WEBVTT - Best of JMV 8/6/26 0:00:00.000 --> 0:00:02.520 But have they any more? Automotive group potline, It's been 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:05.080 somewhat of a compelling day. I'm assuming in Wissel have 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:09.880 he yet from Golden Black Illustrated? It is our good 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:13.320 friend Tommy d Tom Dean Hart joining us. So what 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:19.479 of the introduction of new athletic director Tommy McClellan today. 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.520 Yeah, I guess he's gone viral for probably all the 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:26.840 wrong reasons. Right in the moment, you know, I was 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:30.600 sitting on the front road, John, and when you uttered that, 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:33.519 you sort of kind of did a double take and 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:34.840 kind of wondering. 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:36.440 If you really heard what you thought you heard. 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:39.800 Not sure if he was really trying to kind of 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:42.600 do a signetty and poke the bear, poke your rival 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:45.800 or not, or or if he just wasn't aware. I 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:50.239 guess I use National Championship pedigre either way, kind of 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:51.600 a dubious way to get started. 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:55.200 Yeah, it's gonna be tough to live down, is it not? 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:57.440 When he gets started in this fashion, Tommy. 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:01.840 Think about this. I mean, Kurt Signet doesn't need any 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:06.000 more few for his fire, right. What's been the combined 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:08.200 score of the last two bucket games? I think pre 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:13.360 scored what three points this year the games in Bloomington. 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:16.360 So again needless to say, he doesn't need any more 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:18.200 motivation to. 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:19.080 Really get fired up. 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:20.880 And I can throw this log on the fire, so 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:23.240 I know, the bucket games along the way away and 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:26.840 and what the heck you gotta be you gotta like 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:32.280 the moxie and and I guess the motivation of the 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:34.360 new A D Tommy McClelland here that to come out 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:36.880 and say something like that in his opening press conference. 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:40.640 Yeah, there probably would have been better ways to go 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:43.199 about it. I'll give you a great example. I thought 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:46.640 Barry owed him big ten media days. I thought he 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:49.440 handled it great, saying, hey, this is who we want 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:51.960 to be, this is where we want to reach. We 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:55.800 want to do these things too. And I'm assuming Matt 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:59.760 Painter probably would have had better advice in dialogue as well. 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:02.680 It didn't seem like that maybe Tommy practiced that speech 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:04.760 on anybody in particular before he gave it. 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:07.280 Yeah, he should have maybe ran it by somebody. 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:09.799 And you know what, I get it, John, I'm sure 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:14.320 everybody produced tired of being asked about Indiana, tired about 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:17.080 you know, why can't we be in Indiana? Can you 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:19.880 ever have success like Indiana, on and on it goes, right, 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:22.680 But like you said, there are certain ways to handle 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:26.799 that and tip your hat. You gotta tip your hat 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:29.800 to what they've done in football. It's just been incredible, 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:33.160 one of the greatest stories in sports history, not just 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:35.079 college football history, but sports history. 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:37.560 What they've been able to do in just two short years. 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:40.320 And that run last year John to go sixteen to 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:43.800 h multiple playoff games against that run of teams was 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:45.799 one of the probably better runs in the history of 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.840 the sport as well. So you just tip your hat 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:51.320 and then move on, and like you said, that's a 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:53.960 place we'd like to be one day. And then just 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:57.280 change the subject. And if you're not asked about Indiana, 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:01.239 certainly don't bring them up. Right, Just you're you're better, 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:03.640 always better off in life, just taking care of yourself 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:06.400 and not worrying about everybody, at least at this stage 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:07.880 if you're pretty especially. 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:12.440 Yeah, And what's funny when when Signetti did that, if 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:14.919 you're going to make a comparison to you know, I win, 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:19.280 google me whatever what I mean? He had one Google 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.880 him and just at a much lower level at the time, 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:25.600 people thought, all right, what do you had to lose 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:29.600 in this case. You know, what you're doing is is 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:35.080 kind of nationwide clowning yourself, and the program doesn't want 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:38.240 to be clowned. The football program in this case does 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:40.360 not want to be cloud anymore than it has been 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:43.920 on the field. That's what you're trying to make up for. 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:47.120 You're trying to create a better environment for it. And yeah, 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:49.960 there are ways to start, and you can start like Signetti. 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:51.840 And obviously he backed it up and nobody thought he 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:53.440 was going to at the time when he said that. 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:56.160 I remember him keep being Tommy on the show and 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:58.840 everybody was going, what are you doing? What are you saying? 