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Speaker 1: for those and I saw, I didn't see much green

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Speaker 2: Well, it was special, There's no question about it, Jake.

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Speaker 2: It is the most impactful performance of the season in

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Speaker 1: Okay, Chap, we're going to transition to NFL here. Let

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Speaker 5: Wan tell you congratulations on your success, young man. You

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Speaker 1: Okay, Chap. I know that a lot of fans see

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Speaker 1: fans that are not those that are getting the credential

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Speaker 1: don't see as much problem with it because there just

437
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: is not the clear separation between media and fan base

438
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Speaker 1: like there once was. Is that a fair statement.

439
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Speaker 4: Colds pr guy who does a great job, and I

440
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Speaker 4: think one of his biggest decisions every year is who

441
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Speaker 4: do you credential? You know some guy that's got a podcast,

442
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Speaker 4: some guy that you know doesn't go to games, some

443
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 4: guy from New York or Wisconsin or somewhere that's a

444
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 4: big Colts fan. But he posts things every day. One

445
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Speaker 4: thing that I'm pretty sure that content does. I'm pretty

446
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 4: sure he does this once or twice during training cancers

447
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 4: a day where he lets everybody in. He lets the

448
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 4: podcasters in. Can you hear that? When that goes off

449
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 4: laid mackerel. But but he lets everybody because he knows

450
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:14,360
Speaker 4: all all publicity's good publicity. But you have to have

451
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 4: a separation of podcasters. And here we are being snooty

452
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Speaker 4: in credential media because there is a difference, and we're not.

453
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Speaker 4: I'm not a homer for the team. Sometimes I feel

454
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Speaker 4: like I need to defend the team when somebody goes

455
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Speaker 4: off half cocked and I'm not pointing at you, but

456
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Speaker 4: I just think there are times that you need to

457
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Speaker 4: have the objective voice to where we I don't have

458
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Speaker 4: an agenda. Hey, now this team is it's better when

459
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Speaker 4: they win because it just is. If you're the beat guy. Now,

460
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 4: if you're Bob Kravitz and you're a columnist, you love

461
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Speaker 4: you love chaos because it just drives your copy. But

462
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Speaker 4: I think the hardest Yes, there's no question that with

463
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Speaker 4: today's media, the lines are blurred, which I think makes

464
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Speaker 4: it more important on who who has access and again

465
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Speaker 4: I'm trying to be inclusive to a point. To a point,

466
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 4: you have to have a valid forum. You can't be

467
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Speaker 4: just a fan who who has a following of four

468
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Speaker 4: hundred people online. You can't do that. So that's the

469
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Speaker 4: hardest part. But but there needs to be a line there.

470
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Speaker 4: There's just you know that they we all there's no

471
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Speaker 4: cheering in the press box. Well that's for a reason. Uh,

472
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 4: you know, that's for a reason. So I hope that

473
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Speaker 4: we can still have that line that that certainly is blurred,

474
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Speaker 4: but there's boy, there's got to be a line or

475
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Speaker 4: what are we doing? So you know, one of these

476
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Speaker 4: days I'll no longer do this and then I won't care.

477
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Speaker 4: But as long as I'm doing it, dog gone out.

478
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Speaker 4: There needs to be some some some for for where there. Yes,

479
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Speaker 4: there is a line and you know, like I say,

480
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Speaker 4: Matt County will give you two days up, but Westfield

481
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Speaker 4: to come out there and get all your interviews. Guys

482
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Speaker 4: will come up there and they've got Jonathan Taylor, Jersey's on,

483
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Speaker 4: you know, and come on. You know. So I just

484
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Speaker 4: wish it wasn't that way. It is, and I think

485
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Speaker 4: the Colts do a very good job, but those guys,

486
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 4: but CONTI does have a line that normally is not

487
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Speaker 4: crossed on game day press box and every day at

488
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Speaker 4: the Colts complex. It's a thinner crowd. It's a crowd

489
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Speaker 4: that has accredited people. I don't know any other way

490
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Speaker 4: to put it. So there's got to be a line,

491
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Speaker 4: and I hope that line doesn't get too blurry.

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Speaker 1: Mike Chapel's my guest, Java House Peel and poor guest

493
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Speaker 1: line of course, chap with CBS four and WXA and

494
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Speaker 1: Fox fifty nine. Let's get to the NFL playoffs, chap

495
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Speaker 1: most impressive performance from a team standpoint of the weekend

496
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Speaker 1: and your opinion was who, Well.

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Speaker 4: I like the Rams. I just I like the Rams. Uh,

498
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 4: but those were great. The Bears, you cannot you that's

499
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Speaker 4: great theater? Is that like seven games they've won in

500
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Speaker 4: the last two minutes. That's unreal, that's great. That's not sustainable,

501
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 4: it's not Uh. I still like the Rams. I'm not

502
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Speaker 4: sold on New England.

503
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Speaker 1: I'm not.

504
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Speaker 4: I think he isn't gonna blow the doors off of

505
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Speaker 4: Aaron Rogers tonight. I like the Rams what I've seen,

506
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 4: and and and then individually, Josh Allen is like a cockroach.

507
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Speaker 4: You can't kill him. You can't. I think it's great

508
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 4: stuff so far, and uh, going forward, it's just it's

509
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Speaker 4: just gonna be a great theater.

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Speaker 1: And uh.

511
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Speaker 4: And then oh, by the way, you've got Philadelphia, what

512
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Speaker 4: the hell they're gonna do? So it's it's really interesting stuff.

513
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Speaker 4: But I really am impressed by the Rams and that

514
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Speaker 4: the way they came back.

515
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Speaker 1: I think San Francisco's impressive. And if I'm Seattle, I

516
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Speaker 1: would be very worried about, you know, the way that

517
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Speaker 1: those two just played each other. Obviously in San Francisco,

518
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Speaker 1: I know Kittle went down. I know that they have

519
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Speaker 1: been decimated by injury, but they just keep finding away.

520
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: Is San Francisco kind of lurking in the weeds.

