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Speaker 2: You're going to bankrupt your mama's company.

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Speaker 3: At least I have the radio to keep me.

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Speaker 1: Company for ninety three to five and one oh seven

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Speaker 4: The winner of the twenty twenty five Heisman Trophy is

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Speaker 4: Fernando Mendoza.

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Speaker 5: I want every kid out there who feels overlooked.

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Speaker 1: Underestimated to know I was you.

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Speaker 5: I was that kid too, I was in your shoes.

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Speaker 5: The truth is, you don't need the most stars, hype,

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Speaker 5: or rankings. You just need discipline, heart, and people who

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Speaker 5: believe in you, and you need to believe in your

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Speaker 5: own abilities. I hope this moment shows you that tasting

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Speaker 5: your dreams are worth it, no matter how big or

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Speaker 5: impossible they seem. God bless Joe Luivers three YX.

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Speaker 3: Three formation for rivers, looking over that defense four on

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Speaker 1: Inside the box, step for the pulps, and it's.

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Speaker 6: Just down pretty special to see that. Now, I'm not

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Speaker 6: gonna lie it was. It was awesome to see him,

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Speaker 6: you know, five six years ago and there what he

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Speaker 1: The crowd is making tons of noise.

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Speaker 7: Let's see if young mister group in his third year

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Speaker 2: Stap placement kick on the way, headed downfield for the uprights.

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Speaker 8: Bets god, lot of this is gonna be a fifty

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Speaker 1: Buyers. Stap gets into it, sends it downfield headed for

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Speaker 6: Obviously, it's disappointing any time you lose, but we're guaranteed

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Speaker 6: But now we got another opportunity to go do it

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Speaker 7: So that's how it sounded over the course of the weekend,

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Speaker 7: kind of the tale of two quarterbacks, if you will.

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Speaker 7: Last week we were talking about the Tale of two cities,

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Speaker 7: you know, we can get into a lot of this,

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Speaker 7: fans and Indiana fans today.

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Speaker 1: It is fitting that this is what ten days now.

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Speaker 7: Before Christmas, because we have a lot to unpack, We

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Speaker 7: we have things to open up, things to discover. And

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Speaker 7: yesterday was, in fact, let's face it, going into it,

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Speaker 7: million dollar question, and that was is this going to

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Speaker 7: We didn't know what to expect yesterday from Philip Rivers.

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Speaker 7: Heisman ceremony. I think we had a really good idea.

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Speaker 7: your mind. But congratulations to Mendoza, Congratulations to Indiana football

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Speaker 7: a general idea, never as your necessarily starter, but you

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Speaker 7: have a general idea what you have that you're working

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Speaker 7: with moving forward as your backup or your you know

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Speaker 7: what a roster piece for you. If Philip Rivers comes

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Speaker 7: out and that vanilla offense allows them to win a

442
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Speaker 7: game or two, what does that do for your future?

443
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Speaker 7: What does it do for your future? It gets a

444
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Speaker 7: cool postseason photo of the Colts hanging in a high

445
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Speaker 7: school gymnasium in Alabama somewhere as a motivational piece. Bernanda

446
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Speaker 7: Mendoza told kids, look look at me, look at me,

447
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Speaker 7: and know that I am reflective of the fact that

448
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Speaker 7: anything is possible. And Philip Rivers, for the team that

449
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Speaker 7: he's coaching in Alabama, can look at them and post

450
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Speaker 7: up a picture and say, look at me. And that

451
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Speaker 7: tells you that even when you think it's over, there's

452
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Speaker 7: always another chance to dig down deep. That's cool, but

453
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Speaker 7: that doesn't help the Colts necessarily beyond right now.

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Speaker 1: And that's the crossroads of where they are.

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Speaker 7: The crossroads of where they are right now is mathematically

456
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Speaker 7: they are still in it, but realistically and symbolically are

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Speaker 7: they And there are some things I think that can

458
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Speaker 7: happen in the off season that we've seen before. I

459
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Speaker 7: talk about precedent a lot conversation last night with somebody

460
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Speaker 7: and I said, this is exactly right, this is exactly right,

461
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Speaker 7: and it's an interesting crossroads the Colts may be in

462
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Speaker 7: right now, and yesterday may have brought it all to fruition.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into that next. I will read.

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Speaker 7: Also yesterday I asked the question, as I do after

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Speaker 7: each and every game. I put it in the form

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Speaker 7: of now that through fourteen games, give me your thoughts

467
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Speaker 7: on the Colt season through fourteen games, and fourteen words

468
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Speaker 7: are fewer and it didn't take that many words for

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Speaker 7: most people to voice their opinion.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into that today.

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Speaker 7: Don Fish are going to join his voice of the

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Speaker 7: Hoosiers one o'clock Indiana, Kentucky on Saturday, but the Heisman

473
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Speaker 7: the Bigger story on Saturday night. Also on the program today,

474
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Speaker 7: Mike chap will going to join us. Bob Kravitz as well.

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Speaker 7: Loaded one lot to unpack. We'll get into what we

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Speaker 7: have seen from a different administration with the Colts that

477
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Speaker 7: we could be seeing repeating itself, and we'll get into

478
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Speaker 7: it next. Multiple reports and people are going to get

479
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Speaker 7: super excited when they hear this at first, multiple reports

480
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Speaker 7: that Anthony Richardson has been medically cleared to return to

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Speaker 7: the Indianapolis Colts. Now that is not to say, and

482
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Speaker 7: there has not been any indication that that means that

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Speaker 7: he is ready to return to the practice field. But

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Speaker 7: it is my belief and maybe I'm premature here, but

485
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Speaker 7: it's my belief that now you start to analyze moving

486
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Speaker 7: forward for the Colts about next year and your best

487
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Speaker 7: course of action, in particular if you are Chris Ballard,

488
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Speaker 7: because if you are Chris Ballard or Shane Steichen and

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Speaker 7: yesterday was not I mean, listen, you're on the road,

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Speaker 7: you are playing against one of the best defenses in

491
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Speaker 7: the NFL, and you've got a forty four year old

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Speaker 7: guy under center. You have your left tackle and Bernard

493
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Speaker 7: Rayman that goes down. You have your right tackle and

494
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Speaker 7: Braiden Smith that's not there, and you've got to wonder

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Speaker 7: what the long term future for Braiden Smith is. There

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Speaker 7: are many area You have no DeForest Buckner, you have

497
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Speaker 7: no Sauce Gardner, you have no Shaverius Ward. Some of

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Speaker 7: those are pieces that may not even be here next year. Admittedly,

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Speaker 7: Braiden Smith being one, would it surprise anybody if he retires?

500
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Speaker 7: Shaverius Ward being won, would anybody blame him if he

501
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Speaker 7: decides that enough is enough?

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Speaker 1: We've talked about that with Kevin last week. You know

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Speaker 1: all of those things.

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Speaker 7: But even with that, it does feel like because and

505
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Speaker 7: none of us know exactly where things stand of what

506
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Speaker 7: is the thought process with Carli Ers Gordon and Chris

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Speaker 7: Ballard and Shane Steiken. But I thought yesterday, even though

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Speaker 7: it's easy to say, again the pessimist here, If you're pessimistic,

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Speaker 7: it's easy to say they got in a game they

510
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Speaker 7: needed to get in Seattle. Where do you go from here?

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Speaker 7: But it's easy to also be optimistic and say, but

512
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Speaker 7: they're down some of their biggest pieces and still with

513
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Speaker 7: a forty four year old off the streets quarterback, found

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Speaker 7: themselves literally a play away from winning the game, and

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Speaker 7: winning in Seattle against one of the better and more

516
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Speaker 7: balanced teams in the league with one of the better

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Speaker 7: defenses in the league. But it comes down to with

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Speaker 7: Chris Ballard, how confident is he that he comes back

519
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Speaker 7: and how confident is Carlie Ursa Gordon in bringing him back?

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Speaker 7: And I don't know that we definitively know either answer.

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Speaker 7: It is my assumption at this point. It is my

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Speaker 7: belief that Chris Ballard and shansich And will return. They

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Speaker 7: are still mathematically within chance here of the playoffs. And

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Speaker 7: I know, yes, they started seven to one and we

525
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Speaker 7: know where they are now, right, we know what's happened

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Speaker 7: and the losing streak and everything else. But you can

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Speaker 7: realistically point to injuries with that and the other thing

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Speaker 7: that comes into play here. And this is what I'm

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Speaker 7: talking about with precedent, I think the ownership of the

530
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Speaker 7: Colts has to realistically think of it like this. If

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Speaker 7: they were to make a move at the top and

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Speaker 7: bring in a new general manager, a new GM, and realistically,

533
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Speaker 7: when you look at the situation, the Colts are in

534
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Speaker 7: a franchise that has some pieces, but big time question

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Speaker 7: at quarterback, no first round pick the next two years

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Speaker 7: because they probably pushed into early. If you look at

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Speaker 7: that situation, then you look at it you say, Okay,

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Speaker 7: if you're a new GM and taking that job, it's

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Speaker 7: probably going to be not unlike Chris Ballard and Ryan Grigson,

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Speaker 7: a general manager that is going to go in because

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Speaker 7: they want the opportunity to be a GM in the

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Speaker 7: National Football League. I don't think an established good situation

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Speaker 7: elsewhere GM leaves a position to come to Indianapolis and

544
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Speaker 7: that this is not like when you had Andrew Luck

545
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Speaker 7: and it was like people are lining up because they

546
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Speaker 7: know that Andrew Luck is going to be there. So

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Speaker 7: a new GM comes in and realistically probably does the

548
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Speaker 7: first year approach that Ryan Grigson did. When Ryan Grigson

549
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Speaker 7: took over the Colts. Yes, I know that there were

550
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Speaker 7: you know, Gary Brackett and Dallas Clark and Ryan Deam.

551
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Speaker 7: There were a number of veteran players on the roster

552
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Speaker 7: that were really good players who'd had really good careers

553
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Speaker 7: and were really good pillars of this culture and community

554
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 7: and everything else and franch eyes. But Ryan Grigson looked

555
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 7: at it and said, I've got to start over with

556
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 7: my own pieces all the way across the board and

557
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 7: grow it organically with a young quarterback. And when you

558
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Speaker 7: think about and consider the ages of some of the

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Speaker 7: players that the Colts have and what year where they

560
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 7: are and what their value might be, a new general

561
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Speaker 7: manager may come in and say, DeForest Buckner really good player,

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Speaker 7: but not a guy I'm going to have for five years.

