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Speaker 1: it consistently week in a week out. Those are all

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Speaker 1: questions that I do remain curious about, and those I

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Speaker 1: think are more difficult to answer.

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Speaker 2: Buy the blitz recognition that I don't know if did

436
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Speaker 2: you bring that up at all?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I brought up with Baltimore? Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean again, those are still things that you do

440
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: scratch your head at at times, and like, you know,

441
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Speaker 1: this gets back into the how much do you owe

442
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Speaker 1: it to your franchise? How much do you owe it

443
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Speaker 1: to your fifty three man roster? Is there approach from

444
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Speaker 1: Styking and the coaching staff where they should have said,

445
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Speaker 1: you know what, these are the concepts he does really well,

446
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Speaker 1: let's all of a sudden shrink everything game plan wise

447
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: to that, and let's see what he can do and

448
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: if he can all of a sudden hit, a couple

449
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Speaker 1: more singles. Then is there something there? Now you're committing

450
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Speaker 1: to potty training a two year old? M hm. I

451
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 1: mean it is not gonna happen overnight and you're gonna

452
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: have accidents galore. But again, and this gets back to

453
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Speaker 1: probably the whole premise of drafting him in the first place.

454
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Speaker 1: Are you committed to it or are you not? And

455
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Speaker 1: the commitment is a big time, big time if you're

456
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Speaker 1: going to make that selection. And then this gets been

457
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Speaker 1: this gets into the twenty twenty three draft debate. Should

458
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Speaker 1: you have sat there at four overall and seen Houston

459
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Speaker 1: there at two and said we have to go.

460
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Speaker 2: To above him?

461
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Speaker 1: Because remember the Colts didn't even trade up to three. No,

462
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Speaker 1: you know that was Arizona sitting there at three and

463
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Speaker 1: Houston came back up to take Will Anderson Jr. What

464
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Speaker 1: if another quarterback team comes up there and takes Richardson Again,

465
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Speaker 1: I've gotten the impression that they weren't. They were not

466
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Speaker 1: on Levis at all at all. So you know, these

467
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: are all questions that I'm curious about. I understand you

468
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,959
Speaker 1: from a hypothetical sense, but I do think this situation

469
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: around him offensively It's pretty and arguable for me that

470
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Speaker 1: this was the best around a quarterback the Colts have

471
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Speaker 1: been and the Richardson era, I know you've been your

472
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,239
Speaker 1: Taylor healthy to me, the offensive line as healthy as

473
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Speaker 1: they were, and again, just another season in this offense.

474
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Speaker 2: I know you've been saying that the timid approach, like

475
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: were they too timid to commit? But you also have

476
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Speaker 2: to ask did he do enough for them to be like, yeah,

477
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Speaker 2: let's commit to him, Like did they give did he

478
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Speaker 2: give Chainstyke and Chris Ballard his teammates sure a reason

479
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Speaker 2: to buy into Hey, let's you know, let's see what

480
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 2: we got here. Let's ride it out out out and

481
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Speaker 2: if he fails, he fails, If he's he succeeds, like, yeah,

482
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 2: did he do enough? Whether that's preparation, whether that's being

483
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Speaker 2: you know, in the building like you should be, whether

484
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Speaker 2: that's doing whatever he needs to be doing off the

485
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Speaker 2: field and staying out of trouble or anything like that.

486
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 2: Now we haven't heard anything about him being in trouble,

487
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 2: but like those types of things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, from what I have gathered about the

489
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Speaker 1: quarterback standard, this is more of a whatever the meetings

490
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Speaker 1: starting at eight o'clock and you're walking in at seven

491
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: fifty nine, right, whereas the quarterback should be there or

492
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: whatever at seven point forty. You know, those sorts of things.

493
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Speaker 1: So you know, again on the agregious scale to ninety

494
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Speaker 1: eight percent of the NFL, probably not, But quarterback is different,

495
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Speaker 1: and I totally agree with that. I mean, you know,

496
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Speaker 1: the amount of money you make and the amount of

497
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Speaker 1: responsibility on your plate is there I think to answer

498
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Speaker 1: your question, Eddie, they answered be no, he did not

499
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Speaker 1: earn it as he moved along in his franchise. So

500
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Speaker 1: much of it to me goes back to when you

501
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: drafted him, right, and that immediate handholding that had to

502
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Speaker 1: be there, Like you are teaching him in that first

503
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Speaker 1: off season what the gardner minhe was gonna do it

504
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: at form or not? Cam Turner Jim out, hey, dude,

505
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: we're here at whatever six. I know it says six thirty,

506
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: but this is when we get here or whatever. That

507
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: to me, I think is where it's got to be.

