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Speaker 2: I hope it works all right, good, Well, that's a win.

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Speaker 1: That is a win. Matt vert Ram of SI is here.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm always interested in your perspective on this.

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Speaker 1: We get very caught up obviously speaking in the NFL

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Speaker 2: So I think, look, this class is kind of seen

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Speaker 1: Just throwing out position. Can he be a Jeremiah Love?

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Speaker 2: This year? The Fighting Irish hushed him a lot on

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Speaker 1: What's your perception or the national perception of Chris Ballard.

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Speaker 2: I think most people feel like he is a smart GM.

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Speaker 2: point too this idea of like, well what happened to

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Speaker 1: I mean that was almost a decade ago, correct, Like

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Speaker 2: But well, we're all sorry about Oh, I'm sorry about that.

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Speaker 1: You know, all right, Matt, We'll let you get back

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Speaker 1: those that are unaware, he has held a number of

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Speaker 1: But his last day will be Sunday because he is

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Speaker 1: Debrees of Indiana University Basketball. Were you surprised Scott by

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Speaker 4: Yeah, good afternoon, Jake. I think number one, I was

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Speaker 4: Jake from his standpoint because you and I both know

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Speaker 4: he loves eye. You just goes back anytime possible. Is

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Speaker 4: always at the you know, the annual combine thing that

432
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Speaker 4: they hold for the players, there to show them off

433
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Speaker 4: before the season and such is still held and well

434
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Speaker 4: great regard. There has a relationship with Scott Dolson, who's

435
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Speaker 4: also a manager, and so I think it's it's a

436
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Speaker 4: new fresh opportunity and we've seen so many places across

437
00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,359
Speaker 4: the country the one pole you have in sports is

438
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Speaker 4: back to your college, and I think that's what happened

439
00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,480
Speaker 4: here with Ryan and he's gonna have a lot of influence.

440
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Speaker 1: You know, the it's this sounds so weird to say

441
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Speaker 1: Scott is part of that salary cap management if you will,

442
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Speaker 1: I mean honestly, if you are working for a big

443
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Speaker 1: time Division one Big ten program and you have nil

444
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Speaker 1: money and portal and whatever else is part of that

445
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Speaker 1: just determining from one year to the next when and

446
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Speaker 1: where they need to spend their money.

447
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a huge part of it. There's

448
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Speaker 4: there's the high school aspect, obviously it's always been there,

449
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Speaker 4: but it also goes to the transfer, portal, international market

450
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Speaker 4: and trying to expand what you're doing on that front.

451
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Speaker 4: And then you're absolutely right, is the nil budget, it's

452
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Speaker 4: it's working relationships, It's there's not an agent Jake that

453
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Speaker 4: Ryan can't call and on the other side, for players

454
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Speaker 4: that are there and are maybe curious about where they

455
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Speaker 4: stack up, should they go, should they not. There's not

456
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Speaker 4: a team that Ryan can't call and say, here, here's

457
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Speaker 4: the president, here's what he thinks about your game, or

458
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 4: here's their head scout that has watched you play several times.

459
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Speaker 4: And so from both sides recruiting players and once they

460
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Speaker 4: are there, the way in which he can help them

461
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Speaker 4: is another way he can be an asset quickly.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's get to the pacer, Scott. In terms of

463
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Speaker 1: this matchup tonight, do we know yet? And this is

464
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Speaker 1: always this has become the fun thing to watch each

465
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Speaker 1: and every game. Do we know yet who's in and

466
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Speaker 1: who's out for tonight?

467
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Speaker 4: Not exactly. We know Siakam is doubtful. He has a

468
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Speaker 4: new injury at a left wrist sprain. So that's new

469
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Speaker 4: and noteworthy.

470
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Speaker 1: No, it's legit. I'm told it's legit. Yes, absolutely it was.

471
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Speaker 1: I'll fall I'll put it on you this way. I

472
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Speaker 1: don't dispute Scott that that that injury is legit. Okay,

473
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Speaker 1: but you know, if this was, if there are two

474
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Speaker 1: games back for the two seed in the East, is

475
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Speaker 1: it does it keep him out? You know what I mean,

476
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Speaker 1: that's my thing. That's fair. You absolutely and I've I've

477
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Speaker 1: got no problem with it. Don't get me wrong, I

478
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Speaker 1: have no problem with it.

