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Speaker 1: Live from Vaal Hartliner and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 1: And here we are day number twenty two of the shutdown.

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Speaker 2: And I didn't know how I should approach this.

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Speaker 1: Should I approach this in just, you know, straight newsman

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Speaker 1: kind of way and be like, well, here we.

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Speaker 2: Are, day number twenty two of the government.

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Speaker 1: Shutdown, and of course the Democrats and Republicans have a

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Speaker 1: lot to say, and then just play some you know,

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Speaker 1: the everyday stuff about who's blaming who, Like, here's Republicans

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Speaker 1: blaming Democrats.

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Speaker 3: Do you agree that the President should not meet with

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Speaker 3: Democrats until the government is open or would it be

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Speaker 3: more helpful since we were twenty one days into this

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Speaker 3: for him to get.

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Speaker 4: In a room with Senator Truck Shimmer.

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Speaker 2: I totally agree with the president.

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Speaker 5: He absolutely cannot meet with the Democrat until they quit

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Speaker 5: holding the shutdown. In bands, they have to eliminate the shutdown,

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Speaker 5: and then the President is more than willing to come

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Speaker 5: in and sit down and visit Republican leadership. Both sides

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Speaker 5: are ready to set down and to work on the

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Speaker 5: issues that we all care about. But you can't do

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Speaker 5: it when you're holding the government hostage when you're holding

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Speaker 5: people hostage.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, that's the standard fair there from the Republicans.

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Speaker 1: We know this, and I happen to agree with them.

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Speaker 1: And then of course you have the standard fare from

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Speaker 1: Hakim Jeffries.

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Speaker 6: We're gonna win in Virginia, We're gonna win in New

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Speaker 6: Jersey because the American people are fed up that Republicans

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Speaker 6: would rather spend time on vacation on the golf course,

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Speaker 6: give forty billion dollars to a foreign entity, and can't

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Speaker 6: find resources to extend the Affordable Care Act tax credits

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Speaker 6: days away from November one and the open enrollment period.

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you,

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Speaker 1: my good lord.

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Speaker 2: That's the standard fair stuff. The New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: Race is going to be won by the Democrats because

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Speaker 1: of the shutdown, silliest silliest nonsense ever. So we can

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Speaker 1: approach it that way, or we could just say the

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Speaker 1: shutdown continues and it's the end of civilization as we

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Speaker 1: know it.

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Speaker 2: My god, Okay, it's happening. Everybody say, what's the procedure?

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 4: Holy crap?

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Speaker 1: I am freaking out, freaking out, indeed, except nobody's freaking out.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's freaking out. Instead, This is much less like a

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Speaker 1: news story and much less of a freak out, and

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Speaker 1: much more.

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Speaker 2: Of a soap opera. Back in Washington, d C. The

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Speaker 2: shutdown continues.

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Speaker 1: Hakim, feeling like a jilted lover, goes to his Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party and says, trust me, trust me, I say we

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Speaker 1: can win this one. Chuck all sorts of beat up

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Speaker 1: and worrying about Alexandria. Cassia Cortes in his rear view,

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Speaker 1: trying to take his job, says to him, Hakim, don't

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Speaker 1: you know we've lost men.

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Speaker 2: We've lost already in me. My career is over. I

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Speaker 2: don't even know how to grilla cheeseburger? Hakim? What will

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Speaker 2: I do? What will I do?

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Speaker 1: I assume it sounded something like that, right, That would

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Speaker 1: be the soap opera version of the whole thing. It

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Speaker 1: is quite remarkable how much nobody cares, even though there

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Speaker 1: are definitely people who get affected. It's full hardy to

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Speaker 1: think no one gets affected. It's that you may not

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Speaker 1: know everybody who gets affected. You may not know anybody's

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Speaker 1: get affected. I said this on Sean Spicer's show, and

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Speaker 1: I took some heat. I know someone who gets affected.