508
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: And you know, again we get into this debate with

509
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 1: young quarterbacks all the time. I've said this before, like

510
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: we all should have to go back and watch Peyton

511
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Speaker 1: Manny's rookie season.

512
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Speaker 2: Yep.

513
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine what social media would have looked like

514
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: with that year? M h all right, I mean, hell,

515
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: maybe we a should go back and watch Josh Allen's

516
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 1: rookie season. You know. It's just it's amazing how some

517
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: go through that growing pain and then can come out

518
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: better on the other side. And then obviously there are

519
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: a lot of others, a lot that never amount to anything. Yeah,

520
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, no doubt you get rid of

521
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: them when you do.

522
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 1: The only other thing I'll add, Eddie is what do

524
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Speaker 1: you do for the future. You know, I had somebody

525
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: message me the other day saying, you don't get rid

526
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Speaker 1: of them. Your your franchise quarterback is coming off of

527
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: torn achilles. You don't. You don't get rid of them.

528
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Speaker 1: You're gonna net the one hundred and twentieth pick overall.

529
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,719
Speaker 1: I mean, we've played this fourth round pick game before. No, like,

530
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 1: it's quarterback. You that position means so much. You don't

531
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Speaker 1: get rid of them. Now the counter that would say, well,

532
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 1: it's a ten point eight million dollar cap hit. I

533
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: believe right now that's tenth on the team for next season.

534
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: It's in the top ten I know that, and.

535
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Speaker 1: You hope that dude never plays a meaningful snap. That's

536
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: wait too. I mean I get investing in a backup quarterback,

537
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: but still that's way too much to invest, especially when

538
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: whatever you think about Riley Leonard there. So again, I

539
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: just get the vide that both parties want to be done,

540
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: and maybe there's a sliver of a crack of the

541
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Speaker 1: door of like, well we want to be done, but yeah,

542
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Speaker 1: I don't know if we're ready to like say that

543
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Speaker 1: we're done done. So yeah, he if Daniel Jones Retour's

544
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: Achilles tomorrow, would you rather Anthony Richardson or Daniel or

545
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: Raley Leonard quarterback the Colts in twenty twenty.

546
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Speaker 2: Six you're going with these hypotheticals, Well.

547
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: If you're not going to play the first one as well,

548
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: try again.

549
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 2: I would probably still lean Richardson.

550
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Speaker 1: Right, It's interesting I thought you would say, Leonard, is

551
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: are you in a situation with your roster? And again,

552
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: who do you owe it to? Do you owe to

553
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: your franchise, do you owe to the fifty three man roster?

554
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: If you owe to the fifty three man roster, and

555
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: by all accounts, there's a higher sense of urgency, right,

556
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: have we heard that? Okay, well, then you can't sit

557
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: there with a ten point eight million dollar capt on

558
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: your backup, QB. There's a higher sense of urgency, right,

559
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: this is a year one of a rebuild. Maybe you could.

560
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: But like we've done the math through the first month

561
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: of this podcast, we'll continue to do the math, you know,

562
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: really free agency or I should say the franchise tag

563
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: window I want to say opens up here at the

564
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Speaker 1: end of the month or sometime in February. Hell, it

565
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,479
Speaker 1: might just be we look that up. When the franchise

566
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Speaker 1: tag window opens up, you know, we're going to start

567
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: to get some answers. But the puzzle pieces with the

568
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: cap math and all of that for Daniel Jones and

569
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Speaker 1: Alec Pearce and what do you do with Nick Cross

570
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: and what do you do with Braden Smith? You know,

571
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: all of that, it gets really complicated, really really quickly.

572
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Speaker 1: And I just don't see where you can have ten

573
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Speaker 1: point eight million dollars sitting there for your backup. QB.

574
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Speaker 2: M H. The tag window opens on the eighteenth, so

575
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Speaker 2: in sixteen days it would last until March fourth.

576
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Speaker 1: There you go, So what that opened a week before

577
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: the combine so yeah, a little over two weeks anything

578
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: anything else Richardson At the end of the day, I

579
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Speaker 1: probably expect a trade. But again, what does that look like?