521
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's another one where I'm sorry, I'm late

522
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 4: to be on a Josh Purty fan. I just there's

523
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 4: always something I think is missing. And then and then

524
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 4: he makes these plays. And you know, their running game

525
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 4: is not very good. McCaffrey's averaging like three point nine

526
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Speaker 4: a carry, yet he makes plays in the past game

527
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Speaker 4: they find ways. At some points the injuryger are gonna matter.

528
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 4: Losing Kittle is a big deal, it really is. But

529
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Speaker 4: I tell you, when you get teams that find ways.

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Speaker 4: You know, we talked the last week or two about

531
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Speaker 4: the Colts found ways to lose. Now you're seeing that

532
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 4: how it is went teams find way to win, and

533
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Speaker 4: well that's what Frisco does. It's like the Bears. I'm

534
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 4: not sure how it's sustainable when you keep losing. They're

535
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 4: not losing their backup tackle, they're losing George Kittle. So

536
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Speaker 4: but yeah, great, it was a great weekend. I have

537
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 4: a low bar for tonight because I I don't like Pittsburgh.

538
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 4: I think they've they've defined mediocrity. So but so far,

539
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 4: so good.

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Speaker 1: Chap. A lot of times I'll watch, whether it be

541
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Speaker 1: the college playoffs, the you know, the Final Four, whatever

542
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: it may be. There are a lot of times where

543
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: I watch in the playoffs or in the postseason, and

544
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Speaker 1: if the team that I pull for or watch regularly

545
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: is not involved, then it will suddenly that's where I

546
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Speaker 1: will really see the gap between you know, say the

547
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: Colts and the teams that are in the postseason. Is

548
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: there a gap that I mean, obviously there's a gap

549
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: because the Colts, we know what happened at the end

550
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: of the year. But Daniel Jones was so, you know,

551
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: we talked about all that. But when you look at it,

552
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Speaker 1: does it remind you that they are simply health away

553
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Speaker 1: from being competitive or did the postseason to you show

554
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Speaker 1: a gap that reminds you how far aware they are?

555
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 4: Well how far is a relative term, but the not there.

556
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 4: I looked last night, you know, with the Niners make

557
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 4: that the last stop and then win the game, and

558
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 4: I'm thinking, where was that for the Colts? You know,

559
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 4: where was that one stop in Seattle, that one stop

560
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 4: in Kansas City and even Jacksonville, where was that one stop?

561
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 4: And you know, the injury thing, everybody has it. But

562
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 4: the one thing I do push back on is losing

563
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 4: Dandel Jones was not the same.

564
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Speaker 1: Did we lose chap Nathaniel, Yeah, it looks like a

565
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Speaker 1: chap All right, Hello, we lost Mike Chapel. We'll try

566
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Speaker 1: to reconnect with chap But yes, I think that when

567
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Speaker 1: you look at and that's to me, you know, admittedly,

568
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Speaker 1: I mean speaking of Indiana. You know, for years what

569
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Speaker 1: I would go down to like Clemson games and I

570
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: would say, there's just such a gap between the speed

571
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Speaker 1: and the level of play between in Indiana and then

572
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Speaker 1: say a Clemsoner in Alabama going back, you know, five

573
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Speaker 1: six years ago, and you know for Purdue that the same.

574
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Speaker 1: And I did see Purdue. I was looking last night

575
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: at some recruiting aspects for Purdue. You know, I think

576
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: that there's they may be somewhat like headed towards the

577
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: right direction in trying to build a foundation, but speed

578
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: in general at the college level. I would look at

579
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: between saying, you know, the Big ten schools and then

580
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: those others, and it is very bizarre to think that

581
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: Indiana is now the one that is setting that pace.

582
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,479
Speaker 1: But from the NFL standpoint, chap As you were saying,

583
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: you know Jones again, I guess we go back to that.

584
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: Just so much of it depends, does it not, and

585
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: whether or not Daniel Jones is healthy and when they

586
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: will be able to assess whether or not he's healthy

587
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Speaker 1: for next year.

588
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Speaker 4: You know week one right, everything does, everything, everything that's

589
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 4: going to happen next year is dependent on Daniel Jones.

590
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 4: It just is there. They are as convinced as they

591
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 4: can be in January that he's gonna be ready junior

592
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 4: July for the start of training camp. At what level

593
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 4: we'll see. But if not, Daniel Jones, who you know,

594
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 4: other writer learn command and play pretty well. But I

595
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 4: don't think they believe he's ready to play a month.

596
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 4: So everything's on his health and and and there's a

597
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 4: lot of reasons to say, oh boy, you know you're

598
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 4: you're putting all your eggs in that basket and Achilles

599
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 4: for from a guy who's who's I think he's finished

600
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Speaker 4: three of his whatever it is, seven years on IR

601
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Speaker 4: with injuries, So it's it's all on him. I don't

602
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 4: whatever else they do in the off season, you know

603
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 4: they're going to resign Jones. They are. It just depends

604
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 4: on the money. And I am as convinced as I

605
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 4: can be they're going to resign Alec Pearce, although boy

606
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 4: Josh Allen has to say, you know, I wouldn't mind

607
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 4: having Alec Pearce in Buffalo right now. I don't see

608
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 4: any way this team allows Alec Pearce to sniff the

609
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 4: open market. I just don't see it. But it all

610
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 4: depends on the quarterback. And if he comes back and

611
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 4: plays like he did the first ten games, then they're

612
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 4: in good check because they're gonna they're gonna, I won't say,

613
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 4: blow up the defense, but we may not recognize the

614
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 4: front seven next year because they're gonna make changes, which

615
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 4: they need to so. But it's all in the quarterback.

616
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Speaker 4: And I understand everyone's angst over that because he's got

617
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Speaker 4: an achilles, and we've seen guys not be the same,

618
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 4: certainly initially after an achilles.

