1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Hammer and Nigel Do you believe these characters are weirdos? 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 2: My name is Nigel Jason Hammer. Right over there with 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 2: a very special in studio guests from your Indianapolis City 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 2: County Council Counselor, Michael Paul Hart joins us. M p H. 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 2: How are you? My friend? 6 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: Fantastic, always happy to be here. 7 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 3: It's a pleasure to talk to you, guys. 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 2: So we got a lot of stuff to get to here. 9 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: Let's start with a E. S. Okay, a E S. 10 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 2: I think everybody knows my relationship with those guys. Replace 11 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 2: the E with the S, all right, making two s's okay. 12 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 2: You can't spell outages without a suh. They are going 13 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 2: through a buyout, is that right? 14 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 3: They are? 15 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people outraged about this. I mean, 16 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: it's been going on for a while, even back when 17 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: I was dealing with data centers, you know, almost a 18 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: few months back, this topic came up and that's when it, 19 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: you know, I first started doing some investigation on it, 20 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: and you know, essentially it's you know, this big private 21 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: equity firm, black Rock and some other partners of them 22 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: looking to buy it. And one of the concerns that 23 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:06,839 Speaker 1: I have personally, but I also hear from. 24 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 3: A lot of people is all right, we've got a 25 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 3: for profit. 26 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: Company coming to buy a public utility, So what does 27 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: that mean for you, me and everybody else who's using. 28 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 3: As for electricity? 29 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: And you know, I did some more jig and talked 30 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: to some experts that I know on the subject, and 31 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: they said, this is actually going on even longer than 32 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: I had known about it, the data center stuff. Even 33 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: you know, Governor Braun wrote a letter, you know, a 34 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 1: few years back when essentially aes was and they did 35 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: convert coal plants into gas plants. And now why that 36 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: was a problem is they didn't have to do it 37 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: at the time and so when when these guys were 38 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: being investigated, they said, well, you know, why are you 39 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: doing it? And they said, well, essentially ESG, right, they've 40 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: got these stakeholder goals, they've got to hit them, and 41 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: ESG was a primary way of doing it. 42 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 3: And that's that that governance, that environmental stuff. And so 43 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 3: what that causes they shut off. 44 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: The coal, use the gas, and then rates go up, right, 45 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: and that's why everybody's upset. And so when we look 46 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 1: forward and we look at you know, black Rock company 47 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: to take them over a private equity firm, and if 48 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: aees at the time who's operating and trying to produce 49 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: for their shareholders are making decisions base to hit those goals, 50 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: what does that mean for us now going in the 51 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: future when we have a legit private equity. 52 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 3: Firm owning this company owning our utility. 53 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 2: Okay, So for folks that are listening right now, and 54 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: even myself, what does this mean for us? Are we 55 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: going to get better service, better oversight? What do we 56 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: know about how this is going to take place? 57 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 3: Here's the strange thing I've learned about this. 58 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: The operations will still be done locally by eights, So 59 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: you're still gonna have the same people operating. 60 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 2: Oh fantastic, but. 61 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: They're going to answer to a different set of shareholders. 62 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:50,839 Speaker 2: Okay, So the same incompetence that I've experienced now they 63 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: just have a new boss yelling at them. Well, precisely, fantastic, 64 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: Welcome to the party. Why are so many people upset 65 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 2: about black Rock because the name might ring a bell 66 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: to a lot of people, But they were supposed to 67 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: have some sort of meeting tonight you were telling me 68 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 2: about and it got postponed. Under mysterious circumstance here. Why 69 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 2: are so many people against this? 70 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 3: Yeah? 71 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: I think it's it really has, at least for what 72 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: I'm hearing, a lot to do with the for profit 73 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: of it, all right, that it's a private utility. It's 74 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: it's here to provide electricity for the people that live here, 75 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: work here, and businesses that are here. Uh, And then 76 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 1: changing it to a for profit model, the instinct of 77 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: people is that, well, then you're just going to use 78 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: me to profit off of And that's the biggest problem 79 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: with it at the end of the day. 80 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: Okay, So I think, you know, having competition is great, 81 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: and you know, this piece of paper that I've got 82 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: in the studio I would recommend over anybody making decisions 83 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: at AES right now. But you're telling me that even 84 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: if this buyout does indeed take place, not a lot 85 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: it's going to change. 