1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Well, there's that version of the program where we check 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: in with the person who has her finger on the 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: pulse of the State House, and if she doesn't have 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: her finger on it, she has her finger on. 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: Someone who has their finger on it. 6 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: It is Nicki Kelly from Indiana Capitol Chronicle, Nikki big 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: Doings yesterday and Lemnon the governor was there the Meta 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: ten billion dollar data center campus? 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: All eyes are focused on that. 10 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 1: Let's talk about it, a ten billion dollar data center campus. 11 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: And there's well, there's a lot of questions about it. 12 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: So I guess I just want to start with this. 13 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: Do we know how much will the tax incentives cost 14 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: state and local taxpayers over time? 15 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 3: I think we're still trying to understand the full incentive package. 16 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 3: I mean, it sounds like the state incentives are mostly 17 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 3: the sales tax exemption that already existed in law, so 18 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 3: that's not necessarily you know, a new thing, so they 19 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 3: don't have to pay sales tax on their utilities, which 20 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 3: will clearly save them, you know, hundreds of millions to 21 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 3: billions of dollars. And then the other state tax credits 22 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 3: that they can get are performance based and so the 23 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 3: IEDC says you know, until they hire those people and 24 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 3: train those people, they don't get that money, so they 25 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 3: think that that covers them. 26 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,919 Speaker 1: There, So one million dollars per year for twenty years 27 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: for energy bill assistance. What safeguards have they mentioned that 28 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: they are going to ensure that residents aren't going to 29 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: see higher utility bills. 30 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 3: Well, according to both META and the Governor, Well, first 31 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 3: of all, that is covering all the upgrade costs of 32 00:01:54,480 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 3: anything that's been upgraded for electricity, and you know, they 33 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 3: say they're covering the full amount of any you know, 34 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 3: utilities that will come into their area. Obviously they have 35 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 3: to pay their utility bills, So if they're paying for 36 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 3: the upgrades, I mean, I think that would cover it. 37 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 3: The governor has a pretty insistent on that point. Additionally, 38 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 3: they say they're going to return, they're going to invest 39 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 3: in projects, renew over projects such as solar wind to 40 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 3: put basically as much back on the grid as they're 41 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 3: taking off. 42 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 4: Okay, Nikki, so correct me if I have any of 43 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 4: these details wrong. 44 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 5: But this META Data Center that was opened yesterday is 45 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 5: just one portion of the. 46 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,399 Speaker 4: Broader Leap District project. 47 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 5: And I know that META has been talked about remind 48 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 5: me again, are there any other businesses that are committed 49 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 5: to the Leap district or are we still just stuck 50 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 5: with this one made Meta data Center. 51 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I you know, it was interesting 52 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 3: to me. I mean people think data center one big building. 53 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 3: I mean this is a massive campus. It's thirteen buildings, wow, 54 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 3: including ten data center buildings. 55 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like fifteen hundred acres. 56 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and yes it is on Leap as well 57 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 3: as Lily, So Lily is the big h you know, 58 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 3: lead partner. So right now we have Lily and Meta 59 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 3: there and I think they're taking up maybe three thousand 60 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 3: acres of it themselves. So yeah, those are the only 61 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 3: two committed so far, but those are pretty massive on 62 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 3: their own. 63 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: Now, they've said that they plan to restore one hundred 64 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: percent of the water used to the local water sheds, 65 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: and I'm just curious, how is the state going to 66 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: verify the company's water restoration claims? 67 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean again I've as We've asked for the 68 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 3: full agreement between the state and Meta and have not 69 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 3: received it yet. They obviously they do file reports with 70 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 3: water authorities on how much they use, so we'll be 71 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 3: able to see that every year and yeah, so I 72 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 3: mean some of it is you know, obviously, these are 73 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 3: their commitments and we will have to watch them going forward. 74 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 3: But I will say being at the event, I mean, 75 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 3: you know, we've known META was coming for a while now. 76 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 3: It kind of leaked out that it, you know, no 77 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 3: one would quote confirm it. And so it seems that 78 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 3: they have put together this massive package on the electricity front, 79 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 3: the community, you know, the community investment front, the waterfront 80 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 3: to try to uh, you know, being good stewards and neighbors. 81 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 3: And I'm sure that that was partially related to all 82 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 3: the pushback Indiana has seen, uh you know in the 83 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 3: last year. 84 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like there's a lot of trust U 85 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: just trust us, thrust verify. 86 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: You know, and trust Verify. 87 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not really sure what they could stay upfront. Again, 88 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 3: these are commitments. They will have to keep pace with 89 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 3: them and file certain documentation with the IADC, and hopefully 90 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 3: we'll know more about that once we get the full 91 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,119 Speaker 3: agreement between guide. 92 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: Yes, because when we think of IEDC, we think of transparency. 93 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 2: That's the first thing that comes to mind. 94 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: Nikki Kelly from Indiana Capitol Chronicle is joining us Okay, 95 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: let's move on to this. Indiana receiving the first ICE 96 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: detainee payment and it's one point one seven million dollars 97 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: from the federal government. 