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Speaker 2: So this is in response to the assassination of Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean you know that graphic video spread rapidly

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Speaker 2: Calling it a cancer on our society. I think there's

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Speaker 1: You, as an elected official, have unlimitability if I live

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Speaker 3: Casey, remember that story we did.

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Speaker 1: It's been a couple of weeks ago now where we

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Speaker 1: So basically what has happened is there is a group.

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Speaker 3: Nathan, Hello, Hey, good morning to both of you.

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Speaker 1: All Right, so tell us about the group. And I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: I think we're spot on right. We're not going to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so let me tell you sort of what the

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Speaker 4: And what I found was that independent candidates were starting

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Speaker 4: And I asked him, I said, what number of independence

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Speaker 3: First, yeah, real quick, let me introduction. Nathan Gotch is

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Speaker 1: They're they're a group dedicated to try to getting non

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Speaker 3: So are you trying to.

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Speaker 4: We're trying to first of all, let people know, hey,

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Speaker 4: You know, two of the movies that sort of stand

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Speaker 2: Nathan, I'm wondering what sort of barriers are you running

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Speaker 4: So, look, the first two that really make it hard

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you extrapolate that out for a statewide

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Speaker 4: Our estimate place is that number between seven hundred and

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Speaker 1: Okay, Nathan Gotch is our guest. Couple of minutes left

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Speaker 1: with him. He's the executive director for Independent Indiana. They're

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Speaker 1: trying to get more independent people to run for public office,

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Speaker 1: to get more independent people elected for public office. What

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Speaker 1: what do you guys need? Because while we're skeptical it's

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Speaker 1: going to work, I think I speak for Casey with this.

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Speaker 1: We want you guys to succeed because we recognize how

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Speaker 1: poorly the Democrats and Republicans have governed. And I think

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Speaker 1: there is a certain stain, for lack of a better

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Speaker 1: term or reputation that comes with the Libertarian Party of Hey,

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Speaker 1: they're there, but they're not really serious. I think independent

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Speaker 1: people running are going to have a better chance of

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Speaker 1: winning in many cases than the libertarian So what do

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Speaker 1: you guys need to get off the ground and get going.

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Speaker 4: The most important thing people can do is get curious

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Speaker 4: about this. You know, we've got lots of information on

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Speaker 4: our website, Independent Indiana dot org. But the other thing

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Speaker 4: that a lot of people ask me is who are

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Speaker 4: these people? You know, I think our stereotype of an

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Speaker 4: independent is kind of a wacky person who couldn't get

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Speaker 4: on the battle as a Republican or Democrat. That may

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Speaker 4: have been true in the past, but it's really not today.

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Speaker 4: In fact, we're having an event next Monday in Indianapolis

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Speaker 4: Monday night to twenty second where we are bringing in

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Speaker 4: three successful independent candidates from around the state so that

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Speaker 4: people can get to see them up close, hear from them,

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Speaker 4: hear them tell their stories, and ask them questions. I

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Speaker 4: think if people come to that event, and you can

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Speaker 4: register for it on our website, it's free, but go

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Speaker 4: to Independent Indiana dot org to register, you're going to

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Speaker 4: find that these are the kinds of people that really

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Speaker 4: we imagine when we learned about how our system of

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Speaker 4: government works when we were in school. These are just

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Speaker 4: people who are in it for the public service peace

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Speaker 4: and they want to solve problems in their community.

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Speaker 1: Nathan Gotch, executive director for Independent Indiana, can find them

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Speaker 1: at Independent Indiana dot org.

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Speaker 5: Good luck, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: It's Kennel and Casey on ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 3: Well this is all on you.

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Speaker 2: Today's Constitution Day. Happy Constitution Day.

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Speaker 1: Oh or we celebrate the document we ignore all the time. Well,

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Speaker 1: good for us, hot day.

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Speaker 2: How are you going to celebrate by reading the Constitution?

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Speaker 1: Got to do the same thing I do every single day. Well,

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Speaker 1: every Wednesday we have our little staff meeting and then

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna load my State House happening show and then.

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Speaker 2: Go watch your show, go watch my stories, watch your shows.

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Speaker 2: So yesterday Governor Mike Brown he announced a new workforce

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Speaker 2: training program and it is designed to help Hoosiers earn

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Speaker 2: more money, come power up Indian.

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Speaker 1: So he's going to take a bunch of extra money,

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Speaker 1: which he did this legislative session, and then he's going

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Speaker 1: to use that money that he took from you to

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Speaker 1: turn around and help you make more money. Right spending money, Casey,

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Speaker 1: I went to an auction as a little kid, and

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Speaker 1: I used to be fascinated by auctioneers when I was

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Speaker 1: a kid, and because they were like these entertainers, and

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Speaker 1: in my mind as a little boy, all people were

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Speaker 1: fixated on them. Of course people were there for the stuff,

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Speaker 1: but in my mind, it was like the auctioneer was

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Speaker 1: the entertainment. Sure, and I remember this auctioneer when I

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Speaker 1: was a kid. He used to keep shouting to the people,

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Speaker 1: you're not spending money, you're investing it.