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Speaker 1: Listen to me carefully, you might. The odds are you

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Speaker 1: don't know anybody. I know people whose kids or other

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Speaker 1: relatives they're not getting paid. I'm sorry for them, but

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Speaker 1: none of this is my fault, and there's really absolutely

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Speaker 1: nothing I can do about it. My senators are voting

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Speaker 1: for the continuing Resolution. Tell Democrats to do the same

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Speaker 1: and let's move on.

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Speaker 2: But they won't do it.

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Speaker 1: There was this real kind of interesting conversation that this

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Speaker 1: was all going to come to an end after the

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Speaker 1: No Kings rallies, that everything was just to lead up

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Speaker 1: to Noing's event because they want to have a big,

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Speaker 1: big showing, and then after that it was gonna be like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we'll vote for the Continuing Resolution and we'll claim that

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Speaker 1: We'll just claim that there's a win and we'll vote

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Speaker 1: for the Continuing Resolution. We'll fight on this in a

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Speaker 1: month and that'll be it. But yet it hasn't done that.

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Speaker 1: So that is a level of conventional wisdom that hasn't

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Speaker 1: larger scale conversation, the larger scale question for us is

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Speaker 1: exactly how long can this be kept up? Exactly how

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Speaker 1: long till people start caring? Exactly what has to happen

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Speaker 1: for a level of pain to be felt? And the

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Speaker 1: answer is, I don't. I don't know, because if you

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Speaker 1: listen to President Trump, he's having a ball beating up

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Speaker 7: He would be I would say, he would be the

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Speaker 7: leader of the party. He's not humor Schumer shot.

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Speaker 4: He shot.

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Speaker 7: This poor guy feels sorry from my not him for

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Speaker 7: a long time, but he's I think he's mentally gone.

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Speaker 7: He's been beat up by young radical lunatics. And I

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Speaker 7: think Chuck Schumer is he's gun. I really do. I

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Speaker 7: think he's probably not going to run. It shows that

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Speaker 7: he's losing in every poll.

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Speaker 4: Now this is hard. You know, he wants to meet

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Speaker 4: with me.

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Speaker 2: Sort of hard to be with the guy after I.

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Speaker 7: Make a savement like that. But I'm just giving you

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Speaker 7: the facts. I think Chuck is probably finished. I know

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Speaker 7: some people Democrats that would be good, some good politicians

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Speaker 7: and some you know, reasonable people, but I understand that

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Speaker 7: they would not have a chance of, you know, getting

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Speaker 7: even the concept of holding the torch.

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Speaker 8: They're not going to get it.

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Speaker 2: But they have some people that I really believe.

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Speaker 7: They're low IQ people, they're stupid people, and they seem

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Speaker 7: to be leading the body.

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Speaker 1: Does that sound like a guy who's concerned about the shutdown.

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Speaker 2: That's just it.

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Speaker 1: In order to make the claim that Republicans are losing

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Speaker 1: the shutdown, you actually have to see some concern. But

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Speaker 1: I've got President tromp Okay, maybe that's a bad example.

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Speaker 1: I've got the Center from South Dakota, Mike Grounds. Does

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Speaker 1: he sound concerned? I shared it with you earlier and

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Speaker 1: the answer is no, they're not. The political right is

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Speaker 1: not concerned about the shutdown. Now, maybe as more agencies

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Speaker 1: start having feeling some effects.

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Speaker 2: Maybe this will change.

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Speaker 1: For example, if you put shutdown, I put shutdown into

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Speaker 1: a search engine.

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Speaker 2: You know what came up?

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Speaker 1: US Nuclear Stockpile Agency to lay off hundreds of shutdown

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Speaker 1: continues and this story is four of the top six headlines.

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Speaker 1: Map shows nuclear weapon sites that could be hit by

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Speaker 1: major furloughs. Government shutdown forces furloughs at US Nuclear Agency. Now,

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Speaker 1: of course this is the media. What do you expect?

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Speaker 1: I mean, what possibly do you expect from them that

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Speaker 1: this is, you know, amp up the rhetoric, amp up

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Speaker 1: the screams and the yells and the and the gnashing

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Speaker 2: Teeth, and sell clicks and sell newspapers.

