Speaker 1: The ride with JMV. This is how I eat corner
Speaker 1: of the cob. I boil it, I go shirtless out
Speaker 1: of my back deck, eat it like I ravage it,
Speaker 1: and then throw the cob out into the back forty
Speaker 1: that he three five and one oh seven five the
Speaker 1: fan Here he is off the turn four.
Speaker 2: It's time time in Indy.
Speaker 1: Corey Heim gonna win the brickyard four.
Speaker 3: Hundred TNT on the broadcast yesterday.
Speaker 1: That was that TNT? Was that ours? Right there? I'm
Speaker 1: sorry that was ours?
Speaker 4: T right?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 5: Wasn't?
Speaker 2: Was it?
Speaker 1: Okay? I want to make sure I get that one right.
Speaker 1: I will say I think the call for both they
Speaker 1: were both better than the actual race. Right there, Heim Time,
Speaker 1: corey Heim, your winner. Gene Simmons Top of the hour,
Speaker 1: Steven Holder, the start of Colt's camp, Daniel Jones the clearance.
Speaker 1: Now getting cleared to go is one thing, but up
Speaker 1: to speed. Hey, listen, I'm rocking the good news today,
Speaker 1: so we'll rock the good news regarding Daniel Jones. The
Speaker 1: Stephen Holder coming up and his questions to start the season, which,
Speaker 1: just like most of us, are many. Steven Holder coming
Speaker 1: up at the five o'clock hour. But on the end
Speaker 1: of Moore at the body of group potline it is
Speaker 1: our friend from Fox and then some Kevin Lee is
Speaker 1: with us. Hey, keV, is there any ideas that you
Speaker 1: have that could get more people out there and didn't
Speaker 1: have the optics that we saw yesterday at IMS regarding
Speaker 1: that Brickyard four hundred or is it just always going
Speaker 1: to be, at least until further notice a struggle in
Speaker 1: that capacity.
Speaker 5: So I think there are several perspectives and paths to
Speaker 5: looking at this, and this can be seen as spin,
Speaker 5: but it is the truth that the number of people
Speaker 5: there is still higher than most of the NASCAR races
Speaker 5: and most sporting events. You know, I don't know what
Speaker 5: it was, fifty seventy thousand, somewhere in that range. That's
Speaker 5: still a pretty good crowd. This is a very unique
Speaker 5: venue though that it's just so massive, and if it
Speaker 5: wasn't for the popularity of the Indianapolis five hundred, they
Speaker 5: would have taken seats out of this place like they
Speaker 5: did at Daytona and like they've done at many other
Speaker 5: tracks as well, just for the optics. So I think
Speaker 5: you have to approach it with reality, and the reality
Speaker 5: is if you're the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. You want this event.
Speaker 5: You need this event because of the guaranteed revenue that
Speaker 5: comes from the television contract. So the discussion is going
Speaker 5: to be on the NASCAR side of things. Do the
Speaker 5: optics become too much of a talking point? I actually
Speaker 5: thought the crowd was okay yesterday. Saturday is the one
Speaker 5: that was more jarring. But the Saturday races with the
Speaker 5: O'Reilly series don't often have that many people in the stands.
Speaker 5: You know, there were five ten times more people it
Speaker 5: seemed at Raceway Park on Friday night for the truck race,
Speaker 5: it was packed. That's probably twenty five or thirty thousand.
Speaker 5: I don't know what was there on Saturday. Back to
Speaker 5: your question, to get more people there, the racing would
Speaker 5: have to improve. That's going to be hard to do.
Speaker 5: That's always been more of a processional race. It's about
Speaker 5: the significance of the prestige of it. And you know,
Speaker 5: the NASCAR insiders would be able to explain the package,
Speaker 5: the arrow package more, but this is a challenging place.
Speaker 5: So I think you just have to understand that this
Speaker 5: is going to be more of a strategy race. I
Speaker 5: do wonder if if the stage racing takes out some
Speaker 5: different options, but it does also guarantee you of some
Speaker 5: cautions and restarts, and those portions of the race we're
Speaker 5: entertaining every restart. You saw some side by side racing.
Speaker 5: The longer it goes on, though, the more processional becomes,
Speaker 5: and it was very difficult to pass. So I wish
Speaker 5: it was a little bit better. I wish it was
Speaker 5: packed like it used to be. But a lot of
Speaker 5: things have changed in the last fifteen years.
Speaker 1: Good and IMS has been really proactive and good about
Speaker 1: this of trying to add different things for different generationally
Speaker 1: speaking ages to enjoy. And that's why I mentioned this
Speaker 1: a little bit earlier. You get a ton of kids
Speaker 1: out there watching ZED and not paying attention to the
Speaker 1: race going on, and then you get in the stands,
Speaker 1: people say, what the hell's going on over there with
Speaker 1: those ton of kids watching ZED while they're concentrating on
Speaker 1: the race. I think that they have done a tremendous job,
Speaker 1: and certainly since the one hundredth the five hundred, which
Speaker 1: has always been great, but it seems like now it
Speaker 1: is even more of a destination, which so overshadows what
Speaker 1: we witnessed regardless of what you maybe thought was an
Speaker 1: uptick in fans out there yesterday. Optically speaking, that is
Speaker 1: always going to be incredibly difficult for anybody out that'll overcome.
Speaker 4: And it's a.
Speaker 5: Challenging date as well. Now the weather was it was
Speaker 5: hot yesterday, but it's usually hotter than this, so that's
Speaker 5: always going to be difficult. And they've tried the race
Speaker 5: in September, it's been in August, it's been in all
Speaker 5: different times of the year.
Speaker 1: Did you put it a week after the five hundred end? Help?
Speaker 5: Now, I don't think anybody, at least the people that
Speaker 5: run racetracks never want that. That's part of the scheduling
Speaker 5: challenge that IndyCar faces when they want to go anywhere
Speaker 5: where there is a NASCAR event, is they want it
Speaker 5: spread out a month or so. Part of it is
Speaker 5: just the effort that it takes and the round the
Speaker 5: clock work that goes into putting on a race event.
Speaker 5: To do it back to back with the same staff
Speaker 5: would be very difficult, and just logic says, you know,
Speaker 5: it's a bit of it's a bit of work. It's
Speaker 5: a commitment to go to the Indianapolis Motor Speedway for
Speaker 5: an event that has more than seventy five thousand people,
Speaker 5: and I don't think your chances are very good of
Speaker 5: doing that on back to back races. I think spreading
Speaker 5: it out as far as you can get is better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know if you could take advantage of
Speaker 1: the enthusiasm, you know, right after the five hundred of
Speaker 1: people always just wanted to be out there more and
Speaker 1: maybe take advantage of that.
Speaker 5: People would say that the people that have done the
Speaker 5: studies that say that's probably not going to go very well.
Speaker 5: You're going to have people choose between one or the other,
Speaker 5: and it might hurt the Indy five hundred too. Now
Speaker 5: you might get a combined total number. Maybe that's better
Speaker 5: than what you have now from the built in promotion.
Speaker 5: But I think logic and other people that run tracks
Speaker 5: as promoters say that you want your events spread out.
Speaker 5: I just know this. I've been to places before where
Speaker 5: one one motorsport was at a track. For example, I
Speaker 5: was at midd Ohio one year for a NASCAR Xfinity
Speaker 5: race did great because it was their big, first big
Speaker 5: race of the year. The next year it was two
Speaker 5: weeks after the IndyCar race and it was sparse, so
Speaker 5: I think you want to be the first one. You
Speaker 5: don't want to do anything that takes away from the
Speaker 5: Indy five hundred, and then you want to make this
Speaker 5: event stand up on its own. They tried the road course,
Speaker 5: and I actually would probably prefer that. I think the
Speaker 5: racing was more entertaining. NASCAR racing on road courses is
Speaker 5: really good. But I also come from a background, or
Speaker 5: at least I like road racing. Not everyone in NASCAR
Speaker 5: enjoys that, and the drivers were the main force of
Speaker 5: getting a move back to the oval.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: Their point was, and they're not wrong, is if we're
Speaker 5: going to race at Indianapolis, what makes this play special
Speaker 5: is it's where Raynron one in nineteen eleven. We want
Speaker 5: to be on that track, not something that's different. So
Speaker 5: I get that. I don't think this is a failure.
