1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:00,800 Speaker 1: Okay. 2 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 2: I know I've said this earlier today, but I think 3 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 2: it begs repeating because we have people coming in and 4 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 2: out of the program throughout the three hours. If you 5 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: don't try to kill a law enforcement agent, there's a 6 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: good chance they won't kill you. 7 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: Pretty simple, I mean really like I know that. 8 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: Then maybe some people think that's an oversimple simplification, but 9 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 2: law enforcement is there to do a job. Trust me, 10 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 2: most of them don't want to be dealing with you 11 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: as much as you don't want to be dealing with them. 12 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: I remember this years ago. This may surprise you, Ethan. 13 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: But I I consumed a lot of alcohol in my twenties, 14 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 2: and much of that alcohol was consumed and broad Ripple. 15 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: Not as much as me. 16 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 2: Yes, I never I never had nerve damage from my 17 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: alcohol consumption. But I remember one time, this was maybe 18 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 2: like two in the morning, and I'm sitting there observing 19 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 2: some of the stuff going on, and I'm watching the 20 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: law enforcement offics. It used to be that they would 21 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 2: just line the main strip there and Broad Ripple with 22 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 2: police cars effective like you know, midnight one am, and 23 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: you know, the show of law enforcement generally generally stopped 24 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 2: people from otherwise engaging behavior the otherwise might have been 25 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: a menace to the general public, But there were still 26 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 2: people who just couldn't quite get the memo right and 27 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: somehow found themselves in the back of a patty wagon. 28 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 2: And I remember I would see this stuff that the 29 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 2: law enforcement would let go. And I remember having a 30 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 2: conversation one time with the IMPD officer and he basically 31 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 2: said he said to me, he said, look, we don't 32 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 2: want to be here, and we don't want to be 33 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: doing this, but our job is to be here doing this, 34 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: and our primary objective is to go home to our families. 35 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: And unless you're doing something really egregious, we're going to 36 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: give you every opportunity to not spend. 37 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: The evening behind bars. 38 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 2: Like you've got to really try to piss us off 39 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 2: enough that we then have to deal with. 40 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: Process, arresting and processing you. 41 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: And I feel like that is the way most law 42 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 2: enforcement officers try to deal with everything, is that they 43 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: don't want to be dealing with you like you think 44 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 2: of it, like you're out pouring down rain. You think 45 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 2: some state trooper wants to pull you over and get 46 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 2: out of their car and get doused with what No, 47 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 2: they're doing their job, and and people have every right 48 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: to not like rules or laws or regulations. 49 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: They should fight those things that they don't like, but 50 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: fight them in course. 51 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I'm saying, that you're not gonna win 52 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: anything by fighting if a law enforcement officer, be they 53 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: your your local police department, or a state trooper or 54 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 2: a federal ice agent, because they're going to find a 55 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 2: way to. 56 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: Do their job, and. 57 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 2: If you use force against them, they not only will 58 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 2: but are justified in using force back against you. 59 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: This is not a hard. 60 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 2: Concept, and for some reason, so many people in our 61 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 2: society cannot figure this out based on all the available 62 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 2: facts that we have at our disposal right now, and 63 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: certainly more information may come to light. It's always possible. 64 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: But there were multiple camera angles that were surrounding this 65 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 2: law enforcement interaction, and from the facts on the ground 66 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 2: that I can see, this woman had three distinct opportunities 67 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: to avert apparel that she placed herself in. First of all, 68 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 2: she blocked traffic and blocked ice officers from performing their duties. 69 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: Had she never. 70 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: Chosen to block traffic, she would have never had cause 71 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: to interact with these officers. 72 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: You're right, you don't not even catch up. But you're right. 73 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: I want to just tell you you're you're right. You 74 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: don't own the road. 75 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: The road is not yours to impede, Like if you 76 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 2: have a you know, sometimes people get a protesting permit 77 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: or whatever, and people then can do whatever the city 78 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 2: tells him they can do. This woman did not have that. 79 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: She made a choice and she was breaking the law. 80 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 2: So that was the first opportunity. The second opportunity upon 81 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: blocking traffic and she was being approached by law enforcement 82 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 2: officers who then proceeded to give her a lawful command 83 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 2: to exit the vehicle that she then refused to comply with. 84 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 2: That was the second opportunity to avert peril if she 85 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 2: had merely complied with the lawful orders being given to 86 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 2: her by. 87 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: Law enforcement officials. 