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Speaker 1: And saying that it is unrighteous, that it celebrates unrighteousness.

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Speaker 1: Now I cannot tell you if Pride Month celebrates unrighteousness.

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Speaker 1: Now, that's a really offensive thing to say, because you're

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Speaker 1: political symbol, A three three got Tony. The chatroom is open,

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Speaker 1: Stated, the world proclaims LGBTQ right. They proclaim Pride Month,

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Speaker 2: Not apologizing, not apologizing for facts. Son. No, if Jade Ivy.

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Speaker 2: But if this is the thing that is.

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Speaker 3: So you were saying that veterans don't have a month,

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Speaker 1: The I state quite clearly, Robert, quite clearly that the

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Speaker 2: And that's okay.

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Speaker 1: That is all child abuse, and I'm glad the Supreme

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Speaker 2: Ice viewed nothing hateful.

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Speaker 1: The people who want to push children into transgenderism are

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Speaker 2: On Veterans Month.

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Speaker 1: But my point still stands, let's call it Veterans Month,

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Speaker 2: More ahead. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today,