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:02.720 But he had really nothing to lose because nothing had 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:07.080 ever really been done with that program. Unfortunately, today it 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:09.960 went beast askwards in wessel Off he had because you 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:14.560 just ended up being a nationwide side show, which is 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:15.880 exactly what you don't want. 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:18.440 Yeah, from corner to corner, from coast to coast. When 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:20.919 you look at social media, you scroll through your Twitter, 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:24.120 you see everybody chiming in on it, and like I said, 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:26.640 all the wrong reasons to go viral. And you know, 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:32.080 it's too bad, John, you know, otherwise I thought Tim 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:34.880 McClellan did a very good job today, right. I thought 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:37.960 he handed himself with a plumb, had a good message 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:43.040 to deliver. Yeah, Field the most every questions. Well, but unfortunately, unfortunately, 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:47.240 you know how things go. It's that one one area 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:49.520 that everybody's going to focus on, just like in our life. Right, 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.200 we can have the greatest life and we make that 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:55.400 one mistake in life and that seems to define Hbut 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:57.400 it so again, this is this is sort of a 0:04:57.920 --> 0:04:59.919 in one way, sort of a microcosm. 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:01.320 That's unfortunate for Tommy. 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.480 Like I said, he seems like a good fit, a 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:06.680 good guy for Prdue, but just just uh, you know, 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:08.559 I'm missed up that. I'm sure he's going to regret 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:13.640 hindsight and you kind of maybe over time this sort 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:16.560 of dissipace, but right now it's it's it's been blasted, 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.040 like I said, from from coast to coast, especially on 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:19.640 social media. 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:24.280 Yeah, and that was a scripted material, to which I mean, 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:26.160 I think it's one thing where you just go you 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.560 say that, oh man, that was in the moment off 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:32.080 the top of my head, but that being on the 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:33.560 script wasn't great. 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:38.000 Yeah, it was scripted, and yeah, like I said it, 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:40.760 it'd be kind of nice at some point to talk 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:43.520 to him. I don't know, Yeah, I kind of want 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:46.880 to hear from him. Yeah, this has become the story 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:49.520 unfortunately right in a lot of ways, reached a very 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:54.359 big part of the story of today. And it's almost 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:58.240 you kind of wonder what the thinking was, well, what 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:01.520 his intent was in that in that uh, in that statement. 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:04.000 So here we are talking about it, like I said, 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:07.400 and it's uh, just sort of a midstep right out 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:09.120 of the gate for the new pre athletic director. 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:11.800 That's Tom dean Hart of Golden Black Illustrated. So what 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:13.920 do you expect out of him outside of putting his 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.719 foot in his mouth in this introductory press conference today? 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.000 Finding new streams for revenue, That's that's kind of the 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.400 bus the buzz phrase now right. You know, we met 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:28.120 with Mike Blebenski last Monday and we asked him what 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:30.480 the next marching order would be for the for his 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:34.280 credit for his successor and finding new revenue streams that's 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:37.120 the big one. We see uniform patches become one of 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:39.440 those sources of revenue and and you. 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:40.279 Have to be creative. 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:41.720 I think he's going to look for ways to use 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.600 ross Aid Stadium and Mackie Arena outside of just pre 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:48.400 exclusive sporting events, whatever it is. You know, he's done 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.760 a good job raising money in finding revenue streams at 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:55.120 places that don't have a lot of athletic built in advantages, 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:59.760 like Rice and like Varider Building in particular. So, uh, 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:04.480 he's used to challenges, challenges, and he's used to raising money. 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:06.480 He's been very good at raising money, and that seems 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:08.640 to be a big part of anybody's job in athletic 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:12.400 administration Today. John is raising money for the continuing rising 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:15.120 cost of He's putting these rosters together from a year 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.200 to year because you know, the price is not going down. 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:20.600 How do you do that? What do you think the 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.080 protocol is going to be at Purdue to do that? 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:28.040 And have they been late to the game of really 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:30.720 truly getting on board or is this kind of the 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:34.680 situation with the hand they were dealt when nil became 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.480 so prevalent as it is now it's. 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:40.000 Kind of hard to tell what numbers are real and 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:43.960 really who's doing what. Everybody here kind of gets the 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:46.240 sense Purdue is maybe a little bit behind the eight ball, 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:49.600 if I'm being honest, If you ask most people. I 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:51.880 think the basketball team has been well taken care of. 