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Speaker 1: You're listening to the best of the Fan Morning Show

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Speaker 1: on ninety three five and one oh seven five the

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Speaker 1: Fan They Seized a Fan Morning Show with KB jab

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Speaker 1: and Jeff.

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Speaker 2: Out of the gun goes Leonard. Three receivers stack to

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Speaker 2: the left side. Leonard looks that way, hitches taking a

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Speaker 2: shot wide open downfield.

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Speaker 3: Dallan pears He's got it.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna go twenty ten, glides into the end zone untouched.

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Speaker 2: He got behind everybody for a touchdown. Three receivers the

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Speaker 2: ploy left. Leonard shotgun. Stapp scanning from his right side

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Speaker 2: end of the end zone has a man touchdown. Alc Pierce.

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Speaker 2: You know it to today for Pierce deep drop on

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Speaker 2: play action. Leonard blowing up again looking for pairs. He's

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Speaker 2: got inside the five and it's dragged down shore of

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Speaker 2: the goal line, down to the one yard line.

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Speaker 3: The third bomb today to Alec Pierce.

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Speaker 4: After the play unsports fly conduct conduct contacting an official

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Speaker 4: off cast number fourteen.

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Speaker 2: A fifteen yard tennesseeam down down and the fourteen is

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Speaker 2: just quittlefi wow.

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Speaker 3: Five seconds the goal. Let's see what they can do.

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Speaker 2: Riley Leonard backs to throw, drives it over the middle,

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Speaker 2: caught by Josh Downs thirty. Here's a lateral back to

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Speaker 2: Michael Pittman Junior outside the numbers, back to Riley Leonard

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Speaker 2: the twenty yard line, and.

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Speaker 1: He just loses the ball.

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Speaker 3: It's available inside the ten. The Texans haven't. They're running

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Speaker 3: the other way and they score on touchdown the final

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Speaker 3: part of the game.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was frustrating.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the last half of the season for sure. That's

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Speaker 6: what it's been, not find ways to finish, and we

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Speaker 6: got to work tiresly to get that fixed. Obviously, we

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Speaker 6: showed signs early in the season that was pretty darn

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Speaker 6: good and we had some unfortunate circumstances.

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Speaker 3: But that's part of the league.

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Speaker 6: You got to overcome those circumstances and that's where you

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Speaker 6: have to learn from and grow from to when you

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Speaker 6: get in those situations again, you learn from and like, hey,

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Speaker 6: here's how we have to win now with the circumstances

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Speaker 6: you know that we have. But that's not for me

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Speaker 6: to decide. But what I will say is I love

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Speaker 6: this team. I love this organization, you know, love the city,

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Speaker 6: love the fans.

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Speaker 7: Shoot, that's the you'll shood on go over.

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Speaker 3: Well, we'd have to worry about that. Very long.

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Speaker 8: The Cults announcing after the game last night that both

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Speaker 8: Shane Stikeen and general manager Chris Ballard are going to

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Speaker 8: be sticking around. Good morning and welcome into the fan

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Speaker 8: morning show on a Monday, the entire gang together again.

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Speaker 8: James Boyd making it back from Houston, Texans. From Houston,

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Speaker 8: Texas after watching the Texans last night with the Colts,

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Speaker 8: Mark Dykeen is back from his year and a half

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Speaker 8: sabbatical that he's been on, and Kevin Bowen is always

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Speaker 8: just showing.

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Speaker 3: Up every morning and doing work. How you been, man,

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Speaker 3: I'm good.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, good to see everybody. Mark, welcome back, James. I

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Speaker 9: know he's quite to travel for you and locker room

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Speaker 9: clean out here in a couple hours. So yeah, probably

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Speaker 9: much needed for all these intelligent voices around me here

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Speaker 9: on this Monday morning to thank you.

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Speaker 8: Well, where do we start? We'll just go around the

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Speaker 8: horn and I suppose I'll start with you. James Boyd

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Speaker 8: scale a one to one hundred. How shocked are you

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Speaker 8: that Ballard and Stiken will both be coming back?

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Speaker 9: Zero?

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Speaker 3: The microphone is not working? Mark? Is it turned again?

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Speaker 8: Try the game is running back? Can you give yourself

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Speaker 8: a buzz? Mark, me, I can't it's not working the

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Speaker 10: There we go.

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Speaker 3: Can you give yourself go? So there, Mark, welcome back, appreciate.

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Speaker 7: This, letting you all know this was not my fault.

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Speaker 7: I hit the on button for my mic.

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Speaker 3: Last time I was here, you run Mike five.

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Speaker 9: Now you're on Mike four.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know what the hell is he's graduated.

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Speaker 7: Well, yeah, you ain't been here. It's my last time

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Speaker 7: you were saying. I was last year, very much into

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Speaker 7: last year. Anyways, thank you for listening, sticking with this

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Speaker 7: through ore and still new studio design and all that.

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Speaker 7: But no, I would say it's a scale one one

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Speaker 9: I would agree pretty close to what James said. You know,

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Speaker 9: I feel like it was certainly trending in that direction.

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Speaker 9: There was always kind of an ounce of what will

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Speaker 9: Carly or say Gordon do? That was just you know,

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Speaker 9: I'm reminded here on this black Monday, I guess if

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Speaker 9: this is kind of like the first full day back

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Speaker 9: right everybody's you know whatever, kids are back to school

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Speaker 9: and you know, hey, we got the band back together.

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Speaker 9: Albeit we probably should audio test it out for about

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Speaker 9: five hours before the show starts.

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Speaker 3: At seven am.

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Speaker 9: Uh, but I'm reminded, just and honestly all of us

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Speaker 9: could do this in the jobs that we have. You

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Speaker 9: should strive to find you a boss that creates a

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Speaker 9: leash that is as long as the lease that Chris

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Speaker 9: Bouerd has had with the Rsay family. Listen up, Jeff,

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Speaker 9: and I'm talking like one of those leashes that you

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Speaker 7: Say look when I mess up my mic at seven

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Speaker 7: o two in the morning, I want you to keep

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Speaker 7: that LEAs nice and long.

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Speaker 9: I'm not talking like walk the dog around, you know,

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Speaker 9: block here, And honestly, after parenting Max Bowen for three years,

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Speaker 9: I'm a little bit more open to the leash at

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Speaker 9: the mall idea than I previously thought. It's insane.

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Speaker 9: You know, some organizations strive legacies of winning, and this

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Speaker 9: is an organization that's created a legacy of accepting mediocrity,

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Speaker 9: I found it very fitting on the anniversary of the

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Speaker 9: you decided to say, Hey, the stench of acceptance. It

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Speaker 8: We just put blinders on and we just keep steering

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Speaker 8: road just is endless. It never stops, It never never stops.

