Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast. Welcome to another episode of
Speaker 1: the Prime Second Podcast. I'm help with the evening. My
Speaker 1: name is Mike with me, I have Spike? What up?
Speaker 1: I got Ken? Hello? And I can't even say special guests.
Speaker 1: We just got Nick. What's up? Nick? What's going on?
Speaker 1: I know this is how y'all tree family?
Speaker 2: I guess so full disclosure, this was a last minute pivot.
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about the Oscar noms for that's what
Speaker 2: they say, noms. I don't know if y'all do that.
Speaker 1: I did not. Yeah, put y'all along, Bro, putting y'all along.
Speaker 2: The Oscars will be aired on Sunday, March fifteenth at
Speaker 2: seven pm. It will be hosted by Conan O'Brien and Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're and actually this is interesting. It's airing on ABC
Speaker 2: and streaming on Hulu. I thought that was interesting. But
Speaker 2: we're gonna be talking about the nominations this year and
Speaker 2: kind of giving our thoughts about these categories. Now, I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna go through every category, just the ones that
Speaker 2: I think are cool.
Speaker 1: Like, we're not talking about who did the best music
Speaker 1: because who cares? Bro, and the ones don't matter. Congrats
Speaker 1: to you for doing music, but no, we're not. We're
Speaker 1: not doing this.
Speaker 2: So the first one they got on the list is
Speaker 2: Best Picture. And I'll tell you what they got here.
Speaker 2: They got Pogonia F One, Frankenstein, ham Knett, Marty Supreme,
Speaker 2: One Battle after another, The Secret Agent, Sentimental Value, Sinners.
Speaker 1: And Train Dreams. So what y'all got for predictions? For
Speaker 1: this one? I think is gonna win. Yeah, Okay. I
Speaker 1: hate the.
Speaker 3: Fact that they've extended how many Best Picture noms can
Speaker 3: get because that's the.
Speaker 1: Hell of categories. I think Best Picture.
Speaker 3: Based off of the chatter, and I'm seeing it's between
Speaker 3: senators and one bout out another. They're kind of give
Speaker 3: it to Paul Thomas Anderson though, even though I think
Speaker 3: Sinners should get it because it was like a what
Speaker 3: the fuck kind of It felt like it felt like
Speaker 3: it's the get Out of this Year, where it's just
Speaker 3: like a movie that no one really thought was going
Speaker 3: to do anything and then it just blew up.
Speaker 1: Oh I disagree with y'a on that one.
Speaker 4: I think people in that high expectations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it had like this high exp
Speaker 2: not Oscar nomb That's what I mean expectations. But when
Speaker 2: you say a movie that people didn't think we're going
Speaker 2: to do anything. I think that the second the trailer dropped,
Speaker 2: I think the majority of film people were like, Oh,
Speaker 2: we got.
Speaker 1: To go see this. This is gonna be amazing, you know,
Speaker 1: whereas get Out.
Speaker 2: If you remember uh Nick, when when the trailer for
Speaker 2: get Out came out, there was like five of us
Speaker 2: that were like, Oh, get Out's gonna be great.
Speaker 1: Everyone else was like this is gonna be stupid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get you.
Speaker 3: I guess I was just going off of the fact
Speaker 3: of this is like Ryan Kouegler's first since like Fruitville,
Speaker 3: it was like his first, Like I'm putting them like
Speaker 3: this is my movie, like this is my creativity, Like
Speaker 3: it was a risk because the way they talk about
Speaker 3: like how you even did the deal and everything felt like
Speaker 3: it was like this is a big risk for the
Speaker 3: studio and it hit. But but I still think even
Speaker 3: with all that being said, I think one batter after
Speaker 3: another is gonna win.
Speaker 2: I can see Centers taking it, but it'll probably be
Speaker 2: one battle after another. I do wonder if the Academy
Speaker 2: is going to be like, shit, we better give it
Speaker 2: to them, because like, hey, it's gonna be one of
Speaker 2: the other.
Speaker 3: To me, it's like either Best Director or Best Picture
Speaker 3: is going to want Like they're not going to give
Speaker 3: both of them. Like I'll be shocked that like Sinners
Speaker 3: wins both of those categories or one nothing.
Speaker 1: I feel you, I feel you, all right. It feels
Speaker 1: like no, I was saying.
Speaker 5: It feels like the momentum late has been with one
Speaker 5: battle after another. I'm hopeful in thinking that somehow Centers
Speaker 5: may pull it off, even if it's for the reasons
Speaker 5: you said, Mike, to get a blast ball something.
Speaker 4: I think they might even try to do a Marty
Speaker 4: Supreme thing with all attraction that is, No, not that movie.
Speaker 1: Is that movie ain't nowhere near either one of those
Speaker 1: two movies. You know it's not.
Speaker 4: I agree with you with that, the hype that has
Speaker 4: been getting I wouldn't be shocked if they wanted to
Speaker 4: give Timothy Shallow made his moment.
Speaker 2: Well, let's get to that. So the next category is
Speaker 2: performance by an actor in a leading role. We have
Speaker 2: Timothy Shala made for Marty Supreme. We have Leo for
Speaker 2: one Battle after another. We have Ethan Hawf for Blue Moon.
