WEBVTT - Best of JMV 7-27-26 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:04.760 The ride with JMV. This is how I eat corner 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:07.040 of the cob. I boil it, I go shirtless out 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:09.760 of my back deck, eat it like I ravage it, 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:12.960 and then throw the cob out into the back forty 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:15.680 that he three five and one oh seven five the 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:22.520 fan Here he is off the turn four. 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:25.440 It's time time in Indy. 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:29.520 Corey Heim gonna win the brickyard four. 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:41.160 Hundred TNT on the broadcast yesterday. 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:43.479 That was that TNT? Was that ours? Right there? I'm 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:44.440 sorry that was ours? 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:45.040 T right? 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:45.280 No? 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:45.920 Wasn't? 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:46.559 Was it? 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:49.440 Okay? I want to make sure I get that one right. 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:53.000 I will say I think the call for both they 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:57.400 were both better than the actual race. Right there, Heim Time, 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:01.040 corey Heim, your winner. Gene Simmons Top of the hour, 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:05.199 Steven Holder, the start of Colt's camp, Daniel Jones the clearance. 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:08.560 Now getting cleared to go is one thing, but up 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.960 to speed. Hey, listen, I'm rocking the good news today, 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:14.360 so we'll rock the good news regarding Daniel Jones. The 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:18.880 Stephen Holder coming up and his questions to start the season, which, 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:22.679 just like most of us, are many. Steven Holder coming 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:24.280 up at the five o'clock hour. But on the end 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:26.800 of Moore at the body of group potline it is 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:29.520 our friend from Fox and then some Kevin Lee is 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:32.560 with us. Hey, keV, is there any ideas that you 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:36.759 have that could get more people out there and didn't 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:41.200 have the optics that we saw yesterday at IMS regarding 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:44.160 that Brickyard four hundred or is it just always going 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:47.760 to be, at least until further notice a struggle in 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:48.600 that capacity. 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:55.520 So I think there are several perspectives and paths to 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:59.640 looking at this, and this can be seen as spin, 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:03.040 but it is the truth that the number of people 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:06.919 there is still higher than most of the NASCAR races 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:10.440 and most sporting events. You know, I don't know what 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:14.359 it was, fifty seventy thousand, somewhere in that range. That's 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:17.280 still a pretty good crowd. This is a very unique 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:20.679 venue though that it's just so massive, and if it 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:25.600 wasn't for the popularity of the Indianapolis five hundred, they 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:28.640 would have taken seats out of this place like they 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:31.680 did at Daytona and like they've done at many other 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:35.120 tracks as well, just for the optics. So I think 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:39.040 you have to approach it with reality, and the reality 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.680 is if you're the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. You want this event. 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:46.120 You need this event because of the guaranteed revenue that 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:50.839 comes from the television contract. So the discussion is going 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:53.639 to be on the NASCAR side of things. Do the 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:57.680 optics become too much of a talking point? I actually 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:02.000 thought the crowd was okay yesterday. Saturday is the one 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:05.320 that was more jarring. But the Saturday races with the 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:09.880 O'Reilly series don't often have that many people in the stands. 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:13.000 You know, there were five ten times more people it 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:16.160 seemed at Raceway Park on Friday night for the truck race, 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:19.120 it was packed. That's probably twenty five or thirty thousand. 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:21.679 I don't know what was there on Saturday. Back to 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:26.040 your question, to get more people there, the racing would 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:27.840 have to improve. That's going to be hard to do. 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:31.480 That's always been more of a processional race. It's about 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:36.080 the significance of the prestige of it. And you know, 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:40.360 the NASCAR insiders would be able to explain the package, 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:43.680 the arrow package more, but this is a challenging place. 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:46.720 So I think you just have to understand that this 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:49.600 is going to be more of a strategy race. I 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:53.760 do wonder if if the stage racing takes out some 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:57.280 different options, but it does also guarantee you of some 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:01.360 cautions and restarts, and those portions of the race we're 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.960 entertaining every restart. You saw some side by side racing. 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:08.080 The longer it goes on, though, the more processional becomes, 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:11.120 and it was very difficult to pass. So I wish 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:13.160 it was a little bit better. I wish it was 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:15.680 packed like it used to be. But a lot of 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:17.760 things have changed in the last fifteen years. 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:21.119 Good and IMS has been really proactive and good about 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:25.719 this of trying to add different things for different generationally 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:29.360 speaking ages to enjoy. And that's why I mentioned this 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:31.799 a little bit earlier. You get a ton of kids 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:34.960 out there watching ZED and not paying attention to the 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:37.040 race going on, and then you get in the stands, 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:39.440 people say, what the hell's going on over there with 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:43.080 those ton of kids watching ZED while they're concentrating on 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:45.680 the race. I think that they have done a tremendous job, 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:49.720 and certainly since the one hundredth the five hundred, which 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.440 has always been great, but it seems like now it 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:57.800 is even more of a destination, which so overshadows what 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:01.120 we witnessed regardless of what you maybe thought was an 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:04.960 uptick in fans out there yesterday. Optically speaking, that is 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:08.440 always going to be incredibly difficult for anybody out that'll overcome. 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:10.039 And it's a. 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:13.120 Challenging date as well. Now the weather was it was 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:16.920 hot yesterday, but it's usually hotter than this, so that's 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:19.960 always going to be difficult. And they've tried the race 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:23.200 in September, it's been in August, it's been in all 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:25.120 different times of the year. 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:27.800 Did you put it a week after the five hundred end? Help? 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:34.000 Now, I don't think anybody, at least the people that 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:37.680 run racetracks never want that. That's part of the scheduling 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:41.440 challenge that IndyCar faces when they want to go anywhere 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:44.400 where there is a NASCAR event, is they want it 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:46.400 spread out a month or so. Part of it is 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:51.360 just the effort that it takes and the round the 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:54.720 clock work that goes into putting on a race event. 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:56.520 To do it back to back with the same staff 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:59.640 would be very difficult, and just logic says, you know, 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:03.040 it's a bit of it's a bit of work. It's 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:05.920 a commitment to go to the Indianapolis Motor Speedway for 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.400 an event that has more than seventy five thousand people, 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:11.240 and I don't think your chances are very good of 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.560 doing that on back to back races. I think spreading 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.400 it out as far as you can get is better. 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:20.720 Yeah, I didn't know if you could take advantage of 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:24.160 the enthusiasm, you know, right after the five hundred of 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:27.480 people always just wanted to be out there more and 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:28.720 maybe take advantage of that. 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:31.440 People would say that the people that have done the 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:35.680 studies that say that's probably not going to go very well. 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.560 You're going to have people choose between one or the other, 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:41.280 and it might hurt the Indy five hundred too. Now 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:46.280 you might get a combined total number. Maybe that's better 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.839 than what you have now from the built in promotion. 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:52.839 But I think logic and other people that run tracks 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:55.520 as promoters say that you want your events spread out. 