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Speaker 1: Mike Chapel is my guest Java House Peel and poor

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Speaker 1: guest Line chap One other thing I wanted to touch on

621
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Speaker 1: before we let you go here and appreciate the time

622
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Speaker 1: you talked about Josh Allen in Buffalo that play and

623
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Speaker 1: it was impressive. They had a fourth and one and

624
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Speaker 1: I can't remember if they scored a touchdown or down

625
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,479
Speaker 1: it like the half yard line, but basically Josh Allen,

626
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: who is a you know, super strong between the tackle guy,

627
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: I get it, but his line basically picked him up

628
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: and carry him for like seven yard?

629
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Speaker 4: Good?

630
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Can that be? Are they going to have to

631
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Speaker 1: revisit that?

632
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,959
Speaker 4: Yeah? That's that's you know, the version of the touch push.

633
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 4: But that that's you can't pick a guy. You're not

634
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 4: supposed to be able to pick a guy up and

635
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 4: carry him for crying out loud, And that's something I

636
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 4: would hope. Is that a football play?

637
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: I don't know.

638
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 4: I I don't think so.

639
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 3: I don't like it.

640
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 4: Uh, but you know, there there's been two or three

641
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 4: years that they've sort of fought back and they've not

642
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 4: gotten enough endorsement to ban that play. But that's not

643
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 4: a good play. I mean, it just isn't. And then

644
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 4: there's been there's been a player too. I think it

645
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 4: was with the Eagles several weeks ago where they ran

646
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 4: that and then I think, uh, Jalen Hurst fumbled the

647
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 4: ball and did it did it happen for momentum stopped

648
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 4: or whatever? So it's just it's just not a clean play,

649
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 4: and I hope they do something to adjust teams running

650
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Speaker 4: that kind of a play.

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Speaker 1: Mike Chapel, we will continue to monitor what happened here

652
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: in terms of any storylines with the Colts. Probably talked

653
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: to you again throughout the course of the playoffs, and

654
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Speaker 1: we will hold you to tonight's prediction that Houston will

655
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Speaker 1: take care of business against Pittsburgh. MiG time, big time,

656
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Speaker 1: he says, all right, appreciated chap Later, my Chapel joining us.

657
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Speaker 1: There were several things that perhaps surprise folks about the

658
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Speaker 1: Indiana Oregon game on Friday evening, Notably the way in

659
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 1: which that game went from the score standpoint, let's be real. Secondly,

660
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Speaker 1: obviously just the incredulous nature of having Indiana playing for

661
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Speaker 1: a national championship. And third perhaps the quick pounce that

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Speaker 1: Indiana had on Oregon, much to the delight of the

663
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Speaker 1: ninety percent of the fans of Mercedes Benz Stadium. But

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Speaker 1: one of the more fun curve balls that took place

665
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Speaker 1: in the game is when they went to the booth

666
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Speaker 1: and Sean McDonough was under the assumption that he was

667
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Speaker 1: getting ready to talk about the Oregon Ducks, and at

668
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Speaker 1: that point it was his colleague Greg McElroy, who took

669
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Speaker 1: the opportunity to congratulate him on being named the National

670
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: Sports Media National Sportscaster of the Year. And when you

671
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Speaker 1: are a sportscaster, it does your job to always know

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Speaker 1: what to say. And I thought it was a poignant

673
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Speaker 1: moment that Sean McDonough in that second kind of clearly

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Speaker 1: did not. But it is a well earned honor. He

675
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Speaker 1: joins us now in the Java House Peel and poor

676
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Speaker 1: guest line after the call in that game, Sean, that

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Speaker 1: caught you off guard a little bit, did it not?

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Speaker 3: Yes, it did, Thank you, Jake, it did. I wasn't

679
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Speaker 3: expecting it.

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Speaker 6: It was very nice and Greg and our crew to

681
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Speaker 6: want to mention it. It was a little uncomfortable for

682
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Speaker 6: me because I've always said, you know, people don't tune in.

683
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 6: It's not about us. They don't tune in to watch

684
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Speaker 6: us the announcers. They tuned in to watch the game.

685
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 6: So I've always tried never to make it about myself.

686
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 6: But in that instance, I guess I could allow it

687
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 6: because you know, it wasn't my choice, but.

688
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Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

689
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Speaker 6: You know, it was very heartfelt from Greg. He and

690
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 6: I have become really close friends, and I think he

691
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 6: was happier for me about the whole thing than I was,

692
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Speaker 6: So it was a nice moment. I did try to

693
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Speaker 6: kind of steer it quickly back to the game, but

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Speaker 6: it was nice to them, and I appreciate you bringing

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Speaker 6: it up too well.

696
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Speaker 1: It was a well earned otter, no question about that.

697
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: I want to get to the matchup here, and before

698
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Speaker 1: we go back to kind of revisit the Oregon game

699
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: for Indiana fans that might be unfamiliar. You know, Miami

700
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Speaker 1: is obviously an illustrious program, but coming out of the

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Speaker 1: ACC you know, not as much discussion about them after

702
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Speaker 1: the Notre Dame game at the beginning of the year

703
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Speaker 1: from a local standpoint, I simply mean, but you saw

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Speaker 1: them against Texas A and m Can you kind of

705
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Speaker 1: preview for folks or let Indiana fans know the strength

706
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Speaker 1: of what they're going up against with the Hurricanes.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think the number one strength is their play

708
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Speaker 6: along both lines of scrimmage. Jam matter of fact, when

709
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Speaker 6: we did that season opener in Miami against Notre Dame,

710
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Speaker 6: the Notre Dame was considered to have one of the

711
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Speaker 6: best offensive lines in the country coming in.

712
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Speaker 3: To the season, and.

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Speaker 6: You know that night they really got out played by

714
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Speaker 6: the deep line. Now you can understand why when you've

715
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Speaker 6: watched Miami play since, particularly in this playoff. I mean,

716
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Speaker 6: they have two defensive ends in Baine and Mesidor who

717
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Speaker 6: are going to be first round picks and are probably

718
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Speaker 6: moving up on draft boards with the way they've played.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I.

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Speaker 6: Think that's the biggest strength of Miami. They have a

721
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Speaker 6: bunch of other strengths too. I think they're very well coached. Obviously,

722
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Speaker 6: they have a veteran quarterback who I think is also

723
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 6: a nice comeback story in Carson Beck and what.

