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Speaker 1: ninety three to five and one oh seven five the Fan.

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Speaker 2: The rest of the motorsports world is finally caught up

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Speaker 2: to join IndyCar for the offseason, so that gets us

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Speaker 2: much closer to twenty twenty six and the Rolex twenty

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Speaker 2: four is just over a month away and more IndyCar

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Speaker 2: biggest mysteries in IndyCar question we posed earlier.

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Speaker 1: Hello, welcome, thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 2: It's Trackside ninety three five, one oh seven to five

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Speaker 2: the Fan in Indianapolis. That's where landon Coons is at.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Lee, Kirk Cavin reminder early notification. Next week's show

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Speaker 2: will be our final show of twenty twenty five, and

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Speaker 2: that is also set for.

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Speaker 1: At Tuesday, Tuesday, December sixteenth, and.

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Speaker 2: We'll have the next two weeks off and we will

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Speaker 2: reconvene Wednesday, January seventh of twenty twenty six. Okay, Kurt,

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Speaker 2: A lot of places we can start. There's there's a

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Speaker 2: But maybe I'll go with something that came across just

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Speaker 2: late this afternoon and answer Ken's question from every week,

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Speaker 2: When is the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Oval Test. You can't

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Speaker 2: to be three hundred thousand, But maybe I'm wrong.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I think it's still over a million people. I

432
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Speaker 1: think it'll be more than three hundred thousand. And I

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Speaker 1: do think if you have a if you're a destination

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Speaker 1: streaming platform, and you've got an ability to draw people in,

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Speaker 1: meaning the Amazon Prime thing, we get that. Most of

436
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Speaker 1: us now get that if we have Amazon Prime in

437
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Speaker 1: our shopping so and Peacock. If you're on Comcast, my

438
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 1: daughter gets peacock. I thought she was sharing my account

439
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: which I pay for, but she she doesn't because she

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Speaker 1: has comcasts. So there is a already a mechanism in

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Speaker 1: place for a couple of those streaming. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what Apple's mechanism is to draw people in, but this

443
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Speaker 1: is a good thing. The part about ESPN ignoring I

444
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Speaker 1: thought this was an interesting anecdote because I watched I

445
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Speaker 1: don't watch a lot of Sports Center and a lot

446
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: of ESPN shoulder programming, if you will, but just because

447
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: my interests have changed over the years, but there was

448
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Speaker 1: very little information on ESPN's college football show about number

449
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Speaker 1: one Ohio State and number two Indiana, which was on Fox.

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Speaker 1: They spent about two minutes on that game, and about

451
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Speaker 1: sixty minutes it seemed on Alabama Georgia because that was

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Speaker 1: on ESPN. I think that was the game. It was

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Speaker 1: on the game, it was the ABC game. That's when

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Speaker 1: they spent My point is it's that's real and they

455
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Speaker 1: are going to lose formula one is going to lose

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Speaker 1: touch with a lot of the common folk. But as

457
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Speaker 1: you say, they're not really worried about the common folk.

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Speaker 2: One thing I've wondered about, because that's been my thought too,

459
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Speaker 2: that ESPN is going to say goodbye to them. I

460
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Speaker 2: think I read though that Formula one is doing something

461
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Speaker 2: with Disney at the parks, like a Formula one ride

462
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Speaker 2: or something like that. Could be What if you know, again,

463
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Speaker 2: they're smarter than I am. They're billionaires.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what if Liberty Media they know this, thought this

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Speaker 1: ahead and said, all right, we may not air the

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Speaker 1: races on ESPN, but we're going to stay in business

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Speaker 1: with Disney, and we're going to do something else to

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Speaker 1: keep them invested. And it's possible that there's just simply

469
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Speaker 1: a pay to play. Hey, if we do this, we're

470
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Speaker 1: still going.

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Speaker 2: To get thirty seconds of highlights on the Sunday night,

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Speaker 2: Monday Morning Sports Center or something on. So that that

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Speaker 2: can all be done can essentially by time and not

474
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Speaker 2: be stated that way. But they take care of their partners,

475
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 2: and the other networks do the same. And when you

476
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Speaker 2: watch the NBC Sportsmen on Saturday after afternoon, they're previewing golf,

477
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 2: they're previewing they're previewing properties that they have.

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Speaker 1: But the but the exposure will be less, you just

479
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: it will be less has be, but there's there still

480
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Speaker 1: might be some yes, and they'll still cover something that's significant.

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Speaker 2: You know, NASCAR is not on ESPN, but they still

482
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Speaker 2: get some coverage at times, just not all the time,

483
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Speaker 2: you know, and once they get in the NFL season,

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure that every week you see a highlight

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Speaker 2: on the Sunday night.