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.800 I just know this. I've been to places before where 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:02.840 one one motorsport was at a track. For example, I 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.839 was at midd Ohio one year for a NASCAR Xfinity 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:09.520 race did great because it was their big, first big 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:12.120 race of the year. The next year it was two 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:16.400 weeks after the IndyCar race and it was sparse, so 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:19.120 I think you want to be the first one. You 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:20.960 don't want to do anything that takes away from the 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:23.720 Indy five hundred, and then you want to make this 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:27.200 event stand up on its own. They tried the road course, 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:29.760 and I actually would probably prefer that. I think the 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:33.640 racing was more entertaining. NASCAR racing on road courses is 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:39.640 really good. But I also come from a background, or 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:42.800 at least I like road racing. Not everyone in NASCAR 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:46.520 enjoys that, and the drivers were the main force of 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:47.960 getting a move back to the oval. 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:48.320 You know. 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:50.840 Their point was, and they're not wrong, is if we're 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.880 going to race at Indianapolis, what makes this play special 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:57.200 is it's where Raynron one in nineteen eleven. We want 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.760 to be on that track, not something that's different. So 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:03.239 I get that. I don't think this is a failure. 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:05.400 I think you still look at the number of people 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:08.600 here is more than you get for most other weekends, 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:11.280 and a lot of cases it's twice as much. It's 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:13.800 probably two and a half times more than they had 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:17.320 a North Wilkesboro a couple of weeks ago. It's just 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:20.560 the fact that the place is so big, so we're 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:22.760 going to have to get around that. Now you mentioned concerts, 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:25.680 maybe you can do something I've said, yeah, to really 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:31.120 pump up the event. Another challenge is race day. It's 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:36.560 one race. It's one event, and a lot of race 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.959 fans are used to going somewhere where there are support 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:44.280 races on the same day. So that's a lot to 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:46.640 do to come out there and be hot and only 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.679 see one thing. Now, NASCAR races are long enough that 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:51.400 they kind of stand on their own as far as 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.839 races are concerned, So I don't have an easy answer 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.920 for that. But I just know this from the perspective 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:01.240 of someone that wants the Indianapolis Motor Speedway to do well. 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:03.920 I don't want this race going away. It is a 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:07.000 very important part of their economic footprint. 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:09.959 I completely yearie with that too, and I feel bad. 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:12.720 One of my worst takes of all time was wanting 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:14.439 to see when I joined in with a lot of 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:17.200 other folks around here and said, hey, F one, don't 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:19.200 let the going out hit you with a good Lord splitcher, 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:21.120 because I wish that was still around. Even if I 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:23.360 don't give two craps about F one, I wish you 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:24.160 were still heredy too. 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:27.080 It's the racing capital of the world, and I think 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.160 what adds to that? Now you have the biggest race 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:34.079 in the world, so it would still have a massive 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:37.040 amount of significance. But I like the fact that Moto 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.480 GP was here, even though I'm not particularly a Moto 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.520 GP fan. The Formula One was here, that ims the 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:45.720 sports cars are here. I want to see as many 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:51.880 different big time motorsports events as we can, and NASCAR 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:55.240 is the biggest form of motorsports in America, so you 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:57.600 want to have that as a part of your schedule 0:09:57.640 --> 0:09:58.280 throughout the year. 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:02.360 So Kevin Lee of course covers Indy Car. They've got 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:06.200 another week plus before they get back at it. Coming 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:08.480 up in Portland, I believe, is next up on the schedule. 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.640 Kev's on the Andy Morrot mon If Group hotline. Carson 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:16.839 Quoppole on Saturday was the winner and then unfortunately to 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:20.160 have burn out over the yard of bricks and everybody 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:23.520 was up in arms. I thought that more so than 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:28.520 anything else, mistake whatever, it would have been a magical 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:33.160 pr moment and he would have gained fans around here 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:36.839 hand over fist had he somebody told him, hey, once 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:38.600 you go down there, grab a wire brush and help 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:41.240 these guys out. After that win, Hey, I made a mistake, 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:43.240 you know what I mean? Why don't we think about that? 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:46.880 Does that sound too far fetched? Because really it was 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:49.000 just a support race. Who the hell cares? I mean no, 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:51.920 that was about the equivalent of one of the tour buses, 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:53.720 like doing a burnout of the yard of bricks. I mean, 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:55.520 nobody really cares. But man, that would have been a 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:58.520 moment to grow your fan base had somebody thought about 0:10:58.640 --> 0:10:59.840 what I've What I've. 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:03.440 Not scene because I don't follow Carson Koppol on social media, 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:07.680 is whether he has apologized for this. His team owner 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:11.520 Dailer and Hard Junior has, So I'm willing to cut 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:15.079 the kids some slack. I know they say this to 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:18.559 the driver's meetings, but I also know the drivers don't. 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:19.840 Pay attention to the driver's Sure. 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:24.839 Yeah, and he had unplugged his radio. So this is 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:28.360 the kid's first win. This is the biggest moment of 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:31.400 his life, and I'm gonna now he made a mistake 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:36.839 and he's gonna need to apologize for that. But I 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:40.480 don't think we should cancel him for this. It doesn't 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:43.280 mean he's a bad kid or anything else. I don't 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:45.480 know a thing about him. I know Justin Allgeyer did 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:47.679 it one time too, and I do know Justin Allgeier, 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:50.200 and I think really highly of him, and I think 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:53.360 it just slipped his mind. And I know Justin Allgeyer 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:54.280 has a lot of respect. 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:56.000 Illis five. 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:01.000 He's whenever I see him, he always asked me about 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.400 what's going on in IndyCar. You know, he's a race fan. 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.400 Most of these drivers are race fans. So it's okay 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:08.719 to say, yeah, that was that was a bad move, 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:12.200 and we're not happy about it. But I don't think 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:15.560 that you have to ban this young driver from your 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:17.959 list of favorites for the rest of his life just 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.480 simply because of that. I'm going to take him at 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.679 his word, or at least Junior's word that he just 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:26.400 wasn't thinking about and got a little bit overwhelmed. Hey, 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:30.480 doesn't mean we're gonna like it. And I am of 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:32.679 the belief that you do need to respect the bricks 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:35.920 a little bit. So they will continue to try to 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:39.800 spread the word and make sure because that's the thing. 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:42.000 It's he's not been in this race before. It's a 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:44.400 different group of people every year, So just because you 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:47.040 said it last year doesn't mean they're going to remember it. 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:49.920 Next year, they're going to be twelve more drivers that 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:51.640 have never raced in this race before. 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:55.199 keV a really good and I'm sure this is not 0:12:55.400 --> 0:13:00.440 the highest of levels for PR in that particular series. However, 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:04.679 a good PR person that's savvy driver's suit right down 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:08.680 there with a wire brush and quoppole would have gained 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:12.760 He would have earned all these indy car fans that 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.040 have no idea who this duty is other than that 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.439 particular moment in his life. Unfortunately, we live in a 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:20.240 world where a lot of PR people are knuckleheads or 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:22.319 don't get paid enough to jack around with it, or 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:25.640 just kind of you know, leading their particular person around 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:28.400 and that's about it. But yeah, any savvy person could 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:30.160 have come up with that, and I think really built 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:33.319 off of what was was not a great moment for 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:35.800 a very young kid after a win and. 