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Speaker 3: He's accomplished this year. You know, they're capable of winning.

725
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Speaker 6: It's just hard, you know, when you watch the surgical

726
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Speaker 6: precision with which Indiana is annihilating good teams like Alabama

727
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Speaker 6: and Oregon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I said at one point during the

730
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Speaker 6: game Friday night, you wonder, as we were going to

731
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Speaker 6: the half, you wonder what the Miami Hurricanes they're thinking

732
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Speaker 6: watching this right now.

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Speaker 3: But they're a good team.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's just hard because Indiana, as we talked

735
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Speaker 6: about a lot the other night, doesn't beat itself.

736
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Speaker 3: So you know, you have to play.

737
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Speaker 6: You know, you'd have to play your best anyway to

738
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Speaker 6: beat a team like Indiana, but you.

739
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Speaker 3: Rather do it because they're not going to hand you

740
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Speaker 3: the game, that's for sure.

741
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Speaker 1: You know. It's one of the things about Indiana to

742
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Speaker 1: your point, Sean, and you are correct. I have said,

743
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Speaker 1: it's almost like the blueprint for Indiana is, look, we're

744
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: just gonna go out and not make mistakes, and then

745
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Speaker 1: that way, if you make a mistake, then we win

746
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Speaker 1: because you made a mistake and we didn't. I mean,

747
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Speaker 1: it seems like that's their mantra going in, right. Is

748
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Speaker 1: Miami a team that is susceptible to lapses or turnovers?

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Speaker 7: Uh?

750
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, But I don't think alarmingly.

751
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Speaker 3: So you know, I think if you are, you don't

752
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Speaker 3: get to this point.

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Speaker 6: Matter of fact, I was kind of surprised Texas A

754
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 6: and m I believe they were something like minus state

755
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 6: or minus nine when we had them, which would be

756
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Speaker 6: unusual for a playoff team in terms.

757
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Speaker 3: Of the turnover march.

758
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Speaker 6: And so you know they have You know, Malachi Tony

759
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 6: is their terrific freshman wide receiver. He's put the ball

760
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Speaker 6: on the ground a couple of times in this playoff,

761
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Speaker 6: notably the other night in their win against Old Minutes.

762
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Speaker 6: It bounce back to them, but I don't think they're

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Speaker 6: going to be a big turnover team. They did manage

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Speaker 6: to win the game in the semi finals despite committing

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Speaker 6: ten penalties, which really helped people missing it because I thought,

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Speaker 6: I think most people thought Miami really controlled the place

767
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Speaker 6: for most of it. I believe the time of possession

768
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Speaker 6: was something like forty two minutes.

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Speaker 3: So they're a very good team. But if you're waiting

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Speaker 3: for Indiana to.

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Speaker 6: Help you by turning the ball over getting a lot

772
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Speaker 6: of penalties, you're.

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Speaker 3: Just not going to do it.

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Speaker 1: Sean McDonough is my guest Java House Peel and poor

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Speaker 1: guest line. Of course. He is the National Sports Broadcaster

776
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Speaker 1: of the Year and Sportscaster of the Year on ESPN.

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Speaker 1: He was on the call for Indiana and Oregon. Sean,

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Speaker 1: the front fod defensively of Miami. From when I have

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Speaker 1: seen them, and I've watched them, you know, off and

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Speaker 1: on throughout the course of the year, that front foward

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Speaker 1: defensively for Miami looks pretty nasty from what I can tell.

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Speaker 1: Who has the better defensive line, Indiana or Miami.

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Speaker 3: Well, I would.

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Speaker 6: I would say if there's one place where Miami would

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Speaker 6: have the edge, it's probably there to diminish the quality

786
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Speaker 6: of the Indiana defensive line.

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Speaker 3: I think we saw how disruptive they could.

788
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Speaker 6: Be the other night, you know, collectively, not just the

789
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Speaker 6: defensive line for Indiana, but with how well coached they

790
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 6: are and with the pressures they bring from time to time.

791
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Speaker 3: You know, they lose Steven daily.

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Speaker 6: And then in Dukewake jumps in, I think he had

793
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 6: had eight or nine tackles the whole year.

794
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 3: He wound up being one of the stars of the game,

795
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 3: had a couple sacks blocked the front.

796
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Speaker 6: So you know, there's strengthened numbers in that Indiana defensive line.

797
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Speaker 6: But I don't think anybody in the country has as

798
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Speaker 6: good an offense a defensive line as Miami.

799
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Speaker 3: As we said, Reuben Bain.

800
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Speaker 6: And Messidor are going to be, you know, two first

801
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 6: round picks, and you know they're dangerous too because they're

802
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 6: not just end Sometimes they'll move them inside, sometimes they

803
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 6: line up next to each other. Cory who's the defensive

804
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 6: coordinator from Miami, has done a great job.

805
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: He's in his first year there.

806
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 6: He basically cut the points per game in half. I

807
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 6: mean last year they had the number one offense in

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Speaker 6: the country.

809
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 3: They had Cam Warred a quarterback.

810
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Speaker 6: You wound up being the picking the NFL draft, but

811
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Speaker 6: the defense wasn't strong enough to get them into the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: You know, this year they're much better defensively, but yeah,

813
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Speaker 3: i'd give the edge there. Now. You know, Indiana has

814
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Speaker 3: a terrific.

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Speaker 6: Offensive line, so it'll be a great test. There are

816
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Speaker 6: Joe Moore Award finalists, as you know, Jake, and then

817
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 6: the other.

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Speaker 3: Part of it is is you know they just do

819
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 3: so great a job Indiana getting the ball out quickly.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

821
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Speaker 3: Mendoza doesn't hold on to the ball.

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Speaker 6: You know, he throws it quickly and if you can't

823
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 6: find somebody, he tries to pull it down and run.

824
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Speaker 6: And I think that's a part of his game that's

825
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 6: now finally starting to get enough attention. His ability to

826
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 6: hurt you when he pulls it down and runs are

827
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 6: on the very occasional design run.