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Speaker 1: Monday morning Sports center.

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Speaker 2: I think there has to be a big crash or

488
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Speaker 2: something really interesting happen to get a highlight.

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Speaker 1: So I found that.

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Speaker 2: Interesting Helmet Marco out today with Red Bull. That would

491
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Speaker 2: be one of the reasons, if I'm Alex Plow, I

492
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Speaker 2: wasn't really interested in going this is find a podcast

493
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Speaker 2: or something that has a former Red Bull junior driver.

494
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Speaker 2: And the difficulty there was dealing with Helmet Marco. And

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Speaker 2: while he may have been brilliant and he may have

496
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Speaker 2: found Verstappen and Vettel, he made your life pretty miserable

497
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Speaker 2: and that's probably why he was really good. But you know,

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Speaker 2: some of the stories I've heard, usually secondhand from people

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Speaker 2: that have dealt with him, of how much was demanded

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Speaker 2: of these kids, and if you don't win all the time,

501
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Speaker 2: you're out on your ear. And now he's been disinvited

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Speaker 2: and there's been a full change there. I don't know

503
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Speaker 2: how much say he had in the top level program

504
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Speaker 2: is more than junior level drivers. But that's going to

505
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Speaker 2: bring us up to our next point when I said,

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Speaker 2: I brought this up a few months ago and we

507
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Speaker 2: never had really time to get to it.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to do that next.

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Speaker 2: And I've gone back to the tweets that we had

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Speaker 2: that people sent in in September, biggest mysteries in Indy

511
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Speaker 2: Car unanswered questions over the years.

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Speaker 1: I'll go through some tweets.

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Speaker 2: I want something from you, Kurt, and that's one I

514
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: still want to know where did this? And this is

515
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: more recency, but where did the Alex Polo to F

516
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Speaker 2: one rumors that came about in August this year originate from?

517
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Speaker 2: Because I still think there was something and I'm starting

518
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Speaker 2: to think more and more it was more from the

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Speaker 2: F one side that they were kicking the tires. And

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Speaker 2: I think there's a good chance that Alex Pelow just

521
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Speaker 2: said nope, they're going to do that. Nobody has been

522
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Speaker 2: able to match Verstappen before, and then it probably again,

523
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Speaker 2: what's our answer always, you know, follow the trail, follow

524
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: the money trail, just like Deep Throat said in Watergate

525
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: and when Red Bull found out, Yeah, I actually if

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Speaker 2: we want to take over his contract, we're potentially on

527
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Speaker 2: the hook for thirty million.

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Speaker 1: Dollars in a lawsuit.

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Speaker 2: We're no longer interested, but we'll get to that and

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Speaker 2: more coming up and just the moment track Side ninety

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Speaker 2: three five one oh seven five the fan.

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Speaker 1: Hi, this is David Lucas and you're listening to track Side.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for staying with us. Circling back to something

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Speaker 2: I brought up a few months ago. I forget where

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Speaker 2: it came from.

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Speaker 1: It might have been.

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Speaker 2: It was a tweet that somebody had biggest mysteries in sport,

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00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: and I threw something out there, what about in our world,

539
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: biggest mysteries in IndyCar. So before I get to any

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Speaker 2: you have, and then I'll share some of mine. At

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Speaker 2: the end, I'll go through some of the tweets. This

542
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 2: one came in today, and then I'll get back to

543
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: some archives from Tommy the treats Triple Zero. Who will

544
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 2: be IndyCar's third OEM if it ever comes? I think

545
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: we need to say who's going to be IndyCar second

546
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Speaker 2: OEM because we need Honda to tell us whether they're

547
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Speaker 2: coming or going. I don't even know if Chevy or

548
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 2: GM has confirmed their long term commitment, but I think

549
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: we feel more confident about that at this point. So

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Speaker 2: that's the first one, is what's Honda going to do?

551
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: So then if they were to leave, then it becomes well,

552
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Speaker 2: who's going to be the second? Who will be the third?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

554
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Speaker 2: I have no idea, and I think it's going to

555
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: be one of those that it very easily could just

556
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Speaker 2: pop out of nowhere. Penske Entertainment is pretty good about

557
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: keeping things on the down low. Roger Penske is able

558
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: to do that, and he may be dealing directly with

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Speaker 2: CEOs and it could just happen. You know, we've heard

560
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: about Porsche, We've heard about Dodge, we've heard about Toyota.