Speaker 2: We got Michael b for Sinners, and we got Wagner
Speaker 2: Mora for the secret Agent. So this is where I
Speaker 2: think they'll give Timothy shallow ma his moment.
Speaker 1: This agreed.
Speaker 3: I'm shocked to say that, Mike, because that litt that's
Speaker 3: the hardest. That's one of the most like hardest lists
Speaker 3: that I've seen as far as like nominations, Like you
Speaker 3: can pick a lot of those guys and make a case.
Speaker 3: But I see Leo. I think it's usually with best actors,
Speaker 3: like the last motherfucker you think, And I think Leo
Speaker 3: will get this even though because like it's too much
Speaker 3: like I think the Academy be like, we can't choose
Speaker 3: sides between Timothy Shadowy.
Speaker 1: Or or Michael B.
Speaker 3: Jordan, So let's just give Leo another Oscar. He should
Speaker 3: have got two by now anyway.
Speaker 4: Okay, I could see that thinking, Nick, But I also
Speaker 4: think that they kind of reward you for the difficulty
Speaker 4: most of the times, and when you get somebody that's
Speaker 4: playing three roles in one film, it would be hypocritical
Speaker 4: for them to ignore that.
Speaker 3: I don't think people, I don't eve think people acknowledge
Speaker 3: that he did three roles. They just see one, Nigga.
Speaker 1: It's three.
Speaker 4: Breaking out Vampire version like Beola Davis started this narrative
Speaker 4: and said he played stack Smoke and the vampire version.
Speaker 1: Knock it off.
Speaker 4: Actors are saying this, how many Spike, how many said
Speaker 4: it's called traction. Though everybody, all the Hollywood circles was saying, well,
Speaker 4: he really did play three roles in this movie.
Speaker 1: He played three times.
Speaker 3: He's not played fire sack for about five minutes anything.
Speaker 2: I think this is between Timothy, Charla May and Leo
Speaker 2: and I think they're gonna give it to Timothy Shallaman.
Speaker 5: I think Timothy's gonna win this, and that's all they've
Speaker 5: been talking about. And I think recency bias is going
Speaker 5: to get him. Playing two roles not three should reward them.
Speaker 5: But nah, I think it's going to be.
Speaker 3: Tim I'm just shocked that this may be the last
Speaker 3: nomination Michael B.
Speaker 1: Jordan gets as a Best Actor. Why you say that?
Speaker 1: Because I just don't see him being doing better than
Speaker 1: this like this, Yeah, like what more can he do?
Speaker 1: I know?
Speaker 3: I mean, you can always you can make the case
Speaker 3: like Denzel it took him a while to get his
Speaker 3: and so so did other actors, black actors and stuff.
Speaker 3: But I you like you like I think one of
Speaker 3: y'all mentioned the difficulty of him. He played two characters
Speaker 3: very well and it was one of the most highest
Speaker 3: grossing movies domestically of the year.
Speaker 1: You will give it if you give it to Timothy
Speaker 1: Chalome over him, it's like, bro, what else?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: I like Michael B.
Speaker 3: Jordan, but I don't think he's gonna do a better
Speaker 3: performance moving forward than this.
Speaker 4: Probably the movie of Mike be Jordan's career.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably the movie I thought.
Speaker 3: I thought Creed Won was that, but I think this
Speaker 3: is better. Like this shows that he's like a really
Speaker 3: good actor.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: I do not agree that this is will you Knock
Speaker 2: It Off? I do not agree that this is the
Speaker 2: movie of his career.
Speaker 1: Michael B.
Speaker 2: Jordan's still very young. I could one hundred percent see
Speaker 2: Michael B. Jordan doing something after this where it's like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, I did not know he had that in him.
Speaker 2: I think The Centers is an amazing film, but I
Speaker 2: think at this point it's getting hyped to the point
Speaker 2: where people are just like, there's nothing in the universe
Speaker 2: that can ever be better than this movie, And I
Speaker 2: don't think that's the case at all.
Speaker 1: I do think that if you gave mine.
Speaker 2: I think that the reason he could lose has nothing
Speaker 2: to do with his performance. He gave an amazing performance,
Speaker 2: but he's up against someone that he is a Hollywood darling,
Speaker 2: and Timothy Chalomay is a good looking, well spoken, charismatic
Speaker 2: little white boy.
Speaker 1: See I looking all right?
Speaker 2: He's a Hollywood darling right now.
Speaker 1: And that's all I'm saying. I do agree with y'all.
Speaker 1: Michael B.
Speaker 2: Jordan, in my opinion, should get it because I think
Speaker 2: he did an amazing job. I don't think Timothy Shallo
Speaker 2: May did that amazing of a job where he shouldn't
Speaker 2: fortake Michael B.
Speaker 5: And on top of that, Mike, they win both ways
Speaker 5: because Timothy Chalomy is also Jewish, so they get another one.
Speaker 5: Black guys and Jewish guy's like, hey, we can't lose
Speaker 5: with this one.