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Speaker 1: I understand, Sean. You know the five star high school

829
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: players that are elite level talents. You know you're always

830
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Speaker 1: going to want those players. That's never going to go away.

831
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Speaker 1: But when you look at Indiana and the number of transfers,

832
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Speaker 1: the number of fifth and sixtier players that are there,

833
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: and Kurt Signetti going with you know, production over potential,

834
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Speaker 1: and then you look at Miami for that matter, with

835
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Speaker 1: a guy that's in what his sixth season, you know,

836
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: and back at the quarterback position as well. Is this

837
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: kind of a boulder in the stream, maybe temporarily, but

838
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Speaker 1: in terms of blueprint of building a program, the way

839
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: that the transfer portal has taken place for Indiana.

840
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it is a blueprint.

841
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 6: A blue print's part of me, and I think it

842
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 6: got accelerated obviously by the fact that he was able

843
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 6: to bring her team terrific football players with him from

844
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Speaker 6: James Madison. Matter fact, I think it's probably been undertold

845
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 6: what a great job Bob Chesney did the last two

846
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 6: years at James Madison, given that, you know, he took

847
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 6: over what's been a really strong program.

848
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 3: It was under.

849
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Speaker 6: Signetti and it was before Kirk got the JMU. It's

850
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 6: actually probably the only place of the four that Kirk

851
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 6: coach has been the head coach where they were actually

852
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 6: in good shape before he got there. And the passive job,

853
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 6: obviously JMU was in the playoffs this year. But yeah,

854
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 6: I think the transfer portal it has to be a blend.

855
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 6: You have to recruit high school players and do well

856
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 6: with that. But I think you need to identify the

857
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 6: right people in the portal, and you need to have

858
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 6: the money to go out and get them, because that's

859
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 6: really the deciding thing. You know, most of these guys

860
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 6: now are just transferring to wherever.

861
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 3: They're going to get the most most money.

862
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 6: Sure are coming out of high school at a place

863
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 6: where they think they can get the most money. So

864
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 6: you have to have donors so willing to give you

865
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,479
Speaker 6: the money, and then you need.

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00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 3: To spend it on the right people. And you know

867
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Speaker 3: Indiana has all of that.

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Speaker 1: Lastly, Sean and I appreciate the time from a national perspective.

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00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: You know, we in Indiana. I went to Indiana, you know,

870
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 1: I was a student there back in the days of

871
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: you know, going to the pull on weed Eater Independence

872
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: ball was worthy of buying a T shirt about it, right,

873
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: So you know this, as Don Fisher said, turnarounds almost

874
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 1: not even a big enough word, but this storyline in

875
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: Indiana we are completely caught up in, like just the

876
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: unbelievable nature of it from a national standpoint, From a

877
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: national perspective, what is the overall I guess, just absorption

878
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: of this Indiana tale and is there anything by which

879
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: you can compare?

880
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 6: Uh No to answer the last part of that first.

881
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 6: And you know, we talked in our production meeting about that.

882
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 6: I talked to our researchers. I asked the terrific Indiana

883
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 6: sports information people in our meetings with them, because I'm

884
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 6: sure you know, they've been asked for comparisons or they've

885
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 6: done research into it, you know. And they pointed to

886
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 6: what Bill Snyder did at Kansas State. You know, they

887
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 6: were the worst football program in college football. He made

888
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 6: them a consistent winner, but it wasn't overnight, you know.

889
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 6: And Wisconsin they pointed at before Barry Albarez got there,

890
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 6: it was down. But it still isn't like this, And

891
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 6: you know, I think America is captivated by it. And

892
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 6: you know, it's ordinarily when you have a blowout, you know,

893
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 6: we don't enjoy that in TV. It's you know, like

894
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 6: a competitive game everybody does and makes our job a

895
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 6: little easier. But it didn't really bother me the other

896
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 6: night because I just think it became an appreciation of

897
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 6: the excellence of the Indiana football program.

898
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 3: And you know, and we tried to chronicle all the.

899
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 6: Facets of that, not just signetti, but you know, he

900
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 6: has a terrific staff, those coordinators to be with him

901
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 6: at every stop. They're a huge part of it, as

902
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 6: are the other assistant coaches, all the support people, the

903
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 6: support of the administration.

904
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 3: I mean, that's one of the.

905
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 6: Reasons Seg went there is he did believe that they

906
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 6: would be committed to trying to have an outstanding football

907
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 6: program and not just be a basketball school. And obviously

908
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 6: the fans are a big part of it, the way

909
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 6: they took over the other night. Fernando Mendoza, I don't

910
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 6: think America can get enough of him and.

911
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 3: His story and how gracious to see. You know, he

912
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 3: is living in.

913
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 6: The magnitude of his celebrity right now and obviously raised

914
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 6: right by wonderful parents. You know, it's such a heartfelt

915
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 6: story when you know, we kept having shots and the

916
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 6: commercials of the dad helping his mom, Missus Mendoza put

917
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 6: her sweater on or take it back off, and you know, it's.

918
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 3: Just the whole thing. It's a wonderful story. And we'll

919
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 3: see if they.

920
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 6: Can write the final chapter by having the undefeated season

921
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 6: and Mendoza's home town.

922
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: Just remember, Sean, if Indiana goes sixteen and oh, the

923
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: first team to win sixteen games in the season in

924
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: college football. If they go sixteen and oh, all they

925
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: have to do, Sean, all in Indiana has to do

926
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: is go sixteen and oh for another eleven consecutive seasons

927
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: and then in year twelve start seven to oh and

928
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: they'll be back to a game over five hundred as

929
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: a program.

930
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 3: Wasn't that something? I mean, you know, I think we

931
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 3: said the thing the other night.

932
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 6: There three and zero against top five teams and before

933
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 6: this year one in seventy two, So I mean it's done.

934
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 3: Well. They're so madmy.

935
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 6: You can spend all day going through notes and stuff

936
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 6: like that. If somebody sent me a meme, and you

937
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 6: might have seen talking to Tom Osborne and saying, hey.

938
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 3: You know you're not going to believe this. Right now,

939
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 3: Indiana is.

