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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll work on that. Scott from Fieldhouse Files Joining

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Speaker 1: us now, Scott Adness. I'm going to begin with a

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Speaker 1: Pacers trivia question. You have to close your eyes, don't

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Speaker 1: look at anything when I ask you ready, gotcha? The

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Speaker 1: old school logo middle of the floor last night. Left

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Speaker 1: or right handed?

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Speaker 4: Left is my first thought?

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Speaker 1: Correct, because you can see the thumb.

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Speaker 4: That's my first thought immediately. Yeah, because that ends to that.

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Speaker 1: That is correct. It is a left handed hand because

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Speaker 1: it's holding the ball and you get see the thumb

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Speaker 1: under it. The uniforms were absolutely awesome. I thought last night, Scott,

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Speaker 1: feel free to disagree. It felt a little old school

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Speaker 1: Pacer last night, and by that I mean old school

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Speaker 1: meeting six months ago, based on the fact that the

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Speaker 1: Pacers did not allow themselves to ever totally get out

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Speaker 5: What say you, Yeah, I would say that second half

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Speaker 5: was as good of basketball as we've seen from this group,

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Speaker 5: especially in the third quarter, Jake, where that's been their

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Speaker 5: real issue throughout this season that we've seen so far

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Speaker 5: in the first month. The second quarter I would say

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Speaker 5: did get a little bit away from them. I did

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Speaker 5: a challenge by that point, which by the way, got

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Speaker 5: you some nice airtime I should mention.

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Speaker 4: But overall, as a whole you saw, yeah, yeah, you did.

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Speaker 3: Had I looked.

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Speaker 1: I look, okay, you did.

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Speaker 4: You're just watching and enjoying it for some courtside seats

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Speaker 4: kind of jealous.

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Speaker 3: Look good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was tired yesterday. I hope you had gone

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Speaker 5: N I do worry about that for those people sitting

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Speaker 5: you and you're just doing natural thing yawning, wiping your face,

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Speaker 5: and you never know where that goes.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, sure that too.

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Speaker 5: I'd love the fact that they had the balance in

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Speaker 5: More than anything, I thought the fact that they got

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Speaker 5: figures to have jaris Walker's best game as a pro.

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Speaker 5: And I thought what was most interesting about what he

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Speaker 5: among his ten shots, taken only nine dribbles to do so.

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Speaker 5: Two of them were layups in transition. Most of them

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Speaker 1: Scott, I'm going to name off and describe a couple

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Speaker 1: of players on the Pacers roster, and I want you

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about. Okay, gotcha, Okay, player number one. At first,

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Speaker 1: What player am I talking about?

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Speaker 4: That would be Jay Huff?

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Speaker 1: That is exactly correct. Now, would you agree with that?

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Speaker 1: And by the way, not only were no animals harmed

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Speaker 4: Entirely? Absolutely.

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Speaker 5: I thought throughout training camp you could see coming to

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Speaker 4: Of play weight on him.

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Speaker 5: He would bend over and you know, put his arms

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Speaker 5: it's not allowed them to get comfortable and unlock whatever

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Speaker 5: their role is. But I think things changed for him

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Speaker 5: the basket. What's remarkable about him is, and this is

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Speaker 5: exactly why the Pacers were interested in them with their

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Speaker 5: analytics team, is Jay Huff leads all players, all players

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Speaker 5: across the league Jake in per minute right now, yes,

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Speaker 1: Okay, player number two. I had very high expectation of

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Speaker 1: And while they show moments and flashes, I'm becoming increasingly

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Speaker 1: concerned that their role may become even harder and harder

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Speaker 5: Will say kind of thing Benedict Matheren, but my guts

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Speaker 5: says Jaris Walker.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to Jaris to be Both of those

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Isaiah is still trying to find his footing.

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Speaker 5: My biggest concern with him has been foul trouble, and

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Speaker 5: that's totally disrupted what he's been able to do on

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Speaker 5: He's not a stretch guy. Very different from Miles Turner

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Speaker 5: that thirst for more, but I'm also giving him the

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Speaker 1: And Scott here's what and it's totally unfair of me

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Speaker 1: he had the Achilles right and so therefore it's a

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Speaker 1: looking for the player to do athletically. But I look

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Speaker 1: and I know that every body is different, literally every

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Speaker 1: I know that all of that is unfair, but the

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Speaker 1: it does seem to me at this point that Isaiah

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Speaker 1: Jackson has yet to get back to ninety percent of

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Speaker 1: too critical of me because of the mentions that I

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Speaker 5: For, I think I would disagree on I think he's

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Speaker 5: I think he looks better than expected athletically to absolutely absolutely,

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Speaker 5: But I wonder about the mental aspect, right right, that

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Speaker 1: Okay, now let's go to or to matherin Scott. I

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Speaker 5: Hard to prognosticate here. I would say yes at this

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Speaker 5: They need that dog that fight, the guy that's as

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Speaker 1: Regimillich always said that, right, didn't regim Miller always say

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's by no means crazy. He's just in

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Speaker 5: Maybe he's the best way to say it sometimes, And

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Speaker 5: I do think you kind of need that the guy

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Speaker 5: that all right, whatever, I don't care, we're down nineteen,

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Speaker 5: We're gonna go make a run in.

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Speaker 4: This third quarter. All that's to say.

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Speaker 5: It all depends obviously on his financial value, how much

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Speaker 5: it's going to put the Pacers over the tax. But

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Speaker 5: if we're just talking strictly basketball, they need a guy

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Speaker 5: like Benedict Matherin, I'd be good with that.