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Speaker 8: There's never a destination. I like personally Chris Ballard. I

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Speaker 8: don't really know Shane Stike and all that.

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Speaker 9: Well.

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Speaker 8: I think he's my own outside observation, I think he's

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Speaker 3: I don't I'm not impressed with him as a head coach.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand what they're doing. I just don't understand.

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Speaker 3: It's always something.

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Speaker 8: Well, if it wasn't for the injuries, well, if it

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Speaker 3: We were all fooled by that. There's an excuse every

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Speaker 3: single year it never gets better. They never every single year.

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Speaker 8: How many years now, guys, have they had a change

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Speaker 8: many years in a row, despite whatever, injuries, despite whatever quarterback,

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Speaker 8: And they never seemed to get it done.

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Speaker 3: When's the last time that happened.

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Speaker 7: It's a good question, I honestly think when you look

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Speaker 7: at what you're saying, Jeff and I've been on this

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Speaker 7: stat for a few weeks now. They're nine and seventeen

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Speaker 7: since their last playoff appearance in twenty twenty. They're nine

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Speaker 7: and seventeen in December and January combined since then. So,

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Speaker 7: in other words, they fold on an annual basis in

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Speaker 7: the months where you have to win. And asking that

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Speaker 7: he's very short. You could tell he was irritated by

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Speaker 7: I understand that only thing he could say was just execution.

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Speaker 7: maile A Cox the same thing. Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 7: We're in these games. We were ahead today, we were

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Speaker 7: get it done. Michael Piman Jr. Is talking about his future. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: talk to Carly herself. But what is the plan and

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Speaker 7: how much? Okay, So if you don't want you change

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Speaker 7: Then what will you change to give us a different

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Speaker 7: your new vision or this I don't know, new era

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Speaker 7: that you're in as the principal owner is to run

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Speaker 7: it back with the same quarterback, same regime, and you're

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Speaker 7: lug next year than this year. That's the gist of

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Speaker 7: it right now, and I haven't talked to her. We

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Speaker 7: And I'm not blaming Daniel Jones by any means either,

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Speaker 7: very tough dude had a great season or great half

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Speaker 7: a season, But is the NFL man. You can't get

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Speaker 7: caught up in the well we could have been this well.

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Speaker 7: We say that every year, as Jef said, yeah two

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Speaker 9: Just for those that have not heard out there, Carl

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Speaker 9: arse Gordon, in all seriousness, I will give her which

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Speaker 9: I don't know. Maybe I'm basing it off of what

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Speaker 9: least speaking today. You know, no one from the family

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Speaker 9: spoke last year after the season ended. It was just

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Speaker 9: the letter, which you had a laugh at reading it.

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Speaker 9: So frankly, I would say that for any NFL fan

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Speaker 9: base out there, I think you owe it's to your

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Speaker 9: they spend investing into your franchise. I think every year, frankly,

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Speaker 9: there should be a post mortem from the ownership group.

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Speaker 9: So we will hear from her coming up this after noon. Yeah, Jeff,

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Speaker 9: you mentioned, you know, okay into the season one game away.

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Speaker 9: Did you see how many games they lost the division by?

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Speaker 9: They weren't one game away.

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Speaker 8: I'm talking about making the massive I'm saying three weeks ago,

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Speaker 8: if they were won one more game, there's a really.

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Speaker 3: Good chance to get to the postseason, is my point.

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Speaker 8: Here's one of the biggest fails of all. Consistently, it

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Speaker 8: out because you already know the answer. How many sacks yesterday?

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Speaker 3: They don't get pressure on the quarterback in a league

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Speaker 9: It was a very fitting way to end the year.

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Speaker 7: We were sitting in the press box like, yeah, I

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Speaker 7: And boy did that ever have what's the word like

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Speaker 9: Fih my gosh? Can you imagine what that did for Houston?

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Speaker 9: What that has done now for Indianapolis. The Texans are

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Speaker 8: They do it by losing their final seven games of

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Speaker 3: I say, this still great story Philip Rivers, But is

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Speaker 8: That they didn't win any football games when Philip Rivers

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Speaker 9: Great to see your face, Mark, Congra Bear.

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Speaker 7: I can't see your face from where I see it,

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Speaker 9: Good luck in the playoffs. Thank you, James, I can

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Speaker 9: partially see your glass Bears. Pator's Saturday Primetime? Is that correct?

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Speaker 9: Saturday Night Amazon Prime. I'm a bit surprised by that one.

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Speaker 8: Bring it on, all right, we'll check it down, coming

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Speaker 8: Er say, Gordon gonna meet at two thirty today to

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Speaker 8: oh seven five of the Fan, It's a fan roarning show,

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Speaker 8: Kevin Bowen, James Boyd. I'm jeff Rickard, and I'm looking

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Speaker 3: James boy How could that possibly be?

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Speaker 7: Well, we've known that for weeks. At this point, we're

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Speaker 8: Here we are again is the point, Kevin right where

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Speaker 9: So again it's not Ben Ballard's m O at all.

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Speaker 7: And I think that's the debate that we've had in

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Speaker 8: Check the fan text line of two through nine ten

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Speaker 8: And the fact that Ballard's under contract isn't a good

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Speaker 9: Yeah, again, I would say calling it mediocre would be

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Speaker 9: Yes, and again for me with Ballard, James, we talked

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Speaker 9: a little bit about this last week. I think you

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Speaker 9: could make a case really three layered in being very

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Speaker 9: critical to the point of a firing. One is I

441
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Speaker 9: believe you've labeled it and you know feel free to

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Speaker 9: come over and be Uncle James at any point. The

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Speaker 9: counting resume the zero one two method, right, Yeah, So

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Speaker 9: the zero division titles, the one playoff win, the two

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Speaker 9: playoff appearances, that's the counting part of the resume. You

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Speaker 9: go next on the resume, if right now the Colt's

447
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Speaker 9: got a third round pick for Anthony Richardson in the

448
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Speaker 9: trade market this offseason, you would consider that a win,

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Speaker 9: would you not? Absolutely? Okay, so let's just call it

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Speaker 9: that hypothetical. So that means you spent the fourth overall

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Speaker 9: pick in the draft and the return on investment was

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Speaker 9: a third rounder you got three years later. Obviously that

453
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Speaker 9: would be labeled a bust. I would consider that to

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Speaker 9: be a failure on the resume. And then the last part,

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Speaker 9: which is probably more of the in the Ballard binder.

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Speaker 9: When he presented the binder to you in January twenty

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Speaker 9: seventeen as a GM, it was, you know, hey, we're

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Speaker 9: defensive line driven franchise and we're going to invest endlessly

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Speaker 9: into this. You know, blah blah blah. You know a

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Speaker 9: bunch of first round picks and second round picks and

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Speaker 9: third round picks and all this money and Jeff, to

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Speaker 9: your point that you brought up earlier, I thought yesterday

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Speaker 9: was very fitting that that was your defensive line effort

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Speaker 9: to end the seven game losing streak zero sacks, two

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Speaker 9: hits against the Texans offensive line that always has issues,

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Speaker 9: and yesterday I had several guys that were in and

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Speaker 9: out of the lineup as they opted to wrest guys

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Speaker 9: throughout that game.