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Speaker 1: Over there at the Hill, there's a story that the

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Speaker 1: Senate Republicans are talking about filibuster reform to end the shutdown.

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Speaker 1: Senate Republicans are increasingly chattering about changing the filibuster rules

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Speaker 1: if Democrats do not end the shutdown, even though John Thune,

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Speaker 1: who's Senate majority leader, says he's opposed to this. So

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Speaker 1: the argument is that you could change the rules because

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Speaker 1: Harry Reid, the Senator from Nevada, who is a terrible person.

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Speaker 2: Showed you how to do it.

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Speaker 1: Change the rules, get rid of the filibuster for this,

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Speaker 1: and Republicans can can reopen the government and it will

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Speaker 2: Democrats want this.

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Speaker 1: They could have stopped this shutdown at any time, but

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Speaker 1: they didn't want to because they wanted you to feel

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Speaker 1: the pain. But we're gonna keep fighting for your healthcare.

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Speaker 1: Oh holy hell. They voted to sunset the subsidies, and

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Speaker 1: now they're claiming Republicans are sunsetting the subsidies and they

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Speaker 1: don't end.

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Speaker 2: They don't.

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Speaker 1: They never stop in their lying, in their in their

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Speaker 1: absolute fraud. They never ever, ever, ever, ever stop just

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Speaker 1: not who they are. But it's an interesting thing about saying, listen,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to change the rules. They have a

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Speaker 1: right to filibuster. You got to convince them. If you

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Speaker 1: take away the filibuster. Now we're gonna see other things

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Speaker 1: I don't know where Republicans really are on this idea.

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Speaker 1: Republicans who have in the past of voice staunch support

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Speaker 1: for preserving the filibuster say that creating a carve out

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Speaker 2: Nobody talked about the filibuster two weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: Now that we see that the Democrats are just not

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Speaker 1: going to agree to anything, then that's probably a viable option.

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Speaker 2: That's Tommy. Is it Tuberville or Tuberville?

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Speaker 1: People always tell me, and I always forget he's the

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Speaker 1: senator from Alabama. I am very okay with the government

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Speaker 1: saying shut down. I'm not trying to be cruel. I'm

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Speaker 1: not trying to be crass. I'm not trying to be uncaring.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that we elected these people to do a job, and.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you lose.

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Speaker 1: And the Democrats have lost recognize is it fight another day?

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Speaker 1: And what they're saying is no, it's okay, No, that's it.

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Speaker 1: What do you want me to do? These people are

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Speaker 1: on and keep piling on that they're keeping it closed.

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Speaker 1: If you remove the filibuster, you're saying that you could

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Speaker 1: have done this at any time, and I believe that

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Speaker 2: Never cared about the country. They could have done this

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Speaker 1: You're saying, then, on the other side, why would we

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Speaker 1: gonna say you're avoiding us. And then we're gonna say, well,

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Speaker 1: you told us to avoid you on the shutdown and

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Speaker 1: on the continuing resolution, and they're gonna say, well, no,

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Speaker 1: we didn't. I mean, it's just gonna be that level

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Speaker 1: of political observation. My argument is one of complete and

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Speaker 1: total exhaustion. You ridiculous children can't figure this out, and

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Speaker 1: I'm supposed to find myself somehow concerned about political futures

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Speaker 1: or or how the politics plays out in the New

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Speaker 1: Jersey and Virginia races. The Virginia governor's race, which I

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Speaker 1: will get into, is very simple. Winsome Earl Sears thinks

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Speaker 1: that boys are boys and girls are girls, and thinks

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Speaker 1: that it's wrong to threaten people's children. Abigail Spamberger, the

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Speaker 1: Democrat running for governor, thinks boys can be girls and

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Speaker 1: that those candidates who threaten children should never once feel

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Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz. Today.

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Speaker 4: To play a very positive role in this.

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Speaker 9: So we're going to keep working at it. I didn't

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Speaker 4: To do great things here. It's not going to be easy.