Speaker 2: I ain't touching that is anything wrong?
Speaker 1: You got it? Can whatever you say. It's either way
Speaker 1: a minority one, hey man.
Speaker 2: The next category is interesting performance by an actor in
Speaker 2: a supporting role. Actually, before I move on, did anybody
Speaker 2: see Blue Moon with Ethan Hawk?
Speaker 1: Because I just saw the trailer for it. It's like
Speaker 1: a period piece old times.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, no, no, I can give a fun I'm cool
Speaker 2: on that. Then all right, it's not like a Spike
Speaker 2: ass movie though, all right, performance by an actor in
Speaker 2: a supporting role. So for this one, we got Benicio
Speaker 2: del Toro in one Battle after another. We got Jacob
Speaker 2: Elordi and Frankenstein. We got my man, my motherfucking man,
Speaker 2: Delroy Lindo in Sinners.
Speaker 1: We also have.
Speaker 2: Sean Penn for one Battle after another, and we got
Speaker 2: Stelling scars Guard for sentimental value. And that's the only
Speaker 2: one out of this whole list that I'm not familiar with.
Speaker 2: But who do y'all think? Who do y'all think it's
Speaker 2: this one?
Speaker 3: Let me ask you if y'all this was Frankenstein that
Speaker 3: good that he should have been nominated.
Speaker 1: I think he did an amazing job. Yes, I think
Speaker 1: he gonna win it.
Speaker 3: Then his profiles begetting, his profile's be getting up there,
Speaker 3: and he got this Valentine's Day movie with Margot Robbie
Speaker 3: coming out that I.
Speaker 1: Think is gonna be a hit. Jacob Belordi, the guy
Speaker 1: from Euphoria, Nate Nate from You Nate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see his profile getting like a lot more attention,
Speaker 3: and usually like to your point, Mike. With these oscars,
Speaker 3: they do try to at least capitalize either on like
Speaker 3: somebody who has legacy and we haven't given him an award,
Speaker 3: or someone who's up and coming so we can get
Speaker 3: it out the way early. And I think he's one
Speaker 3: in that, like the Timothy Shana may up and come in.
Speaker 3: Let's give him it now so you don't have to
Speaker 3: worry about it later. Even though I desperately want Delroy
Speaker 3: to get his flowers while he's still here, I think
Speaker 3: he's he should have got one. He should have got
Speaker 3: a supporting oscar for the Five Bloods.
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree, one hundred percent. He should have absolutely
Speaker 2: got one for Five Bloods. But I think that if
Speaker 2: if Jacoberlori wins for Frankistan, I think it'll be a
Speaker 2: pretty big upset.
Speaker 1: I think it'll be del Roy.
Speaker 4: I think they're gonna give it to Benicio del Tour
Speaker 4: or Seanpainn. I think del to Oh yeah, Sean Payn
Speaker 4: could get it too, but I think Benicio del Toro
Speaker 4: go win.
Speaker 1: But between the two, which one did you enjoy the
Speaker 1: character most in that movie?
Speaker 4: I enjoyed, out of the whole list of del Roy
Speaker 4: the most.
Speaker 1: But I think Benice, uh Venice and Champagne. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Between them two.
Speaker 4: Benicio, MM, I like, like, just be I'm sorry, I
Speaker 4: totally overtalked you go ahead, and I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I enjoy his character more.
Speaker 2: M I think Sean Penn did did a bang up
Speaker 2: job playing a white racist.
Speaker 1: I believe. I believe every single bit of him.
Speaker 3: So he and I feel like he had to get
Speaker 3: into a certain character too, Like his mannerisms, the way
Speaker 3: he did his hair, it was just like he lived
Speaker 3: in that character. Yes, Benicio is just a cool motherfucker,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like, I mean not to
Speaker 3: say he didn't act.
Speaker 1: Well, it was just like he was. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: seen him do that character. I feel like in other roles.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say the same thing. I feel like
Speaker 1: I've seen Benicio do that.
Speaker 2: I've not seen Sean Penn, who is very much the
Speaker 2: opposite of that character.
Speaker 1: I've not seen Sean Penn do that. So if anybody on.
Speaker 2: This list beats out Delroy, I feel like I would
Speaker 2: accept it from Sean Penn. Again, I did not see
Speaker 2: sentimental value, so I don't know anything about that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm going with Sean Penn. Personally, I did George
Speaker 6: del Roy. It would be cool to see Delroy win bute, chearampagne,
Speaker 6: boughted it.
Speaker 1: Man did he really did? He really did?
Speaker 6: Like from the Walk from that that weird grunting and
Speaker 6: like everything.
Speaker 1: Man, he just was.
Speaker 6: He just seemed uncomfortable, like, yeah, you would have thought
Speaker 6: he was the start of the film. You would have
Speaker 6: thought he was the star.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: I agree, I agree, I want del Roy, but I
Speaker 2: would accept Sean Penn. All right, let's move on to
Speaker 2: the next category. We have performance by an actress in
Speaker 2: a leading role. We have uh Teana Taylor for the Rip,
Speaker 2: and we have.
Speaker 1: All because we just talked about it as well.