563
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Speaker 7: Michael Pittman Jr. Really good player, not a guy I'm

564
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Speaker 7: going to have in five years. Jonathan Taylor really good player?

565
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Speaker 7: Is that a guy I'm going to have in five years?

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Speaker 7: And they may well look at it and say, there

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Speaker 7: are pieces here. Zire Franklin, really good player, not a

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Speaker 7: guy probably going to have in five years, Shaverius Ward

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Speaker 7: really good player, rins and repeat what I'm saying here.

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Speaker 7: A new GM could very easily look at this and

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Speaker 7: say this has the making more for something that needs

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Speaker 7: a complete rebuild under by footprint if I'm taking over

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Speaker 7: this franchise versus just the complimentary pieces because of the

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Speaker 7: age and the quarterback situation and the draft situation that

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Speaker 7: I'm inheriting. And for that reason, I could see the

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Speaker 7: Colts basically saying, and Carli Ursa Gordon saying, instead of

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Speaker 7: bringing in somebody who's going to want to completely tear

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Speaker 7: everything down, it is better the safety of familiarity of

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Speaker 7: bringing back someone who can then continue to compliment the

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Speaker 7: pieces that knows this locker room. Because what I saw

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Speaker 7: yesterday was this is a team that can still compete

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Speaker 7: again if you're looking at it optimistically The question then

583
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Speaker 7: becomes at the quarterback position, what do you do moving forward?

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Speaker 1: And I think the best course of action.

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Speaker 7: Is to say to Chris Ballard and Shane Steichen you

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Speaker 7: are coming back next year, and then let them determine

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Speaker 7: what they think is the best course of action at

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Speaker 7: the quarterback moving forward. I don't think it's Anthony Richardson,

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Speaker 7: even though he's medically cleared to return to the team

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Speaker 7: and off of IR if those reports are accurate, it

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Speaker 7: doesn't mean he's ready to get out there in the

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Speaker 7: line of fire where they are right now. But if

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Speaker 7: you've got to keep it vanilla for Philip Rivers, you

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Speaker 7: might as well keep it vanilla and run Riley Leonard

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Speaker 7: and see what you have there. There are all kinds

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Speaker 7: of confluences that are taking place. Two three, nine, ten

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Speaker 7: seventy is the telephone number. Don Fisher are going to

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Speaker 7: join us top of the hour. We'll talk about Indiana, Kentucky,

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Speaker 7: as well as the Heisman. But I want the thoughts

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Speaker 7: of those of you out there. Are you perplexed, are

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Speaker 7: you encouraged? Are you discouraged about the Colts right now?

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Speaker 7: Do you want to see Philip Rivers again? Or did

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Speaker 7: you say you know what. Kudos to them, and kudos

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Speaker 7: to Philip Rivers. They pushed in on that to see

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Speaker 7: what could happen. But I saw enough. And if we're

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Speaker 7: going to be vanilla, we might as well go vanilla

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Speaker 7: with a young guy as opposed to vanilla with a

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Speaker 7: guy that probably ain't gonna be here next year. Anything

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Speaker 7: else that jumped out at you yesterday two three nine

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Speaker 7: ten seventy is the telephone number I'd love to involve

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Speaker 7: you in this interactive Monday and Don Fisher coming up

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Speaker 7: one o'clock two three nine, ten seventy telephone number the

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Speaker 7: Colts yesterday in Seattle. Again, I'm gonna go back to it,

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Speaker 7: all things told, and to be credit there better than

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Speaker 7: probably most people expected, better than most people expected, but

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Speaker 7: at the same time, still a loss.

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Speaker 1: And therefore, because of that, where do you go from here?

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Speaker 7: I know that they are still mathematically alive, but don't

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Speaker 7: look now, but Jacksonville at ten and four, and Trevor

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Speaker 7: Lawrence yesterday with one of his finest performances as a pro,

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Speaker 7: and then Houston, who clearly has put things together, and

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Speaker 7: you have both of them left on the schedule, and

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Speaker 7: then obviously San Francisco coming up here on Monday night.

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Speaker 7: But two through nine, ten seventy is the telephone number

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Speaker 7: on this It's going to be an interactive Monday as well.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you go to the phone lines where Bryce

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Speaker 7: joins us.

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Speaker 9: Bryce, what's going on, Hey, Jake, I'm doing well. I

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Speaker 9: mentioned this yesterday to Bill and Greg on the fifth

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Speaker 9: quarter huddle. But I think you know, yes, it's a loss.

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Speaker 9: Are you happy about it? No? You would have liked,

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Speaker 9: you know, to see a win and all those kinds

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Speaker 9: of things. But I was very encouraged by many things

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Speaker 9: I saw, both from the quarterback play of Philip Rivers

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Speaker 9: and on the defensive side of the ball. And then

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Speaker 9: not to mention, you know, the sixty yard kick by

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Speaker 9: Groupie kind of forgotten or not forgotten, but I guess

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Speaker 9: kind of overshadows since it's a loss.

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Speaker 7: But here's my thing, and I agree with all those things,

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Speaker 7: and I want to hear a little bit more from

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Speaker 7: what you had to say on some of those because

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Speaker 7: let me let me say this, I don't disagree with

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Speaker 7: you fundamentally.

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Speaker 1: Bryce.

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Speaker 7: The problem is each thing that you pointed out, there's

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Speaker 7: a counter point to it, right. In other words, the

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00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 7: defense You're right, the defense played very well, but in

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Speaker 7: the end when they needed one time to get pressure

649
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 7: on the quarterback, that couldn't do it. Groupie, that kick

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Speaker 7: was unbelievable. But the kick off sets up Seattle and

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Speaker 7: then Rivers. I'd like you to expand on what it

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Speaker 7: was about. I'm not saying you're wrong. Tell me what

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Speaker 7: it was you liked about Philip Rivers.

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Speaker 9: I think just fundamentally down. Even though you know he

655
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Speaker 9: hasn't taken a snap in five years. You know he's

656
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Speaker 9: forty four years old. I get all that, but I'm

657
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Speaker 9: saying I think the mentality of this group, I mean,

658
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Speaker 9: you saw, you know it really kind of they really

659
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Speaker 9: started to relax and play as a team. I'm not saying,

660
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Speaker 9: you know, last week they didn't play as a team,

661
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Speaker 9: but I just feel like, you know, from last week

662
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Speaker 9: to yesterday, it was night and day again. Was it

663
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Speaker 9: the result we wanted? No? But I think you can

664
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Speaker 9: take a lot of positives away from Day's performance.

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree with Bryce. I appreciate the call.

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Speaker 7: I don't disagree with the problem I would have is

667
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Speaker 7: this and that is and I don't mean this in

668
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Speaker 7: I'm not picking on you and I say this, I'm

669
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Speaker 7: saying this generically.

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Speaker 1: We're at the point of the year where moral victories

671
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Speaker 1: are don't count. They just don't.

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Speaker 7: And yes, I agree, I mean Rivers and what he

673
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Speaker 7: did yesterday for that age and that situation, everything else

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Speaker 7: was impressive.

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Speaker 1: It was impressive.

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Speaker 7: But the problem is you were trying to steal one

677
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Speaker 7: with it, and I don't know now that you I

678
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 7: think we have a very good idea what the limitation

679
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 7: is there. And now that everyone knows what that limitation is,

680
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Speaker 7: it allows for San Francisco, Jacksonville, Houston to completely differently

681
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Speaker 7: game plan if in fact he is the guy that's

682
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Speaker 7: going to be under centered? Now is Rich available? A

683
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Speaker 7: big question mark there, right, big one? John's up next?

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Speaker 1: John? What's up?

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Speaker 9: Hey?

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Jake.

687
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Speaker 4: I had a couple of points on the game.

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Speaker 2: First, the wife and I love Philip Rivers.

689
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Speaker 4: She was wearing a Philip Rivers jersey yesterday. But I

690
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Speaker 4: will say I thought the result was disappointing exciting. But

691
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Speaker 4: we're only playing two dimensionally versus three dimensional games. What

692
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Speaker 4: I mean by that is no RPOs because you're always

693
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Speaker 4: out of the shotgun, no scramble ability, and no down

694
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Speaker 4: the field, right, I think Riley Leonard is the choice.

695
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Speaker 3: Because we don't have much else I think to win.

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Speaker 7: Well, John, tell me if you I think you'll agree

697
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 7: with this. And the thing about the thing between Rivers

698
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Speaker 7: and Leonard would simply be the basement's problem. The floor

699
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 7: is the same on both, but with Leonard maybe there

700
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Speaker 7: is more of a ceiling, just because at the very

701
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Speaker 7: least you get a glimpse as to and you are

702
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Speaker 7: getting reps for somebody that's never going to be your starter.

703
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Speaker 7: But if in fact he's going to be your backup

704
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Speaker 7: for a couple of years, you need to know it

705
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Speaker 7: now whether or not there's something there. Whereas with if

706
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Speaker 7: Rivers comes out and plays really really well, to what, Okay, great,

707
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Speaker 7: he's back to coaching high school in six months.

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Speaker 2: Right, right, and get it.

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Speaker 7: I agree with that and the other thing, and I

710
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Speaker 7: appreciate the call. The other thing, like I said with Rivers,

711
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Speaker 7: is we saw the limitation, and Seattle saw it and

712
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Speaker 7: was able to just simply say, Okay, look we're going

713
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Speaker 7: to We're going to take away this area of the

714
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Speaker 7: field real quick. Let's squeeze in Courtney Don Fisher coming

715
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Speaker 7: up top of the Hour of Courtney.

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Speaker 1: What's up, Courtey?

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Speaker 2: There?

718
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Speaker 1: All right? Don Fisher's going to join us, coming up

719
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Speaker 1: the voice of the Hoosiers. How about this?

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Speaker 7: Did you ever think I think the day would come

721
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Speaker 7: where Indiana football would not only be winning the Heisman,

722
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Speaker 7: but be featured on sixty Minutes. And and this is

723
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 7: the crazy thing. I watched the Indiana basketball team get

724
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 7: in fall victim to like a what was it at

725
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 7: one point a twenty nine to nine run something like

726
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 7: that against Kentucky and have a seven point lead get

727
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Speaker 7: squandered away in Rupperena and the blood boil of Repperena,

728
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 7: the nightmares of Repperina.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's where Indiana beat Duke. I love it.