580
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: How much are you absorbing? How much has the other

581
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: team absorbing? I don't but man, there is part of

582
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: me it's like, I mean, Jones has never stayed healthy. Like,

583
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,959
Speaker 1: let's say Jones comes back and misses a month next season.

584
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Speaker 1: H does your answer differ from the hypothetical I just

585
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: threw at you if Daniel Jones misses weeks eight through thirteen,

586
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: would you rather see Richardson or Leonard?

587
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if I want to see either.

588
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: Still, well, somebody's got to go play quarterback.

589
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: Can I escape out the back door and say a

590
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: free agent.

591
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: Boy like a like a who? I mean, if it's

592
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: anybody notable, aren't you going to be investing a little

593
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: bit there.

594
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins? Would you do that? Oh? Gosh, now you

595
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: know me.

596
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: Man, If I got to see some dude play for

597
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: a month and I'm not a Super Bowl team, I'd

598
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: rather see the young guy.

599
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're all in keV there.

600
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: I Again, their thought, in my belief, is two different things.

601
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: Clearly, last week we talked about, just like with Chris Ballard,

602
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Speaker 2: if they do part with Richardson for a fourth and

603
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: just like the not getting the return on investment, there

604
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 2: is that more of indicative on where Richardson should have

605
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: been drafted versus fourth overall.

606
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't think of Richardson was like

607
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: Cleveland Ferrell as a draft pick, right, Like, I don't think.

608
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he probably would have been taken

609
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: in the top ten. I think anytime you invest in

610
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Speaker 1: a quarterback, particularly in round one, particularly in the top

611
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Speaker 1: half of round one, particularly in the top ten, especially

612
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: the top five, it is a huge, huge part of

613
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Speaker 1: how we look at your GM resume. I mean, look

614
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: at Homeboy in Minnesota, you know, I mean they've won,

615
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: have they not? I mean they want to good them mount.

616
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: Well, the same for Buffalo, and they decided they wanted

617
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: to promote.

618
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: Under right, But again Buffalo one and have the good quarterback.

619
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Speaker 1: You know, Minnesota one doesn't have the good quarterback, right,

620
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: Like That's what again, this is what you get into of.

621
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Speaker 1: You know when you said you were evaluating you know

622
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Speaker 1: Quasi or every say's name. You know you're looking at Obviously,

623
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Speaker 1: a draft resume is not very good. But again, they

624
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: have one game, So how much do you weigh one

625
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: versus the other when it comes to a GM evaluation?

626
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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

627
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's what you get into here. I think

628
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Speaker 1: that probably covers everything Richardson related. Again, I know it's

629
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Speaker 1: pretty complicated. I just thought at some point this offseason

630
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: we should get into more of a Richardson deep dive

631
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Speaker 1: on it. And I can definitely listen to people that are,

632
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: you know, a bit torn on the situation of like, yes,

633
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: the Colts pulled the plug at the right time, Like

634
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: once you again know the answer, you need to be

635
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: confident in that answer and then move on in the

636
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: manner that you should. How quickly you find answers to

637
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: the questions you have on your roster I think is

638
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: a huge thing in professional sports period. And then I

639
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: can also listen to other people how to say, I

640
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:22,959
Speaker 1: don't feel like they committed to it enough.

641
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, both sides the fencer sort of. Question Number one

642
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 2: is from Craig. It seems like that most that Anthony

643
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: Richardson being gone is a foregone conclusion. My question is why,

644
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 2: if Daniel Jones is likely not back in full form

645
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: until October, are the Colts good with going with Riley Leonard,

646
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: who has two starts, over Anthony Richardson, who has three

647
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 2: seasons and an eight and seven record. Ar has way

648
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: more ability and experience than Riley Leonard. The only downside

649
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 2: seems to be the ten million dollars. How is the

650
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Speaker 2: Colts leader going to feel when he goes somewhere else

651
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Speaker 2: and actually performs well? Given the leadership track record, I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't exactly say they have proven to know what they

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Speaker 2: are going to do when managing this franchise. Kevin, I've

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Speaker 2: got a couple thoughts here and I'll I'll let you

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Speaker 2: answer yours as well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know, well, first off, I think I answered

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Speaker 1: a lot of this question just earlier, so I guess

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Speaker 1: I thought that popped on That popped in my head

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Speaker 1: as that question was being read as like, Okay, let's

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Speaker 1: take a the ten point eight million dollar cap hit

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Speaker 1: for Richardson, and if that player equates to finding an

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Speaker 1: upper level defensive starter, you know what was buying them

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Speaker 1: last year fifteen million, So buying them is probably a

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Speaker 1: little bit more than that. But if you are saying

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Speaker 1: that keeping Anthony Richardson takes you away from from finding

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Speaker 1: a cam buying them junior level at defensive end? Does

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Speaker 1: that make you rethink things at all? I mean, is

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Speaker 1: making ten times amount of money at Riley Leonard is making?

