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Speaker 2: Ah, Good morning and welcome to NFL season. Tonight Cowboys

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Speaker 2: Eagles kick it off. It'll be the Colts and the

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Speaker 2: Dolphins on Sunday afternoon over at Lucas Oil Stadium. Good morning,

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Speaker 2: and welcome into the Fan Morning Show with Kevin Bowen,

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Speaker 2: James Boyd, I'm jeff Rickard, Mark Dyton on the ones

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Speaker 2: and twos over there and on the eve of this season,

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Speaker 2: the ESPN simulator ran thousands and thousands of seasons in

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Speaker 2: kind of PUU altogether, and the biggest shock of all

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Speaker 2: of them it says both Super Bowl teams from last year,

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Speaker 2: Kansas City and Philadelphia missed the playoffs. I can't even

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Speaker 2: see that happening, regardless of what a computer says.

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Speaker 3: I can't see that.

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Speaker 4: By the way, that is my favorite intro of the

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Speaker 4: four stations that are a great, full tall game. So

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Speaker 4: Mark Dyton, thank you for kind of leading us off

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Speaker 4: with that. So what is this one out of a

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Speaker 4: thousand simulations as the Chiefs and the Eagles missing the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: He says, we're detailing the story of a single simulation

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Speaker 3: from ESPN's Football Power Index, which normally uses ten thousand

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Speaker 3: simulations to build its projections. To be clear, it's not

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Speaker 3: this person's prediction or ESPN analytics prediction. It's it's just

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Speaker 3: what a simulation said. The most interesting simulation they had

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Speaker 3: with both Super Bowl teams missing the play the.

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Speaker 4: Colts winning the Super Bowl in that simulation.

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Speaker 3: No, they did not have the Colts winning the Super

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Speaker 3: Bowl in that situation. The biggest thing I saw yesterday

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Speaker 3: from actual real you know poll. It was on your site,

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Speaker 3: James the Athletic. They did the optimism poll in every market.

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Speaker 3: Did you see that? How I did see this? How

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Speaker 3: optimistic teams are or fans are about their team moving forward.

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Speaker 3: Turns out people in Denver are wildly optimistic, way probably

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Speaker 3: people in Indianapolis are not optimistic or hopeful about this

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we've talked about this for the last

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Speaker 4: few months now. It's easily the most apathy I have

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Speaker 4: felt from the outside fan base if you want to

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Speaker 4: point to some tangible stuff, you know, crowds at Grand Park.

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Speaker 4: I think we're very very down TV ratings in the preseason,

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Speaker 4: very very down. So yes, in general, I think that's

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Speaker 4: where it's at. It was kind of sad, frankly. You know,

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Speaker 4: I posted a story yesterday from the Colts Complex of

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Speaker 4: you know, here we are Week one, and you know,

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Speaker 4: Wednesday news cycle in the NFL is usually one of

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Speaker 4: of a preview piece for me and what's coming up

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Speaker 4: on Sunday. And the first response I got to that

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Speaker 4: you know, when you see that comment, obviously I'm like, damn,

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Speaker 4: that's the first response, Like isn't this supposed to be

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Speaker 4: like the most optimistic time of the year for anybody?

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Speaker 4: But you know, when I look at it and think

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Speaker 4: of myself, well, is it the beginning of the end,

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Speaker 4: there's probably some merit behind that sort of thought there. So, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you can change so much in the short term of

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Speaker 4: the win on Sunday, but yeah, headed end of the year,

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Speaker 4: I cannot recall the time.

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Speaker 3: There's just this much. Yeah, here we go.

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Speaker 4: Let's see what happens and see if carl Er, say

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Speaker 4: Gordon finally puts her hammer down it.

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Speaker 3: And like I said, it's just you know, they call

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Speaker 3: it the NFL Hopometer, and they just pull a bunch

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Speaker 3: take it for what it's worth. But man, on the

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Speaker 3: optimism scale you had, you are you optimistic or pessimistic

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Speaker 3: about your season? Only seven percent of Colts fans in

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Speaker 3: We're like, nah, it's not gonna go. Well, it's ninety You.

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Speaker 5: Have to show them something to believe in. I mean

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Speaker 5: get it, it's rough, but I understand completely. We had

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Speaker 5: the listener I believe last week Jeff That texted the

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Speaker 5: for the first time in over twenty years because this franchise,

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Speaker 5: that is what they are fighting right now. And we

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Speaker 5: there is. But leading up to it, apathy is probably

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Speaker 5: the right feeling to have about a team that just

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Speaker 4: Well, and I go back to a week go today,

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Speaker 4: James and we are rec capin Chris Boward's press conference,

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Speaker 4: and you know, I think I said to you, guys,

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Speaker 4: I'm not overly like walking into that room expecting these

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Speaker 4: grand answers from Chris Ballard. There's only so much he

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Speaker 4: down with us, why are you getting in the ninth year,

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Speaker 4: what's your greatest accomplishment so far as an NFLGM. The

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Speaker 4: of like, wait, that's I mean, I guess he's right,

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Speaker 4: but those are the answers. And you know, he said it,

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Speaker 4: I thought very succinctly last Wednesday. But very accurately when

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Speaker 4: continually asked about you know, hey, why should fans believe?

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Speaker 4: Why should fans believe? You know, he pretty much just said,

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Speaker 4: label they believe when you win, and if you don't,

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Speaker 4: they don't. And if you're not winning, you have to

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Speaker 4: have the young quarterback carrot. And right now you don't

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Speaker 4: even have the young quarterback carrot. So if if you're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to even see if they're gonna be

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Speaker 5: We're just looking at tomorrow ten years that division title.

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Speaker 4: And I think there is just a general frustration of

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Speaker 4: that in my job, I wouldn't be here if those

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Speaker 4: bit of not apples to apples the thing.

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Speaker 3: But I always say, it's not like there are active

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Speaker 5: No, I keep my hands out sales, you know, with

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Speaker 3: I got this email. I think all of you got it,

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Speaker 3: about Colt's apathy. I was a Bills fan growing up,

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Speaker 3: ever since. The last ten years under Ballard have been pathetic,

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Speaker 3: so I gravitated back to the Bills. My wife and

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Speaker 3: We purchased vib tickets in the second row in Buffalo

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Speaker 3: It's a three thousand dollars weekend. We could have done

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Speaker 3: But I'm so tired of hearing Ballard's blather. I've just

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Speaker 3: given up on them. I've met some other transplants here

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Speaker 3: for the benefit of Indy that Jim's daughters understand. Once

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Speaker 3: and they go somewhere else to route. I enjoy listening

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Speaker 3: of people that are like, to your point, guys, show

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Speaker 3: me something anything to you. You were just saying a

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Speaker 3: second ago, James, forget about three years from now, what's

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Speaker 3: Sunday going to look like.

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Speaker 5: The best thing? In the realist thing I thought Chris

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Speaker 5: Baalor said in his post fifty three man roster cut

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Speaker 5: day news conference, which was about two guys that were

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Speaker 5: It's as simple as that. You can try to sell

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Speaker 5: is no reason to take you at your word, especially

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Speaker 5: because you keep flip flopping your decision making. So ultimately

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Speaker 5: it comes down to wins and losses, and they will

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Speaker 5: certainly be judged by that. I think this year more

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Speaker 5: he was wronged by everyone, and you know this is

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Speaker 5: all somebody else's fault. No, he is ultimately the player

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Speaker 5: and ultimately falls on him why he didn't perform to

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Speaker 5: a higher level. But to bet on Daniel Jones is

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Speaker 5: a big risk. It's certainly a questionable decision, and now

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Speaker 3: And Kevin, I think a lot of people are just

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Speaker 3: the cults are stuck in purgatory. It's not like they're

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Speaker 3: going two in fifteen. It's not like they're going one

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Speaker 3: it hasn't worked out all that well. But it feels

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Speaker 3: fifteenth or sixteenth every year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and again We've probably beaten this drum for the

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Speaker 4: past X amount of months.

