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Speaker 1: You were listening to the Best of the Fan morning

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Speaker 1: show on ninety three five and one oh seven five

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Speaker 1: The Fan is that Britney Spears. Hell, yeah it is.

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Speaker 2: Mark said that like it's a national anthem, like everyone

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Speaker 2: should know.

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Speaker 1: Yes it is. Teenage Mark Dyke didn't love Brittain.

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Speaker 3: A music video again, Oh my god, the best video

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Speaker 2: She was the peak of our game. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: A long time ago. A buddy of mine, he was

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Speaker 1: a salesperson. I was supposed to host a suite at

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Speaker 1: a Britney Spears concert and he got sick, and so

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Speaker 1: I had to go fill in. I've never felt more.

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Speaker 1: I was surrounded by like twelve year old girls around

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Speaker 1: the entire place. I was just like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I just want to go home and get.

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Speaker 2: Out of here.

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Speaker 1: I just stayed for the show, but I just I

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Speaker 1: just remember thinking, this is the one place on planet

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Speaker 1: Earth I do not belong. Right now, there's.

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Speaker 3: So speak for yourself, banger after banger, right, Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: don't mind Britney Spears.

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Speaker 1: I just you know, it was just not my scene,

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Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. In the meantime, the scene over

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Speaker 1: at West fifty sixth will be busy a little bit

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Speaker 1: later on this afternoon. It's always tough, I know, for

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Speaker 1: coaches and staff. You bring in a bunch of guys

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Speaker 1: who've put out their blood, sweat and tears for the

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Speaker 1: last months, some mom all the way back to all

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Speaker 1: the workouts, the OTAs and things like that. I know,

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Speaker 1: it's never easy. Those conversations are probably never fun. And

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Speaker 1: you know, you try to hopefully a few of these

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Speaker 1: guys might catch on somewhere else before it's all said

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Speaker 1: and done. But for a lot of guys, it's tough day.

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Speaker 1: A dream can go to die today, and that's never fun.

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Speaker 4: Sure, Yeah, I mean you're gonna cut what eleven hundred

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Speaker 4: the old practice squad. So that is definitely something in

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Speaker 4: the NFL has tried to increase really ever since the

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Speaker 4: COVID season, and they've maintained that here. But yeah, definitely,

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Speaker 4: you know, you see it played out on hard knocks

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Speaker 4: a whole lot. Yeah, never easy to get the call.

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Speaker 4: You know, a lot of these guys are telling their

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Speaker 4: families you don't call me whatsoever today, I will call

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Speaker 4: you because I do not want that call. And unfortunately

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Speaker 4: for guys fifty two fifty three, you might celebrate a

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Speaker 4: little bit tonight and then bam, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 4: the waiverclaim goes through tomorrow by noon and you're off

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Speaker 4: the roster. So that's always something that there is some

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Speaker 4: tinkering with the back end of that roster here for

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Speaker 4: the next handful of days.

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Speaker 1: Well, good morning everyone, welcome into the Fan Morning Show.

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Speaker 1: If you're just joining us on the way to work

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Speaker 1: or getting ready for the day, whatever it happens to be,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate you being here along with James Boyd, Kevin Bowen.

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Speaker 1: I'm jeff Rickard, Mark Dyton, and yeah, it is cut

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Speaker 1: down today around the NFL. But late last night, if

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Speaker 1: you're just joining us, the Colts did bolster again their

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Speaker 1: cornerback room. They will certainly James have a lot to

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Speaker 1: choose from before it's all sudden done. Just in terms

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Kevin laid it out earlier in the

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Speaker 2: show already. But the top three cornerbacks appear to Beach

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Speaker 2: being Xavin Howard, the former two time All Pro, but

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Speaker 2: he hasn't plays in twenty twenty three. However, he's getting

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Speaker 2: and look at his background, Kevin, I wonder if he

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when I saw the trade, I thought, yes, I

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Speaker 4: would agree with you, James. That was my first inkling.

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Speaker 4: And then I was curious too, how much special teams

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Speaker 4: background does he have? And he really doesn't have any

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Speaker 4: the Colts think he can play inside a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Nothing like a nice little Chris Baward Ryan Grigson trade

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Speaker 4: that we got last night there. But yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 4: lead off the show. I cannot recall a position group

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Speaker 4: in the history of Chris Boward's nine years as GM

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Speaker 4: of the Colts that has gotten this much attention in

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Speaker 4: one offseason. And again, it's not like you lost anybody

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Speaker 4: of note from last year. You bring back your top

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Speaker 4: I mean, that is a lot of new investment, new

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Speaker 4: was the GM he never got this much? I would

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Speaker 4: criticize him, but yes, I agree, it's unbelievable how much.

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Speaker 4: And again I say all of this just to say, man,

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Speaker 4: Louis Arumo, he's got a loud voice in this personnel,

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Speaker 4: like Xavion Howard is. I mean the Colts might trot

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Speaker 4: like that is I mean, and I'm fine with that.

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Speaker 4: Let me be clear up right, and I think you

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Speaker 4: You're going to take a one to eighty systematically, then

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Speaker 4: pay up front. And again, not all these guys are

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Speaker 2: But just as you start more roles, yeah, as.

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Speaker 4: You start to yes to find roles, you know, years

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Speaker 4: go on, assuming that this regime sticks together, those will

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Speaker 1: The Other thing, some good news. We've seen Josh Downs

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Speaker 1: and Nick Cross moving pretty well at practice, and I

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Speaker 2: We have not seen moving at practice.

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Speaker 1: I saw a report where they were they were running.

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Speaker 2: Shane Stichen was saying that they're He's hopeful they'll be

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Speaker 2: So I'll be the last time we were at practice.