98 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 5: Yep. 99 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 3: That was just for October's detainees. That was submitted a 100 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 3: while ago, but it was technically submitted during the federal 101 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 3: government shutdown, so everything's been pushedback. But they finally got 102 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 3: the first payment and you can see, you know, at 103 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 3: two hundred and ninety four dollar a day. So now 104 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 3: Indiana is starting to recoup you know, not only their costs, 105 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 3: but there were some initial upfront costs that the state 106 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 3: had to pay a two upgrade parts of the facility. 107 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: Nikki, how many detainees are currently housed there. 108 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 3: They average about five hundred and fifty right now, so 109 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 3: and that's been obviously ramped me out and they can 110 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 3: do up to one thousand, but they're averaging about five 111 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty. 112 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 5: And Nikki, these payments, are they just for that facility 113 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 5: that we opened up near Grissom Air Force Base or 114 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 5: are there other facilities that in the state that we're 115 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 5: housing illegals at that the government is reinforsing us for. 116 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 3: No, this is just for those being held at the 117 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 3: Miami Correctional Facility the thousand beds that were made available. Basically, 118 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 3: Miami is a mirrored institution where they have like kind 119 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 3: of two sections. They only had one section open for 120 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 3: state prisoners because they couldn't staff the other section. Under 121 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 3: this because of the additional wages they're offering, they say 122 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 3: they're able to staff thoth sections now, but they keep 123 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 3: the prisoners and the detainees completely separate. 124 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: How long does the agreement go for with the federal government? 125 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: Do we know? 126 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 3: It's a two year agreement and I you know, I 127 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 3: think October was the first month that we started fully 128 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 3: taking them in. There were some prep work done in September. 129 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and now there's consideration ICE is going to have 130 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:29,679 Speaker 1: a permanent location in Carmel. 131 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 3: Correct, That's what I'm I re read. Just like you, 132 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 3: I don't know anything specific about that issue. 133 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, a new place for the blue Hairs to go protest. 134 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: There's another story that you have in Indiana Capital Chronicle 135 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: about this lawsuit over removal of ICE tracking platforms. 136 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: Tell me about that. 137 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, So there are two people who had different platforms 138 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 3: that were not necessarily tracking ICE. One of them the 139 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 3: in a resident Mark Hodges was more archival. It's like 140 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 3: archiving all these videos you're seeing out there of interactions 141 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 3: with Ice, and so it's not really tracking them in 142 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 3: live things. But anyway, the DHS came out and threatened 143 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 3: Apple and Facebook to remove these things from their you know, 144 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 3: play stores, their app stores. And now the two people 145 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 3: who run these two different platforms have sued alleging First 146 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 3: Amendment censorship. 147 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: But we don't know if there were any actual laws 148 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: broken by the tracking platforms. 149 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 3: Not that I can not that it has been alleged. 150 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 3: You know, they basically were just you know, I think 151 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 3: it was Pambondi and Christy Nome saying they wanted them 152 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 3: removed because they were allegedly putting Ice in danger. Again, 153 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 3: the Illinois person, they're basically two plaintiffs in the case, 154 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 3: was more of the tracking an issue. The Indiana person 155 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 3: was more ar Tibal wanted to keep all these videos 156 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 3: in one place, of all these interactions that we're all 157 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 3: seeing all over social media. 158 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: So you also have a story in Indiana Capitol chronicled 159 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: Nikki Kelly is joining US lawmakers considering new restrictions on 160 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: the syringe exchange programs. Some supporters say, could increase oversight. 161 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: Other people say would undermine addiction recovery efforts. 162 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 2: What is the latest with that. 163 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a pretty fascinating issue. The Republicans are 164 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 3: very split. Obviously, there are some law and order Republicans 165 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 3: who just don't like the idea at all about you know, 166 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 3: a needle exchange program. There are other Republicans who say 167 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 3: this obviously the public health issue. If we keep the 168 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 3: clean needles and the not sharing of the needles, we 169 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 3: keep communicable disease down. And then in addition to that, 170 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 3: because this is a touch point where addicts can go, 171 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 3: they eventually get services and get clean, not all of them, 172 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 3: but you know, they've been very successful at getting these 173 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 3: people into programs. So yeah, but now they're going to 174 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 3: put in some new restrictions. You know, it's still under discussion. 175 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 3: The big one that is very controversial is requiring identification 176 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 3: to exchange the needles. Obviously, when you're talking about addicts, 177 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 3: you know, using the legal drugs, there's concern by advocates 178 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 3: that they just won't they just won't come to that anymore, 179 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 3: and so that will basically dismantle the program on it. 180 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: Right, they don't want to supply an ID because yeah, 181 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: they just don't want to be known. 182 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 5: So, Nikki, this came out originally, this program in twenty fifteen, 183 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 5: and it was a ten year program and it was 184 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 5: designed to come to an end or be option to 185 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 5: be renewed. Here, what are they looking at from a 186 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 5: renewal standpoint? Are they looking to do another ten years 187 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:58,119 Speaker 5: or or art things changing from the way the program 188 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 5: was done originally in twenty fifteen. 