 01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,280 Speaker 8: with Gardner, you know kind of the knock on that 1447 01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:08,360 Speaker 8: was it was like playing on a fifteen to twenty 1448 01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:10,800 Speaker 8: yards field, you know what I mean, Like if the 1449 01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,800 Speaker 8: defense could stack the box and load up to stop 1450 01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,240 Speaker 8: the running game. In Johnson Taylor, the Colts had a 1451 01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:19,880 Speaker 8: hard time of winning downfield and outside the numbers. With 1452 01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,120 Speaker 8: Daniel Jones, he's still going to be able to push 1453 01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:26,320 Speaker 8: the ball, and they're emphasizing that. It's hard to I mean, 1454 01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,960 Speaker 8: you've got to have that inside your offense. It's hard 1455 01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:32,080 Speaker 8: to go on ten twelve play scoring drives. There's a 1456 01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:34,880 Speaker 8: lot of things that can fubar drive, right, I mean, 1457 01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:37,439 Speaker 8: you could have a pre snap penalty, you could have 1458 01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,840 Speaker 8: a sack that takes you out of you know, down 1459 01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:42,320 Speaker 8: in distance favorably. There's just a lot of things that 1460 01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:45,720 Speaker 8: can derail a methodical drive in the NFL, man, I 1461 01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:50,160 Speaker 8: think there's two things that statistically, you know, go play 1462 01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:52,280 Speaker 8: a long go a long way. 1463 01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:53,759 Speaker 6: In deciding who wins games. 1464 01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,839 Speaker 8: First one is turnovers, right, who wins the turnover battle? 1465 01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:59,519 Speaker 8: And the second one is more often than not, the 1466 01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,000 Speaker 8: team that has more big plays than the other wins 1467 01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,320 Speaker 8: the game. And so the Colts know that they need 1468 01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:08,160 Speaker 8: to generate just as many big plays with Daniel Jones 1469 01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:11,639 Speaker 8: as they would have with Anthony Richardson, and he can 1470 01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,120 Speaker 8: do it. And that's where Pierce comes into play, It's 1471 01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:17,160 Speaker 8: where ad Ni Mitchell comes into play. And certainly they 1472 01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:18,960 Speaker 8: have to feast in the middle of the field more 1473 01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,559 Speaker 8: often this year than they did last year with Tyler 1474 01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,040 Speaker 8: Warren and the rest of those tight ends. And I 1475 01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:28,840 Speaker 8: think just with his overall body of work and career accuracy, 1476 01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:30,960 Speaker 8: that Daniel Jones is going to be able to do 1477 01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:34,840 Speaker 8: those things. Be consistent, be efficient on offense, but also 1478 01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:37,559 Speaker 8: tap into those chunk plays that you have to have 1479 01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,160 Speaker 8: that helps mitigate, you know, mitigate scoring and makes the 1480 01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:43,360 Speaker 8: offense hum and become more efficient. 1481 01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:45,840 Speaker 1: All right, last question, it's the most important of all. 1482 01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:50,320 Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety three, third grade Matt Taylor's trick or treating 1483 01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,439 Speaker 1: gets to a house, rings the doorbell, guy answers the 1484 01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:55,439 Speaker 1: door and says, listen, I got no candy. 1485 01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:55,760 Speaker 2: Left. 1486 01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,120 Speaker 1: I apologize you're late to the party. I got no candy. 1487 01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:00,560 Speaker 1: But what I do have is I have inside of 1488 01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:06,439 Speaker 1: my garage. Here instill the plastic casing of it, the 1489 01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:10,160 Speaker 1: helmet of every opponent of the Colts twenty twenty five schedule. 