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Speaker 1: program me. Hear him on the Fan Morning Show, but

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Speaker 1: we want to get as we talked about his boots

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Speaker 1: on the ground down at West fifty six, Shane Steichen

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Speaker 1: talking to the media today, and then everything gets back

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Speaker 1: underway to now shift and kind of turn the page

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Speaker 1: towards the Las Vegas Raiders. James, I'll begin with this.

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Speaker 1: We just talked about it. Kenny Moore, Alec Pierce looks

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Speaker 1: like both of those not going to be Alec Pierce

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Speaker 1: kN kind of go through some things. Will we see

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Speaker 1: Alec Pierce on the field against the Raiders.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does sound like that is trending in the

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Speaker 2: right direction. Shane told us today that Alec Pierce will practice.

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Speaker 2: He's on the protocol, but that's usually normal, just because

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Speaker 2: they usually don't clear the guy until.

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Speaker 1: The following week.

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Speaker 2: And so if things go as planned, I would expect

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Speaker 2: Alec Pearce to be cleared sometimes whether it's Friday or Saturday.

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Speaker 2: And then when it comes to Kenny Moore, he said

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Speaker 2: that he remains out. I did ask him, Hey, is

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Speaker 2: just saying, hey, when he's progressing well, And that's about

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Speaker 2: all the update we got on him. And so those

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Speaker 2: are the two big, you know, injury updates I have for.

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Speaker 1: You, James. When you look at the defensive backfield for

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Speaker 1: the Colts, which is clear and look, I'm not even

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Speaker 1: saying this as a knock on the Colts. I mean

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Speaker 1: it's their achilles right now, but attrition is a huge

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Speaker 1: part of that. And Exavier Howard, I mean it does

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Speaker 1: feel I mentioned last night the Fever were good to

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Speaker 1: the last drop. I feel like they've gotten the last

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Speaker 1: drop out of the career of Xavier Howard. And again

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Speaker 1: it's just it's time, right Do they continue to go

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Speaker 1: that way or does lou An Arumo now say, you

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Speaker 1: know what, we've got to experiment and go somewhere else.

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Speaker 2: That's an interesting question because we were able to follow

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Speaker 2: for anything. But I do feel like you look at

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Speaker 2: the numbers, man and you can look at any site,

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Speaker 2: whether it's pro football focused, ProFootball reference, true media, which

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Speaker 2: we use all these different you know languages speak right

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Speaker 2: now who cares all of it?

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Speaker 3: Says that he's been bad.

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Speaker 2: And if you use your regular eyes, you can tell

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Speaker 2: I think the thing that's probably most concerning when you

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Speaker 2: look at this Jake is some of the effort at

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Speaker 2: the end of he's plays. You go back and watch

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Speaker 2: some of the tape. Man, I'm not like a bidy

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Speaker 2: linguage expert, but you know, there's a couple couple of

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Speaker 2: last guy trying to make a tackle, and so those

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Speaker 2: personally it's time to possibly try something else, because it

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Speaker 2: I mean the passer rating when you're targeting xaving Howard,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just you keep going to that side, right,

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Speaker 1: and then you know the other thing that comes into play,

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Speaker 1: that Jalen Jones was out, then you have Kenny Moore

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Speaker 1: to start kind of reshifting guys around. Okay, the Kenny

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Speaker 1: Moore absence, how relative, Obviously it's relevant, but does it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's necessarily that too much. Because

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Speaker 2: Howard is struggling.

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Speaker 3: And he wasn't their first choice.

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Speaker 3: And if you don't, I mean, what.

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Speaker 2: Are you preaching to your guys. I mean, we heard

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Speaker 2: when lou and Romo got hiring all he doesn't care

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Speaker 2: he's hard knows now it's time to be tough. You

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Speaker 2: believed in this guy you brought up here. He isn't performing,

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Speaker 2: got here. You shouldn't care about Xavion Howard's resume because,

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Speaker 2: as you alluded, to Jake he was a great player.

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Speaker 2: I do not believe he is a great player anymore.

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Speaker 1: James James Boyd is our guest of course with the

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Speaker 1: Athletic but also on the morning show, The Fan Morning Show,

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Speaker 1: along with Kevin Bowen and jeff Rickord. Do you hear

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Speaker 1: Ady Mitchell when he came into the league. The question

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Speaker 1: want you to tell me if you disagree with this statement.

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Speaker 1: The maturity of Ady Mitchell is going to be more

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Speaker 1: forward from a negative experience. And he not had one,

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts absolutely and I think the hardest part, Jake,

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Speaker 2: ask him, will Ady Mitchell play? It was a direct question.

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Speaker 2: He said, we'll see how we go. And so that

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Speaker 1: Not an injury. There is no injury in play that

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Speaker 1: we're aware of. Correct, No, he had no injury.

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Speaker 2: He's fully healthy. It's just a matter of do we

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Speaker 3: There when we need you to perform.

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Speaker 2: And so he kept saying today Shane psyching, that is

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Speaker 2: does that mean, Well, we'll find out certainly throughout this

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Speaker 2: to your point, Jake, if he is not available, how

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Speaker 2: do you handle that? You know, how do you come

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Speaker 2: back from that? How do you act like a professional,

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Speaker 2: How do you coach up your teammates, how do you

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Speaker 3: And how do you you.

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Speaker 2: Know, do all the things that you're supposed to do

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Speaker 2: when you don't get what you want because right now

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Speaker 3: And he's been.

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Speaker 2: Proven, at least through the first you know, stages of

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Speaker 2: But also it's not a career ender. I'm not staying

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Speaker 2: benching for the rest of the year. No one's saying that.

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Speaker 2: But they sit them down for you know, a week.

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Speaker 2: Considering that Alex Pearce is also back in the lineup.

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Speaker 2: Assume that happened, It wouldn't be the worst thing in

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Speaker 1: James. You ever you grew up in northern Illinois, did

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like every kid in America probably did

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Speaker 2: That's a great question. I think one we already hit

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Speaker 2: but I do think you want to see Bernard Ryman,

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Speaker 2: not saying he's going to be in the doghouse, but

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting, left tackle is the one position

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Speaker 1: to me, James that even the very best of the best,

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Speaker 1: it feels like that's the one position. And I think

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Speaker 1: Okay, what else are we looking for today? Or that

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Speaker 2: I think one of them is just looking at Maganzalvez.

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Speaker 3: Al thought they.

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Speaker 3: You know, we've sort of.

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Speaker 2: So to me, the coach are very fortunate to be

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Speaker 1: All right, James, appreciate it. We'll be listening in the morning.

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Speaker 1: All right, appreciate it, brother, have a good one, James

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Speaker 1: Boyd joining us from the Athletic and the Fan morning show.

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Speaker 1: Summer indeed is past, and now we move on to,

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Speaker 1: And I noticed it, whether it was I think it

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Speaker 1: Randy Lewandowski joins us on the program. And Randy, I

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Speaker 1: I thought we could talk about exactly that. How are you.