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Speaker 1: So is the gap from Richardson to Riley Leonard that much?

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Speaker 1: I would think most people out there would say it's not.

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Speaker 1: So that would be the question I would have is like,

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Speaker 1: what are you doing with that Richardson money and or

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Speaker 1: draft pick? I guess, right, if you're able to get

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Speaker 1: something back form, right, what do you got?

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Speaker 2: I know people throw out the eight and seven record,

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Speaker 2: but like, none of those came against the team over

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Speaker 2: five hundred. None of those wins came against the team

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Speaker 2: over five hundred. So I look at it this way, like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's able to beat teams that are at the colts

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Speaker 2: level or below, But the inability to come up with

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Speaker 2: at least one win over a team that's over five hundred,

682
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Speaker 2: to me, doesn't really illuminate the eight and seven record

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Speaker 2: that people point to. Like you can point say, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's eight and seven as a starter, but like, if

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Speaker 2: you look at it, no wins against the team over

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Speaker 2: five hundred.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that kind of this era?

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Speaker 2: That's also yeah, very true.

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Speaker 1: You know stikeens what seven and twenty two and.

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Speaker 2: Outside what the Jets game in the New England game?

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Speaker 2: Is it like the only two games where you feel

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Speaker 2: like he won you the game of those eight, probably

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Speaker 2: because in his last start against Tennessee they win thirty

694
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Speaker 2: eight thirty. He throws the ball eleven times, Jonathan Taylor

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Speaker 2: ushes for over two hundred yards, Like you're not looking

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Speaker 2: at most of these games and like he's the reason

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Speaker 2: they won. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean we could probably round circles with a record debate.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Again, I understand where you're coming from. And then people

701
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Speaker 1: would say, well, Gus Bradley was defensive coordinator and he

702
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Speaker 1: got fired, so it's not like you were living with

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five Denver Broncos defense or whatever you

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Speaker 1: want to label here. Yeah, Craig, again, I answered a

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Speaker 1: lot of this, I think just in the early part

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Speaker 1: of the pod. But to me, it's like when you

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Speaker 1: draft with the first year head coach, when you draft

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Speaker 1: a player of that resume with fourth overall, are you

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Speaker 1: committing to a three year project or not? M because

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Speaker 1: like when you made that selection, to me, you were

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Speaker 1: committing to that. You were saying you know what, we

712
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Speaker 1: have to live with this for three years because to

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Speaker 1: get the true ant, Like again, we never saw Anthony

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Speaker 1: Richardson start a game after a healthy offseason. Yeah, So

715
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Speaker 1: like that's where I think it makes it really really difficult.

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Speaker 1: And why the pick was just the pick was just

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Speaker 1: so so risky, so risky, you know, hindsight super twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: I get it. I go back to the twenty twenty draft.

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Speaker 1: I will continue to go back to that, and I

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Speaker 1: think there's audio that would back that up. Of as

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Speaker 1: soon as Luck retires, you have the thirteenth overall picks,

722
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Speaker 1: that's your year, and then after that you're just swimming upstream.

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Speaker 1: And who knows, could you have drummed up a trade

724
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Speaker 1: package that would have made it attractive for Chicago to

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Speaker 1: get to one you know what, would you have mortgage

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Speaker 1: obviously to do that? But clearly Houston was strout in

727
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: hell Anderson Jr. They've reaped some benefits from that from

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Speaker 1: a winning and division title standpoint.

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Speaker 2: Would you say that Richardson has more experience than Riley

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Speaker 2: Leonard the NFL level, Yes, in general, I would say.

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, yeah, I mean what Riley was two year

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Speaker 1: sharter Duke and started a Notre Dame.