88 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: And the third and final opportunity, and the most pivotal one, 89 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 2: is if she had never driven her vehicle, which was 90 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: surrounded by law enforcement officers, in the direction of law 91 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: enforcement officers, then she could have averted peril. However, all 92 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 2: three of those opportunities she blew past them, and she 93 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 2: assumed responsibility for the peril that she placed herself and 94 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 2: others in. If you play stupid games. You will win 95 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 2: stupid prizes every single time. So Christy Nomes, she is 96 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: at Homeland Security, right, that's her title. She explained yesterday. 97 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 2: Why ICE is in Minnesota, Imagine this ethan. It's to 98 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: enforce the law. 99 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 3: Good in communities across this country and here in Minneapolis, 100 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 3: we're just enforcing the laws that we have in this country. 101 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 3: For years, under President Biden, tens of millions of dangerous 102 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 3: criminal illegal aliens, terrorists, and suspected terrorists were allowed to 103 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 3: invade our country over our southern border. They were allowed 104 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 3: to steal, to defraud, and to perpetuate violence against American citizens. 105 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 3: Regardless of who your mayor or who your governor is. 106 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 3: President Trump promised every single American that he would make 107 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 3: America safe again. He promised every single American that he 108 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 3: would work to protect them from dangerous criminals. Since Governor 109 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 3: Walls has been in charge of Minnesota, we have seen 110 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 3: homicides go up by over fifty percent. That's also during 111 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,799 Speaker 3: Mayor FRI's tenure as well. Since President Trump took office, 112 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 3: Governor Walls has released over four hundred and seventy violent 113 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 3: criminals back onto the streets here in Minneapolis. He has 114 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 3: another six hundred and eighty of them still within his 115 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 3: jurisdiction that he could give to us today to face 116 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 3: the consequences for their crimes. Because Governor Walls and Mayor 117 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 3: Fry refuse to protect Minnesotan's and instead they protect these criminals. 118 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 3: That's why we are here. 119 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 2: Don't break the law. If you are breaking the law, 120 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 2: or if you're not, and a law enforcement officer tells 121 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 2: you to do something, you do it. If they're in 122 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: the wrong, there are certainly mechanisms by which you can 123 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 2: challenge that, and I would encourage you to do so 124 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 2: if you believe a law enforcement officer has wronged you 125 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 2: or broken the law. But you're never going to win 126 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 2: fighting them period, much less trying to run one of 127 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 2: them over. 128 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: Why would you think you're going to get anything much 129 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: shot if you're trying to run somebody over the. 130 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 2: Time to prosecute these interactions with law enforcement officials that 131 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 2: you believe to be unlawful and their nature is not 132 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: on the scene. 133 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: It's in a courtroom. 134 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 2: And if more people would understand and accept that a 135 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 2: situ as just a fact of reality, then they would 136 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 2: not be endangering themselves. Hakim Jeffrey's Democrat leader in the House, 137 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: though clearly intent on snatching defeat or victory rather from 138 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: the jaws of defeat. Is that right either way? Snatching 139 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 2: defeat from the jaws of victory? Yes, that's right, Thank you, Ah, 140 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: I got you back. My part on this is the 141 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: Democrats appear to have should be having momentum based on 142 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: people being frustrated the various things going on in the country. 143 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: And all you got to do is basically keep your 144 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 2: mouth shut and hope that people use the election as 145 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 2: an indictment on the Trump administration and not following through 146 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: on the affordability, cost of living, et cetera. But then 147 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 2: they can't help themselves and they go out and I'm 148 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 2: going to play this audio for you where they're now 149 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 2: making Ice out to be the bad guy and the 150 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 2: app rich person. 151 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: Again. 152 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 2: I say this all the time about what's going on 153 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: here in Indiana. People hate those spending by the Indiana Republicans, 154 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: they hate the bad government by the Indiana Republicans, they 155 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: hate the high taxes by the Indiana Republicans. But then 156 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 2: they listen to the Democrats and they go, no, I 157 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: can't let that insanity run my society. 158 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: I'll just pay more and be pissed off about it. 159 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 2: And here's Hakim Jefferys doing it again, saying this rogue 160 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: ice agent, as he calls him, should be criminally investigated. 161 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 4: There's no evidence that has been presented to justify the 162 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 4: shooting of an unarmed woman resulting in her unnecessary death. 163 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 4: Christy Nolm, the so called Secretary of Homeland Security, is 164 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 4: a stone cold liar who has zero credibility on this 165 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 4: issue or on any other issue. 166 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: And what we need, as I believe the. 167 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 4: Governor has indicated, is a full and complete investigation. This 168 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 4: rogue ice agent who pulled the trigger should be criminally 169 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 4: investigated to the full extent of the law, including for 170 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 4: demonstrating a depraved indifference to human life. 171 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: That's crazy, Ethan. 172 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 2: That is the leader of the Democrats in the House 173 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 2: of Representatives. If he'll be the speaker. If the Republicans 174 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: love the House, that'll be the speaker. That's also an 175 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 2: incredibly dishonest take to say that she was unarmed when 176 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 2: she was attempting to use a five thousand pound vehicle 177 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: as a battering ram. 178 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: That would be that would be a deadly weapon. 