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:38.520 At the time, I don't know how quickly they started 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:43.160 scrubbing the bricks there, but he's still likely going through 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:46.160 all of the requirements that he has to do for 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:50.599 press conferences and everything along with that. But no, that 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:52.560 would have been a smart move by PR to get 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:54.599 him out there and get him involved in that or 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:57.439 at least at some point come out there and you know, 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:00.719 apologize to everyone. I really did want you, because I 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:04.160 think if you walked out there, they would have all said, no, 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:06.480 I'm not gonna make you get down on your knees 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:09.079 and scrub here. Right now, we're getting paid overtime to 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:11.439 do this, but we appreciate the thought, but yeah, that 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:12.200 would have been savvy. 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:18.400 All right. We got Jackson Lee California Closets Race coming 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:20.520 up anytime soon. Tuck Series will we got. 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:26.400 So he's at VIR Virginia International now working the skid 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.600 barber theories as an instructor, and we've worked out a 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:31.400 deal where they're going to give us some track time, 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:35.120 so they're working on next year already. So his team 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.960 is bringing the NASCAR truck there on Thursday and they're 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:41.080 going to try to develop the car for the road courses. 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:43.400 So there are no more road courses this season, and 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:46.080 that's what he's done. He might do the Phoenix Race 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.680 which is in October, to kind of try things out 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:52.440 on an oval and see how that goes. And then 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:55.280 we're still hoping to be able to We're talking to 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:58.440 a couple of different teams and seeing who has cars 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:00.720 that haven't been crashed too much to on the MSA 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:04.520 race at Indianapolis and either GT four or in Lamborghini 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:08.760 Super Trapail. So that's coming up in mid September. He's 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:10.440 not quite done yet. And then he's doing he's doing 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:13.320 a prototype race at Watkins Glenn this weekend and more 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.240 of a club level series where he's coaching some guys 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:17.080 and driving with them. 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:19.040 Got to give a shout out to Marcus Hall too, 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:21.960 by the way, while we're at it, you and I 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:23.560 both a little California closet. 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:27.800 Actually California Closets and Browning Chapman and the IU Cancer 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:31.440 Center are why the young man has a job now, 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:35.240 although he's not we've not really been able to pair 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.680 off any revenue for him at this point, but elite 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.680 he's he's getting to drive, and then through that he's 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:43.720 getting paid to coach, so that's how he makes his living. 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:45.400 At this point, he's moving out of the house. 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:49.440 So well, moving out, all right, got enough? 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.320 I told him, I said, you're never home, you're home 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:54.480 four days a month. You're going to be the best 0:15:54.560 --> 0:16:00.240 roommate ever. But now that means the experiment and the 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:06.000 investment we've made is working out. He's gainfully employed. Well done, 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:08.200 and gets to do things like drive lots of cool 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:08.760 race cars. 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:11.600 Well done. Well, give him my best and marches to 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.840 the gang at the California clause. It's always awesome, Kaylee. 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.680 I appreciate you. Man. Get back in touch when the 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.560 season resumes here surely, Okay. 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:23.520 Thank you. Anyone anyone has a project, let us know. 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:26.520 We've got a little discount code available for California clause. 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:29.040 Well, tell them all about to give him the discount 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:29.760 code really quick. 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:33.040 Well, just basically I need to connect you. But it's 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:35.680 ten percent off any project, whether it be a closet 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:38.760 or a garage or off of space or whatever the case. 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:41.480 So they can get either me or you on Twitter 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:44.960 and we'll connect them with Marcus at California Closets and 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:46.720 we'll get something done for him. 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:50.800 We absolutely will, Kaylee. Thanks Pal, all right, thanks John 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:54.480 Kevin Lee a fox on the Andy Moron aboutive group potline. 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:00.320 This is the ride with JMV I JMV. Thank you 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:02.240 for joining us. And we've got a Hall of Famer 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:04.919 rock Icon who has been a part of the show before, 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:09.440 has spent many an evening entertaining us here in Indianapolis. 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:13.280 He was in charge of the creation of the song 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:15.760 I Am Indie back in the day as well. He's 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:18.440 going to be at the Indiana State Fair August the twentieth. 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:20.840 Of course, I am talking about Rock and Roll Hall 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:25.960 of Famer Songwriting Hall of Famer. The iconic Gene Simmons 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:28.480 joins us, Hello, Jean, how are you this afternoon? 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:29.400 Wow? 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:31.520 What a build up. I feel much better. Thanks. 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:33.480 No, I didn't even write that. That was off the 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.879 top of my head. Do you believe it? No, because 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.400 I've grown up with you. I mean, you're like you're 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.080 like my my rock and uncle right here. 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:46.480 I serious appreciate. Don't don't leave out the Hollywood star 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:49.560 Walk of Fame and the Kennedy Center and Kennedy Center 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:53.960 Honors Man. That was a treat because we was sitting 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:56.960 there next to the President and the first Lady and 0:17:57.040 --> 0:18:02.160 we're just talking just about stuff. I knew the President 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:06.560 before he became political in New York, you know, just socially. 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:11.879 But at any rate, we're talking while on stage, Garth 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:15.080 Brooks is singing shouted out loud and cheap trick is there? 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:19.399 I mean, there was a real amazing event really and coming, 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:22.760 you know, and this from a perspective of an eight 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:24.680 and a half year old kid who came from another 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:27.800 country to America. And you know, you hear about the 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:31.200 land of plenty and the American dream. Let me tell 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:34.280 you something. I am living proof that the American dream 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:36.359 isn't just alive, it's alive. 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:40.920 And well, well you showed the way really, and this 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:43.600 is why Gene I bring this up. Where would you 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:48.439 place if you do it? All the comparison between all 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:52.720 that you see surrounding Taylor Swift, I mean, the the 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:58.159 global phenomenon compared to you and the kiss army that 0:18:58.320 --> 0:18:58.680 we knew. 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:02.320 Well, there's a sim in America of the people, for 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:05.680 the people, by the people. When you come from the 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:10.560 loins of the people and you rise through the American 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:14.920 dream if you have the gumption, the wherewithal the stick, touitiveness, 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:19.600 the you know, just the idea that you're going to 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:23.919 work harder than the person next to you. The heights 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:27.080 are there to be climbed, and it may as well 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:31.280 be you. Taylor came from nowhere, worked harder than you 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:34.119 and I did, and scale the heights. And good for 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:38.040 her girl power I'm all for it. She's the biggest 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:43.280 tickets selling music or political person that's ever existed on 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:49.080 the planet. She drew more people to shows than the Pope. Now, 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:53.160 having said that, Kiss hasn't done badly either. We broke records, 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:56.639 attendance records by Elvis and the Beatles and stuff. Well, 0:19:56.720 --> 0:20:01.399 we did fine. But the the thing you wind up 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:06.359 learning is that it isn't all about you. That reaching 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.479 the top of Mount Olympus isn't just for one person. 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:13.080 That is room up there for I mean, if you 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:17.480 dare reach for the sky, this room up there for champions. 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:18.320 That's plural. 