189 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 3: They are changing the bill originally by a Senator Mike Creter, 190 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 3: is a ten year renewal. The amendment that was accepted 191 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 3: this week would make it only two years. 192 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: Wow. 193 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 3: Massive change. And then the third change they really did 194 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 3: that would be different is require a one for one 195 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 3: needle exchange. I think that data is that they get 196 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 3: back about eighty six or eighty nine percent of the 197 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 3: needles they give out. They say they, I mean, it 198 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 3: sounds easy, one for one, but when they explain how 199 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 3: the program works, you kind of understand why they don't 200 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 3: physically count one for one because they're returned a lot 201 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 3: of them in these sharps containers. You know, we have 202 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 3: one for my dad who's diabetics, and my cats, and 203 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 3: you know for someone who actually goes through a container 204 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 3: of used and dangerous needles and physically count everyone is 205 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 3: a danger and so they weigh them and they estimate 206 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 3: based on the weight how many needles are returned that 207 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 3: this would require a one for one. 208 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: Do we know which communities are relying on these programs 209 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: the most? 210 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 2: Is it Indianapolis? 211 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 3: There are six communities that do that. One is Allen 212 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 3: County for Wayne. Yeah, hold on, I'll just grab that 213 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,239 Speaker 3: really quick, Alan Clark, Madison, Mary and Monroe and Tippecanoo. 214 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 2: Okay, all right. 215 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: Finally, let's talk about the new journalists that the point 216 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: Iner Institute has hired as the Indianapolis Public Editor. 217 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 2: What is that? Oh? 218 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, so Pointer is a nationally renault actually globally renowned 219 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 3: journalism outlet and they've hired an Indianapolis public editor there. 220 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 3: Think of it as like a media critic. The idea 221 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 3: behind the position is we're trying to build trust, right, 222 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 3: you know, I think there's been a lot of trusts 223 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 3: that we've lost for journalists, and so they will act 224 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 3: as a conduit for the audience, for readers, for viewers 225 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 3: to understand journalism better, maybe differences between outlets and to 226 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:18,719 Speaker 3: sometimes question how decisions are made by reporters and basically 227 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 3: just increase literacy of journalism, ethics, decision making, and really 228 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 3: try to engage the audience to understand, you know, the 229 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 3: mechanics behind all that. 230 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: Do we know what specific media outlets the public editor 231 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: is going to review? Does that list come out? 232 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 3: Any any outlet is fair game. Now, there are some partners, 233 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 3: including us, who have agreed to run their weekly columns 234 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 3: that they will approach an issue about you know, maybe 235 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 3: one day they'll discuss criminal cut, crime, beverage or you 236 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 3: know whatever. So there are some of us who have 237 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 3: agreed to run there weekly columns. But yeah, it's it's 238 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 3: open to criticized, you know, applaud you know, both ways 239 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 3: anyone in the Indianapolis media market. And it's an eighteen 240 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 3: month pilot program. 241 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 4: So, Nikki, this. 242 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 5: Reminds me decades ago, newspapers would have what they would 243 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 5: call ombudsman's, which were essentially internal employees that would be 244 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 5: a check in balance or kind of do their own 245 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 5: internal critiques of that is this is this basically just 246 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 5: an ombudsman, but for the entire media ecosystem in Indianapolis, 247 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 5: I mean. 248 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 3: Kind of but of course no, you know in that 249 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 3: case that the ombudsman was controlled by Right. They hired Exhibtion, 250 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 3: so it's an outside perspective. Pointer hired them with grant 251 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 3: funding and through their own so they're not employed by 252 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 3: anyone in the media market. 253 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: Just a reminder, we are commentary, not journalism, We're not reporters. 254 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 5: Don't come sniffing around this show with your critiques from 255 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 5: the Pointer Institute. 256 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 2: Nikki, what are you working on right now? 257 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 3: Oh gosh, we're just trying to get through this week. 258 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 3: It's been a rustling. When you get down to the 259 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 3: last weeks of the session, they start moving stuff around 260 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 3: and you know, trying to save language or fixed language. 261 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 3: You know. Next week, I think we've got a story 262 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 3: coming out on some issues involving the penny phase out 263 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 3: and some legislation on that. And I'm working on an 264 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 3: editorial tomorrow about the budget process and sort of what's 265 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 3: the differences between giving tax breaks versus opening the budget, 266 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 3: which is very frowned upon in the legislature. 267 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: She is one of the best from the Indiana Capitol Chronicle. 268 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: Nikki Kelly, thank you so much for being. 269 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 3: Here, Thank you for having me. 270 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: It's ninety three WYBC. It was needed because local. 271 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: Police were not supporting ICE, and now that the police 272 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: are supporting ICE was not needed as much anymore. Shows 273 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: that when you have cooperation with state and local law enforcement, 274 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: everything improves, including the deportations of dangerous criminals. You've got 275 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: Tom Holman who came out and announced this morning that 276 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: there was going to be the draw down of ICE 277 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: officers in Minnesota. 278 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 2: They're pulling out completely. 279 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, this is breaking news. 280 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 5: Tom Holman Borders are just finished a press conference where 281 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 5: he announced and to immigration the immigration enforcement surge in Minnesota. 