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Speaker 2: Will it matter where the Pacers selecting the upcoming draft

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Speaker 2: on a decision in Matheren, because in my opinion, if

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Speaker 2: option of taking Darren Peedterson or aj Di Banstar or

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Speaker 2: whatever the kid's name is from BYU, both those guys

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Speaker 2: play the same spot as Matherin, could that influence their

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Speaker 2: decision at all? And I know we're way way, way, way,

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Speaker 2: way way way he's away from that, but I think

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Speaker 2: that's probably something as well. All the monitor going forward.

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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, as I wrote yesterday, I'd caution everybody against

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Speaker 5: I think we'll have a much bigger picture, a clearer

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Speaker 5: picture of where things are going. I would simply say this, Eddie,

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Speaker 5: I think it's going to come down more than anything,

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Speaker 5: less about overlap and more about financial implications. If it's

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Speaker 5: he probably cannot afford that and put a sustainable team

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Speaker 1: can read his work Pacers last night dropping one to Detroit.

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Speaker 1: Scott I was asked this yesterday. See if your answer

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, their curt reality is they haven't had as

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Speaker 5: In January, initial conversations about what's out there and draft

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Speaker 5: That Sunday was not very good? But look, you're going

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Speaker 1: Scott, what's new up and coming at field House Files.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, covered a big notebook yesterday from Pacers. Will do

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Speaker 1: All right, appreciate it, Scott. We'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving to you. Yeah, Happy Thanksgiving guys. Scott Agnes

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Speaker 1: Java House Peel and poor guest line. He is not

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Speaker 1: He is Stephen Holder from ESPN. Steven, let's begin with this.

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Speaker 1: We have not gotten into this a lot since the

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Speaker 3: That hasn't happened a lot because of the way they've

439
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Speaker 3: played this year. They've been on the right end of

440
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Speaker 3: a lot of lopsided games. So he's going to be put,

441
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Speaker 3: I think, in some situations here down the stretch where

442
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Speaker 3: he is going to have to go get it and

443
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Speaker 3: he's going.

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Speaker 1: To have to prove some things, Steven, if you took

445
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:22,159
Speaker 1: right now, and I'm going with each team's primary starter, Okay,

446
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 1: So like in Cincinnati, you know Joe Burrow. I know

447
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 1: he has not been their starter this year because of injury,

448
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 1: but you know Joe Burrow right if you took it

449
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 1: right now. In the NFL, for the sake of the

450
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:36,400
Speaker 1: discussion here, if every team in the NFL had to

451
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: surrender their quarterback, give them up, and then the NFL

452
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Speaker 1: was going to redraft. Each team's lined up one through

453
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Speaker 1: thirty two. You draw a number out of a hat.

454
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Speaker 1: That's where you're drafting, and you get to take one

455
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Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks. Literally, every quarterback becomes a free agent.

456
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Speaker 1: Who's the last quarterback selected?

457
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Speaker 3: Oh? Oh, the last quarterback?

458
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Speaker 2: Hmm.

459
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Speaker 3: That is tough. It's it's got to be. Let's think

460
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Speaker 3: about this. It's gotta be one of the worst teams

461
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Speaker 3: in the NFL.

462
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Speaker 1: I mean JJ McCarthy, j J McCarthy is Oh my god,

463
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Speaker 1: that's the fact that we're having this conversation is crazy,

464
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Speaker 1: isn't it.

465
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Speaker 3: I don't know. Dylan Gabriel might be in there somewhere.

466
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Speaker 3: I don't know, but I don't know enough about.

467
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Speaker 6: The kid to be honest, justin field, Dave McCarthy is

468
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Speaker 6: definitely on the definitely near the bottom for sure. Okay, yeah, fair, fair, fair.

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Speaker 1: I mean there are four or five right that you

470
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Speaker 1: could say, where does Daniel Jones get drafted?

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Speaker 3: I like this. I think somewhere in ten to fifty

472
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Speaker 3: team as what I'd say. And here's the thing I

473
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Speaker 3: think the thing that's hard about Daniel Jones. And I

474
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Speaker 3: know I'm gonna sound like a hater when I say this,

475
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Speaker 3: but I gotta be honest, right, A lot of what

476
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Speaker 3: you are seeing from Daniel Jones, I think, at least

477
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Speaker 3: a lot of what you were seeing from Daniel Jones.

478
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Speaker 3: A lot of it's him and being a good a

479
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Speaker 3: good quarterback with good instincts, but a lot of it, okay,

480
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Speaker 3: a lot of it is Shane styke In. So therefore

481
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Speaker 3: what happened on Sunday, I thought Shane Stikeen didn't have

482
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Speaker 3: his best day, so therefore his quarterback did not also

483
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Speaker 3: have his best day. So I don't know, and it's

484
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Speaker 3: an impossible thing to quantify, but I think we have

485
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Speaker 3: to acknowledge that that is a that's a reality here.

486
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Speaker 3: There is a fair amount of what you were seeing

487
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Speaker 3: from Daniel Jones is being engineered by Shane Styke and

488
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Speaker 3: being really good at what he does.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the and that's where Steven I felt like the relationship,

490
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Speaker 1: and the word I've always used is symbiotic. The symbiotic

491
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Speaker 1: relationship between Daniel Jones and Shane Steichen. They seem as

492
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Speaker 1: though and they feel like that couple that can finish

493
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Speaker 1: each other's sentence right, right, And it seemed to me

494
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Speaker 1: like for the first time that cohesiveness between the two

495
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Speaker 1: worked to a detriment, not because they weren't on the

496
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Speaker 1: same page, but because Stikeen went almost to a fault

497
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Speaker 1: to the loyalty of continuing to push the button to

498
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Speaker 1: try to get Daniel Jones on track in that game

499
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Speaker 1: in Kansas City, and it came at the detriment of

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Speaker 1: involving Jonathan Taylor. Is that a fair statement.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a fair question. Well, actually, do you

502
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Speaker 3: mind if we do a little breaking news.