479
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm with you as well. But you do

480
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Speaker 4: take a more cautious approach here, Aaron N. Smith, we

481
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Speaker 4: know he is out. We still will not see Zubach

482
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Speaker 4: for I think a couple of weeks. Nie Smith, at

483
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Speaker 4: least through the end of the week. Rick Carlisle does

484
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Speaker 4: not expect to see him. So on the main front

485
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Speaker 4: here you have Cam Jones as well as Micah Potter

486
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Speaker 4: who are probable, and the two point guards TJ. McConnell

487
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Speaker 4: and Andrew Nimhardt are questionable for tonight.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Scott, I'm going to revisit with you something

489
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Speaker 1: that we have gone over several times. Scott Agas's my guest.

490
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Speaker 1: Fieldhouse Files is where you can read his work talking

491
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Speaker 1: about the Pacers. They're an action tonight taking on Philadelphia.

492
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Speaker 1: As as we have gone like, for example, I saw

493
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Speaker 1: yesterday there was essentially your equivalent that covers the Clippers

494
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Speaker 1: in Los Angeles that was like, how is this even possible?

495
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Speaker 1: We let this franchise come in and take away our

496
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Speaker 1: franchise center and hold on to a potential top four pick.

497
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Speaker 1: And now they also have a guy in Kobe Brown

498
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Speaker 1: that's playing well for them. Okay, now, the question I

499
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Speaker 1: have for you, Scott, when you look at something like

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Speaker 1: that of Kobe Brown coming in and playing well for

501
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Speaker 1: Indiana and being the added ten dollars bill found in

502
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Speaker 1: your pocket when you're doing your laundry, is that because

503
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Speaker 1: they have tapped into something here that the Clippers had

504
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,880
Speaker 1: not tapped into or is it simply because they need

505
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Speaker 1: someone to put up shots in play minutes during this

506
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Speaker 1: period and then once they're back to full strength, he

507
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Speaker 1: goes back to being what we thought he was.

508
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Speaker 4: Well, I think right now we're Indiana fans are still

509
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 4: trying to gauge and get an opinion of Kobe right

510
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 4: how many fans are staying up to watch Clippers games.

511
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Speaker 4: But the number one thing, as it comes down to anyone,

512
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Speaker 4: is the opportunity, and he's getting over twenty six minutes

513
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 4: per game. The same can be true about Jaris Walker Jake,

514
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Speaker 4: who scored in double figures in the last thirteen games. Well,

515
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 4: guess what, he's also playing thirty minutes per game. So

516
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Speaker 4: he's making the most of the opportunity. And for the

517
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Speaker 4: Clippers standpoint, Look, they did not pick up Kobe Brown's

518
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Speaker 4: option for next year, so he was going to be

519
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Speaker 4: a free agent. And for the last several years we've

520
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Speaker 4: seen the Clippers set themselves up for this upcoming free

521
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Speaker 4: agency to have a lot of money. So they got

522
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Speaker 4: off Brown's contract, they got off of Zubats's contract as well,

523
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Speaker 4: and they're playing a little bit of a poker game,

524
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Speaker 4: just like the Pacers are with those draft picks. It

525
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Speaker 4: could could go well and if not, it could still

526
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Speaker 4: be an unprotected pick on the back end of that.

527
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Speaker 4: So I think it's worthwhile for both of these teams

528
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Speaker 4: and is working out well. Ben Matheren has done great. Jake,

529
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Speaker 4: and he's not even healthy, I don't I think fans

530
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Speaker 4: forget that is he's dealing with turf toe, which is

531
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Speaker 4: going to take several months after the season to completely heal,

532
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Speaker 4: along with that thumb spring.

533
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Speaker 1: The you know, the the aspect of let's go to

534
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Speaker 1: Jeris Walker. Yeah, Scott, I said a month ago, you

535
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Speaker 1: know Ron from Chicago's Pizza, great dude, and he went

536
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Speaker 1: to the game with me. This probably been two months

537
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Speaker 1: ago actually, and he said something that I just thought

538
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Speaker 1: was such a great line. He said to me, when

539
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Speaker 1: is the fog get to lift off of Jarris Walker?

540
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Speaker 1: And I said, man, that is such a perfect way

541
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Speaker 1: of saying it, because you could see that there was

542
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Speaker 1: you could see what was there with Jaris Walker, but

543
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Speaker 1: there was always just kind of this imitation of it

544
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: fully blossoming. Scott, I think the fog has lifted, you know.