Speaker 2: We got Jesse Buckley in Hamnett, which I have not seen.
Speaker 2: If I had legs, I'd kick you. We got Kate
Speaker 2: Hudson in Songs Sung Blue, Renate rihanns Fay for sentimental value,
Speaker 2: and we got Emma Stone for Bogonia. So this is
Speaker 2: this is a hard one because I've seen I've only
Speaker 2: seen two of these films, and for both of those films,
Speaker 2: I think the women gave an amazing performance.
Speaker 1: So what say y'all, I'm.
Speaker 6: Going with the stone. Uh Kate Kate Hudson was good
Speaker 6: and sing song blue. She was really good in that.
Speaker 6: I don't know if y'all seen that.
Speaker 1: Hell now I'm gonna see that ship.
Speaker 6: It's it's actually on TV right now. I think it's
Speaker 6: on Prime or something like that. But yeah, it was
Speaker 6: a screen under seen for me, and I was like,
Speaker 6: I don't want to see this, but then when I
Speaker 6: saw it, it's actually actually okay. But I definitely go
Speaker 6: in the stone witha so here stone.
Speaker 1: Anybody else I ain't see. Yeah, I ain't even see.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen a majority of these. But the way
Speaker 3: they're talking about handing it, I think that motherfucker gonna
Speaker 3: get it.
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna do. It's go sweet whatever they say.
Speaker 1: Hand that maybe the best movie of the year. Like damn,
Speaker 1: Like people fuck with that movie for some reason. It's
Speaker 1: a love story and people love love stories. Yeah, it's yeah,
Speaker 1: people like that kind of shit. I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: I have no desire. I did see If I have legs,
Speaker 1: I kick you.
Speaker 2: I saw that, like the movie like that, But I
Speaker 2: think rose Burn always kills.
Speaker 1: It and this was no different. I think she killed.
Speaker 1: What did you say? I said, yeah, she was good.
Speaker 6: I saw that one too, So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for me personally, it would be it would be
Speaker 2: between Rose Byrne and Emma Stone. Emma Stone is quickly
Speaker 2: becoming the woman at this point. A couple more categories here.
Speaker 2: We got performance by an actress in a supporting role.
Speaker 2: We have l Fanning. I guess i'ma have to see
Speaker 2: sentimental value because God damn its in everything. Uh. We
Speaker 2: got inga IBB's daughter Lilius in sentimental value. We got
Speaker 2: Amy Madigan for Weapons one me Masoku for Sinners. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure who that is.
Speaker 3: That's the Room No, no, no, that's the Voodoo, the woman
Speaker 3: from the Poul Wolverine, the black Woman.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay. And then now this is not a joke.
Speaker 1: Tianna Taylor one battle after another. So who's taking this one, y'all?
Speaker 1: Definitely not. She wanted to go to go for them.
Speaker 1: That's how.
Speaker 4: They said. It's usually a precursor for who's gonna win.
Speaker 4: She's gonna win, She's not gonna I think they're gonna give.
Speaker 1: It to I think they're gonna I think it's between.
Speaker 3: The Woman from Sinners and Uh, me, Yeah, I think
Speaker 3: with me. I think I forgot who else you mentioned,
Speaker 3: But I think it's it's it's a two women race,
Speaker 3: and that I think the nominations most I hate. I
Speaker 3: feel like when people are nominated twice in a category
Speaker 3: for the same movie, it.
Speaker 1: Kind of cancels them out.
Speaker 3: So I think it's gonna be I'll put my stock
Speaker 3: on the woman from Sinners, who is.
Speaker 1: The person from Weapons that the Yeah, she needs to win.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're not gonna keep the most memorable performance.
Speaker 7: So horror movies are still very, very hard to win
Speaker 7: stuff like this, So I don't I don't see her winning.
Speaker 1: But she did she like? Did you like her performance?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I thought she was great.
Speaker 2: I thought she was fucking great. But was it an
Speaker 2: Oscar worthy performance? That's what I was saying, Like it
Speaker 2: was a really good movie.
Speaker 6: Yeah, are they doing like a.
Speaker 1: I wish they wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't because it always we don't need it. Like
Speaker 2: I wish Hollywood would get in the habit of one
Speaker 2: and done films. Not everything needs to be a franchise.
Speaker 2: A lot of times when you start making things franchises,
Speaker 2: it turns into a fucking joke, like, why do we.
Speaker 1: Need a backstory for Gladys? She was a wing?
Speaker 6: Random?
Speaker 1: It was random though, That's what made it so good.
Speaker 1: It's like, just leave it alone.
Speaker 2: It's like people that still my mom still wants a
Speaker 2: goddamn sequel to get out and I'm like, no.
Speaker 1: You don't need it. It's perfect as a one and
Speaker 1: done film. But what do I know?
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Speaker 1: Now, let's get back to the show.
Speaker 2: Now, this is an interesting one. We're gonna go ahead
Speaker 2: and skip all the way down. Jalen's gonna get mad.