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Speaker 1: Eddie, if you could, please? Do they break out? Holder?

504
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Speaker 3: So the Colts are placing Ashton Doolan, who we just

505
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 3: talked about, on injured reserves. So for the reasons that

506
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Speaker 3: I just outlined, receiver depth and special teams big deal.

507
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Speaker 3: I think a really big deal. So I mean if

508
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Speaker 3: you look at Sunday and really really recent games, generally

509
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 3: he's had a huge effect on field position because he

510
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Speaker 3: gets down there, he makes a tackle on a punt

511
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Speaker 3: or a kickoff to pin the other team. And again

512
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Speaker 3: after the eighty Mitchell trade, that puts them one wide

513
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Speaker 3: receiver injury away from being in a really tough spot.

514
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Speaker 3: So you're going to see them have to make a

515
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Speaker 3: wide receiver move too, just for depth purposes. So anyway

516
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Speaker 3: to get that out.

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Speaker 1: There, you mentioned Eddie somebody that could suddenly be Before

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Speaker 1: we get to yours, Eddie Steven, let me ask you this,

519
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Speaker 1: where do the Colts stand in terms of receiver depth

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Speaker 1: on practice squad or internally if you will.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean they have they have Lakwan Treadwell, who

522
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 3: they could They have activated him at times this year.

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Speaker 3: I think he would be the next guy more than likely.

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Speaker 3: They also, you know, the veteran guy who's played a

525
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Speaker 3: lot and can play without much preparation, so they rely

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Speaker 3: on him for that. They also have Anthony Gould who

527
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Speaker 3: you see on special teams. He could he could be

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Speaker 3: an option. He's more of a slot receiver. I think

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Speaker 3: at least he he looks and feels like more of

530
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Speaker 3: a slot option, but they may be able to find

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Speaker 3: a role for him. So those are the two guys

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Speaker 3: I think who immediately come into play those doubts.

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Speaker 1: Eddie, you mentioned one that you noticed yesterday right in

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Speaker 1: the news.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, this was a guy who was being shopped through

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Speaker 7: out the tread deadline and ultimately the part ways between

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Speaker 7: the New Orleans Saints and Branda Cooks. Could they possibly

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Speaker 7: kick the tires on adding a veteran like Cooks into

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Speaker 7: the rotation?

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Speaker 3: Steven Well, I mean I could. I could see him

541
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 3: taking the look at it. I it's a good question.

542
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 3: I think he is also a little more of a

543
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 3: slot option, uh, which is not what they necessarily need.

544
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 3: But he's he's been around and played enough football. I

545
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 3: think he can play just about anywhere. You know, if

546
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 3: he's still the same guy at you know, thirty plus

547
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 3: years old, either the speed guy or has been a

548
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 3: speed guy for much of his career. Probably not, But

549
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 3: can he give you good snaps one hundred percent? I'm

550
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 3: sure he could. So, you know, I think you've got

551
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Speaker 3: to at least consider what your options are there. And

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised that they work out some receivers

553
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Speaker 3: here the next you know, week or so.

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Speaker 1: Steven I talked about this yesterday, okay, and I get

555
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: confused by this. So you got def Con five, deaf

556
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Speaker 1: Con four, def Con three to two and one.

557
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Speaker 3: I don't know the answer to this, go ahead.

558
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: So I believe, I believe. I always thought that the

559
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: higher the number, the more trouble you're in, right, right,

560
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: Like hurricanes, correct, right, So my is correct? Like a

561
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: Cat five hurricane is a bad deal. Cat one you're like, man,

562
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Speaker 1: it's the other way around, apparently on this So the

563
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: deaf Con one means, uh, you know, break out your

564
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: your fauci mask, right because like the gas is coming.

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00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 3: Okay.

566
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Speaker 1: So with that said, this particular, if you look at

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Speaker 1: the COLT schedule now with Houston twice, with Jacksonville twice,

568
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Speaker 1: San Francisco and Seattle, the the def con in terms

569
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Speaker 1: of where they are health wise and the footing that

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Speaker 1: they have going into these last six games is what

571
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Speaker 1: we're at def con what right now?

572
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Speaker 3: One through five? Right?

573
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Speaker 1: So what one being holy cow, the bust like down

574
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh and half the roster can't make it what's

575
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Speaker 1: at I've.

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Speaker 3: To one I guess is what's correct? Correct I would

577
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Speaker 3: say a three, which I think is, you know, sit

578
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 3: up straight and pay attention. Because here's why, I mean,

579
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Speaker 3: I don't think we can minimize this this team. It

580
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 3: sounds like I'm penalizing them for being good, but I'm not.

581
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Speaker 3: I'm just saying this team hasn't been on the ropes

582
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Speaker 3: all year, like at all. I mean, they have had

583
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 3: a charmed season, you know. And I'm not one of

584
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 3: those people like, oh, they played an easy schedule. I'm

585
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Speaker 3: not saying that. I'm saying they played so great that

586
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Speaker 3: they weren't having to even play starters in some of

587
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Speaker 3: their fourth quarters. Okay, they certainly haven't lost two out

588
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 3: of three before they before now or lost much at all,

589
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Speaker 3: so we haven't seen this team. But it's back to

590
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Speaker 3: the wall at all. This season, there has been an

591
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Speaker 3: entirely happy, go lucky attitude in the entire building because

592
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Speaker 3: there's been so little stress.