545
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Speaker 1: I think if there's one benefit that has come from

546
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Speaker 1: this year, it's that now he is playing to me

547
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Speaker 1: with the fluidity that shows that it is instinctual and

548
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Speaker 1: he's a He also has shown that I think he's

549
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: a better passer with a better feel than I realized beforehand.

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Speaker 1: Question I have for you, Scott, is can this level

551
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Speaker 1: of play for Jarris Walker continue once he's back out

552
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: there at the pace and with the roster at one

553
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Speaker 1: hundred percent as opposed to those he's playing with right now. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think it can, Jake, because right now he's more

555
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Speaker 4: of the focal point right and so just imagine when

556
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Speaker 4: he has lesser defenders on him, when there's little expectation

557
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 4: right versus right now, he might if Siakam's not out there,

558
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 4: he's basically your leading scorer and often your leading rebounder.

559
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Speaker 4: He's averaging, you know, eleven rebounds over the last three games,

560
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 4: all losses, and so I think so much of it

561
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 4: you can get in your head. I mean, it's easy

562
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 4: to forget he would be a senior in college right now.

563
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Speaker 4: He is just twenty two and so playing in a

564
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Speaker 4: different system where a lot things are being asked from

565
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Speaker 4: him differently than it was in Houston. And that was

566
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Speaker 4: a that took him longer to adapt than I think

567
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Speaker 4: he was prepared for. It took him at least a

568
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Speaker 4: couple of years and so and then now we're seeing it,

569
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Speaker 4: I think more offensively and his confidence in getting to

570
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Speaker 4: the rim and trying to get free throw attempts, and

571
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Speaker 4: I think he's doing a much better job of that,

572
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 4: by the way, but for those reasons, for other players

573
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Speaker 4: that will be able to compliment him, and he could

574
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Speaker 4: come off the bench. I think he can continue at

575
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Speaker 4: it at like a twenty minute per game clip for sure.

576
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Speaker 1: Are we going to see this situation for the remainder

577
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Speaker 1: of the year, which I understand, I'm not hating on it,

578
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Speaker 1: but the kind of game in, game out status of

579
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Speaker 1: Andrew Nimhart moving forward with the lower back injury management,

580
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Speaker 1: I think is what it's labeled as. But just knowing

581
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Speaker 1: the circumstance and situation, is it going to be an

582
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Speaker 1: inconsistency of internim Heart's availability. I think so.

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Speaker 4: That's something he's battled with, I think even before this season,

584
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Speaker 4: just having back pain and yeah, with sex, especially Jake

585
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 4: the second night of back to backs, that's where we've

586
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Speaker 4: seen them be ultra cautious about. That's, in fact what

587
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Speaker 4: partially led to that fine that Rick Carlisle adamantly disagreed

588
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Speaker 4: with and I thought was fascinating this morning and explaining

589
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Speaker 4: on this station. And they're just being ultra cautious with

590
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Speaker 4: all of these guys, which is probably highlighted with Toppin

591
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 4: and with Zubots more than anyone.

592
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Speaker 1: Scott Agnes field House files is where you can read

593
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Speaker 1: his work.

594
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Speaker 2: Tonight.

595
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Speaker 1: It is the Pacers and the Philadelphia seventy six ers

596
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: from the field House and we will see who is

597
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Speaker 1: in and who is out once we get closer to

598
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Speaker 1: game time. And again Ryan Carr on his way out

599
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Speaker 1: from the Pacers' front office to go, and that's not

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Speaker 1: a bad thing. I mean that's on his own for

601
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Speaker 1: the opportunity at Indiana University. Any word yet, Scott on

602
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Speaker 1: where they will turn or when they will have the

603
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Speaker 1: vacancy for Scott Agnes or excuse me, for Ryan Carr

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Speaker 1: when he does depart. No, nothing new on that front.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked that I did want to add

606
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Speaker 1: to that.

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Speaker 4: My guess is it'll just be more responsibilities for two

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Speaker 4: guys that are thought of highly over there. From the

609
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Speaker 4: college side, Jake, it's Mike Bourne, who has been with

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Speaker 4: Chad Buchanan and Kevin Pritchard for quite a long time.

611
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Speaker 4: And then on the pro side is Vance Catlin, who's

612
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Speaker 4: been within this program within the Pacers for fifteen twenty years.

613
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Speaker 4: And so I see those two continuing to add to

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Speaker 4: their responsibilities. It's unclear if Kevin Pritchett will choose to

615
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Speaker 4: replace Ryan Carr or just fill from within.