Speaker 5: I think you still look at the number of people
Speaker 5: here is more than you get for most other weekends,
Speaker 5: and a lot of cases it's twice as much. It's
Speaker 5: probably two and a half times more than they had
Speaker 5: a North Wilkesboro a couple of weeks ago. It's just
Speaker 5: the fact that the place is so big, so we're
Speaker 5: going to have to get around that. Now you mentioned concerts,
Speaker 5: maybe you can do something I've said, yeah, to really
Speaker 5: pump up the event. Another challenge is race day. It's
Speaker 5: one race. It's one event, and a lot of race
Speaker 5: fans are used to going somewhere where there are support
Speaker 5: races on the same day. So that's a lot to
Speaker 5: do to come out there and be hot and only
Speaker 5: see one thing. Now, NASCAR races are long enough that
Speaker 5: they kind of stand on their own as far as
Speaker 5: races are concerned, So I don't have an easy answer
Speaker 5: for that. But I just know this from the perspective
Speaker 5: of someone that wants the Indianapolis Motor Speedway to do well.
Speaker 5: I don't want this race going away. It is a
Speaker 5: very important part of their economic footprint.
Speaker 1: I completely yearie with that too, and I feel bad.
Speaker 1: One of my worst takes of all time was wanting
Speaker 1: to see when I joined in with a lot of
Speaker 1: other folks around here and said, hey, F one, don't
Speaker 1: let the going out hit you with a good Lord splitcher,
Speaker 1: because I wish that was still around. Even if I
Speaker 1: don't give two craps about F one, I wish you
Speaker 1: were still heredy too.
Speaker 5: It's the racing capital of the world, and I think
Speaker 5: what adds to that? Now you have the biggest race
Speaker 5: in the world, so it would still have a massive
Speaker 5: amount of significance. But I like the fact that Moto
Speaker 5: GP was here, even though I'm not particularly a Moto
Speaker 5: GP fan. The Formula One was here, that ims the
Speaker 5: sports cars are here. I want to see as many
Speaker 5: different big time motorsports events as we can, and NASCAR
Speaker 5: is the biggest form of motorsports in America, so you
Speaker 5: want to have that as a part of your schedule
Speaker 5: throughout the year.
Speaker 1: So Kevin Lee of course covers Indy Car. They've got
Speaker 1: another week plus before they get back at it. Coming
Speaker 1: up in Portland, I believe, is next up on the schedule.
Speaker 1: Kev's on the Andy Morrot mon If Group hotline. Carson
Speaker 1: Quoppole on Saturday was the winner and then unfortunately to
Speaker 1: have burn out over the yard of bricks and everybody
Speaker 1: was up in arms. I thought that more so than
Speaker 1: anything else, mistake whatever, it would have been a magical
Speaker 1: pr moment and he would have gained fans around here
Speaker 1: hand over fist had he somebody told him, hey, once
Speaker 1: you go down there, grab a wire brush and help
Speaker 1: these guys out. After that win, Hey, I made a mistake,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Why don't we think about that?
Speaker 1: Does that sound too far fetched? Because really it was
Speaker 1: just a support race. Who the hell cares? I mean no,
Speaker 1: that was about the equivalent of one of the tour buses,
Speaker 1: like doing a burnout of the yard of bricks. I mean,
Speaker 1: nobody really cares. But man, that would have been a
Speaker 1: moment to grow your fan base had somebody thought about
Speaker 1: what I've What I've.
Speaker 5: Not scene because I don't follow Carson Koppol on social media,
Speaker 5: is whether he has apologized for this. His team owner
Speaker 5: Dailer and Hard Junior has, So I'm willing to cut
Speaker 5: the kids some slack. I know they say this to
Speaker 5: the driver's meetings, but I also know the drivers don't.
Speaker 1: Pay attention to the driver's Sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he had unplugged his radio. So this is
Speaker 5: the kid's first win. This is the biggest moment of
Speaker 5: his life, and I'm gonna now he made a mistake
Speaker 5: and he's gonna need to apologize for that. But I
Speaker 5: don't think we should cancel him for this. It doesn't
Speaker 5: mean he's a bad kid or anything else. I don't
Speaker 5: know a thing about him. I know Justin Allgeyer did
Speaker 5: it one time too, and I do know Justin Allgeier,
Speaker 5: and I think really highly of him, and I think
Speaker 5: it just slipped his mind. And I know Justin Allgeyer
Speaker 5: has a lot of respect.
Speaker 1: Illis five.
Speaker 5: He's whenever I see him, he always asked me about
Speaker 5: what's going on in IndyCar. You know, he's a race fan.
Speaker 5: Most of these drivers are race fans. So it's okay
Speaker 5: to say, yeah, that was that was a bad move,
Speaker 5: and we're not happy about it. But I don't think
Speaker 5: that you have to ban this young driver from your
Speaker 5: list of favorites for the rest of his life just
Speaker 5: simply because of that. I'm going to take him at
Speaker 5: his word, or at least Junior's word that he just
Speaker 5: wasn't thinking about and got a little bit overwhelmed. Hey,
Speaker 5: doesn't mean we're gonna like it. And I am of
Speaker 5: the belief that you do need to respect the bricks
Speaker 5: a little bit. So they will continue to try to
Speaker 5: spread the word and make sure because that's the thing.
Speaker 5: It's he's not been in this race before. It's a
Speaker 5: different group of people every year, So just because you
Speaker 5: said it last year doesn't mean they're going to remember it.
Speaker 5: Next year, they're going to be twelve more drivers that
Speaker 5: have never raced in this race before.
Speaker 1: keV a really good and I'm sure this is not
Speaker 1: the highest of levels for PR in that particular series. However,
Speaker 1: a good PR person that's savvy driver's suit right down
Speaker 1: there with a wire brush and quoppole would have gained
Speaker 1: He would have earned all these indy car fans that
Speaker 1: have no idea who this duty is other than that
Speaker 1: particular moment in his life. Unfortunately, we live in a
Speaker 1: world where a lot of PR people are knuckleheads or
Speaker 1: don't get paid enough to jack around with it, or
Speaker 1: just kind of you know, leading their particular person around
Speaker 1: and that's about it. But yeah, any savvy person could
Speaker 1: have come up with that, and I think really built
Speaker 1: off of what was was not a great moment for
Speaker 1: a very young kid after a win and.
Speaker 5: At the time, I don't know how quickly they started
Speaker 5: scrubbing the bricks there, but he's still likely going through
Speaker 5: all of the requirements that he has to do for
Speaker 5: press conferences and everything along with that. But no, that
Speaker 5: would have been a smart move by PR to get
Speaker 5: him out there and get him involved in that or
Speaker 5: at least at some point come out there and you know,
Speaker 5: apologize to everyone. I really did want you, because I
Speaker 5: think if you walked out there, they would have all said, no,
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna make you get down on your knees
Speaker 5: and scrub here. Right now, we're getting paid overtime to
Speaker 5: do this, but we appreciate the thought, but yeah, that
Speaker 5: would have been savvy.
Speaker 1: All right. We got Jackson Lee California Closets Race coming
Speaker 1: up anytime soon. Tuck Series will we got.
Speaker 5: So he's at VIR Virginia International now working the skid
Speaker 5: barber theories as an instructor, and we've worked out a
Speaker 5: deal where they're going to give us some track time,
Speaker 5: so they're working on next year already. So his team
Speaker 5: is bringing the NASCAR truck there on Thursday and they're
Speaker 5: going to try to develop the car for the road courses.