940
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 6: A football school and Nebraska has become a basketball all

941
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 6: of a sudden.

942
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: I know that's crazy, that's never crazy.

943
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 6: But it's a great story and I'm happy for all

944
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 6: the people involved. A lot of hard work's gone into

945
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 6: it a lot of.

946
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 3: Really nice people.

947
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 6: They're really a pleasure to talk to their coaching staff

948
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 6: and players the other day when we were in Atlanta,

949
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 6: and I'm happy for all their success.

950
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: Well, Sean, we certainly appreciate you making time for us today,

951
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: and again, congratulations on understandably and rightly being named the

952
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,240
Speaker 1: national sportscaster of the Year. Great call for Indiana fans

953
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: in that game against Oregon. Certainly appreciate it.

954
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 3: Thank you, Jake, my pleasure.

955
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Sean McDonald joining US Indiana on their way

956
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: to Miami. And when you think about making the pilgrimage,

957
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: paying the ticket prices, sitting in the sun in Miami gardens,

958
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: maybe it'll be in the rain. But you know what,

959
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: the Colts won a Super Bowl in the rain in Miami, Indiana.

960
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: It was raining in Atlanta before they played Oregon. It

961
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: was raining in the Rose Bowl before they played Alabama.

962
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: So if it rains, that's also good news. But a

963
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: guy that sat through plenty of rain storms, snowstorms, cloudy days,

964
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 1: dark days with Indiana football. The former Indianapolis Star columnist

965
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: Bill Benner joining us on the Java House. Peel and

966
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: poor guest line Bill are you on Cloud eight or

967
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: Cloud seven or still hanging around on Cloud nine.

968
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 7: No, I think it's about Cloud fourteen. Right now where

969
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 7: he was, it would be Cloud fifteen.

970
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: There you go, soon to be Cloud sixteen, right.

971
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, we certainly hoped so, and I've told other people.

972
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 7: Even I was a former wordsmith, I still ran out

973
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 7: of words to describe what I've witnessed, to capture the

974
00:49:55,320 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 7: essence of this incredible rags to Rich's story. Unlike any

975
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 7: maybe any ever in the world of certainly in the

976
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 7: world of collegiate sport it's in college football. There's nothing

977
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 7: I think can't compare, especially if Indiana closes it out.

978
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: Okay, are you going by the way to Miami, Bill.

979
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 7: Yes, sir, we have. I actually booked flights a couple

980
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:27,959
Speaker 7: of weeks ago, and so we're fine in Fort Lauderdale,

981
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 7: in and out of Fort Lauderdale, leave Saturday, and come

982
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 7: back on peesday.

983
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's get to this. And I wanted to

984
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: have you on because and I know that we can

985
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: sit here and talk and we will about what Indiana

986
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: has done to get to this point. But I want

987
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 1: to further elaborate because I don't know that we can

988
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: overstate where it is that they were and why it

989
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: is so incredible. What was the first year bill when

990
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: you attended an Indiana football game?

991
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 7: Nineteen sixty four. I was a out more on the

992
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 7: Center Grove band, in the Center Grove band, and they

993
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 7: had bandaid, and so that was my first first IU

994
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 7: football game. I believe it was a met American. It

995
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 7: might have been my own Ohio that Indiana played. It

996
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 7: was a sunsplash day. It was I've always and again

997
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 7: not to sacrifice my objectivity when I was a columnist,

998
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 7: but my farm house growing up sent on a small

999
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 7: block that overlooked Indiana thirty seven. The first team that

1000
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 7: I could remember listening to on the radio was the

1001
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 7: nineteen fifty three National Championship Poosiers. I was five, five

1002
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 7: or six years old, six years old, and so I

1003
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 7: always wanted to go to I always wanted to go

1004
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 7: to IU, and that was never in doubt. I didn't

1005
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 7: have any money, and so I ended up at the

1006
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 7: IU Extension, the four runner to IUPUI in the first

1007
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 7: two years. That turned out to be an incredible break because,

1008
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 7: as you know, Jake, I got a start as the

1009
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 7: scoreboy at the Endianapolistar, and certainly thereafter I was able

1010
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 7: to move over to the sports department and begin my

1011
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 7: sports journalism career. I finished my last two years down

1012
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 7: in Bloomington and certainly went every football game that I

1013
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 7: could continue to go to football games as I covered

1014
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 7: high schools and the Pacers. But then when I became

1015
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 7: a and covered intercollegiate athletics that included Peru and the

1016
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 7: Notre Dame in Ball State and Nan State whomever. Certainly,

1017
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 7: during that period and when I became columnist, my infatuation

1018
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 7: with Indiana football and certainly my objectivity, my situation decreased

1019
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 7: and my objectivity increased proportionally.

1020
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 1: What was the lowest point, Oh boy.

1021
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 7: There's been so many of them, I recall, and I

1022
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 7: may have really to this to year before Indy had

1023
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 7: a loss to Rutgers. This was about, I don't know,

1024
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 7: fifteen twenty sixteen, and Rutgers was nothing to talk about it.

1025
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 3: But it was like.

1026
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 7: Fifty eight to fifty five or something like that, and

1027
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 7: Indiana blown the lead and I got into the car

1028
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 7: and gone, God love Don Fisher, as we all do.

1029
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 7: But I turned to Sherry and I said, we are

1030
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 7: not listening to any of the postgame and we are

1031
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 7: turning off the radio and we are driving in silence

1032
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 7: till at least we get the four sixty five because

1033
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 7: I just I was so pissed, I was so aggravated,

1034
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 7: and so we just sat in silence all the way.

1035
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 7: But there are a number of times when Sherry Knife

1036
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 7: looked at each other on the way home from another

1037
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 7: just hardering defeat and we would just go, why do

1038
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 7: we do this? Well, the reason why is because it's

1039
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 7: become part of our lives, and we have friends. I

1040
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 7: told you about the Ontom friends and postseason taken older

1041
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 7: I have from Connersville. This is this is because it's

1042
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 7: become part of our lives. So you take the take,

1043
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 7: you cherish the winds uh, and you hope for after

1044
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 7: the losses, you hope for a better game next week,

1045
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 7: and you just kind of ride with it.