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Speaker 2: I mean he started, I mean he started sixteen games

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Speaker 2: is last year at a Notre Dame. Anthony Richardson has

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Speaker 2: played in seventeen games in his three year NFL career.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that that to me, isn't that big of

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Speaker 1: an argument on it.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one that I'll cop out on.

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Speaker 2: Question two is from Zach Hey. Look, we've both copped

741
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Speaker 2: out on a question. I thought you were softer. Oh really, okay?

742
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Speaker 2: Question two is from Zach Hey keV. Now that we

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Speaker 2: have the benefit of hindsight, is it not true that

744
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: the Colts were closer than people realize, beat the Broncos

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Speaker 2: early in the season, and went toe to toe with

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Speaker 2: the Rams and Seahawks, as well as having a stretch

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Speaker 2: at the end of the year with a bunch of

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Speaker 2: playoff teams. I know it's easy to just say that

749
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Speaker 2: you can flip games here and there, but it really

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Speaker 2: does feel like, had the team gotten healthy at the

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Speaker 2: right time, that they could have made waves in the AFC. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I I think in general, I feel like it was

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Speaker 1: a pretty open year for the NFL. I really do.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, just look at Seattle in the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. You know, they're a Week eighteen result from

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Speaker 1: what they would have gone to. Would they have gone

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Speaker 1: to Philly around one is now where San Francisco went. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that that's how the seeding exactly

759
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Speaker 1: worked out, But you know that week eighteen game came

760
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Speaker 1: out of the one seed. You know, Seattle's path looks

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Speaker 1: a whole lot different if they're starting at Philly round

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Speaker 1: one with that. So again, I do think a culture

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Speaker 1: a quality team, but I don't I again, I'm probably

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Speaker 1: not on this boat of like if luck just would

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Speaker 1: have gone their way a little bit better, all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, they would have been whatever, a final foward

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Speaker 1: team or a final you know, won the division, made

768
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Speaker 1: the playoffs. Ever, you want to look at it again,

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Speaker 1: you had a lot of things obviously go your way

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Speaker 1: early on from Jones is healthy and Buckner healthy and

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Speaker 1: you know Ward, I guess Ward and Gardner you might

772
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Speaker 1: just say washed out if you want to play it

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Speaker 1: all off like that. You know jt Eta historic great,

774
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Speaker 1: Christine offensive line health, you know Zach points out the

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Speaker 1: schedule here. So I don't know made waves in the AFC.

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Speaker 1: I'm not I think in general, it was probably more

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Speaker 1: of an open year than not in the AFC when

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Speaker 1: you look at some of the quarterbacks that weren't in there.

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Speaker 1: But it's hard for me to say that about a

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Speaker 1: team that just has lost so many of those meaningful games. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I get you could point to say, hey, New

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Speaker 1: England came out of the blue, but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Mike Rabel maybe brings a little bit more of a

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Speaker 1: presence than I think the Colts have from a management standpoint.

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Speaker 2: M h final question is from Rick So Jonathan Taylor

786
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,959
Speaker 2: started to year phenomenal with Daniel Jones at the Helm,

787
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Speaker 2: and when Jones tore his achilles, his production went way down. Now,

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Speaker 2: I get the NFL has evolved with the RPO schemes

789
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Speaker 2: that and that is essentially why JT eats well. But

790
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Speaker 2: my question is why were Barry Sanders, Emmett Smith, Fred

791
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Speaker 2: Taylor and others able to still dominate without the RPO

792
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Speaker 2: option plays. Their quarterbacks didn't pose the threat of running

793
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Speaker 2: and they still got one hundred yard games. Is the

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Speaker 2: eight man front a newer idea or something. It's probably

795
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Speaker 2: a dumb question, but I recently watched old tape on

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Speaker 2: those running backs and they were just different. Man.

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Speaker 1: Loll yeah, Rick, I mean I have to go back

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Speaker 1: and look, I think you're kind of underestimating Jonathan Taylor

799
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Speaker 1: from a hell from a yards per carry standpoint. I

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Speaker 1: think back then, you just committed to those running backs

801
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Speaker 1: more than a game. I mean, I don't know, you

802
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Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, but I would guess Taylor's

803
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Speaker 1: yards per Carrey's not that different than those guys. I mean,

804
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Speaker 1: Fred Taylor. I would assume Taylor's even better than that,

805
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Speaker 1: or maybe even emmittt.