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Speaker 7: It's where Indiana beat kent State, correct and up. And

731
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Speaker 7: when I see that floor, I still think of Tom

732
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Speaker 7: Coverdale backing down Douhan and hitting a shot to give

733
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Speaker 7: them the lead. Don't get me wrong, but house of

734
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 7: horrors when it comes to Indiana and Kentucky. And for

735
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Speaker 7: Indiana to have an opportunity and be leading in rup

736
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Speaker 7: against Kentucky and perhaps knock a huge blow to the

737
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Speaker 7: Kentucky basketball program for the season, squander that away and

738
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 7: yet hardly it mattered to the Indiana fan base because

739
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 7: everybody was still glowing in what happened with the Heisman

740
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 7: ceremony right as that game was getting underway. I never

741
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 7: thought I would utter those two things happening within the

742
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 7: same timeframe. But Don Fisher will join us to talk

743
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,439
Speaker 7: about that in more next. You know, there's an age,

744
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 7: old adage when it comes to doing broadcasting that you know,

745
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 7: it's kind of like doing a play. If you miss

746
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 7: a line or you know, a prop isn't there, the

747
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 7: audience doesn't know it, and the audience typically is like, yeah,

748
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 7: I'm I don't that doesn't even concern me, but I

749
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 7: do feel like and so my point being, you know,

750
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Speaker 7: when there are little nuances that we notice here, Kurt,

751
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 7: you and I at the fault of literally no one,

752
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 7: because we are operating in a brand new facility with

753
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 7: brand new studios, and the engineering team here has been

754
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 7: unbelievable in moving us from you know, from our old

755
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 7: building to this new location and building us literally state

756
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 7: of the art set. I mean, it's a gorgeous studio

757
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 7: that we're in. There are a ton of things to

758
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 7: be grateful for and thankful for, and everybody's hard working

759
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 7: diligence and doing this especially during the holidays, when some

760
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 7: people are on, some people are off. But with that said,

761
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Speaker 7: it does complicate at times things that the listener may notice,

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Speaker 7: you know, connectivity issues or the inability to play certain

763
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Speaker 7: things on the show that we're used to playing, or

764
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 7: letting people hear from things. And it would normally be

765
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Speaker 7: naive of me to point that out, maybe even counterproductive,

766
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Speaker 7: except for that, you know, we're obviously all aware of it.

767
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 7: It's a little beyond anyone's control. But I'm sitting here

768
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 7: in our new studios, I'm overlooking and I can see outside,

769
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Speaker 7: and it's five or ten degrees outside, and.

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Speaker 1: I can see guys and.

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Speaker 7: Gals that work a lot harder than I do, that

772
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 7: are doing jobs far more important than mine right now

773
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 7: out there, in terms of clearing the street and working

774
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 7: on infrastructure of the city and really important impactful jobs

775
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 7: and doing it in not great weather conditions and difficulty

776
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 7: and challenge. And the reality is that we get to

777
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 7: have a super fun job talking about sports, doing what

778
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 7: we can to have fun each and every day and

779
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 7: hopefully add a little bit of fun to people.

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Speaker 1: And so therefore, who in the world would.

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Speaker 7: I be to complain about any of it or to

782
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 7: point out about any of it, other than to say

783
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,479
Speaker 7: I appreciate anybody's patience if they do notice a little

784
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 7: thing here and there where we're aware of it and

785
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 7: moving forward. And it's all short term. I mean, it's

786
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 7: all going to be probably within a week or so,

787
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Speaker 7: that it's all worked out. But nonetheless, I appreciate people

788
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 7: that actually have legitimate, important jobs where they work very

789
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 7: very hard in far more adverse conditions. I appreciate those folks,

790
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Speaker 7: And it does put in perspective the fact that essentially

791
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 7: what we're doing is having fun on a playground. I mean,

792
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 7: that's basically what it comes down to. But joining me now,

793
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Speaker 7: because there is plenty to talk about with it, Joining

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Speaker 7: us now in the Java House Peel and Poor guest line.

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Speaker 7: Java house dot com is the website. Jake twenty five.

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Speaker 7: Bob Kravitz joins us now from Bob Kravitz dot com.

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00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: Of course the.

803
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 7: Lead authority on many subjects when it comes to talking

804
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 7: about them and covering them for many years here in

805
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 7: Central Indiana.

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00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: And Bob, I will give you your choice.

807
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 7: We can talk colts from yesterday, we can talk your

808
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 7: alma mater and Indiana football. Which one would you like

809
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 7: to lead with?

810
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 3: Let's start with the beloved alma mater.

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Speaker 7: Okay, did you ever think, Bob, in a ga billion

812
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 7: years and a gabillion years that the Heisman Trophy would

813
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Speaker 7: be at Indiana? And your overall thoughts on Mendoza's speech

814
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 7: and just the vibe of Indiana football.

815
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought his speech was great. You know I

816
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 3: saw where Skip Bayliss, who has no soul, said it

817
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 3: was to rehearse and memorize. I'm like, dummy, it's on

818
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 3: a teleprompter. You know, of course he's reading it. I

819
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 3: mean he's of course he's memorized it to a certain degree.

820
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 3: In fact, the day after, not the day after the

821
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 3: night of the Big Ten game, he couldn't sleep, so

822
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Speaker 3: he put on a bunch of Heisman Trophy speeches that

823
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Speaker 3: he had collected just to study up, which gives you

824
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 3: some idea what this kid is all about.

825
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Speaker 7: Obviously, it also gives you an idea that he knew

826
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Speaker 7: this was a reality. He had to know that the

827
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Speaker 7: Big Ten title game. You know, Bob, I was intrigued

828
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Speaker 7: by this for all of the discussion and narrative that

829
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Speaker 7: the Big Ten Title Game was going to be for

830
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Speaker 7: the Heisman, and Gus Johnson only said at six hundred

831
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Speaker 7: and forty six times on the broadcast, Julian Sane finishing

832
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Speaker 7: fourth surprised me?

833
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Speaker 1: Did that surprise you?

834
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Speaker 9: Not?

835
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Speaker 2: Really?

836
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Speaker 6: Not?

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Speaker 3: After that game, I think he he would drive. I

838
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 3: figured he dropped down one or two spots. I think

839
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Speaker 3: there was a lot of momentum for Diego Pavia coming

840
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Speaker 3: into it, So I was not surprised at all that

841
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 3: it went the way it went.

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00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 7: You know, the good will that Diego Pavia had going

843
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 7: into the Heisman, he did a nice job of flushing

844
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Speaker 7: that away by Sunday afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Didn't know, my lord.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm glad he had an apology, but I

847
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 3: can promise you that a lot of people a lot

848
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 3: smarter than him forced the issue that's gonna really I

849
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 3: don't know when he's gonna go pro but that's going

850
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Speaker 3: to follow him around for a very long time. I mean,

851
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 3: if he's trying to be Johnny Man, go right ahead.

852
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 3: But things didn't work out well for manziel.

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Speaker 7: I saw somebody that said he's Team MoU version of

854
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 7: Johnny manziel I thought it was perfect, good player, no question,

855
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 7: but yeah, bad spin on it. Okay, Bob what I

856
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 7: was just talking about, And I want the opinion of

857
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Speaker 7: Bob Kravitz. As I was watching Mendoza's speech. It was

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Speaker 7: not long after that that I then, you know, hit

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Speaker 7: the the other option in my sports viewing on Saturday evening,

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00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 7: and that was Indiana Kentucky and Rup. There was a

861
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Speaker 7: time in this state, with this fan base and this

862
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 7: university that everything was secondary to that game. And yet

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00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 7: as Indiana saw that game get away from them, it

864
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 7: was consoled by the fact that there was this glow

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Speaker 7: of a Heisman Trophy winner. And I know the easy

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00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 7: question would be, is Indiana now football school? But in

867
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Speaker 7: terms of resources, has Indiana shifted its financial resource away

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Speaker 7: from basketball to the point where they are now dialed

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Speaker 7: in with the rest of the country of this is

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Speaker 7: a football first financial investment in basketball than his secondary

871
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 7: you know, I don't.

872
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 3: Think they move the money around. I think with more

873
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 3: money coming in from you know, from from all kinds

874
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 3: of different sources, that they're putting more money now into football.

875
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 3: I mean, Brian Haynes has gotten what four raises in

876
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 3: the last year. I mean every time somebody expresses some interest,

877
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 3: but that that's great. It's great for Brian Haynes, it's

878
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 3: great for Indiana University. You know, I'm old enough to

879
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 3: remember that the day is when a top assistant was gone.

880
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 3: You know, as soon as they got I got a

881
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 3: decent offer, and I you would not try to match.

882
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 3: So I don't know that they're necessarily moving more money

883
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 3: from basket ball to football. I should know the answer.

884
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 3: But I think because they got more money coming in,

885
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 3: more money is than going to both sports, but football

886
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 3: in particular, because football pays the bills.

887
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: Okay, Bob, let me ask you. This is it just me?

888
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: It seems to me. I just got done talking about this.

889
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 7: It seems to me that right now, in twenty twenty five,

890
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 7: college football is on this meteoric rise in terms of

891
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 7: its popularity. It's relevance, it's discussion, it's finances, it's television,

892
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 7: all of it, and college basketball is on this either

893
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 7: plateau or decline of it in terms of all of

894
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 7: those things that I just mentioned. Is that reality or

895
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 7: is that because I went to Indiana which is now

896
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 7: having football success and struggling in basketball.

897
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

898
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 3: About excuse me about basketball diminishing in the public guy,

899
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 3: but certainly, you know it's funny. Whenever and Nil and

900
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 3: the transfer portal came in, everybody was saying they're going

901
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 3: to be the death knell of college football.

902
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 2: The halves are.

903
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 3: Gonna the halves are going to dominate. The have nots

904
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 3: are going to struggle, And exactly the opposite has happened.

905
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 3: You've got Vanderbilt, You've got IU, you've got Texas Tech.

906
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 3: Now the the the ground is flatter, you know, like

907
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 3: they say the world is flat, the old Thomas Friedman book.

908
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 3: And that's kind of the way it is with college

909
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 3: with college football these days. I think the as much

910
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 3: as we all hate the idea of the portal and

911
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 3: guys getting paid, it's been great for college football. I mean,

912
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 3: look at how competitive things are right now.

913
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: Bob.