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Speaker 4: I'm great, Jake, thanks for having me on. And yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's normally a pretty quiet time of the year for

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Speaker 1: Okay. So there's a rich and I talked about this yesterday, Randy.

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Speaker 1: But maybe I'm overthinking it. What was the motivating factor

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Speaker 4: No, I mean you're exactly right, the black and the

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Speaker 5: And or a navy look.

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Speaker 4: what we were leaning into, is the heritage, the nostalgia,

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Speaker 4: That's what we're Indy's original home team. You're going to

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Speaker 1: In terms of and for those that are unfamiliar Randy,

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Speaker 1: Now I realize like kind of multiple logos, right, So

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Speaker 4: The Indie monogram will be primarily at home. We call

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Speaker 4: focus on those can you talk about and we'll still continue,

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Speaker 4: you know, we're focusing on what you've just mentioned, Jake.

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Speaker 4: We'll still continue with our Circle City brand. We're still

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Speaker 5: Those are all.

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Speaker 4: Things that will roll out in the spring, but Right now,

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Speaker 5: That's the circle that you.

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Speaker 5: So that's our primary logo.

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Speaker 4: And then we have the monogram and then the black

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Speaker 4: And we're being more visible than we ever have been

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Speaker 4: We usually go pretty dark, but we're out there with

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Speaker 1: Why the timing on it just I mean, and I

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Speaker 1: like you said, it's been a long time, But was

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Speaker 5: I think a couple things.

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Speaker 1: You know, Randy, this will stun you, I know, but

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Speaker 5: That.

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Speaker 1: Is that stunning to you that I didn't figure that out.

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Speaker 5: No, it's not stunning. Most people did.

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Speaker 4: And I would tell you that it was cleverly done

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Speaker 5: But that was it was two eyes.

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Speaker 1: Well, usually on the last to figure stuff out.

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Speaker 5: Oh it's stunner.

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Speaker 4: Never.

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Speaker 5: Never, you're mister Indianapolis. You've been You've been looking at

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Speaker 4: But it is funny when you start to look at things,

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Speaker 1: Well and then once you see it, you don't unsee

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Speaker 1: been brought up of would Indianapolis ever deviate from the

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Speaker 1: name Indians, And obviously the Cleveland Indians come to mind

439
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Speaker 1: a little bit different in the caricature nature of Chief

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Speaker 1: Wahoo versus say, the way that it's been branded in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: But obviously I and I didn't realize this so I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you expanding on that. There obviously has been a

443
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Speaker 1: very concerted partnership amongst a Native American tribe to make

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Speaker 1: sure that all of this is done within the proper respect,

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Speaker 1: if you will, of that group of people. And so

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Speaker 1: therefore the name I would assume continues for another one

447
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Speaker 1: hundred years as well.

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Speaker 5: We certainly think so.

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Speaker 4: And yes, again, as we forge that relationship with the

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Speaker 4: Miami Nation of Indiana that has been it's been it's

451
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Speaker 4: just like any other partnership and relationship, and this one

452
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Speaker 4: is built on trust and respect and cheap Buchanan and

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Speaker 4: his tribal council, they're based up in Peru, Indiana.

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Speaker 5: It's been a wonderful relationship. We've learned a lot.

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Speaker 4: It's going to allow us to better educate and further

456
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Speaker 4: educate and use our platform to do so. We will

457
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Speaker 4: not be the spokespeople for the Miami Nation. We can't

458
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Speaker 4: be and we won't be. But we can provide a

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Speaker 4: platform for them, and that's something that we have done

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Speaker 4: with our Native American Heritage Nights where we recognize Native

461
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Speaker 4: American veterans. We've got a scholarship program, just other things

462
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Speaker 4: that we can build in regards to that relationship and

463
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Speaker 4: that partnership, and it's been fantastic. There were here Friday

464
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Speaker 4: night from when we did the unveiling. We're going to

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Speaker 4: be super excited when we do again. I mentioned we've

466
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Speaker 4: got something else coming that is even more Native themed

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Speaker 4: in the spring, and they're fully behind all of that

468
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Speaker 4: and they've been a great partner of ours and we're

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Speaker 4: excited to see where that goes in the future.

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Speaker 1: And lastly, the partnership with you know, obviously now being

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Speaker 1: the parent club, being the Pittsburgh Pirates, I'm always fascinated

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Speaker 1: with how those dynamics contractually speaking, work. That partnership extends

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Speaker 1: for how long.

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Speaker 4: That is through two thousand and thirty, so we've got

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Speaker 4: another four or five seasons left in that, and really

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Speaker 4: that becomes it's changed a lot over the years. Those

477
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Speaker 4: used to change every two and four years. Now their

478
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Speaker 4: ten year situations via Major League Baseball, they're more involved

479
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Speaker 4: than they ever have been. And so yeah, we're going

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Speaker 4: to be a proud partner and affiliate with the Pittsburgh

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Speaker 4: Priors through twenty thirty.

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Speaker 1: Do they have say in the branding and the color

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Speaker 1: scheme and that kind of thing They do not.

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Speaker 4: We offered them an opportunity to take a look, and

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Speaker 4: they they're fully aware of what's happening and they're fully supportive.

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Speaker 4: It'll be a little different when we wear navy helmets

487
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Speaker 4: instead of black helmets and everything else, and as players

488
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Speaker 4: coming up and down from different levels, but not all

489
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Speaker 4: their affiliates are the black and gold, and we didn't

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Speaker 4: think that was going to be appropriate here. This is

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Speaker 4: still cold country, a Spacers country. It's Indianapolis, Indians country.

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Speaker 4: We didn't think to introduce black and gold was going

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Speaker 4: to make a lot of sense in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 5: That's for sure.

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Speaker 1: Randy. We certainly appreciate it. I love the look. It

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Speaker 1: is well done. I certainly also a tip of the cap,

497
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Speaker 1: pardon the pun for tying in and letting our listsers

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Speaker 1: know about the tie in as well with you know,

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Speaker 1: the Miami Nation and and the tribute to that in

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Speaker 1: terms of the designs of the look. I'll be over

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Speaker 1: at the gift shop Friday. My buddy Jeff Ester and

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Speaker 1: I are coming to break the bank.

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Speaker 4: All right, sounds great, Jake, appreciate the opportunity and be well.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Randy Lewandowski, who is the president and

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Speaker 1: CEO of the Indianapolis Indians, joining us now on the

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Speaker 1: program from the Indianapolis Star. He is the Indiana athletic

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Speaker 1: beat writer. Zach joins us, Zach, how are you.

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Speaker 5: We have?

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Speaker 2: Zach?

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Speaker 3: I just can't get to the mute buttons fast enough.

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Speaker 5: I apologize, no worries.

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Speaker 3: I got the I got the dog shuffling around in

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Speaker 3: the office with me, and so I needed it and

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Speaker 3: uh yeah, sorry about that.

