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Speaker 1: So what John Thun, the leader of the Republicans in

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Speaker 1: Good to be with you. Griff Jenkins joins us right

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Speaker 1: I want to get into what's going on with DHS,

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Speaker 2: Keep it here. This is Tony Kats today.

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Speaker 1: Chuck Norris dead at the age of eighty six, which

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Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't know how to put it all together.

439
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: I didn't have any concept of how to be thinking

440
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: about what's next and how to position yourself to what's next.

441
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 1: Because there were times where I could see something happening.

442
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: My wife and I have friends, my business partner back

443
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: in LA and others can tell you I saw what

444
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,239
Speaker 1: was coming, and I had no understanding of how to

445
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 1: even begin to I asked the question to position myself

446
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 1: to the thing.

447
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 2: I've argued this in my own.

448
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: Career that if I had a business manager, I would

449
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: be bigger, And then sometimes I like, I don't even

450
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 1: know what bigger means. But and bas by the way,

451
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: there's also a bit of speculation there on the business manager.

452
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: But see idea that other people know how to run

453
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Speaker 1: a business better than I do. The fact that I

454
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: can see something doesn't mean I know how to operate

455
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: to the thing, and I never learned how to operate

456
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: to the thing. And within that, there's a lot of

457
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: stories of my own issues in life in my twenties

458
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 1: and the depression and being suicidal and just not quickly

459
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: coming off the eight ball, and how things had to

460
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 1: slowly develop in my life. If I was this guy

461
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: in my twenties, I would own the universe. Instead, I

462
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: own a very nice house outside of Indianapolis, Indiana, and

463
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: I'm living a good life.

464
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Speaker 2: I don't complain.

465
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Speaker 1: I don't complain considering the stuff gone through as we

466
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: all gone through. Things not too shabby for Tony. But

467
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: it's true that I didn't have this comprehension. I didn't

468
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: have this understanding and has come to me later and

469
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: I now.

470
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: I do with it the best that I can.

471
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: So yes, you're more than welcome to leave me any

472
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: dollars in your will that you would like.

473
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 2: But the.

474
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: Larger scale conversation I get into is there is nothing

475
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: that makes me more happy than the idea that I'm

476
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: going to be able to help my kids get started

477
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: on a better financial footing.

478
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 2: They're gonna have to have jobs, they're gonna have to work.

479
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 1: But if they let this thing build, if they put

480
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 1: into it themselves and they let it build, if they

481
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: engage not only a trust of systems, but also taking

482
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 1: a look at how these systems.

483
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: Might be changing with legislation, etc. How to pay attention

484
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 2: to these things and then be forward thinking.

485
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: They're going to have a much better retirement than me,

486
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: which better financial future than me. That is a pleasure

487
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 1: to know now that I will have been hopefully helpful

488
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: to create for them.

489
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 2: Then when I'm no longer here, I can't take the

490
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 2: pleasure then, but I can take it now. And the

491
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 2: only thing that I've learned is it is not the amount.

492
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: It is rather the effort put in to helping your

493
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 1: kids understand what the future can look like. It's helping

494
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Speaker 1: them understand the very concepts of responsibility and sacrifice, because

495
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 1: that's what a lot.

496
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: Of this is.

497
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: You might have a craft ton of money and you

498
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: can put all of it into a fund for them

499
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: and let it build and let it grow out.

500
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: I do all the work for them.

501
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: You can do that. I don't think there's anything wrong

502
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: with that. It's your money, and we'll get into that.

503
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: But what I have desperately tried to instill into my

504
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: children is that as they're now getting into adulthood and working.

505
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: The way through school, and then you know, then the job.

506
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Speaker 1: If you live differently from your friends now, you will

507
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: live differently from your friends later. If you don't go

508
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: out to eat every meal. If you don't spend the

509
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: thirty five dollars a week on Starbucks, make your own

510
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,479
Speaker 1: coffee at home, make your own lunch at home, take

511
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: it with you to work. If you don't feel the

512
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: need to drive the newest car and have a thousand

513
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: dollars a month car payment, but you buy a car

514
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Speaker 1: for thirteen.

515
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: Thousand because you can't really buy a used car for

516
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: eight thousand dollars anymore. Used to be able to buy

517
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: a used car for five thousand dollars.

518
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: And I know some of you and the Gen X

519
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: and older, we'll understand what I'm saying. Those days are over.

520
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: And you take a look at new cars and you're

521
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: talking about fifty thousand plus and people carry thousand dollars

522
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: a month car payments.

523
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: Crazy.

524
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Speaker 1: If you avoid all of that, if you're willing to

525
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: sacrifice now, if you live differently than your friends now,

526
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: you will live differently than your friends later you will

527
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: be much.

528
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: More comfortable, much more capable, and much more able. And

529
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: then you want to buy the whatever you've got it

530
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: you can.

531
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: The concept of assets and things that throw you off

532
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: an income or a revenue stream, tangible things, business or.

533
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Speaker 2: Property, etc.

534
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: Right, So I do a lot of discussion of this

535
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: and how important that is. But absolutely I want to

536
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: provide for my kids to the best of my ability

537
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: because of how I believe what my responsibility is. They

538
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: have the responsibility to themselves and I have a responsibility

539
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: to them, and then when they have kids, they have

540
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: a responsibility to those kids. Absolutely, But when people have

541
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: been able to hit it big and make a whole

542
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: bunch of money and then they're like, Nope, I'm leaving

543
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Speaker 1: it to charity.