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:56.240 A lot of times we're told, well, the Purdue alums 0:07:56.280 --> 0:08:01.280 don't have a real appetite for nil, but everybody has 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:04.760 an appetite for winning, right, And uh, there's like I said, 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:08.200 they sure support that basketball team with nil. You never 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:10.000 hear about player of defections and a lot of that's 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:13.400 Matt Painters just mojo in chemistry. He's really built quite 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:15.840 a you know, the corny family atmosphere. 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:16.800 But it's legit. 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:19.920 And but again, like I said, my point being, they 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:23.440 have to retain their basketball players. Pretty hasn't retained one 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:27.600 football player the last three or four years that that 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:34.280 another school wanted will help, you know, Dylan Thienemann, Max Claire, 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.960 Nick Scorton, on and on. It's gone pretty much every 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:40.280 prey football player that has some other bigger school wanted, 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:42.200 they got and pretty couldn't keep them. 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:43.200 That's tight. 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:46.320 He's got to got to turn and uh, at some 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:49.040 point what comes first at chicken of the A You're 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:53.040 gonna have to poney up and trusting your coach. Increase 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:56.280 the funds because again you hear some of the off 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.319 season talk forty million dollars rosters of being built right now, 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:03.480 John can meet the refshare max right twenty two million, 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:08.040 but it's that next level, the nil money that really 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:09.240 separates these programs. 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:09.959 It seems like. 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:14.320 Tom Dean out of Golden Black illustrated. Before I let 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:17.559 you go, what's your expectation for Barry Odam and your 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:21.520 number two up there? And I guess your expectation and 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:25.720 the fan base expectation because you would expect I would 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:28.920 guess a lot of growth in your number two. Is 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:30.120 that what we're going to see? 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:31.040 Yeah? 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:32.599 I think it's a little more stable this year. The 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:34.840 roster there wasn't as much turnover. I think the coaching 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:41.199 staff's been tweaked in a positive direction. I am told 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:43.760 ticket sales are down. I'm not sure how down they are, 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:45.840 but they are down. It's going to be very interesting 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:49.600 to see John when you're Indiana State Sycamore's rolling here 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:51.440 on September fourth, that Friday night. 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:52.600 What the crowd looks like? 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:53.040 Yeah? 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:55.320 And then next week for a game at High and 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:57.040 UN against Wake Forest. 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:01.320 Two huge games and as far as the expectations, you know, 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:04.480 Las Vegas has set the overrunder win total at three 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:07.720 and a half you're gonna take the over or the under, 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:10.640 And I think right now I'm still inclined to take 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:11.040 the under. 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:12.559 I'm looking at three and nine. 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:17.960 And if they lose that Wake Forest game, boy, the 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:20.520 hill got that much steeper. So three and nine, four 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:23.560 and eight I think would be progressing. You know what, 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:27.200 two would be progressed, John, don't get totally wiped out 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:28.880 by Notre Dame in Indiana. 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:33.319 Yeah, they would. Yeah, just a lot of character builders 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:36.160 going on right there. And you know what, Tommy and 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:41.400 closing here, it's easier said than done considering what's transpired 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:44.760 with your biggest rival in the past two years, and 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:49.040 that also gets stacked on top of you, and you 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:50.760 know that's that's the part of this whole deal. 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:53.599 Yeah, And they got Order Dame to the North and 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.319 Indiana the South. Now two of the what top five 0:10:56.800 --> 0:11:00.440 programs in the nation and produced is trying to be 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:03.200 that little train that could and get its head above 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.640 the water and just get the respectability. They'd pray to 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:08.959 go six and six at this point. So the challenge 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:10.959 is mighty for Barry. You owed him and company, and 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:13.360 we'll see what he can do. And he's gonna need 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:15.760 all the support and all the resources that his new boss, 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:17.280 Tommy McClellan can give him. 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:21.120 Yeah, maybe he should have said Indiana state instead of Indiana. 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:22.640 I think that was on the script. 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:23.640 I know. 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:27.920 It's incredible. Man, he'll again and it's just unfortunate. That's 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:30.439 that's gonna be the fining moment from this press conference. 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:32.079 And Tommy's got to own it. 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:35.160 Man, he does. I'd be curious to see how when 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:38.280 he gets asked the questions, how he responds to that. 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:42.600 Tommy, Yeah, that would say a lot. And sometimes you're 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:45.240 better off. Maybe just admitting you, man, you're always better off. 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:47.600 I think admitting you made a mistake, instead of doubling 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:48.280 down on things. 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:51.160 Oh well, we all come up with jokes or cracks 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.319 that don't go over very well. We have to double 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.480 back and say, hey, you know that was my attempt 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:56.240 at being funny. 