Speaker 5: So there are no more road courses this season, and
Speaker 5: that's what he's done. He might do the Phoenix Race
Speaker 5: which is in October, to kind of try things out
Speaker 5: on an oval and see how that goes. And then
Speaker 5: we're still hoping to be able to We're talking to
Speaker 5: a couple of different teams and seeing who has cars
Speaker 5: that haven't been crashed too much to on the MSA
Speaker 5: race at Indianapolis and either GT four or in Lamborghini
Speaker 5: Super Trapail. So that's coming up in mid September. He's
Speaker 5: not quite done yet. And then he's doing he's doing
Speaker 5: a prototype race at Watkins Glenn this weekend and more
Speaker 5: of a club level series where he's coaching some guys
Speaker 5: and driving with them.
Speaker 1: Got to give a shout out to Marcus Hall too,
Speaker 1: by the way, while we're at it, you and I
Speaker 1: both a little California closet.
Speaker 5: Actually California Closets and Browning Chapman and the IU Cancer
Speaker 5: Center are why the young man has a job now,
Speaker 5: although he's not we've not really been able to pair
Speaker 5: off any revenue for him at this point, but elite
Speaker 5: he's he's getting to drive, and then through that he's
Speaker 5: getting paid to coach, so that's how he makes his living.
Speaker 5: At this point, he's moving out of the house.
Speaker 1: So well, moving out, all right, got enough?
Speaker 5: I told him, I said, you're never home, you're home
Speaker 5: four days a month. You're going to be the best
Speaker 5: roommate ever. But now that means the experiment and the
Speaker 5: investment we've made is working out. He's gainfully employed. Well done,
Speaker 5: and gets to do things like drive lots of cool
Speaker 5: race cars.
Speaker 1: Well done. Well, give him my best and marches to
Speaker 1: the gang at the California clause. It's always awesome, Kaylee.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Man. Get back in touch when the
Speaker 1: season resumes here surely, Okay.
Speaker 5: Thank you. Anyone anyone has a project, let us know.
Speaker 5: We've got a little discount code available for California clause.
Speaker 1: Well, tell them all about to give him the discount
Speaker 1: code really quick.
Speaker 5: Well, just basically I need to connect you. But it's
Speaker 5: ten percent off any project, whether it be a closet
Speaker 5: or a garage or off of space or whatever the case.
Speaker 5: So they can get either me or you on Twitter
Speaker 5: and we'll connect them with Marcus at California Closets and
Speaker 5: we'll get something done for him.
Speaker 1: We absolutely will, Kaylee. Thanks Pal, all right, thanks John
Speaker 1: Kevin Lee a fox on the Andy Moron aboutive group potline.
Speaker 1: This is the ride with JMV I JMV. Thank you
Speaker 1: for joining us. And we've got a Hall of Famer
Speaker 1: rock Icon who has been a part of the show before,
Speaker 1: has spent many an evening entertaining us here in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: He was in charge of the creation of the song
Speaker 1: I Am Indie back in the day as well. He's
Speaker 1: going to be at the Indiana State Fair August the twentieth.
Speaker 1: Of course, I am talking about Rock and Roll Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer Songwriting Hall of Famer. The iconic Gene Simmons
Speaker 1: joins us, Hello, Jean, how are you this afternoon?
Speaker 5: Wow?
Speaker 4: What a build up. I feel much better. Thanks.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't even write that. That was off the
Speaker 1: top of my head. Do you believe it? No, because
Speaker 1: I've grown up with you. I mean, you're like you're
Speaker 1: like my my rock and uncle right here.
Speaker 4: I serious appreciate. Don't don't leave out the Hollywood star
Speaker 4: Walk of Fame and the Kennedy Center and Kennedy Center
Speaker 4: Honors Man. That was a treat because we was sitting
Speaker 4: there next to the President and the first Lady and
Speaker 4: we're just talking just about stuff. I knew the President
Speaker 4: before he became political in New York, you know, just socially.
Speaker 4: But at any rate, we're talking while on stage, Garth
Speaker 4: Brooks is singing shouted out loud and cheap trick is there?
Speaker 4: I mean, there was a real amazing event really and coming,
Speaker 4: you know, and this from a perspective of an eight
Speaker 4: and a half year old kid who came from another
Speaker 4: country to America. And you know, you hear about the
Speaker 4: land of plenty and the American dream. Let me tell
Speaker 4: you something. I am living proof that the American dream
Speaker 4: isn't just alive, it's alive.
Speaker 1: And well, well you showed the way really, and this
Speaker 1: is why Gene I bring this up. Where would you
Speaker 1: place if you do it? All the comparison between all
Speaker 1: that you see surrounding Taylor Swift, I mean, the the
Speaker 1: global phenomenon compared to you and the kiss army that
Speaker 1: we knew.
Speaker 4: Well, there's a sim in America of the people, for
Speaker 4: the people, by the people. When you come from the
Speaker 4: loins of the people and you rise through the American
Speaker 4: dream if you have the gumption, the wherewithal the stick, touitiveness,
Speaker 4: the you know, just the idea that you're going to
Speaker 4: work harder than the person next to you. The heights
Speaker 4: are there to be climbed, and it may as well
Speaker 4: be you. Taylor came from nowhere, worked harder than you
Speaker 4: and I did, and scale the heights. And good for
Speaker 4: her girl power I'm all for it. She's the biggest
Speaker 4: tickets selling music or political person that's ever existed on
Speaker 4: the planet. She drew more people to shows than the Pope. Now,
Speaker 4: having said that, Kiss hasn't done badly either. We broke records,
Speaker 4: attendance records by Elvis and the Beatles and stuff. Well,
Speaker 4: we did fine. But the the thing you wind up
Speaker 4: learning is that it isn't all about you. That reaching
Speaker 4: the top of Mount Olympus isn't just for one person.
Speaker 4: That is room up there for I mean, if you
Speaker 4: dare reach for the sky, this room up there for champions.
Speaker 4: That's plural.
Speaker 1: Gene Simmons, who's going to be at the State Fair
Speaker 1: coming up on August the twentieth. We'll get into that
Speaker 1: in just a second. You said this, right, Yeah, Elvis
Speaker 1: in the fifties, and obviously there are lasting effects for
Speaker 1: each decade here, but I'm just going decade to decade. Elvis,
Speaker 1: the Beatles, Kiss in the seventies, and obviously if you
Speaker 1: fast forward to Taylor Swift, it is amazing too. And
Speaker 1: I always wanted to ask you with the Kiss Army
Speaker 1: because it's invention. That term started in Terre Haute, Indiana.
Speaker 1: How important was that as well to coincide with you
Speaker 1: and your iconic group to its rise of fame.
Speaker 4: It was at the beginning of the band nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 4: We started nineteen seventy four New Year's Eve. And by
Speaker 4: the way, in terms of Taylor, her guitar player, John Is,
Speaker 4: you know, grew up cutting his teeth, learned to play guitar,
Speaker 4: playing kiss TEMs. And if you go to YouTube and
Speaker 4: look up Taylor Swift Kiss Band, you'll see the entire band,
Speaker 4: including Taylor in kiss makeup, coming to coming out to
Speaker 4: join Keith Urban to sing one of his songs. But
Speaker 4: the entire band is in kiss makeup, and then the
Speaker 4: rest of the road crew come out in candy kisses,
Speaker 4: you know, the Hershey's candy kisses. Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 4: was a real hoop. You know, the thing that happens
Speaker 4: when you love the sound of your own voice is
Speaker 4: you can't remember the damn question.
Speaker 1: Well, no, no, it's about the significance of the kiss Army.
Speaker 1: The reason why I bring that up is because it
Speaker 1: originated the term did in Tarrehouade, Indiana, Right.