282 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 4: And I think that. 283 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 5: There's going to be some people that are going to 284 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 5: be upset about this and saying that, you know, we 285 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 5: shouldn't back down, we still need to deport illegal aliens 286 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 5: and all that's true. But I think this is a 287 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 5: great example showing how important the narrative is. And let's 288 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 5: keep in mind too, there's been a lot of polling 289 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 5: on this, and the numbers are pretty clear. Eighty percent 290 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 5: of Americans want to deport all illegal Americans illegal aliens, 291 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 5: but only forty percent of Americans we're supporting the actions 292 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 5: that ICE was taking in Minneapolis. So the problem here 293 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 5: is the American execution. Yeah, they support the mission, but 294 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 5: the execution was poor and people have said this, and 295 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 5: ICE just lost the narrative in Minneapolis. And I think 296 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 5: it was smart of Trump to, you know, Sideline Christinomes 297 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 5: send her back down to the Mexican border. Tom Holman 298 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 5: is just about as good as anybody in the Trump 299 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 5: administration when it comes to talking and dealing with the media. 300 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 5: That's how you get your message out there. That's how 301 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 5: the administration gets the control back for this narrative. And 302 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 5: I think that ICE at this point in time, with 303 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 5: all that's gone on. And look, I'm not saying those 304 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 5: ICE officers were guilty of anything that happened in Minneapolis. 305 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 5: Let's let the investigation prove out and if people need 306 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 5: to go to trial find that's how the legal system works. 307 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 5: But this makes a lot of sense that it's time 308 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 5: to take those resources and move them to other cities 309 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 5: where hopefully we do have cooperation. 310 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 4: From local law enforcement. 311 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 5: I hope we do have cooperation from the governor and 312 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 5: state law enforcement, because we know now that when that's 313 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 5: the case, these raids become much more effective and less 314 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 5: likely to cause problems home and said. 315 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 1: The federal agents are going to continue to draw down 316 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: this week and next week, with many of them returning 317 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: to their home states. But when you do have a 318 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: policy shift like this, it does raise questions about next steps. 319 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: What's going to happen next, Will there be other cities 320 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: that will be targeted. 321 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's nothing that says anything different. I mean, we 322 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 5: know that ICE and Department of Homeland Security got a 323 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 5: major funding boost last year during the Big Beautiful Bill. 324 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 5: We know that the Trump administration is pushing for even 325 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 5: more funding for the Department of Homeland Security and ICE. 326 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 5: We've seen all the ads ICE can't hire enough employees. 327 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 5: They're basically given out free money and up to fifty 328 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 5: thousand dollars signing bonuses when you take a job within ICE. 329 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 5: So I don't think there's any indication here that this 330 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 5: is changing Trump's strategy. From a national perspective, I think 331 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 5: this is just all about what happened in Minneapolis. 332 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: We are a self governing country, and one of the 333 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: ways that that works is that there is to hold 334 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: our elected officials accountable. But you've got a lot of 335 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: media markets that are eroding, and the very institutions that 336 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 1: are keeping the check and balance are going away and 337 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: you had Senator Todd Young. 338 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 2: He was warning about the decline of local news. 339 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: He said, it's not just a business problem, it's a 340 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 1: fundamental threat to American democracy. Interesting Todd Young wants to 341 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: be held accountable by newspaper. 342 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 5: Oh, he doesn't want to. He doesn't want accountability for him. 343 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 5: I'm sure he was talking about everybody else. Yeah, hold 344 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 5: everybody else accountable. But I'm still going to spend trillions 345 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 5: of your taxpayer dollars and waste a whole bunch of 346 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 5: stuff that we don't need to be spending money on. 347 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 5: And look, Todd Young is right in this, But also, 348 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 5: journalism is a broken business model for the most part. 349 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 5: I mean, you've got to produce a product that people 350 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,719 Speaker 5: are willing to pay for in some form or fashion, 351 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 5: and journalism is really taking it on the chin in 352 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 5: two major ways here. Number one were structural changes. We 353 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 5: talked earlier about the decline of newspapers. The vast majority 354 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 5: of journalism thirty years ago was done by newspapers. That 355 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 5: industry got blown up with the Internet. And those are 356 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 5: just challenges that are nearly impossible to overcome. But the 357 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 5: other one absolutely self inflicted by journalists. We all know 358 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 5: that the mainstream media had this massive liberal bent for decades. 359 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 5: It's gotten a little bit better because now we've got 360 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 5: some more conservative voices. But go back twenty or thirty years, 361 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 5: I mean even before Fox News. Fox News really didn't 362 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 5: get a lot of national distribution until the late nineties. 363 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 5: So go back thirty years to the mid nineties, every 364 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 5: single major media news outlet was massively liberal. New York Times, 365 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 5: LA Times, The Washington Post, ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, all 366 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 5: of the news outlets were horrendously liberal. We know that 367 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 5: they carried the water for the Biden administration. Let's remember 368 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 5: what Joe Scarborough from MSNBC said before Biden dropped out 369 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 5: of the race, calling Joe Biden the sharpest Joe Biden 370 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 5: that he has ever seen. These people need to take 371 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 5: some accountability for the disaster that the media industry is 372 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 5: in because part of it was structural, but a massive 373 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,239 Speaker 5: part of it was absolutely self inflicted by every one 374 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 5: of those journalists. 