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Speaker 2: In recent years, none of them came to fruition. So

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00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: fingers crossed Jason branch Kart Jake, nineteen eighty eight. How

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Speaker 2: about seeing teen Green's evidence of the end of the

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Speaker 2: two thousand and two Indy five hundred.

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Speaker 1: I like that one. I like that one a lot.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, And you know, this is like throwing

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Speaker 1: the challenge flag in an NFL game. You know, what

568
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: is the evidence that you think you have to make

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Speaker 1: it to throw the flag.

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00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: Well, I know who put their evidence together. My friend

571
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 2: Terry Lingner created the presentation. He was hired by Barry Green,

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Speaker 2: and I remember having Barry. I wish I had that tape,

573
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 2: but I had Barry on the old Sports Talk on WIBC,

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Speaker 2: and that was a fascinating conversation about that going through

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Speaker 2: it all. But here, ultimately, here's still I don't know

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Speaker 2: that the wrong decision was ultimately made. So the video evidence,

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Speaker 2: in my opinion is that yeah, Paul Tracy was in

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Speaker 2: front when the yellow flag came out, But how how

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Speaker 2: do we determine those things? When is a yellow a yellow?

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Speaker 2: Because Ylio Castronevez, from everything I've seen, was clearly in

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Speaker 2: front when the crash happened, and for a bit after

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Speaker 2: so when the yellow because on the track, when the

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Speaker 2: yellow should have came out, Eli Oh was still in front.

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Speaker 1: That's been my point of contention, And I know it

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Speaker 1: raises the ire of a lot of people, and I

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Speaker 1: get that, uh. I just know that when a crash

587
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Speaker 1: as significant as what we had in Turn two, we

588
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: have said for a long time that safety is the

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00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: most important thing. And if you know, it's one thing

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00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: if a driver spins into the grass and the caution

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00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: doesn't come out. This driver there was question about his peril.

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00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: There just was that was a massive hit in turn two.

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00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: Caution comes out. Now, whether the mechanisms did or didn't

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Speaker 1: come out, there's another story. But that was a bimber.

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Speaker 1: How long it was was it? Well, you're talking about

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Speaker 1: a couple of seconds. A couple of seconds. Yeah, probably

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00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: it's it's human input, so it's going to take a second.

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Speaker 1: And it seemed to just take a little bit longer

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Speaker 1: than it should have. Hey, yeah, yeah, don't bring the

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Speaker 1: one the one. I would like to know what was

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Speaker 1: the moment that Tony George said, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: it'd be a good idea to sell the Indianapolis Motor Speedway.

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00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I could understand maybe selling IndyCar. I could

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Speaker 1: understand maybe, you know, bring it on an investor. But

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Speaker 1: what hit him that day that he thought this is

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Speaker 1: a good idea? And second of all, was Roger Pinske

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Speaker 1: standing or sitting down when he was offered the chance

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Speaker 1: to buy the racetrack. I believe it was a laguna seka,

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Speaker 1: so he was probably standing up.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the story that was said that Tony

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Speaker 2: asked or why he did just in casual conversation mentioned it.

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Speaker 2: And the other second part is if Roger had said

613
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Speaker 2: we're not interested, would Tony have sold it?

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Speaker 1: Would he have?

615
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 2: Because I think Liberty Media was interested, there were other

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Speaker 2: interested parties. Was it a situation where he would have

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Speaker 2: only sold it to Roger Penske feeling comfortable with that?

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00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 2: Would he have gone to next in line if he?

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Speaker 2: If he said no, I don't know that Tony has

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Speaker 2: answered that or been asked that.

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Speaker 1: The other question that I think I have resolution to

622
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Speaker 1: is what sparked Tony George to start the Indie Racing League?

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Speaker 1: And that was as best I understand, coming out of

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00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: the meeting he had with where he was basically told

625
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: in Houston, we don't care what you have to say,

626
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: and at that point just said. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it was on the plane ride home or in that meeting,

628
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Speaker 1: but he basically said, Okay, I'll do it my way.

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Speaker 1: And so I think I have resolution to that one.

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Speaker 1: But I'd like to know what really was the was

631
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Speaker 1: you know, put up or shut up to sell the racetrack.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they had thought about it, talked about it,

633
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Speaker 1: but making the move. It's just it's just a whole

634
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Speaker 1: fascinating thing.

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Speaker 2: Lynn underscore Indy Car ask Or says, the reason why

636
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: I JPM returned to IndyCar with Penske racing instead of

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00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: Chip Ganassi racing, Well, Ganassi may not have had a seat,

638
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 2: I can't recall, so this would have been twenty fifteen.