914
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 7: Should Philip Rivers start Monday night against San Francisco. Anthony

915
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 7: Richardson by the way, for those that are just joining

916
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 7: the Programulipall reports now Anthony Richardson medically cleared to return

917
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 7: of the Colts. That does not mean that he is

918
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 7: ready to play on Monday Night, but medically cleared to

919
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 7: go back on the field in practice. Uh, should Philip

920
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 7: Rivers be the starter Monday Night?

921
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:13,919
Speaker 9: Yeah?

922
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 3: I think he should. Look for a guy to come

923
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 3: back after five years off and have three practices. What

924
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 3: did anybody expect? I thought he exceeded what I thought

925
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 3: he could do. I thought it was going to be

926
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 3: something of a clown show and it was not. You know,

927
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 3: he did trip over the logo at midfield one time,

928
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 3: which is pretty funny, but uh, you know, I thought

929
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 3: he handled himself really well. The only the only way

930
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 3: I start ar is if with a game or two

931
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 3: left there they're they're mathematically out of it and he's

932
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 3: ready to go, because they got to find out at

933
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 3: some point what this guy has to offer. Can he

934
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 3: get Kenny come back as a backup? Do they want

935
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 3: him to be a backup next year to Daniel Jones?

936
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 3: I think all those things are still to be determined

937
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 3: by Chris Ballard or whoever's running the show.

938
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:15,919
Speaker 7: Well, okay, and I want to get to that, Bob,

939
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 7: but real quick, my thought is this, though I agree

940
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 7: with you on Rivers. I mean I thought yesterday, look,

941
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 7: the Colts were within a whisky, you know, a whisker

942
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 7: winning that game.

943
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: I mean, kudos to them. And I thought Rivers was

944
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: a very good game manager, right.

945
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 7: And I have no knock on Philip Rivers or the

946
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 7: way he played except for this, and that is that

947
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 7: because of the fact that as the game went on,

948
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 7: Seattle figured out, look, we don't need to drop back

949
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 7: here because you know he is not with the exception

950
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 7: of the one past a Peers, he's a dunk and

951
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 7: dunk quarterback at this point, right, And their their game

952
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 7: plan was fairly vanilla. If that's the case, why not

953
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 7: go with the guy that you know is at least

954
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 7: going to be on your roster. And I'm not talking

955
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 7: about Richardson and Leonard. If you're going to go with

956
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 7: a super vanilla game plan, why not go ahead and

957
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 7: go with the guy that at least you can find

958
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 7: out what is there for you moving forward. In terms

959
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 7: of a depth piece in Riley.

960
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 3: Leonard, I still think that your best chance if you're

961
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 3: still in it I believe your best chance of winning

962
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 3: is with Philip Rivers, which you know you're talking about Ar.

963
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 3: He hasn't practice, he hasn't done much of anything for

964
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 3: months and months and months. To expect him to come

965
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 3: off this terrible injury and be and have a modicum

966
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 3: of success, I think is I think that's a long shot. Now,

967
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 3: if they're mathematically out of it, put Ar in there.

968
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 3: What can it hurt? You know, he needs the reps.

969
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 3: But as long as they're still in this thing, and

970
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 3: they are just barely.

971
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 9: I go with Philip Rivers.

972
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: Mathematically, Bob, they're in it, Okay, yes, legitimately speaking, are

973
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 1: they in it?

974
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 3: No, they're not. They'll be very fortunate to win one

975
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 3: of these last three games, and that's not gonna be

976
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 3: enough to knock off Houston or certainly Jacksonville.

977
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: Do you believe that Anthony Richardson will play again this year?

978
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 9: Yeah? I do.

979
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 3: I think he might get a shot in the last

980
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 3: game of the season, or possibly the last two games,

981
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 3: you know, uh, yeah, sure, you know. I mean, if

982
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 3: he's healthy and ready to go, get him in there,

983
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 3: if it doesn't matter, then yeah, sure, then I would

984
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 3: play him.

985
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 7: Do you believe that Chris Ballard is the guy that's

986
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 7: making decisions for next year.

987
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no doubt.

988
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 3: And you know, to follow up, you know, to answer

989
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 3: your expect could follow up question. I believe Baler will

990
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 3: be back next year. I believe stich And will be back.

991
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 3: I think they're going to be given a mulligan for

992
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 3: this season. I think they she carly erse Gordon went

993
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 3: into this thinking it's playoffs or bust. But given the circumstances,

994
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 3: given the seven and one eight and to start with

995
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 3: Daniel Jones, I think they're going to give the front

996
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 3: office a mulligan and see if they can't get it.

997
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: Right next year. Okay.

998
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 7: And then the other thing, Bob, that I was talking about,

999
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 7: I want your your thoughts on this, Bob Kravitz, my

1000
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 7: guest Jaba house Peel and poor guest line. The Jones injury,

1001
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 7: bad as it may be, If there's a silver lining there,

1002
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 7: it's the fact that now theoretically his price tag, yeah,

1003
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 7: you could franchise tag him, but his price tag to

1004
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 7: bring him back is not going to be what it

1005
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 7: was anticipated it was going to be if he's healthy

1006
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 7: and they were on the trajectory they were headed. Now

1007
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 7: question is do we know for certain that when it

1008
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 7: comes to the rehab and re entering back into a place,

1009
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 7: that this is where Daniel Jones wants to be.

1010
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 6: You know.

1011
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 3: I got to think though, just because of his relationship

1012
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 3: with Shane Stike and the success that he had throughout

1013
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 3: the first nine to ten games of the season, I

1014
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 3: think I think you would be foolish to go elsewhere.

1015
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 3: I think he's comfortable here. He's a low key guy,

1016
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 3: that's a low key town. He's not built for New York.

1017
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 3: That's not a good thing or a bad thing. It's

1018
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 3: just not his personality.

1019
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 2: So I think you will be back.

1020
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 3: I think the price tag won't be quite what it was,

1021
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 3: as you mentioned, But he'd be crazy to go elsewhere

1022
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 3: because he's he resurrected his career here. Why would he

1023
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 3: want to go anywhere else.

1024
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 7: The only place that I've heard with a possible of that,

1025
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 7: and after yesterday, who knows, right what the but I

1026
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 7: the only other place I heard was was Minnesota. The

1027
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 7: fact that because he has familiarity with Minnesota, that if

1028
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 7: they wanted to do a one eighty and say, you

1029
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 7: know what, we will bring you back after all that

1030
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 7: that would be a possibility or something that could intrigue him.

1031
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 7: That's the only thing that I've heard.

1032
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, and if he goes to Minnesota,

1033
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 3: he's not he's going to have to fight for a

1034
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 3: job with McCarthy. If if he stays in Indianapolis, it's

1035
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 3: his job.

1036
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: Well that's what I mean. Only Minnesota.

1037
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 7: Only if they said, hey, you know what, like I said,

1038
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 7: if they did a one eighty on it and said,

1039
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 7: you know what, this is not the guy.

1040
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 3: So and I'm okay, okay, Yeah, I guess. I guess

1041
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 3: that is a possibility. But to me, you don't don't

1042
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 3: mess with Happy. And I've done that in my career

1043
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 3: and it hit me in the ass. So you know,

1044
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 3: you don't mess with Happy. And I think he's got

1045
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 3: a good situation here with a coach who's who gets him,

1046
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 3: and I think he'd be crazy to look elsewhere.

1047
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 7: Bob Kravitz Musings of an old sports writer. Bob Kravitz

1048
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 7: dot Com is the website and you can read all

1049
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 7: of his work there. Bob Kravitz Musings of an old

1050
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 7: sports writer at Bob Kravitz dot com.

1051
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: Java House, Peel and poor.

1052
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 7: Guest line Bob, been too long You need to have

1053
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 7: you back on man, but I appreciate it.

1054
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 3: Sounds good, buddy, Take care of you out.

1055
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 7: Bob Kravitz joining us, Java House, Peel and Poor guest Line.

1056
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 7: All right, we mentioned the Anthony Richardson news.

1057
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: What does it mean.

1058
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 7: We'll get into that. Mike Chappel, who was on top

1059
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 7: of this story, going to join us here coming up

1060
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 7: within ten minutes. Mike Chapel is the dean of Coltswriters

1061
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 7: w XI in Fox fifty nine and CBS four joins us. Now, Java, House,

1062
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 7: Peel and Poor guest line. Mike will get right to

1063
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 7: the big story in terms of today versus yesterday to start,

1064
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 7: and that is that Anthony Richardson medically cleared for the Colts. Now,

1065
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 7: if you could please elaborate for me on what that

1066
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 7: means in terms of Anthony Richardson's availability short, you know,

1067
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 7: and say Monday night against San Francisco.

1068
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 2: Zero a little more than zero. But he hasn't practice

1069
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 2: since he fractured is that overall bone? Gosh October twelfth.

1070
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 2: So all this means and I realized people get all

1071
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 2: hyped up because he's been cleared for the next step,

1072
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 2: but they have a you know, the first The next

1073
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 2: step has to be them opening the twenty one day

1074
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 2: practice window and then see how practices a week, two weeks,

1075
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 2: and then and then see, well, there's only three weeks

1076
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 2: to go Monday night. Would be would be beyond any expectation.

1077
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 2: I just I just don't see it. I mean the

1078
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 2: fourth Butner played, you know, most of the season, then

1079
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 2: he had the neck injury, and they opened up his

1080
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 2: practice window. Last week he practiced three times limited and

1081
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 2: they didn't activate him. I would be I would be

1082
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 2: so beyond shocked. I think there's a better chance of

1083
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 2: you playing well Anthony Richardson.

1084
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: And I'm saying this to play Devil's Advocate Chap.

1085
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 7: But at the same time, if Anthony Richardson is not

1086
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 7: able to play because he hasn't practiced since October twelfth,

1087
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 7: that means that they actually will go with the guy

1088
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 7: that hadn't played in five years, right, I mean.

1089
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 2: That well, yeah, but see that that would But let's

1090
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 2: take let's take Rivers out of the mix. If not

1091
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 2: for Rivers, then then it wouldn't change the rehab process,

1092
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 2: the return process of Anthony Richardson. If you're sitting here

1093
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 2: today with Riley Leonard and Brett Rippon, there'd be a

1094
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 2: third guy here obviously, that wouldn't That wouldn't mean well, well,

1095
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 2: we gotta get ar up to speed by Monday. No,

1096
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 2: because his his is a separate His is a separate

1097
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 2: storyline as opposed to what they need at quarterback right now.