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Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 9: That to me, considering it's his I think it's fair

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Speaker 9: to say that is his biggest priority. And again, if that,

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Speaker 9: if I'm carl Ersa Gordon, the evaluation process, you would

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Speaker 9: think and JEFFI you Canbriyce speak those better than anyone. Okay,

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Speaker 9: you are the boss. Okay, let's say whatever you hire

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Speaker 9: Mark Dychdon and Mark comes to you and says, you know,

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Speaker 9: I'm gonna be whatever the best re entry guy. I'm

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Speaker 9: gonna book all these elite guests, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 9: And he comes to you and he doesn't produce any

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Speaker 9: of that. After nine years today that ends And why

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Speaker 9: I wasn't gonna say that, but I'm glad that you

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Speaker 9: chimed in on.

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Speaker 3: I will say this.

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Speaker 9: Scott Dolson, by the way, iuad coming up at nine o'clock.

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Speaker 3: Ye uh, thank you talking about big guests. I love that.

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Speaker 9: So that to me is a wait, wait a minute.

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Speaker 9: You told me for being a Bears fan when I

487
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Speaker 9: hired you, you were going to do this, and now

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Speaker 9: here we are nine years later. You've invested in it

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Speaker 9: like no other. You've put all these resources into it,

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Speaker 9: and yet the return on that is what. So again

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Speaker 9: for me, with Ballard, it's three layered. It's the County

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Speaker 9: resume zero one two. You can go there. You can

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Speaker 9: go with Richardson being an absolute bust, assuming he has

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Speaker 9: moved for a third round pick if you want to

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Speaker 9: play out that hypothetical. And then lastly, all sense of line,

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Speaker 9: just real quick, he's not worth a third round.

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Speaker 3: I was going to say, who's giving a me?

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Speaker 9: I'm just trying to throw out a hypothetical to give one.

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Speaker 10: I know.

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Speaker 7: I just want to save you from the inevitable person

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Speaker 7: who's driving a roll in their eyes like Kevin is

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Speaker 7: off his rocker this morning. So I just want to

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Speaker 7: help you out.

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Speaker 5: Brother.

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Speaker 8: Thank you appreciating Here's what from justin. Good morning, James, KB, Jeff,

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Speaker 8: Thank you guys for your coverage of the team.

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Speaker 3: All season.

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Speaker 8: This is very frustrating and very difficult to understand that

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Speaker 8: whatever excuse comes up over the week about the cult

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Speaker 8: should be accepted. Any injuries cannot be the excuse. It's

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Speaker 8: part of the game. The motivation is to overcome. The

512
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Speaker 8: standard is winning, but we keep rewarding losing, falling apart

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Speaker 8: losing seven games straight. In any other field, if that

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Speaker 8: happened in America, no one would retain their job. It

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Speaker 8: only shows how little fans are thought about in Indianapolis

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Speaker 8: as a concerns the Colts.

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Speaker 3: So disappointing. Thank you, Carly says justin Yeah, I.

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Speaker 9: Think there's a lot of truth there. You know, if

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Speaker 9: whatever you know, take your little job and if you

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Speaker 9: don't meet you know, quota for a quarter whatever for

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Speaker 9: nine straight years, you probably aren'tetting the tenth. I'd also

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Speaker 9: say this if you want to make injuries an excuse,

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Speaker 9: and look, there's context every NFL season. Do I think

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Speaker 9: it needs to be mentioned?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 9: Do I think it needs to be the defining element

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Speaker 9: of this twenty twenty five season. No, I believe I

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Speaker 9: counted yesterday you had six games one by third string

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Speaker 9: quarterbacks this season in the NFL. Six you had several

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Speaker 9: of those wins coming against playoff teams or playoff team

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Speaker 9: or teams in the playoff mix when those games occurred.

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Speaker 9: So just because you get to that point as a

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Speaker 9: franchise doesn't mean all of a sudden, you know there's

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Speaker 9: no chance in hell that you're getting that win. But

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Speaker 9: my thought would be this, if you want to make

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Speaker 9: injuries out of as an excuse, you've got eight years

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Speaker 9: of other evidence.

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Speaker 3: Does that not matter?

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Speaker 9: It's the old debate we've hadden now for several weeks.

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Speaker 9: Is this a nine year resume or a one year resume?

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Speaker 9: And again, if the one year is what you're really, really,

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Speaker 9: really really evaluating, okay, whatever, ty goes to the runner.

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Speaker 9: I guess let's go to the other eight years. All right,

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Speaker 9: show me the other eight years. Oh wait, that's what

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Speaker 9: it looks like. Okay, No, I can't sign off on that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how much of it is?

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Speaker 10: Carl?

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Speaker 8: Rissa Gordon looks at the trade in which you give

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Speaker 8: away two first round draft picks, and the injury to

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Speaker 8: Sauce Card and the injury to Daniel Jones and all

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Speaker 8: the other injuries that added up, and she says to herself,

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Speaker 8: you know, I really felt like we were headed somewhere

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Speaker 8: until this all happened. If we bring somebody else in,

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Speaker 8: they're still going to be hamstrung. To your point, James,

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Speaker 8: about not having those two first round picks, and they're

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Speaker 8: gonna have to be trying to build up around what

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Speaker 8: is left here. What if at the end of the

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Speaker 8: day she just decided, you know what, it's a mess.

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Speaker 8: It's going to be a mess for anybody. I'm going

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Speaker 8: to give you guys one year to clean up this mess.

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Speaker 8: Maybe you go back to the old Remember when Jim

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Speaker 8: Mersey told Chuck Pagano and Ryan Griggson that they were

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Speaker 8: tied at the hip. Is there something like that in

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Speaker 8: the offing now where Carly Orsa Gordon looks at both

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Speaker 8: these guys and says, all right, you got three hundred

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Speaker 8: and sixty five days get it done, or you're both

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Speaker 8: tied to the hip and you're both gone.

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Speaker 3: Kevin, is that what we're looking at.