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Speaker 1: Which dog is this?

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 3: So we have? We have two again? Rebel is what

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Speaker 3: is one of the original that you're familiar with? And

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Speaker 3: then we have a Pyrenee Porter Collie.

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Speaker 1: Mixed name mo now for what I'm thinking? There was one?

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Speaker 5: Was it?

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Speaker 1: Chewye? Was that his name?

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Speaker 3: Chewye was? Chewye was?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Chewy was Chee. He cassed away a couple.

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Speaker 5: Of years ago.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Okay, Chewey made a few radio appearances. If

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Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken. He was not microphone shy, No, he was.

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Speaker 1: He was robust, all right, he was. He was very

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Speaker 1: Rebels football, basketball. I'll let you choose which one you

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Speaker 1: want to lead with here.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm right about basketball today. Might as well start there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you know, how is it. It's fascinating. I

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Speaker 1: was out today at media day for the Horizon League,

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Speaker 1: for example, Zach and you know AU Indy for that matter,

536
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Speaker 1: new coach they've he's brought in. It's very James or

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Speaker 1: excuse me, it's very Kurt Signetti feeling. Ben Hallett, the

538
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Speaker 1: new coach at IU Indy has brought in four players

539
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Speaker 1: from West Liberty where he came and you know, you

540
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Speaker 1: got this whole new roster, so nobody knows right And

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Speaker 1: to an extent, Indiana feels the same way of we

542
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Speaker 1: just kind of don't know the roster yet, but you've

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Speaker 1: gotten indication of it because they've obviously had an off

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Speaker 1: season of some games together. What have you noticed that

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Speaker 1: is going to be different than a year ago? Aside

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Speaker 1: from personnel.

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Speaker 3: And so far as you're in a very different philosophy

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Speaker 3: of roster construction. You know, by choice, Uh, Indiana's going

549
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Speaker 3: to be a fair bit smaller. And I know it.

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Speaker 3: You know, I know Indiana fans will say, oh, you know,

551
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Speaker 3: thank god, we're not going to you know, be playing

552
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Speaker 3: big ball, two big lineups and all that, and it's like, okay,

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Speaker 3: I get that that. You know, just remember that that

554
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Speaker 3: had its advantages right like that, you know, it was

555
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Speaker 3: hard to bully Indiana inside and it's not like I

556
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Speaker 3: think Indiana the last couple of years has been frust

557
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Speaker 3: that there is plenty of quality in the portal if

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Speaker 3: you go looking for a big man. They chose to

559
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Speaker 3: really emphasize guards, wings, shooting, positional interchangeability. You look at

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Speaker 3: the number of guys on this rosters that are somewhere

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Speaker 3: between six four and sixth day and can probably guard

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Speaker 3: you know, at least three, if not four positions, maybe

563
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Speaker 3: even a couple can guard all five positions. You know,

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Speaker 3: the reality is they're starting four man is probably gonna

565
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Speaker 3: be six with seven, but they're all gonna shoot the

566
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Speaker 3: ball an awful lot better than what Indiana fans have

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Speaker 3: seen the last few years. They're obviously going to be

568
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Speaker 3: a very experienced team, which I think is going to

569
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Speaker 3: make a difference. That you could see that in those

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Speaker 3: games that they had to come back from in Puerto Rico.

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Speaker 3: I you wanting to say to Bahamas because they went

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Speaker 3: there twice with Woodson, But you know, it is just

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Speaker 3: it is a roster that is going to look for

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Speaker 3: its shots in different ways. Play defense in different ways,

575
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Speaker 3: move the ball, share the ball, score the ball in

576
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Speaker 3: different ways. I suspect, stylistically in ways that are both

577
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Speaker 3: welcome and in ways that might take some adjustment for

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Speaker 3: some people. The first few games of the season are

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Speaker 3: probably going to be, I would say, something of a

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Speaker 3: mild system.

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Speaker 1: Shot, okay. And with that, the question I would have

582
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Speaker 1: is are they stylistically playing something that cater to what

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Speaker 1: he was able to put together via the portal or

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Speaker 1: did he go out to the portal to get people

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Speaker 1: that stylistically play what he wants to play.

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Speaker 3: I think it's probably more of the latter, Like a

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Speaker 3: lot of what he talked about, you know, when he

588
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Speaker 3: talked about kind of his principles and his approach when

589
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Speaker 3: he was hired, and certainly if you talk to people

590
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Speaker 3: who know him from his time at Drake and his

591
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Speaker 3: one year at West Virginia, which admittedly that was a

592
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Speaker 3: little bit of a weirder sort of sample sized because

593
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Speaker 3: he lost his son early in that season and just

594
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Speaker 3: kind of I think had to change the way that

595
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Speaker 3: team tried to win games. But I think that a

596
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Speaker 3: lot of what Indiana did in the portal was informed

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Speaker 3: by what Debrees wants. His seems to be and not

598
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Speaker 3: the other way around. Now, you are always, especially in

599
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Speaker 3: a low volume player sport, And what I mean by

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Speaker 3: that is there are just a limited number of you know,

601
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Speaker 3: compared to football, compared to baseball, compared to soccer, there

602
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Speaker 3: are just fewer players on the floor at any given time.

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Speaker 3: In basketball, You're always going to be a little bit

604
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Speaker 3: beholden to your talent, right, You're always going to have

605
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Speaker 3: to adjust based on what you're able to you know,

606
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Speaker 3: what you're able to acquire, and you know, this year, obviously,

607
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Speaker 3: Indiana's needs were fairly extreme because they had to renovate

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Speaker 3: their entire roster, at least in terms of the scholarship

609
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Speaker 3: spots scholarship players. But I do think that a lot

610
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Speaker 3: of these sort of floor spacing, high tempo motion offense principles,

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Speaker 3: sort of vision that degrees laid out, I think a

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Speaker 3: lot of these players fit that at least at a

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Speaker 3: basic level. I think I think what he does this

614
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Speaker 3: year is going to reflect in some pretty fundamental ways

615
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Speaker 3: he wants it seems to be philosophically and structurally, and

616
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Speaker 3: again that will always vary somewhat because you will always

617
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Speaker 3: be beholden to your talent to a certain degree in basketball,

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Speaker 3: But I don't think he necessarily just went out and

619
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Speaker 3: got to thirteen best players he could find and said,

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Speaker 3: you know, I'll once I've got my roster, I'll draw

621
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Speaker 3: up my plan for next year. You know.

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Speaker 1: The it's interesting Zach because we didn't know a lot

623
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Speaker 1: about him coming in right talking about coach de Breze,

624
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Speaker 1: I the you know West Virginia. I talked to some

625
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Speaker 1: people from West Virginia. I don't remember where I was recently.

626
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Speaker 1: I saw a guy wear in a West Virginia hat,

627
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Speaker 1: you know, talked to him, Oh, yeah, we're from Morgantown.