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Speaker 5: And I'm going to beat it again.

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Speaker 4: I'm joking, and the Colts haven't given us any reason

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Speaker 4: obviously in recent years to change that storyline. But you know,

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Speaker 4: there is a part of me it's like, all right,

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Speaker 4: tonight's opening night. Let's get to Sunday. You know, yes,

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Speaker 4: there is apathy with the twenty twenty five Colts. I

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Speaker 4: guess maybe that's breaking news, maybe it's not. But what

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Speaker 4: a Sunday look like? Because again, you have a golden

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Speaker 4: be favored in four of your first six. This is

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Speaker 4: probably the best skill group you've had in quite some time.

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Speaker 4: You have, I think, change the defensive system at least

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Speaker 4: on that side of the ball. How does it all

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Speaker 4: for me. And you know, I think so much of

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Speaker 4: Shane Stikeen's thinking now is you know, the baseball analogy

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Speaker 4: we've used quite often has changed. It's no longer the

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Speaker 4: home runs and the self creation. It's the singles, the doubles,

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Speaker 4: the methodical passing game.

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Speaker 4: I can't tell you how many times yesterday Shane Steikin

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Speaker 4: said in that press conference. Find completions, Yeah, find completions.

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Speaker 4: That is exactly what he said, probably four or five

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Speaker 4: different times about Daniel Jones, and it is you know,

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Speaker 4: there was one point he goes know where to throw it,

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Speaker 3: question for everyone. Is it possible the Colts will be

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Speaker 3: a top ten offense and a bottom ten defense. Best

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Speaker 3: skilled position group in a long time, but secondary is

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Speaker 3: banged up and long in the tooth in some places.

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Speaker 5: He's just carrying them to such a funny phrase, everybody's

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Speaker 5: over twenty nine, Little dentsher is coming too. I don't

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Speaker 5: think that that bad, is it? But I can't I

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Speaker 5: really probably can't see either one. I mean, the defense

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Speaker 5: has been bottom ten the last couple of years. Actually

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Speaker 5: I want to say there might have been bottom ten

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Speaker 5: every year when it comes to points allowed per game

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Speaker 5: during the Gust Bradley three year era. But I can't

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Speaker 5: see them in a top ten offense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Taylor would probably have to lead the

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Speaker 4: league in rushing. It was something he would have to

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Speaker 4: ball out. He'd have to be like all Pro in

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Speaker 4: my opinion, and you know, that aspect, I think is

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Speaker 4: one that you look to and okay, can that be

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Speaker 4: an elite element? I mean last year Taylor was damn

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Speaker 4: good in this three games, so you know.

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Speaker 5: But Denver happened and now people don't care anymore. But yeah,

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Speaker 5: sure I agree with you. He was batling pure numbers.

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Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, you know are there for this team. We

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Speaker 5: did get a text here at James I forget was

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Speaker 5: carl orce Gordon. Was she on the sidelines during the preseason.

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Speaker 5: That's a great question. I did not think to check that.

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Speaker 3: I know she was up in the booth in the

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Speaker 3: last game because she was doing her interview there.

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Speaker 4: But I on the sideline, and I think she had

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Speaker 4: told I don't know, maybe it's JJ's tinkab, it's from

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Speaker 4: the Colts. I think she had said at some point

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Speaker 4: she probably won't be on the sideline. I don't know

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Speaker 4: if that's already to be here week one. But again,

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Speaker 4: her father and the ring of honor coming up on

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Speaker 4: Sunday for those in attendance, you will get for the

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Speaker 4: boss T shirts and it sounds like the Colts will

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Speaker 4: honor Jimmersey in a couple other ways. To be announced

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Speaker 4: here before Sunday at one o'clock.

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Speaker 3: All right, looking forward to all that coming up. At

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Speaker 3: a moment, we'll take a look ahead to week one

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Speaker 3: in the National Football League, just outside even what the

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Speaker 3: culture doing, what are the other divisional opponents doing? And

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Speaker 3: some other key games as well. We've got I've got

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Speaker 3: a note today, a special one at football related. What

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Speaker 3: do we got Mark today?

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Speaker 6: Not spoiling it now?

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Speaker 3: Okay, thanks too, all right, I was gonna cheat a

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Speaker 3: little bit there and see where you're headed. But it's

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Speaker 3: all straight ahead here as we continue on ninety three

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Speaker 3: to five and one seven five the f I know

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Speaker 3: it's Thursday night, Mark Dyton, but this is the one

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Speaker 3: for me, and this is the soundtrack of the NFL

485
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Speaker 3: and my youth on Monday and night, everybody cleared their schedule.

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Speaker 3: It did met if you had homework, you got that

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Speaker 3: thing done and out of the way, and my mom

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Speaker 3: and dad, god bless him, would let me stay up

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Speaker 3: to watch all of Monday night football as a kid.

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Speaker 5: Loris, this does give me goose bumps.

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Speaker 3: Though. It was awesome every time. And they went away

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Speaker 3: for a while and then they finally brought it back

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Speaker 3: and those were lean Monday Night football years when they

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Speaker 3: went away from but they were doing crazy things. Remember

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Speaker 3: the Dennis Miller experiment and all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 4: But any Hornheiser on there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they were trying everybody everywhere. We have somebody rock

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Speaker 3: solid though, that we're happy to join. Have joined us

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Speaker 3: all the time. Zach Keifer, terrific writer from The Athletic,

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Speaker 3: kind enough to spend a few minutes with us this

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Speaker 3: morning here on the Fan Morning Show on the Payless

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Speaker 3: Liquors Hotline. Your all time favorite NFL theme, Zach Kiefer.

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Speaker 7: Is I just heard it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm with you.

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Speaker 7: That's the one man.

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Speaker 3: There we go. I knew I like Zach Keifer.

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Speaker 4: Zach, excellent work on your piece in The Athletic of

508
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Speaker 4: why and I should probably look up the exact title,

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Speaker 4: but basically why young quarterbacks fail in the leagues, particularly

510
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Speaker 4: high picks. The amount of voices you got, the gravitaze

511
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Speaker 4: of those voices I thought really stood out to me.

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Speaker 4: Honestly my favorite anecdote. And boy I tried to say

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Speaker 4: it to Jeff and James yesterday and they both looked

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Speaker 4: at me like I was an idiot. I love the

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Speaker 4: Matt Hasselbeck builders and realtors. Analogy from yesterday that you shared.

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Speaker 4: It kind of compared to scouts and coaches of you

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Speaker 4: know sometimes, yeah, they're in the same business, but they've

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Speaker 4: got different sorts of agendas and what they want to

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Speaker 4: look for in a particular player. Was there a particular

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Speaker 4: anecdote or an analogy that you heard, because there are

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Speaker 4: a ton of them throughout. Peyton Manning had one as

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Speaker 4: well that you really enjoyed in your piece.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I didn't know. I mean Peyton, I

524
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Speaker 7: almost felt like Peyton's therapist at times, and I certainly

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Speaker 7: felt like Alex Smith's therapist. If you read the story,

526
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Speaker 7: he kind of details how dark it was his first

527
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Speaker 7: couple of years in San Francisco. Seven coordinators in seven years.