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Speaker 1: And Jade Vance said something yesterday that I thought was

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Speaker 2: I don't think you can create the peace with a

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Speaker 2: It's about an attitude. We'll get more into it. Keep

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Speaker 1: This is Tony Katz today. We've got a real misunderstanding

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Speaker 1: about the very concept of grace.

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz. Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 1: And when Abigail Spamberger, who is the Democrat running for

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Speaker 1: Today, good to be with you, and now she wants

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Speaker 1: In Virginia, you have the attorney general candidate j Jones,

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Speaker 2: Oh good lord, we're still doing this, and she.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that we see and I mean it's

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Speaker 3: them about this, most of them about this. And I

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Speaker 3: think the reason that we have seen that Republicans continue

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Speaker 3: to use the issue of trans kids or trans kids

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Speaker 3: and sports participation as an attack.

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Speaker 4: Is, you know, there's multiple levels of it. One.

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Speaker 3: I think that broadly speaking, every pundit after the twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four election you know, at least in part attribute

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Speaker 3: the Democratic loss to that one particular ad that spoke about,

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Speaker 3: you know, the sort of infamous.

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Speaker 4: They then add, if you will.

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Speaker 3: And so I think the takeaway from the twenty four

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Speaker 3: election for some folks was that that was, you know,

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Speaker 3: a really potent ad. And you know, certainly my opponent

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Speaker 3: is trying to you know, and even copy some of

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Speaker 3: the language. You know, the notably the quote unquote you

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Speaker 3: know is for the them element of that ad.

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Speaker 1: The ad was effective because the ad perfectly portrayed how

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Speaker 1: America sees this issue. And my gosh, you think this

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Speaker 1: is Republicans on the attack, This is Republicans in the protection.

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Speaker 1: It is the Democrats who are seen as the one

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Speaker 1: engaging in an attack on children, if they're okay with

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Speaker 1: mutilating children and telling young girls in sports to just

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Speaker 1: sit back and take it when a man or a

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Speaker 1: boy replaces them. She's lost this issue and brings up

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Speaker 1: the ad.

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Speaker 2: I think it was.

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Speaker 1: I think it was the White House put it out,

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Speaker 1: or I should say the Trump team that put it out.

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Speaker 2: The ad that that really hurt. She's admitting to it, and.

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Speaker 1: She's doubling down on her progressive opinion, that's pretty incredible stuff,

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Speaker 1: but it gets nuttier.

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Speaker 3: And and I think the real challenges there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of people who've you know, never met a transperson, whether

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Speaker 3: real effort to engage in some level of fear mongering.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I really do believe that we should,

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Speaker 3: as a as a society, as a whole, you know,

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Speaker 3: demonstrate a fair amount of grace to people who are

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Speaker 3: confused about you know, when we're talking about bathrooms or

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Speaker 3: when we're talking about sports participation.

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Speaker 1: At least she used the word confused, but not in

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Speaker 1: the proper context.

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Speaker 2: They are indeed confused. So why is it that you

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Speaker 2: believe that for a.

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Speaker 1: Confused child, everybody else should manipulate.

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Speaker 2: Reality to allow them.

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Speaker 1: To continue to be confused. How is that helpful? How

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Speaker 1: is that valuable? It is a perfect articulation of how

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Speaker 1: the political left sees the world. They do not believe

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Speaker 1: in reality, and then working around it, they believe in

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Speaker 1: their fantasy, and you bending to it, You bend to

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Speaker 1: their invention of reality as opposed to a recognition of

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Speaker 1: what's actually happening in front of us. The boy says,

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Speaker 1: he's a girl, and now everybody's supposed to call him she.