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Speaker 3: That's Mike Brown.

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Speaker 1: Sure, I took all this, all these enhanced taxes from you,

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Speaker 1: but you're not spending money, you're investing it.

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Speaker 2: So Indiana's current unemployment rate is three point six percent,

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Speaker 2: which is below the national average, indicating full employment. So

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Speaker 2: they said the focus now is shifting from job placement

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Speaker 2: to wage growth and career advancement. And they're doing this

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Speaker 2: to the tune of ten million dollars which was allocated

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Speaker 2: by the General Assembly.

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Speaker 1: You want to help people stop taking their money, like

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Speaker 1: this is a very simple thing, you know, like it's

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Speaker 1: one thing to help you with their skill sets. Okay,

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Speaker 1: got it. Stop taking the money like you you are

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Speaker 1: creating the problem that you're trying to fix with the

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Speaker 1: ever enhanced Utility bill, ever rising utility bills, the property taxes,

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Speaker 1: the gas tax, the tolls, the wheel tax, all of

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Speaker 1: this stuff which means people have less money. And then

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Speaker 1: our esteemed governor, which, by the way, we do have

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Speaker 1: to make an announcement. We had a very very intense

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Speaker 1: discussion at the staff meeting yesterday and we decided we're

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Speaker 1: now we're not gonna call him Governor dementia pation anymore,

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Speaker 1: because we're really misleading our audience. We were trying to

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Speaker 1: do that in fun because we know he's a pathological liar,

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Speaker 1: and we were trying to do that in fun by saying, well,

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Speaker 1: he would never lie. But then we're just misleading you

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Speaker 1: because the people may think that he's not just a

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Speaker 1: pathological liar. Braun has all his marbles, Braun knows exactly

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Speaker 1: what's going on. Braun is a habitual pathological liar. So

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Speaker 1: we are doing our audience in disservice by not saying

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Speaker 1: what he actually is. So from this pointing forward, he

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Speaker 1: is Governor habitual liar.

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Speaker 2: Okay, hey, ab Jula is going to join us next.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we're gonna talk all about the energy secretaries inflammatory

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Speaker 1: statements here in the state of Indiana, saying that the

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Speaker 1: energy projects should sue local governments if they don't get

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Speaker 1: their way.

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Speaker 2: It's Kennelin Casey on ninety three wybc's.

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Speaker 3: Nothing yet there's something.

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Speaker 2: You.

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Speaker 3: Know, Casey. We're never going to miss an opportunity and

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Speaker 3: dump on people we don't like, especially when they give

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Speaker 3: us a preview.

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Speaker 2: Who are you talking about now.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's our old pal, Susie Jaborowski. She's the Energy secretary,

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Speaker 1: and boy did she say something beyond stupid.

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Speaker 5: And let's bring in the guy who broke the story.

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Speaker 3: The one and only Boula keep Shabaz. Hello.

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Speaker 5: You know these things had to head tends to find me.

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Speaker 5: I'm totally convinced I'm a magnet for politicians saying stupid thing.

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Speaker 3: Sure, you're always just minding your own business, right, very good?

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Speaker 1: Right? Yes, yes, a very mild mannered man. So you

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Speaker 1: had posted this and then Indiana Capitol Chronicle ran a

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Speaker 1: big story about it. You posted over at Indie politics

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Speaker 1: dot Oregon. I think you were first done this. That

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Speaker 1: Sudi Javrowski, the Energy secretary, failed state House candidate, then

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Speaker 1: went to a luncheon with the Fiscal Policy Institute and base.

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Speaker 1: Well she didn't she did advocate not basically she did

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Speaker 1: advocate for these wind and solar project people to sue

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Speaker 1: communities that don't approve their projects.

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Speaker 5: Close almost like almost my six votes. Believe or not

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Speaker 5: that she lost that she lost? Hey losses the loss

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Speaker 5: uh okay, Just to said the background for audience here,

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Speaker 5: the Indiana FYSCAL Policy in Students is a nonpartisan sort

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Speaker 5: of budgetary thing tank. Look at tax policy, you know,

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Speaker 5: school choice vouchers, you know, something to a state government.

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Speaker 5: The institute tends to focus on those issues and it

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Speaker 5: is very very establishment, is extremely established.

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Speaker 3: That's why we don't get invited.