1098
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:09,919
Speaker 2: So that's that's how people have to understand. Is one

1099
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 2: he hasn't He hasn't practiced, you know, Alan Iris in

1100
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 2: practice since since the middle of October, and you're talking

1101
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 2: about a fractured face. A part of his face has

1102
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 2: been fractured, and he's been able to do lifting, he's

1103
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 2: been able to do some light running. But to think

1104
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 2: that he's close to getting hammered by a defensive player

1105
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 2: or two, I think that just strains uh reality myself.

1106
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,439
Speaker 7: So Mike, the reality is Mike chap On, my guest.

1107
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 7: I thought yesterday Philip Rivers, and you you tell me

1108
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 7: where you disagree here. Okay, I thought Rivers, all things considered,

1109
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 7: it was remarkable what he was able to go out

1110
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 7: and do, just at the age of forty four or

1111
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 7: five years off, et cetera. But as the game went on,

1112
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 7: I think it was very clear that Seattle figured out. Look,

1113
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 7: we don't have to drop back and protect against the

1114
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 7: long ball. Here, we just need to basically put enough

1115
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 7: in the box to spy on Jonathan Taylor and not

1116
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 7: allow Rivers to make a an eleven yard completion and

1117
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 7: just keep it as dank and dunk. And my thought

1118
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 7: process is, while I have the utmost respect for Philip

1119
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 7: Rivers and the Colts yesterday attempt at what they did

1120
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 7: and you know, to be within that game, I get it,

1121
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 7: or you know, close in that game, I get it.

1122
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 7: But if you are going to have to vanilla down

1123
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 7: your offense and keep it relatively limited in terms of

1124
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 7: your play call, why not go with the guy that

1125
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 7: is the younger player that has a chance to be

1126
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 7: on your roster next year and see what you have

1127
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 7: in him for a depth piece moving forward.

1128
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: Tell me why I'm wrong.

1129
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not seeing you're wrong. I just don't think

1130
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 2: they see it your way. They I believe that they

1131
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 2: believe that Rivers with all of his limitations, and there

1132
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 2: are limitations, we saw them all yesterday. Forget that he

1133
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 2: can't forget his forty four because he's forty four. But

1134
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 2: with all the limitations, physically, the arm strength is not

1135
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 2: what it was in twenty twenty. It's not still give

1136
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 2: him a better chance to win if everything else works.

1137
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know that I can depend on

1138
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,439
Speaker 2: Blake Groopy hitting sixty yard field goals all the time.

1139
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 2: And I really don't know that I can expect this

1140
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 2: defense to keep the opposition Frisco, Jacksonville and Houston to

1141
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 2: no touchdowns. That was a superb effort by the defense

1142
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 2: until until they needed a shop you know, want to

1143
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 2: you know, stop at the end forty two seconds to

1144
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 2: play and Darnold had to make a couple of completions

1145
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 2: having set up. I still believe that internally they think

1146
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 2: Rivers and all that he does. Remember when at the

1147
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 2: start of the season when Change Styken talked about why

1148
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 2: he chose Jones over Richardson, it was it was the

1149
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 2: command of the game, command of the line of scrimmage,

1150
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 2: the operation of the offense. And I still believe that

1151
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 2: their thought process is that he does all that stuff

1152
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 2: getting into a good play, getting out of a bad play,

1153
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 2: and recognizing defenses that helps compensate for what he can't

1154
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 2: do with his arm that he used to do every week.

1155
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 2: If that's an indictment of right at entered and so

1156
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 2: be it. I just that'll be one of the first

1157
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 2: couple of questions that changed. I can in about a

1158
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 2: half an hours. Is Rivers going to start on Monday night?

1159
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 2: And I've got to believe he's gonna say yes that

1160
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 2: They both he and and Rivers talked after the game

1161
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 2: about how, you know, only had three days practice and

1162
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 2: you know, I thought things done pretty well. And the

1163
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 2: more I play, the more I can, the more the

1164
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 2: offense can expand, although there's there's limitations on how much

1165
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 2: it can expand.

1166
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 8: Uh.

1167
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 2: With with Rivers limitations, I just I don't think that

1168
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 2: the fan base needs to understand that. I, barring injury,

1169
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 2: I think the plane is for for Rivers start the

1170
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 2: last three games now, maybe sike and throw the curveball today,

1171
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 2: I don't think so. Uh, And the Richardson thing has

1172
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 2: juiced to it from the outside. But I just I

1173
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 2: wonder if the team really expects him to play in

1174
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 2: the second in two or three games. I don't think so,

1175
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 2: but maybe Shansich can will expand on that in a

1176
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 2: bit as well.

1177
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 1: Jap, do we have any update on Bernard Ryman?

1178
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 4: No?

1179
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 2: Uh, they were waiting for an MRI. I they don't

1180
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:03,919
Speaker 2: think it's I are level injury, But keep in mind

1181
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 2: there's only three games left.

1182
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 9: And to have.

1183
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 2: A tackle with if you know he was out there.

1184
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 2: Brett Bensley had a good picture our potec guy audio

1185
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 2: or a video guy a good picture of Ryman back

1186
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 2: at there yesterday with a big brace or or whatever

1187
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 2: on his arm. But to have at least it well,

1188
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 2: at least it's his right arm to where he can

1189
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 2: still reach out with his left arm at left tackle

1190
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 2: and play, I guess. But injuries at this time of

1191
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 2: the year are not good because you're running out of

1192
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 2: time to rehab. So hopefully he's back. I would be

1193
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 2: surprised this week, I just would. But hopefully he's back

1194
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 2: before this thing's over.

1195
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 7: Chap I look at if you look at the fact,

1196
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 7: you know the Colts are now down two tackles right

1197
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 7: on both sides, and you know Brayden Smith will see

1198
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 7: what happens long term with that off the ir But

1199
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 7: the best protection at this point for the quarterback, whether

1200
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,959
Speaker 7: it be Philip Rivers or whoever it may be, I thought,

1201
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 7: was in fact Jonathan Taylor, because conventionally you would think

1202
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 7: Seattle would have just said we're just gonna blitz from

1203
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 7: the left and right side, you know, at nauseum here

1204
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 7: right and get after Philip Rivers. Except that I think

1205
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 7: they didn't want to run past their coverage of Taylor,

1206
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 7: so they were better off just kind of keeping it

1207
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 7: right behind the line, stacking the box to spy on Taylor.

1208
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 7: Limit the pass game to say seven yards and in,

1209
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 7: and not get too aggressive as to not then get

1210
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,600
Speaker 7: beat by a draw if you will to tailor or

1211
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 7: let Taylor beat them. Is that overthinking it or do

1212
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 7: you think that's the way that played out.

1213
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 2: No, that's how it played out. And if I'm Seal,

1214
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:48,560
Speaker 2: if I'm friskco or anybody, I'm not overly concerned with

1215
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:52,759
Speaker 2: Philip Rivers. I'm just not you know, didn't convince yourself

1216
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 2: all you want. At some point, more times than not,

1217
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:59,640
Speaker 2: something's going to go wrong, a bad throw, some might

1218
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 2: drop in the ball, a sack, a holding penalty. If

1219
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 2: ball start, you get behind the chanes and then you're

1220
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 2: in trouble. I would make Jonathan Taylor beat me all

1221
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 2: the time. And you know that, you know, people should

1222
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 2: notice they ran the ball thirty times yesterday and through

1223
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 2: it twenty seven. I'm sort of surprised it was that

1224
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 2: in balance. I thought they may run the ball more so,

1225
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 2: and it's gonna if they're really gonna test Jonathan Taylor's

1226
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 2: stamina and patience, because this is a guy that was

1227
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:33,760
Speaker 2: averaging like six yards of carrier or you know, mid

1228
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 2: season and now it's it's like three five three six

1229
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 2: because it's just tough sledding and the only way to

1230
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 2: back people off is to be aggressive down the field.

1231
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 2: And do you I don't see that happening a player

1232
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 2: I feel bad for. It is not like Pierce because

1233
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 2: I just don't see them.

1234
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 7: And he really wanted to target yesterday. I mean he

1235
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 7: second highest number of snaps in one part right, there was.

1236
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 2: Really two because one of them was wiped out by

1237
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 2: a penalty I think, but no one official target and

1238
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 2: on that great back shoulder throw. But you know, so

1239
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 2: you can't maximize what some of your players do. But

1240
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 2: this is where they are and it's got the potential

1241
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 2: to be not very We've had the entertaining part, you

1242
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 2: know we have. Yesterday was was almost almost movie like.

1243
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 2: It almost was again if the defense makes one more

1244
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 2: play and you win a game that you know would

1245
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 2: have really added something to Rivers legend, and it's already

1246
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 2: pretty good. But I just don't I don't see a

1247
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 2: steady dose of this type of an offense was at

1248
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 2: three point seven yards a play. That's just hard, and

1249
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 2: I just wonder how much the defense has left in

1250
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 2: it when you're playing with that Buckner and Ward and Gardner.

1251
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 2: Maybe they get bucked back this week, maybe they get

1252
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 2: Gardner back. But I just I thought the defense gave

1253
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 2: all it had until it didn't have enough to give

1254
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 2: it the end. But that's just a that's just asking

1255
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 2: him a lot for the rest of the team to

1256
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 2: do so much more because the offense just can't do enough.

1257
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 9: Chap.

1258
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:29,640
Speaker 7: I thought Amir Abduli yesterday was involved, obviously more than

1259
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:31,719
Speaker 7: we have seen him in the past. Is that because

1260
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 7: they wanted to keep balance with Jonathan Taylor or is

1261
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:38,560
Speaker 7: that because he has a capability that is within the

1262
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 7: comfort zone of what Philip Rivers likes?

1263
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 2: Probably both. Again, I mentioned on social media yesterday that

1264
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 2: JT needed twenty five carries minimum, and that's what he got.

1265
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 2: But they can't. They're not going to run him thirty

1266
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 2: to thirty five times. They just aren't. They They just

1267
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 2: wear him out and wear him down and all that.

1268
01:11:57,200 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 2: So I duly gave him a pretty good, pretty good chae.

1269
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 2: If somebody mentioned that he was almost like nahim Hinz,

1270
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 2: like how he can do things. He's better out of

1271
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 2: the backfield than JT is.

1272
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 1: He just is.

1273
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:12,759
Speaker 2: So that's where game planning I thought, game plan wise,

1274
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 2: considering the personnel limitations, I thought stich And had a

1275
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:20,679
Speaker 2: really good offensive game plan and Rumo had a really

1276
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 2: good defensive game.