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Speaker 1: And then he is on the girl swim team, and

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Speaker 1: he is wearing a dress and he's putting on makeup,

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Speaker 1: as if wearing a dress and putting on makeup is

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Speaker 1: what makes one a woman, dear Lord, or done either

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Speaker 1: one of those things, And I know that's not what

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Speaker 1: makes one a woman. You don't buy into the mental illness,

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Speaker 1: you don't buy into the confusion. You say, hey, you're confused,

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Speaker 1: let's help you through this, and you don't subject other

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Speaker 1: people to the madness. And she believes that doing so

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Speaker 1: is grace. And then of course, oh, let's see, the

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Speaker 1: Republicans are fearmongering because they never met a transperson. This

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Speaker 1: is not the argument. This is the pseudo intellectual place

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Speaker 1: of Abigail Spamberger and people on the political left, and

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Speaker 1: they think you should allow these boys to playing girl sports,

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Speaker 1: these men to play in women's.

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Speaker 2: Sports, and that that's grace.

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Speaker 1: Let's change gears for a moment and talk about grace,

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Speaker 1: because it just came up today.

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Speaker 2: There's a story out of.

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Speaker 1: The NBA where a guard for the Indiana Pacers. His

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Speaker 1: name is Cam Jones. Cam Jones he was arrested hadn't

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Speaker 1: played a game yet.

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Speaker 2: Rookie. What was he arrested for? He's speeding. Cam Jones

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Speaker 2: first name spelled Kam.

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Speaker 1: He's speeding. Police get behind him, sirens go off. He

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Speaker 1: keeps driving for miles. He's still driving the arrest. He

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Speaker 1: was arrested because police say he caused a brief pursuit

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Speaker 1: along Interstate sixty five. A brief pursuit. Well, I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: sure you're gonna go to jail for a brief pursuit.

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Speaker 1: In his statement, he says, quote, I made a statement.

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Speaker 1: I'm deeply sorry to the Pacers organization and the fans.

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Speaker 1: This is a pretty traumatic experience for me. I've never

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Speaker 1: been through anything like this. It won't happen again. I'm

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Speaker 1: deeply sorry to the organization. I look forward to getting

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Speaker 1: past this and getting back to work. I read that

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Speaker 1: I said something is off about that because I apologize,

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Speaker 1: it won't happen again. I'm sorry. I look forward to

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Speaker 1: getting past this and getting back to work. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: think an apology is I did this, and I apologize.

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Speaker 1: He said, this was a pretty traumatic experience for me.

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Speaker 1: I've never been through anything like this.

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Speaker 2: And something about that just hits odd, right. It's like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: you're apologizing but you're not. But you know you did

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Speaker 2: something wrong.

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Speaker 1: But it's about how you are dealing with this trauma again,

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Speaker 1: dear Lord, everything about trauma. And someone reached out to

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Speaker 1: me on the Twitter X at Tony Katz. You find

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Speaker 1: me there on the X on the twitters and we're like,

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Speaker 1: twenty three years old, screwed up?

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Speaker 2: How about a little bit of grace?

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Speaker 1: Now in that situation, you can say, hey, he was speeding,

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Speaker 1: Hey endangered people's lives. But you could also say, young

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Speaker 1: man screwed up, Yes, twenty three, but screwed up? And

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Speaker 1: is you know, a large stage because he's a professional

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Speaker 1: athlete and I hope he has a good career. You

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Speaker 1: can have grace in that situation. And I said you could,

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Speaker 1: couldn't you? And we could all do with a little

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Speaker 1: more grace. I don't say no, I'm not saying you

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be held accountable. Will there be in a jail

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Speaker 1: time or anything out He's got a court date and

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Speaker 1: everything else, but held accountable. But you can show a

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Speaker 1: level of grace there is that the same as showing

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Speaker 1: grace to adults who want to physically mutilate children, who

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Speaker 1: believe that young girls in schools should have to take

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Speaker 1: a back seat to boys who claim to be girls,

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Speaker 1: telling girls they should just lay back and take it.

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Speaker 1: That's showing grace. Supporting mental illness is not showing grace. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Abigail Spamberger is on the wrong side of this issue

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Speaker 1: on every single level. She doesn't even understand the concept

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Speaker 1: of grace. And I put forth to you that you

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Speaker 1: do not show grace to people who are proactive in

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Speaker 1: confusing children and mutilating children. Not school officials, not counselors,

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Speaker 1: not people in culture, not doctors, not medical professionals. You

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Speaker 1: mutilate children, you lose your license to practice medicine. You

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Speaker 1: should go to jail.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to debate here. We're going to say

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Speaker 2: that's enough. We're gonna have no part of this.