Speaker 2: I don't really fel like we need to talk about
Speaker 2: animated films and we didn't. I think Ken's probably the
Speaker 2: only one that saw half of this shit. Maybe Nick,
Speaker 2: But let's go ahead and jump down to directing.
Speaker 1: Achievement.
Speaker 2: In directing, we have Chloe Zau for Hamnet. Now that's
Speaker 2: the only reason I want to see the movie because
Speaker 2: I didn't realize she did it.
Speaker 1: I think Steven Spielberg produced it.
Speaker 3: And she did it like it's it's like a yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a again.
Speaker 1: I do want to watch it now because it's getting
Speaker 1: gassed up.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll go ahead and watch it just because, I mean,
Speaker 2: I thought Past Lives was fucking brilliant, so I wouldn't
Speaker 2: mind seeing that. But so, yeah, So we got Chloe
Speaker 2: Zoo for Hamnet, we got Josh Safti for Marty Supreme.
Speaker 2: We got Paul Thomas Anderson for One Battle after another.
Speaker 2: We got Joaquin Treer for Sentimental Value. We got Ryan
Speaker 2: Krugler for Sinners. So this is this is a stacked
Speaker 2: lineup outside of Jhein, who I just don't know. Maybe
Speaker 2: he's amazing. Maybe Ciniment of Value is incredible. I haven't
Speaker 2: seen it, but this is a stacked This is a
Speaker 2: stacked lineup, y'all. So who you think is gonna take it?
Speaker 3: I found out that in one hundred years there hasn't
Speaker 3: been a black director who won this award. YEP, if
Speaker 3: they overskip ever, it's like getting the last Year and
Speaker 3: I guess since the Oscars, if they over skip Ryan
Speaker 3: Coogler for Paul Thomas Anderson because I think it's just
Speaker 3: between those two. As much as I think Chloe's Au
Speaker 3: is a great director and it's getting a lot of hype,
Speaker 3: I feel like it's just it's between Paul Thomas Anderson
Speaker 3: and Ryan Coogler. I think Ryan Kueger has to win
Speaker 3: this because it's his baby.
Speaker 1: He wrote directed it.
Speaker 3: I know you can say the same thing about Pta,
Speaker 3: but this was much a much more gamble like One
Speaker 3: About after Another is one of PTA's best films. It's
Speaker 3: not his best film. You could argue Centers is Ryan
Speaker 3: Coogler's best because like everything else is like based off
Speaker 3: comic books and other stuff, like, Yeah, this has to
Speaker 3: be him.
Speaker 1: Anybody disagree with that? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think there were ever a time for a black
Speaker 4: director to win one, it would be with this film
Speaker 4: and Ryan Coogler, with his resume like that, this is
Speaker 4: the time. Even if it's they feel like they giving
Speaker 4: it to him, just because I still feel like he's
Speaker 4: with his body of work in this movie, it's.
Speaker 1: Time and he should win it. How many years it's been,
Speaker 1: Nick Honey.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying this and this is the I think
Speaker 3: this is the hundredth anniversary of the Oscars. This is
Speaker 3: the last time it's gonna be on ABC too. It's
Speaker 3: going to YouTube after this if they go one hundred
Speaker 3: and one years. Like to me, it's like, bro, fuck
Speaker 3: the Oscars. They don't give a fuck about none of
Speaker 3: the ship be great. What more can you ask the
Speaker 3: black director to due to win an oscar in this.
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm Yeah. The conversation around around one battle after another,
Speaker 5: which is sort of crazy to me. The amount of
Speaker 5: super hype that movie is. I don't understand it, you know.
Speaker 9: I think I think it's gonna be one hundred and
Speaker 9: one year, isn't it.
Speaker 3: They can take out the black spots out. If Centers
Speaker 3: doesn't win anything, it has to win Best Director.
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with that one.
Speaker 2: I think that's the that's the that's the award for
Speaker 2: this movie to win. If it does not win for
Speaker 2: Best Director, then I think Hollywood is going to burn hmm.
Speaker 2: Not obviously, not literally, but I think that are going
Speaker 2: to be so upset that they're gonna be like, Nope,
Speaker 2: We're not even fucking with Hollywood.
Speaker 1: They're never gonna beat the racist label.
Speaker 2: Like, I just don't see anything other than trouble if
Speaker 2: they don't give it to right Coogler. And it's not
Speaker 2: even like I'm saying he deserves a Participation Trophy or
Speaker 2: a DEI Award, like he fucking deserves it. The way
Speaker 2: that movie was directed was incredible. And like they said,
Speaker 2: Paul Thomas Anderson has been around, He's got other movies.
Speaker 2: This is Ryan Cougler's baby. I think Hollywood would be
Speaker 2: tripping if they didn't give it to him.
Speaker 1: Going against the grain. Ain't saying nothing. Who that is?
Speaker 6: Bro?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she did Past Lives. Yeah, but I ain't really
Speaker 1: care for Past Lives.
Speaker 2: Oh me and Ay liked it, That's what I'm thinking. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'll be confusing the rights sometimes. All right, so let's
Speaker 2: let's drop down because I don't know that y'all watched
Speaker 2: a lot of documentaries for last year.