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Speaker 1: And the guy said, he said, look, we thought he

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Speaker 1: was going to be here a long time. I mean

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Speaker 1: like he had that kind of a feel of really

631
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Speaker 1: good coach and whatever else. And he said, I understand

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Speaker 1: why you would leave to go to Indiana. But so

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Speaker 1: with that said, you know, when you when you watch

634
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Speaker 1: or you're around it, does he seem to be the

635
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Speaker 1: lead by example, like kind of quiet leader, just confident

636
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Speaker 1: type like what we see in a Kurt Signetti Or

637
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Speaker 1: is he more of the you know, high energy, run around,

638
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: frantic Tom Creane level coach or is he a Bob

639
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Speaker 1: Knight coach.

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Speaker 3: So I would say I've gotten to sit in on

641
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Speaker 3: I guess three practices now if that's because I got

642
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Speaker 3: to see him once out in Puerto Rico, and that

643
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Speaker 3: one was I would describe maybe as more of a

644
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Speaker 3: workout than a practice, but also obviously been able to

645
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Speaker 3: see him coach three games. I think what I have

646
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Speaker 3: observed of him in practice is distinct to what I

647
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Speaker 3: have observed of him in games, and that is kind

648
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Speaker 3: of what I was told to expect with him. He

649
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Speaker 3: is very competitive in games. Although someone told me, and

650
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Speaker 3: I have not had the bandwidth and the desire to

651
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Speaker 3: look this up, someone told me he never been whistled

652
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Speaker 3: for a technical foul, and I'm not kind of hard

653
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Speaker 3: to believe for somebody who's been head coaches as long

654
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Speaker 3: as he has. But he is a very competitive guy

655
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 3: within game like he's a very you know, like I mean,

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Speaker 3: even those games in the I keeps saying the Bahamas,

657
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 3: even those games in Puerto Rico, which anybody who was

658
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 3: on that trip could tell were probably the lowest priority

659
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 3: of the entire preseason tour sort of apparatus for Indiana.

660
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 3: Once he got into those games, he was fiery, he

661
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 3: was competitive, he wanted to win them. But in practices

662
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: he's When I say he's high energy, I just mean

663
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 3: he's kind of all over the place and involved, but

664
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 3: he's not barking in people's faces. There's not a lot

665
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 3: of you know, sort of screaming, yelling. You know, he's

666
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 3: not overly demonstrative. Honestly, his practice is remind me of

667
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: Signetti's in how efficient they are. They just moved very quickly.

668
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 3: He's not afraid to cut a drill short if he

669
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 3: feels like everything that needs to you know, everything that

670
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 3: needs to get accomplished, has gotten accomplished. There's not a

671
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: lot of wasted efforts. There's not a lot of wasted movement.

672
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 3: It is much more sort of professional and business like

673
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 3: when you are in kind of that teaching learning practice setting.

674
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: By the way, I just pulled this up an article

675
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: from this time a year ago, as a matter of fact,

676
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: October fourth of twenty twenty four, this from West Virginia.

677
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: I mostly calm mostly and by the way, are we

678
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: going with the Rezer devrise? I hear both debrees, Okay,

679
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: I mostly calm, mostly, Debrez said when asked about his

680
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: end game demeanor, I haven't had a technical foul yet,

681
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: so that gives you a little bit of an idea.

682
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: His son's eyes light up. That is correct. Through two

683
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: hundred and five career games as a head coach at Drake,

684
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: he had never been given a technical foul. So, assuming

685
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: he did not get one last year with the Mountaineers,

686
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,239
Speaker 1: than that factoid.

687
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 3: Is he was close a couple of times in Puerto Rico.

688
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: And swimming well. Listen, there's a long history of Indiana

689
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: coaches losing their temper in Puerto Rico.

690
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 3: So why I hope someday the film of these game

691
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 3: services because the officiating, and I know it was being

692
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 3: played on international rules and that was part of it.

693
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 3: The officiating was remarkable. Some of the screens that were

694
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 3: getting set would be better described as pass blocking.

695
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: It was, and then and.

696
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 3: But then some of the stuff that wasn't getting let go.

697
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 3: And then you know, there was a play and I'm

698
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 3: taking in the weeds now, but there was a play

699
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 3: where a Serbian, one of the players in the Serbian

700
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 3: team tooked Trent Sisly and then fell down to make

701
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 3: it look like Sisly pulled him down, and the referee

702
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 3: didn't buy it. And blew an offensive foul and Cissely

703
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 3: just just bent over like six inches from his face

704
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 3: and started barking at him. And it's just all this

705
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 3: stuff that you know would never happen in a Big

706
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 3: ten game. That was just absolute sort of summer backtal mayhem.

707
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: I what the mayhem of international play? You know, it

708
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: looks like these guys are all playing at the tabernacle

709
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: like that with a voight basketball and people are throwing stuff.

710
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: It's like being at an Oasis show. Let's go right,

711
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: I mean, let's go go bigger, go home. Hey, Zach,

712
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: you mentioned Signetti. What is Indiana's I guess schedule or

713
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: do they deviate from it in terms of a bye

714
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: week and the way that he handles a bye week

715
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: versus a regular.

716
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 3: Week, so he'll pull some some of the load off

717
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 3: of his players, you know, practices, and this is I

718
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 3: don't think this is anything terribly unconventional. Practices might be

719
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 3: a little bit shorter or a lot of what you'll

720
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 3: see a lot of coaches do in bye weeks is

721
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 3: that the guys who get more reps will be the

722
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 3: guys who aren't getting a lot of reps during game preps.

723
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 3: So younger players, backups, red shirts, guys like that. So

724
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 3: you're simultaneously kind of creating some opportunities for young guys

725
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 3: to maybe you know, grow a little bit and develop

726
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 3: a little bit in ways that they wouldn't get in

727
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 3: a game week where you've obviously got to commit most

728
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 3: of your time and effort to preparing your starters. And

729
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 3: then the same time you're also taking some of the

730
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 3: physical load off of your your ones and twos. And

731
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 3: the other thing that that every staff does during the

732
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 3: bye week is, you know, and this is this will

733
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 3: also affect how you structure your practicees. Coaches are in

734
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: and out of town because they're out recruiting. I've seen

735
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 3: a host of in particular, I think defensive line offers

736
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 3: that have been tweeted out in the last like twenty

737
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 3: four hours. If that gives you a sense for like

738
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 3: Buddha Williams and Pac Mons probably are right now, they

739
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 3: are probably not on the practice field, or at least

740
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 3: they haven't been in recent days because they have been

741
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 3: out recruiting. Every staff uses the bye week to go

742
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 3: check in on the guys who are committed, make sure

743
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,919
Speaker 3: they're still solid, make sure they're still feeling I guess,

744
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 3: for lack of a better term, feeling the love, and

745
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 3: especially because basically all the offers I've seen today and

746
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 3: yesterday have been flats to twenty twenty seven players. You

747
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 3: didn't news to offer juniors this early in the cycle

748
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 3: as often, but now so many of those guys are

749
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 3: committing in March, April, May, June, as opposed to August, October, November, December,

750
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 3: or even into obviously the sort of pre December signing

751
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: window era where you we went all the way to February.

