1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: President Trump looking to the Supreme Court saying, hey, this 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: situation with the Eging Carroll, why don't you toss that verdict? 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 2: Won't you? Tony Katz? Tony Katz today, great to be 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 2: with you. 5 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: Eging Carroll, the writer President Trump was held liable for 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: sexually abusing her in the mid nineties. This was a 7 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: civil verdict, not criminal. If you ask me, I think 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: it was a bit of nonsense. When I say a bit, 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of bits of nonsense. She won 10 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: eighty eight million dollars in damages. He has turned to 11 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court calls the claims facially implausible politically motivated allegations. 12 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: So what he is looking is for a reversal of 13 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: evidentiary rulings that would then eliminate or any claim that 14 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 1: she's actually making. And the petition reads that Egan Carroll 15 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: quote waited more than twenty years to falsely accuse Donald Trump, 16 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: who she politically opposes, until after he became the forty 17 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: fifth president, which he can maximize political injury to him 18 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: and profit for herself. So I don't know if the 19 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: Supreme Court is interested in getting involved. 20 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 2: I don't know if they will, but. 21 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: There is something to be said for when the allegation. 22 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 2: Broke open. There's also something to be said for what 23 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 2: do you do with. 24 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: People who are so open about their hatred for the 25 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: person that they're going after. We've also opened the door 26 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: up to everybody engaging a defamation suit against everyone everywhere 27 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: all the time. I mean, I'm surprise of courts have 28 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: the ability to function with all the defamation lawsuits that 29 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: go on out there. Do I think that Egene Carroll 30 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: is a good actor? 31 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 3: Me? 32 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 2: No, I don't believe that she is. That's my take. 33 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: Then we've got everybody's favorite. My gosh, what in the 34 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: world is she saying now? And that is Kamala Harris. 35 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: Okay, thank you very much. 36 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: Today she is being well, very very Kamala Harris. 37 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 4: Like, we have so many stars in our party. There 38 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 4: are so many stars, and let's not be afraid of them. 39 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 4: You know, you talk about mom, Donnie. I mean, he's 40 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 4: exciting this group of people who otherwise don't think of 41 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 4: themselves as being aligned or a part or even seen 42 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 4: by the system. You just look at the range of 43 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 4: what we have so many Jasmine Crockett, who I just 44 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 4: talked to you recently. I mean, we have so many stars. 45 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 2: Stars. 46 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris believes that Democratic Party is filled with stars. 47 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,399 Speaker 4: We have so many stars in our party. There are 48 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 4: so many stars. 49 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: It's exactly the line Kamala Harris says after she looks 50 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: up at the sky after a night of Lord. 51 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: Only knows what was being drunk. Hey, look at all 52 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 2: the stars. We have so many stars. Tell me you 53 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 2: didn't say this after Homecoming. 54 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 4: We have so many stars in our party. There are 55 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 4: so many stars. 56 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: That's actually a quote of me after my third Grateful 57 00:03:55,600 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: Dead show. It's it is. 58 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: It is unbelievable. And someone's going to tell me that 59 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: she is legitimate. 60 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 2: As a candidate for president again? Could could we? Could 61 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 2: we stop? Could we please please stop? 62 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 3: No? 63 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 2: I think the. 64 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: Story today is about Ken Burns, the documentarian filmmaker, and 65 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: he has done some beautiful work. I'll leave it to 66 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: others for the sake of this conversation about whether or 67 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: not all of his work has been historically sound. 68 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 2: But the the work done in uh re Re bringing. 69 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: Back to life old photos, old clippings, old any any 70 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: level of film impressive and worthwhile. And and I do, 71 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: to a great level appreciate such things. But this this 72 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: is a defense that ken Burns is making with John Avalon, 73 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: who is a noted Trump hater. 74 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 2: About NPR and PBS. 75 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: Corporation for Public Broadcasting, and he engages here a lie. Now, 76 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: it was the Bulwark that first put this out, that 77 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: first brought this to my attention, and the Bulwark are 78 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: people who claim to still be conservatives when what they 79 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: are is never Trump and never Trump is the most 80 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: non conservative position there possibly could be. Never communist, Yes, 81 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: never Trump. Well, what if he's running against communists? What 82 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: if he's running against silly Clinton? What are he's running 83 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: against Joe Binder, Kamala Harris? Still never Trump? Ha ha, No, 84 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: these people are purposefully foolish and have embarrassed themselves, I 85 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 1: think greatly. But they put this out there as if 86 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: it is a very important statement that was made by 87 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: ken Burns, as if it was a truthful statement made 88 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: by ken Burns, and it was not important, and it 89 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: was not truthful. 90 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: This is what ken Burns had to say. It's a 91 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: big deal. 92 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 3: They killed the the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. Incredibly short sighted. 93 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 3: It'll hurt mostly rural communities. Maybe that's their intention. They'll 94 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 3: be news deserts nobody will be covering the school board 95 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 3: or the city council meeting. They'll miss not only the 96 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 3: children's and primetime programming, but they'll miss you know, homeland 97 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 3: security stuff, continuing education classrooms, of the air warning stuff 98 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 3: that comes from the PBS. 99 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 2: See, no, they won't because they have phones. 