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Speaker 7: He had to yell towards the side line as a

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Speaker 7: rookie to ask the coaches if he could get into shotgun.

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Speaker 7: He was watching film alone. He was basically a huge

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Speaker 7: imposter syndrome, just waiting for the team to realize they'd

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Speaker 7: made a huge mistake. But the signature moment for me

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Speaker 7: in this entire project, it obviously started with a Kevin

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Speaker 7: O'Connell quote. The Vikings coach said last year on the

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Speaker 7: Rich Eisen Show, organizations fail young quarterbacks before, organizations before,

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Speaker 7: young quarterbacks fail organizations. Right, So that's how it started.

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Speaker 7: So I asked a bunch of quarterbacks about what it's

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Speaker 7: really like as a rookie. In my mind, Andrew look

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Speaker 7: was as good as I've ever seen a rookie quarterback play.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 7: J Strod was excellent two years ago. Jay Daniels was excellent.

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Speaker 7: It doesn't matter. They were all really really good. It's

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Speaker 7: very rare. And Andrew paused for a long time after

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Speaker 7: I asked him that question what it was really like

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Speaker 7: in twenty twelve, and he said, you know, it was

546
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Speaker 7: everything you think it was in terms of the stress

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Speaker 7: and the pressure, and then you pour some gasoline on it.

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Speaker 7: And I told that to Kevin O'Connell and he was

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Speaker 7: silent for a couple seconds, and he said, that validates

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Speaker 7: everything I've ever thought about the position. If that guy

551
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Speaker 7: who was as ready, as polished, as prolific as any

552
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Speaker 7: rookie quarterback coming in the league we've seen in twenty years,

553
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Speaker 7: if that guy thinks it was really hard and he

554
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Speaker 7: was swimming above water, then imagine how hard it is

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Speaker 7: for the rest of them.

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Speaker 5: So you know me Zach as the resident hater. I'm

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Speaker 5: looking at Kevin O'Connell like, Okay, you've talked all this

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Speaker 5: big game JJ McCarthy bet, and i's think this year,

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Speaker 5: I'm have questions about this whole process. But no, I

560
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Speaker 5: do wonder though he's talked the big game, and obviously

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Speaker 5: we've seen some of his work more recently, obviously with

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Speaker 5: Sam Darnold. But that is a question I have, is, Okay,

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Speaker 5: what does it look like now when you have to

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Speaker 5: start over to a degree this year? But looking at

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Speaker 5: it from an organizational standpoint, you know, what was it

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Speaker 5: like to get so many players to open up from

567
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Speaker 5: that perspective and kind of reveal why they believe it

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Speaker 5: wasn't just their fault, Because I think that's the easy

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Speaker 5: route right even right now, Indianapoli is a lot of it,

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Speaker 5: and I still think the majority of the probably falls

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Speaker 5: on Anthony Richardson. But it's so easy to say it's

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Speaker 5: his fall because he didn't perform.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, let's go back to the combine and I think

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Speaker 7: I was sitting next to you in the stands at

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Speaker 7: Lucas Oil, James. This was two years ago when the

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Speaker 7: Colts had the number of four overall pick. We were

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Speaker 7: about twenty twenty five rows up from the field and

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Speaker 7: I remember seeing Shane stiking down there with Jim Bob

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Speaker 7: Cooter his OC saying had just been hired. Everybody knew

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Speaker 7: they were picking a quarterback. As I wrote in the story,

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Speaker 7: it was basically an ultimative. So what happened that day

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Speaker 7: at the combine? Anthony Richardson stole the show right. He

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Speaker 7: threw at seventy five yards, He did a backfliff afterwards,

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Speaker 7: the crowd was going crazy. He won the Underwear Olympics.

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Speaker 7: What was the other thing that happened that day that

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Speaker 7: was way more impressive? DJ Strad was the best quarterback

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Speaker 7: on the field. I remember this was way more accurate.

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Speaker 7: And I remember walking out of there and all people

589
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Speaker 7: were talking about was Richardson, and I remember being like,

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Speaker 7: did you see the throws? Like the throws matter? And

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Speaker 7: so you know, that scene stuck to me and you're right,

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Speaker 7: like a lot of this is on the quarterback, and

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Speaker 7: I'm not gonna omit the quarterback, and I don't want

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Speaker 7: my piece to sort of excuse the blame. And that's

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Speaker 7: something Matt Ryan said. He also apologized to the ball

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Speaker 7: State fans for taking a shot and the story. But

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Speaker 7: you know, Matt was like, the first thing he said

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Speaker 7: was like, well, wait a minute, it's on the quarterback too,

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Speaker 7: and a lot of these guys just don't know it.

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Speaker 7: But I think there is certainly a level of responsibility

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Speaker 7: with the organization from the minute they get into town

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Speaker 7: to help them develop as a quarterback. The thing that

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Speaker 7: bugs me and that bothers me, and that really surprises

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Speaker 7: me is that I've had this conversation with Chris Ballard

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Speaker 7: four years, four years before they even drafted a quarterback,

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Speaker 7: on the fact that it's not just drafting the dude,

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Speaker 7: it's having a plan once they get into town. And

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Speaker 7: the Colt have still screwed this up royally, leading us

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Speaker 7: to this moment now where essentially they're hitting the reset

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Speaker 7: button with their twenty three year old quarterback.

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Speaker 4: It's why you, frankly have an athletic subscription. The Bust

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Speaker 4: files How NFL teams break young quarterbacks. Wonderful, wonderful job

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Speaker 4: by Zach Kiefer on this piece. He's with us here

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Speaker 4: on the payloss Slickers hotline. Zach the Chris Ballard quote

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Speaker 4: and there are multiple ones in there, but I thought

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Speaker 4: one that stood out because I don't recall him saying

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Speaker 4: this about it's easier to find one being a young quarterback.

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Speaker 4: It's easier to find one when you've got one. He

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Speaker 4: referenced Alex Smith Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City. He referenced

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Speaker 4: Joe Flacco to Lamar Jackson and Baltimore. Those are back

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Speaker 4: to back drafts. When do you think the Colts could

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Speaker 4: have done that or should have done that? And I

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Speaker 4: know I'm asking you to put on some twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: hindsight glasses.

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Speaker 7: So this is the one I always go back to

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Speaker 7: TV and it doesn't add up, and it probably couldn't

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Speaker 7: have happened, but this is what they should have done.

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Speaker 7: They should not have traded the first round pick in

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty to the San Francisco forty nine ers to

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Speaker 7: get to Forest Buckner, who has been a terrific player.

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Speaker 7: They should have tried to move up and go get

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Speaker 7: Justin Herbert that year, and it would have taken a

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Speaker 7: little bit. I think he went number six overall, right

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Speaker 7: behind Tua, but that's when you do it. They wanted

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Speaker 7: to lean on patients, They wanted to go get Philip

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Speaker 7: Rivers for a year. They probably thought two and that

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Speaker 7: was fine, and Rivers was really good. He's been the

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Speaker 7: best of the post luck quarterbacks, I think. But the

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Speaker 7: reality is they were too patient. They were too patient,

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Speaker 7: too patient, and they didn't have one. And that quote

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Speaker 7: is I never heard Balance say that either. That was

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Speaker 7: so fascinating to me. That's what you would tell Ersay.