752
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 3: You got to start recruiting those kids earlier because they're

753
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 3: committing earlier, and you need to be involved with them earlier.

754
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 3: In the bye week. I think is important for that

755
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 3: because if we're gonna shift the calendar back a few months,

756
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 3: then that means when you when you prioritize where you're

757
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: going and who you're seeing in your bye week recruiting visits,

758
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 3: you're gonna need to start really digging into what is

759
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 3: the sort of current junior class as well.

760
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: I want to feel the love, you know what I mean?

761
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: Like we all want to feel the love, Like Eddie

762
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: Win's the last time you felt the love. I have

763
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: no idea Zach, like from the general public, tell me

764
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: the last time you felt the love if you're a recruit,

765
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 1: Like you're a recruit, Zach, and people are like writing

766
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: you letters and they're telling you how great you are,

767
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: and they're they're blowing you up on social media. I mean,

768
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 1: I got one guy that blows me up on social media,

769
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: and it's only because he constantly sends a picture of

770
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: me and says queer. That's all I get. That's all

771
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: that's all I love, I get.

772
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 3: I see. I mean, I will say, the one time

773
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 3: in my life that I understood a little bit of

774
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 3: the USh that athletes get from the attention is when

775
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 3: I rode Little five and like the whole had, the

776
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 3: whole attorney has to be out there to see you off,

777
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: and everybody's cheering you and everybody chant your name, and

778
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 3: I don't get it. I mean, I don't get me wrong.

779
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: It was when you rode Little five.

780
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 3: I wrote for a frattorney called sigmal.

781
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: Fam Okay, Sammy says, we know it right, yes, correct?

782
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: So you were a Sammy and you you were were

783
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: you the anchor guy? Were you that like in Breaking Away?

784
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: Which one? Were you?

785
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:28,959
Speaker 5: Well?

786
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 3: So the thing is like in breaking Away, none of

787
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 3: them do anything except Dave Stoler. I was a lap eater.

788
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 3: I wasn't very fast, but I had an engine, and.

789
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 1: You know in college I was a lap eater too. Funny.

790
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna leave that one alone, but I was.

791
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 3: I was always like on the heavy side for for

792
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 3: a cyclist. But the advantage in little five is there's

793
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 3: no hills to climb, So, if anything, kind of guys

794
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 3: with a little bit more power had a little bit

795
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 3: of advantage just to be able to sit in and

796
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 3: just just turn over and just just like just you know,

797
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 3: over up. Long stretches of the race, and the men's

798
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 3: race in particular is just like a total war of attrition.

799
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 3: There are long stretches of that race where it's just

800
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 3: about surviving, not trashing, you know, preserving as much energy

801
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 3: as possible, and that was always my strength. You you

802
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 3: guys are finishing last in the average.

803
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: What place were you?

804
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 5: Jeez uh pack.

805
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 3: Now we were, well, yeah, we were. We finished in

806
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 3: We finished in the trophy spots twice, eleventh and fourteen.

807
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: I'm going to guess I want to say twenty fifth

808
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 3: and twentieth.

809
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to guess who won it? Your last year?

810
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 5: You ready?

811
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,479
Speaker 1: What what year did you run? The Little five?

812
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 3: Two thousand and nine, two six and nine, all four

813
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 3: of those years.

814
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to guess who won it? You ready?

815
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 1: Uh Fiji, Nope, Cutters.

816
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 3: The Cutters won it my last three years running. That

817
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 3: was part of a stretch of five in a row.

818
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 3: That was the first. I'm gonna get people totally in

819
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 3: the weeds. Now you've done it, We're gonna this is

820
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 3: give me the rest of the show. That was the

821
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 3: first of the three years of Eric Young, who later

822
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 3: won two i think two USA Criterion Championships and turned

823
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 3: pro and cycling. Won the field sprint for Cutters.

824
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: Ey as he's known with his friends. Okay, so then

825
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: there's one other one. I'm gonna go with Pike.

826
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 3: Now, Pike was never any Pike was never really good

827
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 3: when I was there. It was a fraternity though.

828
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: Okay, so what who was the other one that won it?

829
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 3: A CEO Alpha Tallen Meager. They had a rider named

830
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 3: Hans Arniston who actually lapped the field, which is especially

831
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 3: difficult to do.

832
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: That's cool. Yeah, they got booted off theres when I

833
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: was there, so that's cool. I'm glad to see they

834
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 1: rounded things out.

835
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 3: I think they've I think they've since gone through that

836
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 3: cycle a few times, so I tried to I try

837
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 3: to stay out of the Greek politics of it all.

838
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: Hey, kid, can Indiana beat Oregon?

839
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 5: And yes?

840
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, you know, let's rephrase that. Can

841
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: Indiana still make the college football Playoff if they lose

842
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: to Oregon and also to and I think they'll beat

843
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: Penn State, especially if they're ranked in the top ten.

844
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: But if Indiana goes in and is andarrowly is defeated

845
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: by both Oregon and Penn State but wins out otherwise,

846
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: do they still get in the college football Playoffs?

847
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 3: I think they've got a good chance. Obviously, that will

848
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: depend on what happens elsewhere, you know, like does the

849
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 3: Big twelve have two teams? Certainly doesn't seem like the

850
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 3: ACC has two teams. I think there might be an

851
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 3: a more compelling argument by the end of the year

852
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 3: for two group of five teams in the playoff as

853
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 3: opposed to ACC teams. I don't think that will happen,

854
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 3: but I think that that is potentially there's there's a

855
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 3: potentially more compelling argument forming there. It will depend, like

856
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 3: it did last year, on how much the SEC cannibalizes itself,

857
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 3: you know, and just how many of those can how

858
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 3: many SEC teams genuinely sort of old in above the

859
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 3: rest of the field in that conference. But I think

860
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 3: ten and two, with the wins you're talking the winds

861
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 3: Indiana already has and the losses you're talking about this

862
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 3: year probably actually hands Indiana a more compelling resume than

863
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 3: eleven and one last year because the schedule was just

864
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 3: so bad and it wasn't you know, by and large,

865
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 3: that wasn't Indiana's fault. They did everything they could with it.

866
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 3: You know, they only there are eleven wins. They only

867
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 3: won one by what was it, fewer than two touchdowns?