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Speaker 1: Eddie, you had a question, go ahead, yeah, Scott.

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Speaker 3: Yesterday I know you and I talked a little bit

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Speaker 3: about the WNBA CBA negotiations. Yesterday they announced that last

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Speaker 3: year would have been the first time that revenue sharing

620
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Speaker 3: would could happen, revenue payments sharing that could happen because

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Speaker 3: of how much money the league generated. How big is

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Speaker 3: that for the WNBI. I know it's like the first time,

623
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Speaker 3: but that's just massive news yesterday for.

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Speaker 4: The w Yeah, it really is, and everybody's for both sides, Eddie,

625
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 4: we're seeing we'll leak out information right because you're trying

626
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Speaker 4: to get to an agreement here and both sides want

627
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Speaker 4: as good a deal as possible. But in the grand

628
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 4: scheme of things, yes, having more revenue sharing and a

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Speaker 4: lot of it from what I understand was in terms

630
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Speaker 4: of merchandise and how that is distributed, which means more

631
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Speaker 4: people are buying the product, more people are involved in

632
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 4: the stuff beyond the game even but for the fact

633
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 4: that they are making money suggests that that will continue.

634
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Speaker 4: And you're gonna have two more teams added to the

635
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Speaker 4: fold this year as well. And the number one thing,

636
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 4: Eddie is obviously the TV money that'll be incoming. But

637
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 4: March tenth is the soft deadline, essentially that the WNBA

638
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 4: alerted the players that they have to get a deal done,

639
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 4: and then it still takes a couple of weeks at

640
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 4: least for paperwork as well. So no end in sight

641
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 4: just yet.

642
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Speaker 1: So is there any threat Scott, imminent I guess or

643
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Speaker 1: legit threat of a workstoppage when it comes to.

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Speaker 4: The w I don't think there's any imminent threat by

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Speaker 4: any means. I mean a month and a half ago,

646
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Speaker 4: I think it was the players announced that they had

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Speaker 4: agreed they could strike if they felt compelled to. The

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Speaker 4: membership had voted in the majority that they could go

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Speaker 4: that route.

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Speaker 1: Now they haven't.

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Speaker 4: I mean last week, for example, Stephanie White, her coaching staff,

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Speaker 4: some team executives were down in Miami with some of

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Speaker 4: the unrivaled players along with Caitlyn Clark. They can work

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Speaker 4: out together all of that. Because it's carrying on from

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Speaker 4: the CBA. It's just a matter of I think the

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Speaker 4: players wanting to feel appreciated, well compensated, and the owners

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Speaker 4: wanting stability for the franchises.

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Speaker 1: Scott, appreciate the time as always again Pacers Sixers Tonight coverage,

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Speaker 1: got it. Thanks guys. Scott Agnes joining us on the

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Speaker 1: Courtney Cronin has come over from Chicago, and the last

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Speaker 1: time we talked, I'll be honest with the Courtney and

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining us. By the way, it's nice

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Speaker 1: to see you again. It's funny because the last time

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Speaker 1: we talked, and I think both of us kind of

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Speaker 1: maybe you more so seriously than I because you're entrenched

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Speaker 1: in it. But when we brought up the discussion about

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Speaker 1: the Bears and possible relocation, there was kind of this

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Speaker 1: cynicism in it because you're like, okay, is this a

681
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Speaker 1: power play? And then it seemed like all of a

682
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Speaker 1: sudden we were getting to the point where WHOA maybe

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Speaker 1: this is real with Hammond, and then has the scale

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Speaker 1: moved back again a little bit? Where do we stay? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I think when the announcement came out last Thursday, people

686
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Speaker 5: read the Governor's statement, Governor Mike Brown's statement, and then

687
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Speaker 5: they read the Bear's statement. One sounded like gung ho.

688
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 5: I think the phrase that was used by some people

689
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Speaker 5: covering the team that read into that was that they're

690
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Speaker 5: the half yard line. And then the Bears put out

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Speaker 5: a statement saying they're in their due diligence phase, like

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Speaker 5: they're excited to work with Indiana potentially to move, but

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Speaker 5: this is what you know. It was the most meaningful

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Speaker 5: step that they had taken in any of the three

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Speaker 5: and a half four years since they purchased land in

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Speaker 5: Arlington Heights to getting a stadium built anywhere. So it's

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Speaker 5: still a very fluid situation, which I think for Bears

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Speaker 5: fans is frustrating because it's like, can you just put

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Speaker 5: a shovel in the ground, Like, why is this back

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Speaker 5: and forth? You own the land in Arlington Heights. I

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Speaker 5: understand there's like all this like un sexy talk about

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Speaker 5: property tech certainty and being able to get some taxpayer

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Speaker 5: dollars to help you construct the stuff around the stadium.