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Speaker 7: It's easier to find one when you've got one. And

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Speaker 7: you guys know this from being in those conversations with

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Speaker 7: Ballard and Ersay for years. The pressure ratcheted up. I'll

646
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Speaker 7: never forget being on Ersay's balcony in Arizona at the

647
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Speaker 7: owners meetings and we were asking about Lamar Jackson, who

648
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Speaker 7: wanted out of Baltimore at this time, and it didn't

649
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Speaker 7: seem like a logical thing that we ever going to

650
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Speaker 7: go get Lamar, and Ursay said, I want my own.

651
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 7: He wanted his own. He wanted to draft one. The

652
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 7: decision was made they were going to draft one at four.

653
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Speaker 7: And the crazy part is if they didn't get Richardson.

654
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 7: You remember they said they were going to draft Richardson

655
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Speaker 7: number one overall. If they had that pick, Now, maybe

656
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 7: that's just exaggeration, and maybe that's just something you say

657
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 7: after the draft, but that's a ridiculous consideration at this

658
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 7: point in time. But secondly, Ersay said after the draft, well,

659
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 7: if Richardson wasn't there, we would have just gone Levis.

660
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 7: It was quarterback or else. And that is a bad

661
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 7: way of doing things because Richardson has already been benched twice.

662
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 7: Levis has been benched. And honestly, if they're going to

663
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 7: have great futures in this league, chances are they're not

664
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Speaker 7: going to come with a team that drafted them.

665
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Speaker 5: Zach, I do want to clarify this point. I know

666
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Speaker 5: you mentioned the story that Ersay pushed for Anthony rich

667
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 5: Is going to play earlier, and I guess the clarity

668
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Speaker 5: I'm looking for is some of the reaction is, oh

669
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Speaker 5: my gosh, why is he saying that now? Reporting this now,

670
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 5: you know, it makes it seem like Jim Ersay was

671
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Speaker 5: the one calling all the shots. But how involved was

672
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Speaker 5: he in that decision? And also how much did the

673
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Speaker 5: other players in that party have a chance to maybe

674
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Speaker 5: voice their opinion, i e. Shane psych and Chris Ballard.

675
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean this, we reported this that first A

676
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 7: didn't order them to play Anthony Richardson by any means,

677
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 7: he wanted to see the kid play. He's on the

678
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 7: record saying he's got to play. He was in the

679
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 7: camp of, yeah, he only played thirteen college games. How

680
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 7: do you grow? You grow by playing right? And that

681
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 7: was a lot of people what they thought at the time.

682
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 7: I think I was in the pretty strong minority thinking

683
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 7: he needed to fit because he just didn't have enough

684
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 7: college experience. I mean, Peyton Manning stunk as a rookie,

685
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 7: thought he was going to get bench six quarters into

686
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Speaker 7: his career and that dude played forty eight college games.

687
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Speaker 6: Forty eight.

688
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Speaker 7: And the other part of this that I talked abaat

689
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Speaker 7: about this is Richardson did not grow up like a

690
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 7: lot of these quarterbacks grow up. I'm not saying it's

691
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 7: right or wrong, but you know, he wasn't in all

692
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 7: the camps and he wasn't like a top prospect growing

693
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Speaker 7: up despite all of his physical talent. So there was

694
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Speaker 7: a maturation process that's going to need to happen once

695
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 7: he gets to the pros. And it's just studdying to

696
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 7: me because Shane Steichen threw him in there after one

697
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 7: preseason game. They named him the starter and Ballard let

698
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Speaker 7: it happen. And I think both of them, if they

699
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 7: could go back in time, would alter that decision and

700
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Speaker 7: have him sit beside behind Gardner Minshew. And it's just

701
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 7: it's easy to say it now, but you know that's

702
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 7: kind of what Ballard was saying was the hardest thing

703
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 7: is oftentimes the right thing is often the hardest thing

704
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 7: to do in the moment. And they cowered. Really like,

705
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 7: the hardest thing to do at that moment is to

706
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 7: tell the fans wait, this guy needs to wait, he

707
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 7: needs to sit. I know you're going to be mad.

708
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 7: I know we're going to have this Lamborghini on the

709
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 7: sideline that we're not going to get out there, but

710
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 7: we need to wait. And Ballard, which is he had

711
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 7: done that, but he said, look like the only way

712
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 7: you learn these lessons is by going through it. And

713
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Speaker 7: so we'll see if they can get it right now.

714
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Speaker 7: I don't think it's too late. Richardson's still twenty three,

715
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Speaker 7: But this was not simply an urs A decision to

716
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Speaker 7: play him in twenty twenty three.

717
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Speaker 5: Why don't you think it's too late, because I think

718
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 5: it is to a degree. You've benched him twice now

719
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Speaker 5: through the first three years and there's no clear plan

720
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Speaker 5: for his future here. I know they keep saying they

721
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 5: believe in him, but on the flip side, he also

722
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 5: has to believe in them.

723
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Speaker 7: Good question, James. I thought your story detailed where his

724
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 7: hat is at pretty well yesterday. Because this has been

725
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 7: a roller coaster, right, This has been a roller coaster

726
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 7: for him. It'll be interesting to see how he responds.

727
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 7: But sometimes young quarterbacks need this. Sometimes they need this,

728
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 7: they need a humbling, They need to sit and watch.

729
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 7: I honestly believe the Colts think to get Anthony Richardson

730
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 7: close to his ceiling if he ever gets there in

731
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Speaker 7: this league. I think the Colts and by that I

732
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 7: mean Shane Styken and Chris Ballard believe he gets there

733
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Speaker 7: if he sits this season, if he sits and watches.

734
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Speaker 7: I just think it'll be the best thing. They think

735
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 7: they'll be the best thing for the long term prospects

736
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 7: of his career. Who's the Colts quarterback next, Like, I

737
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 7: don't have a clue. It could be anybody. It could

738
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Speaker 7: be Jones, it could be Richardson, it could be Riley Leonard,

739
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 7: it could be anybody. That's that's the that's the unknown

740
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 7: right now. And I think Richardson plays this season at

741
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 7: some point based on the last couple of years and

742
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 7: how they've gone. They've played multiple quarterbacks every year since

743
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 7: I can remember, except maybe going back to the Carson

744
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 7: Wentz year, and so I think that's where we're at

745
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 7: right now with him. Is this team is the future

746
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 7: is very murky, and there's very much an open door

747
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 7: at that position. And I think there's no reason why

748
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 7: Richardson won't be competing for the starting job next year

749
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Speaker 7: unless Daniel Jones just balls out all season, which I

750
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 7: don't think very many people in Indianapolis outside the Colts

751
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 7: building think is going to happen.

752
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 3: What happens if this team goes nine to eight and

753
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 3: Daniel Jones is okay and maybe in a few games

754
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson plays and he's okay.

755
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 5: Now what?

756
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, man, that's Jeff. Is that not the worst situation

757
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 7: for this team? Right?

758
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 4: Like?

759
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 7: Do you run it back? Do you? Like, remember you

760
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 7: got a GM on the hot seat? Depending on what

761
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 7: Carl Ersay thinks you've got to coach? Maybe in the

762
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 7: same realm, I'm not so sure on him, Like do

763
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 7: you run it back? Is mediocre okay, Carl Ersay's words,

764
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 7: mediocre is not okay. They're tired of running in circles.