179 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 2: Yes, that does yes, when you are driving a car, 180 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 2: you were always armed. You always have the ability to 181 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 2: kill somebody. These people are just and and. 182 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: They're un serious. They're liars, they're dishonest brokers. 183 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 2: And I was talking with Kerry Hamilton, State rep Democrat 184 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: from Indianapolis earlier because she was we were talking about 185 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 2: the tolling and or by the way, we're gonna Niki 186 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 2: Kelly's going to join us next from the Capitol Chronicle 187 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: and we'll get into more on the tolling and not saying, 188 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 2: you know, there's no money for these three hundred plus 189 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 2: road projects, but we've got plenty of money for the 190 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 2: Bronze pet Mid State's Corridor. We'll get it all though, 191 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 2: Nikki Kelly next. But when we were talking with Kerry Hamilton, 192 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 2: I said this, and I said, you guys have to 193 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: get your act together and be normal because the Republicans 194 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 2: are bad at governing because they know they can be 195 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 2: because you guys won't get your act together and be normal, 196 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 2: and we get stuck with the bad governance because the 197 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: Democrats make themselves irrelevant. 198 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: Why can't you be normal? It's like that lady from 199 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: the Baba Duke. Yeah, we'll take a break. Nikki Kelly 200 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: joins us. 201 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 2: Next Kelly Casey Show ninety three WIBC oh it could 202 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 2: be the Pennsylvania Turnpike. 203 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: Indianas early morning. 204 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 2: So the Indiana Legislative session has begun, lots. 205 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: Of moving parts. Said, it is moving quick. Let's get 206 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: to the bottom of some of the stuff that's going on. 207 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: Joining us once again, she's one of the best in 208 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: the business. 209 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 2: Nicki Kelly from the Indiana Capitol Chronicle joins us now Nikki. 210 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: Kelly, Hello, Hello, all. 211 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 2: Right, So you guys had an amazing expose that we 212 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 2: talked about it at Lake yesterday on this end dot 213 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 2: hearing in front of Transportation in the House and how 214 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 2: they have basically said we're running short on funds and 215 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 2: they're going to either cancel or delay three hundred projects. 216 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, they've already canceled or delayed more than three hundred. 217 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 5: That was as of last year. It's much more than 218 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 5: that now. They didn't have the exact number during the hearing, 219 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 5: but lawmakers seemed pretty concerned about that many projects being impacted. 220 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: How like, is the economy that bad? Did they budget wrong? 221 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 2: Why is this happening? 222 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 5: I think a lot of it is inflation, of prices, 223 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 5: so maybe projects that they had planned, you know, what 224 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 5: they cost in the original estimate is not what it was. Also, 225 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 5: the continual issue that we've had with gas access that 226 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 5: as cars are more fuel efficient, people buy left gas. 227 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 5: And so those two things together are putting a crunch 228 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 5: in the. 229 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: Middle of this article. And this was the most interesting 230 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: part to me. 231 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 2: Jim Prussell, he is the head of transportation in the House. 232 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 2: He starts asking about this Mid States Corridor project, which 233 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 2: is this, you know, this big plan to connect sixty 234 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 2: four to sixty nine. We've been talking a lot about 235 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 2: it because the people in du Bois County are outraged 236 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 2: over it. Brought this poll showing they had brought us 237 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 2: this high disapproval rating down there. He even said, what 238 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 2: are we doing with this? If we don't have money 239 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 2: to fund these other projects, why are we keeping this 240 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 2: thing going? 241 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, the fascinating interchange. And there was another lawmaker also 242 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 5: who said, you know, I thought that the thing was 243 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 5: we maintain what we have. First, we improve what we had, 244 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 5: and the last thing should be building brand new roads. 245 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 5: We're clearly not maintained what we have, and so I 246 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 5: think that's the discussion they're having is why are we 247 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 5: talking about a billion dollar road that, by the way, 248 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 5: is pretty unpopular down south, you know, when we can't 249 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 5: do what we already have. 250 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 2: Nikki Keller from the Indiana Capitol Chronicle joins us, Now, so, 251 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 2: did INDO have an answer for that on why they're 252 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 2: going forward with this plan to build a road, as 253 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 2: you said, when all these other projects can't take place. 254 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 5: No, I mean basically just said they're still I mean 255 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 5: they're doing environmental studies and things like that. I will 256 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 5: point out that, obviously this is Governor Miike Bron's administration, 257 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 5: but this project began way back I think in like 258 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 5: twenty seventeen. I mean, it's been discussed in some manner 259 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 5: since like two thousand. I think it got sort of 260 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 5: the name and all that the Mid States Quarter back 261 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 5: in two seventeen or eighteen. So this has been, you know, 262 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 5: on in dots radar for much longer than Governor Mike 263 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 5: Bron's tenure. 264 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: Okay. 265 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 2: The other part of this now, and you guys have 266 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 2: written about this amongst others, is that there is now 267 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 2: the broad administration is moving forward with this plan to toll 268 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 2: I seventy. 