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Speaker 5: But as of right now, like the way that Indiana

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Speaker 5: has positioned itself with the passing of Senate Bill twenty

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Speaker 5: seven last week, like they're ready to move forward. It's

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Speaker 5: just like, are the Bears ready to move forward? It

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Speaker 5: does not seem like they're aligned on those things.

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Speaker 1: Let me give you the kind of the bad albeit

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Speaker 1: analogy that I gave last week, and then you tell

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Speaker 1: me if there's if you think that this jives with

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Speaker 1: where we are? Okay, have you ever watched Seinfeld?

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Speaker 2: I have?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So there's a Seinfeld episode where Jerry and Elaine

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Speaker 1: see another couple that is about to break up and

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Speaker 1: they are and they're like, oh gosh, like we both

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Speaker 1: have interest in these people. So they come up with

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Speaker 1: the game plan of simply saying to them, you know what,

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Speaker 1: we're there for you. We're there for you. Because then

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Speaker 1: when all of a sudden those people are ready to

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Speaker 1: move on, it's like, you know, Elaine says, we dropped

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Speaker 1: the for you and now we're just there. And so

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Speaker 1: I feel like Indiana is basically saying to the Bears,

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Speaker 1: if it doesn't work out for you and arltin like

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Speaker 1: we're here for you, and now all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: Indiana's like, maybe, actually we're here right. But so Indiana,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how aggressive. And I'm not trying to

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Speaker 1: in any way, shape or form alleviate guilt if you will,

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Speaker 1: from Indiana here, but it feels like Indiana was just

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Speaker 1: kind of throwing it out there, maybe not even understanding

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Speaker 1: how close it really was, and then oh wait, wow.

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Speaker 5: They got taken up on their offer, right, Like that's

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Speaker 5: how it feels, and you know, the whole leverage play

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Speaker 5: you I think it was right around the time of

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Speaker 5: that Green Bay Packers game, the second one of the

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Speaker 5: three they played last season, where Kevin Warren puts out

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Speaker 5: the statement two days before they're playing on that Saturday

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Speaker 5: night game they win in overtime, and they've done this

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Speaker 5: thing where they try to capitalize on big momentum with

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Speaker 5: the team to put these stadium announcements out and then

741
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Speaker 5: to say it's not a leverage play when it very

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Speaker 5: clearly was a leverage play. I don't know if Indiana

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Speaker 5: sees it this way, but it kind of feels like

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Speaker 5: they're used to be able to get something out of

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Speaker 5: the stature, and.

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Speaker 1: Especially when you consider Courtney, and you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: know Kevin Warren, right, but I know this. I know

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Speaker 1: that he was with the Big Ten. I know that

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Speaker 1: when he was with the Big Ten, he was aggressive

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Speaker 1: in you know, expanding the footprint of the Big Ten

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Speaker 1: and bringing in UCLA and USC and doing things that

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Speaker 1: were unconventional at the time but were in the best

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Speaker 1: interest of the financial aspect of the league. And when

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Speaker 1: he came to the Bears, I'm curious, it almost feels

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Speaker 1: like he was hired in. I mean, this is no

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Speaker 1: disrespect to him as the mercenary of We're going to

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Speaker 1: bring you in so that you can be the guy

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Speaker 1: to ruffle the feathers and get the dollars where we

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Speaker 1: can find him.

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Speaker 5: Well, he got the stadium project finalized and built in Minneapolis,

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Speaker 5: and they saw that as an opportunity, knowing that Ted

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Speaker 5: Phillips was retiring after forty years, to bring in fresh perspective,

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Speaker 5: fresh idea. They had never hired anybody outside the family,

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Speaker 5: the mccaskeys, the Hollises, and basically Ted Phillips was a

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Speaker 5: family member because he had been there for so long.

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Speaker 5: They said to themselves, we need to do things differently.

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Speaker 5: If we want to get a stadium built, we have

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Speaker 5: to think so creatively in ways that we're not capable

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Speaker 5: of doing.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if it's as much mercenary as it

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Speaker 5: is somebody who has the expertise of doing it, but

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Speaker 5: doing it in a place where the politics the finances

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Speaker 5: were a lot different, the site was a lot different.