86 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 3: At least operationally, it's going to be the same. How 87 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:58,839 Speaker 3: that impacts your rates. I think we're gonna it's gonna 88 00:03:58,840 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 3: where I wait. 89 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: To see if it could impact the rates. Now we've 90 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: got a ballgame, But we'll talk about customer service at 91 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: another time. Counselor Michael Paul Hart is with US Senate 92 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 2: Bill two eighty four, it passed. This is one of 93 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 2: the bills that went through the Indiana legislature that kind 94 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: of removed that citizen led General Orders board. And you 95 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 2: had a big hand in this from the beginning. 96 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, So just a reminder on what a general order is, right, 97 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: It's something that there's hundreds of them in the police department, 98 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: and essentially they are the ways that a police officer 99 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: has to do their job. Even how they dress, how 100 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 1: they drive their vehicle, how they write a report, all 101 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: those are defined in general orders. So going back to 102 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, the City County Council created this citizen over 103 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: board that basically creates for sins and deletes all general 104 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 1: orders for the city of Indianapolis or how police do 105 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: their job. 106 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 2: Now, let's go back because twenty twenty was important. This 107 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 2: was the City County Council's complete overreaction to the BLM movement. 108 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 2: All cops are bad? What happened to George Floyd. This 109 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 2: was defund the police at its absolute peak. And that's 110 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 2: when many of your colleagues on the City County Council, 111 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 2: the Frank Mascaris, the vap Osley's, they were all on 112 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 2: board with having people who know nothing about policing citizens 113 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 2: being in charge of the police department exactly. 114 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: And since then we have lost hundreds of officers and 115 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: we've spent millions of dollars trying to recruit officers because 116 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: of this. And so, you know, those are things that 117 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: I heard when I hosted a public safety roundtable, and 118 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: I was looking for ideas of what can we change 119 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: in the city that doesn't cost any money, that can 120 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: make Indianapolis safer, and it was get this board out. 121 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 3: Of the way of general orders. 122 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: And so, you know, I put the proposal forward at 123 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: the city It failed, as you could imagine, but then 124 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: State Senator Carrasco took it up, ran it through the 125 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: cycles over there at the State House, and it has 126 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: successfully passed both chambers. 127 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 2: Wow, that's good. And what's been the reaction of some 128 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 2: of your colleagues. Have you had a chance to talk 129 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 2: to them, because again, the time that this was put 130 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 2: into action, it was a total pandering move to people 131 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 2: who were mad at the police. 132 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's come up a couple times when 133 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: the new chief was being basically interviewed by the council 134 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: and our public safety Committee. There were some Democrat counselors 135 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: that took the opportunity to say their opinion about our 136 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: asked the chief, well, don't you think this should be here? 137 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: It's better with it, And they had, you know, a 138 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,119 Speaker 1: few back and forth, but by and large they didn't 139 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: show up to testify in favor of it in front 140 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: of the State House. 141 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:34,799 Speaker 3: So, I mean they didn't want it that bad. 142 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: Because it's not twenty twenty anymore, and they don't care 143 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: about it. They're on to defund ice, They're on to 144 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 2: new and improved jets. Counselor Michael Paul Hart with us, 145 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: catching us up to date on all things happening here 146 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: in Central Indie. Another one of your colleagues on the 147 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 2: City County Council on the Democrat side, Counselor Jesse Brown. 148 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: Now we've had Jesse on the show before. We've talked 149 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: to Jesse. Believe it or not, I agree with the 150 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 2: socialist on all things Joe hawk Set. He's one of 151 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 2: the few folks on that side of the aisle who's 152 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 2: been critical of Joe hawk Set and the sexual harassment scandal. 153 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 2: But he's also a socialist. He's against the police, he's 154 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 2: tiptoeing around communism. 