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Speaker 2: Kevin correct me if I'm wrong. We hadn't seen them

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Speaker 2: on the action I have not the same way. It

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Speaker 2: sounds like that's the game. But yeah, just to clarify there,

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Speaker 2: it is a positive sign there, Jeff, because you want

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Speaker 2: to get those guys healthy for your season opener, mainly

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Speaker 2: because Josh Downs led your team in catches last year

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Speaker 2: So two big key pieces and also some young players

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we keep an eye on West fifty sixth

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Speaker 1: all day long to see if names start trickling out

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Speaker 1: They don't leak a lot over there, do they, Kevin.

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Speaker 4: No, I mean they've Yeah, they're they're pretty still trappy

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Speaker 4: when it comes to, you know, anything along that along

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Speaker 4: those lines. And typically they've operated in a team that

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Speaker 4: announces these roster cuts about as late as anybody around

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Speaker 4: of a little bit of this. The Colts have not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say so. Shout out to Joel A.

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Speaker 2: Erickson though of Indy Starr. This is his wheelhouse among

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Speaker 2: other things. I don't want to diminish him to just that,

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Speaker 2: if you do want to keep up with what's going

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Speaker 2: he's somebody that's good to follow on social media and

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Speaker 2: also to subscribe and watch his work. Read his work

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Speaker 2: over at Indystar dot com.

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Speaker 4: You get nothing official from the team, is no, but

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying I trust Joel Y's definitely is always

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Speaker 1: We'll keep an eye on that, of course. On over

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Speaker 1: the weekend, the Colts won the Battle of the second

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Speaker 4: You know, one debate we had yesterday which I think

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Speaker 4: we got a little clarity on James was wide receiver

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Speaker 4: you saw in that game Lawan Treadwell and Coleman Owen,

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Speaker 4: two very different backgrounds, both were outstanding in that game,

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Speaker 4: And so a question that I did have is I

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Speaker 4: Alec Pearce, Josh Downs, Ady Mitchell, and then your other two.

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Speaker 4: I look at Anthony Gould and Doolan, those are your

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Speaker 4: kick returners. But we did see Ashton Dolan get hurt

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Speaker 4: in practice last week. Shane sty Can clarified yesterday just

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Speaker 4: a concussion for Doulan, so something where they expect him

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Speaker 4: if Dulan has more of a serious injury, do you

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Speaker 4: then get into debate of Treadwell versus Owen, which I

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Speaker 4: mean that is an undrafted free agent and Owen versus

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Speaker 4: They're different whiteouts. Owen more of a slot, Treadwall more

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Speaker 1: A better chance than Anthony Richardson has traded today. I'm

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Speaker 2: By the way, when I was walking flying Bison Baby,

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Speaker 2: Do y'all know how much Chris Ballor loves Anthony Richardson.

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Speaker 2: He ain't going nowhere. Okay, they love him.

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Speaker 3: I'll take the Hoosiers just because you have a longer

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Speaker 4: Listen to Kurtzignetty talk about Old Onion. Yesterday, you would

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Speaker 1: Well Mark, you were saying that the spread was closer

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Speaker 1: I would agree. Yeah, they used that game to get

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Speaker 4: It's been said to me quite a few times.

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Speaker 1: I will. I will continue to pound on that schedule.

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Speaker 1: It just drives me nuts again. Wanted to play a

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Speaker 1: See that future is still I know.

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Speaker 2: In this situation, I feel like the only person we

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Speaker 4: to play, James.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it always is.

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Speaker 4: But I will say this, I can't recall and obviously

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Speaker 1: Yeah to the accept fed up?

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Speaker 4: You think fed up, pissed, I I don't know, irritated,

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say, James, go ahead and push back

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Speaker 2: But it's social media. I will say that. Like, I

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Speaker 1: But it's a big throng.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And even if talking to people, you know whatever

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Speaker 4: maybe it's all of it, and now Shane just happens

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Speaker 1: He's a football robot.

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Speaker 3: So when he doesn't give any answers and it's all

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Speaker 3: This is you're giving us nothing. You're not showing us

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Speaker 2: And to Mark's point, I think that's well said. By

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Speaker 2: you can't be the cold who are in my opinion,

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Speaker 2: no longer not even an opinion, it's a fact they're

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Speaker 2: no longer the perennial playoff team contender upper quartile, the

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Speaker 2: Colts that I kind of grew up with as a kid.

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Speaker 2: This team that I've known throughout most of my adulthood

440
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Speaker 2: now as a twenty nine year old, has been bad. Like,

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Speaker 2: they have not been a good team. They've been irrelevant.

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Speaker 2: They've been largely irrelevant. And so you can't sit up

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Speaker 2: there and have these kind of you know, wordless wordy

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Speaker 2: answers and have not won anything. That's the biggest thing.

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Speaker 4: And again I think it is largely intentional by Shane Stykin.

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Speaker 4: I think he has always walked into a media climate

447
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Speaker 4: not wanting to be super transparent. James, think back to

448
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Speaker 4: last year. It took him a while to finally offer

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Speaker 4: transparency on Anthony Richardson's benching. Remember it took about two

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Speaker 4: weeks before he finally got, oh.

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Speaker 2: You mean to tell me when they put him back

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Speaker 2: in the lineup, and then he said, oh, by the way, yeah,

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Speaker 2: here's the process.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and that statement. And then later in the

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Speaker 4: year and Steve I think reported on this. The Richardson

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Speaker 4: camp was really disappointed in the lack of clarity on

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Speaker 4: Richardson's back injury. You know, Shane talked about the back

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Speaker 4: injury like, you know, me hurting my back tripping over

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Speaker 4: with my kids toys, whereas Anthony's like, yeah, I kind

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Speaker 4: of crawled to the door the other day. Like again,

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Speaker 4: it's just a I think it's largely intentional. I think

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Speaker 4: it's rooted in as crazy as it sounds of some

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Speaker 4: people competitive advantage disadvantages, which again I know that that

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Speaker 4: isn't something that totally applies to the Richardson situation, but

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Speaker 4: I do think that's where it largely comes from here.