Speaker 1: I didn't. Film editing is not that interesting right here?
Speaker 1: What wait?
Speaker 2: Is not?
Speaker 1: It is interesting? Go ahead, get you let Rod talk
Speaker 1: about it. Okay, the nominations to see if you even
Speaker 1: see these.
Speaker 2: Movies film editing, because everybody here is so fascinated by editing. Okay,
Speaker 2: advancement and film editing. Rod, we got f one, We
Speaker 2: got Marty Supreme. We got one battle after another, we
Speaker 2: got sentimental value again, and we got sinners.
Speaker 1: So what you what you got value? I know this
Speaker 1: movie apparently.
Speaker 3: One has to win that. If you saw it in
Speaker 3: the theater rock Yeah, I saw it in the theater.
Speaker 1: Yeah that that sound quality was crazy, So I was down.
Speaker 1: It is a different thing, Nick, that's on here too. Well.
Speaker 3: I like the way they were able to chop it
Speaker 3: up to like to make you feel like you were
Speaker 3: in the car like with them.
Speaker 1: I feel like the editing was like really.
Speaker 6: Editing was really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, took a lot of work.
Speaker 10: Get on the other side of the room and do it.
Speaker 3: I feel like a kid when I was at the theater. Kid,
Speaker 3: I was like, I was looking around some bull ship.
Speaker 2: Okay, So Nick says, f one, anybody else got a
Speaker 2: different one?
Speaker 1: I said that one too, that was okay. I said, yeah, damn,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I know I said at first, I'm one.
Speaker 4: I didn't say more than Supreme might have something to
Speaker 4: say about that.
Speaker 1: No one from that movie.
Speaker 4: I mean, they gonna give that movie an award if
Speaker 4: it ain't this one, it's gonna be Best Pictures.
Speaker 2: So that movie is getting on the Wars. I agree
Speaker 2: with Spike, it's gonna get something. Yeah, I guess it
Speaker 2: was edited well, but you know, I don't really see
Speaker 2: centers on that.
Speaker 1: On that list.
Speaker 6: Editor Sentner's has some good editing moments too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess outside of your average filmmaker person, just
Speaker 2: regular folks, I don't. I don't know how many of
Speaker 2: us noticed how good the editing was. I did notice
Speaker 2: how good the editing was for Martiny Supreme, even though
Speaker 2: I didn't like the movie that much. And one battle
Speaker 2: after another, honestly, cha.
Speaker 1: Amazing movie scenes. Yes last year. Yeah, I agree. I agree.
Speaker 2: So there's a bunch of international films, but none of us.
Speaker 2: I'm sure none of us saw these. A couple of
Speaker 2: these were on my list, so I'll run through them
Speaker 2: real quick.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: The Seek Agent, which is a Brazilian film. I've heard
Speaker 2: amazing things about that movie. It Was Just an Accident,
Speaker 2: which is a French film. Sentimental Value Again, which apparently
Speaker 2: is a Norwegian film, surat from Spain. I can't remember
Speaker 2: who told me. I think it might have been Sadistic
Speaker 2: that actually told me that I need to see this movie,
Speaker 2: and I have not watched it yet, so sadistic if
Speaker 2: you're listening, I apologize. I will get to it. And
Speaker 2: the voice of hind Rajab which is from Tunisia. So
Speaker 2: congrats to all of them. A couple more here, let's
Speaker 2: talk about okay, last two adapted screenplay and original screenplay.
Speaker 2: So for writing adapted screenplay, we have Bogonia, we have Frankenstein,
Speaker 2: we got Hamnett, we got one Battle after another, and
Speaker 2: we got Train Dreams. I didn't see Trained dream yet either,
Speaker 2: but I heard it was really good.
Speaker 1: Would you never see a movie cos not if it
Speaker 1: was written by like Kyler Perry or.
Speaker 4: Like, I'm not going to Perry Trained Dreams my nightmare that.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be like human Centipede. I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: see that in the at home. I guess I didn't
Speaker 2: think about I don't think I ever really watched this
Speaker 2: category or even really think that hard about this category.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, screenplay itself, like what are y'all what
Speaker 2: do y'all got for this? Denominations again, Frankenstein, Hamnett, one
Speaker 2: battle after a another, and Train Dreams.
Speaker 1: I think I think is going to get that just
Speaker 1: because it's like Shakespeare.
Speaker 3: The Hollywood likes to pat itself on the back, and
Speaker 3: that's one of the movies that's gonna be like, Okay,
Speaker 3: this is old to that.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 5: I wish i'd seen Hamnet. But I could make an
Speaker 5: argument for Frankenstein.
Speaker 2: I was about to say that Ken I would not
Speaker 2: be surprised if Frankenstein got this one at all.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen a lot of the one that I
Speaker 4: have seen, but I feel like it was a great
Speaker 4: original screenplay.
Speaker 1: No, it's it's adapted. It's adapted. Yeah, I believe was
Speaker 1: a book.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, So I could see Frankenstein winning it just
Speaker 2: because of what they did with the story for Frankenstein.