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:22.840 Gene Simmons, who's going to be at the State Fair 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:25.800 coming up on August the twentieth. We'll get into that 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:29.639 in just a second. You said this, right, Yeah, Elvis 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:32.920 in the fifties, and obviously there are lasting effects for 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:36.080 each decade here, but I'm just going decade to decade. Elvis, 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:40.320 the Beatles, Kiss in the seventies, and obviously if you 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:43.920 fast forward to Taylor Swift, it is amazing too. And 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:46.880 I always wanted to ask you with the Kiss Army 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:51.119 because it's invention. That term started in Terre Haute, Indiana. 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:56.080 How important was that as well to coincide with you 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:58.880 and your iconic group to its rise of fame. 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:02.760 It was at the beginning of the band nineteen seventy five. 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:08.520 We started nineteen seventy four New Year's Eve. And by 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:12.240 the way, in terms of Taylor, her guitar player, John Is, 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:15.280 you know, grew up cutting his teeth, learned to play guitar, 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:19.159 playing kiss TEMs. And if you go to YouTube and 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:26.680 look up Taylor Swift Kiss Band, you'll see the entire band, 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:30.440 including Taylor in kiss makeup, coming to coming out to 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:34.560 join Keith Urban to sing one of his songs. But 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:37.840 the entire band is in kiss makeup, and then the 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:40.240 rest of the road crew come out in candy kisses, 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:42.639 you know, the Hershey's candy kisses. Yeah, I mean it 0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:46.800 was a real hoop. You know, the thing that happens 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:48.639 when you love the sound of your own voice is 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:50.160 you can't remember the damn question. 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:53.480 Well, no, no, it's about the significance of the kiss Army. 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:55.639 The reason why I bring that up is because it 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:58.800 originated the term did in Tarrehouade, Indiana, Right. 0:21:58.920 --> 0:22:04.280 It did. Indeed, it happened in Tera Hokee. As a 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:08.000 matter of fact, the home of the George family that 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:10.640 gave me a shot at being the head of marketing 0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:13.680 for IndyCar. I'm the guy that changed it from the 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:18.200 IRL to IndyCar and wrote the song I Am Indy 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:20.320 because I love the way I feel when I get 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:24.560 behind the wheel. I am Indy. At any rate, there 0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:27.600 was a fan there his name is Starkey, who called 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:31.520 the local radio station in nineteen seventy five early, you 0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:36.160 guys aren't playing my favorite band, Kiss, and the radio 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:39.000 station basically said, no, we don't, we don't play that band. 0:22:39.080 --> 0:22:41.280 Here he goes, no, no, you should play that band. 0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:47.760 He starts to quote semi threaten verbally you better play 0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:51.119 a Kiss, and they're going no, we're not going to 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:54.159 do it. He said, well at five o'clock today, by 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:56.840 that time, if you don't play them. In essence, the 0:22:56.880 --> 0:22:59.960 words went, the Kiss army will surround your small radio 0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:05.000 station outside of town. And radio station didn't play it. 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:10.840 What happened Thousands of Kiss fans surrounded this little, you know, 0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:15.159 one room broadcast center outside of town, and then the 0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:18.680 headline of the newspapers the next day was Kiss Army 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:23.119 invades you know w k RP. It was unbelievable, and 0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:28.080 so the name the Kiss Army stuck. The fans started 0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:31.480 to call themselves that based on that event that started 0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:32.240 in Terre Haute. 0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:35.480 I still have the patch, the original patch back in 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:39.400 the day, because you give kiddy. Yeah, I have so much. 0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:41.800 The one thing that I don't have, and I'm assuming 0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:44.720 you have a lot the pinball machine. I need the 0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:45.480 pinball machine. 0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:48.640 Jane, Well, there are two versions. One is the original 0:23:48.720 --> 0:23:53.000 from the seventies. Thirty five million dollars worth of pinball 0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:57.119 machines were sold that first year. I mean it was 0:23:57.160 --> 0:24:01.040 a big, big thing. And then he's brought out the 0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:05.639 newest generation. I don't know about ten years ago, but 0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:09.240 you can go on YouTube or someplace and find them. 0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:12.040 They're available. You'll have to pay a pretty penny, sure, 0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:14.360 but they're still out there. 0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:16.000 I have your lunch box too. 0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:19.679 As a matter of fact, Kiss is a very strange phenomenon. 0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:23.920 I mean I was as it was going on, my 0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:30.480 jaw was dropping at the astonishing amounts of licensing and merchandising. 0:24:30.560 --> 0:24:33.400 It was just beyond anything anybody had ever done other 0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:37.240 than Disney. So we were like Disney without the overhead. 0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:41.560 We had everything from Kiss condoms to kiss caskets. I meant, 0:24:41.600 --> 0:24:43.240 we got you coming and going. 0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:48.160 Gess with us. He's going to be with us again 0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:50.800 coming up on August at twentieth actually right here at 0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:54.040 the Indiana State Fair. Was there ever something that you 0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:57.520 wish you would have done marketing wise with the band 0:24:57.600 --> 0:25:00.640 to take advantage that you didn't And also, I guess 0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:03.040 reverse that up. Was there something that you did do 0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:04.080 that you wish you hadn't? 0:25:06.000 --> 0:25:09.920 Well it continues now we are now partnered with a 0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:15.040 company called Pomphouse that is working on our makeup and 0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:18.320 you know, the iconic branding and stuff. So they're going 0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:21.479 to be everything from movies in factward at the casting 0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:25.959 stage of a film, cartoon, show, theme parks. I mean, 0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:29.479 it's nuts. It's really going great. If you're ever going 0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:32.119 to be in Las Vegas, I'd recommend you stop by 0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:36.840 at the real hotel. My collection, most of it anyway, 0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:41.919 is at kit World, and your jaw dropped me at 0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:44.600 least a thousand items there. You'll have to spend days 0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:48.840 just to take all that stuff in. Yeah, it's quite right. 0:25:49.720 --> 0:25:53.440 If you say, if you save the American dream, I'm 0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:57.000 telling you coming here is an eighteen as an eight 0:25:57.040 --> 0:25:59.639 and a half year old legal immigrant. You have to 0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:03.880 stress legal because we waited years in line with my mother. 0:26:05.320 --> 0:26:11.720 It it The words just don't describe it anybody anywhere, 0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:16.600 at any time. If you put in the work, there 0:26:16.680 --> 0:26:22.000 are no limitations. The biggest stars in the world, the 0:26:22.160 --> 0:26:25.399 richest people in the world, they're in America. It's just 0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:30.040 there's no limit as long as you're willing to put 0:26:30.080 --> 0:26:31.720 in the time and the work. 0:26:32.040 --> 0:26:35.200 I was a part, not apart with you guys, but 0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:37.639 I was in the building at the field House. Your 0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:41.320 final show here in Indy with the band Kiss was 0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:44.200 now maybe three years ago something like that, in November, 0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:47.800 I think it was. You had these big inflatables of 0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:50.160 all you guys there, you know, you and ploy whatever happened. 0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:52.000 I think they were inflatables, right, those things that you 0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:54.560 carried from concert venue to concert venue. Do you still 0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:55.280 have those simplace. 0:26:56.040 --> 0:26:58.560 Oh, they're not inflatables, they're real giant. 0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:00.600 That's the turn. Somebody told me they're in flatables. 0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:04.800 They walked out of the concert. They're all forty oh. 0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:07.080 Yeah, okay, all right, now I know where you're going. 0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:10.280 Come on now, I'm not as bright as you like. 0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:12.520 I'll take you for your word you have. 0:27:12.840 --> 0:27:16.720 We have warehouses full of that stuff that. 0:27:17.760 --> 0:27:19.960 How can a guys see that? Could I ever see that? 0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:20.879 Would you allow that? 0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:24.120 What do you have in mind? Will? 0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:26.680 What? What strings could you pull? 0:27:27.400 --> 0:27:28.879 Well? I have to warn you I'm straight. 0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:32.480 No, I don't mean that. I mean just in general. Hey, 0:27:32.760 --> 0:27:36.040 longtime fan, generational fan right here, I sure as hell 0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:36.800 would love to see it. 0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:40.639 What do you think I've never had that request from anybody. 0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:46.280 It's happened more times. It's a big, big number. 0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:48.879 You know, you've been on the show a number of times. 0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:51.280 You know, you call me once from Finland. True story? 0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:55.679 Okay, yeah, and then what happened? 0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:59.480 No, we had a healthy conversation while you were in Finland. 0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:00.480 I think that. 0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:04.520 Yeah, it's always good because listen, you and I are 0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:05.040 in lockstep. 