765
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 7: This team is tired of being mediocre in a mediocre

766
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 7: division and missing out on the playoffs. I think a

767
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 7: home playoff game would matter a lot. I think that

768
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 7: would matter a lot. That would mean a division championship,

769
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 7: that would mean that streak is over, and a home

770
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 7: playoff game was very important to jim Ercay. That's how

771
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 7: he measured the barometer of like success, Like that's the

772
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 7: first thing. If you want to have a successful season,

773
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 7: the first step is to host a home playoff game.

774
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 7: You do that by winning the division. If this team

775
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 7: does that, I think suddenly the door opens to running

776
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 7: it back. Maybe that's not the long term play they

777
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 7: but I just feel like, considering they've come short of

778
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 7: that so many times doing things the other way the

779
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 7: last couple of years, I feel like that would finally

780
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 7: feel like some momentum in January instead of the last

781
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 7: couple of years, Whi's been utter disappointment, confusion, and failure.

782
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Speaker 3: Always good to talk to you, Zach. Keep working hard.

783
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 3: I'm glad the athletic lets you do your thing. Man,

784
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Speaker 3: We appreciate it. We always like reading it and thanks

785
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 3: for coming on.

786
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Speaker 7: Great work exactly on a good note. Thanks guys.

787
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Speaker 1: As you were listening to a fan morning show on

788
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Speaker 1: Sports Radio ninety three to five and one oh seven

789
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Speaker 1: five the Fan fairly.

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Speaker 3: New and this is Amazon Mark.

791
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I was gonna say this is the newest of

792
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 8: the bunch. This is thursdayight football on Amazon Prime.

793
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 3: But not tonight because it's the season.

794
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Speaker 6: Open, right, there's confusion.

795
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 8: Yes, it is on NBC and then tomorrow night this

796
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,959
Speaker 8: game will be on YouTube and YouTube TV.

797
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Speaker 3: There you go to figure.

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Speaker 6: That all out.

799
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 3: Now you're updates. I might be just as well. I'll

800
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 3: probably be dual screening it with the fevered of mind

801
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 3: because I do need to win that basketball game. We'll

802
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 3: talk more about that later. Kevin, you were mentioning trade.

803
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 5: I don't.

804
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,439
Speaker 3: I don't even know what we'd call it, just talk

805
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 3: about Anthony Richardson, if something might happen in the future

806
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 3: or whatever. What were you referring to.

807
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, So ESPN's Jeremy Fowler Dan Grasiano had this report

808
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 4: and kind of a week one buzzying news update, if

809
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 4: you will. Derek Jackson, Richardson's agent, did meet in person

810
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 4: with Chris Boward again. We had heard from Stephen Holder

811
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 4: that there are just some questions about, you know, a

812
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 4: question of trust from the Richardson camp with the cult organization.

813
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 4: But they met in person last week with Chris Boward

814
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 4: to clear the air. Jackson again he is. Richardson's agent

815
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 4: called the meeting very constructive and just a chance for

816
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 4: the sides to let feelings be known. Though a trade

817
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 4: was not requested, the topic was broached in the meeting.

818
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 4: Ballad reinforced Indy has no plans to trade Richardson still

819
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 4: believes in the quarterback. Richardson isn't making any ways. He

820
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 4: will remain professional, backing up Jones and maintaining his readiness.

821
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 4: A part of the camp's frustration is that all parties

822
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 4: acknowledge patients would be required when Richardson was drafted. So

823
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 4: that update from ESPN Jeremy Faller, Dan Graziano, all.

824
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Speaker 3: Right, well keep an eye on all that. Mark. In

825
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 3: the meantime, I know you've as always you got You're

826
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 3: wondering about a lot of things all the time. We're

827
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 3: here to help you out.

828
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Speaker 1: He's got questions. How about a game they've got answers.

829
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: They I'm more of a you know, a corn hoole

830
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Speaker 1: man myself, sports music, movies, what high fashions be?

831
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Speaker 5: Hands all so hot right now and.

832
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 3: Everything in between. You're unders foot with four to two.

833
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: It's time to get a glimpse into the mind of

834
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: Mark Dyke.

835
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Speaker 5: Didn't stop it. You scaring me.

836
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 3: It's time for I gotta know.

837
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 5: Okay, you punk, I want a good clean fight. Let's

838
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 5: get it off.

839
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 3: Well, Mark Teton, you are off and running here on

840
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Speaker 3: a Thursday morning, day one of the twenty twenty five

841
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Speaker 3: NFL season. What have you got?

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Speaker 6: All right? Boys? Well we're talking all NFL. Look at

843
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 6: this little NFL theme going on here.

844
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Speaker 8: All right, let's talk NFL. Let's go through it right now.

845
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 8: I need division winners in the AFC. Let's go around

846
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 8: the horn. Let's start the AFC North. I have the

847
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 8: Ravens winning the AFC North. Kevin, what about you?

848
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 4: I'll go Bengals.

849
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna go Bengals as well. There's gonna be

850
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: a Joe Burrow type year.

851
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 5: It's Joe Burrow type year every year and they still

852
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 5: do not win the division. Shout out to the Ravens

853
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 5: while I'm picking, don't have a defense.

854
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 3: What are you doing? All right?

855
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 8: AFC East Buffalo Bills. I see them still owning that division.

856
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 3: They're the next iteration of the New England Patriots up

857
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 3: there is gonna be a while.

858
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't pick against the Bills. That rest of

859
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 5: that division kind of thinks.

860
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I am.

861
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 4: Curious what New England will do with Drake May and

862
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 4: Mike Rable. You know, I thought showed some things late.

863
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 3: They're the second best team in that division. Yeah, I

864
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 3: don't know.

865
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Speaker 4: I don't know if I'm ready to write off Miami

866
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 4: just yet, but yes, I will go with Buffalo.

867
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Speaker 6: Uh AFC South.

868
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 8: I'm going to be you know, I'm gonna be late

869
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 8: to the party of the Colts finally get the division wins.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna say the Texans.

871
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 4: Yes, indeed, Houston Texans for the third straight year.

872
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 5: I gotta go Texans. Quarterback play has determined a lot

873
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 5: in the division last few years, and they had the

874
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 5: best quarterback. Simple as that.

875
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Speaker 3: I've said ten wins Colts, No Boys go Alright, you're

876
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 3: part of that seven percent of ultimately pessimistic Colts fans

877
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 3: over there.

878
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 5: No, I thought that was n I thought ninety three percent. Yeah,

879
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 5: you're what's your reasoning there, Jeff, give us some points

880
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 5: here that we should be using his optimism.

881
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 3: I think the rest of the division sucks. I think

882
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 3: other than quarterback, it's a tur.

883
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 6: I like that.

884
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 3: I'm liking the look. I like what they've done on defense.

885
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 4: Do you think Houston sucks? Really about to say?

886
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 3: What? Okay?

887
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 5: Hey, this is what you're saying?

888
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 3: Okay? I would ask more of the why on why

889
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 3: does Houston suck? Versus Yeah they didn't. Did you see

890
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: him last year? They weren't burning out. Anything sucks is overboard,

891
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 3: But I don't I like the Colts to finally win

892
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 3: more games than they lose within the division. I do

893
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 3: think they'll start off too and one in the first

894
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 3: three weeks of this season. You can all laugh at

895
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 3: me later, but that's where I'm at.

896
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 5: No, I don't mind the decision, but man, the reasoning. Brother,

897
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 5: this is like me giving like a speech when project.