Speaker 4: It did. Indeed, it happened in Tera Hokee. As a
Speaker 4: matter of fact, the home of the George family that
Speaker 4: gave me a shot at being the head of marketing
Speaker 4: for IndyCar. I'm the guy that changed it from the
Speaker 4: IRL to IndyCar and wrote the song I Am Indy
Speaker 4: because I love the way I feel when I get
Speaker 4: behind the wheel. I am Indy. At any rate, there
Speaker 4: was a fan there his name is Starkey, who called
Speaker 4: the local radio station in nineteen seventy five early, you
Speaker 4: guys aren't playing my favorite band, Kiss, and the radio
Speaker 4: station basically said, no, we don't, we don't play that band.
Speaker 4: Here he goes, no, no, you should play that band.
Speaker 4: He starts to quote semi threaten verbally you better play
Speaker 4: a Kiss, and they're going no, we're not going to
Speaker 4: do it. He said, well at five o'clock today, by
Speaker 4: that time, if you don't play them. In essence, the
Speaker 4: words went, the Kiss army will surround your small radio
Speaker 4: station outside of town. And radio station didn't play it.
Speaker 4: What happened Thousands of Kiss fans surrounded this little, you know,
Speaker 4: one room broadcast center outside of town, and then the
Speaker 4: headline of the newspapers the next day was Kiss Army
Speaker 4: invades you know w k RP. It was unbelievable, and
Speaker 4: so the name the Kiss Army stuck. The fans started
Speaker 4: to call themselves that based on that event that started
Speaker 4: in Terre Haute.
Speaker 1: I still have the patch, the original patch back in
Speaker 1: the day, because you give kiddy. Yeah, I have so much.
Speaker 1: The one thing that I don't have, and I'm assuming
Speaker 1: you have a lot the pinball machine. I need the
Speaker 1: pinball machine.
Speaker 4: Jane, Well, there are two versions. One is the original
Speaker 4: from the seventies. Thirty five million dollars worth of pinball
Speaker 4: machines were sold that first year. I mean it was
Speaker 4: a big, big thing. And then he's brought out the
Speaker 4: newest generation. I don't know about ten years ago, but
Speaker 4: you can go on YouTube or someplace and find them.
Speaker 4: They're available. You'll have to pay a pretty penny, sure,
Speaker 4: but they're still out there.
Speaker 1: I have your lunch box too.
Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, Kiss is a very strange phenomenon.
Speaker 4: I mean I was as it was going on, my
Speaker 4: jaw was dropping at the astonishing amounts of licensing and merchandising.
Speaker 4: It was just beyond anything anybody had ever done other
Speaker 4: than Disney. So we were like Disney without the overhead.
Speaker 4: We had everything from Kiss condoms to kiss caskets. I meant,
Speaker 4: we got you coming and going.
Speaker 1: Gess with us. He's going to be with us again
Speaker 1: coming up on August at twentieth actually right here at
Speaker 1: the Indiana State Fair. Was there ever something that you
Speaker 1: wish you would have done marketing wise with the band
Speaker 1: to take advantage that you didn't And also, I guess
Speaker 1: reverse that up. Was there something that you did do
Speaker 1: that you wish you hadn't?
Speaker 4: Well it continues now we are now partnered with a
Speaker 4: company called Pomphouse that is working on our makeup and
Speaker 4: you know, the iconic branding and stuff. So they're going
Speaker 4: to be everything from movies in factward at the casting
Speaker 4: stage of a film, cartoon, show, theme parks. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's nuts. It's really going great. If you're ever going
Speaker 4: to be in Las Vegas, I'd recommend you stop by
Speaker 4: at the real hotel. My collection, most of it anyway,
Speaker 4: is at kit World, and your jaw dropped me at
Speaker 4: least a thousand items there. You'll have to spend days
Speaker 4: just to take all that stuff in. Yeah, it's quite right.
Speaker 4: If you say, if you save the American dream, I'm
Speaker 4: telling you coming here is an eighteen as an eight
Speaker 4: and a half year old legal immigrant. You have to
Speaker 4: stress legal because we waited years in line with my mother.
Speaker 4: It it The words just don't describe it anybody anywhere,
Speaker 4: at any time. If you put in the work, there
Speaker 4: are no limitations. The biggest stars in the world, the
Speaker 4: richest people in the world, they're in America. It's just
Speaker 4: there's no limit as long as you're willing to put
Speaker 4: in the time and the work.
Speaker 1: I was a part, not apart with you guys, but
Speaker 1: I was in the building at the field House. Your
Speaker 1: final show here in Indy with the band Kiss was
Speaker 1: now maybe three years ago something like that, in November,
Speaker 1: I think it was. You had these big inflatables of
Speaker 1: all you guys there, you know, you and ploy whatever happened.
Speaker 1: I think they were inflatables, right, those things that you
Speaker 1: carried from concert venue to concert venue. Do you still
Speaker 1: have those simplace.
Speaker 4: Oh, they're not inflatables, they're real giant.
Speaker 1: That's the turn. Somebody told me they're in flatables.
Speaker 4: They walked out of the concert. They're all forty oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, now I know where you're going.
Speaker 1: Come on now, I'm not as bright as you like.
Speaker 1: I'll take you for your word you have.
Speaker 4: We have warehouses full of that stuff that.
Speaker 1: How can a guys see that? Could I ever see that?
Speaker 1: Would you allow that?
Speaker 4: What do you have in mind? Will?
Speaker 1: What? What strings could you pull?
Speaker 4: Well? I have to warn you I'm straight.
Speaker 1: No, I don't mean that. I mean just in general. Hey,
Speaker 1: longtime fan, generational fan right here, I sure as hell
Speaker 1: would love to see it.
Speaker 4: What do you think I've never had that request from anybody.
Speaker 4: It's happened more times. It's a big, big number.
Speaker 1: You know, you've been on the show a number of times.
Speaker 1: You know, you call me once from Finland. True story?
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, and then what happened?
Speaker 1: No, we had a healthy conversation while you were in Finland.
Speaker 4: I think that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always good because listen, you and I are
Speaker 1: in lockstep.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: You talked about your fans, you had global fans, and
Speaker 1: I am among those that were your largest back then.
Speaker 4: As far as well, you're very into, You're very you're
Speaker 4: very kind, and if you ever meet celebrities of any
Speaker 4: kind that forget that. Were it not for the fans
Speaker 4: who are ultimately and invariably to use big words like gymnasium,
Speaker 4: they're the bosses. And if you start to believe your
Speaker 4: own hype, were it not for the fans, you'd be
Speaker 4: asking the next person in line, would you like some
Speaker 4: fries with that? And by the way, there's nothing wrong
Speaker 4: with that either. Just you know, the work ethic is
Speaker 4: what it's about that you have to recognize that all
Speaker 4: your power you you're you're on the radio, you've got
Speaker 4: millions of fans, you've got zillions of dollars in your pocket,
Speaker 4: but that's all due to the folks listening to you.
Speaker 4: They are your power, and you cannot mistreat the fans.
Speaker 4: They're the bosses. That's where it begins and ends.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up because that's my favorite
Speaker 1: thing to do, is to go out and do live
Speaker 1: shows with people that come out with me, just like
Speaker 1: you're going to do on the twentieth of August at
Speaker 1: the Indiana State So what what's.
Speaker 4: A party if you're the only one there?
Speaker 5: Come on.
Speaker 4: But the amazing thing about this idea of the fans
Speaker 4: and the people in elections and everything goes to the
Speaker 4: heart of what America is all about, of the people,
Speaker 4: for the people, by the people. The politicians, the rock
Speaker 4: stars and you know, all the people that scale the
Speaker 4: heights come from the loins of the people of the
Speaker 4: United States. They're not born kings and queens and all
Speaker 4: that the way they do in Europe and other parts
Speaker 4: of the world. Our leaders are people who scale the heights,
Speaker 4: come from the people, which is why you should never
Speaker 4: forget where you come from.