269 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: What do we know about it? 270 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, we finally got them to admit it on the record. 271 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 5: We've asked for this tolling application, they refuse to give 272 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 5: it to us. You know, I think that's something the 273 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 5: public deserves to see if we're asking another government for 274 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 5: a specific plan. But yeah, they've asked to plan ICE seventy. 275 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 5: We have no idea. Is it border to border? What 276 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 5: would the race be? I mean that is all sort 277 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 5: of under discussion both the federal government. But I do think, 278 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 5: you know, it's fair to start. I think that Hoosiers 279 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 5: deserve to know at least what the initial proposal was 280 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 5: from the Abron administration. 281 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 2: So they're not telling anybody, like where on I seventy 282 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: Is it the whole stretch of the whole state? 283 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: Is it a one corridor? Is that you'd like? Nothing? 284 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: They're not giving any information on this. 285 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 5: No, not at all. 286 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: Do they have a. 287 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 2: Reason for that, Like is there is it like Nixon 288 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 2: where I got a plan to get out of Vietnam, 289 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 2: But you got to you know, elect me to let 290 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: me know, Like why wouldn't they want people to know that? 291 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 5: I mean the general discussions we've had are just that 292 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 5: they feel that it's more deliberative and things could change, 293 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 5: and I understand that anything can happen in government work, 294 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 5: but you know, I do think the starting point should 295 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 5: be known. 296 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 2: Now you have ironclad memory, so you'll have to help 297 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: me on this. But I recall last year when we 298 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 2: were talking about this, that they the legislature where they 299 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 2: passed this provision to just essentially give the governor car 300 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 2: blanche on the tolling. 301 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: Said, well, this is years down the road. It's not 302 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: going to happen for a while. 303 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: This is just when it does happen, he doesn't have 304 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 2: to go through us. 305 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: It seems like they're moving very quickly on this. 306 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 5: Well. I think it might be partly because of the 307 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 5: funding crunch we're seeing right. You know, Totland would bring 308 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 5: in money to maintain the roads we have, and then 309 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 5: you free up so that maybe we don't have to 310 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 5: cancel as many projects, you know, as they are doing now. 311 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 2: The beautiful thing for me, Nicki Kelly, since we're in 312 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 2: our new studios, I don't need I seventy anymore. Sixty 313 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 2: five is my new preferred route. So as long as 314 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 2: they stay away from sixty five, we're going to be 315 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 2: just fine. 316 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 5: I use I sixty five every day too, it has. 317 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 2: NICKI Kel from the Indiana Capital Chronicle joins US legislative 318 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 2: session back in full force. So tell us about this 319 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 2: interesting proposal to change the way we do the death 320 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: penalty in Indiana. 321 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, the state has had trouble procuring the 322 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 5: letho injection drugs, and not only that, when we do 323 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 5: procure them, they're very expensive, up to three hundred thousand 324 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 5: dollars a dose. They also expire pretty quickly, so we've 325 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 5: spent money that is basically just been wasted because they've expired. 326 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 5: I mean, you know how court systems go. You can 327 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 5: buy a couple doses in hopes that you'll be able 328 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 5: to use it on cases, but the cases take a 329 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 5: while to move through the court system. So the bill 330 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 5: would allow firing squad as an all alternatives if the 331 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 5: state cannot procure them, or the condemned person can choose 332 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 5: the firing squad if they want. 333 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: How did the hearing go? 334 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 2: I saw obviously, like Mike Young was was there testifying 335 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 2: like is this a thing that's going to move forward 336 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 2: or is this a doa we'll deal with it in 337 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 2: future years sort of thing. 338 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 5: I think it's got some decent momentum. I think there 339 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 5: were obviously some questions about the humaneness of it. I mean, 340 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 5: what if the person doesn't die immediately? And there were 341 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 5: some comparisons to the electric chair, and we stopped using 342 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 5: the electric chair because sometimes it didn't work, and that 343 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 5: was considered crue with an unusual punishment. So there's some 344 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 5: concern about that. There are only I think four other 345 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 5: states who have it on the books. I think it's 346 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 5: only been used once or twice in the modern era, 347 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 5: of course, and so I think it's an interesting discussion 348 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 5: that I think will definitely continue. 349 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: A couple I love with India. 