868
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 3: You know, they they the reason they got in the

869
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 3: playoff was because of how dominance they were against even

870
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 3: a terrible schedule. But it was a terrible schedule. This

871
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 3: schedule is a lot tougher. The losses will improve Let's

872
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 3: let's live in this hypothetically you've laid out. The losses

873
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 3: will improve the strength of schedule just as much as

874
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 3: the winds will. As long as Illinois doesn't go in

875
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 3: the tank, the wins are going to hold up because

876
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 3: Indiana didn't just beat Illinois. Indiana put Illinois through the

877
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 3: four like iron Man and winning at Iowa. Whatever Iowa does,

878
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 3: that's always going to carry a certain amount of weight

879
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 3: because that is one of the most sort of uniquely

880
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 3: difficult places in the country to go relative to its

881
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 3: conference and everything else. Like I said this to somebody

882
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 3: on Sunday, Iowa at Kinnick on a Saturday and Big

883
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 3: Ten play is the closest thing the conference has to

884
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 3: the option anymore. That's how like distinct the challenge of

885
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 3: Iowa football is, especially in that environment. I don't just

886
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 3: mean schematically, I mean like structurally philosophically, that win will

887
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 3: hold up at least to the baseline. Indiana's big thing,

888
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 3: I think in terms of its own playoff candidacy, as

889
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 3: you said, don't go to Penn State or Oregon and

890
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 3: just get completely run out. Now, maybe you could afford

891
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 3: to lose one of those games kind of heavy. Like

892
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 3: if Indiana goes to Oregon and loses thirty five to seventeen,

893
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 3: we said, well, you know what, they had to fly

894
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 3: across the country. It's Austin. Oregon might be the best

895
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 3: team in college football. Maybe you can live with that,

896
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 3: just don't do it against Penn State two. And I

897
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 3: think that's It's interesting because Indiana's not really like last

898
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 3: weekend was the first time Indiana won a meaningful road

899
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 3: game under Kurt Signetty in a difficult environment against a

900
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 3: good team. This not this weekend, but next weekend. This

901
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 3: next game is kind of the first time Indiana's played

902
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 3: a game under kurtz signety where there's relatively little pressure

903
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 3: like that, Indiana doesn't have to win this game. Indiana

904
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 3: doesn't even necessarily have to lose this game on the

905
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,919
Speaker 3: last second field goal. Indiana went to Ohio State last

906
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 3: year that Indiana was the team in that game everybody

907
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 3: had eyes on because everyone wanted Indiana to prove themselves

908
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 3: or not. That doesn't exist in this game. There is

909
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 3: there is a notable lack of sort of pressure or

910
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 3: demand on Indiana going into the Oregon game. And I

911
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 3: don't know if that makes Indiana better or worse than

912
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 3: I find it fastening.

913
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: Zach Osterman is with the Indianapolis Star. He is the

914
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: Indiana Athletics beat writer. He also was a labed eater

915
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: in college. Zach appreciate the time as always and we'll

916
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: talk to you certainly as we get closer to the

917
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: time when the Hoosiers are going out to take on

918
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: the Ducks.

919
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 3: Absolutely, thanks for having me as.

920
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: Always appreciate it. Zach joining us on the program, joining

921
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: us now on the program, and I'm sure probably completely

922
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: confused as to where we're going with all of that.

923
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: He is the beat writer for Purdue Athletics. He is

924
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: with the Lafayette Now is it Journal Courier or Caurier Journal?

925
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 6: The first one?

926
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 1: Journal Courier?

927
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 6: Right, yes, Journal and Caurier technically, but.

928
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: Journal and Courier. And I apologize for that, Sam, it's

929
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: a mental block of mind because Louisville is the opposite, right, yes,

930
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: and start with an L.

931
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 6: Yes.

932
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: Okay, well it is, am I correct in saying Illinois

933
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: and Purdue this weekend play for a little cannon, right,

934
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: that is correct.

935
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 6: I don't know if it functions.

936
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 7: I've never seen it actually fired, but it's very small.

937
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 7: It looks like something you would put on your bookshelf

938
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 7: and your den at home.

939
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's basically a paper weight, is what it is, Eddie. Right,

940
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: Can Jake just say the LJC.

941
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 7: We call it the Jay and c here, But you know,

942
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 7: I'll call it whatever they want as long as they

943
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 7: keep paying me the LJ and C.

944
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: Right, like with so much drama that is written about

945
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: in the Lafia. Anyway, Okay, Sam, let's begin with this.

946
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: I personally think and this is an intriguing matchup because

947
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: I think Illinois is very good. Indiana obviously, you know,

948
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: exposed them and ran all over them, but they are

949
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: still a stout opponent. But I think Purdue is better

950
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: than I know. It sounds ridiculous to say what their

951
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: record says, but what I like about Barry Odom's team,

952
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: and I want you to elaborate on this. They look

953
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: like one that maybe isn't as talented, but plays within

954
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: themselves and is disciplined. Now, am I going on too

955
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: small a sample side to say that, No, I.

956
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 7: Think that's fair. I mean, you're a third of the

957
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 7: way through the season. Now, I think that's a uh,

958
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 7: you know, considerable simple side to go on. And you're

959
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 7: right when you look at the team that Perdue had

960
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 7: last year and where some of those players transferred to

961
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 7: and what they're doing at marquee programs around the country.

962
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 7: Purdue was a talented team last year and went one

963
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 7: and eleven and this year, you know, maybe not as

964
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 7: many high end NFL prospect type players, but definitely, you know,

965
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 7: a connected team and a team that you know, at

966
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 7: least offensively, has looked pretty good for the most part

967
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 7: through four games, but you know, it kind of was

968
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 7: punching against their punching above its its way the last

969
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 7: couple of games, and the score indicated as much, but

970
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 7: not a lot of shame. And you know, and having

971
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 7: a chance to knock off USC and then up thirty

972
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 7: at Notre Dame, you would feel like that should have

973
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 7: you in the game. And uh, you know that was

974
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 7: the case of where the defense kind of let Purdue down.

975
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 7: But now you get Illinois. That's you know, has been

976
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 7: the last couple of weeks up and down. Made some

977
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 7: mistakes against USC, but wins it at the end. I

978
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 7: do think Illinois is a better team than what it

979
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 7: showed against Indiana. That was just a case where it

980
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 7: was just a downhill snowball coming and there was no

981
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 7: stopping it. And I think the Indiana realized that was

982
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 7: an opportunity to really show the playoffs.

983
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 6: Committee how good of a team it is.

984
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 7: And you know, a school that's not getting in a

985
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 7: lot of respect for what it's done the last couple

986
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 7: of years, took advantage of what was going on there.

987
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 7: But yeah, I think this is going to be It

988
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 7: always is a fight, whether it Purdue's good, Illinois is good.

989
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 7: There's been years where both of them have been bad,

990
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 7: but it's always a game that seems to go down

991
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 7: to the wire, and that was the case even a

992
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 7: year ago where it was fifty to forty nine in overtime.