Speaker 2: But I can also see Pagonia winning honestly, So I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: So for the last one, the last one we want
Speaker 2: to talk about today, this is writing original screenplay, and
Speaker 2: then I have one more question to ask y'all before
Speaker 2: we wrap up. But original screenplay Blue Moon, which I
Speaker 2: didn't see. It was just an accident which I did
Speaker 2: not see. Marty supreme sentimental value I haven't seen. And
Speaker 2: sinners what.
Speaker 1: Y'all got for this? What do you say screenplay?
Speaker 3: Probably sentimental value wins this one. Nah, But I'm just
Speaker 3: saying they're not going they're not gonna give Sences how
Speaker 3: much their animated film to ship. I think it's gonna
Speaker 3: get the Original Screenplay based on everybody talks about that,
Speaker 3: or I would love to see Sinners get it as well. Yes,
Speaker 3: but I think that again, the Academy ain't gonna give
Speaker 3: them everything. They're going like, all right, you're either gonna
Speaker 3: get Best Director of Screenplay, which one you want?
Speaker 1: I think I think it deserves both of those.
Speaker 2: I think it deserves Best Director and Best Best Original
Speaker 2: Screenplay because out of all of these movies, I think Sinners,
Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't see the other one, so I'm
Speaker 2: talking out of my ass, but so I guess it's
Speaker 2: between that and Marty Supreme. I think Sinners was a
Speaker 2: much more daring screenplay, especially making the whole first hour
Speaker 2: of a film, this old school black drama and then
Speaker 2: in a heartbeat flipping into a B a B horror movie.
Speaker 2: That's not that's not easy to pull off, especially when
Speaker 2: you're I know people are listening like, oh, you're at
Speaker 2: least talking a bad race, like everything to be a
Speaker 2: bad race.
Speaker 1: Well it is when you're a black filmmaker.
Speaker 2: I think doing something that daring is a lot harder
Speaker 2: than say, if fucking you know James Cameron or Quentin
Speaker 2: Tarantino did it, you know.
Speaker 1: So I think I think Sinators deserves this too, and
Speaker 1: for having.
Speaker 3: A music video in the middle of all that too,
Speaker 3: Like I don't know, maybe people people.
Speaker 1: May not like that scene, but like I ain't say nothing.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like, but that's that's sup that, Like
Speaker 3: no one's ever gonna really do that in a movie, like,
Speaker 3: especially like a black director having a gut to be
Speaker 3: like fuck it, if I'm gonna throw everything against the wall,
Speaker 3: I'm throwing everything against the wall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, Well that's my take. Anybody got
Speaker 1: anything different?
Speaker 4: I agree with you Sinners. The there that it took well,
Speaker 4: it's almost like two different movies. And then to ask
Speaker 4: Michael B. Jordan to play that role like it's that
Speaker 4: that definitely wins.
Speaker 1: It for me. Agree, one hundred agree, yep.
Speaker 2: So my last question before we wrap up is anything missing?
Speaker 2: And I mean from any of the categories, Do y'all
Speaker 2: have anything missing? Or are y'all surprised that that there's
Speaker 2: any film, any actor whatever that did not make the list.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm surprised Karate Kids Legends. Then there.
Speaker 1: You gotta watch.
Speaker 5: I don't know, I'm going to watch the movie.
Speaker 6: I think, what's the movie did we review where the
Speaker 6: girl took the serum and turned into a younger girl?
Speaker 1: That was last year? That was last year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that she was nominated. Uh, yeah, she was nominated
Speaker 3: last year. She should have worked about her substance.
Speaker 1: Su Okay, that sounded like our killing movie. He wrote
Speaker 1: that that's the ideal movie. Actually he was donated for
Speaker 1: best anyway.
Speaker 6: And what I guess for me, like, at what point
Speaker 6: will superhero movie start getting nominated for things?
Speaker 1: Never? So I think I don't. I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't agree all the way would never, But I
Speaker 2: do think it's going to be a long time because
Speaker 2: it took this long for horror movies to even start
Speaker 2: getting included in the conversation. I think superhero movies are
Speaker 2: taken less seriously than horror movies right now. I think
Speaker 2: Jordan Peele came along, Eggers came along, Buddy that did
Speaker 2: Hereditary whose name I can't think of right now, Arid Astor,
Speaker 2: those guys came along and they changed the perception of
Speaker 2: what horror movies are and can be that has not
Speaker 2: happened yet for superhero movies.
Speaker 1: I feel like Thunderboats.
Speaker 6: I feel like Thunderboats will hound every everybody's list this year,
Speaker 6: and not not for the superhero aspect, but just for
Speaker 6: the overall like dealing with depression and things like that.
Speaker 1: I felt like, if.
Speaker 6: It was a time, it should have been a movie
Speaker 6: like that, you know, So that is still disappointing that,
Speaker 6: you know, because they do what's her name? She did
Speaker 6: a good job in that movie, the one that plays
Speaker 6: out Florence put Florence Pugh. Yeah, I mean she's still
Speaker 6: Florence Pugh, which she gets nominated for other shit, Like
Speaker 6: I don't understand like why she wouldn't get nominated, you know,
Speaker 6: for this for anything.