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:59.719 Yeah, instead of trying to justify it or talk you 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:01.960 away around and I think you're better off sometimes just 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:05.040 own it and saying, look, I probably shouldn't have said 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:08.200 what I said. It was a misstatement, and you know, respect, 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:11.920 we respect Indiana and and we look forward to competing 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:12.640 with them in the fuse. 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:13.720 Just keep it generic. 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:17.760 And uh, but then again, you don't want to continue 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.040 to breathe life into something. Right, The more you keep rain, 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:23.240 you breathe life into and it continues to live. You 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:24.559 know what the news cycle is like. 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:26.319 Things. 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:29.400 Things move off our radar quick, John, They move off 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:30.280 our radar quick. 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:31.000 I'm not saying this. 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:32.320 Well, it's always gonna be in the back of mind 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:34.160 of Indiana fans are pretty fans, but it moves off 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:35.360 the national radars quick. 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:36.640 And we went. 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:41.040 From Diana Russini being the hottest thing in America to 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:44.600 whatever is next? And and that's again our attention SPAN's 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:47.000 gonna be very fleeting in social media age especially. 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:50.120 Wow, what a crap water world you just described right there. 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:53.240 We live. That's a part of it. Thanks Tommy, Thanks 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:55.760 for justifying the crap water we're in right here. Thanks Pal, 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:57.000 I appreciate you. 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:58.439 All Right, my friend, we'll be talking. 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:01.480 That is Tommy Deeds. I'm Dean Hart of Golden Black, 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:07.000 illustrated on the Andy Moore Auto Motive group hootline. Hey, 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:08.920 tomorrow night's going to be a big night for us 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:11.840 all because if you're like me and a member of 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:17.240 Generation X, one of the all time greatest artists will 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:20.559 be on the stage along with the English Beat, Wang 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:24.840 Chung and Modern English. The headliner, he's spit on the 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.800 show before, and he's one of the nicest humans you 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:32.760 will ever meet. It is Howard Jones. Tomorrow night, everwise Amphitheater. 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.840 We'll see you all there, and Howard's kind enough to 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:39.800 join us now here on the ride with me. JMV. Howard, 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:41.400 thank you for the time. How are you, sir? 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.600 I'm very well psych you. Thank you. JMV. It's very 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:47.760 very kind of you to give such a great introduction. 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:52.120 You are seriously every time you come to town, whether it's 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:54.800 here or down in Brown County in Nashville. As I've 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:58.120 seen you before, you are one of the nicest humans 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:02.600 of all time, and I am so I am so appreciable. Well, 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:06.200 if you remember, my daughter Laney is a tremendous fan 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.000 and going all the way back to her second grade year, 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:11.400 she said you were her favorite artists and you were 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:14.120 kind enough to ask about her left time, and those 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:15.800 are things that stick with people. Howard. 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:19.960 Yeah, that is so great that she you know, she's 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:23.120 been a fan since that long. I mean, is he 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:25.160 able to come to the show. I mean. 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:32.920 I well, yeah, I think I think she may be 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:37.240 coming now. Yes, so if she's on the guest list, 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.840 she may be coming out now. Obviously I'm coming. I've 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:42.840 seen you a variety of times, and really this goes 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:46.960 back to the nineteen eighties, and I'm curious, multi decades 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:51.120 of touring, and you tour, and you tour a lot, 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:52.400 does it ever get old for you? 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:56.160 No, No, it doesn't. I swear to you it doesn't, 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:58.800 because I mean, it's like the best job in the world, 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:02.560 playing so to people that they know and they're singing 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:06.680 them back to you, and you know, creating this atmosphere 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:10.880 in whatever venue I'm playing it. Honestly, it's such a 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:12.880 joy to do it, and you know, it is what 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:16.480 I do. I mean, I couldn't really do much else, 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:19.360 so this is I'm just going to do what I 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.120 can do, and I love it. 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:25.800 Yeah, Howard Jones coming up tomorrow night. Ever Wise, you 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:29.240 know what's amazing is we have a mutual friend named 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:33.080 Steve here in Indy and you've been out to the 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:37.080 Indianapolis Motor Speedway before. This is literally one of your 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:39.840 favorite stops. Is it not on your tour schedule here 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:40.920 in Indianapolis. 