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Speaker 1: So notice that changing at all. Does the happy go

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Speaker 1: lucky feeling in the building seem to have any sort

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Speaker 1: of pucker at all.

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Speaker 3: I think this week will tell us. I mean, when

597
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 3: we get back in the building, tomorrow. I will be

598
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Speaker 3: looking for that. I will say that up to this point, no,

599
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 3: but the Savarius Ward, I thought what he said in

600
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 3: the locker room on Sunday was really appropriate. He said,

601
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Speaker 3: I think we needed this scheme, he said, we have.

602
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 3: We haven't really been tested. He's like we needed this

603
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 3: in terms of like they didn't need to lose. But

604
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 3: he's like, this is a wake up call for us, right,

605
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 3: you know, like we better, we better get it together.

606
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 3: We can't afford to kind of sleepwalk through this. And

607
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 3: I don't think he was suggesting they weren't taking it seriously.

608
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Speaker 3: But I think what he's trying to say is like,

609
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 3: all right, they have our attention now. And I think

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Speaker 3: he was trying to say, look, there's this is going

611
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Speaker 3: to be a really big stretch run for us, and

612
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 3: we have to be locked in. And I agree with that.

613
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 3: I totally agree. And I think it's going to be

614
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 3: a big test and we'll reveal a lot about.

615
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Speaker 1: This team Shaverarius Ward. By the way, Steven I thought

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Speaker 1: Steven Holder is my guest Java House, Peel Andport guest

617
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Speaker 1: line is where you're hearing him ESPN dot com, where

618
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Speaker 1: you both see his work and then read it as well.

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Speaker 1: You see him on ESPN Stephen. I thought that Shaveria's

620
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: ward was almost surprisingly candid about the severity of his

621
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Speaker 1: second concussion and the challenges that he had in getting

622
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Speaker 1: himself back out onto the field. And maybe it's because

623
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Speaker 1: of that that I then, as I was watching him,

624
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: especially late in that game against Kansas City, began to

625
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: wonder whether or not he was in fact compromised in

626
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: terms of his ability out there. I don't mean long term,

627
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: I just mean in that moment or was that simply

628
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: a fatigue issue? Is there concern there?

629
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Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. I mean, he talked about

630
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 3: the sort of blind side hit that he took and

631
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 3: he was down for a long time. He said that

632
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 3: was more of his chest in his sternum, but he

633
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 3: definitely was I think in that moment he was kind

634
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 3: of like, am I okay, you know, which I think

635
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 3: speaks to the fact that he just went through a lot,

636
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 3: you know, And I think when he got up and

637
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 3: he got all those faculties together, he realized, Okay, I'm fine,

638
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 3: but I just got you know, the hell knocked out

639
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 3: of me in my chest, you know. So yeah, I

640
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 3: think it was fine. I do think the fatigue was

641
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 3: a problem. It was also the other thing that happened

642
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 3: there is it's not just fatigue, it's also fatigue against

643
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 3: a quarterback who prolongs every freaking play. So those ninety

644
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 3: steps probably feel like one hundred and twenty snaps against

645
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes. That's the one thing I said this with

646
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 3: J ANDB yesterday. We got to we also got to

647
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 3: give this guy his due, Patrick Mahomes. He is one

648
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 3: of one. You have never seen a quarterback like Patrick Mahomes.

649
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's the greatest or not getting into

650
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 3: that debate that is. That's ice cream flavors, right, you

651
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 3: decide that on your own, But I will tell you

652
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 3: he's the most unique quarterback I've ever seen in my life.

653
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 3: That guy, when the play breaks down, he's like, Okay,

654
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,479
Speaker 3: now this is my time.

655
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: Yeah he's That's what I said. It's when chaos is

656
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 1: flying around and that's where he's at his best.

657
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 3: Right, He's like, yes, now I am in my element.

658
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 3: It's time to go to work. And you try defending

659
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 3: those guys with that quarterback running away from your defensive line.

660
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 3: But those guys did the best they could up front.

661
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 3: I mean, they chased the hell out of him, but

662
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 3: he is so unfazed by it. It's it's almost funny

663
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 3: to watch it. It's like, I feel sorry for people. Listen,

664
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 3: anybody who had any illusions that this team was out

665
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 3: of it. Patrick Mahomes was like, uh, watch this, and

666
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you he can single handedly change any game,

667
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 3: any day of the week, under any circumstance period. That's

668
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 3: the lesson I took away from that game.

669
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: Top five ice cream flavors go, Oh.

670
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 3: My god, So I actually like cookies and cream for

671
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 3: some reason. I don't know why. I'm not saying it's

672
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 3: like number one, but you know, listen, you can't. I'm

673
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 3: forty nine years old. So vanilla, okay, come on, Well,

674
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 3: I was raised on on Neopoloman. That's all my dad

675
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 3: would ever buy. So I would like scrape all the

676
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 3: all the vanilla out and leave the rest for everybody else.

677
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 3: Let's see. Let's see. Uh, you know, Rocky Road. That's

678
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 3: different right than cookies and cream? It is? It is?

679
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, do people still buy the square box of

680
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: ice creamers? Everybody just buy the round Ben and Jerry's

681
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: type tub.