639
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 2: That was a really good surprise though, that just came

640
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 2: out of nowhere that Montoya came back to IndyCar. And

641
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 2: at that time that was probably when Ganassi had four entries,

642
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: but two of them were pay entries, were funded drivers,

643
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Speaker 2: and then he had the nine and the ten. I

644
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: think we're the ones that were funded by Target. So yeah,

645
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: I would go back to answer again as usually money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he had that year that he had, you know,

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Speaker 1: the nine and the ten, and then he had some

648
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Speaker 1: combination well he had Charlie Kimball in the eighty three,

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Speaker 1: and then he had a combination of drivers Stage karum

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Speaker 1: As of Adra and I think that may just be it.

651
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Speaker 1: But the nine and the ten were Dixon and Ganan,

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Speaker 1: So you're in pretty good shape there. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe Ganassi or maybe maybe Montoya had already been

654
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Speaker 2: with Maybe it's simply because Penske offered, Yeah, Amanda Bauer,

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Speaker 2: are there any epic Month of May pranks where we

656
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Speaker 2: haven't learned the culprits? I've never really I apologize, I've

657
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Speaker 2: not paid attention to that.

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Speaker 1: That's for you know.

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Speaker 2: Connor Daily is in charge of that, and Colton Hurt

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Speaker 2: and those guys. I don't really follow those. So unless

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Speaker 2: you did.

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Speaker 1: No, no, right, it's a lot of mischief that I'm

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Speaker 1: all for pranks. I'm all for Sometimes I think they

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Speaker 1: go a little.

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Speaker 2: People that have too much time on their hands. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I got other things to do. But they're kids.

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Speaker 1: They're kids, so yeah, I think that's what we forget is,

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Speaker 1: you know how young it Maybe thirty five, but they're

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Speaker 1: still kids, that's right. And most of the ones in

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Speaker 1: the pranking business are not thirty five, by the way,

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Speaker 1: They're closer to twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I just screenshoted some questions we had from back.

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Speaker 2: I don't think this applies to this topic. We'll go

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Speaker 2: and address it anyway. Alex Kane seventeen seventy six why

675
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Speaker 2: did the hype of the hybrid die off and the

676
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Speaker 2: race day discussion about Hughes during the broadcast fall to

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Speaker 2: basically nothing. Watching races on Fox after the five hundred,

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Speaker 2: and the guys hardly ever mentioned it. I don't think

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Speaker 2: they felt like it was super interesting or had a

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Speaker 2: big impact on things. Everyone was kind of using it

681
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Speaker 2: the same, so that, unfortunately it is what it is.

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Speaker 2: I think it mattered. It was new at the ND

683
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Speaker 2: five hundred, and we wanted to see how people did

684
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Speaker 2: it in qualifying. I don't know that it'll be a

685
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Speaker 2: big of a story next year because everyone has decided

686
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Speaker 2: what the best way is to use it, and they're

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Speaker 2: all going to do.

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Speaker 1: It the same way. I think the other thing is

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Speaker 1: we're still such a visual just watching it. I think

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Speaker 1: there are some people who want to hear about all

691
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Speaker 1: the little nuances of the sport, but sometimes I think

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Speaker 1: we get bogged down and lose the audience.

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Speaker 2: How often do you hear about it in Formula one, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: other than every once in a while. Mentioned I remember

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Speaker 2: Hine telling you this that he was amazed when he

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Speaker 2: got into the Formula one world broadcasting with that F

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Speaker 2: one TV about all that is involved in that and

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Speaker 2: the region and the strategy involved, and that's not discussed.

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Speaker 1: It is a big part of.

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Speaker 2: This and it's it's mentioned in passing every once in

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Speaker 2: a while, because we mostly just want to see race

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Speaker 2: cars pass other race cars and race each other.

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Speaker 1: And of all the DRS conversation that the only way

704
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Speaker 1: that I'm really locked into that being an element in

705
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Speaker 1: the race is when I see the flaps go down

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Speaker 1: and I can tell I don't need somebody to tell

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Speaker 1: me that now we are in a passing situation. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that's gone now, DRS. I know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Clay Carter, Oh, here's a good one. What made

710
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Speaker 2: Kevin Cogan's car get sideways and the night Ken eighty two?

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Speaker 2: Was it a mechanical failure or cold tires due to

712
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Speaker 2: the slow starts?