1046
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: I was talking earlier. Bill Benner's my guest. He's on

1047
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,280
Speaker 1: the Java House Peel and poor guest Line, the former

1048
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Star columnist, And is it okay if I call

1049
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: you Indiana football super fan in your retired life, Bill,

1050
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 1: is that okay?

1051
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 3: Well?

1052
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.

1053
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: I was talking to Sean mcdonne about this. And you

1054
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 1: know I mentioned earlier, Bill, and I want you to

1055
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 1: tell me if you disagree with this, Okay, because maybe

1056
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: I'm grass being at a straw here. I'm the same

1057
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: high school graduating class as the Fab Five at Michigan, Okay,

1058
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: Juwan Howard, Chris Weber, Jalen Rose, Ray Jackson, Jimmy King.

1059
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: And not only were they revolutionary or groundbreaking, I guess

1060
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 1: is a better way of saying it, because of the

1061
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: baggy shorts and the black socks, but it was the

1062
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: fact that it was unique and almost it was unprecedented

1063
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: to see five freshmen take college basketball by storm and

1064
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: have success immediately go to the championship game as freshmen.

1065
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: It just was so unheard of and that led to

1066
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: even though we were already kind of there, but that

1067
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 1: led to then the you know, the five star recruiting cap,

1068
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: putting the cap on and all of that, and in

1069
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:48,479
Speaker 1: recruiting services and et cetera. Are we seeing now, Bill,

1070
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: Is it possible that what we're seeing is a watershed

1071
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 1: moment in terms of the architecture of college football because

1072
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 1: Kurt Signetti has said, at this point, I don't have

1073
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: the five star recruits. So I'm going with productivity over potential,

1074
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: and I'm going to go out and build a roster

1075
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: in the transfer portal era of guys that have maturity, discipline,

1076
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: and experience. And we are seeing the fruits of that

1077
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: labor with this veteran team, even though they didn't all

1078
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 1: play together. Mature team. Is this now going to be

1079
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 1: the blueprint that will be copycatted around college football?

1080
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 7: Well, it would be copy candid if you could, but

1081
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 7: not everybody will be able to do so, you know,

1082
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 7: I think the nil the portal area is still evolving. Absolutely.

1083
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 7: Indiana has struck it beyond rich with Signetti and his

1084
00:56:51,040 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 7: staff and his character development and his identification not just

1085
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 7: a football player, a physical football player, but of the

1086
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 7: character of that young man and the character that can

1087
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 7: lead to an untapped potential. I think that's what we've

1088
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 7: seen up and down this roster. Charlie Becker, I mean,

1089
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 7: Charlie Becker would be a classic example of a young man. Well,

1090
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 7: and we talk about mentilitas, but a young man who

1091
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 7: is over mostly overlooked, and the Signetti has and his

1092
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,919
Speaker 7: staff and whoever has made the initial contact with these

1093
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 7: young fellas, they've They've identified the character that again allows

1094
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 7: for the development of that untapped potential. And and you know,

1095
00:57:54,480 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 7: so what are other programs such as such as well

1096
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 7: which seemed some at Vanderbilt. Other perennial losers can can

1097
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 7: use this model to drag themselves up. You know, I

1098
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 7: read a story today about Mike Bulbinski talking about Peru

1099
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 7: and how Peru this is the this is the model

1100
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 7: that we need to see if we can tap into

1101
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 7: this kind of model at Perue, so Indiana, it's easy

1102
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 7: to say, yes, I'm going to copy what Indiana has done.

1103
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 7: It will be farm less, easy and less widespread in

1104
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 7: the teams and programs that are able to do it.

1105
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: Bill, when's the last time you cried in sport? When's

1106
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: the last time a sporting of it made you cry?

1107
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 7: Well?

1108
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 4: Rose Ball?

1109
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't.

1110
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 7: I did not get emotional at the Page Bowl because

1111
00:58:55,640 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 7: it was it was such a bud catching nothing, nothing, nothing.

1112
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 7: The Alabama wasn't about kicking. But I the specter of

1113
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 7: the Rose Bowl and the fact that I'd never been

1114
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 7: there was a fan I covered. In fact, I covered

1115
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 7: Perdue when they played there in two thousand and one,

1116
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 7: and I covered five or six Rose Bowls. But as

1117
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 7: that game ended, and the environment of the Rose Bowl

1118
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 7: and the fact that Indiana had beaten Alabama so soundly,

1119
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 7: and all the IU fans around me enjoying and cherishing

1120
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 7: that same moment, including my wife sitting next to me,

1121
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 7: I will get emotional as I talk about this, my

1122
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 7: wife and the close friends sitting next to me.

1123
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1124
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 7: I got emotional at the end of the Rose Bowl.

1125
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 7: And I also got emotional at the end of the

1126
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 7: Big Ten Championship game when when they when they beat

1127
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 7: in Ohio State and we knew then by being Ohio State,

1128
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 7: we were going to return to the Roads Bowl for

1129
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 7: the first time since I was a teenager.

1130
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: Well, listen, I cry just by watching Ohio State fans cry.

1131
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: So that was cool, right, I mean, you know what

1132
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: I mean. So that was that was an automatic to

1133
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: happen in that situation. Bill Benner, my guest job the

1134
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: house peel and poor guest line. So, Bill, I think

1135
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: it's safe to say then if Indiana is to finish

1136
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: this off, and I think they will, but there's a

1137
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: game to be played, you will cry like a baby. Correct,

1138
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: Not sure.

1139
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 7: I'll cry like a baby, but I'm sure I will

1140
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 7: well up with tears. But you know, I tell everybody

1141
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 7: I never looked further ahead than the next player the

1142
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 7: next kickoff, and so I'm not looking any further ahead

1143
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 7: then the opening kickoff against Miami on their home field,

1144
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 7: even though in Indiana will be home team. And I

1145
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 7: certainly respect Miami and what they have accomplished, just as

1146
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 7: I respect to Alabama, and I respected Ohio State, and

1147
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 7: I respected uh that that team or the organ Ducks

1148
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 7: that showed up on Saturday night so or Friday nights.