1277
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 7: Point No, it was Chap. It was actually and people

1278
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 7: can feel free to comb at me with this. Maybe

1279
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 7: I'm wrong, but in my opinion, it was actually a

1280
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 7: well coached game. I thought, given some of the handcuffs

1281
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:34,679
Speaker 7: put on them, I thought it was a well coached game.

1282
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 2: They were thirteen point underdogs. I mean, with my great knowledge,

1283
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 2: I had him getting I picked him to get beat

1284
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 2: thirty one thirteen in my game preview, just because I

1285
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 2: didn't think that they could do enough in other areas,

1286
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 2: and they did. Again, I'm not gonna just bank on

1287
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 2: you know, if we just get in positioned to have group,

1288
01:12:57,439 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 2: you hit a sixty yarder, I mean, go there, because

1289
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 2: that's asking too much because you know, so again I

1290
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 2: just wonder what they've got for an encore after doing

1291
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:14,599
Speaker 2: allmost everything right and you lose with a fifty six

1292
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 2: yard field goal at the end. I just I wonder

1293
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 2: how they regroup. They will. These guys are prideful, they

1294
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:25,680
Speaker 2: get paid well, and this is their job. I mean,

1295
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 2: they're not going to go out there and to lay

1296
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 2: down at all, but at some point, and they do

1297
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:34,599
Speaker 2: not talk about it internally, they don't, but at some point,

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Speaker 2: your your personal limitations keep you from doing what it

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Speaker 2: takes to win a game. And I'm just wondering how

1300
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 2: close to could start of that with three extremely tough

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01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:47,919
Speaker 2: opponents coming.

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01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 1: Up, Chap.

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Speaker 7: I know that, if I'm not mistaken, you're getting ready

1304
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 7: to go in Shane Stecken's availability real quick. The things

1305
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 7: that we're wanting to learn today, the question marks today

1306
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 7: that you are looking for answers for that you'll have

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01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 7: at CBS four, n w x A and Fox fifty

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Speaker 7: nine are.

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Speaker 2: First is is river?

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Speaker 1: Are you?

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01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 2: Are you going on with rip with Rivers? And I

1312
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 2: think they are. And then the follow in some form

1313
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 2: or fashion will be but what what what what will

1314
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 2: make you think that'll be? It'll be better marginally better

1315
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 2: this week and the week after and they're going you know,

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01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,520
Speaker 2: it's gonna be repetitions and familiarity.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And then and then we'll ask ar questions. And I

1319
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:32,640
Speaker 2: don't think he'll move the needle much on that. I

1320
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 2: don't think we'll get much of an update on Bernard Rayman.

1321
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 2: But it's gonna be about about Rivers and moving forward

1322
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:41,560
Speaker 2: with him. How how did he feel today when he

1323
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 2: get out of bed after you know, he went at

1324
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 2: there mowing the grass at age forty four, he was

1325
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 2: getting beat on pretty good. Right, So that's it'll be

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Speaker 2: Philip Rivers driven.

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Speaker 7: Uh, of course, all right, chap We appreciate the time.

1328
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 7: As always, we'll let you get to it all right.

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Speaker 7: Thanks you well, my Chapel joining a CBS four n

1330
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 7: W saying Fox is nine. He's right though about Philip Rivers.

1331
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 7: You know, you know it when all of a sudden, listen, folks,

1332
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 7: there's a reason why you start seeing guys like in

1333
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 7: their you know, early to mid forties into their fifties

1334
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 7: wearing slip on shoes, right, I mean, I'm telling you,

1335
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 7: like just the little things first thing in the morning,

1336
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 7: when you get out and you gotta put your shoes on,

1337
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 7: You're like, oh wait, a minute, and I can only

1338
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:27,679
Speaker 7: imagine for Philip Rivers and yes, you know, he clearly

1339
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 7: was wearing a lot of protective gear. I thought they

1340
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 7: had to water it down an awful lot in terms

1341
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:35,479
Speaker 7: of what they wanted to do offensively. And I think

1342
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 7: at the beginning of the game, Seattle clearly was trying

1343
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 7: to feel out, find out and sort through who he

1344
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 7: was and what he could do. And then once they

1345
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 7: had enough looks at it, they were able to tell, okay,

1346
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 7: this is in fact not a threat for certainly deep ball,

1347
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 7: and that just changed the way, you know, you saw

1348
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 7: the way they were able to defend it. Now from

1349
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:05,680
Speaker 7: the Colts standpoint, I thought, defensively they played.

1350
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 1: Very well, obviously, but.

1351
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 7: At the end they needed one play, They needed one

1352
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 7: play and they could not get it, and the kickoff

1353
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 7: did not help to put Seattle in good position. But

1354
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 7: then you have invested an awful lot in that front

1355
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 7: four in terms of that elusive pass rush. I remember

1356
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 7: asking Chris Ballard a couple of years ago, what is

1357
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 7: the one thing that keeps you awake at night that

1358
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 7: you just can't get a feel for or a hold on,

1359
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 7: and he said, depth building, depth finding, depth and pass

1360
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 7: Rush certainly feels like that is the elusive enigma that

1361
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 7: he is not able to totally grasp, just in terms

1362
01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 7: of depth and.

1363
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 1: And getting guys.

1364
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:04,720
Speaker 7: You know, if Quinny pays not able to give you

1365
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 7: something to get a Taekwon lewis going or Buckner's out

1366
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 7: to get that to have the depth there Leatu Latu,

1367
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 7: you know, he has his moments. But for where he

1368
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 7: was selected and for being the first defensive players selected,

1369
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 7: I think at this point you were expecting more or

1370
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 7: more consistency at that college back and by the way,

1371
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 7: I'm going to read some of that, there were some

1372
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 7: good ones too, reactions from yesterday, the social media ex

1373
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 7: post Twitter reactions to yesterday and what people had to

1374
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 7: say about the Colts doing that just about ten minutes

1375
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 7: from now. But back to college basketball. We talked plenty

1376
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:47,720
Speaker 7: and enough about Indiana and Kentucky. I thought Purdue taking

1377
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 7: on Marquette. I was in Milwaukee. Actually it was only Kurt.

1378
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 7: You want to guess the temperature of Milwaukee on Saturday Saturday.

1379
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 1: Evening, can you give me an over under.

1380
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 7: I will tell you this, I've never believed you know

1381
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:03,639
Speaker 7: when they say wind chill and this is a rant

1382
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 7: I've been on forever. When they say the temperature outside

1383
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 7: is such and touch, but the wind chill is such

1384
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 7: and touch, meaning it feels like this, well then that's

1385
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:13,680
Speaker 7: what it is. If that's what it feels like, that's

1386
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 7: what it is.

1387
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 1: Right.

1388
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, you don't imagine the wind chill the wind hills.

1389
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 7: And it was windy in Milwaukee. So we left Saturday

1390
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 7: and from eight sixty five, meaning the road eight sixty

1391
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 7: five until like the wind farms north of Lafayette. It

1392
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 7: was basically it wasn't a wide out, but it was

1393
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 7: not pretty. And then as soon as I got north

1394
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:41,600
Speaker 7: to Lafayette, it was it looked like this outside. It

1395
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 7: was very clear out, but you could just tell it

1396
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 7: was cold. And as I went further and forth, I've

1397
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 7: never had like frost on the inside of the window,

1398
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 7: but like like on my on the driver's side window,

1399
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 7: but that's it was like whoa.

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01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 1: And then I looked, I'm like, okay, it's cold. We

1401
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 1: got up there.

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01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 7: I checked the wind chill as we were walking around.

1403
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 7: Stayed at the Paps brew House, which is fabulous in

1404
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 7: downtown Milwaukee and it's part of the old Paps Brewery.

1405
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:10,560
Speaker 7: And then the best place which is one of my

1406
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 7: favorite bars ever. It's got a little fireplace and it

1407
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 7: is in the original Papst Banquet Hall, and they're at

1408
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 7: the best place. They got the fireplace, they got a

1409
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 7: pbr Undraft and Schlitz and blats Undraft. So we were

1410
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:28,759
Speaker 7: there and we were going to go to a Christmas

1411
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 7: market and Shannon's like, you know, it is so cold outside.

1412
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 7: There's a restaurant also adjacent. This whole area is not

1413
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 7: like Bottleworks, but kind of more like down by Gamebridge,

1414
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 7: you know what I mean, Like the city like that

1415
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 7: little area. So it feels kind of like it looks

1416
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 7: kind of like that right off of the shadows of

1417
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 7: five ser Arena. So we walked outside and she's like,

1418
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 7: it is so cold, let's just go to the to

1419
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:53,679
Speaker 7: the restaurant right here in the hotel.

1420
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 1: And I said, okay, good deal.

1421
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 7: So we sat down and that's when I checked my

1422
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 7: phone the windshield to I'm going wind chill, you want

1423
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 7: to guess the wind chill, which and it was windy

1424
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:06,679
Speaker 7: the entire time, so this was the reality. I'm gonna

1425
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 7: go twelve below, close, sixteen below, sixteen below, So that

1426
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 7: gave plenty of time to just basically sit and watch

1427
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 7: college basketball. But Purdue and Marquette Shaka smart. One thing

1428
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 7: you know about Marquette, and I think we saw this

1429
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 7: when Indiana played them. You anticipate that Marquette is going

1430
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 7: to defensively really give you something, but they have not

1431
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 7: this year.

1432
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 1: They gave up one hundred Indiana. They gave up over

1433
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 1: ninety five to Wisconsin and Purdue.

1434
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 7: I think that was a good, like kind of get

1435
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:39,599
Speaker 7: back on track game for Purdue. And the good news

1436
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 7: for Purdue is they were able to get back on

1437
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 7: that track, get back on that horse, if you will,

1438
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 7: again because of what is a growing and budding piece

1439
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 7: of that puzzle that's going to really help them in March,

1440
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 7: and that's the play of Oscar Cluff and you know

1441
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 7: what he's able to do to then allow Trey Kaufman

1442
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:02,799
Speaker 7: to get down on the low block and the balance

1443
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 7: between those two underneath and then Braden Smith again, I'm

1444
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:09,719
Speaker 7: gonna go back to best player in college basketball. Butler

1445
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 7: got a big win. That was an unbelievable game for Butler.