993
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: I thought, in particular in the USC game, we'll start

994
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: with that, Sam, that Purdue was effective and at times

995
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: almost impressive, but they had massive problems in the red zone,

996
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: and you know, and then Notre Dame they went trickery

997
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: a couple of times to get creative, and I think

998
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: in that one probably just overall strength and depth of

999
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: raw does you in a little bit. But in terms

1000
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: of taking care of the football or trying to be

1001
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: more effective in the red zone, Purdue has tried to

1002
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: do what differently.

1003
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: Well.

1004
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 7: I think Perdue did a better job last or I

1005
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 7: guess it's two weeks ago now, but you're right that

1006
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 7: USC game, Perdue got in the red zone three times

1007
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 7: where it came away with zero points. Three interceptions after

1008
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 7: getting inside the twenty, it's going to be tough to

1009
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 7: beat anybody, let alone an opponent that probably.

1010
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 6: Has more talent than you, and pretty kind of took

1011
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 6: care of that. I think. The number one.

1012
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 7: Issue I think, and those two weather delayed games that

1013
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 7: they've played as of late, has been the other team

1014
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 7: hasn't had to punt. And you're not going to beat

1015
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 7: anybody if you don't have a pitcher of punt return

1016
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 7: team out.

1017
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 6: On the field.

1018
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 1: And that's the thing, right they You know, it's hard

1019
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: to judge though for me, Sam, that's what I said

1020
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: when I said small sample size because you know, Southern

1021
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: Illinois Ball State. No dis respect to those programs, but

1022
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 1: they're not SC and Notre Dame, right. And it's weird

1023
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: because with SC you look at that game and it

1024
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: feels like they were in it. I mean, but were

1025
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: they you know what I mean? Like, do you think

1026
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: SC ever really thought to themselves that they were in

1027
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: any sort of jeopardy against Purdue.

1028
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was kind of a weird game because the

1029
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 7: weather delay happened in the middle of that game that

1030
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 7: took forever, and I think that just threw off probably

1031
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 7: both teams. But especially the team that traveled across the

1032
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 7: country to get there and thought I was playing a

1033
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 7: day game turned a night game.

1034
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 6: But yeah, it never seemed like Perdue.

1035
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 7: Had opportunities where okay, if Purdue scores here, it gets

1036
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 7: it to within one score. But it was never to

1037
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 7: the point where, okay, this is the game changing drive

1038
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 7: where Purdue can take the lead or whatever. And unfortunately

1039
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 7: for Purdue, one of those momentum changing possibilities turned into

1040
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 7: Ryan Brown getting hit as you throw through the ball

1041
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 7: and four hundred pound House taking it off and running

1042
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 7: seventy yards for a touchdown, and that kind of just defleated,

1043
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 7: deflated everything.

1044
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 6: But yeah, you're right when you look at that.

1045
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 7: And he threw three interceptions down after getting in the

1046
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 7: red zone and you lose by sixteen. You walk away

1047
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 7: from a game like that feeling like you know what if.

1048
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 7: But that said, there were also some plays that work

1049
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 7: to produce benefits, one of those being a double lateral

1050
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 7: that USC's defense didn't recognize. Was a lateral that the

1051
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 7: quarterback just picks up off the ground and Waltz is

1052
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 7: in the end zone from twenty six yards or whatever.

1053
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 7: It was.

1054
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: The I like Devin maccabee a lot, Sam Okay, and

1055
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: I think he is a he can be even like

1056
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: a pound you between the tackles back, But they're utilizing

1057
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 1: him a lot for Ryan Brown out of the backfield.

1058
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: Do they need to find better balance in terms of

1059
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: maybe not getting macaby in the passing game. He's been

1060
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: very good, but his yards per carry I think has

1061
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: dipped a little bit in terms of the running game itself.

1062
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: Do they continue with that versatility for him or do

1063
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: they start using him more as strictly a running back

1064
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 1: versus receiving back.

1065
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 7: What I think is the case right now is the

1066
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 7: line has not been very good at run blocking, and

1067
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 7: Purdue has masked it well with what it's been able

1068
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 7: to do in the passing game or getting creative at times.

1069
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 7: But you're right, Purdue has to be able to run

1070
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 7: the football to win in this league. And even though

1071
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,240
Speaker 7: pretty put up a lot of rushing yards against Southern Illinois,

1072
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 7: it was still a three point nine yards per carry clip,

1073
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 7: which isn't great, especially considering you play in an FCS team.

1074
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 6: And should be able to kind of impose your will.

1075
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 7: Devin Mackabie is a proven talent as a running back

1076
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 7: He's picked up a lot of yards, had a lot

1077
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 7: of yards per carry.

1078
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 6: Even for some bad teams the last two years.

1079
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 7: But yeah, that's the one area that's most concerning so

1080
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 7: far is that Purdue hasn't shown an ability to consistently

1081
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 7: run the football and move the chains and stay ahead

1082
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 7: of the chains using the ground game. When you have

1083
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 7: running back to caliber of Devin Makyby, is.

1084
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: Purdue gonna be the best team in the country in

1085
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 1: college basketball?

1086
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 6: Man?

1087
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 7: I would say if there's a team better, that team's

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Speaker 7: got to be mighty impressive, because just seeing a couple

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Speaker 7: of practices so far, this is crazy. I think Purdue's

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Speaker 7: you know, second unit or you know whoever they deem

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Speaker 7: is the second five lineup. That team is probably an

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Speaker 7: NCAA tournament's caliber team alone. So when you have that

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Speaker 7: kind of coming off your bench, that's deep, and that's

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Speaker 7: you know, probably even better for practice, you get kind

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Speaker 7: of competitive Big ten style games in preparation for a

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Speaker 7: Big ten game.

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Speaker 1: Who has most as you have watched them and I've

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Speaker 1: watched some practices of Matt Payne or Sam Sam King

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Speaker 1: is our guest from lof Field. We're talking about Purdue.

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Speaker 1: I've watched paint or practices, especially at the beginning of

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Speaker 1: the year, and it is impressive because it's not like

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Speaker 1: you know, drill sergeant camp type stuff. It's just consistently

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Speaker 1: going through and kind of setting tempo as to who

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Speaker 1: and what they want to be. When you've watched it

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Speaker 1: this year, who has jumped out at you, either that

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Speaker 1: you were expecting at this point to see a little

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Speaker 1: more or because you thought to yourself, this guy is

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Speaker 1: going to break into rotation earlier than we thought.

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Speaker 7: There's two guys I'm going to give you, and I'm

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Speaker 7: not sure how much either of them are going to play,

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Speaker 7: which is just maybe a testament to how deep this

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Speaker 7: team is.

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Speaker 6: But one is Jack Binter.

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Speaker 7: He was a state champion at Brownstown that was the

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Speaker 7: coach there and he redshirted last year, but even last

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Speaker 7: year just as a member of the practice team was

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Speaker 7: having some practices where he was lighting up guys that

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Speaker 7: were getting major minutes for one of the.

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Speaker 6: Top teams in the country. So he's definitely a.