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Speaker 4: And when you aren't winning and you have had inconsistencies

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Speaker 4: like you've had, it's gonna boil over. But right now,

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Speaker 4: I just I can't recall the last time there's been

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Speaker 4: this much pent up frustration and again, fed up apathy,

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Speaker 4: pissed off everyone to describe it. I think all that

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Speaker 4: applies right now to where the fan base is at.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know I always say this too, all

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Speaker 1: that stuff from the outside, we're right to talk about

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Speaker 1: because it's what we see, it's what we observe, it's

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Speaker 1: what people say. Really at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: it's what's going on between the cults and their leadership

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Speaker 1: group and Anthony Richardson and what is being communicated privately

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Speaker 1: as to what we're thinking, how are you feeling those

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Speaker 1: kinds of things. We're not privy to that, but based

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Speaker 1: on what we see from the outside, it sure looks

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Speaker 1: like it's topsy turvy up and down and anything can

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Speaker 1: change at any moment.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely Again, if we ask you what is the plan

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Speaker 2: for the guy you drafted fourth overall two years ago,

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Speaker 2: and you can't give an answer, at least publicly, at

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Speaker 2: least a glimpse of an answer that is concerning to me, all.

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Speaker 4: Right, like this this tweet here, miklol, I'm actually never

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Speaker 4: been more tired of hearing someone speak more than I

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Speaker 4: am of Shane like that general thought. I bet I

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Speaker 4: got one hundred of those yesterday in regards to that

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Speaker 4: specific video. So that's just the reality I think of

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Speaker 4: where a lot of Colts fans are at right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, coming up in a minute to Jake

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Speaker 1: Arthur from luckedowncoltsyside dot com get his thoughts on the cults,

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Speaker 1: getting ready to make some cuts a little bit later

496
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Speaker 1: on today the state of the franchise in general. We'll

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Speaker 1: do it next and we'll start to take a look

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Speaker 1: at some of your texts throughout the course of the

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Speaker 1: morning as well, they're coming in fast and furious at

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Speaker 1: two three nine, ten seventy. It's all straight ahead at

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Speaker 1: ninety three five what I was seven five? Good morning,

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Speaker 1: and thank you for joining us wherever you may be.

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Speaker 1: If you're up and dancing the meal, the music is

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Speaker 1: moving you like James Boy, love to see it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a little distarby, I believe from Lehanna

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Speaker 2: and Rihanna. Yeah, I feel like I was at a

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Speaker 2: club or rave or something.

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Speaker 1: I like that morning. Yeah, we got a lot going

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Speaker 1: on today. We'll be talking about the Colts all morning

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Speaker 1: long as they get ready for cutdown day cuts due

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Speaker 1: to the NFL by four pm this afternoon. We've been

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Speaker 1: talking about that for the last hour or so. And

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Speaker 1: now we are joined by Jake Arthur, who covers the

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Speaker 1: Colts at SI dot com alo You can hear him

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Speaker 1: on Lockdown Colts just about anywhere you can download your podcasts,

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Speaker 1: and he is live with us right now on the

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Speaker 1: Paylesslookers hotline. Good morning, Jake. There's a You're just gonna

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Speaker 1: be looking and reloading the internet all day long, just

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Speaker 1: going to your favorite web page and just hitting refresh, refresh, refresh.

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Speaker 5: That's how it.

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Speaker 7: Goes on these days, don't It's especially when the deadlines

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Speaker 7: are always in the afternoon.

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Speaker 5: It's like you kind of just sit and wait and

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Speaker 5: put out feelers all day.

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Speaker 2: So, Jake, when you look at guys who might be

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Speaker 2: on the bubble, actual, let's start here. What are your

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Speaker 2: thoughts on the Mackay black Men trade and what that

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Speaker 2: can mean for some guys in that cornerback room who

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Speaker 2: may be on the bubble.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I thought that one was interesting. This guy seems

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Speaker 7: like he's kind of cut from that same justin Whally

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Speaker 7: Samuel Womack cloth. But the whole group of corners is

533
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Speaker 7: kind of in flux, you know, Juju Brinston, Jalen Jones.

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Speaker 7: This recently came back, but Jones isn't quite ready for

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Speaker 7: field work. Womack, of course, had that hamstring last week.

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Speaker 7: It looks like he was limping around a bit when

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Speaker 7: we saw him at practice. So I think the riding

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Speaker 7: on the wall is that at least one of these

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Speaker 7: guys is expected to be out a little while when

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Speaker 7: the season starts.

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Speaker 5: But I don't black Men.

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Speaker 7: I don't think moves the needle like Xavion Howard does.

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Speaker 7: For example, like Howard already got penciled in as a starter.

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Speaker 5: On their depth chart.

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Speaker 7: But black Men, you know, he's coming off in acl

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Speaker 7: last year and hasn't had the strongest summer for the

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Speaker 7: Vikings with maybe a who you know, maybe not even

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Speaker 7: going to make the team or really kind of scratching

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Speaker 7: and calling for reps there. It feels very much like

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Speaker 7: a Womack thing from last year. I'm guessing he's kind

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Speaker 7: of insurance and maybe along the lines of like a.

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Speaker 5: Third or fourth cornerback.

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Speaker 7: But what I thought was really interesting with him is

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Speaker 7: he's not really got a ton of special teams experience,

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Speaker 7: so I was kind of curious about that if if

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Speaker 7: that's they're playing with him, or if he's actually supposed

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Speaker 7: to get playing time, or what they're going.

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Speaker 5: To do there.

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Speaker 4: Jack Arthur again, you can find his work locked on

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Speaker 4: Colts Great, Great Listen and SI. From a written standpoint,

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Speaker 4: one more on the corner front. You don't believe Juju

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Speaker 4: Brns is a cut candidate, do you?

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: You know, either of Samuel Wellmack or Juju Brnce. They

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Speaker 7: don't feel super safe. But if it was me, I'd

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Speaker 7: probably be more inclined to go with Juju over over Wollmack.