1446
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 7: And we haven't talked enough Butler, and maybe I should

1447
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:21,880
Speaker 7: get more into that because what you're starting to see

1448
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 7: in Butler now is I think Thad Mada in revamping

1449
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 7: and redoing that roster. The big thing for Butler has

1450
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 7: been challenging themselves or just finding out where they are

1451
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 7: within the league, because yeah, they have had the over

1452
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,680
Speaker 7: the course of the last couple of years, the Big

1453
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 7: East it just seemed like and I know that this

1454
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 7: is perhaps a naivete of mine, but in my mind,

1455
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 7: this stereotype for Butler is that the Big East is

1456
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:57,720
Speaker 7: like bigger and faster than they type thing. And yet

1457
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 7: Thad Mode I think, has done an outstanding of kind

1458
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 7: of redoing this roster, putting pieces out there that give

1459
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:10,720
Speaker 7: them an offensive balance. But that game against Providence, I

1460
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:15,560
Speaker 7: mean in double overtime, and that's the kind of atmosphere

1461
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 7: that you need. You know, they in terms of Big

1462
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:21,639
Speaker 7: East player and I have no idea how good Providence

1463
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 7: is going to be this year, but to go in

1464
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 7: and get yourself a league win and do it at home,

1465
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 7: and I think that you can anticipate now that that

1466
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:31,840
Speaker 7: they are going to be you know, they're going to

1467
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,200
Speaker 7: win some Big East games this year and they are

1468
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:38,560
Speaker 7: no longer the team nil standpoint, Butler probably.

1469
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 1: Is a you know, at a disadvantage I would assume.

1470
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 7: I don't know that in terms of some of the

1471
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 7: other you know, Yukon certainly right, but I thought a

1472
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 7: really good win for them, and certainly an entertaining one.

1473
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:55,320
Speaker 7: I saw the you know, the the two overtimes is

1474
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:57,640
Speaker 7: what I saw. I did not see the rest of

1475
01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 7: that game. One of the teams that they beat, and

1476
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 7: I talked about this team because I went to their

1477
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 7: game last week and have not gotten into a lot

1478
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:11,440
Speaker 7: is IU Indy. And IU Indy to me is fascinating

1479
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 7: because they when I watched them against Doug Gottlieb's Green

1480
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 7: Bay team, who is not a very good Horizon League team.

1481
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 7: And what I think Ben Hallett is wanting to do

1482
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 7: at IU Indy is come out with a system that

1483
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 7: he had utilized.

1484
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 1: He is a.

1485
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 7: The mold of I'm not saying that he's going to

1486
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 7: have the success of, but the mold of Kurt Signetti

1487
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:42,639
Speaker 7: of a ton of success at a smaller school, smaller level,

1488
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 7: now trying to bring that with him to IU Indy.

1489
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 1: And he brought a number of.

1490
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 7: Players with him, and the system they run is essentially

1491
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 7: a press and then fast three point shooting and try

1492
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 7: to basically wear down opponent system. And I think that

1493
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 7: he thought that he could bring that system immediately in

1494
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 7: and have some success in the Horizon League, and so

1495
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 7: far they're not athletic enough within even in that league.

1496
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 7: I don't think that the players he brought with them

1497
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 7: have the athleticism necessarily necessary for it. But I think

1498
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:16,600
Speaker 7: what Ben Halltt's hope is is that people see that

1499
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 7: system and say that's something that I want to play in,

1500
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 7: and then he brings athletes with them, or I'm sorry,

1501
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 7: brings in athletes, say next year or for two years

1502
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 7: from now, and then you get a general idea of

1503
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 7: what it is that they want to be, which is

1504
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 7: almost like a hybrid of Arkansas Loyal and Merrymount of

1505
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 7: the nineties, and that that level of play, that excitement

1506
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 7: of play, brings them players. But we'll see whether or

1507
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 7: not that comes to fruition when we come back. Your

1508
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 7: thoughts on the Colts yesterday tooth or nine, ten seventy

1509
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 7: will open that back up, and I will read some

1510
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 7: of the best from the ex post Twitter yesterday fourteen

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01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 7: words are fewer on the Colts through fourteen games. I'll

1512
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 7: read you some of the good ones. Next two through

1513
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 7: nine ten seventy if you would like to join the conversation.

1514
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 7: I am genuinely curious whether or not people are wanting

1515
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:14,839
Speaker 7: to see Philip Rivers for the remainder. I thought again yesterday,

1516
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 7: you cannot complain with what Rivers did in going out

1517
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 7: there and playing. Was impressive for certain But at the

1518
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 7: same time, if that's the ceiling in terms of the

1519
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 7: level of how much you can open up the playbook,

1520
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 7: if that's the ceiling, then do you not just stick

1521
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 7: with Riley Leonard because at least he has a capability

1522
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:38,479
Speaker 7: number one and then number two? But I get it

1523
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 7: if you feel that Rivers gives you a better chance

1524
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 7: to win the game, But does he because the game plan?

1525
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 7: I thought the playbook was pretty vanilla. So yesterday I

1526
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 7: asked the question, tell me in fourteen words or fewer

1527
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:57,040
Speaker 7: your thoughts on the Colts twenty twenty five season through

1528
01:25:57,479 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 7: fourteen games. Tim says, if the Colts are winning, enjoy

1529
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:10,599
Speaker 7: it while you can. It won't last long, okay, Tyrone

1530
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:13,040
Speaker 7: fun then disappointing so far?

1531
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 1: Thanks defense, Hey, Jake.

1532
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 7: Colts rely on unreliable quarterbacks and a fool's gold start

1533
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 7: returns to reality. This from Scott, which I think a

1534
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 7: lot of people probably.

1535
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 1: Agree with.

1536
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 7: Santa Claus is coming to town, and IU football is

1537
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:41,680
Speaker 7: in the College Football Playoff. Rejoice now, Seawan, who is

1538
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:46,640
Speaker 7: the brother of What's happening Todd? So optimism runs a

1539
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 7: muck within the Hall family, Shawn sends me, no one cares.

1540
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 7: Now you can Christmas shop.

1541
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 1: Thanks.

1542
01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 7: Wow, they're still mathematically in it, and you've got two

1543
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 7: of three heading down the stretch with the two teams

1544
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 7: that they're right behind. And as I mentioned earlier, though,

1545
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:17,640
Speaker 7: it's pretty remarkable that Jacksonville what Jacksonville's done. I mean,

1546
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 7: no one talks about it, but here's Jacksonville at.

1547
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 1: Ten and four. I mean that literally, like objects in

1548
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:32,519
Speaker 1: rear view mirror have blown past you, not just larger

1549
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 1: than they appear. This from Blaine.

1550
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 7: The scheme is sound, players are talented, Injuries have been killer.

1551
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 7: Eyes on the ahead. Old man Rivers still a better

1552
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:55,639
Speaker 7: option than Richardson. I love this from Colts Coverage. Fourteen

1553
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 7: words or fewer. I got to count how many there

1554
01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:03,759
Speaker 7: are here? Three six, eighteen, fourteen exactly? This is perfect.

1555
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 7: Roses are red, violence are blue. We've seen this before,

1556
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 7: and so have you. Okay, there needs to be a

1557
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:17,160
Speaker 7: change for the better, says Jeff In twenty twenty six

1558
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:20,920
Speaker 7: about what I expected before the season. Wish they didn't

1559
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:26,200
Speaker 7: get my hopes up, says Scott. Earle points this out.

1560
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:30,600
Speaker 7: Everyone needs to be fired seven to one. Missing the

1561
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 7: playoffs unacceptable.

1562
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:38,759
Speaker 1: I get it. But you have to factor in the injuries.

1563
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 1: You do have to factor in, do you not the injuries?

1564
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 2: Right?

1565
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 1: I mean when Daniel Jones?

1566
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:54,200
Speaker 7: And yes, I think there might have been a little

1567
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 7: bit of fools gold with Daniel Jones as well in

1568
01:28:56,360 --> 01:29:01,559
Speaker 7: the beginning because it was like, oh my gosh, MVP

1569
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:05,839
Speaker 7: and then the injury. What the injury to Daniel Jones

1570
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 7: kind of overshadows is the fact that we were starting

1571
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 7: to see a little bit of who Daniel Jones has

1572
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 7: been in the past. Terry at two nine ten seventy Terry,

1573
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 7: what's up, hey, Jake?

1574
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:22,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw exactly what I thought i'd see yesterday.

1575
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 8: And I thought i'd see a forty four year old

1576
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 8: Philip Rivers, who I loved do the best he could,

1577
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 8: which I knew and I don't know why Shane Stike and.

1578
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:34,200
Speaker 3: Didn't know would not be good enough to win an

1579
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:35,000
Speaker 3: NFL game.

1580
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:36,280
Speaker 1: I believe that was one of.

1581
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:41,240
Speaker 8: The lowest yardage totals for a total offense in a decade.

1582
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:46,800
Speaker 8: They definitely if Riley was even remotely possible, he should

1583
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:49,280
Speaker 8: have started. Rivers should have been a backup. They should

1584
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:52,919
Speaker 8: have looked for someone else before Rivers bustn't playing football anybody.

1585
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 1: That was a big mistake.

1586
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:56,439
Speaker 8: They cannot go with him again.

1587
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 3: He's a nice guy.

1588
01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:00,120
Speaker 8: I love Rivers. He shouldn't be on the field with

1589
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 8: that team. He held the team back and it was

1590
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 8: a big mistake. And I put it on a Styke,

1591
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 8: not Rivers.

1592
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 7: Okay, So you would not let me let me ask

1593
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 7: you this, Terry, because I think you and I are

1594
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 7: on the same page here. If Shane Styken calls you

1595
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 7: right now and says, Terry, I've got healthy Philip Rivers,

1596
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 7: I've got healthy Riley Leonard, I've got back to practicing.

1597
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:23,639
Speaker 7: Anthony Richardson ranked for me in priority Terry's wish list

1598
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 7: of where they should turn that quarterback one through three.

1599
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 8: Go Riley is first.

1600
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 9: What's the guy?

1601
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:33,880
Speaker 3: The second guy?

1602
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 8: I'm sorry he's hurt with the facial thing.

1603
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:41,000
Speaker 3: Anthony, Anthony, Anthony second. You know he can run the ball.

1604
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 3: He can do a few things and Philip third.

1605
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:47,000
Speaker 8: Again, nothing wrong with Philip. Riley looked really good when

1606
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 8: he played that game the other It's a price how

1607
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 8: calm he was. He's got a good arm, he knew

1608
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:54,479
Speaker 8: where people were going. Philip can't throw it fifteen yards

1609
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 8: on a diamond.