898
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 3: I'm trying to move it along. But if you want,

899
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 3: I love what they've done defensively. I like that they've

900
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 3: ad the draft pick that they made this year on

901
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 3: the edge. I know to step forward this year. I

902
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 3: believe that the offensive line is capable, and they have

903
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 3: one of the best running backs behind them. And I'll

904
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 3: say this about Daniel Jones, just don't screw it up.

905
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 5: We go all right, up, those are receiving, don't.

906
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 6: We know that? All right?

907
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 5: AFC, AFC West.

908
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 8: I'm saying the Chiefs until otherwise notified Chargers.

909
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 6: Like that.

910
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 5: If you think I will pick against Taylor Swift, You've

911
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 5: got another thing coming.

912
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 4: Kelsey moved like me in the Super Bowl dision.

913
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 3: How many division titles do you think Kansas City has

914
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 3: won in a row?

915
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 4: Now, I'm gonna guess seven nine?

916
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 5: Is it really ninefomes?

917
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 7: Yeah?

918
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 4: Alex Smith, Baby.

919
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 3: They have owned that division. I think Denver's and and

920
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 3: look the Chargers have gotten better too. I think both

921
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 3: teams have gotten better. But they're not Kansas City good yet.

922
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 5: I'm they're picking against some Homes or again, Taylor Swift.

923
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 6: All right, let's.

924
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 8: Get three wild card teams in the a f C.

925
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 8: I'm going Bengals, Chargers, Broncos, Ravens.

926
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Speaker 4: Got the Colts at nine and eight. Is nine and

927
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 4: eight enough In the a f C. You're gonna have

928
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 4: to win some tie breakers, Yeah, I think so, I'll

929
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Speaker 4: go Ravens, Broncos, Patriots.

930
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 3: All right, I picked the Colts to win the division,

931
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 3: so I will go Broncos, Texans, Ravens.

932
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 8: Those crappy Texans are making the playoffs.

933
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go Bengals, Broncos and maybe Dolphins.

934
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 6: Okay, all right, that's interesting there. I like that. Like

935
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 6: Morgas board, we got there.

936
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 5: I know that's a beautiful part of the NFL.

937
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 3: Though they got too.

938
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 5: If he can stay healthy, maybe they can do something.

939
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 5: We'll see, all right.

940
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 8: NFC North, I've got the Detroit Lions. Despite all the

941
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 8: losses and the coaching staff, they still find a way.

942
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 8: They still have that offense humming with Jared Goff and

943
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 8: aman Ross, Saint Brown and all the engineer Gibbs and whatnot.

944
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 8: The Lions will still take the NFC North Packers, Kevin,

945
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 8: come on.

946
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 4: Losing the coordinators for the Lions. I think it's a

947
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 4: very underrated element to it.

948
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that one hundred percent, and I

949
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 3: like I think I think adding Micah Parsons puts that

950
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 3: defense on a different level. They were good anyway, puts

951
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 3: them on a completely different level. They can run the football.

952
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 3: We know that with Josh Jacobs. I like the draft

953
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 3: pick of Golden I like the Packers.

954
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 6: How dare you? How dare all of you?

955
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 5: The Bears?

956
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 3: Williams, the two Shockingly, the two Illinois natives have picked

957
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 3: the Chicago shock.

958
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,439
Speaker 5: He didn't pick them. I didn't pick him. I picked

959
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 5: the Bears. I'm doing this for shock value more than

960
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 5: anything else. I have no valid reasoning other than Cayler

961
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 5: Williams be better than last year.

962
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 3: Mark probably has the Bears going like two and fifteen.

963
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 8: No, no, no, all right, NFC East, I've got the Eagles.

964
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 8: I think they take care of business night and they

965
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 8: just kind of cruised the NFC East once again.

966
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 5: Or mean, what's a good one.

967
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 4: Part of me wants to pick Washington, but yeah, I

968
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 4: will go with Philly.

969
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with the Washington Commanders. I think both

970
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 3: those teams are really good. I could see both those

971
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 3: teams winning at least twelve games.

972
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 5: I will pick the Cowboys if Jerry Jones gave me

973
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 5: a kow while innerd deal, but that's on the table.

974
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 5: I'll go with the Eagles.

975
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: They damn act together.

976
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 5: Get the little side money there, you know, I'll row

977
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 5: what's Jared, But I need some incentives.

978
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 8: All right, NFC East, I've got the Bucks, but it's

979
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 8: gonna be southet. I don't I don't know exactly what's

980
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 8: gonna happen with the Falcons, but I think it's a

981
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 8: two team race.

982
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 6: I've got the Bucks prevailing.

983
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's probably pretty I'm gonna go with the Bucks

984
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 3: as well.

985
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 5: Shout out to Mike Evans. He is one of my

986
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 5: favorite players of all time. I know he's kind of underrated.

987
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 5: I think he's only got one All Pro selection in

988
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 5: his career. Every year he gets like eight touchdowns in

989
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 5: the South Yards and he's probably going to be a

990
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 5: Hall of Famer someday.

991
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 3: And the best thing to happen to him late in

992
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 3: his career is Baker Mayfield loves him some.

993
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 5: Mike Evans, Yeah, well, also, areue the best thing to

994
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 5: happen to him with Tom Brady coming for a year?

995
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 4: Yeah for two, I'll got Falcons. I think the Falcons

996
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 4: are a surprise team this year. I like Michael Pennix

997
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 4: Junior a lot. They were there until they kind of

998
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 4: bottom out late in the season. I love their skill group.

999
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 4: I will go with Raheem Morrise in the Falcons.

1000
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 8: All right, NFC West. I thought long and hard about

1001
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 8: this one. I originally had the Rams. With matt Stafford's

1002
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 8: back issue, his me concerned. So I'm gonna say the

1003
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 8: forty nine ers get back to it. They are going

1004
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 8: to be one of the teams that makes the playffs

1005
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 8: that didn't make it last year.

1006
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 5: Okay, who's Seattle starting quarterback? Why I'm blaking on this?

1007
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 6: Donald Donald?

1008
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 5: Tim dam darn at the bag he did get?

1009
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 6: The bet Cup is there now too?

1010
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I gotta go with the Rams. I like Matthew Stafford.

1011
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 5: I think he's honestly one of the most underrated quarterbacks

1012
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 5: of this era and probably all time. I mean, he

1013
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 5: spent a lot of years losing with Detroit. Lions were

1014
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 5: not his fault. That guy can ball, So as long

1015
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 5: as the back is intact, I'm rolling with him.

1016
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 4: Look at that.

1017
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with Kyle Shanahan and the San Francisco

1018
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 3: forty nine Ers. I like what he's done with brock Perdy.

1019
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 3: He gets a little bit better each year. They got

1020
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 3: to keep him healthy, and they got to keep Christian

1021
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 3: McCaffrey healthy. That's the key for them. If Christian McCaffrey's healthy,

1022
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 3: there's just no better weapon in the NFL. Jamar Gibbs,

1023
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 3: I apologize, but man, Christian McCaffrey is n.

1024
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 4: I think I saw the only division that has all

1025
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 4: four teams with they're over under. It's seven and a

1026
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 4: half or higher like some people are hiring it Arizona.

1027
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 4: So I do think this is one of the more

1028
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 4: competitive one to four divisions in all of foot ball.