Speaker 3: I think the subject matter is like the biggest thing
Speaker 3: about it, because yep, people are gonna be like you
Speaker 3: need to tell me that. Like I get why it's
Speaker 3: a good movie, but it's like for how the Oscars
Speaker 3: considered like what should get awards, it's like the subject matters.
Speaker 3: It's somewhat like grounded in reality or realism or some
Speaker 3: type of issue or ideology that people can rub around,
Speaker 3: not to say, like mental health isn't that, but mental
Speaker 3: health is still kind of even new to even talk about.
Speaker 1: In certain ways in films.
Speaker 3: But doing it in a superhero movie, to me, if
Speaker 3: it was going to get nominated, it should have been
Speaker 3: like endgame, just like how they did like Lord of
Speaker 3: the Rings, where it's like this is this was an
Speaker 3: achievement for Hollywood to tell a ten year story, you know.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I just don't understand it because like you
Speaker 6: got movies like bogonya right, which is like about aliens
Speaker 6: and shit, I mean, and technically superhero movies is about
Speaker 6: aliens and all types of shit. So I just don't understand,
Speaker 6: like it's not even in discussion, like like, and these
Speaker 6: movies make so much money for uh, for these people.
Speaker 1: But if you talk to film snobs and you know this, Rod,
Speaker 1: if you talk to certain film knobs.
Speaker 2: And you start talking this type of shit, they're gonna
Speaker 2: dismiss you immediately. They're gonna be like, are you fucking serious?
Speaker 2: If you go around certain circles, especially the circles I've
Speaker 2: been around, if you're like, because I've gotten those looks,
Speaker 2: you know, as pretentious of an asshole as I am,
Speaker 2: people are always surprised when I'm like no, like Endgame
Speaker 2: is fucking dope, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I liked Superman.
Speaker 2: They're like what and it's like, yeah, those are good movies,
Speaker 2: but the Academy doesn't take those kinds of movies seriously.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I know they don't. I was just saying,
Speaker 6: and that's why I asked the questions about.
Speaker 3: The Yeah, maybe maybe depend on how Doomsday goes.
Speaker 9: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I think at this point maybe
Speaker 3: the peak because to me, like Endgame would have like
Speaker 3: also let Hollywood talk about like the peak of superhero
Speaker 3: movies and kind of capture that moment in time. But
Speaker 3: now it's just kind of like if you're not even
Speaker 3: nominated Endgame, I don't know what else, like what else
Speaker 3: coming afterwards will even be get up to that level
Speaker 3: to where it's like, oh, this should have been nominated.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Jen put the perfect comment in the in the text,
Speaker 2: which is why his punk ass needs to be on
Speaker 2: these episodes. But he just said, talking to talking to
Speaker 2: to film nerds and film snobs about Marvel films, it's
Speaker 2: like trying to talk to hip hop heads about Drake.
Speaker 2: They're not going to take you seriously like that you're
Speaker 2: talking to some motherfucker and Tims that's from New York
Speaker 2: that listens to nothing but WU and you're like, listen,
Speaker 2: Drake is actually a really good rapper.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be exited from the conversation. They're like, all right, bro,
Speaker 1: it's the same thing with Marvel films, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: So I'm with you, Rod, it's not fair and it
Speaker 2: should change at some point, but Nick is onto something.
Speaker 2: If Doomsday does something different, maybe, but I don't see
Speaker 2: Doomsday changing the perception either. It's Robert Downey Junior dressed
Speaker 2: up like Doctor.
Speaker 1: Doom, you know what I mean. It's still Spider Man,
Speaker 1: and it's nah nah.
Speaker 2: If it was gonna happen, it would have happened with Thunderbolts,
Speaker 2: or it would have happened with Logan.
Speaker 1: But h but I guess we'll see. We'll see. So
Speaker 1: I guess we'll be.
Speaker 2: Tuning in for the show and hopefully we'll get Nick
Speaker 2: back to do a recap of how the actual awards went.
Speaker 1: But it's not till March. We got plenty of time,
Speaker 1: and it's not I thought they usually had it in February.
Speaker 1: They waited till March. Well, I thought war shows.
Speaker 3: I thought all the war shows because you know that
Speaker 3: to be trying to cram all this stuff in Black
Speaker 3: history so we can forget that it is Black history.
Speaker 1: One. We got the super Bowl All Star Weekend and
Speaker 1: the Grammy's and ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, but it's definitely in March with
Speaker 2: Colonel O'Brien, so we'll.
Speaker 1: Be tuning in. We'll definitely come back and get our
Speaker 1: thoughts about how things went.
Speaker 2: And let us know if y'all know some movies that
Speaker 2: got left out and do we all.
Speaker 1: Need to see fucking tentamental value? Are we missing out?
Speaker 1: Let us know? And should Spike review twenty eight years later?
Speaker 2: Bone Temple? Let us know, Bone Temple. I forgot to
Speaker 2: do it for Spike review the Bone Temple. Should Spike
Speaker 2: review the Bone in Bone Temple?
Speaker 1: Let us know and we will see y'all next. We're
Speaker 1: all peace