155 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 3: There, I think, and there may or. 156 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 2: May not be a social media post where and I'm 157 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: paraphrasing here. I don't have the exact quote in front 158 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 2: of me kind of rooting for the United States to 159 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: lose against Iran? So has that been a distraction at all? 160 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: So, you know, I had to go look this up 161 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: and check it out for myself, and two thoughts came 162 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: to mind. Initially, the first thought is if you think 163 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: about what does it mean for the US to lose war, 164 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: You're gonna You're gonna lose boats, planes, but you're gonna 165 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: lose people. And so that was the first thing that 166 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: I thought. If we're losing people and he's rooting for 167 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: us to lose, that means he's wanting Americans to die. 168 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: And that is probably one of the most disgusting things 169 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: I've ever heard from a city councilor on my time. 170 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: That is the most discussed thing I've ever heard from 171 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: a city councilor as my time, and I've been here 172 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: seven years now. The other thing that I think about 173 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: when I go through this is why are you spending 174 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: all your time doing that when we've got all the 175 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: pothole problems to try and solve here in Indianapolis. You've 176 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: got the crime problems to solve here Indianapolis, and that's 177 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: what we're elected to do. When I went back and 178 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: I looked at what is this guy done in the 179 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: City County Council, the most effective thing he's ever done 180 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: is put up a speed limit sign. So if we 181 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: want to talk about stay in your lane, this is 182 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: a prime opportunity to do that, and let's focus on Indianapolis. 183 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 2: I'm in such a weird place when it comes to Jesse, 184 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 2: because You're right, that statement I hope we lose is 185 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 2: disgusting and there's no way that I can condone that. 186 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 2: But if I'm looking at times, I've agreed with Democrats 187 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: on the City County Council. Zero with vop Osley, zero, 188 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: Frank Mascari, zero, with pretty much most of them. But 189 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 2: at least Jesse had that. You know what to say, 190 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 2: Boss hawk Set is a scumbag. And I'm paraphrasing again 191 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 2: here with the whole sexual harassment and Thomas Carl Cook thing. 192 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 2: So I'm in such a weird place. These comments are 193 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 2: absolutely reprehensible, But I find myself agreeing with him more 194 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 2: than pretty much any other Democrat if that makes sense. 195 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 3: It does. 196 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: And there's I mean, it happens all the time with 197 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: all these guys. There's a couple of them that that'll 198 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 1: happen with. I mean there's Counselor Boots. You know, we 199 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: had the AI Commission together, right, I just talking about 200 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: traffic controls. I just partnered with Counselor Nilsson the other 201 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: day to get some things cleaned up on Washington Street. 202 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: Now even Counselor Roberts has helped doing some things on 203 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: the curfew that I tried in the past. So, I mean, 204 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: these guys come around, right, and they're agreeable. But yeah, 205 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: there's only a handful. Counselor Nielsen is you know, you know, 206 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 1: did come out and. 207 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 3: Condemn hog set. So there's a handful of them. 208 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,599 Speaker 1: He's not the only, but Jesse seems to be the 209 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: one who gets in front of the microphone. 210 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 2: The most last thing before we let you go, did 211 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 2: somebody quote you a five five hundred dollars park bench, 212 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: what as part of a way to kind of make 213 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 2: our parks a little bit prettier. Fifty five hundred dollars 214 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 2: park bench? 215 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 3: Is that right? That's correct. 216 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: So I negotiated when we had a city to lot 217 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: coming into my district, I said, look, if I'm going 218 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: to take that in, there's got to be some you know, 219 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: positive to the community, because I mean, think about tow. 220 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 3: Trucks and all this stuff that goes along with it. 221 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: And so I was able to get ten thousand dollars 222 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: a year from the company that's operating that toe lot 223 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: to go towards maintenance on the Penzi trail. 224 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 3: So one year went. 225 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: By and I went back to DPW and I said, 226 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: all right, we've got ten grand, what can we do 227 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: with it? And so they sent me basically a menu, 228 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: and on that menu was one of these items was 229 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: a park bench and it was fifty five hundred dollars. 230 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 2: Was it made out of all gold? 231 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 3: It was? It was the King Mighty park bench. 232 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 2: Good lord, I feel like there's got to be some 233 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 2: sort of high school shop class Warren Central or the 234 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 2: Central nine Career Center where they could do a project 235 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 2: of making a park bench and you could get that 236 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: donated as opposed to fifty five hundred dollars. 237 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 3: You're giving me some ideas. I'm going to go reach 238 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 3: out to those guys. 239 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 2: If somebody has ideas or they want to reach out 240 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 2: to you, how do they get a hold of you. 241 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: Certainly it is Michael Paulheart dot com or Smartindie dot org. 242 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: You can find me either one of those two websites 243 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: and I'll invite you to all the events and communicate 244 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: with you as quickly as possible. 245 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 2: Counselor always appreciate it. Thank you.