1610
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:59,160
Speaker 7: And that's the problem. Terry Listen, I thought, and I

1611
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:04,080
Speaker 7: appreciate the call. The if you were to analyze Rivers

1612
01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 7: versus Leonard and take the past out of the equation

1613
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 7: in twenty twenty five, right now, in December, ten days

1614
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 7: before Christmas, and you got to analyze and weigh out

1615
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:23,080
Speaker 7: Philip Rivers and Riley Leonard, the reality is this, And

1616
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:26,840
Speaker 7: I thought Rivers yesterday. Yes, he's a cerebral guy. It's fun,

1617
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:29,760
Speaker 7: it's a great story. And trust me, you know he

1618
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:35,559
Speaker 7: the touchdown, passed the back shoulder pass to Alec Pierce.

1619
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:43,120
Speaker 7: He had his moments, for certain, But if all things

1620
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 7: are given equal, in my opinion, the tie has to

1621
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:54,560
Speaker 7: go to the one that has viable future with you

1622
01:31:55,720 --> 01:32:02,439
Speaker 7: and Riley Leonard. Never if Riley Leonard is the Colts

1623
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 7: starting quarterback of the future, then they are in real trouble.

1624
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:11,400
Speaker 7: But if he's going to be your sam Ellinger or

1625
01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:16,800
Speaker 7: your emergency quarterback or your bailout quarterback moving forward, then

1626
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:21,080
Speaker 7: you may as well go with him now, because if

1627
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:24,120
Speaker 7: they if Philip Rivers throws a hail mary, which, by

1628
01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:25,920
Speaker 7: the way, a hail mary for Philip Rivers at this

1629
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:28,320
Speaker 7: point is like twelve yards. But if he throws a

1630
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:31,320
Speaker 7: hail mary for them literally or figuratively speaking, and they

1631
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 7: get into the playoffs, does anybody really think they're gonna

1632
01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:34,639
Speaker 7: make noise?

1633
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 1: I get that.

1634
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:40,600
Speaker 7: The Colts brass has to think that. I get it,

1635
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:45,160
Speaker 7: But in reality I look at it and I go,

1636
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:47,479
Speaker 7: you know what, you may as well if you're gonna

1637
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 7: have to go vanilla, and if you're gonna have to

1638
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:53,480
Speaker 7: utilize Jonathan Taylor, at the very least have a quarterback

1639
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 7: that has maneuverability in the pocket to keep a defense

1640
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 7: softer against Taylor. Because Rivers there, they basically said, yeah,

1641
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:04,719
Speaker 7: just buy one, get one. We're just gonna load everybody

1642
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:06,760
Speaker 7: up from eight yards to the line.

1643
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:08,760
Speaker 1: Stack it.

1644
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:11,800
Speaker 7: That way, we can keep an eye on Taylor and

1645
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 7: Rivers can't throw over us. And I'm not saying Leonard

1646
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:16,840
Speaker 7: could throw over you, but he at least can get

1647
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:20,519
Speaker 7: around you with his legs, and that's the difference. You

1648
01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 7: might as well go with the one that gives you

1649
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:26,040
Speaker 7: a little bit more flexibility. Ken, Ken, what's up?

1650
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:27,760
Speaker 9: Hey?

1651
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:28,559
Speaker 2: How you doing.

1652
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 10: I'm gonna go off of the quarterback situation for a minute, Okay.

1653
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:39,439
Speaker 10: I think it all has to stem with and I'm

1654
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:41,120
Speaker 10: not a lifelong Colts fan.

1655
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 3: I'm not being negative, but as long as.

1656
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 10: Greg Ballard is in charge, Chris Ballard, Chris Ballard, I mean, sorry, no, understandable.

1657
01:33:51,240 --> 01:33:53,759
Speaker 3: It is in charge, We're not going anywhere.

1658
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:59,240
Speaker 9: We're not going anywhere. And Shane is too soft of

1659
01:33:59,320 --> 01:33:59,719
Speaker 9: a coach.

1660
01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:05,360
Speaker 10: And I think the conditioning of the players. They don't

1661
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:08,519
Speaker 10: condition like they used to. I think is why we're

1662
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 10: seeing so many injuries.

1663
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:12,000
Speaker 3: It's sad.

1664
01:34:13,479 --> 01:34:16,720
Speaker 10: You us just my opinion, but Chris Ballard needs to go.

1665
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:20,120
Speaker 10: I'm not sure what we need to do with Shane,

1666
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:24,240
Speaker 10: whether we keep him or toughened him up, but it's

1667
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:25,040
Speaker 10: just too soft.

1668
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 7: I think this, and I appreciate the call, Ken from

1669
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 7: an injury standpoint, you know, league wide, I mean that

1670
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:34,720
Speaker 7: discussion will be and we've had a bunch, right, I mean,

1671
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:36,599
Speaker 7: is it lack of conditioning, lack of training and there

1672
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:40,200
Speaker 7: are a million things. You can look at the part

1673
01:34:40,240 --> 01:34:42,920
Speaker 7: of it being players are bigger, stronger, faster, you know,

1674
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:46,160
Speaker 7: collision not contact sport more so than forty years ago.

1675
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:46,640
Speaker 1: I get it.

1676
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:49,960
Speaker 7: I've also wondered with injuries, whether or not it's the

1677
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:54,559
Speaker 7: fact that we now have the ability to diagnose more

1678
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:56,960
Speaker 7: so than we did thirty years ago. Thirty years ago,

1679
01:34:56,960 --> 01:35:00,680
Speaker 7: we're guys playing with a fracture in their fibula, but

1680
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:04,679
Speaker 7: we just didn't know it, you know, a CAF strain,

1681
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 7: but we just didn't know.

1682
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:05,880
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know.

1683
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:07,720
Speaker 7: I mean, Ralph Free when we have them on next

1684
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:09,400
Speaker 7: would be able to answer that for me how much

1685
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 7: the advance has allowed us to be more aware of

1686
01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 7: things and thus more preventative. But the part about Chris Ballard,

1687
01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:22,880
Speaker 7: I do think that Chris Ballard will be back. I

1688
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:28,960
Speaker 7: do think probably for two reasons. Number One, I think

1689
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:32,639
Speaker 7: that Carl orse Gordon when you are a new owner,

1690
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:35,799
Speaker 7: and I know that she's been around it and involved,

1691
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:38,040
Speaker 7: but in terms of the buck stopping with her, that's

1692
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:42,519
Speaker 7: a new thing this year, right, And I think when

1693
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:46,800
Speaker 7: that happens, you do want to lean into familiarity, and

1694
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:53,320
Speaker 7: Chris Ballard is familiarity and You could also very astutely

1695
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:55,320
Speaker 7: make the point if you wanted to, there would be

1696
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:57,439
Speaker 7: plenty of evidence. If this was high school debate class

1697
01:35:57,560 --> 01:36:00,720
Speaker 7: and you were assigned the assignment of bait, why Chris

1698
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:04,760
Speaker 7: Ballard should return. There is plenty of evidence you can

1699
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:08,439
Speaker 7: point to that this year we forget through eight weeks,

1700
01:36:08,479 --> 01:36:09,800
Speaker 7: people were talking about how that was one of the

1701
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:13,520
Speaker 7: best rosters in the NFL, the most balanced, This incredibly

1702
01:36:14,160 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 7: explosive offense and a defense that was with lou Ana

1703
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:20,479
Speaker 7: Roumo was pushing all the right buttons. And the only

1704
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:25,280
Speaker 7: difference between those that time and now to a large

1705
01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:32,200
Speaker 7: extent is injuries to Forest Buckner. Daniel Jones goes without saying, right,

1706
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:36,320
Speaker 7: Braden Smith, now you know, I mean you have players

1707
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 7: across the board that have been out and those you know,

1708
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:44,599
Speaker 7: and Daniel Jones is a big one. Now, with all

1709
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:50,640
Speaker 7: of that said, I certainly understand that the push in

1710
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:52,479
Speaker 7: and the one thing that if there's one thing that

1711
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:54,920
Speaker 7: you want to be truly that five years from now

1712
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:56,880
Speaker 7: we'll look back on in twenty twenty five and say

1713
01:36:57,040 --> 01:37:00,439
Speaker 7: was an egregious error on the part of Chris Ballard.

1714
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:05,559
Speaker 7: And by the way, Ken, I know no harm at

1715
01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:08,439
Speaker 7: all on the Greg Ballard Chris Ballard Freudian slip. Greg

1716
01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:10,720
Speaker 7: Ballard being a mayor here for a number of years

1717
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:13,320
Speaker 7: in a prominent part of the city, It's totally understandable

1718
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 7: and an easy thing to do. But if there's one

1719
01:37:17,120 --> 01:37:20,720
Speaker 7: thing that you will pinpoint or look back on potentially

1720
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:24,920
Speaker 7: in the future with Chris Ballard, in my opinion, it

1721
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:30,479
Speaker 7: is the possibility that getting too aggressive on that Sauce

1722
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:32,960
Speaker 7: Gardner move is what really is going to hurt him.

1723
01:37:33,160 --> 01:37:35,559
Speaker 7: Because when you were watching that game as I was yesterday,

1724
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:37,840
Speaker 7: and I'm thinking, oh, wow, they might have found something

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01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:41,479
Speaker 7: here with Philip Rivers look at this, and then as

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Speaker 7: Seattle started to kind of figure things out of the

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Speaker 7: course of the game, then you're thinking to yourself, so

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Speaker 7: if they lose this, then what they're probably out of

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Speaker 7: the playoffs, So not mathematically out, but they're probably symbolically out. Okay,

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Speaker 7: Well then well, gee, I don't know, are they better

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Speaker 7: not making the playoffs because it's a better draft pick

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Speaker 7: and you keep forgetting that two first round picks, two

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Speaker 7: of them, two for a corner, Two first round picks

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Speaker 7: for a corner. To me, it feels like if the

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Speaker 7: Pacers had traded two first rounders for a power forward.

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Speaker 7: You know, it's just like, I mean, they're important to have,

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Speaker 7: they're good to have, but did they get too aggressive

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Speaker 7: that that right there is the one thing I don't

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01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:29,400
Speaker 7: think I should cost Chris Ballot his job, But I

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Speaker 7: do think it's something that we're going to look back

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Speaker 7: on and say that it was of significance.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Jaymv's in studio I saw walking around.

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Speaker 7: We'll find out what John's got cooking in his thoughts

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Speaker 7: on the weekend briefly to preview what he has upcoming,

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Speaker 7: and we'll do it next