375 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: So Todd Young, he was speaking during a Senate Commerce 376 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: Committee hearing, and it was based on media ownership, and 377 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: he said that local journalism provides the essential information people 378 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: need to make informed decisions. 379 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 2: And at that hearing. 380 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: They were discussing the FCC's thirty nine percent national ownership 381 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: cap on TV stations, which broadcasters say is outdated and 382 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: it limits their abilities to compete with big tech platforms. 383 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: Something that has happened because of that cap is the 384 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: rise of people like Indie Reporter on x and your 385 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: citizen journalists who have taken up the reins well. 386 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 5: And that's the great thing about this country and capitalism 387 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 5: is the market ends up self correcting it and so 388 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 5: you had this massive drop in journalism over the years, 389 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 5: and then you had these startups, just these individual citizen 390 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 5: journalism and Indie Reporter on Twitter, which is a great 391 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 5: follow You should follow them if you're not. They're doing 392 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 5: some wonderful investigations out there. But that is the market 393 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,959 Speaker 5: self correcting itself. At the end of the day, journalism 394 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,959 Speaker 5: needs to put it out a product that people are 395 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 5: willing to pay for, either pay with their attention so 396 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 5: you can sell advertising for it, or pay with their 397 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 5: hard earned dollars. 398 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 4: And for a long time that hasn't been the case. 399 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: So Todd Young needs to realize instead of expanding a 400 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 1: top down federal solution, he should be empowering local ownership 401 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: and the local citizen journalists that are doing, you know, 402 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 1: the work that newspapers used to do. 403 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 2: You're listening to ninety three WIBC Johnny. 404 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: Borrowers took on debt without clear retainment plans, and they 405 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: have unrealistic expectations of their earnings. And now they're got 406 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 1: their hand out saying help help me. And instead of 407 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: some costly forgiveness schemes, maybe, just maybe we need to 408 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: expand vocational training and have a say in what universities 409 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: are offering at such a high price. 410 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 2: This all comes down to the student loan defaults. 411 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: They're rising sharply. Roughly one million borrowers have defaulted on 412 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: their federal loans last year. 413 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 5: This is one hundred percent the federal government's fault, a 414 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 5: little bit from local government, state government too, but completely 415 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 5: the federal government's result. Because sometime in the eighties or nineties, 416 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 5: the federal government decided that every single young person should 417 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 5: have a college degree. 418 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 4: So what are we going to do? 419 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 5: We're going to subsidize those Listen to how stupid this 420 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 5: is when I say it out loud, the federal government 421 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 5: decided to let seventeen year olds sign loan documents upwards 422 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 5: of one hundred thousand dollars with absolutely no oversight, no accountability, 423 00:23:58,359 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 5: no anything. 424 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 4: Of course, we were going to be at this stage. 425 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 5: If you look back thirty or forty years with those 426 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 5: decisions that the federal government made. 427 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 4: Of course, it led us to this exact moment in time. 428 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 4: This is not surprising. 429 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 5: Oh and then, by the way, we spent four years 430 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 5: under the Joe Biden administration where every time he opened 431 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,959 Speaker 5: his mouth, what came out was forgive student loans, forgive 432 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 5: federal student loans. So everybody that had this massive student 433 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 5: loan basically said, well, I'm not paying any more for that, 434 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 5: sweet daddy. Government's going to take care of that for me. 435 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 5: And thank goodness, we got Biden out of there, and 436 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 5: none of that is coming out of Trump's mouth, thank goodness. 437 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 5: But this falls squarely at the feet of the federal government. 438 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 5: They created and said they went into a free marketplace 439 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 5: system and created controls and products and structural changes that 440 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 5: allowed us to get to this place right now. And 441 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 5: of course we know what happened. We know what happened 442 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 5: when the federal government says, hey, hey, don't worry about this, 443 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 5: We'll give you all the money you need, and it's 444 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 5: going to be backed by the federal government. 445 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 4: Well what did university say then? They said, oh, well, 446 00:24:58,600 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 4: this is an easy thing. 447 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 5: We're just go to keep raising prices because the money's free. 448 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 4: It's government money at this point. 449 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 5: It's your tax dollars backing these federal student loans. At 450 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 5: this point, let's just keep Let's build all these gorgeous, 451 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 5: beautiful dormitories and new buildings and hire all these administrators 452 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 5: or our campuses all across the country, and spend all 453 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 5: this sweet, sweet government money that's been coming in lately. 454 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 4: So you've got. 455 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: Millions of people that are delinquent meeting, they're behind on 456 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: their payments, and many are sliding towards default. Nearly ten 457 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 1: percent of federal loan balances are more than ninety days 458 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: past due, and the latest Federal Reserve Bank of New 459 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: York data says that barrow wars are now moving through 460 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: the stages from early delinquency to default and the repayment 461 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: clocks have restarted. So start paying and then you've got 462 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: I know, this was a big discussion at the state House, 463 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: and Delaney was questioning whether you know, universities should be 464 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: offering courses like I think, he said, underwater basket weaving. 