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Speaker 1: I'm not a psychiatrist. I do think there is a

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Speaker 1: habitual element to it, not necessarily from what is being

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Speaker 1: fed to you within the content, but how you manage

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Speaker 1: your daily life. There is a landmark trial that's underway

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Speaker 1: in Los Angeles and plaintiffs are suing social media companies

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Speaker 1: including Meta, Instagram and also YouTube, and the plaintiffs are

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Speaker 1: saying that they're designed to be addictive. Now, TikTok and

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Speaker 1: Snap have already settled similar cases to this, but this

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Speaker 1: case could influence thousands of other lawsuits in the future.

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Speaker 1: The central plaintiff in this case is a twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: year old and they're saying that the Instagram has made

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Speaker 1: them addicted to social media. You've got the Instagram boss.

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Speaker 1: He testified and he says he doesn't believe that people

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Speaker 1: can be clinically addicted to social media platforms, and there

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Speaker 1: is a difference between a clinical addiction and problematic use.

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Speaker 1: I hate to say it, I kind of agree with

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Speaker 1: the CEO of Instagram on this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate to be on the side of social

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Speaker 2: media companies on this because we know they've done some

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Speaker 2: nasty stuff COVID misinformation and COVID restriction of information, probably

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Speaker 2: one of the more egregious things that they've done in

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Speaker 2: the last decade or so. But I'm with you. It

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Speaker 2: does kind of pain. You give you the willies a

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Speaker 2: little bit to sit here and say, yes, I have

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Speaker 2: to agree with Meta, Yes I have to agree with

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Speaker 2: Instagram about what we just talked about with voter ID.

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Speaker 2: This comes down to personal responsibility. You have a responsibility

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Speaker 2: to use whatever tools are out there in the marketplace

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Speaker 2: in a safe and normal manner, and if you can't

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Speaker 2: use them responsibly, then that's on you. That's not necessarily

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Speaker 2: on the social media company. If you can't come up

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Speaker 2: with your documents to be able to get an ID

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Speaker 2: to vote, that's on you. That's not the responsibility of

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Speaker 2: the government.

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Speaker 1: Instead of rushing to redefine every tech habit as addiction,

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Speaker 1: we need to respect that personal responsibility and also also

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Speaker 1: parental oversight needs to come into play here.

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Speaker 2: Right. These are not easy things to bring into your home,

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Speaker 2: especially for your kids. You have to go out and

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Speaker 2: buy a smartphone for your child, activate it with a

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Speaker 2: cellular service. That's going to cost you what one thousand

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Speaker 2: dollars for an iPhone. You're to be paying twenty or

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Speaker 2: thirty or forty bucks a month for an additional line

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Speaker 2: on your cell phone bill. And then what all of

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Speaker 2: these phones have software in there where you can use

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Speaker 2: parental controls? How many parents are actually using them? But

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Speaker 2: all of the tools are in place for parents to

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Speaker 2: do a better job in parenting, and you can't look

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Speaker 2: to the government, and you can't look to the court

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Speaker 2: system when the failure is on you as a parent

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Speaker 2: or you as an individual.

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Speaker 1: What this case does, depending on how it lands, it

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Speaker 1: could potentially open the door for endless litigation on topics

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Speaker 1: like this, and it does kind of chill innovation and

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Speaker 1: it could slow these things down. But this is what

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Speaker 1: parents are facing now as they're raising the next generation