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Speaker 5: Why I'm in find I'm a member. Oh yes, So

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Speaker 5: we're there for the annual annual meeting, annual luncheon, you

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Speaker 5: know them speakers the whole nine yards. And so they

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Speaker 5: did sort of a Q and A with Susan Giarrowsky

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Speaker 5: he goes this year. The big topic was energy, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and your resources. You know when data the data center

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Speaker 5: is the whole nine yards. And so while they were

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Speaker 5: doing the Q and A, we talking about developers and

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Speaker 5: these these energy projects and these projects. Susi has said,

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Speaker 5: I think she went on and on and on, and

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Speaker 5: then she said, I think that you know if I

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Speaker 5: was the developer, if the local office is going to

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Speaker 5: pull the rug frontnderneath me after going through this processes,

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Speaker 5: I'd recommend suing this.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me read the quote from the Capitol Chronicle.

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Speaker 1: We played some of this audio earlier today in the program.

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Speaker 1: That's disgraceful. Personally, I think that those companies should start

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Speaker 1: suing those communities and get serious about it. Now, you

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Speaker 1: were in the room, yes, Can you describe the reaction

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Speaker 1: of the audience when the Energy Secretary Cabinet member for

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Speaker 1: Mike Brawn uh appeared to say that energy companies should

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Speaker 1: sue communities who are listening to their constituents. Uh.

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Speaker 5: Let's put it this way. As you know, one of

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Speaker 5: my favorite films is Blazoning Saddles. That's right, Yes, and

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Speaker 5: there's singing Blason Saddle when Cleveland Little shows up. No,

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Speaker 5: I said the sheriff as a bog. Yeah, and everybody

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Speaker 5: just their jaws just dropped it before when they see

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Speaker 5: the black sheriff. That's the That's the best way I

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Speaker 5: can describe the look in the room. You could hear

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Speaker 5: the you could hear the jaws hit the floor, and

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Speaker 5: it was like, did about FLASKI what did she just

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Speaker 5: did you just say that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: That looked over at a good friend of mine. I

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Speaker 5: was like, did she, like, did you? I think she

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Speaker 5: just did and and it was just like I can't

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Speaker 5: believe she.

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Speaker 1: Said that, And there was no thing with her where

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Speaker 1: she's like, wait a second, that didn't come out right.

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Speaker 1: I misspoke, Like let me read whatever.

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Speaker 3: None of that right.

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Speaker 5: And the moderator was part of you, part of the institute.

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Speaker 5: But the moderator wasn't someone who moderates on a regular basis,

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Speaker 5: as usually if somebody says something like that, you give

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Speaker 5: them like, okay, I to make sure I heard you correctly,

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Speaker 5: which is the monerators way of saying, hey, how about

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Speaker 5: you fix this right now and walk this back.

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Speaker 1: She also said, quote, these local worritoriums are setting our

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Speaker 1: energy policy, and not only that, it's creating a reputation

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Speaker 1: or industry doesn't want to come, which is just complete

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Speaker 1: bull because we have all these data centers in the pipeline,

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Speaker 1: all of these other proposed projects. They don't get approved

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Speaker 1: one place, they go to the next county. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's just a flat out it's just a lie that

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Speaker 1: they don't want to come.

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Speaker 5: Here, I would not say it's a lie, but I

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Speaker 5: would say her statement is inconsistent with the facts at hand. Now,

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Speaker 5: her motivation that I did that, I will lead that

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Speaker 5: to mister Arski Yarwarski to describe. However, the thing is,

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Speaker 5: if you look at every other day we all get

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Speaker 5: news release from the governor's office, and he has the

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Speaker 5: best place to start the business, got the best tax climate.

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Speaker 5: Now we're doing school choice in vouch so peop want

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Speaker 5: to move here, blah blah blah, great quality of life

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Speaker 5: related issue. So so if Indian has this horrible okay,

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Speaker 5: does it any have a whole reputation? People don't want

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Speaker 5: to come here? Or do people or do people want

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Speaker 5: to come here?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 1: So we got this with merit earlier in the program.

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Speaker 1: Brown's got a major problem with his cabinet and the

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Speaker 1: people he puts around him because look at what he's

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Speaker 1: had to deal with. You have this woman doing this,

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Speaker 1: which will be is a headache for him. You have

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Speaker 1: the whole Jennifer Ruth Green thing, which is beyond a headache.

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Speaker 1: It's a debacle. You got Kim Kent Abernathy at Endot

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Speaker 1: who quit after what a month or two or whatever

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Speaker 1: on on the on the job. You've got the jose

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Speaker 1: Evans thing over at the Civil Rights Commission. It's just

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Speaker 1: one thing after another on people who he has put

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Speaker 1: in these high positions. At some point, doesn't he have

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Speaker 1: to start looking at the tippy top people like a

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Speaker 1: Josh Kelling, what are we doing here?