350 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 2: Niki Keller from the Indian account Little Chronicle Indiana Capitol 351 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 2: Chronicle dot com tell us about this doxing bill. Obviously, 352 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 2: this was a huge deal a couple months ago with 353 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 2: these lawmakers voting on redistrict thing and these threats coming 354 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 2: to their houses, and now they're trying to address some 355 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 2: of that. 356 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, they want to criminalize doxing or the posting of 357 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 5: personal information, you know, anywhere email, it's not just on 358 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 5: the internet. If you email it or whatever, and you're 359 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 5: trying to threaten someone. My confusion, I don't have any 360 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 5: problem with that doxing is obviously pretty terrible, but a 361 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 5: lot of the discussion in the hearing personally was about 362 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 5: the slotting and bomb threat those are already illegal. I 363 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 5: would love to see an example of doxing. You know 364 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 5: that this would actually impact because you have to put 365 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 5: the personal information out there and threaten them, so that 366 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 5: that would be the basis of the bill. I think 367 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 5: they're going to tighten up some language in there. It 368 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 5: involved also bringing in you know, threatening your family or 369 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 5: things like that, but it went as far as your 370 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 5: co workers, and so I think you're going to tighten 371 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 5: down a little bit of who all could be impacted. 372 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because one of the things with these guys 373 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 2: and girls as part of an being elected official is 374 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 2: their addresses our public record. 375 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: I mean, the public has a right to know this. 376 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 2: So you're right, they really got to get more on 377 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 2: this because there are certain things the public's allowed to 378 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 2: know and have information on and it's not illegal to 379 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 2: post that out there. 380 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 5: Right And if someone just post saying, hey, you know 381 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 5: this person voted against the bill, here's their address, is 382 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 5: that a threat? I mean, how explicit does it have 383 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 5: to be? There was definitely going to be some you 384 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 5: know subjectivity in the bill. 385 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 2: Real quick, before I let you go on the docsing 386 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 2: had state police and everybody said anything to you guys about 387 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 2: the investigations into this. Has anybody been caught? It doesn't 388 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 2: seem like there's been any movement on this. 389 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 5: No, at this point, we had numerous bomb threat swabbing 390 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 5: attempts with not a single arrest. You know, last time 391 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 5: we checked in with them, they said they're complicated cases 392 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 5: and they're definitely working hard on it. I think part 393 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 5: of it is probably a lot of these probably involved 394 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 5: phone records or Internet records, and you know, sometimes subpoenas 395 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 5: to get that information back takes a while. That's a 396 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 5: little bit of speculation on my point. But yeah, definitely, 397 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 5: for the amount of press it got for not a 398 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 5: single arrest who have happened so far, it's pretty interesting. 399 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: She is one of the best in the business. 400 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 2: Everybody should only bookmark that very fabulous website, read it 401 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,479 Speaker 2: every day. It's a big part of our show. Indiana 402 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,959 Speaker 2: Capitol Chronicle, Nikki Kelly, thank you, thanks Rom. Yeah, it's 403 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 2: ketel a Casey Show ninety three WIBC Okay so Ethan 404 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 2: and I had an interesting conversation during the break, and 405 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 2: I thought it would be like valuable to the masses 406 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 2: by that it's Casey Jomrov. Casey's out, Ethan Hatcher's in 407 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 2: for Casey Kevis here. You know, one of the things 408 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 2: that Trump has done a lot of things well in 409 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 2: the first year. I think you and I would agree 410 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 2: that the border is infinitely better. I think we would 411 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 2: agree his fight to get people that are legally in 412 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 2: this country is out of the country is infinitely better. 413 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 2: Try to put some level of safeguards around people legally 414 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 2: coming into this country is infinitely better. And I think 415 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 2: by and large, people not looking at America as a joke. 416 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 2: He always there. America is not as respected under Trump. No, 417 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 2: America's feared under Trump, and I want America to be feared. 418 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 2: I think all of those things are much better under 419 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 2: Donald Trump. However, the thing that he will probably be 420 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 2: judged by when the election rolls around, and the issue 421 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 2: that got him elected, I don't think he's done a 422 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 2: very good job at ethan, which is this rising cost 423 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: of basics when it comes to living people living there 424 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 2: to day lives. Yeah, that's very correct, especially in the 425 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 2: case of insurance. But that's not entirely Donald Trump's fault, 426 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 2: because this system was screwed up as soon as the 427 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 2: so called Affordable Healthcare Act better known as Obamacare, was 428 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 2: passed back in what was it, twenty nine, twenty ten. Yeah, 429 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 2: but you know the deal, and you're absolutely right. The 430 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 2: Obamacare has done nothing to make insurance more affordable. It 431 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 2: was all a big lie. Everybody with the IQ of 432 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 2: thirteen or above knew it was a lie. It has 433 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 2: done nothing to reign in the cost of healthcare. It's 434 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 2: just made insurance companies very rich. But you know as 435 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: well as I do, the people who are in charge 436 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 2: get both the credit and the blame. 437 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: And when you couple. 438 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 2: The fact that basic necessities, the cost of living appear 439 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 2: to be continuing to rise, and outside of the stock market, 440 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 2: which for some reason, the stock market continues to do 441 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 2: very very well, I don't think main Street is doing 442 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: all that great. I don't think the day to day 443 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 2: buying power of Americans is doing all that great. And 444 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 2: then when you couple that with the basic the rising 445 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 2: cost of basic necessities, which are about to get into 446 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 2: with you here in a second, I just don't think 447 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 2: it's going to be a great sales pitch for him 448 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 2: this fall that he hasn't delivered on that key thing. Well, 449 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 2: and I will add that Donald Trump does assume some 450 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 2: level of responsibility for the current state of Obamacare, because 451 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 2: the Republicans. 