1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: There's a story out of Belgium where two soldiers part 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: of the IDF, the Israeli Defense Forces, were arrested investigated 3 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: for war crimes accusations. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: to be with you. They were on leave, they were 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: at a music festival, they got arrested. It should be 6 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: clear that all of this quote involved anyone involved in 7 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: the systemic or they call it systematic destruction of civilian 8 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: infrastructure in Gaza and in carrying out mass atrocities against 9 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 1: the Palestinian population unquote. That's what's being a ledge share 10 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: that this is why this group is saying these soldiers 11 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: are involved in war crimes. I don't believe that to 12 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: be true for a moment. Then you have the story 13 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: of Israel hitting a Catholic church in Gozam. The story is, oh, 14 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: it was targeted. Israel admits that the church got hit, 15 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: they say they regret it, it was not a targeted attack. 16 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: Three people sheltering there were killed. The argument is, oh, 17 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: my gosh, if Israel keeps doing this, they're gonna lose support. 18 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: And I saw some so called high profile people on 19 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: the political right saying exactly this, and my answer is 20 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: your support is not necessary for the reality of the situation. 21 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: Here's the reality of the situation. This is the fault 22 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: of Hamas and I don't lose sight of that. If 23 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: in a war you cannot make a mistake, well then 24 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: don't start the war. Hamas started the war. Every bit 25 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: of blood is on their hands, every single bit of it. 26 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: Do mistakes get made? Absolute? Have innocent people died? Absolutely? 27 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: Is war? Hell? Yes? I didn't invent the term. Somehow 28 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: people knew this from the beginning of time. Of course 29 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: it's hell. Of course, it's trash. Why would anybody want this? 30 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: Hamas has been holding onto hostages for over six hundred days. 31 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: What would you do? Stop? Quit, give up? Say oh well, 32 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: say you win, capitulate? What's the answer? The answer from 33 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: the pro Hamas crowd, which can be seen out of 34 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: this group in Belgium here where these IDF soldiers are 35 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: arrested by Belgian authorities, a complaint filed by the Hindra 36 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: Job Foundation. I don't know who these people are, but 37 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: screw them and screw Belgium. By the way, you've got 38 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: people on the side of Hamas, you have people on 39 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: the side of the terrorists, and any response from the 40 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: nation that was attacked in this case Israel, is you've 41 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:07,399 Speaker 1: gone too far. I reject that notion wholeheartedly. I want 42 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: to say for the record, I don't think they've gone 43 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: too far. I think they're doing exactly what one would expect. 44 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: You took their people, now you suffer, give their people back, 45 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: it'll stop. But the Hamas supporters here in the US, 46 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: they don't ever say that. The Hamas supporters in Belgium, 47 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: they don't care. They only like to scream war crime, 48 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: war crime, war crime, war crime. Allow me, I do 49 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: not believe that the hitting of the church was a 50 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: war crime. You can argue it was a mistake. You 51 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: can't argue that wasn't the target. You can also note 52 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: that when it comes to Gaza, they hide munitions, weapons, 53 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: criminal activity under hospitals and under schools. Oh, that's not happening. 54 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: The tunnels don't do that. As I've learned, that's exactly 55 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: what happens. Are we going to learn that here? Doesn't 56 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: seem to be the case. They really, as you read 57 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: the reporting, see this as a mistake. They got this 58 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: a very very very wrong. The IDF directs it strikes 59 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: Soviet military targets and makes every feasible effort to mitigate 60 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: harmed to civilians and religious structures, and regrets any unintentional 61 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: damage caused to them. You couldn't get Hamas to say this. 62 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: Hamas would hit any synagogue. It could Iran when it 63 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: drops bombs and attacks with drones, hits any civilian population. 64 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: They can Drews, Jewish, Christian, doesn't matter. It's indiscriminate. So 65 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 1: once again we're in this conversation of who do we 66 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: hold to the standard and what standard are are they 67 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: held to? Israel holding itself to a standard, and yes, 68 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: to an extent, us holding Israel to a standard is 69 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: the same thing as hold ourselves to a standard. We 70 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: aren't them. We aren't barbarians like Hamas, like Islamists. See, 71 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: this is where the conversation goes. But people are afraid 72 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: of this conversation because they're afraid of insulting and Islamists. 73 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: The Islamists are barbarians. The Israelis apologize when they hit 74 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: a church. There's a difference in these people. Why would 75 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: anybody be on the side of the barbarian But yet socialists, communists, 76 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: progressives are, and these European losers are, while they of 77 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: course allow unvetered immigration into their countries and slowly get 78 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: erased from history. They're the ones telling you the story 79 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: of who's who through their actions and through their accusations. 80 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: They're telling you the story of who is who. And 81 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: let me say for the record, and by the way, 82 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm not using names Michael Knowles 83 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: over the Daily Wire Israel, you're losing me to whom 84 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: Michael is Israel possibly losing you because they hit a church. Yeah, 85 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: it's awful, it is. I won't say no, I don't 86 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: dismiss it. I'm not downplaying it. I'm saying it exactly 87 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: the way it is. Hamas never apologizes for killing a Christian. 88 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: They don't apologize for killing What do you mean, Israel 89 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: is losing you? The correct answer, the only answer that 90 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: is humanly possible is this is just a great example 91 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: of the kind of people the Israelis are and the 92 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: kind of people that Hamas is. Well. You see, the 93 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: real issue is that Israel didn't apologize until there was 94 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: international pressure. Was it international pressure or was it in 95 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: their own investigation to see what exactly took place in 96 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: what happened? And let's say there was international pressure. Okay, 97 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: there was international pressure. I don't think anybody is going 98 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: to sit here and say that Israel should target churches. 