Speaker 1: Hey, I get a quick question for you, because there
Speaker 1: is why I never touched her. You mentioned loins now
Speaker 1: twice in our conversation. Could you ever work the word
Speaker 1: loins into a kiss song, into a lyric? How would
Speaker 1: you do it? Yeah, because you're You're a songwriting Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer and I'm just expecting you to turn this
Speaker 1: around like lickety right here. Uh.
Speaker 4: You know, I can't pick on it. But one of
Speaker 4: the reasons I use fancy words, you know, like self
Speaker 4: aggrandizement and other big words. That's amazing. I used to
Speaker 4: be a sixth grade teacher, Yes, and I tried. I
Speaker 4: tried hard to you know, light the fire in the
Speaker 4: belly of these little kids once. Once you have that
Speaker 4: fire of inquisitiveness, then you'll continue to learn your whole life.
Speaker 4: And there used to be a great thing in newspapers
Speaker 4: there used to be words of the day. It was
Speaker 4: a wonderful idea. So a new word every day was
Speaker 4: a little corner in a box and it would tell
Speaker 4: you here's the word, and then here's what it means.
Speaker 4: And by the way, if you if you saw that
Speaker 4: stuff in a year, you'd learn three hundred and sixty
Speaker 4: five new words every years. Those are a lot of words.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean things have changed, and you have
Speaker 1: been one that has adapted. When you think about it,
Speaker 1: I said your generational. What you are certainly along with
Speaker 1: your band too, Paul is generational as well. I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about this. How difficult has it been? Because it seems
Speaker 1: like in the last twenty plus years the things have
Speaker 1: changed on a dime, and I mean with a quick pace,
Speaker 1: much quicker than the decades prior to. How have you
Speaker 1: stayed on top of things? With that?
Speaker 4: In my gene, I think you've got to be flexible.
Speaker 4: The world doesn't stand up and tap dance to your whims.
Speaker 4: The esthetics have changed dramatically, and some of it I
Speaker 4: think works, and some of it I think is very extreme.
Speaker 4: Everybody should have the right to aspire and job opportunities
Speaker 4: and be treated nicely and so on. But none of
Speaker 4: us want to have your particular point of view, whether
Speaker 4: it's religious or gender or anything like that pushed in
Speaker 4: our faces, you know. But you should have the right
Speaker 4: to be whoever you want to be, worship who you
Speaker 4: want to worship. You know, it's nobody's business. But try
Speaker 4: not to be an a hole about it and torture
Speaker 4: people by coming up to their faces and telling them
Speaker 4: that your way of life is the only way.
Speaker 1: It's not.
Speaker 4: And by the way, the rest of the people can
Speaker 4: respect your way and not recognize that it's legitimate. But
Speaker 4: if it's good for you, great. The French have a
Speaker 4: phrase called laissez fair live and let live.
Speaker 1: I am Andy. I think we talked about this before
Speaker 1: you were a part of IndyCar in the creation of
Speaker 1: that song, that positioning statement back in the day al
Speaker 1: board more that.
Speaker 4: More than that, I was brought on to try to
Speaker 4: increase the penetration, as they say, of the i r L,
Speaker 4: which was the Indie Racing League, into general pop culture
Speaker 4: because twenty year olds, you know, just it was not
Speaker 4: part of their patois. Hey man, let's go to the races.
Speaker 4: Twenty year olds don't say that, And that's because what
Speaker 4: I wanted to do was to bring in the Kardashians
Speaker 4: to gentlemen, start your engines with the flag and you know,
Speaker 4: like all all that stuff to bring pop culture in.
Speaker 4: I brought in Carmelo Anthony to have his own car.
Speaker 4: It was the car Mellow get it, I got it.
Speaker 4: You try to combine basketball fans with indie fans, and
Speaker 4: I thought the I R L well was the wrong
Speaker 4: kind of branding, even though it had been around for
Speaker 4: ninety two years. I thought it sounded like a communicable disease. Gee,
Speaker 4: I have irl J.
Speaker 1: And that's that's why they changed it pretty quickly Chang.
Speaker 4: Because I was an a hole and I kept torturing them.
Speaker 4: The only thing that resonated around the world was the
Speaker 4: Indy five hundred. Even if you didn't know what it was,
Speaker 4: it sounded cool indy, like independent or individual. I said,
Speaker 4: there's your core word, there's your co word, indied. Nobody
Speaker 4: knows what the five hundred means unless you're a racer
Speaker 4: and so on. It's a car. You're in car, so
Speaker 4: indie car, and that's where that came from. And then
Speaker 4: I said, you guys don't have a theme song. You
Speaker 4: know you can you can have a burger chain and
Speaker 4: they can have a theme song, but welcome you don't.
Speaker 4: So I sat down and wrote I am Indy because
Speaker 4: I love the way I feel when I get behind
Speaker 4: the wheel. I am Indy. And by the way, I
Speaker 4: is all races, all religions, all sexes. And even though
Speaker 4: they them's anything you are, it.
Speaker 1: Could be Indianapolis, Indianapolis, I in Indianapolis, am.
Speaker 4: Indy all that the I love India, all that stuff,
Speaker 4: or I am Indianapolis. That all came from me, babe.
Speaker 4: All the cities in the world noticed that it worked.
Speaker 4: So when we toured the year after, we toured Spain
Speaker 4: and I noticed billboards that I am Barcelona, and then
Speaker 4: the Football League said I am the NFL. Yeah, they
Speaker 4: all took it. Once something works, it works for everything
Speaker 4: and everybody.
Speaker 1: Detroit Rock City is my favorite song with you guys,
Speaker 1: I should say most noted song for me. My favorite
Speaker 1: songs Hotter than Hell? Where's Hotter than Hell? Rank for Eugene.
Speaker 4: Well was at the beginning, songs aren't just songs.
Speaker 1: It's wrong. I think that's raw. To me, it felt raw.
Speaker 4: I liked it. It is it is, but it's also songs.
Speaker 4: Are the soundtrack of your life. You don't just remember
Speaker 4: a song. You remember how old you were, where you were,
Speaker 4: what was going on in your life. That's the magic
Speaker 4: of songs. And when they resonate, you don't just remember
Speaker 4: the song to sing along. You remember where you were,
Speaker 4: who you were with. That's the magic of music. So yeah,
Speaker 4: for me, of course, all that resident because I was
Speaker 4: there for all of it and I am there. But
Speaker 4: you know, there are new songs. In fact, Kiss went
Speaker 4: into the studio and recorded a new song which I'm
Speaker 4: not allowed to talk about just yet.
Speaker 1: I think you should though.
Speaker 4: It'll it'll come out soon.
Speaker 1: Okay, fair, that's fair, Okay, Well you got hey, will
Speaker 1: you guys? Will you guys? And you're coming listen and
Speaker 1: I want to come out and see you on Thursday,
Speaker 1: the twentieth of Vaugus. I hope you don't mind like
Speaker 1: way that in say, hey, remember talking.
Speaker 4: To me, Well, why don't you get your pretty butt
Speaker 4: in the front of the stage. Yes, and I'll pull
Speaker 4: and I'll pull you up so you can sing with us.
Speaker 1: I think that's a hell of an idea. You got
Speaker 1: right there, Gene. Why don't we do that? Let's execute
Speaker 1: this plan that you've come up with. You're really good
Speaker 1: at come up with plans. Let's execute this.
Speaker 4: I'd be my pleasure. I would only recommend to leave
Speaker 4: the big flat red shoes and the red nose and
Speaker 4: the Seltzer bottle at home, I promise, and kind of
Speaker 4: dress up, you know, if you want to be on
Speaker 4: stage with rock stars, so.
Speaker 1: Our cargo shorts out, because that's that's kind of my
Speaker 1: repertoire clothing wise.
Speaker 4: That's a little gay, jeez, it's just with us.
Speaker 1: I do have one final thing I have to ask you,
Speaker 1: because everybody will so completely retired and done with Kiss
Speaker 1: or might there be because you've mentioned new music coming out,
Speaker 1: We've got to wait on that.