682
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 3: I haven't seen one in forever, now that you think

683
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 3: about it, now that I think about it, Yeah, Man,

684
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 3: Briar's Neopoloman. My dad was creature of habit man. He

685
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 3: probably still buys it now, Eddie, what about yours? Sorry, Steve,

686
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 3: what about yours? Eddie? Okay?

687
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: Met chocolate chip yep? Okay?

688
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: Or like peanut butter okay?

689
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 3: But vanilla?

690
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: You going vanilla? Also? I like strawberry. I didn't know, Steven,

691
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, that people actually bought the Neapolitan.

692
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: I mean I'm glad.

693
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 3: I mean.

694
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: I'm glad your dad's.

695
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 3: Okay, and anybody else that.

696
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: Has somebody ate the strawberry part of it, because it

697
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: would seem like there would just be one big stripe

698
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: of the strawberry left, you know what I mean.

699
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he likes strawberry and chocolate or something.

700
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 3: I think that's what was going on there. I was

701
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 3: never a chocolate fan. I mean, are either of you

702
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 3: a chocolate ice cream guy?

703
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: No, it's it's too rich for me.

704
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like I just needed freaking snickers, okay, yeah,

705
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 3: or that's fair. Yeah, So I just I never understand

706
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 3: it never works for me.

707
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: Are you down with the butter pecan.

708
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will do berc. In fact, that was his.

709
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 3: That was like our other option if we if my

710
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: dad didn't buy neopoulom and he bought butter pecan. So

711
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 3: the pecan or peacan. But anyhow, we can have that

712
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 3: conversation later. But I because I was also raised on that,

713
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, nostalgic for me.

714
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you want Harry met Sally, it's pecan pie.

715
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: By the way, so it is pecan Houston. What challenges

716
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: do they present other than a stout defense? And I

717
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: guess a piggyback on that, Steven, is this, if we're

718
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,479
Speaker 1: doing sports talk radio in Houston right now, right Eddie,

719
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 1: do we know the name of the midday show in Houston?

720
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: Is it's probably something like, you know, Bucky and the

721
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: Bowl or something like that. Look, Tommy and Toro something

722
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: like that. If you're doing that, are you having the

723
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: discussion at all as to whether or not it's behooved

724
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: them to go back to CJ Shroud Hm?

725
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 3: No, I mean no. I think frankly, the last couple

726
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 3: of years he has played well in spite of a team.

727
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 3: I think that was compromise in many ways. You know

728
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 3: so no, I give him, I give him the benefit

729
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 3: of the doubt, but I don't disagree that the optics

730
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 3: are bad, right Like they certainly found something on offense

731
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 3: the last few weeks. There's no question about that. He's

732
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 3: going to get the benefit of the doubt. He's the

733
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 3: franchise guy. I don't think. I don't think you can

734
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 3: take that drastic of a move based on a small

735
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 3: sample size like that, Okay, But I do think you

736
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 3: need to figure out why that happened and if you

737
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 3: can tap into it with him.

738
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: So before we let you go, Steven, in our quarterback

739
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: redraft game, here the quarterbacks that the Colts so far

740
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 1: remained to see, I want you to tell me where

741
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: you think that quarterback would get selected in the redraft

742
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: of all quarterbacks in the NFL by teams animally drawing

743
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 1: their draft order. C. J. Stroud Hmm, he's uh.

744
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 3: I think he's in the in the teams, probably early teams.

745
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: Early Trevor Lawrence.

746
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

747
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 3: He is middle of the pack somewhere, I mean frankly

748
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 3: middle of the pack, if not just beyond I think

749
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 3: probably probably late teens.

750
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 1: Okay. Sam Donald.

751
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 3: Hm uh, Sam Donald man like I think when you

752
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 3: look at his performance this year, it's a top ten performance.

753
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 3: But is he is that who he is? I think

754
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 3: you have to say he is. I guess I had

755
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 3: my doubt that in the playoff game last year. But

756
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 3: I think that I think this is him.

757
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: This is the one that's kind of a tough on

758
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: brock pretty slashed back Jones. I mean, I guess kind

759
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 1: of the same guy, right hm.

760
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 3: So you know I would say, yeah, let's go Brockford.

761
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 3: I think very interesting. I think brock Party is a

762
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 3: little bit of what's going on with Daniel Jones that

763
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 3: I said earlier, like paired with the right coach and

764
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 3: great decision making, et cetera. Man, this is tough. I

765
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 3: would say rock Party, like eleven, twelve, thirty in that range.

766
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: That's yeah, okay, yeah.

767
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 3: Because like if you put them on another team, it

768
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 3: doesn't look the same. That's what I think.

769
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: Eddie. Did you happen to figure out the name of

770
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: the mid Day shown Houston? The loop? The loop that

771
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: makes sense? That sounds loopy, doesn't The loop that would

772
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: be in Chicago, doesn't it?

773
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 3: Oh?

774
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: Sorry?

775
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 3: In the loop?

776
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: In the loop, in.

777
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 3: The loop six ten right, six ten is a loop.

778
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: Yep, well every in the state. I don't know if

779
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: you know this or not, Steven, but any interstate that

780
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: has a four or a six is a loop that

781
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: has bypassed them by the last two numbers. Did you

782
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: know that?

783
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: Well? That is that is fair? Okay, So the.

784
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: Six ten is a loop that intersected by the ten. Right, hey,

785
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: y'all six, six' ten the loop here coming. Up we

786
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: got to take us to give away. Again we've got

787
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: a big concert. Coming they have a.