99 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: I believe they shouldn't target churches. But moreover, I believe 100 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: that this war was started by Hamas, and every single 101 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: dead man, woman and child, whether they are Muslim, Jewish, 102 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: or Christian, is on their hands. That's the answer. That's 103 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: a hard answer. That's a harsh answer. But let me 104 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: say for the record, Noles is completely off base in 105 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: going down this road of my gosh, Israel, You're going 106 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: to lose me. You're going to lose us at this rate, 107 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: because that is not a reason to stop in the 108 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: attempt to get back your people and to end the 109 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: Hamas terrorists that are terrorizing all of society. All of 110 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: humanity is under threat. If Hamas can get away with 111 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: take people hostage for well over a year. We're close 112 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: to two years, guys. We're in mid July. October seventh 113 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: is around the corner. For two years, these people have 114 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: lived as hostages, lived, survived, somehow managed to keep existing 115 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: day in and day out under what torture we don't know, 116 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: under what starvation we don't know, Under what medical duress 117 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: we don't know. Under what emotional or mental duress we 118 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: don't know. I want focus, not platitudes. Now, someone might 119 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: make the very grave mistake of saying to me that 120 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: I somehow don't care about this church because I am 121 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: Jewish and somehow I don't have any regard for Christians 122 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: or Catholics. That person can take their own head and 123 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: shove it up whatever it is they think is big 124 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: enough for them to shove it into. That is, of 125 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: course not the case. That is the pseudo intellectual argument, 126 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: but not the rational one. I want these people to 127 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: be able to live their lives. I want these Israelis 128 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: to be able to live their lives. I want to 129 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: be able to live my life. That's what I want. 130 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: I want the terrorists to stop. Stop trying to kill 131 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: people who don't agree with you. Stop going for a caliphate. 132 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 1: Stop thinking that somehow you can engage in levels of 133 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 1: bombardment and attack and other people should just take it. 134 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: Stop destroying the water supply in your own region by 135 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: ripping the pipes out of the ground so you can 136 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: make rockets. You freaking weirdos. Stop stop with the Ayatola. 137 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: Let the Iranian people put in a government that works, 138 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: call yourselves Persia again, and put an end to these 139 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: Islamists who want to destroy the United States and Israel. Stop. 140 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: That would be better. That's not the world I live in. 141 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: It's not the world I have. And I am not 142 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: making the statement that somehow Michael Knowles is in favor 143 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: of Israel being destroyed. I don't. I don't. I don't 144 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: think that's that's the case. And maybe I haven't listened 145 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: to enough of him. I can't say that I listened 146 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: to his podcast or anything else. He's doing his thing. 147 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: I'm doing my thing. Then that's fine. But I came 148 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: across this and people talk me about this and I said, 149 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: it's sorry, it's just that is not the case. Well 150 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: they they say they Israel apologize for the targeting, But 151 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: I haven't seen proof that that they made a mistake. 152 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: Where's the proof. I don't know if you're ever going 153 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: to see that, and I'm not so sure they ever 154 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: have to provide it. But I will be reminding people 155 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: because it's worthy of reminding that it's a war and 156 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: terrible things happen. I concede it's a terrible thing. Not 157 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: only is it terrible, for the lives lost. Top line, 158 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: it's terrible if you're Israel and you're trying to make 159 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: the case that the Islamist is the problem, and you 160 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: go about killing three people in a church, why would 161 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: you do it as a matter of just getting people 162 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: on your side. That's not a way to do it. 163 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: That's a mistake. So the end to the idea that 164 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: somehow this was purposeful, to what end, to what value, 165 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: to what gain, to what growth, that seems to be 166 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: a pretty odd proposition in my view. Do I think 167 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: any nation or any group is somehow without comment or 168 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:49,719 Speaker 1: commentary to their actions. No, not at all. I think 169 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 1: you make comment and commentary to all things. I think 170 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: not recognizing who started this and not recognizing this ends 171 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: when the hostages are turned. I think that is not 172 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: only foolish, that in and of itself is its own 173 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: level of barbarism, that somehow the owner should be on Israel. 174 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: Here Canada attacks kills twelve hundred Americans and takes Americans hostage, 175 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: holds them for nearly two years, and I'm about to 176 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: worry about whether or not some Canadian church gets hit. 177 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to hit the Canadian church. They're not 178 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: my issue, and I think it would look bad around 179 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: the world, and you don't want that in your life, 180 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: so I certainly wouldn't target it by any stretch of 181 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: the imagination. You want people on your side regarding a 182 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: righteous cause, which absolutely the Israelis have and absolutely Hamas 183 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: does not. But I don't forget that war as hell, 184 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: and I don't forget who started the war. And that's 185 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: the ballgame. So if Michael Knowles really wants to say, Israel, 186 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: you're losing me, he can say that. I think that 187 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: position is weak. I think that position fails to recognize 188 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: the greater story around us. Now, maybe it's possible I'm 189 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: misunderstanding what Michael Knowles is saying, And certainly if he 190 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: were to say to me, I think you're misunderstanding what 191 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: I'm saying, I would listen absolutely. But in this war 192 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: then Israel is still engaged in and I argue rightfully 193 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: so the terrorists, the Islamists started this. They did this. 194 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: I'm not going to ever forget that, and every bit 195 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: of blood that has been spilled from it is one 196 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: thousand percent on their hands. It is on the hands 197 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: of Hamas and of the Iranians who support them. And 198 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: of all of those who refuse to tell Hamas to 199 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: return the hostages and end this. Now, this is Tony 200 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: Katz today