Speaker 4: Kiss Kiss kisses going into what happens with caterpillars. You
Speaker 4: go into the cocoon, but what comes out has wings
Speaker 4: and goes in places where the band has never gone before.
Speaker 4: So that's what's going on. A Kiss Pophouse is launching
Speaker 4: us into areas that we've never done before, including movies, cartoons, shows,
Speaker 4: theme parks, all that kind of stuff. You'll see, all right.
Speaker 1: I just want to know if you guys are going
Speaker 1: to get back together one more time, because I thought
Speaker 1: what I saw you in Indy. That was the last
Speaker 1: time at Indy.
Speaker 4: But I'm you know, I want it's the band. We'll
Speaker 4: fall on myself and makeup and stuff. We're not allowed
Speaker 4: to do that. But in November in Las Vegas, we
Speaker 4: do have the Kiss Cruise where without makeup, we'll be
Speaker 4: doing unplugged. We'll be showing there's a secret thing that's
Speaker 4: that will blow your mind that we're going to show
Speaker 4: the fans there. And when the fans come over there,
Speaker 4: we take over the entire I think it's going to
Speaker 4: be at the Virgin Hotel, so every room is taken
Speaker 4: over by the fans. It's a real hoot. It's a
Speaker 4: three day event. Kiss Cruise November, Las Vegas, all right, And.
Speaker 1: Then on the twentieth of August at the Indiana State Fair.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be there and I'm gonna be up in
Speaker 1: the front row and I'm gonna come up on stage.
Speaker 1: We're gonna sing something cool.
Speaker 4: Hold up, you know, hold up a sign, make it easy.
Speaker 1: Hey, remember this guy you called me from Finland once
Speaker 1: as well? It'll be on my side.
Speaker 4: The question is what did I call you exactly?
Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 1: For calling in and I can't wait to see you
Speaker 1: coming up in August August the twentieth.
Speaker 4: Okay, you bet see that.
Speaker 1: Gene Simmons on the Andy Moore Automotive Group potlined as
Speaker 1: usual an incredibly interesting conversation. But meantime on the Andy
Speaker 1: Moore Automotive Group potline, here he is. The summertime has
Speaker 1: officially ended. No more poping open the water plug or anything.
Speaker 1: It is all over for Steven Holder of ESPN because
Speaker 1: it gets real coming up tomorrow. Good afternoon, Stephen.
Speaker 2: Hello, there mixed feelings always at the time of year.
Speaker 1: Summertime is officially over for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fine because the truth is, man, we spent
Speaker 2: all year talking and talking and talking about it, right,
Speaker 2: and then when they actually give you something tangible, we
Speaker 2: got to be thankful for that. So we got it.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: We're ready to roll, all right. Alec Pearce not surprising
Speaker 1: today with the Colts making that announcement of the physically
Speaker 1: unable to perform lists? Was the CJ Ellen Want surprising?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one was. He He must have had some
Speaker 2: slight issue here in the past what six weeks since
Speaker 2: they've been gone, because when they left for the off
Speaker 2: season he was fine, but he had some sort of
Speaker 2: issue with his calf. Well, hopefully get the details from
Speaker 2: Chris Ballard tomorrow. What I can say for right now
Speaker 2: is that it is not expected to be a long
Speaker 2: term thing. You know, you can go on pup for
Speaker 2: as little as like a day. You know, I've seen
Speaker 2: that actually happen. It just means that at that particular
Speaker 2: moment you are not able to practice like right now.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't mean that he won't be in a
Speaker 2: couple of days or a week from now, or what
Speaker 2: have you. But I do think it is there is
Speaker 2: some urgency to get him out there. There clearly is
Speaker 2: right c J. Allen has to be ready. They don't
Speaker 2: really have a plan being at middle linebacker. He is
Speaker 2: the plan, So certainly they could put a body in there,
Speaker 2: but that's who they want starting at middle linebacker, and
Speaker 2: given all of the responsibilities of that job, he needs
Speaker 2: to be out there. He needs every rep. So I'll
Speaker 2: be watching to see how that goes.
Speaker 1: Is it simply put here that time is for any rookie,
Speaker 1: time is of the essence, But his job responsibility out
Speaker 1: of the gate is going to be substantial here and
Speaker 1: even if he has dealt with it on the highest
Speaker 1: of levels, you know, playing in the SEC, playing at Georgia,
Speaker 1: coming out of high school at a very young age.
Speaker 1: This is massively still going to be different. So you
Speaker 1: can't afford to miss really anytime whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Well, I agree with that, yes, I mean, you know
Speaker 2: historically that that middle linebacker, that's the guy who is
Speaker 2: communicating with lou An Rumo, the defensive coordinator. So he's
Speaker 2: getting the headset in his helmet and getting the play call.
Speaker 2: He's having to huddle the guys up and get them
Speaker 2: lined up. You know, there's a lot of responsibility in
Speaker 2: there for you know, a twenty two year old kid.
Speaker 2: He is mature beyond his years. Having having had a
Speaker 2: little bit of dealings with him, I feel like I
Speaker 2: can sense that from him, and the coaches more so
Speaker 2: more importantly have said that they see that too. So
Speaker 2: I'm optimistic about his ability to do it. Lou An
Speaker 2: Rumo is not a guy to give rookies the benefit
Speaker 2: of the doubt, Okay, never has been, and he's always
Speaker 2: had that reputation where like you know, young guys, you're
Speaker 2: already behind the eight ball with him historically, and so
Speaker 2: that says to me. The fact that Louanna Rumo is
Speaker 2: saying to us, this guy actually has something a little
Speaker 2: different about him, and that carries a lot of weight
Speaker 2: with me, you know, because that's not something he just says,
Speaker 2: you know, just casually. So so I think it's all
Speaker 2: positive with c. J. Allen with the understanding, Okay, as
Speaker 2: long as you have the understanding that rookies do screw up. Okay,
Speaker 2: he's gonna blow a coverage at some point, he's gonna
Speaker 2: he's gonna, you know, have a bad run fit here
Speaker 2: and there. You know, those things happen, they just do
Speaker 2: and you have to accept them. And and that is
Speaker 2: just sort of part for the course of young guys.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: It's interesting about to Stephen hold Us on the Andy
Speaker 1: Morrel Amotive Group pod line that while you expect that
Speaker 1: and that absolutely is going to happen, and that gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of Colts fans they're going to give
Speaker 1: this too much leeway. It's gonna be you got to
Speaker 1: get out there and you got to get humping. You
Speaker 1: gotta get humping right away. We're going to get to
Speaker 1: your questions. You have to start the season in just
Speaker 1: a second, which are ample, certainly even more than last year.
Speaker 1: And really what is representative about that is the start
Speaker 1: they got off to was tremendous, but because there were
Speaker 1: no end of season results, injuries, whatever the case, people
Speaker 1: view them with a lot more questions than even what
Speaker 1: we had talked about a year ago. But before we
Speaker 1: get to that, Alec Pierce, what's your expectation on how
Speaker 1: long he is he's going to be waiting to get
Speaker 1: back into things after the surgery.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean we can only speculate right now,
Speaker 2: but I will let's go back to what he said
Speaker 2: in the off season, which I mean he left the
Speaker 2: door open for this to potentially be a little bit
Speaker 2: of a lengthy absence. Okay, that's not me putting those
Speaker 2: words in his mouth. I mean he said that he
Speaker 2: had a ways to go, and he said hopefully this
Speaker 2: doesn't linger beyond mid all guests. But the fact that
Speaker 2: or he said, like, you know, I think the words
Speaker 2: he used were, you know, hopefully it doesn't last more
Speaker 2: than a couple of weeks into camp. But that tells
Speaker 2: me that he left that possibility open that this thing
Speaker 2: could linger a couple of weeks into camp. Well, that
Speaker 2: puts us I think almost beyond the dual practices, the
Speaker 2: joint practices, in which of which they have.