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Speaker 7: That'll be a question to ask later today. Don't know

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Speaker 7: if we'll get an answer with that, But personally, it's

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Speaker 7: hard to look at it as one year and to

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Speaker 7: say we'll give you one year. It's one more year,

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Speaker 7: not one year. It's one more year and at this point,

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Speaker 7: what do you have to show for it. I get

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Speaker 7: that Shane is easier to justify and bringing back, but

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Speaker 7: if you had opened the door to moving on from

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Speaker 7: him because you moved on Chris Ballard, I would welcome

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Speaker 7: that as well, because the results just haven't been there

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Speaker 7: for this team. And what I wrote yesterday and publish

580
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Speaker 7: right after the game ended was you can't let your

581
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Speaker 7: fear of being really bad if you move on from

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Speaker 7: Chris Ballard and the next guy isn't all that good

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Speaker 7: or next woman isn't all that good if you want

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Speaker 7: to go to that route either, whoever you choose, because

585
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Speaker 7: you're convinced that your mediocrity will certainly have an uptick

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Speaker 7: and you'll be really good with this regime. You've had

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Speaker 7: ample sample size to see what this team is about,

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Speaker 7: and they fold. So beyond the injuries, I think it's

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Speaker 7: also like a psychological thing because stand in that locker

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Speaker 7: room yesterday and realizing that those players blew another game,

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Speaker 7: blew another lead, blew ry Leonard's first NFL win because

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Speaker 7: they couldn't get a stop against Davis Mills. And I

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Speaker 7: get Davis Mills went three and oh earlier this year,

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Speaker 7: they very good backup, but like, could you do something

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Speaker 7: to at least change the narrative what we've seen all year?

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Speaker 7: That was truly a movie we've seen over and over again, not.

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Speaker 9: Just this year.

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Speaker 7: That was the question I kept asking to Kevin in

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Speaker 7: the locker room. Kevin, what happened to collapse not only

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Speaker 7: this year but repeatedly year after year? And that, to

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Speaker 7: me is a bigger problem than we got hurt and

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Speaker 7: we lost our last seven games.

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Speaker 8: Joe h writes in on the text line, first year

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Speaker 8: season ticket holder, appreciate you guys, love the show.

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Speaker 3: Please grill Carly in the press conference. Don't let her

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Speaker 3: off easy.

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Speaker 8: I was hopeful she'd pave her own way, but instead

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Speaker 8: she's just like her father, soft, no toughness, no care

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Speaker 8: to win, have no motivation to renew. As it seems

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Speaker 8: us fans care way more about winning than ersa Ballard

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Speaker 8: and Stike and do. And I read Joe's text because

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Speaker 8: it's an indicative of a lot of the texts that

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Speaker 8: we're getting today.

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Speaker 9: Kevin, Yeah, that is certainly true. I mean, did the

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Speaker 9: fan poll last week. I think that was quite evident

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Speaker 9: of what fans wanted from a change standpoint, you know,

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Speaker 9: on the Shane Steike in front. You know, I've tried

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Speaker 9: to kind of evaluate each of them individually. One thing

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Speaker 9: I've really struggled with with Shane is, you know, offensively,

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Speaker 9: I do think there's a lot of good that he

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Speaker 9: does offer. But seven and twenty two against teams above

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Speaker 9: five hundred seven and twenty two against teams above five

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Speaker 9: hundred and again we've talked about this one the Texans

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Speaker 9: and the Jags too, and ten against those two teams.

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Speaker 9: That includes quite the meaningless win last year in overtime

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Speaker 9: over the Jags in Week eighteen. Win that game had

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Speaker 9: no bearings. So yeah, two inten is horrendous.

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Speaker 4: I don't care who you are, but if you're that

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Speaker 4: and you're against your division opponents like.

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Speaker 9: Horrific, it's absolutely awful horrific. And you know, just to

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Speaker 9: further at Mark a little bit here, I think we've

632
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Speaker 9: touched on this. You know, this is now what Jacksonville

633
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Speaker 9: wins the division yesterday. So you have had since Baller

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Speaker 9: got hired in twenty seventeen, you have had every team

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Speaker 9: in this division win it at least two times. And

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Speaker 9: if you look at the general managers that have won

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Speaker 9: the division since Chris Baward has hired in twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 9: You've got six of them. Tennessee with John Robinson. Houston

639
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Speaker 9: has had two different general managers, so I guess you

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Speaker 9: could call it. They had two rebuilds and got to

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Speaker 9: the top of the mountain in the AFC South. And

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Speaker 9: Jacksonville just won the division with a third general manager

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Speaker 9: since Ballard was hired. So you've had six gms in

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Speaker 9: nine years. When this is spread across three teams. This

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Speaker 9: has not been Kansas City in the West or whatever

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Speaker 9: Buffalo in the East or something along those lines.

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Speaker 7: This is a division what AFC East with Patrick I'm sorry,

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Speaker 7: Tom Brady.

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Speaker 9: Sure, this has been a division that has spread the wealth,

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Speaker 9: and the Colts are the only ones begging for that.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 4: Routinely labeled as the worst division in football, and your

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Speaker 4: head coaches two and ten against two of the three

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Speaker 4: arrivals in it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jeff with a G.

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Speaker 8: Rightes in, gentlemen, thanks for waking up every morning and

657
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Speaker 8: banging your head against the wall, just like the rest

658
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Speaker 8: of the fan base set at the beginning of the year.

659
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Speaker 8: I was done if Ballard was in charge, and my

660
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 8: blood pressure has been so much better this year. They're

661
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Speaker 8: gonna give Jones a contract he doesn't deserve it. Only

662
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Speaker 8: two of their eight wins were against teams with a

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Speaker 8: winning record. To your point, Kevin Bowen, they don't beat

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Speaker 8: good football teams. And I think one of the most

665
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Speaker 8: damning things of all that we haven't even talked about

666
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Speaker 8: is the horrific record they've put up against Houston and

667
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Speaker 8: Jacksonville in the division since since Shane Stiken took over.

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Speaker 3: They're not good in the division.

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Speaker 7: Kevin's been He's been hammered though. That's the only reason.

670
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Speaker 7: I'm pretty I know what I will I will give you.

671
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Speaker 7: I will say my sources on I have been using

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Speaker 7: that the last couple of days. I didn't realize that

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Speaker 7: until you asked about it last week, Kevin, right after

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Speaker 7: the loss against the Jaguar. So yeah, that is not fitting.

675
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Speaker 7: So I can't take credit for that. But I also

676
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Speaker 7: don't want to take credit for the fact that they're

677
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Speaker 7: two in ten either, because that ain't my record.

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Speaker 9: James, I know you got to run here in a

679
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Speaker 9: few One question that I threw to Joel a ericson

680
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Speaker 9: last week when he joined the show, and I've struggled

681
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Speaker 9: with in regards to the Ursa family in the operation

682
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Speaker 9: of their football team. But I get asked it a lot,

683
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Speaker 9: and I've been asked it a lot since May, frankly,

684
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Speaker 9: and that is and I know some people will laugh

685
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Speaker 9: at this, but it's a question. Again, I get a

686
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Speaker 9: good amount on the NFL scale thirty two teams. Are

687
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Speaker 9: the Colts falling on the poor side of that scale,

688
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Speaker 9: and by that is their hesitancy from Carli Rosa Gordon

689
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Speaker 9: to fire her general manager with one year left in

690
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Speaker 9: his contract. I believe one year left, Yeah, one year

691
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Speaker 9: and fire the head coach with I believe it's three.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he's in the contract through twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 9: Okay, so I guess two more, you know, three more

694
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Speaker 9: twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight. That obviously is a

695
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Speaker 9: big financial commitment to make those moves.