775
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Speaker 5: They built US Bank Stadium in Minneapolis on the site

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Speaker 5: of the old Dome, and that's a problem when it

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Speaker 5: comes to the differences between how that game plan was

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Speaker 5: executed to what this one's going to be or how

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Speaker 5: they're trying to execute this one in the state of Illinois.

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Speaker 1: It does feel like, and again I don't mean this

781
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Speaker 1: is a bad thing about him, but he was brought

782
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Speaker 1: in for the business acumen as opposed to the football side.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

784
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Speaker 5: No, I don't think that even though he's over football too.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he's the team president, so Ryan Poles, a

786
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Speaker 5: general manager, reports to him. It's still like that's not

787
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Speaker 5: his wheelhouse. He's not a talent evaluator. He's here to

788
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Speaker 5: try to get the business deals done. But it's kind

789
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Speaker 5: of a concerning look right now that it's been this

790
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Speaker 5: many years and it's been back and forth every step

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Speaker 5: of the way. So he gets hired officially early twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty three, they close on the land in Arlington Heights

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Speaker 5: that he was not part of the purchase with. That

794
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 5: was Ted Phillips, the former president of the team, who

795
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Speaker 5: did not buy the land or or execute this with

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Speaker 5: getting property like it's it's backwards. They went about this

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00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 5: in a really backwards way where I don't know if

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Speaker 5: had they would have had they done this all over,

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Speaker 5: you think that someone with intelligence and a business acumen

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Speaker 5: would understand, Hey, we're a billion dollar corporation.

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Speaker 2: That's what they are.

802
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 5: It's a it's a mom and pop run team, but

803
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 5: it is very much a billion dollar entity. You secured

804
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Speaker 5: property tax certainty, you do that, that's like step number one,

805
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 5: And they didn't do that. So then Kevin Warren gets

806
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Speaker 5: in and their ping pong back and forth. Okay, well

807
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 5: Arlington Heights is being difficult, so we're going to go

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Speaker 5: back and focus on Chicago. Well, Chicago in the state

809
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 5: of Illinois are not going to give us money to

810
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Speaker 5: go build the stadium that we want to south of

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Speaker 5: Soldier Field because they can't tear Soldier Field down. Two reasons,

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Speaker 5: it's a historic Landmark and they don't own it. And

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Speaker 5: then going back and forth. Okay, now we're shifting our

814
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Speaker 5: focus back to Arlington Heights. Now we're looking at some

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Speaker 5: other sites. Now we're looking at Indiana. It's it's annoying,

816
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 5: like it's annoying I think for I mean even three

817
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Speaker 5: to four years.

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Speaker 1: Again, remember when the Cubs were going to move to

819
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Speaker 1: Schomberg and you know they were going to mean.

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Speaker 5: A million and they use leverage to be able to

821
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Speaker 5: get more out of the city of Chicago, to be

822
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Speaker 5: able to stay and to be able to do the

823
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Speaker 5: renovations at Wrigley Field. But this is Enough's enough, I think,

824
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Speaker 5: is the sentiment I get from Bears fans who don't

825
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 5: like if you are leaving the state because they still

826
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Speaker 5: are guaranteeing two billion dollars to fund the project, which

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Speaker 5: is a stadium the mixed use development around it, and

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Speaker 5: there are people in Illinois who were saying, why are

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Speaker 5: you going to give that business to the state of Indiana.

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Speaker 5: There's no disrespect to Indiana, but it's more so like

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Speaker 5: you're in this state, why can't you do it here?

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00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 5: And the issue is the property tax certainty is not

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Speaker 5: there right now. That's a bill that's part of a

834
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Speaker 5: bill that they're trying to pass through. And is Illinois

835
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Speaker 5: really going to fork over eight hundred and fifty million

836
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Speaker 5: the estimated amount for all of the construction around the stadium.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

838
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Speaker 5: I don't think so. Like, let's think about this.

839
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Speaker 2: JB.

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Speaker 5: Prinzer is going to run for president in twenty twenty

841
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Speaker 5: eight and the Democratic ticket. He wants to be the

842
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 5: guy to say I stood up to the billionaires. That's

843
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 5: how he's going to try to win.

844
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Speaker 1: That take, you know what, accordey and not to and

845
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Speaker 1: I realize it gets in his slippery slope of political church.