465 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: And as taxpayers, yes, we are funding those state universities, 466 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: so we should get a say. 467 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, this has been discussed a lot of the State 468 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 5: House in this current session here, and they're trying to, 469 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 5: you know, create some more structure and guidelines for universities 470 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 5: as to what they're spending their money on. And of 471 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 5: course what you hear from the universities, government should not 472 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 5: be involved in the teaching of these children at these 473 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 5: ed fine educational facilities. 474 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 4: Yeah. 475 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 5: You know what the state government gives Perdue University over 476 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 5: one hundred million dollars your tax dollars, one hundred million 477 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 5: of your tax dollars every single year. Yeah, State universities, 478 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 5: if you're taking our money, we get some say in 479 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 5: how you run your operation. 480 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 2: Speaking of Purdue University, Rep. 481 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: Andrew Ireland put this out that taxpayer funded Purdue University 482 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: is hiring another foreign software engineer on an H one 483 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: B VISA program, And he asked, does anyone believe that 484 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 1: no qualified American can do the job for one hundred 485 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: and forty nine thousand dollars a year. The school has 486 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: guaranteed thousands of computer has graduated thousands of computer science 487 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: students and. 488 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 2: I'm looking at this position. 489 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: It's a lead software engineer for the Department of Materials Engineering, 490 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: And yeah, the pay is between ninety nine and one 491 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty nine thousand dollars a year. 492 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 2: Purdue, you can do better. 493 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, it produce has done a lot of great things. 494 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,199 Speaker 5: In fact, probably been more financially sound than any of 495 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 5: the other state run universities. They haven't had a tuition 496 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 5: increase famously and well over a decade now. 497 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 4: But there are some problems there. 498 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 5: But this is again, this is the result when government 499 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 5: is going to all of a sudden flood the marketplace 500 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 5: and flood these universities with billions and billions of dollars 501 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 5: worth of guaranteed loans. These universities just went on a 502 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 5: crazy spending spree and figured they could do whatever they want. 503 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 5: And the HB one VSA is another aspect of this, 504 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 5: because you can't tell me, you can't tell me that 505 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 5: there's not somebody that is an American citizen currently living 506 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 5: in the state of the Indiana that's not qualified for. 507 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 4: That software job. 508 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: So you've got gen z who are feeling quite nostalgic 509 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: for twenty sixteen. They want to go back in time, 510 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: and it's starting to translate into their fashion demand. A 511 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: lot of gen Z posting on TikTok and Instagram and 512 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: they're posting their hauls. You know, this is when you 513 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: get a lot of It's not like an unboxing video, 514 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: but it's when you open up things that you have 515 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: shopped for their hall and they're recreating outfits from twenty sixteen. 516 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 2: And no doubt they want to go. 517 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: Back to twenty sixteen because for them, that's when life 518 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: was cheaper and things looked more promising. 519 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think there was any I think on 520 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 5: almost all measures, things were functioning better. I mean, this 521 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 5: was a good deal before COVID, and we all know 522 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 5: that COVID broke everybody's brains and a lot of the 523 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 5: supply chains and global systems that we relied upon. That's 524 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 5: been a big problem for a lot of things that 525 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 5: have a lot of the problems that we're dealing with today. 526 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,719 Speaker 5: That's kind of the core root of it all. But 527 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 5: I do love a good try on haul video. You 528 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 5: see that a lot somebody somebody buys a new a 529 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 5: new Chicago Bears or Indianapolis Colts Jersey, or they buy 530 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 5: a whole bunch of swag and they try it all 531 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 5: on and put those videos on TikTok. 532 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 4: It's fun. 533 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 5: It's also keep in mind twenty sixteen we peaked as 534 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 5: a country because that is when the Chicago Cubs won 535 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 5: the World Series, ending a one hundred and eight year drought. 536 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 5: So yes, I am all for going back to twenty sixteen. 537 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: I wonder though, if this trend is going to change 538 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: because a lot of the brands that the gen Z 539 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: were putting on their videos, Abercrombie and Fitch, and I 540 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: do believe that is under the L brand banner, which 541 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: is part of Wes Lexterner's group. 542 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 2: Yes it is, so maybe pick a different company. 543 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, well then it's not nostalgia anymore. But yeah, there 544 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 5: are some brands like Abercrombie and Fitch and Hollister and 545 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 5: others that were problematic over the years that maybe that's 546 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 5: not what we should be going back to. But look, 547 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 5: housing was affordable in twenty sixteen, the job market was 548 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 5: great in twenty sixteen. We didn't have the broken global 549 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 5: supply chain that we have today. Twenty sixteen was a 550 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 5: pretty dark good year. 551 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: So you've got a new trend, and it shows that 552 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: the housing market is not so great. There was a 553 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: new report that came out about housing this morning, wasn't there. 554 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, just this morning. 555 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 5: So the January home sales report came out, and you're 556 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 5: going to see a lot of numbers. You always got 557 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 5: to keep in mind when you see these things, there's 558 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,719 Speaker 5: a lot of data numbers that are thrown around that 559 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 5: really make absolutely no difference to your life. For example, 560 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 5: overall housing sales were down eight percent, and I really 561 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 5: don't care how many houses are being sold. The only 562 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 5: thing you care about is can I afford this house 563 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 5: that I want? Well, the answer to that is still no. 564 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 5: Because the average home sale price also ticked up in 565 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 5: the month of January to three hundred and ninety six 566 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 5: thousand dollars. 