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Speaker 7: The problem with Juju obviously he's he's been hurt throughout

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Speaker 7: his first couple of years, but when he's on the field,

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Speaker 7: he's pretty good. And I think they've been getting him

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Speaker 7: trying to get him more reps on special teams to

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Speaker 7: kind of bring even more valuable value to the team

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Speaker 7: when he's not out there on defense.

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Speaker 5: I would say they would.

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Speaker 7: If it's between the two, I would probably lean more

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Speaker 7: into Juju.

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Speaker 5: Brent sticking around.

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Speaker 7: Womack, you know, with the injury, and it felt like

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Speaker 7: he was kind of battling for a spot to begin with.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you guys were there, you saw the injury

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Speaker 7: at cornerback. They you know, they gave Jonathan Edwards serious snaps.

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Speaker 7: They gave Alex Johnson serious snaps.

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Speaker 5: Wal Mack was not.

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Speaker 7: Always a guy that they just immediately threw right in

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Speaker 7: there to absorb those first team reps when other guys

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Speaker 7: went down.

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Speaker 4: How about offensively, pass catcher wasn't too difficult for me.

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Speaker 4: Feel free to go down the Jelaanni Woods route if

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Speaker 4: you were. If you want to running back a little

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Speaker 4: bit more of a question given the injuries Tyler Goodson

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Speaker 4: and Khalil Herbert. But what do you view offensively of

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Speaker 4: stuff you're curious about with cuts?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think with Goodson and Herbert, it's certainly that's

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Speaker 7: that's the big question, because I would think they'd only

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Speaker 7: keep three running backs. But you don't know to what

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Speaker 7: degree these guys are injured. Herbert's already been out a

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Speaker 7: couple of weeks, so he, you know, could be closer returning.

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Speaker 7: When we talked to Shane yesterday, I couldn't get a

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Speaker 7: great gauge on Goodson, Like, do you guys feel like

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Speaker 7: he was maybe an early ire candidate.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's it sounded like.

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Speaker 7: He was expected to be back within the first you know,

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Speaker 7: handful of weeks there in the regular season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, SOD did speak to Tyler Goodson. He told me

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Speaker 2: dislocated as left elbow, doesn't need surgery and was hoping

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Speaker 2: to get back early in the season. Now, I don't

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Speaker 2: know if that means, you know, he's an higher candidate

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Speaker 2: or not, but he's seen more games as the cut exactly.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, he seemed optimistic that he could be out

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Speaker 2: there within the first month of the season.

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Speaker 7: Okay, See, I mean, I mean, if they wanted to

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Speaker 7: play cautious with him. They could certainly throw him on

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Speaker 7: ir to begin and then have an extra roster spot there.

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Speaker 7: But then with the pass catchers, yeah, I think we're

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Speaker 7: all kind of in the same boat where we've got

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Speaker 7: Warren Moley, Cox Ogletree and Will Mallory, with Johnny Woods

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Speaker 7: kind of being the guy on the outside looking in.

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Speaker 7: I think he kind of accomplished everything he needed to

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Speaker 7: this summer, but it just wasn't enough to surpass Will Mallory.

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Speaker 7: And obviously he's you know, Woods has been going with

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Speaker 7: the twos and threes all summer.

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Speaker 5: Mallory has been with the.

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Speaker 7: Ones and twos, so you can kind of obviously tell

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Speaker 7: what they want there. And he's played a lot in

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Speaker 7: the preseason as well. If they could get him onto

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Speaker 7: the practice squad, they'd be great. But seeing as he

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Speaker 7: was healthy all summer and you know, made some plays,

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Speaker 7: I've got to imagine another team will probably try and

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Speaker 7: scoop him off.

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Speaker 5: Flavors Uh, Jake.

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Speaker 1: This is obviously a roster on defense that's being heavily

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Speaker 1: influenced by the new defensive coordinator, lou Anarroumo. In that light,

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Speaker 1: something we've talked about how many linebackers do you see

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Speaker 1: them even keeping on this roster.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, probably not many.

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Speaker 7: Definitely fewer than Augus Bradley defense I would have imagined.

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Speaker 7: And we've obviously kind of probed them about linebackers throughout

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Speaker 7: the offseason and they just have not really seemed all

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Speaker 7: that concerned.

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Speaker 5: I think I've got them with five.

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Speaker 7: Bachie, Franklin, Carlis mcgron, actually four, I guess Aloupi is

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Speaker 7: a guy that we obviously thought he was probably going

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Speaker 7: to be competing for, you know, a third linebacker spot

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Speaker 7: going into the summer.

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Speaker 5: But they haven't really been given him all that much.

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Speaker 5: They've been seeding really all.

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Speaker 7: That stuff to Bachie and mcgron and really often the

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Speaker 7: GK Carlis has been banged up as well. We'll see

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Speaker 7: how long he's out. I don't think they're going to

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Speaker 7: keep that many linebackers. There's probably almost never going to

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Speaker 7: be more than two.

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Speaker 5: On the field.

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Speaker 7: At the same time, we've seen them be very willing

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Speaker 7: to to use three safeties on the field at once.

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Speaker 7: It's kind of affected with Hunter Woller being out for

656
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Speaker 7: the year.

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Speaker 5: You lose a.

658
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Speaker 7: Little versatility there, But I still think they would be

659
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Speaker 7: more apt to use an extra defensive back than they

660
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Speaker 7: would be an extra linebacker.

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Speaker 2: So, Jake, I believe the last time I saw you, you

662
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Speaker 2: were telling me you had some scheduled conflicts and you

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Speaker 2: might not be able to make Chris Ballace press conference tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: So now we have you on the show. If you

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Speaker 2: had to ask him one or two questions in all seriousness,

666
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Speaker 2: and I would imagine they will get asked to some

667
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Speaker 2: degree from all of us in support of you and

668
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Speaker 2: in support of each other, trying to get real answers.