846
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Speaker 1: Courtney Cronin, by the way, my guest from ESPN and

847
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: based out of Chicago and went to Indiana.

848
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Speaker 2: So but.

849
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Speaker 1: I think that there are a lot of people the

850
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: sentiment to me, it seems country wide almost feels like

851
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: with pro sports, that people are like enough, yeah enough, right,

852
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: we have bigger fish to fry than to consistently constantly

853
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: be putting more in the hopper for because now we

854
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: need nine hundred luxury box suitess instead of eight hundred

855
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: and eighty, you know what I mean.

856
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Speaker 5: In a state like Kansas really raked everybody over the

857
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Speaker 5: coals with what the seventy thirty split that they're allegedly

858
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 5: trying to push through to get the Chiefs over there

859
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 5: when the cheat when the state of Kansas is saying

860
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 5: we'll pay the majority of this, Like, there's teams around

861
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,479
Speaker 5: the league that are like, well, why are they getting

862
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 5: that luxury when it feels like there's an entitlement element

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Speaker 5: from teams that feel with stadiums and the business and

864
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Speaker 5: the economic impact that teams have, that they are entitled

865
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Speaker 5: to that. However, like we know that stadiums are not

866
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 5: a good use of public taxpayer dollars, and that's common.

867
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Speaker 1: Sense, but like the team, for a long time, everybody

868
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: was like, we got to do it, we gotta do

869
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Speaker 1: it now.

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Speaker 2: Now now, I.

871
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Speaker 5: Think that all the studies that have been done on

872
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 5: like what does this actually do for the community, it's

873
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 5: that's it's why that Kansas City Chiefs thing is so

874
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 5: jarring that that's what is being proposed.

875
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Speaker 1: Right nowhead right, you know what I mean.

876
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Speaker 5: I mean to go across state lines like fifteen miles right.

877
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Speaker 1: By the way. You have a big event coming up

878
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Speaker 1: tonight at Tavern on South right six o'clock.

879
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 5: Tonight, six o'clock tonight, it's the Women of the NFL

880
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 5: Combine Happy Hour. It's our eighth year doing it. It's

881
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 5: my favorite part of Combine Week. When the people at

882
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 5: Tavern on the South have been like since the beginning

883
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Speaker 5: of this in twenty nineteen, They're so generous with their resources,

884
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 5: generous with their space, and I'm really excited that all

885
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 5: the new faces that I see roaming around the Combine here,

886
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 5: like it's nice to know we will have a bigger

887
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 5: crew once again.

888
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: So what is exactly the event and what was the

889
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: genesis of this?

890
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 5: So the event is an informal networking session between women

891
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 5: who are here working much like myself. But it's not

892
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 5: just journalists. It's not just people you see on radio row.

893
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 5: It's nutritionists for teams, it's trainers, it's coaches, it's league

894
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 5: office employees, agents, marketing people, people who you know. College

895
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 5: football is here in droves this year. I feel like

896
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 5: I have never seen the college football presence from like

897
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 5: the front office perspective, because we never had that. So

898
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Speaker 5: it's a chance for networking for allyship. And what I

899
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 5: really appreciate about it is like the genesis of it

900
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 5: was back in twenty nineteen because my first combine was

901
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 5: twenty eighteen. I was covering the Vikings twenty seventeen season,

902
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 5: like whirlwind season had like no break because the super

903
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 5: Bowl was in Minneapolis, where I lived, so I went

904
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 5: right from NFC Championship the Vikings lose, I'm covering the

905
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 5: super Bowl and then it's like boom, you're here at

906
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 5: the combine. And I didn't know how to navigate this.

907
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 5: I didn't know how to navigate literally this radio road

908
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 5: to the interviews, to all of that, to like the

909
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 5: nighttime stuff where you're out you're trying to create sources.

910
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 5: So I took an idea from the National Association of

911
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 5: Black Journalists. They always had a dinner here and be

912
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 5: organized by whoever their chapter head was or president. And

913
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 5: I was like, that's cool, Like that organization's getting together.

914
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 5: What if we just did something for We're not like

915
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 5: an organization, but it's you know, I was like, what

916
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 5: about for everybody, all women that are here, Like, let's

917
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 5: just all get a chance to get together and meet

918
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 5: each other. So there were like thirty to forty people

919
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 5: the first year, and now like right now we're like

920
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 5: right around like capacity, right around two fifty, which is

921
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 5: of RSVP.