567 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 4: So while sales are. 568 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 5: Declining, there's still not very much inventory and the price 569 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 5: of the average house is still going up. 570 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: So you've got IU that is planning to commission and 571 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: install a permanent bronze statue of Bob Knight, and the 572 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: statue is going to be placed in the South Lobby 573 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: alongside the existing nineteen seventy six National Championship team statues. 574 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: Celebrating Knight's legacy at IU. Seems like this is a 575 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: little late to me. Shouldn't this have already been done? 576 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, it does seem like like I was actually kind 577 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 5: of surprised when I saw this. 578 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 4: I was like, Oh, Bob Knight doesn't have a statue. 579 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 4: I thought I would have just assumed he would have 580 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 4: had a statute. 581 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 2: I agree with it. It's the right kind of tradition. 582 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: Tradition you want to celebrate his achievement and his excellence. 583 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 2: But it seems like, uh, maybe they're coming a little. 584 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 4: Late with this. And I think what happened here is 585 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 4: so you certainly you can't. 586 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 5: It doesn't make sense to build a statue when the 587 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 5: guy is still coaching there, so you gotta wait for 588 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 5: him to leave. 589 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 4: So that's number one. 590 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 5: And then things were pretty messy when Bob Knight left IU, 591 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 5: and there was some animosity and a broken relationship there. 592 00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 5: And I think it's taken a lot of time, and 593 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 5: with Knight's passing in the last couple of years, I 594 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 5: think that's probably where we've seen the healing of all 595 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 5: the wounds, and now it's time to build the statue. 596 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 5: I guess they better start saving now because in my mind, 597 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 5: when you win a national championship, you get a statue 598 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 5: outside the stadium. That's the way they've done it at 599 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 5: Notre Dame. There's five coaches statues outside of the Notre 600 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 5: Dame football stadium. You've got Rockney, leahy Ara Parsigian, Dan Devine, 601 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 5: and Lou Holtz. So yes, you're gonna build a statue 602 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 5: to Bob Knight, and better start saving your pennies now 603 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 5: because eventually Kirk Signetti deserves a statue outside of that 604 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 5: football stead Well. 605 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,479 Speaker 1: It does seem like they're trying to reform maybe his 606 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: legacy because not only that, but there's been some legislative 607 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: moves to rename streets and rhodes in his honor. 608 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 5: Again, it was a broken relationship when Bob Knight left, 609 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 5: and everybody knows Bob Knight still has a ton of 610 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 5: fans here, but it was messy when he left there. 611 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 5: Time heals all wounds and eventually what we're seeing now 612 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 5: with this statue and maybe renaming a part of. 613 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 4: The stadium right the winning wreck. Yeah, I mean, it 614 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 4: just makes sense. He was a legend. 615 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 5: He he Bob Knight is on the Mount Rushmore for 616 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 5: college basketball coaches. He deserves to have a portion of 617 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 5: that Assembly Hall named after him, and he certainly deserves 618 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 5: a statue outside of that stadium. 619 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: The statue is going to be designed and built by 620 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: Handlin Studios, and details on the timeline going to be 621 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: announced later. Funding is coming from a private donor, by 622 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: the way, and more on the IU front. Yeah please, 623 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: somebody is betting already that Fernando Mendoza is going to 624 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 1: be the MVP in his rookie year in the NFL. 625 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 5: Yes, so you can make these are called futures bets. 626 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 5: So you can already bet on who you think will 627 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 5: win the Super Bowl next year, even though we just 628 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 5: finished the Super Bowl. And yes, you can bet on 629 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 5: who will win MVP. A gutsy bet. I think it's 630 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 5: a thousand dollars bet, and if he ends up hitting 631 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 5: it, it pays off over two hundred thousand dollars. One hundred 632 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 5: dollars bets one hundred dollars bet that'll pay off over 633 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 5: two hundred thousand dollars. 634 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 4: But that means it's it's almost impossible that it's that 635 00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 4: it's going to happen. 636 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 5: So there has never been a rookie quarterback in the 637 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 5: history of the NFL that has ever won the MVP. Now, 638 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 5: maybe Fernanda Mendoza can do it. Hey, I'd love to 639 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 5: see it. I'd be the first one to sit up 640 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,879 Speaker 5: there and celebrate. But that is that's that's what they 641 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 5: call in the betting world, a. 642 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 2: Donation A long. 643 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 5: I was gonna say long shot, but your line of 644 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 5: donation was much better. 645 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 4: Yes, that's what they call a donation to DraftKings. 646 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 2: You're listening to ninety three w IBC. 647 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 4: Good morning. 648 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: An ethics question revolving Jennifer Ruth Green. No, another one, 649 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 1: not the one from last year. 650 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 2: This is new. 651 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: There was enough complaint that was filed that alleges she 652 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: used campaign funds to pay for legal bills related to 653 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: the ethics investigation. Yeah, so an ethics complaint revolving an 654 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: ethics investigation. 655 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 5: So so keep in mind last summer, Jennifer Ruth Green, 656 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 5: it was, you know, under investigation by the Inspector General. 