696
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Speaker 10: Now.

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Speaker 9: Again, I hear a lot of people out there saying,

698
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Speaker 9: I don't give two bleeps it you are, you own

699
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Speaker 9: a NFL franchise, don't jump in this.

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Speaker 7: Pool if you don't want to, you know, spend the money, right.

701
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Speaker 9: But it is a question that I get quite a lot,

702
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Speaker 9: and a lot of people then throw in the what

703
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Speaker 9: happened with you and Harton's tax of moving on from

704
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Speaker 9: you know, sadly the passing of jim Mercey to now

705
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Speaker 9: the three daughters. Are you spreading more of it across

706
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Speaker 9: now three instead of one? Et cetera, et cetera, all

707
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Speaker 9: of this. I get that question a lot. And was

708
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Speaker 9: that something that was at play here at all?

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Speaker 8: We'll continue to talk about all of this. We're gonna

710
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Speaker 8: talk to that football.

711
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Speaker 9: I gotta give James' thoughts here before we run, because

712
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Speaker 9: I know he's got to go to Colts Locker. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: real quick.

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Speaker 7: Honestly, I would say that's probably an answer she won't

715
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Speaker 7: or a question she want to answer, But I do

716
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Speaker 7: want to know about it because when you look at

717
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Speaker 7: and this is crazy to say, like the rich owners

718
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Speaker 7: in the NFL, the Ursays are not on that list

719
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Speaker 7: when it comes to those who are bringing in and

720
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Speaker 7: perhaps more of the billions than they have already in

721
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Speaker 7: their family name. So it's certainly a factor, I think,

722
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Speaker 7: but it shouldn't be a huge factor to the point

723
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Speaker 7: where if you're saying you're all about winning, and Carlie

724
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Speaker 7: Ersay Gordon said, I'm here for us to be the best,

725
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Speaker 7: that is our goal, then you can't let those types

726
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Speaker 7: of things hold you back because I don't believe necessarily

727
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Speaker 7: that you can be the best. But also being extremely

728
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Speaker 7: frugal any professional sports league, it's not reality. I mean,

729
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Speaker 7: even if we want to give it like the Indiana

730
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Speaker 7: Land Spin. You look at the Hoosiers, they're very good

731
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Speaker 7: because of Kurz Signetti. They're going to be very good

732
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Speaker 7: going forward because they put a bunch of money into

733
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Speaker 7: Kurz Signetti and his regime and changing things there. So

734
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Speaker 7: if that is a legitimate factor, which again I don't

735
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Speaker 7: think we'll ever get to the bottom of that when

736
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Speaker 7: it comes to finances, but if that is a determining

737
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Speaker 7: factor and whether you keep somebody who's been mediocre or not,

738
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Speaker 7: that to me is an indictment on maybe this franchise

739
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Speaker 7: really isn't going to get any better.

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Speaker 9: And just a little bit here from a financial standpoint,

741
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Speaker 9: just to throw numbers out there, Yeah, you know, if

742
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Speaker 9: we're talking three more years for Stiking, let's throw out

743
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Speaker 9: eighteen million yo him. If we're talking you know, another

744
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Speaker 9: year of ballad, you know, buying them out whatever, let's

745
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Speaker 9: say north of five million, So you start adding that up,

746
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Speaker 9: it's north of twenty million to pay guys that you

747
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Speaker 9: are no longer going to obviously employ, plus all the

748
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Speaker 9: money you then have to pay new e coach you

749
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Speaker 9: offense coordinating.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean you could be the writers they fire

751
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Speaker 7: somewhere every year and they probably owe a ton of

752
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Speaker 7: money because of that.

753
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Speaker 9: And I can hear people saying I don't give two beliefs.

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Speaker 3: This is the freaking as a fan. But again, that.

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Speaker 9: Question to me is one that I get a good amount.

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Speaker 8: I will also point out that as Reds fans, Kevin

757
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Speaker 8: and I have no idea what you're talking about with

758
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Speaker 8: frugal teams not winning.

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Speaker 3: What does he mean by that, Kevin? Do we know

760
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Speaker 3: anything about that?

761
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Speaker 9: Never never heard of it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, James, thanks for being here for the hour. Appreciate it.

763
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Speaker 8: I know you got to get off and do some

764
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Speaker 8: work care, but yeah, we'll checking with you, Kevin.

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Speaker 7: I'll take one for the team and I'll ask Kevin

766
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Speaker 7: or I'll Shane about his seven and twenty two records

767
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Speaker 7: winning teams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, James. Just come back safely, Okay, keep my

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Speaker 3: seat warm.

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Speaker 8: We'll continue to take your feedback, and we've got to

771
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Speaker 8: Indiana Football to talk about it. Scottdulson coming your way

772
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Speaker 8: at the top of the nine o'clock hour right here

773
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Speaker 8: at ninety three five and seven to five to fan

774
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Speaker 8: Kevin Bone with all the angst and upset we're displaying

775
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 8: over the Indianapolis Colts, their failure to reach the playoffs again,

776
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 8: decision to bring everything back and run it back one

777
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Speaker 8: more time, and we'll talk about that all day long.

778
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Speaker 8: Let's let a little sunshine into the studio, shall we

779
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 8: a little sunshine into the live of sports fans here?

780
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 8: As Indiana University is fourteen and zero on the football

781
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Speaker 8: field right now. They got a big win in conference

782
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 8: in basketball yesterday. They are cleaning up in the portal

783
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Speaker 8: right now. All things good coming out of Bloomington right now.

784
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Speaker 8: And that's why we thought we'd check in with Scott Dolson,

785
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Speaker 8: the athletic director for the Hoosiers, this morning, and he

786
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Speaker 8: joined us on the pay Less Lookers hotline right now.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Scott, things are going okay in your neck

788
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Speaker 3: of the woods. How much fun are you having right now?

789
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Speaker 5: Well, good morning, and thanks for having me on.

790
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 10: And yeah, it's been it's been great. Obviously, you know,

791
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Speaker 10: a lot more work to do in a lot of

792
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 10: stuff going on on just today that keeps us busy,

793
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Speaker 10: but it's been awesome.

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Speaker 1: It can be better.

795
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Speaker 5: Fans have been incredible.