1029
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 4: I will go with the Rams. I hear you out

1030
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 4: Mark on the back. I do think Jimmy G's a

1031
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 4: pretty quality backup if you do have to do that

1032
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 4: for a month or so. I am not going to

1033
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 4: bet against Sean McMath.

1034
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 3: To your point, though, real quickly get for the Cardinals though.

1035
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 3: The reason people are starting to like them Kyler Murray's

1036
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 3: Kyler Murray knny is what he is. He can play,

1037
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 3: he does some really good things. But that skill group, now,

1038
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,959
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior is ready to explode this year. They've

1039
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 3: got a terrific McBride is a fantastic tight end. Not

1040
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 3: only they have one of the most consistent running backs

1041
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 3: in James Connor, but they got a guy Benson pushing

1042
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 3: him a little bit too. They got a really nice

1043
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 3: skill group there. Right, we're up against it.

1044
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 8: So let's do NFC Wildcard real quick, and we always

1045
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 8: circle back to this after a couple interviews and do

1046
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 8: super Bowl picks and whatnot.

1047
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 5: NFC Wildcard.

1048
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 8: I've got Commanders, Packers, Bears, Yeah, Lions.

1049
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 5: Commanders, Cowboys, Commanders, Packers, Vikings.

1050
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 3: Well, since I picked Commanders to win that, and I

1051
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 3: will go Eagles, Lions, and Rams.

1052
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 6: Okay, there you go.

1053
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 8: We can maybe get into Super Bowl picks after at

1054
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 8: We've got Zach Keith for coming up next.

1055
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:11,919
Speaker 6: All right, we'll talk to him.

1056
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 3: That's next. Ninety three five one seven five The Fan.

1057
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Speaker 5: He here we go.

1058
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Speaker 1: You were listening to the Fan Morning show on Sports

1059
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Speaker 1: Radio ninety three five and one seven five The Fan.

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Speaker 3: It's money making time at that time of year. NFL

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1066
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Speaker 3: Jason Hammer is here to make us all a little

1067
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Speaker 3: bit extra, a little bit extra coin. We're gonna dec forward, right,

1068
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Speaker 3: we are going to try now, Mark and Kevin backed

1069
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Speaker 3: me up here. Last year on Thursdays, we went on

1070
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Speaker 3: a bit of a heater, right. Yes, we did very

1071
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 3: well last year on Thursdays. So the old gambling adage

1072
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Speaker 3: is water finds its level. So I'm doing to just stink.

1073
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Speaker 5: No, we don't want to ju we don't want to

1074
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 5: hear that.

1075
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Speaker 3: We don't want to hear.

1076
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Speaker 9: That, Sampo and Lou Holtz right here, I'm setting the

1077
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 9: expectations low so that way, when we have amazing success,

1078
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Speaker 9: it looks like this huge successful story, such as the respect.

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Speaker 3: For your expertise in this area. Kevin Bowen seated his

1080
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 3: seat to you and is taking notes on everything you

1081
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Speaker 3: say over in Mark Dyiten's.

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Speaker 4: I would right now be in this studio if it

1083
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 4: weren't for Jason Hammer's immense amount of money that he

1084
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 4: sent to the Bowen family last year via these Thursday segments.

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Speaker 4: So Jason Hammer, thank you.

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00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 9: The last time we all got together was the show

1087
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 9: before the super Bowl, and if you recall, it was

1088
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 9: a generational run. During that Super Bowl. We got first touchdown,

1089
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 9: we got the last touchdown, which was I believe like

1090
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 9: ten to one, and we made so much money.

1091
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 3: We were above the law. That's the goal, right, we

1092
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 3: want to make so much money.

1093
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 9: If you get pulled over, you could get your gambling

1094
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 9: ticket out and go.

1095
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 3: I think we know what's going on here. I feel

1096
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 3: like I'm twenty seconds away from Jason busting out.

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00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 5: I've got the game of the century. But you gotta

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00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 5: listen this afternoon to Hammer and Nigel.

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00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 3: Right, I'm sunglasses indoors guy.

1100
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 5: Right, All right, all that aside. The NFL kicks off tonight.

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00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys are eight and a half point underdogs in

1102
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 3: Philadelphia tonight.

1103
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 9: So this was six and a half before the Micah

1104
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 9: Parsons trade.

1105
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 3: Now, with all due respect to Michael Parsons, who is.

1106
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 9: A bad man, two points for a linebacker trade in

1107
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 9: a divisional game on Week one, that's absurd to me.

1108
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 3: That's a quarterback number.

1109
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 9: Like if we woke up this morning, take Kansas City,

1110
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 9: for example, and found out Patrick Mahomes injured his ankle,

1111
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 9: He's out of the lineup's two point drop, not a linebacker.

1112
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 9: The market has overreacted in such a way to this.

1113
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 9: I'm a leaning the Cowboys tonight. Now, I'm not gonna

1114
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 9: tell you they're gonna sit here and win this thing tonight.

1115
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 9: Philly probably does find a way to pull this off.

1116
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 9: But Dak Prescott historically has played really well in Philly

1117
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 9: his last four games. Didn't play last year due to

1118
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,760
Speaker 9: the injuries. But go back to December of twenty twenty

1119
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 9: three two touchdowns, zero interceptions, December of twenty two, three touchdowns,

1120
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 9: one pick, January twenty two, five touchdowns, zero pick, and

1121
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 9: September of twenty one, three touchdowns, zero picks. Now, if

1122
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 9: my Beach Grove High School education is correct here, that's

1123
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 9: thirteen touchdowns to one interception at one of the most

1124
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 9: hostile environments in the NFL. So Dak's not scared of

1125
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 9: this kind of thing. Cowboys are down a little bit,

1126
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 9: but again, we don't need him to win. We need

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00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 9: him to hang around. And eight and a half for

1128
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 9: a divisional opponent, especially in Week one, that feels like

1129
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 9: a big number to me, even on the road.

1130
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like it. I like it.

1131
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 4: I like eight and a half And shout out to

1132
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 4: the Beech Grove Hornets and that education right there from

1133
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 4: Jason Hammer. Okay, Individual player props. I know you always

1134
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 4: throw a couple at us. What else do you like

1135
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 4: here outside of just the eight and a half line?

1136
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 9: So let's look at Dak Prescott passing attempts. If the

1137
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 9: Cowboys are going to either be in this game or

1138
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 9: playing from behind, depending on how you want to look

1139
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 9: at it, it ain't because of the running game. Thirty

1140
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 9: six and a half is the number of attempts that

1141
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 9: I see listed for Dak Prescott tonight. We're gonna ride

1142
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 9: the lightning and we're gonna go over at thirty six

1143
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 9: and a half passing attempts. And if you want some juice,

1144
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 9: I always like to give you a plus number here.

1145
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 9: You know, we don't want to be a bunch of

1146
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 9: chalk eating weasels. So let's go with AJ Brown anytime

1147
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 9: touchdown plus one twenty three has found the end zone

1148
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 9: and a lot of games late with the Eagles, it's

1149
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 9: got a good rapport going on. I'll take it anytime

1150
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 9: touchdown by AJ Brown at plus money.

1151
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to take anytime touchdown for like Jalen

1152
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 3: Hirsch or Sakwon Barkley because you can't even get plus

1153
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 3: odds on those guys to score even the touchdown which

1154
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 3: we got in the Super Bowl. Tush push.

1155
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 9: It's not the juice you would want for a first

1156
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 9: touchdown because they get down to the goal line, you

1157
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 9: know what's coming. So we're gonna go with AJ Brown here.