0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:05.639 You know. 0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:08.399 You talked about your fans, you had global fans, and 0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:12.359 I am among those that were your largest back then. 0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:15.760 As far as well, you're very into, You're very you're 0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:19.320 very kind, and if you ever meet celebrities of any 0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:22.720 kind that forget that. Were it not for the fans 0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:27.920 who are ultimately and invariably to use big words like gymnasium, 0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:32.199 they're the bosses. And if you start to believe your 0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:36.399 own hype, were it not for the fans, you'd be 0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:38.840 asking the next person in line, would you like some 0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:41.840 fries with that? And by the way, there's nothing wrong 0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:45.080 with that either. Just you know, the work ethic is 0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:48.280 what it's about that you have to recognize that all 0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:52.479 your power you you're you're on the radio, you've got 0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:55.760 millions of fans, you've got zillions of dollars in your pocket, 0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:59.240 but that's all due to the folks listening to you. 0:28:59.440 --> 0:29:04.240 They are your power, and you cannot mistreat the fans. 0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:06.760 They're the bosses. That's where it begins and ends. 0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:09.360 I'm glad you brought that up because that's my favorite 0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:10.720 thing to do, is to go out and do live 0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:14.000 shows with people that come out with me, just like 0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:15.840 you're going to do on the twentieth of August at 0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:17.720 the Indiana State So what what's. 0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:19.160 A party if you're the only one there? 0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:19.560 Come on. 0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:24.120 But the amazing thing about this idea of the fans 0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:28.200 and the people in elections and everything goes to the 0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:31.480 heart of what America is all about, of the people, 0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:35.640 for the people, by the people. The politicians, the rock 0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:38.000 stars and you know, all the people that scale the 0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:41.360 heights come from the loins of the people of the 0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:45.520 United States. They're not born kings and queens and all 0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:47.680 that the way they do in Europe and other parts 0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:52.480 of the world. Our leaders are people who scale the heights, 0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:55.239 come from the people, which is why you should never 0:29:55.320 --> 0:29:56.480 forget where you come from. 0:29:57.040 --> 0:29:59.120 Hey, I get a quick question for you, because there 0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:03.320 is why I never touched her. You mentioned loins now 0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:06.760 twice in our conversation. Could you ever work the word 0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:10.000 loins into a kiss song, into a lyric? How would 0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:13.960 you do it? Yeah, because you're You're a songwriting Hall 0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:16.760 of Famer and I'm just expecting you to turn this 0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:19.360 around like lickety right here. Uh. 0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:24.080 You know, I can't pick on it. But one of 0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:29.240 the reasons I use fancy words, you know, like self 0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:32.520 aggrandizement and other big words. That's amazing. I used to 0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:35.800 be a sixth grade teacher, Yes, and I tried. I 0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:38.760 tried hard to you know, light the fire in the 0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:42.440 belly of these little kids once. Once you have that 0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:47.320 fire of inquisitiveness, then you'll continue to learn your whole life. 0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:50.960 And there used to be a great thing in newspapers 0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:54.480 there used to be words of the day. It was 0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:58.200 a wonderful idea. So a new word every day was 0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:00.960 a little corner in a box and it would tell 0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:03.120 you here's the word, and then here's what it means. 0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:06.880 And by the way, if you if you saw that 0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:09.680 stuff in a year, you'd learn three hundred and sixty 0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:13.160 five new words every years. Those are a lot of words. 0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:17.160 Yeah. Well, I mean things have changed, and you have 0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:19.880 been one that has adapted. When you think about it, 0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:23.760 I said your generational. What you are certainly along with 0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:28.160 your band too, Paul is generational as well. I'm thinking 0:31:28.200 --> 0:31:31.720 about this. How difficult has it been? Because it seems 0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:34.840 like in the last twenty plus years the things have 0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:37.800 changed on a dime, and I mean with a quick pace, 0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:40.520 much quicker than the decades prior to. How have you 0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:41.920 stayed on top of things? With that? 0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:46.920 In my gene, I think you've got to be flexible. 0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:54.480 The world doesn't stand up and tap dance to your whims. 0:31:56.720 --> 0:32:02.600 The esthetics have changed dramatically, and some of it I 0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:05.920 think works, and some of it I think is very extreme. 0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:12.400 Everybody should have the right to aspire and job opportunities 0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:15.920 and be treated nicely and so on. But none of 0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:19.880 us want to have your particular point of view, whether 0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:23.240 it's religious or gender or anything like that pushed in 0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:25.760 our faces, you know. But you should have the right 0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:28.680 to be whoever you want to be, worship who you 0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:32.800 want to worship. You know, it's nobody's business. But try 0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:35.280 not to be an a hole about it and torture 0:32:35.320 --> 0:32:38.440 people by coming up to their faces and telling them 0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:41.160 that your way of life is the only way. 0:32:41.320 --> 0:32:41.600 It's not. 0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:44.520 And by the way, the rest of the people can 0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:49.520 respect your way and not recognize that it's legitimate. But 0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:52.040 if it's good for you, great. The French have a 0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:56.000 phrase called laissez fair live and let live. 0:32:58.160 --> 0:33:02.120 I am Andy. I think we talked about this before 0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:05.360 you were a part of IndyCar in the creation of 0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:08.880 that song, that positioning statement back in the day al 0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:09.880 board more that. 0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:12.800 More than that, I was brought on to try to 0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:20.200 increase the penetration, as they say, of the i r L, 0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:23.360 which was the Indie Racing League, into general pop culture 0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:27.360 because twenty year olds, you know, just it was not 0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:30.719 part of their patois. Hey man, let's go to the races. 0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:34.600 Twenty year olds don't say that, And that's because what 0:33:34.760 --> 0:33:37.200 I wanted to do was to bring in the Kardashians 0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:40.880 to gentlemen, start your engines with the flag and you know, 0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:44.000 like all all that stuff to bring pop culture in. 0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:49.280 I brought in Carmelo Anthony to have his own car. 0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:53.640 It was the car Mellow get it, I got it. 0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:58.800 You try to combine basketball fans with indie fans, and 0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:01.240 I thought the I R L well was the wrong 0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:03.520 kind of branding, even though it had been around for 0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:09.200 ninety two years. I thought it sounded like a communicable disease. Gee, 0:34:09.239 --> 0:34:10.120 I have irl J. 0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:13.280 And that's that's why they changed it pretty quickly Chang. 0:34:13.480 --> 0:34:16.359 Because I was an a hole and I kept torturing them. 0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:19.520 The only thing that resonated around the world was the 0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:22.800 Indy five hundred. Even if you didn't know what it was, 0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:27.480 it sounded cool indy, like independent or individual. I said, 0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:31.760 there's your core word, there's your co word, indied. Nobody 0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:34.360 knows what the five hundred means unless you're a racer 0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:37.880 and so on. It's a car. You're in car, so 0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:41.120 indie car, and that's where that came from. And then 0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:45.640 I said, you guys don't have a theme song. You 0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:47.920 know you can you can have a burger chain and 0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:50.680 they can have a theme song, but welcome you don't. 0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:54.760 So I sat down and wrote I am Indy because 0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:57.800 I love the way I feel when I get behind 0:34:57.880 --> 0:35:00.320 the wheel. I am Indy. And by the way, I 0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:05.520 is all races, all religions, all sexes. And even though 0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:07.560 they them's anything you are, it. 0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:11.439 Could be Indianapolis, Indianapolis, I in Indianapolis, am. 0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:16.520 Indy all that the I love India, all that stuff, 0:35:17.560 --> 0:35:21.200 or I am Indianapolis. That all came from me, babe. 0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:24.440 All the cities in the world noticed that it worked. 0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:28.520 So when we toured the year after, we toured Spain 0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:34.880 and I noticed billboards that I am Barcelona, and then 0:35:34.920 --> 0:35:38.560 the Football League said I am the NFL. Yeah, they 0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:42.360 all took it. Once something works, it works for everything 0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:43.040 and everybody. 