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Speaker 2: What would those questions be?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I imagine he's going to spend the first

671
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Speaker 7: twenty thirty minutes talking about the quarterback competition, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 7: I would just I'm just very curious about the validity

673
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Speaker 7: of the quarterback competition because I thought, you know, let's

674
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Speaker 7: say you thought Daniel Jones and Anthony Richardson was a

675
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Speaker 7: wash going through training campus. As how the competition went,

676
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Speaker 7: you know, Anthony I thought showed some growth. Now there's

677
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Speaker 7: obviously still some things he needs to improve.

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Speaker 5: Hon It's not like he had an.

679
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Speaker 7: Awesome summer, but it looked largely like he accomplished a lot.

680
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Speaker 5: Of the things they wanted him to, and I don't

681
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Speaker 5: know how.

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Speaker 7: Much more he could have proved, So Daniel Jones getting

683
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Speaker 7: the nod with you know, the reasoning mostly being that

684
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Speaker 7: he's just got this big mental catalog of stuff that

685
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Speaker 7: he's acquired over being a veteran, and he's better.

686
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Speaker 5: At the line and all that. Well, how could Anthony.

687
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Speaker 7: Have possibly you know, made up all that ground over

688
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Speaker 7: the course of the summer. It just it kind of

689
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Speaker 7: I think a lot of people are questioning how valid

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Speaker 7: the quarterback competition really was.

691
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Speaker 5: Because what more could Anthony had done and done?

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Speaker 7: So that's that's definitely one thing I would be curious about.

693
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Speaker 7: And then you know, if if they feel like they

694
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Speaker 7: might be playing it safe with Jones, because then I

695
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Speaker 7: think you would want Anthony to continue developing if he

696
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Speaker 7: was playing so was his base line of play just

697
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Speaker 7: not good enough to.

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Speaker 5: Be patient for his development throughout the year? Like do

699
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Speaker 5: you just think you can get this high four with Daniel.

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Speaker 7: Each week of the season that's going to be good

701
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Speaker 7: enough to get you into the playoffs? It's I would

702
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Speaker 7: just really like to see the look behind the curtain

703
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Speaker 7: of what they really think they're ceiling is this year

704
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Speaker 7: with Jones.

705
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Speaker 4: And Jake Arthur with us here SI dot com, where

706
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Speaker 4: you can find his work locked on. Colt straight listed

707
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Speaker 4: him and Zach Kix along with Eric Schultzen Allen think

708
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Speaker 4: it a little bit as well as they've expanded their coverage.

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Speaker 1: Jake, last one for me.

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Speaker 4: I threw this hypothetical with the guys about a half

711
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Speaker 4: hour ago. You probably signed a little bit more in

712
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Speaker 4: the Notre Dame camp, so I might change it up

713
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Speaker 4: a little bit here. Better chance Anthony Richardson is traded

714
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Speaker 4: today or Marcus Freeman's Irish win the national title this year?

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Speaker 7: Oof, I would say, I would say Irish. You know,

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Speaker 7: I don't as much as the Colts seem to be

717
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Speaker 7: averse to putting all their eggs in anthony basket, I

718
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Speaker 7: don't think they want to trade them either. I think

719
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Speaker 7: if they did trade him, it would have to be

720
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Speaker 7: a team approaching them with like an awesome offer. Because

721
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Speaker 7: we've heard from Chris dog before he wants to He

722
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Speaker 7: wants to honor their side of things and keep guys

723
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Speaker 7: in the house, you know, let them live out their

724
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Speaker 7: contracts and everything. If he's going to trade someone, he

725
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Speaker 7: wants it to be a good situation.

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Speaker 5: For that player.

727
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Speaker 7: He wants it to be right for the team as well.

728
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Speaker 7: He just he's not going to want to give guys

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Speaker 7: away for nothing. But at the same time, I think

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Speaker 7: they have kind of honored guys trade requests before. I mean,

731
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Speaker 7: there's been guys who have wanted out before, and as

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Speaker 7: long as it was reasonable and doesn't seem too toxic,

733
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Speaker 7: they've honored that.

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Speaker 5: So I still don't.

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Speaker 7: Really see Anthony being traded because at the same time,

736
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Speaker 7: Daniel Jones hasn't had the best bill of health about

737
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Speaker 7: his career, so something happens to him suddenly. Rightly, Leonard

738
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Speaker 7: is your quarterback, so you know, the Irish being on

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Speaker 7: the heels of a national title appearance and having the

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Speaker 7: best running back in the nation.

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Speaker 5: You know, quarterback situation seems to be looking up. I

742
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Speaker 5: like the Irish. Let's say you, Kevin Well.

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Speaker 4: I would agree. Jeff had a very quick audible groan

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Speaker 4: when I said that hypothetical to you was that your

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Speaker 4: skepticism of Notre Dame No.

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Speaker 1: I felt like we were being warmed up. When you've

747
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Speaker 1: originally asked the question about what Indiana make the Final

748
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Speaker 1: four this year, and now he's pivoted with you to

749
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Speaker 1: an the Dame, and I feel like it was a

750
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Speaker 1: long play setup by.

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Speaker 4: Kevin is what jac is much more than Notre Dame Phantom.

752
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Speaker 4: So just trying to play a little bit more to

753
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Speaker 4: Jake Arthur of.

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Speaker 5: The appreciate that he's using you.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Jake would I would agree with you. I thought

756
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Speaker 4: you really said the Richardson part very well. I would agree. Yeah,

757
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Speaker 4: it might sound weird to some people, but I don't

758
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Speaker 4: get the vibe that, like, you know, this is going

759
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Speaker 4: to be whatever any pick at Sam Hal I don't

760
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Speaker 4: know some of these quarterbacks that have moved here in

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Speaker 4: the last couple of days. So yes, I thought that

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Speaker 4: was very well said.