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Speaker 1: You're not welcome in our society because we do not

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Speaker 1: have grace and we should not have grace for people

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Speaker 1: who abuse children. This is why the whole idea of apologies.

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Speaker 1: You apologize when you mean it, when you mean it,

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Speaker 1: but the accepting of apologies, ooh, the very concepts of forgiveness.

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Speaker 1: There are some things that I do believe you do

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Speaker 1: not forgive. If Erica Kirk, the widow of Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 1: wants to forgive her husband's assassin.

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Speaker 2: That is up to her.

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Speaker 1: It's her apology to accept. It is her forgiveness to give.

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Speaker 2: It's not mine.

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Speaker 1: My position on it is absolutely inconsequential. But even if

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Speaker 1: I am not the child who has been abused, don't

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Speaker 1: ask me to find forgiveness for these people.

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Speaker 2: It's not coming. I don't have to show child abusers grace.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong in your view, but there is no

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Speaker 1: question that Abigail Spamberger is wrong in her view. And

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Speaker 1: I hope Winsome Earl Sears is the next governor of Virginia.

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Speaker 2: This is Tony Katz today. Where do we stand today?

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Speaker 7: Call those generations from forty five to forty seven in

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Speaker 7: the Futureshi pregancy now shared great and the people of India.

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Speaker 8: I love the people of India and we're working on

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Speaker 8: some great deals between our countries. I spoke to the

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Speaker 8: Prime Minister Bodi today as I mentioned before, and we

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Speaker 8: just have a very good relationship. And he's not going

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Speaker 8: to buy much oil from Russia. He wants to see

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Speaker 8: the war end as much as I do. He wants

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Speaker 8: to see at the war end with Russia Ukraine, and

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Speaker 8: as you know, they're not going to be buying too

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Speaker 8: much oil, so they've kind of way back and they're

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Speaker 8: continuing to cut it way back.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to see how much India is cutting back.

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Speaker 1: I'm buying oil from Russia considering they're a poorer country

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Speaker 1: that would like to be a richer country, and cheap

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Speaker 1: energy is the way to do it. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you're able to get MODI to reduce dependence on Russian oil,

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Speaker 1: this is huge.

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Speaker 2: This is massive.

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Speaker 1: Now I want to see not just a report, I

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Speaker 1: want to see the results of such efforts over a

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Speaker 1: length of time. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to

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Speaker 1: be with you. Find everything over at Tony kats dot com.

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Speaker 1: You should go immediately, if not sooner. President Trump's saying

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Speaker 1: I am not meeting with Vladimir Putin. Maybe this is,

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Speaker 1: you know, part of that pressure campaign, because why does

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Speaker 1: he have to meet with Putin. I'm not gonna have

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Speaker 1: no plans to meet in the future. We're not gonna

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Speaker 1: sit there and have a meeting, a wasted meeting.

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Speaker 2: Right, We're gonna get together. Putin's not serious about peace

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Speaker 2: in Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be serious, but I haven't gonna be

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Speaker 1: serious about applying massive pressure to everybody I can to

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Speaker 1: try and isolate and financially starve the Russians. This is

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Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan Mikhail Gorbachev talk. It was about driving the

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Speaker 1: price of oil so low that they couldn't profit and

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Speaker 1: therefore the collapse.

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Speaker 2: That's what happened. You can do the same, you know.

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Speaker 1: The only thing that the late Senator John McCain was

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Speaker 1: ever one hundred percent accurate about was that Russia was

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Speaker 1: a gas station masquerading.

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Speaker 2: As a country. That is an accurate assessment on every level.

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Speaker 1: So not having the meeting with Putin, I get you

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Speaker 1: can get Mody not to buy Russian oil. That's real

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Speaker 1: pressure on Vladimir pot find everything at Tony kats dot

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Speaker 1: com tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Everyone, you take care