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Speaker 1: You talk about a moment that changed a person's life.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying I met with Kevin a

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Speaker 1: few years ago, went to his house and it was

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Speaker 1: it was not the rock star that he would have been. Now,

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Speaker 1: maybe his life turns out that way anyway, But and

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Speaker 1: it probably has more to do his his situation at

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Speaker 1: the time I visited with him, probably had more to

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Speaker 1: do with the big crash that he had and the

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Speaker 1: ramifications long term of that crash on the front, you know,

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Speaker 1: at the entrance of pitt Lane more so than you

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Speaker 1: know that particular moment where he at the start of

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Speaker 1: the eighty five hundred. But you know, imagine how life

725
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Speaker 1: changes for a Jhar Hildebrand, for a Kevin Cogan, for

726
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Speaker 1: a person whose moment got away from him for whatever reason.

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Speaker 1: And there aren't many of those kind of moments that change.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Jr. Has done great, and he's a smart guy,

729
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Speaker 1: and I'm proud to know him, and you know you

730
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Speaker 1: are as well. But imagine if he was an in

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Speaker 1: five hundred winner right now. Yep.

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Speaker 2: Scott Stiller also asked how Tim Green lost their appeal

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Speaker 2: of Paul Tracy's Indy five hundred win. Okay, that's off topic, No,

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Speaker 2: He answered that one earlier Todd in Phoenix, whatever happened

735
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Speaker 2: to the FBI case that gave rise to the search

736
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Speaker 2: worn executed? A rayhall Let had been landing in HQ

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: I drove by there. I drove by there about three

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Speaker 1: days ago, and I was like, I wonder what happened

740
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Speaker 1: to that. I think I mentioned this on the show earlier.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to say the person's name, but he

742
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Speaker 1: was working in IndyCar this year so he didn't go

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Speaker 1: to prison, or if he did very long.

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Speaker 2: My guess is that the authorities eventually said, we've got

745
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Speaker 2: bigger things to do than this. You work this out yourself.

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Speaker 2: So I never heard anything else. I'm not in charge

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Speaker 2: of the police be or the court cases or anything.

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Speaker 2: Bob Pocras is always good about following those, so maybe

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Speaker 2: Bob will look in ato that. At some point we

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Speaker 2: might have run out of time for mine, So if

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Speaker 2: we have time in the next segment, I'll share those,

752
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Speaker 2: but we'll probably revisit some of the ones that I

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Speaker 2: had coming up next week, and we'll also see what

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Speaker 2: we missed next On Trackside.

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Speaker 1: Hi, this is Mark Serkson, and you're listening to Trackside

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Speaker 1: on ninety three five and one oh seven five to fan.

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Speaker 2: Okay, final segment of more Tweets, Brian m says, who

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Speaker 2: do we start lobbying at IndyCar on Fox to broadcast

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Speaker 2: the five hundred and four K next year? Ohio State

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00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 2: versus Michigan last week? And OSU I you tonight?

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Speaker 1: Are so the equipment availabled in Fox Sports, it's always different.

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Speaker 1: I don't that's above my pay grade to know how

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Speaker 1: that works. I think IMS Productions still provides the trucks

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Speaker 1: compared to what you're seeing in the NFL or college football,

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Speaker 1: So I don't think it's as simple as Fox has

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Speaker 1: it for some events. It has them for all events,

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Speaker 1: but who knows. I don't know if I would notice

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Speaker 1: the difference. I don't know if my TV is four

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Speaker 1: K or not. From Lynn, congratulations to DCR for keeping

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Speaker 1: his annual tradition of being the last team to complete

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Speaker 1: its lineup. What percentage do you put on the following

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Speaker 1: one Daily two, Lenus three, Roman four other driver. M

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Speaker 1: all right, I'll go.

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Speaker 2: Other driver thirty percent, Grojan thirty percent, uh Lenis fifteen percent,

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Speaker 2: and Connor fifteen percent. And I don't know that I

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Speaker 2: feel that confident about others. I probably should give and I.

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Speaker 1: Think that added up to one hundred. I think i'd

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Speaker 1: probably put other driver. I probably should have put that

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Speaker 1: a little higher.

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Speaker 2: I know Grojean was the target, but I don't know

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Speaker 2: if they found a way to make that happen financially

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Speaker 2: run the car. And if I'm Roman gro Jean, I'm

783
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Speaker 2: not doing this for free. You know, at this point

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Speaker 2: he's going to need a salary, so that is a

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Speaker 2: little bit different than some of the other drivers, especially

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Speaker 2: younger drivers that are going to do it on prospect,

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Speaker 2: hoping it leads to a better financial situation down the road. Okay,

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Speaker 2: out of time for tonight. We'll see you next Tuesday

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Speaker 2: night again at seven o'clock on track side ninety three

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Speaker 2: five one oh seven five The fan