1158
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 9: Anytime touchdown. I wish that number we're a little bit higher,

1159
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 9: but plus one twenty three.

1160
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 3: So here's a sneaky one. I want to get your

1161
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 3: opinion on this. I like anytime touchdown from a guy

1162
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 3: who actually has got a better proportion of touchdowns to

1163
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 3: receptions than AJ does. DeVante Smith, they find him in

1164
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 3: the end zone.

1165
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 9: Yes, I've just been burned by him in the past,

1166
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 9: and I'm petty and I'm spiteful, and.

1167
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 3: I appreciates that.

1168
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, there are certain people that just beat me no

1169
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 9: matter what I do. If I bet on Minnesota football,

1170
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 9: I'm going to get beat ro the boat guy screws

1171
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 9: me every time. And anytime I've bet a prop on

1172
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 9: Devontae Smith. Oh, he's on a roll. He's got all

1173
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 9: these touchdowns. He'll go out three catches eight yards like

1174
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 9: that's just how it works for me.

1175
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 3: Hammer.

1176
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 4: This makes probably no logical sense, but I always like

1177
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 4: to do the feel good bets. Early in college football season.

1178
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 4: Hear me out on this. Okay, it's a week Week

1179
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 4: two slate. I got a lot of marquee games coming

1180
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 4: up here in week two.

1181
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:26,439
Speaker 3: Chirp, chirp.

1182
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 4: Shout out to the ball State Cardinals. We know Matt

1183
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 4: Ryan hates Muncie, but we do not. They are a

1184
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 4: forty three and a half point underdog at Auburn coming

1185
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 4: up on Saturday. Is there any sort of I don't know,

1186
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 4: betting compass that you have where in the NFL. Sometimes

1187
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 4: I say, if you're a double digit or if you're

1188
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 4: a two touchdown underdog, I'm taking you forty three and

1189
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 4: a half points. Do we not take ball State? Or

1190
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 4: am I just an idiot and too much of a

1191
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 4: local homer for that?

1192
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 3: Ball States? Thanks Kevin and listen. I went to ball State.

1193
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 9: I feel like I can say these things and one touched.

1194
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 5: My first fake ID.

1195
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 9: Is hanging up on the wall at the Muncie liquor

1196
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 9: store that looks like you. At least my fake ID

1197
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 9: had me listed as common McAtee twenty eight to fifty

1198
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 9: Aspen Road, Lectington, Kentucky. I still remember the information. Yeah,

1199
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 9: but boy, they're not very good. Here's what you can do,

1200
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 9: because there is the chance with the back door cover there, right,

1201
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 9: take a look at Auburn first half should be around

1202
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 9: twenty four and a half ish. I haven't taken a look,

1203
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 9: but if you're looking to bet that one, go Auburn

1204
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 9: first half. Because I love my friends in Funcie. Yeah,

1205
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 9: but my goodness, there are not very good all right.

1206
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 5: Amber, I'll go here the one from me. You know,

1207
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,240
Speaker 5: we're talking a lot of Colts lately on these airways. Okay,

1208
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 5: what are you looking at? Colts wise? And did any

1209
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 5: of your bets change with the quarterback change?

1210
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 3: No?

1211
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 9: This was a game that if I didn't live in Indianapolis,

1212
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 9: I would avoid like the plague.

1213
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 3: Like, okay, so we feel like talked.

1214
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 5: About this to you, not one did you really want

1215
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 5: to play?

1216
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 7: Right?

1217
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 9: I feel like the Dolphins have the better quarterback, but

1218
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 9: talent wise, it's not that big of a discrepancy. The

1219
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 9: Colts are at home. The line shifted. Originally Dolphins were

1220
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 9: a one point favorite, then a couple of weeks ago,

1221
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 9: Colts became a one point favorite. If I'm playing this one,

1222
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 9: I'm looking at a player prop and this is one

1223
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 9: I like a great deal, and I'm going to make

1224
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 9: this bet as soon as we get off the air.

1225
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,919
Speaker 9: I think Danny Dimes is going to be Danny Dink

1226
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 9: and Dunk, So give me the new Colts tight end

1227
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 9: Warren over three and a half receptions that that that's

1228
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 9: the one we're going to take to the band here.

1229
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 3: Not true. That's the name of the show.

1230
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 9: You have hammer that right, Degenerates next Door, that's our show.

1231
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 9: We will better against our mothers if we think we

1232
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 9: can win some money. We're not the good guys next door.

1233
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 9: We're the Degenerates next Door. Myself, Rob Kendall, and two

1234
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 9: local professional gamblers, Kenny Britton David Stephanoff. We do this

1235
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 9: little podcast every Tuesday and Thursday.

1236
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 3: Moving Truck's going to show up at Jason in his

1237
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 3: mom's house, and Jason's gonna get there at the same time.

1238
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 3: He go my mom, sorry was a bad week, It

1239
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 3: was a bad break. Sorry. I mean it picks six,

1240
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 3: it coming and three and a half catches. That seems

1241
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 3: like that seems like a no brainer to me.

1242
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, and there's a little juice attached to it here.

1243
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 9: It's the only number I see out there that I think.

1244
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 9: It's like minus one fifty something it's a little juice

1245
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 9: and a half. Honestly, I'm with you and mark your

1246
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 9: Chicago Football Bears Monday Night football here home Divisional Dogs

1247
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 9: in week one. Since two thousand and eight are barking

1248
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 9: baby twenty four and seven home Divisional Dogs scoop him

1249
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 9: up in week one. I'm on the Bears plus one

1250
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 9: and a half. Bear down baby. I don't think JJ

1251
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 9: is that dude. I think Chicago's a little better. They've

1252
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 9: got a competent coach.

1253
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 3: Now.

1254
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 9: I don't know if they're making the playoffs, but I'll

1255
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 9: take him at home in week one.

1256
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 8: Ben Johnson has faced you know, Brian Flora has plenty

1257
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 8: of times and he's had his way with them.

1258
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 6: So I'm on Namur train. I like it.

1259
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:07,959
Speaker 3: Can you produce a show because Tuesday morning he's gonna

1260
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 3: be useless.

1261
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 9: Well, we were having a conversation before we came on

1262
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 9: the air here because we're both cub fans. What's the

1263
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 9: strategy of taking out a young pitcher with a no

1264
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 9: hitter through five, with a pitch count of only seventy

1265
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 9: five in a game that you kind of need to

1266
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 9: keep pace with the Milwaukee Brewers.

1267
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 3: It's modern baseball with a bunch of number scrunchers running

1268
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 3: it from the General Manager's office. Craig Council, I'll say,

1269
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 3: nerds wrong, Nerds is when I heard right?

1270
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,959
Speaker 8: Yeah, Craig Council overthinking and then sending in Ben Brown

1271
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 8: to give up the lead.

1272
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 3: You think it's a Craig decision or a GM decision, Craig.

1273
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 6: Craig needs to get out of the computer, is what

1274
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 6: he needs to do.

1275
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for coming by. We'll look forward to seeing

1276
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 3: you next week. And when can we hear your betting

1277
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 3: premress again one more time? Degenerates next Door podcast. Wherever

1278
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 3: you get podcasts, find it and remember, when I win,

1279
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 3: we all win. So if I have a winning night tonight,

1280
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 3: if we hit two out of three, I'm bringing shots

1281
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 3: around the board. Next uh, next week? Here we go. Yeah,

1282
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 3: whoa