452 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: Were a hair's breadth away. 453 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 2: From repealing the entire damn lawn rebuilding it from the 454 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 2: ground up, were it not for the personality conflict that 455 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 2: he had gotten into with John McCain, who became the 456 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 2: deciding vote and despite his antipathy toward Obamacare, he hated 457 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 2: Donald Trump more and apparently didn't care about the American 458 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 2: people enough to do the right thing and became the 459 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 2: thumb down to the deciding vote. 460 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. 461 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 2: And again, Republicans have talked for fifteen years about repealing Obamacare, 462 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 2: and how many times have they had the opportunity to 463 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 2: do it, either to control of the House or the Senate, 464 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 2: or in some cases both and the presidency and they've 465 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 2: done nothing with it. But one of the things you 466 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 2: were telling me was because we went through this here 467 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 2: at work where they basically had a thirty percent rise 468 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 2: in insurance cost and people such as myself were like, Okay, 469 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 2: can't really absorb that. I'm gonna have to downgrade this insurance, 470 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 2: hope for the best, you know whatever. But you were saying, 471 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 2: because you, as a small business owner, buy your insurance 472 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 2: on the open market. Correct through AM Better? What the 473 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 2: hell is AM Better? AM Better is the company? Oh? 474 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: Okay? So, like, is there a website? How does it 475 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: explain to me how it works? 476 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 2: I think so many people hear about Obamacare the marketplace 477 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 2: or like, is there a website? 478 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: How does it work? 479 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 2: You know, it's been so long since I've actually got 480 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 2: had to use the marketplace. I got AM Better going 481 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 2: on eight or nine years ago, and I've just kept 482 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 2: the same plan parked since I got it from the 483 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 2: Obamacare marketplace the first time. It has been more judicious 484 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 2: for me, I think, and just simpler to keep the 485 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 2: same plan. I have basic health coverage. I have a 486 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 2: dental and vision included. Okay, And you were so you're 487 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 2: not some Cadillac plan right now? Can't afford the Cadillact plan. 488 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 2: I can barely afford the basic plan. 489 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: Yeah it. 490 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 2: It went shot up this past November by one hundred dollars. 491 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 2: That's twelve hundred extra dollars a year just going to 492 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 2: this very basic plan, right spending about fifty five hundred 493 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 2: dollars a year now just on healthcare. And you know, 494 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 2: I can think of many things that I would rather 495 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 2: be spending five thousand dollars a year on. Could buy 496 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 2: a pretty nice phonograph for five thousand dollars, that's for sure. Yeah, okay, 497 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 2: so that was my You got ahead of me there, 498 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 2: which is you told me you were paying three hundred 499 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 2: and fifty dollars a month, yes, as a single guy, 500 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 2: for basic health insurance, and now I'm paying four hundred 501 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 2: and fifty dollars a month. It went up change, it 502 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 2: went up four hundred, It went up to four hundred 503 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 2: and fifty dollars a month, one hundred dollars a month increase. 504 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,479 Speaker 2: And this is part of what I come back to. 505 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 2: Like when you look at things like the cost rising 506 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 2: cost of food, or in this case, health insurance, or mortgages, 507 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 2: all of the or homeowner's insurance, all of these things 508 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 2: are costing people not just a little more, a lot more, 509 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,239 Speaker 2: and you're not getting anything better for it, whether it's 510 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 2: at the grocery store or the house you're living in, 511 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 2: or in this case. 512 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: Your health insurance. 513 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 2: All of this money is evaporating and for most people, 514 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 2: their salaries are not keeping up with the rising cost 515 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 2: of basic goods, which is diluting the buying power of Americans. 516 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 2: And you can trace this line directly back to Obama, 517 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,199 Speaker 2: who promised that pre existing conditions would be covered. And 518 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 2: so everyday, average hardworking Americans with very minimal health problems, 519 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 2: if any, are now subsidizing the cost of other individuals. 520 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 2: And this was something that Obama knew about. This was 521 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 2: something that Democrats knew about, and they included subsidies in 522 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 2: the insurance programs from the federal government. So you're just 523 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 2: paying the taxes in another form, but to help defer 524 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 2: the upfront and immediate cost of those services in the 525 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 2: form of insurance. And those subsidies were allowed to elapse 526 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 2: and allowed to sunset. Of course, they weren't renewed, and 527 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 2: Democrats were very emphatic about their desire to continue the subsidies. 528 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 2: But that's not really changing the cost formula. The services 529 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 2: still are outrageously expensive, and now average Americans are being 530 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 2: forced to bear that burden, such as myself. All right, 531 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 2: we got one more segment to go in the program. 532 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 2: Let's take a break. When we come back. I want 533 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 2: to get back to some local stuff. A local state 534 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 2: senator who did the big crocodile tears during redistricting, big 535 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 2: crying mess when he was casting his vote on redistricting, 536 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 2: said he'd had enough of this the politics. 