1149
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 7: So I I don't allow myself to get too far

1150
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 7: down the road. Uh, but if that moment comes, I

1151
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 7: will certainly be emotional.

1152
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: If you got to pick, Bill, I thought about this,

1153
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: and I have a conflicting answer here. If you got

1154
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,919
Speaker 1: to pick, because they've worn so many different ones over

1155
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: the course of the last handful of years. If they

1156
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: came to you and they said, Bill Betterer, longtime football supporter,

1157
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: we are going to allow you to select which jersey

1158
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,959
Speaker 1: and which helmet Indiana wares in the National Championship game.

1159
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: Which vintage are you going with?

1160
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 7: Well, I would go to the current vintage. I love

1161
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 7: I like I love our uniforms.

1162
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 3: Uh.

1163
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,439
Speaker 7: That the fact that they say who's yours on front?

1164
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 7: I like these helmets with the IU, and so yeah,

1165
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 7: I would be more than fine with the current.

1166
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: Ventagf because we all go back to like, you know,

1167
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: I get nostalgic from a childhood standpoint, and I think about,

1168
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: you know, the even the Anthony Thompson era, the true

1169
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: crimson with the white eye on it, and then Hoosiers

1170
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: on the jersey, and then I also like, even in

1171
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: the Corso era, the more like cherry red with the

1172
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: white eye. And then I think to myself, but this

1173
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: is a different culture and a different atmosphere and a

1174
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: different attitude of Indiana football. So you got to go

1175
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: with what's worked, right, You got to go with the

1176
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: variation of the current. So I understand that I did

1177
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 1: want to ask you this before we let you go. Bill.

1178
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: You know, much has been made and much will be

1179
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: made about the fact that Indiana has a chance to

1180
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: be the first sixteen to oh team in college football.

1181
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 1: They will be the most recent undefeated if they were

1182
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: to win, and of course the last team to do

1183
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: that in basketball is the seventy six, and this the

1184
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: fifty year mark of that that team was unblemished. In

1185
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: the seventy five regular season, and so there was a

1186
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 1: lot of expectation. I'm sure you know, I was just

1187
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: a kid then, But I am curious by your recollection.

1188
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: How much was the undefeated nature discussed for the seventy

1189
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: six basketball team throughout the course of the year, And

1190
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: how big was it in anticipation going into that final

1191
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: against Michigan of the thirty two to zero or was

1192
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: there even the expectation that in twenty twenty six we

1193
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 1: would still be talking about that being the last one?

1194
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 1: Was it that incredibly unique coming off of the UCLA

1195
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:39,439
Speaker 1: dynasty and everything else.

1196
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 7: Well, you know, again, going back in history, they should

1197
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 7: have won it all on seventy five, and had Scott

1198
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 7: May not broken this arm, because that team was as

1199
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 7: many people have speculated over the years, that team might

1200
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 7: have been a little bit better than even the seventy sixteen.

1201
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 7: But you know, and God, Jake, I'm so blessed. Like

1202
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 7: Donald Fishing, I was there. I got to write the

1203
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 7: sidebar for the didn't Apo star in nineteen seventy six

1204
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 7: when Indiana closed up that perfect basketball season. Uh, And

1205
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 7: so I now I'm going to be, you know, there

1206
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 7: as they maybe close out this perfect football season fifty

1207
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 7: years later. How how blessed and fortunate I am to

1208
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 7: have those two events happen within my lifetime and to

1209
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 7: have been personally involved in witness. I mean, it's it's

1210
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 7: it makes my heart. So you talk about getting emotional, Jake, Yeah,

1211
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 7: that the talk of that gets me emotional. But the

1212
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 7: seventy back to the seventy sixteen, it was I don't

1213
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 7: want to say it was expected. They barely survived the

1214
01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 7: Michigan Thank goodness for Wayne Radford and Kennon Benson. Uh

1215
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 7: uh in some way home, But that was that team

1216
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 7: was so good, so good. I used to say that,

1217
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 7: tell people that Bobby Wilferson and and and Quinn Buckner

1218
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 7: would pick up pick you up in Martinsville and guarded

1219
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 7: you all the way to Bedford. Uh, and Ken Benson

1220
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 7: and Scotti. May I mean that that team had all

1221
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 7: the components. And even though we had our disagreements, this

1222
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 7: history woun unfold. Bob Knight was was a hull of

1223
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 7: the coach, and he was Bob Knight. So but if

1224
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 7: that was more or less expected, Uh, if you can

1225
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 7: expect an unbeaten season, this had this what has transpired? Uh,

1226
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 7: again for an Indiana football program that, as many have

1227
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 7: pointed out, was prior to the season, the lizziness in

1228
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 7: college maker college history. For them to evolve this fast,

1229
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,439
Speaker 7: uh and become the number one team in the nation

1230
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 7: twenty twenty five and two under Signetti, it's just the

1231
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 7: one again. The worksman has no words.

1232
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: I would imagine that it has to be fewer than fifty.

1233
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 1: I'm just going to throw that number out. The number

1234
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: of people that will be able to say should Indiana

1235
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 1: close this out. I don't want to jinx anything, but

1236
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: the number of people that would have been physically in

1237
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 1: attendance in the spectrum in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania on March twenty

1238
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 1: ninth of seventy six when Indiana defeated Michigan eighty six

1239
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 1: sixty eight to go thirty two and oh, and the

1240
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 1: number of people that would be there to see the

1241
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: football team do the same fifty years later has to

1242
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 1: be I'd go fewer than fifty. But nonetheless, Bill beinner there. Bill,

1243
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I'm not going to say when

1244
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 1: I will say if Indiana wins, we look forward to

1245
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: talking to you next week and getting you all choked

1246
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: up into a blubbering mess talking about the Indiana Whos

1247
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 1: as the national champions.

1248
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 7: I'll be there for you, Jake, and again, I'm so

1249
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 7: honored that you would think of me and have me

1250
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 7: on and.

1251
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Bill Bill Better joining us