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Speaker 2: I would also say this, like I've documented this a

807
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Speaker 2: couple of times, like just look at the linebackers back

808
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: then versus now, Like you're looking for the bigger backs,

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Speaker 2: right linebackers, not running backs, so the running backs can

810
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Speaker 2: easily run past these guys. And in today's NFL, you've

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Speaker 2: got linebackers that are just as fast as not faster

812
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Speaker 2: than running backs.

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Speaker 1: Ye mean, the league is truly evolved, whether it's a

814
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Speaker 1: lack of a fullback, the lack of the true blocking

815
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Speaker 1: tight ends. You know, the running back skill set, to

816
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Speaker 1: your point, Eddie is probably more power based and more

817
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: receiving based. Taylor's honestly probably a little bit of an

818
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Speaker 1: anomaly in that when you look at the skill sets

819
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Speaker 1: around the league. But I would just say the quantity

820
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Speaker 1: of carries those guys got a game, we're huge, and

821
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Speaker 1: the longevity, like I mean, we live in a wear

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Speaker 1: and tear load management era period. I mean, that's just

823
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Speaker 1: Taylor is truly from a carry standpoint, again, a Wisconsin

824
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Speaker 1: certainly he's going to be an outlier. So that's how

825
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Speaker 1: I'd probably view that. One other thing I wanted to

826
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Speaker 1: add to Eddie. With all these coaches now being looks

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Speaker 1: like all ten openings are filled, that I assume means

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Speaker 1: Loui an Arumo is back. You know, I'm trying to

829
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Speaker 1: think around the league out of you know, maybe an

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Speaker 1: OC job for Jim Bob Cooter, Alex Tanney. We sent

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Speaker 1: you a mounted that I thought I saw. There's a

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Speaker 1: port that Charlie Gelman, the Colts analytics guy, he's going

833
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Speaker 1: to Baltimore. He had some history with the Ravens there.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, maybe he's got ties to

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Speaker 1: Baltimore area. Maybe he looks at and says, well, they

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Speaker 1: just hired a new coach. That's a longer release than

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Speaker 1: my you know, situation here in Indy, but who knows

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Speaker 1: on that? Again from a Shane stiken standpoint, Yes, you

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Speaker 1: know he's definitely aggressive on fourth down. I also think

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Speaker 1: at times he's maybe a little too eight oal about

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Speaker 1: the clock. But hell, look at the Seattle game and

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Speaker 1: you know some might view that differently. Of course at

843
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Speaker 1: the Denver game and you know there were some others

844
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Speaker 1: there where he was a little bit different on that.

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Speaker 1: So it looks like a new voice in the ear

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Speaker 1: of Shane Stikeen from an analytics standpoint, along with the

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Speaker 1: new d line coach. And as of now, we'll see,

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Speaker 1: you know, like Chris Hewitt, former Baltimore guy on the

849
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Speaker 1: Colt Staff'll see if there's anything else lingering, as you know,

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Speaker 1: the Raiders and the Cardinals fill out those staffs and

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Speaker 1: exactly what is the domino effect off of all of that?

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Speaker 1: Eddie Garrison your Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Pick, I've got the Seahawks winning twenty eight to ten.

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Speaker 1: I got the Patriots twenty three to twenty. Interesting, everybody's

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Speaker 1: going Seahawks on a blowout? That is that should?

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00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 2: I am my dumb. I just think Seattle's that good

857
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Speaker 2: and I haven't been impressed with Drake me in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: I mean, hasn't Naven played in like awful weather?

859
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but silly wit. I hope he would take care

860
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Speaker 2: of the ball better than he has.

861
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. And then now you have the

862
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Speaker 1: shoulder injury. I don't find I mean the Patriots is

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Speaker 1: a sympathetic figure. Sounds pretty gross to me, and by

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Speaker 1: no means is my heart and going there.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like New England's being like really really

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Speaker 1: written off, very very quickly in this world. But I

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Speaker 1: don't know, maybe I'm not thinking too bright.

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Speaker 2: If New England does win, it's because Hunter Henry has

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Speaker 2: a big game.

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Speaker 1: Oh Hunter Henry on that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Seahawks struggled against tight ends this year.

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Speaker 1: He is Eddie Garrison. I'm Kevin Bone ever to have

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Speaker 1: a great, great week. So some questions and we'll continue

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Speaker 1: to chat about pods leading into the combine and free agency.