657 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 5: Of course, she was a cabinet secretary in Mike Brawn's administration. 658 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 4: She ended up with an. 659 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 5: Ethics settlement where she admitted to violating political activity and 660 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 5: misuse of state property rules and agreed to pay a 661 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 5: ten thousand dollars fine. She also resigned, and now we're 662 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 5: finding out that allegedly she may have used campaign contributions 663 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 5: to pay for her legal bills associated with settling her 664 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 5: last ethics five. 665 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, so using campaign contributions for something other than political 666 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: or campaign related expenses, like paying legal bills for personal 667 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,240 Speaker 1: or unrelated matters, that could. 668 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 2: Be a violation of state and federal laws. 669 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 1: And allegations like this could lead to more ethics penalties 670 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: or legal consequences. These are under review, which means that 671 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: this story will continue to evolve and it's not just 672 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: a civil ethics issue at this point. 673 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 5: Yeah, there could be potential criminal charge who is associated 674 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 5: with this, But keep in mind Jennifer Ruth Green, this 675 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 5: is who the Republican said was the next rising star 676 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:07,839 Speaker 5: in this state. 677 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 3: Now. 678 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 5: She lost in the house race one District one house 679 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 5: race in twenty twenty four to frankmin Van. She only 680 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 5: lost by a couple of points. But then she was 681 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 5: given that cushy cabinet secretary job in Mike Brown's administration 682 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 5: paid her about two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year. 683 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 5: She lasts about six months in that job before she 684 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 5: ends up settling the ethics issue that she had and 685 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 5: resigning for that role, and then she announces that she's 686 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 5: gonna run again in the first district. We have the 687 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 5: entire redistricting conversation that happened in this state for what 688 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 5: seemed like forever. And then when redistricting didn't happen, she 689 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 5: decided that she was going to drop out of that 690 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,359 Speaker 5: race because she knew she couldn't win it. But again, 691 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,359 Speaker 5: this goes back to the redistricting conversation. Jennifer Ruth Green, 692 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 5: according to the Indiana Republican Party, was the next rising 693 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 5: star in this state, and they were willing to throw 694 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 5: out their entire set of right and wrong and redistrict 695 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 5: the entire state of Indiana before the census came out 696 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 5: mid census redistricting, and they were willing to do all 697 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 5: of that so they could get more seats and give 698 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,720 Speaker 5: them to people just like Jennifer Ruth Green, who settled 699 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 5: an ethics investigation and is now embroiled at another one. 700 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:17,760 Speaker 2: I love this next story. 701 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: We're going to classify this one under the Best Audio 702 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: of the Day file. This is just an uplifting story 703 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 1: to maybe put a smile on your face. It's from 704 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: the cuteness overload Louisville police officers. They were looking for 705 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 1: a missing three year old boy when a dog came 706 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: out of nowhere, jumped and barked, and eventually led them 707 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 1: directly to the location where the young boy was rescued 708 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: safe and sound. 709 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 3: It is law. 710 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 6: It comes via police bodycam footage from Louisville last month. 711 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 6: A missing three year old child. More than a half 712 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 6: dozen officers on the search. They sent up a helicopter 713 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 6: but had no luck until this happened. 714 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 2: There's a dog, where's it, Let's go. 715 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,320 Speaker 6: That's officer Josh Thompson responding to a dog that seemed 716 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 6: to have something important to say and. 717 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 4: Led me all the way back to the backyard. 718 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 2: And at that point I'm thinking, okay. 719 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: The kid's in the backyard, And sure enough, the dog 720 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: went right to the back bumper. 721 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 4: Check the rear ear goes the back bumper. 722 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 2: I just sat there. 723 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,280 Speaker 6: He he's after a quick lesson in carlist. 724 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 2: I know they've ever seen a half your kid in 725 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 2: my life. He jumped out of car, bear, huged my 726 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 2: neck and would let go. 727 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 4: Good job, buddy. 728 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 6: The dog had cracked the case. 729 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 2: I don't know where the dog came from, but it 730 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 2: was a blessing from God that day. 731 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: I think that that shows the awareness of that police 732 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,400 Speaker 1: officer to pay attention to his surroundings. That dog was 733 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: trying to get his attention and was successful. It's never 734 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: a cap though, is it. It's always a dog that 735 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 1: comes to the rest of. 736 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 5: The moving that dogs are the superior pet for humans obviously. 737 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 4: I mean, this is just straight out of Lassie. What's 738 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:03,240 Speaker 4: that boy? Huh? 739 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 5: What do you try to tell me? Well, he's trapped 740 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 5: in the well, all right, show me the way. But 741 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 5: I mean when I first saw this video, my first assumption, Oh, 742 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 5: this is ai. 743 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,800 Speaker 4: This is absolutely fake. No, that was police bodycam footage. 744 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 5: This is like a story that almost seems too scripted 745 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 5: to believe. It's right out of Lassie and I absolutely 746 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 5: loved it. And the other factor in this too is that, 747 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 5: like you just said, smart on that police officer to 748 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 5: recognize that that dog wasn't just randomly barking, just trying 749 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 5: to get the police officers attention and show. 750 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 4: Him to where this missing kid was. 751 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 2: You're listening to ninety three WIBC 752 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:37,359 Speaker 1: Kim