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Speaker 5: Well, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 7: I try to speak well for you guys today in

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Speaker 7: the morning.

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Speaker 1: Always going to talk to you and uh as I

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Speaker 1: said Jake Arthur locked on colts you can find out

768
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Speaker 1: anywhere podcasts can be found. You can read his stuff

769
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Speaker 1: at SI dot com. We appreciate a few minutes of

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Speaker 1: your time this morning. We'll be watching the wires with

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Speaker 1: you all day long.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: Hello, zach Ostraman joins us. Now you're laughing, but I'm laughing. Yes,

774
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Speaker 1: I'm laughing with you, not at you.

775
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Speaker 2: Now, I'm laughing at you.

776
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, Zach, are you laughing this morning? How are

777
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Speaker 1: things going for you?

778
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Speaker 5: You got if I'm laughing, But I can't complain.

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Speaker 1: Zach Ostraman joins us on the Payless Liquors Hotline cut

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Speaker 1: Down Day. Any any thing that you think could be

781
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Speaker 1: a surprise before it's all said and done.

782
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Speaker 6: Uh, you know, I probably haven't found it closely enough

783
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Speaker 6: to be honest.

784
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Speaker 5: I mean from the cutting down.

785
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Speaker 6: Yeah, the cutting down in my sport happens in the

786
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Speaker 6: winter for the most part.

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Speaker 4: Well, now there's actually a lot of cuts. College athletic

788
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Speaker 4: Zach Osmin from the Indie Star. Obviously, I you they're

789
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Speaker 4: gonna get ready here Old Dominion coming up this weekend,

790
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Speaker 4: Game one of year two of the Signetti era. Let's

791
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Speaker 4: just start with the Kurt Signetti personality, Zach. Obviously this

792
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Speaker 4: year or last year at this time, you know, he

793
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Speaker 4: went above and beyond from a talking standpoint. How would

794
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Speaker 4: you compare the Signetti bravado lead into year one to

795
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Speaker 4: what we've heard from him in those media sessions here

796
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Speaker 4: leading into year two on the same meter or maybe

797
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Speaker 4: not as full throttle.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I've writen about this.

799
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Speaker 6: I think other people have to. I think he's Listen,

800
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 6: there's there's an element to Signetti that that's just his personality,

801
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 6: Like he's not afraid to speak his mind, and he's

802
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Speaker 6: you know, he's confident, and he's willing to be sort

803
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Speaker 6: of publicly confident. But I don't know that he feels

804
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 6: that he's kind of got to you know, stir the

805
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 6: pot to get it to boil this year the way

806
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Speaker 6: that he did a year ago when he talked about

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Speaker 6: you know, especially in the preseason, and of course some

808
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 6: of what he says happens during the season, but a

809
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 6: lot more of that if you really think back to

810
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Speaker 6: his first twelve months, happens before the season starts in

811
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Speaker 6: terms of, you know, maybe just trying to kind of

812
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Speaker 6: get his his team on side a little bit more

813
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Speaker 6: than that, I think, get his fan base on side,

814
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 6: get his fan based kind of gended up, and you know,

815
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Speaker 6: really sort of you know, kind of believing in the

816
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Speaker 6: project and the and the you know, the process and

817
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 6: all those different kinds of things. You know, maybe he

818
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 6: gets his wings clipped a little bit with what he

819
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 6: says on game day before the Notre Dame game, but

820
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Speaker 6: then the flip side is he also comes out after

821
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Speaker 6: that game and says, hey, listen to better team one.

822
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Speaker 6: You know we got beat good today. That that you know,

823
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Speaker 6: he's not afraid to own it basically when when it

824
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 6: goes against him as well. I think I think more

825
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 6: of it is it's him knowing or him having the

826
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Speaker 6: confidence that his rosters, certainly, but maybe even more than that,

827
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Speaker 6: like its fan base is booster base, you know, his

828
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Speaker 6: athletics department, all those sort of constituencies nobody needs convinced

829
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 6: anymore nobody needs, you know, kind of sparks to life

830
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 6: in the same way because everybody can see what if

831
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Speaker 6: they buy into use the cliche the process, what the result.

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Speaker 5: Is, Zach.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, as you've laid out and in a terfect piece.

834
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. In the Indie Star, the title of it

835
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Speaker 2: being Indian football's monticipated season shows historic support. Yet who

836
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Speaker 2: just haven't changed. One thing that has changed is the

837
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Speaker 2: quarterback position. Fernando Mendoz is now QB one. How much

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Speaker 2: pressure do you think is on this guy to deliver?

839
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Speaker 2: And also just how good is he because he has

840
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Speaker 2: got some NFL rumblings.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, listen, there's there's certainly pressure to deliver.

842
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 6: It's you consider what Indiana got out of the quarterback

843
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 6: position a season ago. But I think that not that

844
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 6: Signetty's the ultimate QV whisper. But if you look at

845
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Speaker 6: his recent history, I mean his last four at least

846
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Speaker 6: his last four quarterbacks. I don't know if I can

847
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Speaker 6: go all the way back to his SCSGMU days, but

848
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Speaker 6: his last four quarterbacks involving transfers, and the first three

849
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 6: were all conference. You know, Toddson Tao was I think

850
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Speaker 6: Toddson Tao was Conference Player of the Year, Jordan McLoud

851
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 6: was Conference Player of the Year. Of course, Rourke didn't

852
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Speaker 6: quite get there last year, but he was second team

853
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 6: All Big Ten, and he was, you know, certainly considered

854
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 6: one of the best quarterbacks in the Big Ten, if

855
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 6: not in college football last season. And then you take

856
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Speaker 6: Trenanomondza to your point, he comes in with some NFL buzz.

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Speaker 6: I know, there are some things that you know, particularly

858
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Speaker 6: about the way he delivers the ball the NFL scouts like,

859
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Speaker 6: I mean, he's the guy that threw the three thousand

860
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Speaker 6: yards last season, and that was in front of an

861
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Speaker 6: offensive line that allowed forty one sacks.