537 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: He was all done. Now he's changed his. 538 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 2: Mind, lying politicians, you're kidding. So we'll talk about that. 539 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 2: I want to get your opinion on the state potentially 540 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 2: moving to the firing squad as a means of death penalty. 541 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 2: We'll talk a little bit more about these this potential 542 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 2: to raise our taxes by tolling interstate seventy. We'll get 543 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 2: to all that more. Ethan's in for Casey ninety three WBC. 544 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 2: You know, one of the biggest problems with our government 545 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 2: and it's makeup is these politicians who will not go away. 546 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: And we talked about this before. 547 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 2: By the way's Kenelly Casey showing rob Ethan's in for 548 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 2: Casey today. Either I've talked about this a lot on 549 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 2: this show. And I saw this when I was an 550 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 2: elected person, and when I ran for public office, I said, 551 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 2: very very loudly when I was running, I will do 552 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 2: this one term. And I said one term and then done, 553 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 2: because by doing that you eliminate all leverage anyone can 554 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 2: have over you. There's literally nothing for them to threaten 555 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 2: you with. They can't threaten to run somebody against you, 556 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 2: or hold money from you, or hold an endorsement from you. 557 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 2: And this is what you see. What I saw and 558 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 2: have continued to see, is these people who become politicians. 559 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 2: And I'm talking about the local level, the city, the county, 560 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 2: the state reps, and senators all the way up to 561 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 2: the federal level. And it's pretty pathetic. And these people 562 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 2: are really shameful individuals. The elected office and holding that 563 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 2: office defines them. It becomes their existence. And so much 564 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 2: of this is like, what are these politicians? These political people? 565 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: There were nerds growing up. 566 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 2: They weren't the popular kids, they weren't the powerful kids, 567 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 2: they weren't the cool kids. And this is their first 568 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 2: and in many cases only, opportunity to be somebody, and 569 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 2: they become this very sad person where they crave the 570 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 2: attention the power that the office brings them and they 571 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 2: simply won't go away or give it up, not because 572 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 2: they enjoy it or have the passion for it anymore. 573 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: They just crave the thing that it gives them. 574 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 2: The office become the defining characteristic of their entire being, 575 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 2: and that's had disastrous consequences for the rest of us 576 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 2: because then they will do anything to continue holding on 577 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 2: to the power, and you know, even if that results 578 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 2: in screwing over the constituents that helped put them in there. Yeah, 579 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 2: And like in my case, when my term was done, 580 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 2: a lot of people wanted me to run for state Senate, 581 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 2: and it began the process of doing that, and then 582 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 2: an opportunity to go back to radio came up, and 583 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 2: I said, oh, thank god, because I really didn't want 584 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 2: to spend four to six more years going through this anymore, 585 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 2: because I've done it and it's time to move on. 586 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: And in hindsight, made the right choice. 587 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,959 Speaker 2: We put a number one radio show out there, and 588 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 2: that ended up being the right thing to do. But 589 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 2: these politicians, so many of them, just can't let go 590 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 2: of the thing. And I mentioned this because Greg Walker, 591 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 2: who is a Republican from Columbus who has been in 592 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 2: the Senate since. 593 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: The earth was young. 594 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 2: I was in college when Greg Walker first was elected 595 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 2: to the Senate in two thousand and six. He has announced, 596 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 2: after these this big announcement that he wasn't gonna run again. 597 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 2: You know, twenty years had been enough. Five terms. He 598 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 2: does this big tearful speech during redistrict thing about. 599 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: How how horrible this whole thing is now a globe 600 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: out of that. 601 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he said, change my mind. I'm gonna go 602 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 2: for term number six. And I'm just looking at this 603 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 2: going get a life, man, find something else productive to do. 604 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 2: Whatever you intended to do when you ran. If you 605 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 2: haven't done it in twenty years, Ethan, that is enough time. 606 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 2: Your time is up. It is time for you to 607 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 2: go home. 608 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 5: Yeah. 609 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,719 Speaker 2: I think twenty years is probably enough for anybody to 610 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 2: be in an elected political office. But these guys they can't. 611 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 2: They just can't let it go, and it's it's pathetic. 612 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 2: So he is gonna be running. Michelle Davis, who is 613 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 2: a state rep from down there, had already announced she 614 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 2: was going to run for that seat. She says she's 615 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 2: still running, So we will have a very contested primary 616 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 2: down there in Lumbus this year. Okay, Kittle case show, 617 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 2: Ethan's in for Casey. One of the things we talked 618 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 2: about with Nikki Kelly or segment earlier this hour is 619 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 2: that there is a big push now to move Indiana, 620 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 2: at least in part away from lethal injection by means 621 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 2: of the death penalty and over to the firing squad. 