Speaker 5: I think, what.
Speaker 2: Late next week, if I'm not mistaken, I gotta get
Speaker 2: my calendar right here. I don't have it in front
Speaker 2: of me. But my point is they're heading out to
Speaker 2: New England. I think late next week already, you know,
Speaker 2: for for the their first joint workout, and then you know,
Speaker 2: the week after that they're back here I think the
Speaker 2: week after that for Atlanta. Right, So those are big workouts,
Speaker 2: those are really important practices. And you've got a quarterback
Speaker 2: coming off an injury, you got his number one receiver
Speaker 2: coming off an injury. They haven't had any time together
Speaker 2: this off season, you know all those little thing they
Speaker 2: are yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean these are all impediments
Speaker 2: to progress, right. Progress happens when you are out there
Speaker 2: and you're throwing the ball to each other and you're
Speaker 2: getting work done. They are not doing either of those
Speaker 2: things because they have not been together, and even Daniel
Speaker 2: Jones has been limited obviously. So yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 2: not conducive to success. It doesn't mean they can't have success,
Speaker 2: it just means this isn't helping them achieve.
Speaker 1: It well in the end, Michael Pittman, even without you know,
Speaker 1: the the high level of production with Michael Pittman Junior,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people are going to easily forget
Speaker 1: about his presence there because there was not that level
Speaker 1: of expected production. But it's even more magnified the longer
Speaker 1: that Alec Pierce is not there, because it's going to
Speaker 1: be like a Halliburton situation, Stephen, the expectation for Halliburton.
Speaker 1: It's going to be unfair. Is Hey, he's all of
Speaker 1: a sudden going to be postseason or the year before
Speaker 1: last when he hits the floor in October, and you're
Speaker 1: going to have to see seemingly to Alec Pierce hit
Speaker 1: the ground running at a very fast pace, which is probably,
Speaker 1: simply put, not going to happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, you know, the the Michael Pittman Junior issue,
Speaker 2: I think is something we have to talk about and
Speaker 2: we have, but I just don't think we can. We
Speaker 2: can't turn the page from it yet until they figure
Speaker 2: out how to turn the page there. Look, this guy
Speaker 2: caught eighty passes last year. Now he had I'm looking
Speaker 2: at it, yet he was only nine point eight yards
Speaker 2: per reception. Which is, you know, very modest. But on
Speaker 2: the other hand, let's think about this. Take eighty receptions
Speaker 2: out of that offense last year, and do you think
Speaker 2: you feel it? I would say absolutely, you feel it, right,
Speaker 2: So you have to make that up somewhere, and they're
Speaker 2: going to have to make it up right now, at
Speaker 2: least with a with a lesser player. You know, they
Speaker 2: still have options out there. I don't think Vivo Samuel
Speaker 2: has landed anywhere, if I'm not mistaken. You know, there's
Speaker 2: there's always Stefon Diggs, which you know that's a whole
Speaker 2: different conversation. But you know Keenan Allen, right, So I mean,
Speaker 2: like I do think that's still in play. Like them
Speaker 2: signing a wide receiver, I have not turned the page
Speaker 2: on that. I think that they will keep that on
Speaker 2: the table depending on how this goes to start training camp.
Speaker 2: You know, I just think they're too thin. That's just
Speaker 2: my my assessment of it. At wide receiver, I think
Speaker 2: they're too thin. You are one injury away from a catastrophe.
Speaker 1: Should have Alick Pierce got that procedure done earlier?
Speaker 2: Well, ideally, yes, but I don't think it was just
Speaker 2: as simple as I'm a free agent and I don't
Speaker 2: want to do this right now now. Did that play
Speaker 2: some rolling, Possibly, It's totally possible. But I also understand
Speaker 2: what he's saying, which is that, you know, the doctors
Speaker 2: said that there were there were a couple of different
Speaker 2: ways to handle this, and the first, the first approach
Speaker 2: to it with a certain form of treatment. That approach,
Speaker 2: they tried it, and they thought that it had a
Speaker 2: chance to work. It did not take this bottom line,
Speaker 2: it just did not. And the problem is you had
Speaker 2: to give it.
Speaker 1: I believe.
Speaker 2: I think it was like platelet treatment, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. And you know, and I think by the
Speaker 2: time they gave that it's opportunity to run its course,
Speaker 2: which I believe is like an eight week process. By
Speaker 2: the time you do that, you're into March. Now, you know,
Speaker 2: after the season, the season's over in January, you go
Speaker 2: get checked out and then you got to give it
Speaker 2: two months, So it's March by the time they realize
Speaker 2: this thing's not working. And so at that point, now
Speaker 2: he's having surgery and he's a free agent at that point.
Speaker 2: So you're probably at that point waiting until after you sign.
Speaker 2: You know, you don't want to in his defense, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't do surgery the week before I become a free.
Speaker 4: Agent, right, So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was not ideal, it was not and yes,
Speaker 2: ideally it would have been done earlier, but because of
Speaker 2: those meetings mitigating circumstances, it was not. And so he's
Speaker 2: behind the eight ball.
Speaker 1: Now do you do you think had he not been
Speaker 1: a free agent in that situation, do you think that
Speaker 1: they would have decided against the whole platelet treatment aspect
Speaker 1: and gone ahead and done the surgery and matched up
Speaker 1: the timeline better than what ultimately happened.
Speaker 2: Right, Maybe maybe, But I but I also think that
Speaker 2: this this surgery was it was not a mandatory thing.
Speaker 2: In other words, what I mean is he could have
Speaker 2: played this year without this surgery. So I think he
Speaker 2: was trying to avoid surgery. Like there's some things where
Speaker 2: it's like, all right, the only way to fix this
Speaker 2: surgery and then there's no there's no doubt, right, you
Speaker 2: go ahead and you do it as soon as possible.
Speaker 2: This was a great area situation. So if you're the player,
Speaker 2: you know you're thinking about it. Okay, well, what is
Speaker 2: the least obtrusive way to handle this? You know, I
Speaker 2: think just from a human perspective, the last resort is
Speaker 2: a surgery, right, and so if they say that there
Speaker 2: is the chance of this being resolved in another way,
Speaker 2: I understand wanting to look at that and give that
Speaker 2: a chance. Even after it did not work, Okay, there
Speaker 2: was still a conversation about whether they wanted whether they
Speaker 2: wanted to actually move forward with surgery. So Alec Pierce
Speaker 2: ultimately said he is the one that said, look, I
Speaker 2: don't want to have to deal with this all year
Speaker 2: long and having this nagging issue, and so he and
Speaker 2: Chris Ballard came to an agreement that this was the
Speaker 2: best way to move forward and get the surgery done.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: If he didn't, the odds are he would have needed
Speaker 2: the surgery on the back end of the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: sixth season anyway. So it made sense to do it.
Speaker 2: But it just happened unfortunately later than it could have.
Speaker 4: That's the unfortunate part.
Speaker 1: Stephen Holder, ESPN, ESPN dot Com Report Day coming up tomorrow,
Speaker 1: final time around for the Colts in Graham Park and Westfield.
Speaker 1: Steven will be up there, I know all our guys
Speaker 1: the fan morning show in Querying Company will be up
Speaker 1: there as well. All coming up tomorrow with things officially
Speaker 1: get underway in Colts Camp. So the guy that and
Speaker 1: evidently now Daniel Jones is cleared. Now this is something
Speaker 1: we weren't going to question. We'll see how he comes along.
Speaker 1: But you consider Daniel Jones his Achilles injury, that of
Speaker 1: Jason Tatum and then Tyrese Halliburton. So is this surgeon
Speaker 1: going to go down in history as the goat all
Speaker 1: time with orthopedic surgery in mind with Achilles injuries? Because
Speaker 1: this is an amazing run this fella is on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this guy, he's the ninety six bulls
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 5: It's pretty remarkable.