0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:48.240 Detroit Rock City is my favorite song with you guys, 0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:51.520 I should say most noted song for me. My favorite 0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:54.520 songs Hotter than Hell? Where's Hotter than Hell? Rank for Eugene. 0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:58.960 Well was at the beginning, songs aren't just songs. 0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:02.040 It's wrong. I think that's raw. To me, it felt raw. 0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:05.520 I liked it. It is it is, but it's also songs. 0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:08.480 Are the soundtrack of your life. You don't just remember 0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:12.359 a song. You remember how old you were, where you were, 0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:14.680 what was going on in your life. That's the magic 0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:19.560 of songs. And when they resonate, you don't just remember 0:36:19.600 --> 0:36:22.279 the song to sing along. You remember where you were, 0:36:22.440 --> 0:36:27.319 who you were with. That's the magic of music. So yeah, 0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:29.600 for me, of course, all that resident because I was 0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:33.360 there for all of it and I am there. But 0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:36.759 you know, there are new songs. In fact, Kiss went 0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:39.239 into the studio and recorded a new song which I'm 0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:40.759 not allowed to talk about just yet. 0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:41.759 I think you should though. 0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:45.279 It'll it'll come out soon. 0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:50.080 Okay, fair, that's fair, Okay, Well you got hey, will 0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:52.560 you guys? Will you guys? And you're coming listen and 0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:54.560 I want to come out and see you on Thursday, 0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:57.000 the twentieth of Vaugus. I hope you don't mind like 0:36:57.120 --> 0:36:59.800 way that in say, hey, remember talking. 0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:04.040 To me, Well, why don't you get your pretty butt 0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:06.440 in the front of the stage. Yes, and I'll pull 0:37:06.560 --> 0:37:08.360 and I'll pull you up so you can sing with us. 0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:10.040 I think that's a hell of an idea. You got 0:37:10.120 --> 0:37:12.920 right there, Gene. Why don't we do that? Let's execute 0:37:12.960 --> 0:37:15.279 this plan that you've come up with. You're really good 0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:17.000 at come up with plans. Let's execute this. 0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:21.879 I'd be my pleasure. I would only recommend to leave 0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:25.400 the big flat red shoes and the red nose and 0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:28.880 the Seltzer bottle at home, I promise, and kind of 0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:30.640 dress up, you know, if you want to be on 0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:32.400 stage with rock stars, so. 0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:35.800 Our cargo shorts out, because that's that's kind of my 0:37:35.920 --> 0:37:37.279 repertoire clothing wise. 0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:43.600 That's a little gay, jeez, it's just with us. 0:37:43.719 --> 0:37:45.480 I do have one final thing I have to ask you, 0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:49.359 because everybody will so completely retired and done with Kiss 0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:52.680 or might there be because you've mentioned new music coming out, 0:37:52.920 --> 0:37:53.759 We've got to wait on that. 0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:57.880 Kiss Kiss kisses going into what happens with caterpillars. You 0:37:58.000 --> 0:38:02.120 go into the cocoon, but what comes out has wings 0:38:02.200 --> 0:38:05.760 and goes in places where the band has never gone before. 0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:09.680 So that's what's going on. A Kiss Pophouse is launching 0:38:09.800 --> 0:38:14.960 us into areas that we've never done before, including movies, cartoons, shows, 0:38:15.080 --> 0:38:18.680 theme parks, all that kind of stuff. You'll see, all right. 0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:20.480 I just want to know if you guys are going 0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:22.520 to get back together one more time, because I thought 0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:24.000 what I saw you in Indy. That was the last 0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:24.600 time at Indy. 0:38:24.800 --> 0:38:28.080 But I'm you know, I want it's the band. We'll 0:38:28.239 --> 0:38:30.440 fall on myself and makeup and stuff. We're not allowed 0:38:30.480 --> 0:38:35.480 to do that. But in November in Las Vegas, we 0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:40.040 do have the Kiss Cruise where without makeup, we'll be 0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:45.479 doing unplugged. We'll be showing there's a secret thing that's 0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:47.440 that will blow your mind that we're going to show 0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:50.040 the fans there. And when the fans come over there, 0:38:50.120 --> 0:38:51.960 we take over the entire I think it's going to 0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:55.040 be at the Virgin Hotel, so every room is taken 0:38:55.120 --> 0:38:58.239 over by the fans. It's a real hoot. It's a 0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:02.160 three day event. Kiss Cruise November, Las Vegas, all right, And. 0:39:02.239 --> 0:39:05.239 Then on the twentieth of August at the Indiana State Fair. 0:39:05.800 --> 0:39:07.480 You're gonna be there and I'm gonna be up in 0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:09.320 the front row and I'm gonna come up on stage. 0:39:09.360 --> 0:39:10.680 We're gonna sing something cool. 0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:13.320 Hold up, you know, hold up a sign, make it easy. 0:39:13.719 --> 0:39:17.160 Hey, remember this guy you called me from Finland once 0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:18.520 as well? It'll be on my side. 0:39:18.920 --> 0:39:21.640 The question is what did I call you exactly? 0:39:22.239 --> 0:39:23.160 It's always a pleasure. 0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:23.719 Thank you. 0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:25.320 For calling in and I can't wait to see you 0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:27.480 coming up in August August the twentieth. 0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:29.279 Okay, you bet see that. 0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:32.920 Gene Simmons on the Andy Moore Automotive Group potlined as 0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:40.719 usual an incredibly interesting conversation. But meantime on the Andy 0:39:40.760 --> 0:39:45.879 Moore Automotive Group potline, here he is. The summertime has 0:39:46.040 --> 0:39:50.840 officially ended. No more poping open the water plug or anything. 0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:54.600 It is all over for Steven Holder of ESPN because 0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:58.040 it gets real coming up tomorrow. Good afternoon, Stephen. 0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:04.040 Hello, there mixed feelings always at the time of year. 0:40:04.960 --> 0:40:07.120 Summertime is officially over for you. 0:40:08.040 --> 0:40:11.439 Yeah, it's fine because the truth is, man, we spent 0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:14.440 all year talking and talking and talking about it, right, 0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:19.000 and then when they actually give you something tangible, we 0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:21.440 got to be thankful for that. So we got it. 0:40:21.520 --> 0:40:21.640 Man. 0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:25.920 We're ready to roll, all right. Alec Pearce not surprising 0:40:26.400 --> 0:40:29.920 today with the Colts making that announcement of the physically 0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:33.480 unable to perform lists? Was the CJ Ellen Want surprising? 0:40:35.800 --> 0:40:38.960 Yeah, that one was. He He must have had some 0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:43.719 slight issue here in the past what six weeks since 0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:46.400 they've been gone, because when they left for the off 0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:50.120 season he was fine, but he had some sort of 0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:53.120 issue with his calf. Well, hopefully get the details from 0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:56.560 Chris Ballard tomorrow. What I can say for right now 0:40:57.360 --> 0:41:00.279 is that it is not expected to be a long 0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:03.480 term thing. You know, you can go on pup for 0:41:03.600 --> 0:41:05.960 as little as like a day. You know, I've seen 0:41:06.040 --> 0:41:09.600 that actually happen. It just means that at that particular 0:41:09.680 --> 0:41:12.080 moment you are not able to practice like right now. 0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:14.960 But it doesn't mean that he won't be in a 0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:17.520 couple of days or a week from now, or what 0:41:17.640 --> 0:41:20.279 have you. But I do think it is there is 0:41:20.320 --> 0:41:22.600 some urgency to get him out there. There clearly is 0:41:22.760 --> 0:41:27.000 right c J. Allen has to be ready. They don't 0:41:27.080 --> 0:41:30.480 really have a plan being at middle linebacker. He is 0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:34.080 the plan, So certainly they could put a body in there, 0:41:34.160 --> 0:41:36.880 but that's who they want starting at middle linebacker, and 0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:41.080 given all of the responsibilities of that job, he needs 0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:42.919 to be out there. He needs every rep. So I'll 0:41:42.960 --> 0:41:44.439 be watching to see how that goes. 0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:48.680 Is it simply put here that time is for any rookie, 0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:52.960 time is of the essence, But his job responsibility out 0:41:53.000 --> 0:41:56.040 of the gate is going to be substantial here and 0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:58.240 even if he has dealt with it on the highest 0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:01.640 of levels, you know, playing in the SEC, playing at Georgia, 0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:03.600 coming out of high school at a very young age. 0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:07.800 This is massively still going to be different. So you 0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:10.480 can't afford to miss really anytime whatsoever. 