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Speaker 9: Scott, congrats and most importantly for us, thank you for

797
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 9: the time. I know you're a super, super busy individual,

798
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Speaker 9: no problem at all. We really appreciate you hopping on. Obviously,

799
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Speaker 9: we talked with you after the Oregon game, and now

800
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Speaker 9: we talk with you before the Oregon game. But let's

801
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 9: go back to the Rose Bull. You mentioned the IU fans.

802
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 9: It certainly felt like Memorial Stadium West out there on TV.

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Speaker 9: When you look back on everything that transpired on New

804
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 9: Year's Day, what will be maybe your lasting memory of

805
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Speaker 9: witnessing that game and that experience in such an iconic venue.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it'll really be two things.

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Speaker 10: It'll definitely be the bus ride into the game, believe

808
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Speaker 10: it or not. You know, I'll never forget coming in.

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Speaker 10: There are five buses, the team busses.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's a big, kind kind of escorted deal

811
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Speaker 5: you come in.

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Speaker 10: And so I was on bus five and as we

813
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Speaker 10: pull in, as we're getting close to the stadium, literally

814
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Speaker 10: IU fans are lined on both.

815
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Speaker 5: Sides of the street.

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Speaker 10: And I'm not just talking about just single line, but

817
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 10: just deep and just fans run up to the street,

818
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Speaker 10: just cheering, going crazy. And then as we pulled up

819
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Speaker 10: to a stop, there were just Ius fans everywhere and

820
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Speaker 10: Who's your Nation was just so it was it was crazy.

821
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Speaker 5: They were just screaming and yelling, and and as we

822
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Speaker 5: got off the bus, it was it was just a

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Speaker 5: scene that I just will never forget.

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Speaker 10: And actually I talked to one of our assistant coaches

825
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Speaker 10: yesterday and he said the same thing. It really gave

826
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Speaker 10: us momentum going into the game, just that that feel

827
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Speaker 10: of the fans, and so that was I'll never forget that.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I've been around for a long time, but

829
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Speaker 5: just seeing just our all of.

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Speaker 10: Our fans, the passion, the support, the energy was unbelievable

831
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Speaker 10: really and just I can't even adequately describe it.

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Speaker 5: And then during the fourth quarter, I.

833
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Speaker 10: Was down on the sideline and just looking up at

834
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Speaker 10: the stands and you know, they played John Mellencamp hurt

835
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Speaker 10: so good and the whole crowd was just singing it.

836
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Speaker 10: And that just the joy and the and the emotion

837
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Speaker 10: out of our fans.

838
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Speaker 5: Was we took over that stadium.

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Speaker 10: I mean there had to be we were guessing maybe

840
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 10: sixty thousand IU fans in the stands.

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Speaker 5: And I don't mean to ramble on it, but I

842
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 5: just tell you I cannot take our fans enough.

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Speaker 10: I mean, it costs a lot of money, you know,

844
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Speaker 10: a lot of sacrifices that are made to support us,

845
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Speaker 10: and to be out there and show that type of

846
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Speaker 10: support was it was emotional.

847
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Speaker 5: It was unbelievable.

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Speaker 8: It's been an emotional time for anybody connected to Indiana.

849
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Speaker 8: Indiana football fans of the of the program, new fans

850
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 8: for the program, you name it.

851
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Speaker 3: Here's the question. I keep thinking.

852
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Speaker 8: Though you've hired and had to fire coaches over the years,

853
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 8: we see it happen at programs every year, all the time. Honestly,

854
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 8: when you deep down think about it, what was the

855
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 8: moment you said to yourself, kurtz Agnatty, this guy's different.

856
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 8: There's something different happening here. It's not a hope that

857
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 8: I hope he's different. When did you know this guy's different.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think there's just a couple of moments, honestly.

859
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Speaker 10: I mean, I I've talked about this before the first

860
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Speaker 10: I'm talked to him.

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Speaker 5: On the phone. You know, we've done our homework, we had,

862
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Speaker 5: you know, a whole plan put together, and he checked

863
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Speaker 5: on the boxes.

864
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Speaker 10: But just talking to him on the phone, I do

865
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Speaker 10: remember hanging up and calling our president, President went and

866
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Speaker 10: who's been amazing, and just saying, Hey, this guy is different.

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Speaker 10: I just had a feeling. I just really liked him

868
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Speaker 10: and liked the just the authenticity about him. And so

869
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Speaker 10: I definitely remember at that point and then when this

870
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Speaker 10: is is really interesting, but when we picked him up

871
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Speaker 10: at the airport, so when we named him coach or

872
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Speaker 10: everybody is going to be coached, and the press conference

873
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 10: on that Friday. I flew out early that morning from

874
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 10: Bloomington to Virginia to pick him up and his wife, Minett,

875
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 10: and a few other staff members. And when we got

876
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 10: on the plane, right away, he had this list and

877
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 10: he was saying, hey, you know, we need to get

878
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 10: a list of when all the current coaches are on

879
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 10: the staff right now, to rank up players one through fifty,

880
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 10: our returning players one through fifty, and then I need

881
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 10: somebody to take all the rankings and tabulate them together

882
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 10: and get an average, so I know who what the

883
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 10: average rank is and all the returning players. And I

884
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 10: remember sitting there he's going through this list. It was

885
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 10: really calm. But you had this plan and weren't thinking

886
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 10: how smart that was, and just how he absolutely you know,

887
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 10: you say you want to hit the ground running. He

888
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 10: had a plan for everything. And I remember thinking on

889
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 10: the plane coming back to Bloomington to get off to

890
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 10: start that day, the famous day that ended with him

891
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 10: on the basketball court, you know, when we introduced him

892
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 10: to the fans. But just the plan, I thought, wow,

893
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 10: because I've been around a long time and seen a

894
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 10: lot of transition, he just had everything lined up in

895
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 10: a way that was just super smart.

896
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 5: And then I'll say one last thing.

897
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 10: I mean the Ramblott But when we played at UCLA

898
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 10: last year and again big game for us, kind of

899
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 10: his first big game, and I remember doing the game

900
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 10: was back and forth a little bit, and then we

901
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 10: just kind of took over it towards the end and

902
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 10: made some plays, and I remember distinctly thinking in my mind,

903
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 10: it's different. I mean, just the way we handled our business,

904
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 10: the way we kind of finished that game. So those

905
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 10: are three things that I bring up is where I

906
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 10: really felt like this was different.

907
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 9: So the voice of the athletic director of the number

908
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 9: one team in the land. That would be college football,

909
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 9: the semi final coming up in the Peach Bowl on

910
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 9: Friday night, Scott Dolson with us here on the Payless

911
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 9: Slickers hotline. As you started, you know, going back to

912
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 9: that day one, if you will, of the Signetti era, Scott,

913
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 9: and you bring up obviously the infamous, you know, scene

914
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 9: on the basketball floor. It almost seemed like that was

915
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 9: maybe not something on Signette's list when he hopped on

916
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 9: that plane, Like you know, over the course of the day,

917
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 9: I think he shared the story. He kind of got

918
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 9: a little wind of like, oh boy, I need to

919
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 9: come in here. And you know, I've compared it to

920
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 9: Will Smith and Hitch. I don't know if that lands

921
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 9: totally well, but you know, I need to make sure

922
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 9: that people realize I am a new voice here. I

923
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 9: guess what were your reactions when he did take the

924
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 9: mic and he did go a little WWE on the

925
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 9: entire fan base and really probably the entire college football nation.