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Speaker 7: Talented player and somebody who probably alleviates some of the

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Speaker 7: loss of Cam Heide going to Texas because he's versatile

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Speaker 7: enough to know he's a really good shooter. He can

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Speaker 7: play the three, he can play the four and do

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Speaker 7: a lot of different things. The other one is Antoine West,

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Speaker 7: who's a true freshman and he's looked really, really good

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Speaker 7: in the times that we've got to see him. And

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Speaker 7: the problem is he's a guard on a team that

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Speaker 7: has a ton of guards. So you know there's going

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Speaker 7: to be really good players that maybe play five minutes,

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Speaker 7: maybe you know, come in and spell a guy for

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Speaker 7: a couple of minutes, and you have to make the

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Speaker 7: most of those opportunities. But it's probably not going to

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Speaker 7: be great for your overall stat line at the end

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Speaker 7: of the season. But still, if everybody can buy into

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Speaker 7: maybe whatever role they have, even how small it might be,

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Speaker 7: this team should be able to win the whole thing,

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Speaker 7: I would think.

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Speaker 6: But that's a long way to go.

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Speaker 7: And as Trey Coffman, Wrenn told me last week, you know,

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Speaker 7: we may be the number one team in the country,

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Speaker 7: but we haven't played anybody yet.

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Speaker 6: So he called it.

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Speaker 7: He kind of likened it to participation trophies and told

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Speaker 7: me how much his grandfather hates participation trophies and that

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Speaker 7: they're getting all these awards and accolades for things that

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Speaker 7: haven't even happened.

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Speaker 1: Yet stand in terms of you know, because there was

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Speaker 1: so much praise and expectation a year ago. It's interesting, Sam,

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Speaker 1: whenever you know Zach Edy was such a great player, right,

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Speaker 1: and then when he leaves, automatically your people are saying,

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Speaker 1: who's the next Zachety? You know who is Jacobson has

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Speaker 1: the injury and then has to sit out the year.

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Speaker 1: Where do things stand in terms of the center position.

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Speaker 7: Well, there's Jacobson is back healthy, has put on some weights.

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Speaker 7: It still looks like he's thinned, but I think just

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Speaker 7: being seven foot four and nineteen years old or whatever,

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Speaker 7: that's probably natural. And between he and Oscar Cluff, you

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Speaker 7: kind of get all of what Purdue needed last year

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Speaker 7: out of that position without Zach Edy. Oscar Kluff is

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Speaker 7: one of the best rebounding big men in the country

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Speaker 7: a year ago. Granted it was at South Dakota State,

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Speaker 7: so the caliber of competition will be much different, but

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Speaker 7: it seems to be a skill that has translated. And

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Speaker 7: Jacobson is the rim protection you didn't have last year,

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Speaker 7: being seven foot four, being a shot locker. Both of

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Speaker 7: those guys also can come away from the basket and shoot,

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Speaker 7: which is something we saw in the NBA last year.

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Speaker 7: Zachiet he is capable of, but it would have been

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Speaker 7: coaching malpractice if Matt Painter did that with him at Purdue.

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Speaker 7: So he just parked in the paint and had field

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Speaker 7: days at the rim. But I believe between those two guys,

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Speaker 7: you moved Trey Coppan Rent to the four, you open

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Speaker 7: up a whole new world of possibilities with what Purdue

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Speaker 7: is capable of. Because Trey Kaupman Wren was so effective

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Speaker 7: at being the five last year offensively that he's got

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Speaker 7: a lot of different skill sets there, and he kind

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Speaker 7: of acquired this little mini hook that he took advantage

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Speaker 7: of last year and now produce doing some things out

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Speaker 7: of that where it looks like Trey Coupman Wren's going

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Speaker 7: to take the shot and he just kind of loves

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Speaker 7: it over the top of the defender and you don't

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Speaker 7: have to get it too high for a seven foot

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Speaker 7: four guy to go up and dunk it. So there's

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Speaker 7: some little wrinkles that produce adding in there. And I

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Speaker 7: think this is going to be a really tough team

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Speaker 7: to defend, and when teams adjust, I think Purdue has

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Speaker 7: kind of the CounterPunch to it.

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Speaker 1: Lastly, Sam, I want to know what it is about.

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Speaker 1: And look, I know they lost you know, Miles Colvin,

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Speaker 1: I know they lost cam Heidi. I get it. But

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Speaker 1: take a Trey Kaufman Wrenn. You know, here's a guy

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Speaker 1: that comes in. He's in the same class as Caleb First,

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Speaker 1: he red Shirts. He sees first getting minutes right away,

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Speaker 1: he waits his turn, He's got Edie there, he's kind

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Speaker 1: of got to play like alongside but also behind him,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. And it just seems like with Produce, you know,

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Speaker 1: Braden Smith and Fletcher Lawyer wud be prime examples of

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Speaker 1: this as well. This is a program that has guys

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Speaker 1: that could probably cash in literally and figuratively by going elsewhere,

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Speaker 1: but they seem to kind of what I like what

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Speaker 1: I was just talking about with the Fever, buy into

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Speaker 1: this team concept. What is it about that program that

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Speaker 1: in fact makes it different?

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Speaker 7: Well, I think the number one thing is Matt Painter,

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Speaker 7: and he is brutally honest sometimes and some players don't.

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Speaker 6: Want to hear that.

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Speaker 7: They want to be told they're great and everything else,

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Speaker 7: but other people respond well to that. And he'd never

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Speaker 7: promised these guys anything. He never promised Fresh Fletcher, Lawyer,

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Speaker 7: Braden Smith they were going to come in and be

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Speaker 7: starters right away. But he said, if you come in

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Speaker 7: and outwork the guys who were possibly going to start,

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Speaker 7: you will get the job over them, and that that

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Speaker 7: was the case. And then the thing that probably has

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Speaker 7: helped is the success and guys want to play for

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Speaker 7: a team that has a chance to win a national

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Speaker 7: championship and for the last you know, three years anyway,

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Speaker 7: Produce felt like it was a team that could possibly

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Speaker 7: be in that mix, and certainly this season.

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Speaker 6: So that helped.

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Speaker 7: Tray Coffin Wren was one of those guys, like you said,

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Speaker 7: he red shirted, but he bought in right away that

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Speaker 7: if I wait my turn and keep getting better, by

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Speaker 7: the end of my career, I'm going to be, you know,

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Speaker 7: an All American, All Big.

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Speaker 6: Ten type player, and that's certainly been the case.

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Speaker 7: So I think it, you know, in a lot of ways,

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Speaker 7: it was probably easy to buy into the program and

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Speaker 7: the culture because there's kind of proof in the putting

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Speaker 7: that what Matt Painter and his staff is doing works.

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Speaker 1: Jconline dot Com, where you can read all of the

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Speaker 1: work regarding Purdue from Sam King from the Lafayette Journal

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Speaker 1: and Courier. Sam, appreciate the time as always, Man, we'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you soon.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely thanks for having me on.

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