0:42:11.760 --> 0:42:14.200 Well, I agree with that, yes, I mean, you know 0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:19.719 historically that that middle linebacker, that's the guy who is 0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:22.919 communicating with lou An Rumo, the defensive coordinator. So he's 0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:27.040 getting the headset in his helmet and getting the play call. 0:42:27.520 --> 0:42:30.759 He's having to huddle the guys up and get them 0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:34.160 lined up. You know, there's a lot of responsibility in 0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:35.960 there for you know, a twenty two year old kid. 0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:39.440 He is mature beyond his years. Having having had a 0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:42.239 little bit of dealings with him, I feel like I 0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:46.080 can sense that from him, and the coaches more so 0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:49.719 more importantly have said that they see that too. So 0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:53.680 I'm optimistic about his ability to do it. Lou An 0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:58.200 Rumo is not a guy to give rookies the benefit 0:42:58.200 --> 0:43:02.040 of the doubt, Okay, never has been, and he's always 0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:05.359 had that reputation where like you know, young guys, you're 0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:08.560 already behind the eight ball with him historically, and so 0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:12.960 that says to me. The fact that Louanna Rumo is 0:43:13.040 --> 0:43:17.520 saying to us, this guy actually has something a little 0:43:17.600 --> 0:43:20.080 different about him, and that carries a lot of weight 0:43:20.160 --> 0:43:22.360 with me, you know, because that's not something he just says, 0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:26.080 you know, just casually. So so I think it's all 0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:31.080 positive with c. J. Allen with the understanding, Okay, as 0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:34.960 long as you have the understanding that rookies do screw up. Okay, 0:43:35.600 --> 0:43:38.480 he's gonna blow a coverage at some point, he's gonna 0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:41.920 he's gonna, you know, have a bad run fit here 0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:43.880 and there. You know, those things happen, they just do 0:43:44.120 --> 0:43:46.759 and you have to accept them. And and that is 0:43:46.840 --> 0:43:48.560 just sort of part for the course of young guys. 0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:48.719 You know. 0:43:48.800 --> 0:43:50.560 It's interesting about to Stephen hold Us on the Andy 0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:53.719 Morrel Amotive Group pod line that while you expect that 0:43:54.000 --> 0:43:56.919 and that absolutely is going to happen, and that gonna 0:43:56.920 --> 0:43:58.359 be a lot of Colts fans they're going to give 0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:00.360 this too much leeway. It's gonna be you got to 0:44:00.360 --> 0:44:01.560 get out there and you got to get humping. You 0:44:01.560 --> 0:44:03.120 gotta get humping right away. We're going to get to 0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:05.080 your questions. You have to start the season in just 0:44:05.160 --> 0:44:09.399 a second, which are ample, certainly even more than last year. 0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:12.280 And really what is representative about that is the start 0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:15.680 they got off to was tremendous, but because there were 0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:20.440 no end of season results, injuries, whatever the case, people 0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:23.000 view them with a lot more questions than even what 0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:25.279 we had talked about a year ago. But before we 0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:29.080 get to that, Alec Pierce, what's your expectation on how 0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:32.440 long he is he's going to be waiting to get 0:44:32.480 --> 0:44:34.280 back into things after the surgery. 0:44:35.600 --> 0:44:37.799 Yeah, well, I mean we can only speculate right now, 0:44:37.960 --> 0:44:40.040 but I will let's go back to what he said 0:44:40.960 --> 0:44:43.320 in the off season, which I mean he left the 0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:47.960 door open for this to potentially be a little bit 0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:51.200 of a lengthy absence. Okay, that's not me putting those 0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:54.279 words in his mouth. I mean he said that he 0:44:54.360 --> 0:44:58.239 had a ways to go, and he said hopefully this 0:44:58.400 --> 0:45:01.840 doesn't linger beyond mid all guests. But the fact that 0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:05.000 or he said, like, you know, I think the words 0:45:05.040 --> 0:45:07.920 he used were, you know, hopefully it doesn't last more 0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:11.120 than a couple of weeks into camp. But that tells 0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:14.120 me that he left that possibility open that this thing 0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:16.400 could linger a couple of weeks into camp. Well, that 0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:20.480 puts us I think almost beyond the dual practices, the 0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:22.640 joint practices, in which of which they have. 0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:23.360 I think, what. 0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:27.440 Late next week, if I'm not mistaken, I gotta get 0:45:27.440 --> 0:45:29.399 my calendar right here. I don't have it in front 0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:31.520 of me. But my point is they're heading out to 0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:34.800 New England. I think late next week already, you know, 0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:39.680 for for the their first joint workout, and then you know, 0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:42.440 the week after that they're back here I think the 0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:46.480 week after that for Atlanta. Right, So those are big workouts, 0:45:46.520 --> 0:45:49.960 those are really important practices. And you've got a quarterback 0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:52.440 coming off an injury, you got his number one receiver 0:45:52.800 --> 0:45:55.960 coming off an injury. They haven't had any time together 0:45:56.080 --> 0:45:59.480 this off season, you know all those little thing they 0:45:59.600 --> 0:46:03.480 are yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean these are all impediments 0:46:03.760 --> 0:46:07.399 to progress, right. Progress happens when you are out there 0:46:07.600 --> 0:46:09.759 and you're throwing the ball to each other and you're 0:46:09.760 --> 0:46:13.319 getting work done. They are not doing either of those 0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:18.080 things because they have not been together, and even Daniel 0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:21.600 Jones has been limited obviously. So yeah, I mean it's 0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:24.640 not conducive to success. It doesn't mean they can't have success, 0:46:25.000 --> 0:46:28.200 it just means this isn't helping them achieve. 0:46:27.880 --> 0:46:31.640 It well in the end, Michael Pittman, even without you know, 0:46:31.800 --> 0:46:34.960 the the high level of production with Michael Pittman Junior, 0:46:35.160 --> 0:46:37.160 and a lot of people are going to easily forget 0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:40.480 about his presence there because there was not that level 0:46:40.760 --> 0:46:45.320 of expected production. But it's even more magnified the longer 0:46:45.400 --> 0:46:48.040 that Alec Pierce is not there, because it's going to 0:46:48.080 --> 0:46:51.760 be like a Halliburton situation, Stephen, the expectation for Halliburton. 0:46:51.840 --> 0:46:54.239 It's going to be unfair. Is Hey, he's all of 0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:56.440 a sudden going to be postseason or the year before 0:46:56.560 --> 0:47:00.319 last when he hits the floor in October, and you're 0:47:00.320 --> 0:47:02.360 going to have to see seemingly to Alec Pierce hit 0:47:02.440 --> 0:47:05.120 the ground running at a very fast pace, which is probably, 0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:06.480 simply put, not going to happen. 0:47:08.280 --> 0:47:12.560 Yeah, I think, you know, the the Michael Pittman Junior issue, 0:47:12.960 --> 0:47:15.200 I think is something we have to talk about and 0:47:15.320 --> 0:47:17.920 we have, but I just don't think we can. We 0:47:18.000 --> 0:47:20.600 can't turn the page from it yet until they figure 0:47:20.640 --> 0:47:23.920 out how to turn the page there. Look, this guy 0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:28.359 caught eighty passes last year. Now he had I'm looking 0:47:28.360 --> 0:47:30.720 at it, yet he was only nine point eight yards 0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:35.400 per reception. Which is, you know, very modest. But on 0:47:35.520 --> 0:47:40.239 the other hand, let's think about this. Take eighty receptions 0:47:40.360 --> 0:47:43.120 out of that offense last year, and do you think 0:47:43.160 --> 0:47:45.879 you feel it? I would say absolutely, you feel it, right, 0:47:46.480 --> 0:47:49.399 So you have to make that up somewhere, and they're 0:47:49.440 --> 0:47:51.560 going to have to make it up right now, at 0:47:51.680 --> 0:47:54.359 least with a with a lesser player. You know, they 0:47:54.400 --> 0:47:56.800 still have options out there. I don't think Vivo Samuel 0:47:56.880 --> 0:48:01.000 has landed anywhere, if I'm not mistaken. You know, there's 0:48:01.080 --> 0:48:04.680 there's always Stefon Diggs, which you know that's a whole 0:48:04.880 --> 0:48:08.880 different conversation. But you know Keenan Allen, right, So I mean, 0:48:08.960 --> 0:48:12.680 like I do think that's still in play. Like them 0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:16.320 signing a wide receiver, I have not turned the page 0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:18.600 on that. I think that they will keep that on 0:48:18.800 --> 0:48:23.600 the table depending on how this goes to start training camp. 0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:25.800 You know, I just think they're too thin. That's just 0:48:26.000 --> 0:48:29.400 my my assessment of it. At wide receiver, I think 0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:32.560 they're too thin. You are one injury away from a catastrophe. 0:48:32.840 --> 0:48:35.800 Should have Alick Pierce got that procedure done earlier? 0:48:37.560 --> 0:48:42.600 Well, ideally, yes, but I don't think it was just 0:48:43.040 --> 0:48:45.480 as simple as I'm a free agent and I don't 0:48:45.480 --> 0:48:47.919 want to do this right now now. Did that play 0:48:47.960 --> 0:48:52.880 some rolling, Possibly, It's totally possible. But I also understand 0:48:52.920 --> 0:48:55.960 what he's saying, which is that, you know, the doctors 0:48:56.080 --> 0:48:58.360 said that there were there were a couple of different 0:48:58.400 --> 0:49:02.920 ways to handle this, and the first, the first approach 0:49:03.040 --> 0:49:06.480 to it with a certain form of treatment. That approach, 0:49:07.280 --> 0:49:09.279 they tried it, and they thought that it had a 0:49:09.400 --> 0:49:11.839 chance to work. It did not take this bottom line, 0:49:11.880 --> 0:49:14.399 it just did not. And the problem is you had 0:49:14.480 --> 0:49:14.880 to give it. 0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:15.480 I believe. 0:49:16.560 --> 0:49:18.320 I think it was like platelet treatment, you know what 0:49:18.360 --> 0:49:21.600 I mean. And you know, and I think by the 0:49:21.760 --> 0:49:25.279 time they gave that it's opportunity to run its course, 0:49:25.320 --> 0:49:29.080 which I believe is like an eight week process. By 0:49:29.160 --> 0:49:31.160 the time you do that, you're into March. Now, you know, 0:49:31.320 --> 0:49:34.680 after the season, the season's over in January, you go 0:49:34.800 --> 0:49:37.520 get checked out and then you got to give it 0:49:37.600 --> 0:49:40.960 two months, So it's March by the time they realize 0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:44.239 this thing's not working. And so at that point, now 0:49:44.360 --> 0:49:46.759 he's having surgery and he's a free agent at that point. 0:49:46.880 --> 0:49:49.680 So you're probably at that point waiting until after you sign. 0:49:49.800 --> 0:49:52.840 You know, you don't want to in his defense, I 0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:56.240 wouldn't do surgery the week before I become a free. 0:49:56.120 --> 0:49:56.880 Agent, right, So. 0:49:58.400 --> 0:50:01.239 Yeah, it was not ideal, it was not and yes, 0:50:02.120 --> 0:50:06.759 ideally it would have been done earlier, but because of 0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:10.600 those meetings mitigating circumstances, it was not. And so he's 0:50:10.640 --> 0:50:11.359 behind the eight ball. 0:50:11.440 --> 0:50:13.359 Now do you do you think had he not been 0:50:13.600 --> 0:50:16.480 a free agent in that situation, do you think that 0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:20.400 they would have decided against the whole platelet treatment aspect 0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:22.960 and gone ahead and done the surgery and matched up 0:50:23.000 --> 0:50:25.760 the timeline better than what ultimately happened. 0:50:27.080 --> 0:50:32.000 Right, Maybe maybe, But I but I also think that 0:50:32.400 --> 0:50:36.719 this this surgery was it was not a mandatory thing. 0:50:36.960 --> 0:50:39.200 In other words, what I mean is he could have 0:50:39.400 --> 0:50:42.600 played this year without this surgery. So I think he 0:50:42.719 --> 0:50:45.000 was trying to avoid surgery. Like there's some things where 0:50:45.040 --> 0:50:47.400 it's like, all right, the only way to fix this 0:50:47.680 --> 0:50:50.800 surgery and then there's no there's no doubt, right, you 0:50:50.920 --> 0:50:52.640 go ahead and you do it as soon as possible. 