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Speaker 5: So you know, you don't. It's ever that simple, but

863
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Speaker 5: there is at.

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Speaker 6: Least some element of imagine what he'll do in front

865
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Speaker 6: of a better offensive line, maybe with a little bit

866
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Speaker 6: more depth at the skill positions as well.

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Speaker 5: I think there's there's.

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Speaker 6: A lot of belief both in Mendoza and then also

869
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Speaker 6: in the process that Kurt Signetti Mike Shanahan who's been

870
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Speaker 6: his offensive coordinator for several years now, have to take

871
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Speaker 6: their offense and take whatever the you know, sort of

872
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Speaker 6: the the underlying principles of how they get the ball

873
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 6: of the perimeter, you know, RPO situations, things like that,

874
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 6: and fit them to a different every different quarterback strengths.

875
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 6: Because if you go back and look like Jordan McLoud

876
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 6: was a lot more mobile than Curtis Rourke. Of course

877
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 6: we had no idea Rourke was playing on a torn

878
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 6: acl through most of last season. But the point is

879
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 6: that's two different quarterbacks, that's two different ways of getting

880
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 6: offense moving down the field and in the end zone,

881
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 6: and the ultimate result is very very similar. I think there's,

882
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 6: like I said, belief in Mendoza and some of the

883
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 6: things that maybe he'll be able to again, particularly from

884
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 6: a mobility perspective, that Indiana just wasn't comfortable to it

885
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 6: the for Ork last season. But I also think that

886
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 6: there's there's also just leaf in the process that leads

887
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 6: Indiana to be able to put quarterbacks in really good

888
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 6: positions to succeed.

889
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: Zach Ostman, the Indie Star, joining us here talking about

890
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: some college football Indiana. You wrote earlier, I guess last

891
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: week that Indiana has become a straw man in the

892
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: Cold War over scheduling and the future of the playoff

893
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: to its own detriment. Could you expand on that for

894
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: us please?

895
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

896
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 6: I mean, basically Indiana has become and this this was

897
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 6: kind of recycled back into the news, and I don't

898
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 6: know how much more we need to hear about it

899
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 6: at this DIF from the SEC side, but I grewubbed

900
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 6: on there and then they don't let things easily in

901
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 6: the South sometimes, and it kind of got recycled back

902
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 6: into the news when the SEC announced it was going

903
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 6: to move to nine conference games. And essentially Indiana has

904
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 6: that's become in this season maybe goes back to last

905
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 6: season that critics of the way the playoffs is currently

906
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 6: want to sort of point Indiana say, well, look at

907
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 6: him play anybody a nine. When SEC team is better,

908
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 6: the SEC's that's that it is better. The SEC's process

909
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 6: is better. These are obviously unwinnable arguments because there is

910
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 6: no perfect way to sort of solve them. But Indiana

911
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 6: has kind of become the easy punching bag. And then

912
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 6: of course that spends forward this summer into the debates

913
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 6: of that Indiana's non conference scheduling philosophy cursing and he said,

914
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 6: he says it SEC media or victim media. He gives

915
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 6: a lot of people.

916
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 5: Down South riled up. And the point I.

917
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 6: Was trying to make is essentially Indiana doesn't have to

918
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 6: go on some extreme pr offensive here, but it does

919
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 6: need to recognize that where in the playoff conversation. And

920
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 6: I don't think it's unfair for Indiana to see itself

921
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 6: as a playoff contender. They were literally the playoff last

922
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 6: year until until they get far away from that, until

923
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 6: they get you know, until their cod starts proving he

924
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 6: can't hack it at that level, which is something Signetti

925
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 6: has roundly sort of disproven across the course of his career.

926
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 6: Indiana has got to think in those terms and with

927
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 6: those ambitions, and if they're going to do that. They've

928
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 6: got to recognize that fair or not perception in college

929
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 6: athletics is the thing, and Ohio State or Michigan's going

930
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 6: to get a pass that Indiana isn't. And certainly Georgia,

931
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 6: for example, which I believe plays in the non conference

932
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 6: Charlotte Austin p and I'm struggling to remember the third

933
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 6: team that isn't Georgia Tech. You know, certainly the kind

934
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 6: of Indiana is not going to get the pass that

935
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 6: a Georgia is going to get, or you know at all,

936
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 6: miss or whoever. And so the point I was trying

937
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 6: to make is just Indiana kind of needs to start

938
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 6: fighting its corner a little bit more on this unlessen

939
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 6: you know, some of that is solved naturally, particularly if

940
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 6: particularly just once the game start, because so much of

941
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 6: this is just like we're all desker for college football

942
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 6: and we don't have any yet, and so we're looking

943
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 6: for something to talk about. We're looking for something to

944
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 6: you know, something to sort of satisfy that appetite. But

945
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 6: if you're Indiana, you know, let's let's say Indiana gets

946
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 6: to selection Sunday in December ten and two and there's

947
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 6: an SEC team there at nine to three, Indiana is

948
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 6: gonna be fighting the perceptions around its history. It's non confidence, schedule,

949
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 6: things like that. There is an ability to kind of

950
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 6: go on the offensive a little bit more, and I

951
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 6: think Indiana, you know, maybe needs to consider doing that.

952
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 6: But in the same breath, I think everyone recognizes the

953
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 6: thing that speaks loudest as the results in the field.

954
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 6: And if Indiana goes out and let's see, what's city

955
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 6: win ten games, and you know one of them is

956
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 6: win at Iowa, the other ones a really impressive went

957
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 6: home against Illinois, then you know, maybe maybe you read

958
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 6: the may does speak a little bit more for itself.