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Speaker 5: Well, the thing is and look to Josha, well get along,

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Speaker 5: get along? Well, I mean I I but the thing

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Speaker 5: is to be a chief at the end of the

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Speaker 5: day that the governor's responsible for as people, but the

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Speaker 5: chief of staff is responsible for the governor. Yes, And

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Speaker 5: the one constant this whole equation the whole time around

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Speaker 5: is who it's Josh Kelly Kelly, Yeah, I mean he's

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Speaker 5: he is.

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Speaker 1: I'll say it. He has no business being in that position.

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Speaker 1: And I can appreciate loyalty to some extent, but when

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Speaker 1: you have a person who really doesn't have any experience

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Speaker 1: in something like that sound familiar, casey putting someone with

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Speaker 1: no experience that is your chief of staff. It's exactly

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Speaker 1: the issue with the with the with the number two

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Speaker 1: in the state, with the lieutenant governor. And when you

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Speaker 1: put these people in these positions, you almost can't even

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Speaker 1: be angry at them that it's.

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Speaker 3: Not working out for you.

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Speaker 5: The thing is, it's one thing to Okay, Josh has

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Speaker 5: been with me since day one. So Josh, here's what

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Speaker 5: we're going to do. I'm going to make you like

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Speaker 5: my special assistant. So you're my WTF guy. If there's

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Speaker 5: a problem, I'm going to go to you figure it out.

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Speaker 5: Blah blah blah blah. But this person's gonna be my

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Speaker 5: chief of staff. This person knows how government works, knows

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Speaker 5: how government is supposed to run, and they're gonna do

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Speaker 5: and we're gonna accomplish our agenda in the context of

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Speaker 5: no less government, more efficiency, innovation, blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 5: That person gonna be responsible for that. You're gonna be

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Speaker 5: my my right hand person. That no, if somebody can't

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Speaker 5: go to chief of staff, they can go to you, right.

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Speaker 1: And and look he was with Braun in the Senate,

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Speaker 1: he being Josh Kelly. But this is a different ballgame.

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Speaker 1: The state government is a completely different animal on how

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Speaker 1: it works, the players, the whole thing, and this guy,

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Speaker 1: you're right, becomes the one constant in all of this stuff,

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Speaker 1: the property tax debacle, everything is that Josh Kelly is

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Speaker 1: there and at the center of it.

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Speaker 5: And also to another degree, Josh Kelly is technically responsible

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Speaker 5: for Mica beck with Yes, if they'd have picked a

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Speaker 5: better person, well, because because one of the things that

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Speaker 5: that they did was because the lietended governor's picked by

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Speaker 5: by the by convention by delegates, and so instead of like, hey,

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Speaker 5: no whining and dining the delegates, no getting me, then hey,

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Speaker 5: what can we do to you? Blah blah blah, they

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Speaker 5: went very heavy handed. They acted like they had it

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Speaker 5: in the in the bank and if you don't do this,

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Speaker 5: we're gonna do X y Z. Yeah, and you'll you'll,

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Speaker 5: this will happen, This will happened. And Dell gets pushed back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And they also were responsible. They were very hands off

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Speaker 1: in the approach to who they picked for their lieutenant

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Speaker 1: governor nominee. They'd have picked a Dan Elliott even at

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Speaker 1: the time they picked that Jennifer Ruth Green woman before

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Speaker 1: all this stuff, you know, all the trouble she got

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Speaker 1: into here with with what's going on now, probably would

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Speaker 1: have been a slam dung. And instead, because they were

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Speaker 1: hands off on their approach and who they picked, they

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Speaker 1: ended up with Micah acts.

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Speaker 5: I would argue they were two hands on and not

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Speaker 5: being hands off enough, like hey, just just it's it's

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Speaker 5: about building. It's like Jim, it's like we talked about

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Speaker 5: earlier in saying how's happening, It's about building relationships with people,

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Speaker 5: and we don't have their relationships. It's really easy for

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Speaker 5: people to tell you to get lost.

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Speaker 2: Did they just assume they would get what they wanted?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And as we know, when you assume that's right?

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Speaker 1: All right, Uh, find everything indie politics dot org if

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Speaker 1: Billy keep shabaz, Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: It's Ken and Casey.

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Speaker 3: Oh you know what.

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Speaker 2: Actually that's going to do it for us today, isn't it? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: It's over?

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Speaker 5: This is it?

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Speaker 2: Any big teas for tomorrow?

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Speaker 3: Rob Ken? Well, I think we teased it earlier.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I think if you look, if you missed it,

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Speaker 1: we're going to have the person in tomorrow who allegedly

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Speaker 1: saw the AI porn video in the Lieutenant Governor's office.

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Speaker 2: Here you go.

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Speaker 5: How about that for a tease?

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Rob, Thank you, Kevin, thank you for listening today.

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Speaker 2: It's been Kendall and Casey on ninety three WIBC