0:50:53.040 --> 0:50:57.240 This was a great area situation. So if you're the player, 0:50:58.640 --> 0:51:00.480 you know you're thinking about it. Okay, well, what is 0:51:00.560 --> 0:51:04.200 the least obtrusive way to handle this? You know, I 0:51:04.239 --> 0:51:07.360 think just from a human perspective, the last resort is 0:51:07.600 --> 0:51:10.120 a surgery, right, and so if they say that there 0:51:10.239 --> 0:51:14.120 is the chance of this being resolved in another way, 0:51:14.960 --> 0:51:17.120 I understand wanting to look at that and give that 0:51:17.239 --> 0:51:23.680 a chance. Even after it did not work, Okay, there 0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:28.839 was still a conversation about whether they wanted whether they 0:51:28.920 --> 0:51:33.320 wanted to actually move forward with surgery. So Alec Pierce 0:51:33.800 --> 0:51:36.360 ultimately said he is the one that said, look, I 0:51:36.400 --> 0:51:38.239 don't want to have to deal with this all year 0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:41.360 long and having this nagging issue, and so he and 0:51:41.480 --> 0:51:44.160 Chris Ballard came to an agreement that this was the 0:51:44.200 --> 0:51:46.200 best way to move forward and get the surgery done. 0:51:46.239 --> 0:51:46.399 Now. 0:51:46.760 --> 0:51:49.880 If he didn't, the odds are he would have needed 0:51:49.920 --> 0:51:52.640 the surgery on the back end of the twenty twenty 0:51:52.680 --> 0:51:56.080 sixth season anyway. So it made sense to do it. 0:51:56.320 --> 0:51:59.480 But it just happened unfortunately later than it could have. 0:52:00.000 --> 0:52:00.960 That's the unfortunate part. 0:52:01.200 --> 0:52:04.720 Stephen Holder, ESPN, ESPN dot Com Report Day coming up tomorrow, 0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:07.839 final time around for the Colts in Graham Park and Westfield. 0:52:07.960 --> 0:52:10.160 Steven will be up there, I know all our guys 0:52:10.960 --> 0:52:13.319 the fan morning show in Querying Company will be up 0:52:13.320 --> 0:52:16.400 there as well. All coming up tomorrow with things officially 0:52:16.400 --> 0:52:20.160 get underway in Colts Camp. So the guy that and 0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:23.799 evidently now Daniel Jones is cleared. Now this is something 0:52:23.880 --> 0:52:26.560 we weren't going to question. We'll see how he comes along. 0:52:27.160 --> 0:52:30.600 But you consider Daniel Jones his Achilles injury, that of 0:52:30.719 --> 0:52:34.360 Jason Tatum and then Tyrese Halliburton. So is this surgeon 0:52:34.440 --> 0:52:36.359 going to go down in history as the goat all 0:52:36.520 --> 0:52:40.960 time with orthopedic surgery in mind with Achilles injuries? Because 0:52:41.000 --> 0:52:42.880 this is an amazing run this fella is on. 0:52:44.360 --> 0:52:47.280 Yeah, I mean, this guy, he's the ninety six bulls 0:52:47.360 --> 0:52:47.719 right now. 0:52:49.040 --> 0:52:50.120 It's pretty remarkable. 0:52:50.239 --> 0:52:53.920 I mean, I do think that there are other there 0:52:53.960 --> 0:52:57.800 are other physicians, you know, with with I think comparable 0:52:57.960 --> 0:53:00.640 track records, just because the science is getting better, you know. 0:53:01.680 --> 0:53:05.839 But it also is a tribute to the players themselves, right, 0:53:05.920 --> 0:53:08.360 I mean, it takes a significant amount of work. And 0:53:09.440 --> 0:53:12.360 if you know anything about the work ethic of Daniel Jones, 0:53:12.560 --> 0:53:15.920 and it seems that Tyree is similar, right, and just 0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:18.880 like this is very important to him, right, Jason Tatum 0:53:19.320 --> 0:53:21.200 was locked in as far as I can tell. You know, 0:53:21.440 --> 0:53:25.360 we're on the outside looking in, But it does appear 0:53:25.520 --> 0:53:28.520 that like, it takes a certain level of dedication, like 0:53:28.560 --> 0:53:31.000 you can't miss a day or rehab. You know, you 0:53:31.160 --> 0:53:33.719 have to be all in. You have to just push 0:53:33.840 --> 0:53:37.080 and push and push. And I know enough about Daniel 0:53:37.120 --> 0:53:39.279 Jones to know that there is no other way with him. 0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:43.080 So it's a combination of great job on the medical side, 0:53:44.840 --> 0:53:50.000 just unrelenting attitude from the player, and science is doing 0:53:50.080 --> 0:53:50.560 what it does. 0:53:50.719 --> 0:53:50.879 Man. 0:53:51.000 --> 0:53:53.600 So you love to see it, you know, you really do. 0:53:53.960 --> 0:53:56.640 I mean I come from you know, I'm not. I 0:53:56.680 --> 0:53:58.800 think we're close in age. And I can tell you 0:53:59.000 --> 0:54:00.799 you know when I was coming up and you heard 0:54:00.840 --> 0:54:03.640 a guy hav an achilles injury, Yeah, and you're thinking, Okay, 0:54:03.680 --> 0:54:06.680 well we better draft the guy because he's done. I 0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:10.040 mean literally right, you know. So you know I grew 0:54:10.120 --> 0:54:12.960 up there. Everybody probably knows this final, you know, South 0:54:12.960 --> 0:54:15.920 Florida kid. And I remember when Dan Marino had an 0:54:15.920 --> 0:54:19.799 achilles injury. It was terrifying because you're thinking this might 0:54:19.880 --> 0:54:22.719 be the end. He'll never be the same. And he 0:54:22.800 --> 0:54:24.799 actually did come back. He was the rare guy who 0:54:24.880 --> 0:54:27.120 did come back. And I think the year after I 0:54:27.320 --> 0:54:30.680 actually wrote about this recently in relation to Daniel Jones, 0:54:30.960 --> 0:54:32.400 he came back the next year and I think he 0:54:32.520 --> 0:54:34.920 had like a four thousand yard season and threw like 0:54:35.000 --> 0:54:39.040 thirty touchdowns. But that was like alien back then, you know, 0:54:39.480 --> 0:54:42.440 literally just like unheard of. So we're in a new 0:54:42.480 --> 0:54:45.919 world and it can be done. But I still think 0:54:47.120 --> 0:54:50.880 we can't really affess Daniel Jones until we see him 0:54:50.920 --> 0:54:53.359 out there between the lines, and that will be more 0:54:53.400 --> 0:54:56.000 than likely against the Baltimore Ravens in Week one. 0:54:56.280 --> 0:55:01.080 See, and that's what is so troublesome about now in 0:55:01.200 --> 0:55:05.480 the joint gatherings you mentioned New England and then Atlanta 0:55:05.520 --> 0:55:09.920 as well, what's his activity basis going to be in those. 0:55:11.000 --> 0:55:16.319 Well that's actually a good barometer because you know it's 0:55:16.400 --> 0:55:19.320 it's less predictable for the quarterback. Right, these are controlled 0:55:19.440 --> 0:55:24.040 environments still, you know, they can't come off the edge, 0:55:24.719 --> 0:55:28.640 you know, the the Patriots Stephens the line can't come 0:55:28.680 --> 0:55:32.040 off the edge and hit Daniel Jones and the joint practice, 0:55:32.600 --> 0:55:35.440 but you know they they are going to you know, 0:55:35.520 --> 0:55:38.680 probably use a lot of their their blitzes and their 0:55:38.760 --> 0:55:41.440 twists and and so he's not going to know what's coming, right. 0:55:42.840 --> 0:55:45.080 They don't do that in the preseason games, so you 0:55:45.320 --> 0:55:49.160 actually see more tactics in the joint practices because it's 0:55:49.200 --> 0:55:51.840 not on film for the rest of the league to watch, 0:55:52.239 --> 0:55:55.200 so teams are more liberal with what they show. So 0:55:55.320 --> 0:55:57.560 he's going to get challenged, no question about it. He'll 0:55:57.560 --> 0:55:59.400 have to throw on the run and all that, but 0:56:00.280 --> 0:56:03.680 the urgency isn't quite the same because no one is 0:56:03.840 --> 0:56:07.200 really permitted to hit you. So you know, we'll see, 0:56:07.360 --> 0:56:10.880 we will see. I do think we will have a 0:56:10.920 --> 0:56:14.359 pretty good sense of where he's at during training camp. 0:56:14.719 --> 0:56:18.160 All I'm saying is I just think game speed is 0:56:18.520 --> 0:56:22.200 another notch up, right, actual regular season game speed. It 0:56:22.320 --> 0:56:26.360 is another notch up, probably several notches from practice. And 0:56:26.560 --> 0:56:30.600 there's also the reality that you're getting hit and you 0:56:30.680 --> 0:56:33.400 can get contorted and different things can happen. So I 0:56:33.480 --> 0:56:35.640 have no fear that he's going to like reinjure the thing. 0:56:36.160 --> 0:56:40.239 It's just a matter of whether Daniel Jones can can 0:56:40.360 --> 0:56:42.680 recapture the explosiveness. 0:56:42.360 --> 0:56:43.400 That he has always had. 0:56:43.440 --> 0:56:45.520 He's a pretty good He's a pretty good athlete, right 0:56:45.640 --> 0:56:50.239 and one of the reasons he is good well, one 0:56:50.239 --> 0:56:52.440 of the reasons he was so good last year is 0:56:52.520 --> 0:56:55.440 because of his ability to move and throw on the 0:56:55.520 --> 0:56:57.040 run and get away from pressure. 0:56:58.000 --> 0:56:59.600 Is that going to be compromised at all? 0:57:00.080 --> 0:57:02.960 The question before I let you go, you had questions 0:57:03.040 --> 0:57:06.239 and many more questions going into this year than going 0:57:06.360 --> 0:57:09.080 into last year, because in the first eight plus weeks 0:57:09.120 --> 0:57:11.520 of the season, a high bar was said and then 0:57:11.600 --> 0:57:13.719 we saw them, you know, fall into the cellar once 0:57:13.760 --> 0:57:18.840 again with injuries and losses and no postseason. So where 0:57:18.880 --> 0:57:21.560 do you start with your list of questions? Among those, 0:57:21.960 --> 0:57:24.280 I think we've kind of already alluded to in our 0:57:24.360 --> 0:57:25.400 conversation Stephen. 0:57:26.560 --> 0:57:30.440 Yeah, well, I think we outlined the issue with Daniel Jones. 0:57:30.480 --> 0:57:33.160 But I think there's a second issue, which is this. 0:57:33.560 --> 0:57:36.120 It's it's not just Kenny bounce back from the injury. 0:57:36.760 --> 0:57:41.320 It's also that he has to stay healthy. Okay, it's 0:57:41.400 --> 0:57:43.840 not just the Achilles, right, I mean, he's had one 0:57:45.160 --> 0:57:48.120 real injury free season. I would say a couple I 0:57:48.200 --> 0:57:53.400 guess injury free season, and it's troublesome, you know. 0:57:53.480 --> 0:57:54.040 It really is. 0:57:54.640 --> 0:57:57.520 I would contend, and I'm gonna I'm gonna write about 0:57:57.560 --> 0:57:59.800 this this week. I think this is great perspective that 0:58:00.040 --> 0:58:03.800 he have to think about. This is, in my estimation, 0:58:04.520 --> 0:58:08.480 the biggest year of Daniel Jones' career. Think about it, 0:58:09.000 --> 0:58:14.240 because right now, what he has is eight games or 0:58:14.360 --> 0:58:16.760 nine games whatever it is, of like really good football 0:58:16.840 --> 0:58:19.200 last year, and then he got hurt. And so if 0:58:19.280 --> 0:58:22.560 you are a talent evaluator, a personnel executive in the 0:58:22.680 --> 0:58:25.240 NFL and Daniel Jones is out there and you're evaluating 0:58:25.320 --> 0:58:30.600 him right now, you're telling yourself good player. But as usual, 0:58:30.880 --> 0:58:34.360 he got hurt, right That's what So this is his chance, 0:58:34.840 --> 0:58:37.000 I think to change the narratives. He has to have 0:58:37.120 --> 0:58:41.480 a season that changes narratives for this to really for 0:58:41.600 --> 0:58:43.840 him to really be seen as the guy he wants 0:58:43.920 --> 0:58:45.800 to be. So I think it's a huge year for him. 0:58:46.000 --> 0:58:46.680 That's number one. 0:58:47.760 --> 0:58:50.680 We haven't talked a lot about defense, but they have 0:58:50.880 --> 0:58:55.160 to have I think a significant improvement on defense, and 0:58:55.200 --> 0:58:57.840 they're going to have to do it with a younger defense, 0:58:58.160 --> 0:59:01.400 which is a challenge. So what does lou Anna Rumo 0:59:01.520 --> 0:59:04.800 have up his lead? Significant challenge for him, I think. 0:59:05.400 --> 0:59:09.040 And then thirdly I mentioned wide receiver. We talked about 0:59:09.040 --> 0:59:12.400 Alec Pierce at length. It's really the rest of that group, right, 0:59:12.560 --> 0:59:15.320 you know Josh Downs, how much can he fill in 0:59:15.520 --> 0:59:18.360 the gaps? You know that Michael Pittman left. I think 0:59:18.400 --> 0:59:21.160 he'll he'll do a good job of that. Tyler Warren 0:59:21.280 --> 0:59:23.360 is a factor there as well, even though he's a 0:59:23.400 --> 0:59:25.640 tight end. But certainly he's going to be their volume guy. 0:59:26.560 --> 0:59:29.080 But who's the other who's that third wide receiver? 0:59:29.560 --> 0:59:29.880 Right now? 0:59:29.960 --> 0:59:32.880 It's like Ashton Doolan, right, I mean, are you good 0:59:32.960 --> 0:59:35.800 with that? Are you sleeping okay at night? I don't know, 0:59:36.480 --> 0:59:38.440 you know, And I think those are the kinds of 0:59:38.520 --> 0:59:41.720 questions that we have to look at. And there are 0:59:41.800 --> 0:59:44.320 many many more, right, many many more, But those are 0:59:44.360 --> 0:59:47.520 big ones. Those are big, big questions. And and the 0:59:47.680 --> 0:59:50.760 last thing I'll say is that you know, teams with questions, 0:59:50.880 --> 0:59:53.880 every team has them. But when you have questions on 0:59:54.040 --> 0:59:59.680 your big important difference makers, that's where it gets dicey, 1:00:00.000 --> 1:00:01.600 you know, because you're not going to bat a thousand. 1:00:01.760 --> 1:00:03.680 There are going to be some problems. And that's just 1:00:03.720 --> 1:00:04.560 the way the NFL is. 1:00:04.640 --> 1:00:07.040 When you talk about lou Anroumo trying to do something 1:00:07.280 --> 1:00:10.640 with a team of a lot of young players, and 1:00:10.760 --> 1:00:12.760 then trying to do something with a team that is 1:00:13.000 --> 1:00:17.880 really as far as impact defensively has built mass awkwards, 1:00:18.160 --> 1:00:21.640 as you might say, because normally it's upfront pressure that 1:00:21.760 --> 1:00:24.800 you can count all that was his phone right there. Hey, 1:00:24.840 --> 1:00:26.640 go ahead and let I tell you what Caleb. Call 1:00:26.760 --> 1:00:29.560 him back and I'll take us to a break. There 1:00:29.640 --> 1:00:33.600 is heavy weather, I think going through Hamilton County right now. 1:00:33.760 --> 1:00:36.800 I see it in and around Carmel and Noblesville on 1:00:36.920 --> 1:00:40.400 my accurate weather radar right here. Hey, call him back 1:00:40.440 --> 1:00:42.520 and tell him thank you very much for joining us. 1:00:42.560 --> 1:00:45.040 I think that was weather related right there, with that 1:00:45.160 --> 1:00:45.760 disconnection