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Speaker 2: Well, we have obviously spent much of the past couple

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Speaker 1: I don't understand what the big deal is.

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Speaker 3: Nothing to see here, move along, people, and.

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Speaker 2: Then really kind of going at hard. People have been

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and now if you're asking questions, you're deemed a

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Speaker 2: So there's so much now about what Trump saying, Well,

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Speaker 2: I'm asking the DOJ to ask the court to release

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Speaker 2: this and release that and nothing legally, let's find out

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Speaker 2: what's actually going on here. And luckily when it comes

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Speaker 2: to our version of legal stuff, yeah, we got one

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Speaker 1: How are you guys doing? Good morning? Great?

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Speaker 2: So I thought, okay, first of all, start with this

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, the answer to every question in law school

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Speaker 4: In a case like this, you have had Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 4: So the only way that files might not be released,

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Speaker 4: solid years said release the Epstein files.

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Speaker 4: Vance on THEO Vaughn released the Epstein files. We got

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Speaker 1: And then just a couple of weeks ago come out and.

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Speaker 4: Go all right, look, we've looked in every file drawer

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Speaker 1: Hey, Steven, let me hundred gins of data. I hate

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Speaker 2: Breakfast, Steve, Steve, Steven, let me introduce you to your

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Speaker 2: audience in case he's dying to get in here, Steven P.

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Speaker 2: Who is our guest attorney to the stars. We're trying

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Speaker 4: Why wait, No, politics, that's the only reason why Mike Johnson,

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Speaker 4: We're not releasing these files because of an ongoing criminal investigation.

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Speaker 4: that because Prince Andrew settled a defamation case against one

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Speaker 4: of the young ladies from the modeling agency, and the

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Speaker 4: And notice also when I'm doing cases, I listen for

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Speaker 2: Stephen Pu is our guest at Turning to the Stars.

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Speaker 2: He has represented many famous people over the years, and

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Speaker 2: seen him in action some of his more okay, No,

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Speaker 2: it's not okay, So, Steven, is there anything we the

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Speaker 4: There's really not, because there's no way absent the family

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Speaker 4: Were just Laine Maxwell's attorney, I would have already piled

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Speaker 1: The bottom of this.

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Speaker 2: Hey, before we let you go, I wonder this, like

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Speaker 2: when baseball players, retired baseball players are old timey base

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Speaker 2: here's what I would have done. Do you do that?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely? Absolutely, and I'll do that until the day I die.

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Speaker 4: That the all they do in law school is program

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Speaker 1: And absolutely When when when.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, here's the deal, casey. If someone ever comes at

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm just being a conspiracy theorist again. Oh my,

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Speaker 2: Is it possible they could have have been allowed to

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Speaker 4: They said in their story that it was. And if

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Speaker 4: egg on his face because he said things like I

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Speaker 4: don't draw pictures. Of course, and of course there's about

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Speaker 4: twelve of his pictures hanging galleries in different places, but

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Speaker 4: that's neither here nor there.

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Speaker 1: So I am watching.

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Speaker 4: I have a defamation case against New York Times right

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Speaker 4: now in Alabama concerning a former Alabama basketball player. It

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Speaker 2: Stephen P. The best in the business.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, my friend, Thank you for having me on Guys.

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Speaker 1: Great to talk to you as always,