Speaker 2: I mean, I do think that there are other there
Speaker 2: are other physicians, you know, with with I think comparable
Speaker 2: track records, just because the science is getting better, you know.
Speaker 2: But it also is a tribute to the players themselves, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, it takes a significant amount of work. And
Speaker 2: if you know anything about the work ethic of Daniel Jones,
Speaker 2: and it seems that Tyree is similar, right, and just
Speaker 2: like this is very important to him, right, Jason Tatum
Speaker 2: was locked in as far as I can tell. You know,
Speaker 2: we're on the outside looking in, But it does appear
Speaker 2: that like, it takes a certain level of dedication, like
Speaker 2: you can't miss a day or rehab. You know, you
Speaker 2: have to be all in. You have to just push
Speaker 2: and push and push. And I know enough about Daniel
Speaker 2: Jones to know that there is no other way with him.
Speaker 2: So it's a combination of great job on the medical side,
Speaker 2: just unrelenting attitude from the player, and science is doing
Speaker 2: what it does.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: So you love to see it, you know, you really do.
Speaker 2: I mean I come from you know, I'm not. I
Speaker 2: think we're close in age. And I can tell you
Speaker 2: you know when I was coming up and you heard
Speaker 2: a guy hav an achilles injury, Yeah, and you're thinking, Okay,
Speaker 2: well we better draft the guy because he's done. I
Speaker 2: mean literally right, you know. So you know I grew
Speaker 2: up there. Everybody probably knows this final, you know, South
Speaker 2: Florida kid. And I remember when Dan Marino had an
Speaker 2: achilles injury. It was terrifying because you're thinking this might
Speaker 2: be the end. He'll never be the same. And he
Speaker 2: actually did come back. He was the rare guy who
Speaker 2: did come back. And I think the year after I
Speaker 2: actually wrote about this recently in relation to Daniel Jones,
Speaker 2: he came back the next year and I think he
Speaker 2: had like a four thousand yard season and threw like
Speaker 2: thirty touchdowns. But that was like alien back then, you know,
Speaker 2: literally just like unheard of. So we're in a new
Speaker 2: world and it can be done. But I still think
Speaker 2: we can't really affess Daniel Jones until we see him
Speaker 2: out there between the lines, and that will be more
Speaker 2: than likely against the Baltimore Ravens in Week one.
Speaker 1: See, and that's what is so troublesome about now in
Speaker 1: the joint gatherings you mentioned New England and then Atlanta
Speaker 1: as well, what's his activity basis going to be in those.
Speaker 2: Well that's actually a good barometer because you know it's
Speaker 2: it's less predictable for the quarterback. Right, these are controlled
Speaker 2: environments still, you know, they can't come off the edge,
Speaker 2: you know, the the Patriots Stephens the line can't come
Speaker 2: off the edge and hit Daniel Jones and the joint practice,
Speaker 2: but you know they they are going to you know,
Speaker 2: probably use a lot of their their blitzes and their
Speaker 2: twists and and so he's not going to know what's coming, right.
Speaker 2: They don't do that in the preseason games, so you
Speaker 2: actually see more tactics in the joint practices because it's
Speaker 2: not on film for the rest of the league to watch,
Speaker 2: so teams are more liberal with what they show. So
Speaker 2: he's going to get challenged, no question about it. He'll
Speaker 2: have to throw on the run and all that, but
Speaker 2: the urgency isn't quite the same because no one is
Speaker 2: really permitted to hit you. So you know, we'll see,
Speaker 2: we will see. I do think we will have a
Speaker 2: pretty good sense of where he's at during training camp.
Speaker 2: All I'm saying is I just think game speed is
Speaker 2: another notch up, right, actual regular season game speed. It
Speaker 2: is another notch up, probably several notches from practice. And
Speaker 2: there's also the reality that you're getting hit and you
Speaker 2: can get contorted and different things can happen. So I
Speaker 2: have no fear that he's going to like reinjure the thing.
Speaker 2: It's just a matter of whether Daniel Jones can can
Speaker 2: recapture the explosiveness.
Speaker 5: That he has always had.
Speaker 2: He's a pretty good He's a pretty good athlete, right
Speaker 2: and one of the reasons he is good well, one
Speaker 2: of the reasons he was so good last year is
Speaker 2: because of his ability to move and throw on the
Speaker 2: run and get away from pressure.
Speaker 5: Is that going to be compromised at all?
Speaker 1: The question before I let you go, you had questions
Speaker 1: and many more questions going into this year than going
Speaker 1: into last year, because in the first eight plus weeks
Speaker 1: of the season, a high bar was said and then
Speaker 1: we saw them, you know, fall into the cellar once
Speaker 1: again with injuries and losses and no postseason. So where
Speaker 1: do you start with your list of questions? Among those,
Speaker 1: I think we've kind of already alluded to in our
Speaker 1: conversation Stephen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think we outlined the issue with Daniel Jones.
Speaker 2: But I think there's a second issue, which is this.
Speaker 2: It's it's not just Kenny bounce back from the injury.
Speaker 2: It's also that he has to stay healthy. Okay, it's
Speaker 2: not just the Achilles, right, I mean, he's had one
Speaker 2: real injury free season. I would say a couple I
Speaker 2: guess injury free season, and it's troublesome, you know.
Speaker 5: It really is.
Speaker 2: I would contend, and I'm gonna I'm gonna write about
Speaker 2: this this week. I think this is great perspective that
Speaker 2: he have to think about. This is, in my estimation,
Speaker 2: the biggest year of Daniel Jones' career. Think about it,
Speaker 2: because right now, what he has is eight games or
Speaker 2: nine games whatever it is, of like really good football
Speaker 2: last year, and then he got hurt. And so if
Speaker 2: you are a talent evaluator, a personnel executive in the
Speaker 2: NFL and Daniel Jones is out there and you're evaluating
Speaker 2: him right now, you're telling yourself good player. But as usual,
Speaker 2: he got hurt, right That's what So this is his chance,
Speaker 2: I think to change the narratives. He has to have
Speaker 2: a season that changes narratives for this to really for
Speaker 2: him to really be seen as the guy he wants
Speaker 2: to be. So I think it's a huge year for him.
Speaker 4: That's number one.
Speaker 2: We haven't talked a lot about defense, but they have
Speaker 2: to have I think a significant improvement on defense, and
Speaker 2: they're going to have to do it with a younger defense,
Speaker 2: which is a challenge. So what does lou Anna Rumo
Speaker 2: have up his lead? Significant challenge for him, I think.
Speaker 2: And then thirdly I mentioned wide receiver. We talked about
Speaker 2: Alec Pierce at length. It's really the rest of that group, right,
Speaker 2: you know Josh Downs, how much can he fill in
Speaker 2: the gaps? You know that Michael Pittman left. I think
Speaker 2: he'll he'll do a good job of that. Tyler Warren
Speaker 2: is a factor there as well, even though he's a
Speaker 2: tight end. But certainly he's going to be their volume guy.
Speaker 2: But who's the other who's that third wide receiver?
Speaker 5: Right now?
Speaker 2: It's like Ashton Doolan, right, I mean, are you good
Speaker 2: with that? Are you sleeping okay at night? I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, And I think those are the kinds of
Speaker 2: questions that we have to look at. And there are
Speaker 2: many many more, right, many many more, But those are
Speaker 2: big ones. Those are big, big questions. And and the
Speaker 2: last thing I'll say is that you know, teams with questions,
Speaker 2: every team has them. But when you have questions on
Speaker 2: your big important difference makers, that's where it gets dicey,
Speaker 2: you know, because you're not going to bat a thousand.
Speaker 2: There are going to be some problems. And that's just
Speaker 2: the way the NFL is.
Speaker 1: When you talk about lou Anroumo trying to do something
Speaker 1: with a team of a lot of young players, and
Speaker 1: then trying to do something with a team that is
Speaker 1: really as far as impact defensively has built mass awkwards,
Speaker 1: as you might say, because normally it's upfront pressure that
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