100 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: I have no idea what ken Burns is saying here 101 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: except I know what he's saying here, and I don't 102 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: think most people picked it up. Those people on the 103 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: coast didn't quite pick up what was being said. There 104 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: is no news desert that exists right now in the 105 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: United States of America. If you have a signal, if 106 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: you have broadband, you have news, and no public anything, 107 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: whether it's NBR PBS, has ever filled that void. Well, 108 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,119 Speaker 1: I wasn't able to get anything from my broadcast station 109 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: or from my radio stations. Thank goodness, NBR and PBS 110 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: were there, said no one ever, except people who think 111 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: that NBR and PBS should continue to get some. 112 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 2: Level of funding. 113 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: Let's go back and listen again and see if you 114 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: can catch what it is that I'm hearing. 115 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 2: It's a big deal. 116 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 3: They killed the Corporation for Public Broadcasting incredibly short sighted, 117 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 3: it'll hurt mostly rural communities. Maybe that's their intention. There'll 118 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,679 Speaker 3: be news deserts, nobody will be covering the school board 119 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 3: or the city council meeting. They'll miss not only the 120 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 3: children's in primetime programming, but they'll miss you know, homeland 121 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 3: security stuff, continuing education, classrooms, of the air warning stuff 122 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 3: that comes from the PBS signal mostly rural. 123 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: Why would mostly rural be affected by PBS not being there? 124 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 2: Oh? 125 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: Oh, because here in the Midwest were rubes. 126 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: I got it. That isn't what you meant. Well, then 127 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: why don't we answer the question of what do you 128 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 2: mean by rural? 129 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: You mean all those farmers, those farmers who can understand 130 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: the pH levels of soil to figure out when they 131 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: should be planting and how they should be rotating crops, 132 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: how they're able to engage all of those lease deals, 133 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: in all of those contracts for major equipment, and how to. 134 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 2: Manage that equipment. Never might care for that equipment. 135 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, when it comes to news, they 136 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: look at their TV and they just hit it with 137 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: the rock and say, TV turned on? 138 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 2: Is this your argument? 139 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 1: Ken Burns, You elitist snobs, son of a you know, what. 140 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 2: They can't get news without PBS. 141 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: You think they sit around the radio at night and 142 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: light their candles because they're not smart enough to have electricity. 143 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 2: Golly jeepers know and they've listened to NPR and. 144 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: Say, thank goodness, they're here to save us and give 145 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: us all the information they decided was acceptable. 146 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:36,359 Speaker 2: Thank goodness. 147 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: The same NPR that said they wouldn't report on Hunter 148 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: Biden's laptop because we don't report. 149 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 2: On things like that. 150 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: If there were people in the Midwest only getting their 151 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: news from NPR, we would have a name for those 152 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: people in the Midwest. We would call them schmucks. What 153 00:09:55,280 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: a gross thing to say, Ken Burns. It is clear 154 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: the argument that he's making these. 155 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 2: People don't have access to news. They've never been on 156 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 2: Sixth Avenue in New York. 157 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: By the way, it's sixth Avenue, not Avenue of the Americas. 158 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 2: Enough with that crap. Already we've been hit, but we'll recover. 159 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 3: I'm worried about somebody who's coming up right now that 160 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 3: has a lot of talent. It's not going to get 161 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 3: a grant to do that. The American experience has been 162 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 3: put consciously on hiatus for a while. It will be revitalized. 163 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 3: It's got an incredible back catalog that can help remind 164 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 3: us about what it is. It's not all doom and gloom. 165 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 3: PBS has not been cut. It will take a hit. 166 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 3: It's had to lay off lots of people at the 167 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 3: national level as a kind of protective measure to try 168 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 3: to get leaner as we face. 169 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: If PBS is worthy, PBS will get sponsors or they'll 170 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: get supporters. Let them compete. Pr compete. But no, these 171 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: organizations are not necessary. These organizations that get public funding 172 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: and then don't actually report news, who have an ideological basis. No, 173 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: because if there's government funding for people in radio to 174 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: get HI, I don't get any government funding. I have sponsors. 175 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: You can get a sponsor. Go get a sponsor, and 176 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: maybe the sponsor is some state program, and maybe the 177 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: sponsor is some local dry cleaner. 178 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 2: I don't know. 179 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: But the idea that people in the Midwest, in rural 180 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: America are gonna have news deserts now. You don't think 181 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: they have a phone. Are they still doing math utilizing 182 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: their abacus? When they start their car, do they turn 183 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: the key or do they crank it up like it's 184 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: the old victrola and oh, are they sophisticated enough to. 185 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 2: Have the old victrola? Good gosh. 186 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: I do not know if other people caught that, but 187 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: that was the first thing that hit me. How glaring, 188 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: how absolutely hateful and elitist this is. 189 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 2: Bless your heart, there, Ken Burns, bless your heart. I'm 190 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 2: Tony Katz.