788
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 3: Few highways In. HOUSTON i don't know if you.

789
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: Know Toby keith is coming up backed up on the

790
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: six to, ten by the, way speaking of, Actup, nope

791
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: parking the p one here in our. Building we got

792
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: two floating. Around that's actually true here in this building.

793
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: Today all, Right. Steven appreciate the time as, Always.

794
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 3: And if you miss your exit In houston for a,

795
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 3: highway just wait another. Mile there will be another. Expressway

796
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 3: you'll be. Fine that is exactly.

797
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: Correct it is the largest metro, plex just sprawling amongst

798
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 1: the fields that you can find, anywhere the biggest city

799
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: that actually has no, Identity, Houston texas joining us, now

800
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: he is of course a return guest to the, program

801
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: Former Pittsburgh, steeler Former colt also and the pride Of

802
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: Fort Wayne High School Paul Harding High. School as a

803
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: matter of, Fact Trey essex joining us on the. Program,

804
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: trey how are?

805
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 3: You Andansassic?

806
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 8: JAKE i appreciate you shouting out My Herding High, school

807
00:41:59,280 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 8: my fellow.

808
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: Hall you, Know i'm curious of. This are you in

809
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: The Harding High School Athletic hall Of?

810
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 8: Fame so something unique about my high. School it doesn't

811
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 8: exist the way it was WHEN i was. Around they

812
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 8: closed it and opened it up and made it into

813
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 8: some kind.

814
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 3: Of charter school associate.

815
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 8: College still has the Name, harding but with that came

816
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 8: they're purging of all things. Athletics so to answer your,

817
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 8: question there is No Harding hall Of, fame and No

818
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 8: i'm not a part of. It BUT i am An

819
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 8: Indiana High School hall Of famer in, Football So i'll

820
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 8: take that.

821
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 1: Now that is, impressive by the, WAY i, mean, honestly

822
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: you know The i'm looking right here on The wikipedia

823
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: page Of Paul Harding High school and it lists four prominent.

824
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: Alumni you are listed, first by the, way both you,

825
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: know alphabetically and in the heart of all of those From.

826
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: Harding would you like to guess the other?

827
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 3: Three Craig, Riley Jim.

828
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: Masters Craig riley is not that's the former produced, center, Right, yeah,

829
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: okay he is not. Listed that's not to say he

830
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: can go, there and he's not saying he's not. Prominent

831
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: He's Jim, master is? Correct nineteen eighty Mister i'm, sorry seventy,

832
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: seven mister. BASKETBALL i think that's. Right seventy six or seventy, seven, right, Yeah,

833
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: no he was at nineteen, eighty mister. Basketball, sorry, okay

834
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 1: you got two Others, watsmith, yes.

835
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 3: Sail In, lineman you got? It?

836
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: Nice ringing, up ringing?

837
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 3: Up all.

838
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 1: RIGHT i want to begin with this and the time

839
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: that you were in THE, nfl did you have teams

840
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: that went through and what is THE nfl player perspective

841
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: of The colts are not in a situation tray where

842
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: it's panic. Time they've lost two of three after a fabulous.

843
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: Start they are still in very good, position but it's

844
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: starting to get real here in terms of their. Schedule

845
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: how much do players feel that when when media is

846
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: talking about, it, fans what about? Players, well whenever you

847
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: get to this part of the.

848
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 8: Year there's always a sense of, urgency especially when you're

849
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 8: started out so well like the coach have, done and

850
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 8: they've lost To, GRANTED i mean they lost to, us

851
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 8: and then they lost to a very good defense In Kansas,

852
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 8: city so it wasn't like they lost to lesser. Competition

853
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 8: ALTHOUGH i would argue The Pittsburgh steelers weren't as talented

854
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 8: as a coach and we got got through that game

855
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 8: because of all the, turnovers AND i think the coach

856
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 8: pretty much lost that. Game but to answer your, QUESTION

857
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 8: i think players do feel we understand this is when

858
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 8: a lot of, times also you have these players and

859
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 8: centives coming, in whether they be individual or team, related

860
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 8: they start to rear their head now because you UNDERSTAND

861
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 8: i have this many, catches this many, yards as many.

862
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 8: Sacks ALSO i get a bonus for making it to the.

863
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 8: PLAYOFFS i get a bonus for winning so many minor.

864
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 8: GAMES a lot of this stuff is in people's, contracts

865
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 8: a lot of being players, contracts and so all that

866
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 8: combined does add a sense of urgency and a lot

867
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 8: more pressure as you get down to these last six

868
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 8: seven games of the, season.

869
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: You, know and when you have guys can that be a, Disruption.

870
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: Trey i'm not saying with this COLD s, group just

871
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: generically speaking in THE nfl or as a professional, athlete

872
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: when you have guys on your, roster your team that

873
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: you know have individualized incentives heading in towards the end

874
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: of the, year and maybe you even say to, yourself,

875
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: yeah but to accommodate that gets away from the style

876
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: we need to do or whatever. Else does that ever

877
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: come into play in terms of like a, Friction.

878
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 8: No, No and usually you don't players know we're not

879
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 8: going to switch up our entire offensive scheme or do

880
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 8: UNLESS i remember a couple of years, Ago Hines, ward

881
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 8: WHEN i was, PLAYING i say a couple of years,

882
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 8: ago so like ten to fifteen years. Ago he had

883
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 8: to get one more catch or like nine more yards

884
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 8: to get to a thousand yards his. Bonus and everybody

885
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 8: actually wants a guy Like Heines warner's team to get

886
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 8: as much money you. Can't everybody, does for that, fact

887
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 8: want you to be able to get your, money but

888
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 8: not at the expense of, scheme not the expense of

889
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 8: doing something out of the. Ordinary if the opportunity presents.