926
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 10: You know, honestly, I liked it. I mean I liked

927
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 10: the fact that he was just just putting it out

928
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 10: there that it's a new day. And I remember him saying,

929
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 10: you know, specifically, you know, I've never taking a back

930
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 10: seat to anyone else plan I started doing it now,

931
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 10: and you know, he it was just a pure emotion

932
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 10: that that was coming out by him. And I tell

933
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 10: people this all the time about him, which people kind

934
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 10: of wrote a project.

935
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 5: I think I'm just saying it. He's really a humble guy.

936
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 5: He's got no ego. He doesn't and people will be like, oh,

937
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 5: you know, I see how he is. He's cocky, He's not.

938
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 5: He believes he knows how to win, for sure. He's actually,

939
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 5: you know, he's showing it.

940
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 10: He basically he said this during his interview, and everything

941
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 10: he said during his interview, he's really been absolutely one.

942
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 5: Hundred percent then on and how he is and what

943
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 5: he does.

944
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 10: He just loved his family and loves to coach football,

945
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 10: and he believes he knows how to win.

946
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 5: And he's just very very authentic.

947
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 10: But in terms of like me, just even his athletic

948
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 10: director dealt with a lot of coaches and I've never

949
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 10: dealt with anyone any any better.

950
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 5: I mean, he's just great to work with.

951
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 10: He's very uh, like I said, he's kind of it's

952
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 10: just a simple person to be honest with you. But

953
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 10: but I think that back to the on the court

954
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 10: when he was saying that he did feel like this

955
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 10: kind of Hey, I've got to wake people up here?

956
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 5: Do they really want to? I think they had frustrated

957
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 5: him that it felt like people.

958
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 10: Were saying to him, Wow, you know, good luck, you

959
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 10: know you took that job, and it kind of made

960
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 10: him mad.

961
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 5: And that's when he said to google me, I win.

962
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 5: It was the same thing. He's in the press conference

963
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 5: and people just kept saying, how in the world are

964
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 5: you going to Indiana? What are you going to do?

965
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 10: And he says, I got the same question, you know,

966
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 10: six times, and finally it's like, just it just frustrated.

967
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 5: I mean, of course we can win here.

968
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 10: And so it's great that he was able to convey

969
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 10: that and get people's attention that way.

970
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 9: Scott at almost every step of the way, whether it's

971
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 9: the podium of the Rose Bowl, Big Ten title, et cetera,

972
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 9: et cetera. When Kurtz and he's asked about, you know,

973
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 9: whatever value football program, he mentions you. He mentioned Pam

974
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 9: Witten and and the vision and if we can talk

975
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 9: about Pam Whitten for a second here, when you first

976
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 9: met with her, how quickly you know kennessall State I

977
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 9: don't think people necessarily view that maybe in whatever, you know,

978
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 9: mega college football landscape. How quickly did you realize that

979
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 9: from a president point of view, as the landscape of

980
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 9: college football was just starting to change the very early stages,

981
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 9: did you realize from her that it was going to

982
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 9: be a major investment for you guys as a university.

983
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was.

984
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 10: It was, you know, honestly during that really early in

985
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 10: that first conversation with her, and it was just so

986
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 10: impressive because she, you know, obviously there's there's she's got

987
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 10: a massive job, and there's so many things that are

988
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 10: that are that are in so many ways more important

989
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 10: than athletics. At the same time, she she gets it

990
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 10: and she understands what athletics can do for the overall university,

991
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 10: the community. And so right away during that first conversation,

992
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 10: she said, you know, we're going to be everything we do,

993
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 10: We're going to we're going to try to be excellent

994
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 10: and go to the highest levels and that includesootball. And

995
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 10: you know, we just started a conversation about what that

996
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 10: look like, what can we do and she asked me

997
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 10: to put together their plan to really your football to

998
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 10: a to a consistent level and without that, you know,

999
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 10: I've said this a lot, and I appreciate you bringing

1000
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 10: that up because you know, and she's doing so many

1001
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 10: things around the campus and all of our campuses and

1002
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 10: really just transformational things for the university. But without that

1003
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 10: and her really saying to me, hey, I support that,

1004
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 10: let's figure this out U. You know, coach said, wouldn't

1005
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 10: be here, we wouldn't be having this conversation. So it

1006
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 10: does really start with her and her vision, and she

1007
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 10: just understands, particularly during where we are with college athletics

1008
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 10: and with conferentory alignment and all the things going on,

1009
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 10: it was important that, you know, football is the foundation

1010
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 10: of the Big Ten. It's it's you know, it doesn't

1011
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 10: mean that we don't care about the other programs, but

1012
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 10: you have to be strong in football to be a

1013
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 10: valued member of the Big Ten. So that was super

1014
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 10: important way. So yeah, I just can't thank her enough

1015
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 10: for her support, we would not be here today, Scott.

1016
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 8: Let's move to the here and now obviously getting ready

1017
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 8: for a semi final game against Oregon on Friday night.

1018
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 8: We've talked about a lot that a lot obviously, but

1019
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 8: now the transfer portal window has opened and we want

1020
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 8: to talk about building the foundation. It's one thing to

1021
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 8: have a one or two year run where you win

1022
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 8: a lot of football games, but all of a sudden,

1023
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 8: this transfer portal is opening and Indiana's getting players that

1024
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 8: used to just go to Alabama, Georgia, Ohio, State, Michigan.

1025
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 3: Talk to me about the foundation that's.

1026
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 8: Being laid here for this football program right now, that

1027
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 8: it's not just a flash in the pan, that this

1028
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 8: has got momentum that will carry forward.

1029
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,399
Speaker 3: How do you feel about that and where's that coming from?

1030
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I really.

1031
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 10: Think it's back to kind of when coaching got here,

1032
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 10: and he's real process oriented on process oriented, and I

1033
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,720
Speaker 10: think we've got the foundation of a place for sustaining success.

1034
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 10: And it doesn't mean we think with the smalls people

1035
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 10: in the room, or we're just being complacent because we've

1036
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 10: got this figured out. I think it's just a lot

1037
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 10: of hard work and really sticking to our plan. And

1038
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 10: the reality is that results are the results, right, And

1039
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 10: I think that as recruits see players develop, as recruits

1040
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 10: see the success on the field, you know, when you win,

1041
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 10: kind of everybody wins, and I think that is really

1042
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 10: you feel that momentum building.