959
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 6: It's just it's sort of it's sort of saying, if

960
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 6: Indiana is going to be a playoff contender, and it

961
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 6: has every right to think of itself as one, because

962
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 6: again it was in the playoffs literally nine months ago,

963
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 6: then it needs to act that way when it comes

964
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 6: to public messaging, when it comes to the way that

965
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 6: it defends itself against criticism, all thost different kinds of things.

966
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 4: It's been a value beat since I was an undergrad

967
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 4: down there. He does great, great work and someone I

968
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 4: admired back in the day. That Zach Ostman from the

969
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 4: Indianapolis Star, Zach, if we could shift gears to basketball,

970
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 4: it's pretty rare, honestly, but welcome to today's day and

971
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 4: age where we ask more football questions in basketball when

972
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 4: it comes to Indiana University Darren Devrees and the Puerto

973
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 4: Rico trip, grand takeaways, They're going to shoot a bunch

974
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 4: of threes, and maybe some questions about defending teams that

975
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 4: are bigger. Is that too simple of takeaways you think

976
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 4: about the three games down there, Yeah.

977
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 6: No, I think I mean, listen, I think you could

978
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 6: see Indiana was going to be a much more sort

979
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 6: of three point shooting, bend offense just by both the

980
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 6: region's history and the way that he constructed this roster.

981
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 6: I think I think from Indiana's perspective, there's also again,

982
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 6: if you want to look at the way this roster

983
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 6: was constructed, there has been since kind of it all

984
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 6: came together a pretty clear sort of hole in the

985
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 6: sort of rim protection and rebounding sort of aspect. Now, listen,

986
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 6: the flip side is you can go too far in

987
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 6: the other direction, and we can argue that maybe Indiana's

988
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 6: done a little bit of that in the last couple

989
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 6: of years that you're never the Blanke's never going to

990
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 6: cover up over every single potential shortcoming or weakness. You

991
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 6: only get thirteen scholarships in fifteen spots, so you're always

992
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 6: going to have to give and take somewhere. And Indiana,

993
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 6: you know, could do different things to maybe mitigate the

994
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 6: size disadvantage. Of course, there will be nice when the

995
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 6: threes don't fall. I think you saw certainly some of

996
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 6: the excuse me, some of the pace that the Breeze

997
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 6: talked about that in Puerto Rico. Now that was those

998
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 6: games are played with a twenty four second shot clock,

999
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 6: so they were naturally going to be faster. But you

1000
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 6: could just see Indiana really emphasizing not just let's get

1001
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 6: the rebound and throw it up the floor as fast

1002
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 6: as we can, but more, you know, pace in terms

1003
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 6: of multiple bodies getting down the floor, getting into a

1004
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 6: you know, a secondary transition offense that's meant to create

1005
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 6: a shot. Even if it's not literally a transition opportunity,

1006
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 6: it is it is something that capitalizes on a defense

1007
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 6: as disorganization, as it's recovering down the floor to create

1008
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 6: another opportunity. I think you see, you know, it's.

1009
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 5: A very experienced team.

1010
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 6: And I know that sounds simplistic, but I think a

1011
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 6: lot of people are going to look at them and

1012
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 6: you know, kind of I think I think Alas Maskbo

1013
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 6: is looking at Indiana as brand new, which is fair

1014
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 6: because they haven't spent a lot of time together. But

1015
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 6: there is just a lot of pure college ball minutes, games, shots, rebounds, assists,

1016
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 6: whatever on that roster, and so I think you could

1017
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 6: see some of that experience manifest itself, especially in those

1018
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 6: those two comeback wins. And I think, listen, I mean,

1019
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 6: if you want the simplistic way I would, I would

1020
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 6: boil it down. It would basically be Indiana should get

1021
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 6: as much credit for its comebacks as it should get

1022
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 6: criticism for the reasons that it had to come back

1023
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 6: and the ways that it got itself into those holes.

1024
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 6: I think, you know, it probably something that maybe we

1025
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 6: didn't talk as much about on that trip. I didn't

1026
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 6: think Indiana started any of those three games particularly well,

1027
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 6: and that's reflected a lot more in the two games

1028
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 6: against Mega Supervet. But I think that's that's something that

1029
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 6: Dereez has got to kind of think about, because you're

1030
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 6: obviously in a thirty second shot clock World not going

1031
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 6: to get the pace of the games to affect that

1032
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 6: kind of comeback in the same way. But in general,

1033
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 6: I thought you saw some promising things from India. I

1034
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 6: thought you recognized too that those games were not Indiana's

1035
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 6: greatest priority. I think that at the end of the day,

1036
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 6: what Debris wanted out of that tour more than anything

1037
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 6: else was the ten practices leading up where he could

1038
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,439
Speaker 6: have his whole team on the floor together for full

1039
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 6: practices of instruction and installation and you know, just just

1040
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 6: working through a lot of different things so that when

1041
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 6: the games do start mattering, the terminology is second hand,

1042
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 6: the chemistry between players is a lot stronger, and so

1043
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 6: I think it's there's also probably an element of trying

1044
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 6: not to read too much into those games, because I mean,

1045
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 6: it wouldn't shock me if Indiana was at the beach

1046
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 6: the morning of, you know, the Saturday game, the Saturday

1047
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 6: night game, for example. I don't think Debris was actively

1048
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 6: trying to lose the games, but I don't think he

1049
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 6: will have wanted the games to be so all consuming

1050
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 6: that he didn't get other, you know, benefits, his team

1051
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 6: didn't get other benefits from the trip as well, so

1052
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 6: you know it was. It was an interesting first look.

1053
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 6: I think Indiana still got a lot to improve on,

1054
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 6: but I think it gives Debres and his staff a

1055
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 6: lot to shoe on, you know, over these next few

1056
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 6: weeks as they build up towards the proper preseason.

1057
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: A Hi, Zach, thanks so much. Get ready and buckle

1058
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 1: yourself in for old Dominion Kennesaw State in Indiana State

1059
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: over the next three weeks. Good luck, I'll do it.

1060
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me as always