890
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 8: Itself For, hines we did like a little screen pads

891
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 8: out to the side to pick up the extra yard a,

892
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 8: CATCH i can't remember exactly what it.

893
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 3: Was and then towards the end of the, game when

894
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 3: the game had been pretty much.

895
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 8: Decided so you see teams do, that but not at

896
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 8: the expense of the.

897
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: Team, Now eddie just asked me this. QUESTION i don't

898
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: think he's trying to knock on. Lineman but as soon

899
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 1: as you started, Talking Eddie garrison turns off To, michael

900
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: looks at me and, goes what intentive would? Like what

901
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: bonuses would alignment? Get what would it be number of?

902
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 1: Snaps is that what it would? Be the fewest number

903
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: of sacks?

904
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 3: Allowed, no because the sacks things are so.

905
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 8: Subjective what's attributed to you is a sack may your

906
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 8: coach or your stak guy might not attribute to. You

907
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 8: if the quarterback goes on to the ball forever and

908
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 8: he gets, sacked even though it's your, guy it may

909
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 8: not be attributed to. You so it's hard to really

910
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 8: quantify that what's your fault and what's myody else's? Fuck

911
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 8: but you do get some guys who get A centerce

912
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 8: for percentage of snaps. Played obviously you get in rostered

913
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 8: or in game roster bonuses for every game that you're,

914
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 8: available but for linement and centers are few and far.

915
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 8: Between we only get the percentage of snaps one and

916
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 8: maybe like if your team makes the, playoffs or your

917
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 8: team rushes for so many, yards or you're in the

918
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 8: top ten rushing as a, unit so some of those are.

919
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 3: Involved but is.

920
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: Not a lot number of wristwatches and or pieces of

921
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: jewelry that you received from quarterbacks over the course of your.

922
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 3: Career jewelry or.

923
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: Wristwatches there's always, that, Right there's always these guys like

924
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,959
Speaker 1: you hear Like Earl campbell got rolllexes for every member

925
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: of his offensive line and all that kind of.

926
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 8: Crap no, jewelry not THAT i recall we. Did Big

927
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 8: bend would buy a suits and jacket stuff that you

928
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 8: can actually wear over, time and it's out of style,

929
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 8: now BUT i still have my overcoat that he got

930
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 8: Us Alan fanica at The hall Of fame. GUARD i

931
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 8: don't know if you guys remember, him played FOR, us

932
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 8: played with The, jets played for The Arizona. Cardinals he

933
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 8: got us mac laptops when they first came, out which

934
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 8: was pretty, cool and then got us this uh do

935
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 8: you remember t bow are the old recording? Thing he

936
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 8: got us one of those when they first came.

937
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: Out that was like the initial installment of, like, yeah

938
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: you could like rewind your. Television it was like, groundbreaking right.

939
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 8: Right it was, groundbreaking it was, Yeah and so he got.

940
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 8: Us it was a whole separate device he had to

941
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 8: hook up to YOUR. Tv really aging myself right, now DANG.

942
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 8: Tvo but, yeah we got cool little Nick nacklon gifts For.

943
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 8: Christmas we got Some tiffany stemware glass wear from The

944
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 8: rooneys one. Time so no, Jewelry, perstdy but other stuff

945
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 8: that was pretty.

946
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: VALUABLE i thought you, said do you Remember? Tebow AND

947
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: i was, thinking, yeah that's the mania that we all

948
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: want to just go back an, erace you know WHAT i,

949
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: mean like, rewinding. Erasing, yeah what is your thought on?

950
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 1: Tree estis is my Guest Java House peel and poor Guest,

951
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: line The colts themselves And Daniel. Jones you know you

952
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: have watched this. Game WHEN i say this, GAME i

953
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: mean THE nfl from a far more you, know intellectual

954
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 1: eye than myself of knowing kind of in the, trenches

955
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: maybe even being able to tell when a quarterback is

956
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,439
Speaker 1: uncomfortable Or i'm. Regressing i'll, say for lack of a better,

957
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: phrase what has been your overall assessment of the quarterbacking

958
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 1: play Of Daniel. Jones let's, say in the last handful

959
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: of games versus the beginning or first month of the.

960
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 8: Year IF jt isn't running the ball, well he struggles

961
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 8: when the, ball when that game is on his back

962
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 8: and he has to be the one to, dictecting dictate things,

963
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 8: offensively he. Struggles if the defense takes away his first.

964
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 8: Look he can, scramble he can he can extend plays

965
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 8: and often he will find some, guys but naturally going

966
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 8: through progressions and making play and throws on, time he.

967
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,919
Speaker 8: Struggles and SO i think we exposed that two weeks,

968
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 8: ago AND i Think Kansas city took some of the

969
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 8: framework that we used defensively and applied it to their.

970
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,959
Speaker 8: Game you got to Stop jason if you stop him

971
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 8: At liminster office. Tremendously AND i don't know If Daniel

972
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 8: jones is the quarterback that's capable overcoming a lack of

973
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 8: a run.

974
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: Game did you see that at the beginning of the

975
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: year or has it only been almost of, late, where for,

976
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: example the team you used to play, for The Pittsburgh.