1490 01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:13,719 Speaker 1: The Miami Dolphins of Denver Broncos, the Tennessee Titans, the Rams, 1491 01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:19,520 Speaker 1: the Raiders, the Arizona Cardinals, the Chargers, the Steelers, the Falcons, 1492 01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:23,720 Speaker 1: the Chiefs, the Seahawks, the Texans. Obviously wouldn't know what 1493 01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,559 Speaker 1: the Texans are, but bear with me, suspend reality here. 1494 01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,679 Speaker 1: You get to pick one of them as little kid 1495 01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,200 Speaker 1: Matt Taylor, simply because you think it would be the 1496 01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:35,080 Speaker 1: coolest one to sit on your bookshelf in your bedroom, 1497 01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:37,759 Speaker 1: because you can't deny that it's just one badass helmet 1498 01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,040 Speaker 1: you go with? Who? 1499 01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:42,360 Speaker 6: Well, first of all, you want me to go in 1500 01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:44,439 Speaker 6: a stranger's house. Put I'm nine years old. 1501 01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,320 Speaker 1: Your parents are with you. You're being chackparone. 1502 01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:49,280 Speaker 6: Oh, my dad's with me, all right? 1503 01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:50,160 Speaker 2: Good? 1504 01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:51,639 Speaker 6: Does my dad know the guy like. 1505 01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,800 Speaker 1: Your dad knows the guy? It's Eddie White, actually, and 1506 01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:56,519 Speaker 1: these are all from back when he worked at Logo 1507 01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:58,439 Speaker 1: seven and then he tells you about Dan Marino for 1508 01:12:58,439 --> 01:12:59,720 Speaker 1: twenty minutes and then you get to leave. 1509 01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:02,759 Speaker 6: I'd like to listen to those stories. 1510 01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,599 Speaker 8: Yeah, I probably. You know, I've always been really really 1511 01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:10,920 Speaker 8: I've always been really drawn to the Kansas City Chiefs 1512 01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:16,679 Speaker 8: logo and their their color scheme because my favorite color 1513 01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:18,280 Speaker 8: going up was red. 1514 01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,320 Speaker 6: Because of the Cincinnati Reds. You know, my favorite player 1515 01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:21,080 Speaker 6: was very lark and. 1516 01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:22,680 Speaker 8: So as a nine year old, I probably would have 1517 01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:26,040 Speaker 8: been drawn to the red uniform. I like the simplicity 1518 01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:31,120 Speaker 8: of the logo. And two, I'm a big like color 1519 01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:36,840 Speaker 8: contraft uniform guy. I like one color on top and 1520 01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,160 Speaker 8: a different color on the bottom when you wear the 1521 01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:42,479 Speaker 8: football pants. That's why I would love to see. And 1522 01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:45,200 Speaker 8: I don't know when and for how long they did this, Jake, 1523 01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:47,040 Speaker 8: you would know, But like when the Colts used to 1524 01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:51,320 Speaker 8: wear blue pants on the road instead of the white, 1525 01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:54,320 Speaker 8: I'm a big color contrast guy. So like the Chiefs 1526 01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:56,880 Speaker 8: when they at home they wear red on top, white 1527 01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,120 Speaker 8: on the bottom, and then I think reverse it on 1528 01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:02,400 Speaker 8: the road. So I'm a big proponent of that. So 1529 01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:04,280 Speaker 8: I would probably go to the Kansas City Chiefs for 1530 01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:04,719 Speaker 8: that reason. 1531 01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,599 Speaker 1: Eddie, who would you pick? I wasn't paying attention. 1532 01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:08,240 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. 1533 01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:11,080 Speaker 1: That's the most shocking part of the interview, is it not. 1534 01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,639 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, that's how that's how intriguing we were just. 1535 01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:17,479 Speaker 1: Not to mention, not to mention. It's it's a moot 1536 01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,240 Speaker 1: point for Eddie because they don't make Rode Roddelle helmets 1537 01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:22,080 Speaker 1: at a nine and three eighths, so you know it 1538 01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:27,280 Speaker 1: doesn't matter, right, Matt, appreciate the time as always. 1539 01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:30,840 Speaker 2: All Right, guys, be well, have a good Labor Day weekend. 1540 01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,080 Speaker 1: You too. Matt Taylor, the Voice of the Cults,