1043
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 5: And it's easy to see it, it's hard to attain it.

1044
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 10: But we're absolutely paranoid about not losing that and to

1045
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 10: continue to absolutely work and just try to figure out

1046
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 10: what's next and looking around the corner and and again

1047
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 10: not we think more about what we need to do

1048
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 10: than about what we've done. And it's all sounds sort

1049
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 10: of cliche is and I don't mean for that to

1050
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 10: sound that way, but you know, it's just it's just

1051
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 10: a lot of work that it really has gone into.

1052
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 10: So when you look when you see the portal results,

1053
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 10: you know, that's really just a continuation of what Coach

1054
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 10: Sig brought here in terms of this is this is

1055
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 10: how we run the program, this is what.

1056
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 5: We do, This is how we develop young people. And

1057
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 5: we still believe it or not. You know, I had

1058
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 5: meetings on Saturday.

1059
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 10: With recruits, with football recruits we are here or on

1060
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 10: their visits, and you know, I talk a ton about.

1061
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 5: The whole picture.

1062
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 10: We talk about academics, we talk about what we do

1063
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 10: for the whole person. All those things still matter. And

1064
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 10: I met with one of the parents who was really

1065
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 10: just relieved that, you know, we don't want this to

1066
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 10: be transactional. It's not an auction. We're just bringing players

1067
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 10: in and trying to If it's a fitting war.

1068
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 5: Then that's not you know what we're really interested in.

1069
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 10: We want young men that want to be a part

1070
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 10: of a program to be developed and to have a

1071
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 10: transformational experience.

1072
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 5: And that's what it's really all about here.

1073
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 9: And that's a voice of Scott Nelson, the IU athletic director,

1074
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 9: gracious with this time here as things will shift to

1075
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 9: what I assume will be Memorial Stadium South, I remember

1076
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 9: being the Georgia Dome back in twenty twelve at that

1077
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 9: Sweet sixteen game. There will be a lot of cream

1078
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 9: and Crimson in Lanta coming up on Friday. But Scott,

1079
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 9: last one from me, and I apologize if it's kind

1080
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 9: of a lazy question given your background, But Don Fischer

1081
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 9: was on our airwaves a couple of weeks back and

1082
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 9: he mentioned that, you know, when he gets ready to

1083
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 9: call an AYU football game, he has the feeling right

1084
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 9: now of what he had for so many years calling

1085
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 9: Bob Knight basketball games, of we are going to win,

1086
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 9: like as simple as that. So I ask you, as

1087
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Speaker 9: you know a former manager, of course of coach Night,

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Speaker 9: do you see any similarities between him and Kurt Signetti Anodalie.

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Speaker 5: It's a great question, and I think Fish was exactly right,

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Speaker 5: and I definitely do. I definitely do.

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Speaker 10: And one way I would describe it when I was

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Speaker 10: I was a manager from eighty five to eighty eight into.

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Speaker 5: One of my best friends is Brian Swallow who's on

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Speaker 5: the team.

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Speaker 10: And I remember Brian and I talking at one point

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Speaker 10: and Brian said that in the locker room and this

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Speaker 10: is that's reminiscent thing about the days, and he said

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Speaker 10: there was never a game ever, it didn't matter who

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Speaker 10: was on the other team and how good they were,

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Speaker 10: where the other team ranked. He said, there was never

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Speaker 10: ever a game that we didn't feel like we were

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Speaker 10: going to win.

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Speaker 5: We just need to execute the plan. And he always

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Speaker 5: felt like we were going to win.

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Speaker 10: And so I compare that feeling to where we are

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Speaker 10: right now. There's a confidence and I feel it with

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Speaker 10: our players, and I've felt it really.

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Speaker 5: Since they got here.

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Speaker 10: It's just amazing that I think they just trust the process,

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Speaker 10: they trust the game plan and that whole you know, hey,

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Speaker 10: we're not playing or again, we're playing ourselves.

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Speaker 5: We're playing our game plan.

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Speaker 10: It's an execution challenge. We needed to execute better than

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Speaker 10: they execute. And that's really what I grew up with

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Speaker 10: and what kind of coach Knight, how he managed basketball,

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Speaker 10: and so it's a great comparison. There's certainly different sports,

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Speaker 10: but at the same time, I think, you know, great

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Speaker 10: coaching and great preparation is the same regards to what

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Speaker 10: you're playing.

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Speaker 5: And so I think that's a great comparison.

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Speaker 10: And I think about that a lot, and I think

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Speaker 10: about it with all of our programs and how to

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Speaker 10: develop a winning mentality and winning program not just a

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Speaker 10: one hit one.

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Speaker 8: Der with talent that maybe get together for one year, Scott,

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Speaker 8: last thing for me and then then we'll let you go.

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Speaker 3: And you have been gracious with your time. We appreciate that.

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Speaker 8: What's your early report card so far in coach Devrees

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Speaker 8: and how basketball is going.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's been great. You know, he's been a great fit.

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Speaker 5: And that's what we really were looking for. It's really twofold.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 10: The basketball is obviously super important in establishing our culture

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Speaker 10: and making certain that what we wanted with the coach

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Speaker 10: when we hired Darren is really someone who kind of

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Speaker 10: modernized our program, modernized the modern offense, the kids want

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Speaker 10: to play with kind of an old school defensive mentality,

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Speaker 10: play hard character in the locker, a lot of a

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Speaker 10: lot of those qualities.

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Speaker 5: At the same time, Darin is really fit in just

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Speaker 5: in terms of our community, just around the department. He's

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Speaker 5: been a great fit.

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Speaker 10: So I feel like we're building momentum there and again

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Speaker 10: just like for football, and we want to establish a

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Speaker 10: real foundation for the program, keep building on every year

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Speaker 10: and really confident and the way that's going. And I

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Speaker 10: love working with Darren, and again he's just been a

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Speaker 10: great fit for us.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much.

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Speaker 8: Scott Dawson, Athletic Director, Indiana University. Great to talk to

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Speaker 8: you this morning.

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Speaker 3: Have fun in Atlanta on Friday night. We'll be there

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Speaker 3: with you in spirit.

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 10: And I'll say again just thanks so much for who's

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Speaker 10: your nation for their support, because it is that alignment

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Speaker 10: does include our fans as well. It's everybody, all of

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Speaker 10: us together, I do believe, and you could feel it

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Speaker 10: last week and Pasabena, I do you think we could

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Speaker 10: do special things and just all of us kind of

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Speaker 10: pulling together and our fans have been unbelievable.

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Speaker 5: Just can't thank them enough. So Let's keep this thing,

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Speaker 5: keep this thing rolling. Thanks for having me on guys,

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Speaker 5: I really appreciate it.