977
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: Steelers the pressure that they put on. Him did that

978
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: Expose jones a little bit or open up a? Blueprint

979
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: or is that Simply pittsburgh finally finding out defensively who they?

980
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 8: Are pittsburgh is Doctor, jegle Mister high and they were

981
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 8: whoever the good version of one of, those is it Mister.

982
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 8: High that's a good. Person they were that versus the.

983
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 8: Coach but they've been Doctor jego every other. Week so

984
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 8: they just happened to have a good game and the

985
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 8: right game. Plan the Fluster Daniel, jones they did some.

986
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 8: Things the number one thing That i'm before they STOPPED.

987
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 8: Jt they Stopped Jonathan. Taylor once you do, that you

988
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 8: really increase your successes as a. Defense and that's not

989
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 8: just Against Danny jones's against anybody you stopped the run,

990
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 8: game but especially a team like any that's so dependent

991
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 8: on their running. Game in that offensive, Line Daniel jones

992
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,919
Speaker 8: has done a great job of distributing the. Ball he's

993
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 8: Made Alex peers into a LEGIT i think number, one

994
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 8: number two receiver doing that d ball, WELL i think

995
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 8: he's doing a lot of great things in that. Offense

996
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 8: but the year you're seeing that defensive start to pick

997
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 8: up on the fact that if you get him off

998
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 8: his first, read he's going to. Struggle if you put

999
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 8: the game on his, back he's going to. Struggle pittsburgh

1000
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 8: did that tremendously And Kansas city had success doing that as.

1001
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 8: Well he didn't turn the ball over Versus Kansas, city

1002
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 8: at least he didn't have a fumble to The, affidian

1003
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 8: do any, interceptions but they stopped What John taylo had

1004
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 8: eighteen carriage for forty five yards And Daniel jones wasn't

1005
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 8: really able to be efficient in that past. Game Kansas

1006
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 8: city is a really good, defense top Five russian, defense

1007
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 8: top eight or top four scoring, defense top eight. Overall

1008
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 8: SO i mean they did a really good job AND

1009
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 8: i think that is the blueprint moving. FORWARD i don't

1010
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 8: Think Daniel jones is a game, Breaker he's a game.

1011
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 8: Manager he does it, well AND i Think stichen has

1012
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 8: done a good job of put him him in very

1013
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 8: for two of the situations as far as where to

1014
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 8: go with the.

1015
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 3: Ball and scheming guys. Open do you think those teams aren't?

1016
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 8: Working?

1017
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: Tray are those things that you're pointing out you. Know

1018
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: are these things do you think that have just recently

1019
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: been exposed and, discovered or are these things that you

1020
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: think most in THE nfl knew About Daniel jones and

1021
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: it's just now starting to show.

1022
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 3: ITSELF i think this is what they know about.

1023
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 8: HIM i think THE nfl has Figured Daniel jones. OUT

1024
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 8: i THINK i do think he's a talented quarterback and

1025
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 8: he's a safe option for The, coast especially when you

1026
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 8: look at What Anthony richard was for them being the

1027
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 8: inconsistent quarterback then his inconsistent thrower and turn the ball

1028
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 8: over the way he. Did But Daniel jones is not a.

1029
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 8: SECRET i, mean he's been the league for now five six.

1030
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 8: Years he has developed some habits that are going to

1031
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 8: be hard to break at this point in his. Career

1032
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 8: even with What Shane steigen has been able to do

1033
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 8: to kind of, exposed not, exposed but highlight his, strengths

1034
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 8: AND i think he's done a great job with.

1035
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 3: That but he is who he.

1036
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: Is At Trey day seventy, nine that's Tr Ai Trey

1037
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: day seventy, nine also the snap count Show Trey essex

1038
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: joining us on the, Program trey In conclusion and this

1039
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: One i'm gonna put myself out on a limb here

1040
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i have a feeling That i'm going to ask

1041
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: a question That i'm going to immediately slap myself and, go, yeah,

1042
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:50,240
Speaker 1: dude how did you not know? This who exactly Was Paul? Harding?

1043
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 3: DUDE i don't know Who paul Hart end.

1044
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: IS i didn't know at. FIRST i was, like wait a,

1045
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: minute is he like a governor THAT i didn't know,

1046
00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 1: about or like the pride Of Fort?

1047
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 3: Wayne is?

1048
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: THERE i remember one TIME i asked. Somebody i'm, like,

1049
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: YEAH a buddy of mine went TO. JMU i, go,

1050
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: now who Is James. Madison he's like the. President i'm, like,

1051
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: oh my, gosh of, course how DID i not think?

1052
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: That so there's not an obvious answer on Who Paul harding.

1053
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: Is we're going to guess that he was like a

1054
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: school board, member, RIGHT i, guess.

1055
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 8: Dude i've never actually thought about. That that. IS i

1056
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 8: got to look that, up and it's a shame That

1057
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 8: i've never even pose that question to.

1058
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: Myself welcome to the world of my neurotic insomnia. Tree

1059
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: these are the things that came me awake at.

1060
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 3: Night i'm looking it.

1061
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: Up here is some kind of, well that's not our.

1062
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: Poem there's an. Author, YEAH i looked it. Up there's

1063
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: some author that wrote a book in twenty. Ten i'm, like,

1064
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: go that's not, it, right that's definitely not.

1065
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 3: Him, no, yeah all.

1066
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: Right that's your assignment until we talk to you next.

1067
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: Time find out Who Paul harding.

1068
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 8: Is i'll have it for, YOU i.

1069
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: Promise All, right appreciate, It trey, asks joining us on the,

1070
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: program