622 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: There is testimony on this. 623 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 2: It appears that there's at least some momentum for this 624 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 2: bill to get it out of committee. Now, whether it 625 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 2: passes the full the full bodies of Congress or House Senate, 626 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 2: they are a long way away from that. 627 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: However, I have. 628 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 2: To say on the Service, I don't have any problem 629 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 2: with this because I'm not a person who believes the 630 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 2: death penalty. If you've done something that deserves the death penalty, 631 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 2: I'm not a person that believes it should be painless. 632 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 2: You caused harm and suffering to someone else. Why am 633 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 2: I worried about how your execution is carried out. Yeah, 634 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 2: I'm not opposed to using a firing squad for the 635 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 2: death penalty. And also, with modern technology available at our disposal, 636 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 2: I don't even think that you have to involve other 637 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 2: people in the firing squad. I mean you can just 638 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 2: put firearms behind you know, automatically controlled robots and push 639 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 2: the button and let them do the work. 640 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: I mean, for that matter, I. 641 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 2: Would also be for a three hundred styled deep pit 642 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 2: that you can just boom, you know, kick these people 643 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 2: into and let them fall down the pit. Well it 644 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 2: is as farta well, I mean it is fasting right 645 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 2: because our state claims they have no money. They had 646 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 2: to raise taxes by a billion dollars to pay the bills. 647 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 2: And if you were to say, well, these these drugs, one, 648 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 2: you can't you have trouble getting them. They carry out 649 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 2: the lethal injections with so one you have trouble getting 650 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 2: the drugs. But two they're very expensive. Well bullets not 651 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 2: nearly as expensive as that, and it's pretty easy and 652 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 2: pretty quick. We could also get different drugs. I'm told 653 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 2: fentanyl is extremely cheap and people are overdosing on that 654 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 2: all the time. Just pump full of fentanyl and call 655 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 2: it to day. That should be if you run for 656 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 2: public office. That should be the center point of your campaign. 657 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 2: Just pump them full of fentanyl and call it a day. 658 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 2: The vote vote hatchard, I bet, I bet people would 659 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 2: flock to that campaign. 660 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: All the time. 661 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 2: You're saying that you need to be able to put 662 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 2: your campaign issues and write them down on a nappak 663 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 2: And that's the end that fits on inside of a napkin. Yeah, 664 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 2: absolutely right. Okay, one other thing I wanted to touch you. 665 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,320 Speaker 2: We've talked about it nemerous times at the course of 666 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 2: the program today. But is this plan now that the 667 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 2: Braun administration has come out that they are lobbying the 668 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,399 Speaker 2: federal government to allow them to increase tolling. And look, 669 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 2: the thing is what it is. But my issue is 670 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 2: the complete lack of transparency where they're not telling anyone 671 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 2: where they want to toll. 672 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: You're going to do whatever you're going to do. 673 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 2: You were totally dishonest about the plan to do it, 674 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,479 Speaker 2: including the people who passed the bill last year, because 675 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 2: remember last year, they were like, well, this is just 676 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 2: for planning purposes. There's no imminent plan to toll anything. 677 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 2: This is just to eliminate red tape in the future. 678 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 2: That way, when the House is because what the bill 679 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 2: did is it gave up any oversight the legislature has overtolling. 680 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 2: It is now exclusively in the hands of the governor 681 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 2: if he can get the federal government to go along 682 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 2: with whatever it is. There's no oversight whatsoever. And they said, well, 683 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,800 Speaker 2: this is for pla any purposes, We're eliminating red tape. 684 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: It's years away. Ethan. 685 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 2: Last I checked, twenty six was just one year from 686 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 2: twenty five, and they're already going for the tolling. But 687 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 2: they're such shady bastards that they won't even tell the 688 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 2: people of Indiana what parts of I seventy they want 689 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 2: to toll. 690 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: Is that true? 691 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 2: Because I thought they were incredibly specific about where they 692 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 2: wanted to toll, which was every single highway in Indiana. 693 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 2: I seventy, I sixty five, I four sixty five, I 694 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,399 Speaker 2: sixty nine, all of them. At the same time, I think, 695 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 2: I unless I'm hallucinating, and I remember reading articles that 696 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,240 Speaker 2: it would make Indiana the first state in the Union 697 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 2: to toll every single highway in their state boundary. Well, 698 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 2: and look, the roads never seem to get any better, 699 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 2: and we're sure of that earlier this week. I think 700 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 2: that's where people's frustration is, is that the roads never 701 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:49,720 Speaker 2: seem to get any better. 702 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: What is the return on investment? 703 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 2: We cat paying more, but we don't seem to be 704 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 2: able to get more. 705 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 1: All right, great job, brother, thanks for having me in. Yeah, keV, 706 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: excellent job. As always, I may or may not be 707 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: back tomorrow. We'll see see stick around. 708 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 2: Most important part, well, I just say they give you 709 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 2: the listener without you, there is no US stick around. 710 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 2: Tony Katz Coming up next, Kittle The Casey Show ninety 711 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 2: three WIBC,