544
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 2: I'm not leaving it to my kids. They have to

545
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: make their own.

546
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: Does Bill Gates know that he's a once in a

547
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: lifetime billionaire. Once in a lifetime he was the guy

548
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: the right moment an IBM passed and he was able

549
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: to take Microsoft and grow.

550
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: That's that. That's the story. You don't leave that to

551
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 2: your kids.

552
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: And then you try and convince other millionaires and billionaires

553
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: not to leave the money to their kids and leave

554
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: it to charity.

555
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

556
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: You could donate to charity if you choose your kids,

557
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: and outside of possible extenuating circumstances, I don't think that

558
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: that is loving.

559
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: It's madness to me. Absolute madness.

560
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: But this all started with the conversation of if I

561
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: won the lottery, No, I wouldn't tell anybody. And the

562
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: reason I wouldn't tell anybody is that you get these

563
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: requests all over the place. First of all, the people

564
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: who come out of the woodwork asking for money, thinking

565
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: they're owed money, demanding money. And then you get these charities,

566
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: and these charities can be very aggressive and very very brutal.

567
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, constant my rule, the only rule I have.

568
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: If I come into a load of money that got

569
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: made public, lottery whatever, if you ask me for money

570
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: for your charity, it guaranteed no.

571
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: If you ask me, I say no, I know who

572
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: I want to work with.

573
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: I know who I want to give to. I will

574
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: then do my own researchency. If there are others I

575
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: want to give to, I am a no. If you ask,

576
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: the answer is no. That's that is my standing rule

577
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: for myself, because it'll help me just you know, weed

578
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: out a lot of people. I don't even have to

579
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: worry about it. Just you know, you create a list,

580
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: here are the nos, and then I can be like,

581
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: all right, now I can work on who I may

582
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: want to be of service to also. And I understand

583
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: that this is a weird thing about me. But the

584
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: more I discuss it, the more I've engaged it, the

585
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: more I realize. And this is going to sound so

586
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: so pretentious, I'm right, and everybody else is insane. We

587
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: have too many charities and we give to too many charities.

588
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: We say that again for the people in cheap seats.

589
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: We have too many charities and we give to too

590
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,959
Speaker 1: many charities. I have zero issue with private charity. I

591
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: favor private charity. But we do really weird things. And

592
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: here's the quick example. Backpack drives. I've talked about this before.

593
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: The backpack drive. The kids are going back to school,

594
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: so we're gonna supply everybody. We're gonna donate all these

595
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: backpacks and then these notebooks, these pens and pencils, so

596
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: they're all prepared for the school year. You do enough

597
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: of those, and you know what, people start saying, Hey,

598
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: I don't need to buy a backpack.

599
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: I don't need to buy notebooks. We'll just go down

600
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: to the backpack drive. They'll give them to us.

601
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: You take away responsibility that way, and you will discover

602
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: in life that it is responsibility and sacrifice that makes

603
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,719
Speaker 1: us who we are. It makes men men, and it

604
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: makes women women, and it makes families stronger and better

605
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: and more thankful for what they do have. And if

606
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: it's just provided, then people are like, well, you have

607
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: to provide it. What do you mean you're not providing it?

608
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: Why do you hate us at all? You're taking away

609
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: responsibility And I really have no place for that in

610
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: my life. And we need less of those things and more,

611
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: saying to parents, go get your kid kids a backpack. Sure,

612
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: there's some people who can't afford it. I don't mind

613
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: helping people, but when you do, the NonStop backpack drives

614
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: and everyone comes to expect it.

615
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: Who are you actually helping? They never asked themselves that question. Now,

616
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: someone could say, Tony, wasn't that the argument for not

617
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: leaving money of your kids? No? No, no, no, no no.

618
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: Because those people have decided to leave it to strangers,

619
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: and outside of the extenuating circumstances, that means they don't

620
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: trust their own kids, or they're so ego centric that

621
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: they don't want their kids to have a good like them.

622
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: It says to me, they don't trust their own kids.

623
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Speaker 1: It's super weird to me. Rest in peace, Chuck Norris,

624
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: This is Tony Kats today. So whether it's breadlines or

625
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: whether it's TSA lines, progressives love lines. Tony Katz, Tony

626
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: Katz today, good to be with you.

627
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: We're hearing this all over the place.

628
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: Houston, Atlanta, LaGuardia, which is New York. The lines for

629
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: TSA are out to parking lots, quite literally out the door.

630
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: Hundreds, if not thousands of people onlines.

631
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: Because the TSA is not funded, you're dealing with less

632
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: and less people. And one will wonder whether or not

633
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: some ts agents were told to say, hey, stay home.

634
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: They want the pain. So Democrats will freaking do something

635
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,479
Speaker 1: and vote to fund DHS because that's where we are at.

636
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: Democrats have done this, Democrats have done this completely, and

637
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: Republicans have to hang this around their necks.

638
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 2: I just don't know if Republicans are smart enough to

639
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 2: do it, that's all. I do not know if indeed

640
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 2: they're smart enough. But these lines.

641
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: People are angry, and if there's no funding, airports are

642
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: going to close. That's coming. Find everything at time many

643
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 1: cats dot com. I'll catch you Monday.

644
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Speaker 2: Everyone, take care