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.440 Yeah, yeah, absolutely, we've we've been to the Indy five 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:48.520 hundred track a couple of times now, and the rest 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:52.040 of the band are very excited because they they're new 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:54.600 to my band and they're going to go down with 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:58.040 as Steve Shunk and and you know, go to the 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:01.320 museum and get driven around the track. It's the most 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:05.480 amazing thing. And I'm a big motors thought fan of 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:09.760 formula you know, I followed Formula One and and you know, 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:13.400 anything of the racing cars I'm big time into. So 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:17.160 it's such a thrill. It's such an amazing track and 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.880 driving around it is like something special. It's huge. 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:24.320 Tom Howard Jones is with us. What did you say, 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:26.720 were you kind of shocked at just how big the 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:29.200 place was the first time that you stepped foot over 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:29.640 their house? 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:35.520 Yeah? Absolutely absolutely, you know, and you know, we were 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:39.160 driven around in this in this beautiful old vintage car 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:41.640 and that they have, you know, in their in their 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:45.680 motor museum, and it was just it was just a thrill. 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:48.440 And then we were driven around in a Ford Mustang 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:52.040 by one of the Indy Car drivers and yeah, I 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:55.000 mean it was it's it's there in the memory. You know, 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:58.080 I'll never forget it. It's twice you've been now. Yeah, 0:16:58.120 --> 0:16:58.600 it's great. 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:01.480 It is a a great time for real tomorrow and 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:05.439 that's going to be a great time too. Howard Jones 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:08.240 is with us. How has the tour been so far? Howard? 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:13.919 It's been absolutely amazing. You know. All the gigs have 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:17.960 gone really well. We've had great turnouts and and it's 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:21.240 it's interesting because you know, it's it's very much people 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:23.800 coming coming through to get their tickets in their last 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.639 few days because people are like checking them, you know, 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:30.160 like we know that money's tight today, you know, and 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:32.000 and people are sort of looking at the weather, they're 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:35.400 looking have they got the money to go? And we're 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:37.960 seeing you know, big walk cups to the shows, which 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:41.320 is really quite interesting to see, you know, because it's 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:44.800 a it sort of makes you realize, you know, you 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.240 know it it's wonderful that people come, but they can 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:49.439 afford to come to the shows at the moment. There 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:51.520 was a guy that I met who was doing security 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:55.840 in one of the kids we've just done in Austin, 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.840 and he was he was saying, he's not he's not 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:02.120 switching on his his air conditioning and his cart because 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:04.840 he's trying to because he wants he needs to save money, 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:07.560 you know, and that really that brought it home to me. 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:10.760 But it's so great to see so many people coming out. 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:14.240 Yeah, it's got to be gratifying. You go, you know, 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:17.640 all the way back, just multi decades, and you mentioned 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:22.000 having people sing those songs, you know, word the word 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:24.840 of all your lyrics back to you and know that 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:26.760 you're still able to do this and enjoy it to 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:30.280 the level in which you do has to be incredibly gratifying. 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:34.960 Yeah, yeah, it is, it is. It's I feel very pleaded, 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:36.520 you know. I mean we you know, we look after 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:39.680 me and my wife, We look after our health and 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.000 you know, eat well, trying to get good rest so 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:45.879 that we can do these tours and give like full 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:50.040 energy and you know, really really get people excited. And 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:53.320 you know, that's what I love doing. So I'm very 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:55.680 grateful to be able to do it. Still. 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:59.840 It's great Wang Chung Modern English and the English beat 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:02.680 up part of this. It occurred to me, how long 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:06.480 have you and Dave Wakeling been acquaintances? How far back 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:06.800 do we go? 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:12.439 Yeah? Actually we we He's he's taught. We've toured together 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:15.680 quite a few times in the past, so we've got 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:19.560 to know each other through that, and same with Modern English. 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:23.199 We've toured with them, but I never never had, you know, 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:26.320 the pleasure of having Wang Wan Chung on the on 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:29.520 the on the bill with us. And although I know 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:33.439 Jack hughes for it for a long time, we you know, 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:37.600 we go back, you know, decades. So it's like, it's 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:40.000 great having all these amazing people on the road, and 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:44.080 there's a great atmosphere between the bands, and everyone has 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:46.679 got a unique sound, which is very cool, you know. 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:49.280 So people get a great a great night of music. 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:53.560 And then Richard Blade gives his interludes where he you know, 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:56.800 bigs up the eighties and and teaches us about how 0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:59.880 great that decade was. Well, yeah, it's as good. 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:02.920 Richard Blade is one of the iconic DJs out there, 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:05.840 and as Howard mentions, he gets up on stage and 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:08.080 talks up a lot of stories. Now you've been an 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:11.000 acquaintance of Richard for a number of years, have you 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:13.000