922
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 2: So it's very exciting, is it?

923
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: And I mean this in the most respectful way. I

924
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: hope I'm not overstating something here, Okay? Is it for

925
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: you more comfortable being a female in what is still

926
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 1: a predominantly male oriented business than it was seven years ago?

927
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 5: I think we're getting there. I think there's been a

928
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:35,479
Speaker 5: lot of progress made.

929
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: And is that presumptive of me to think that that

930
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: would be something you're aware of?

931
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 5: No, not at all, because I think that is like

932
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 5: the part of the reason you do these things is

933
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 5: to create more representation. Like I know there's certain people

934
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Speaker 5: on the airwaves in Indianapolis who don't like to hear

935
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 5: about that. But women are here, women are in sports,

936
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 5: women are in football, and they're not going anywhere. But

937
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 5: it's it's an exciting time because any like I like

938
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Speaker 5: seeing the people who have been there from the beginning,

939
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Speaker 5: the people who have helped me continue on this event.

940
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Speaker 5: What I really like to see are the new faces,

941
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 5: the people who email me DM me, Hey, I heard

942
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 5: I saw your flyer in the convention center. I heard

943
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 5: about this because somebody passed along your invite online. Can

944
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 5: I come and the answer is always yes, because the

945
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 5: more of us there are, the better chance there will

946
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Speaker 5: be for you know, women to break into really impactful

947
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 5: roles in whatever their respective industry is. In any corner

948
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 5: of football, like there's there's progress being made, and so

949
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 5: to like be a small part of it, I I

950
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 5: that's it brings me a lot of I feel like

951
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 5: a lot of gratitude that comes along with it.

952
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Speaker 1: I just think, you know, it won't be long before

953
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Speaker 1: the hospitality taxes you're paying each time that you come.

954
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Speaker 5: And do the go to the Bear Stadium, like a

955
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 5: one percent? What's the innkeeper tax? That's one of my favorites?

956
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 5: Is it this still a thing? Apparently?

957
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: You know Indianapolis for a period there, I believe it

958
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: was Indianapolis, New York City and Las Vegas where the

959
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: three these with the highest hospitality tax in the country

960
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: for hotels and it was because of Lucas Oil Stadium.

961
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Speaker 1: Yeah right, so you know we're I've lost track.

962
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Speaker 5: Of all the taxes, yeah that go into it and

963
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 5: the Lucas Oil Stadium like that model for how they

964
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 5: built that for the Colts what late early twenty ten's

965
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Speaker 5: late two thousand.

966
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Speaker 1: Like oh seven to zero nine Yeah, I remember I was.

967
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Speaker 5: Like just getting to IU when that stadium was in

968
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Speaker 5: the process of like when the RCA Doom had closed

969
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 5: and that one was almost built. Like that's the model

970
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Speaker 5: they're trying to use here with like various public taxpayer

971
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Speaker 5: dollars to fund a similar construction effort. And I mean,

972
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Speaker 5: I don't know. I love Lucas Oil. I think it's

973
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Speaker 5: a beautiful stadium, like the Bears would be lucky to

974
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Speaker 5: play in something.

975
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Speaker 1: The only thing with Lucas Oils is too cavernous, you

976
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Speaker 1: think so. Yeah, And I'm a little bit biased because

977
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Speaker 1: I'm coming off of the RCA on which had a

978
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Speaker 1: lot more intimacy to it because you're small, you know,

979
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Speaker 1: it's more compact.

980
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I had never been, but like I'd only been

981
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Speaker 5: to Lucas Oil for Indiana Games.

982
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: I wonder if we all have to get out of

983
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Speaker 1: Lucas Oil Stadium simultaneously, if there's some sort of disaster,

984
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Speaker 1: it will take forever.

985
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Speaker 5: That's an issue with Soldier Field right now.

986
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Soldier Field is a lot like the Rose Bull

987
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Speaker 1: and the fact that you realize in nineteen twenty people

988
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,760
Speaker 1: were smaller. Yeah, you know what I mean, the exit

989
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: the walkways, all of it. You're like whoa like everybody

990
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: was short back then, Courtney, Best of luck tonight on

991
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: the event. By the way, thank you as always for

992
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: coming by much appreciated and continued work on the Bears

993
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: story because I think you'll be all over it. Thank you,

994
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: appreciate it one that we will keep an eye on,

995
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: all right, Courtney, crown it again from ESPN and in Chicago,

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Speaker 1: joining us