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Speaker 1: And Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your week with us. Later,

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Speaker 1: former FBI agent doctor Tyron Powers, who will take over

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Speaker 1: our classroom. Doctor Powers will analyze the in Minneapolis Ice

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Speaker 1: shooting and also the abduction of Venezuelan pressident Nicolas Maduro.

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Speaker 1: Before we hear from doctor Powers, though, human rights activists

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Speaker 1: Visionary Brother Saint Claus Kinno will report on these recent

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Speaker 1: trips to Africa, Asia and Europe. He's also updated as

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Speaker 1: hollist I Love Black People campaign. But first let's get

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Speaker 1: Kevin opened the classroom doors this morning, Grand Rising, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Grand rising't Carl Nelson. Indeed, my man, It's Monday, the

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Speaker 2: twelfth of January.

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Speaker 3: Where does the time go?

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Speaker 2: I mean twelve years into the I mean twelve days

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Speaker 2: into the new year of twenty twenty six, and I

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Speaker 2: guess it's time to refresh.

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Speaker 3: Our resolutions, you know, just really refreshed.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to remind people you refresh your resolution.

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Speaker 3: How you feeling, girl.

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning, Kevin, I'm still learning. Man.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a sign of a leader, as a leadership

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Speaker 2: skill to recognize the need to continually observe, absorb, learn,

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Speaker 2: and then teach, you know, I like to think of reading.

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, we were talking about that.

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Speaker 2: I like reading, and uh, lots of books. I've got

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Speaker 2: lots of books around, got my own little library that

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Speaker 2: I continually read, and I also use audio books as

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Speaker 2: well as reading. So I think that leaders are readers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know the things. I saw a report that

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Speaker 1: most people haven't read a book since high school.

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Speaker 3: Kevin.

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Speaker 1: So you're you're you're in the minority. Most people. You're

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Speaker 1: in the minority again, Yeah, but it could be because

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Speaker 1: of folks, could be because of the internet or audio books.

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Speaker 1: Like you, you know, if you're on a long trip,

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Speaker 1: audiobooks are great. But for most people that just don't

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Speaker 1: read the books anymore.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, you go, example, you go to the airport.

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Speaker 2: They've had great books in the airport and you look

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Speaker 2: on a flight. But are you saying maybe not as

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Speaker 2: many black people. You remember their old saying you want

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Speaker 2: to hide all of us, You want to hide something

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Speaker 2: to put it in a book.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but but the other folks too, People just don't

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Speaker 1: don't read. Right now, reading Tony Browner's new book, he's

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Speaker 1: that's a good book to read. Family, you want to

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Speaker 1: talk about Tony's journey for the year, journey going to

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Speaker 1: going to Egypt. But anyway, I think the internet because

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Speaker 1: you can you can figure out you don't you know,

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Speaker 3: But I think that counts.

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Speaker 2: I think reading the summary of a good book, it

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Speaker 2: lets you know whether or not you want to buy

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Speaker 2: perhaps a minus even for the effort of reading the summary.

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 1: I agree? Because you know, in school, in college, you know,

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Speaker 1: I have to plow through it. You can scheme through it.

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Speaker 2: So education is a key and a real quick tease.

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Speaker 2: Next week begins with the observation of Martin Luther King

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Speaker 2: next week. So one of the things you could do

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Speaker 3: You know. We'll talk about it when it gets closer.

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Speaker 1: But we talked about that, and we can't talk about

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Speaker 3: Right, Because you can save time or you can save money.

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Speaker 2: That's so that's how it works, and you can you

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Speaker 2: Hey, look another news, the Jump administration faces outrage over

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Speaker 2: the Minneaneapolis ice shooting. I'm not sure if that's new

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Speaker 2: response to federal authority's decision to exclude state investigators from

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Speaker 1: What, well, a couple of things. At first, former FBI

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Speaker 1: later this morning, so he's gonna he's gonna flesh that

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Speaker 2: Portland Mayor Keith Wilson said about the shooting that there

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Speaker 2: referring to federal agents, and that time is long past,

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Speaker 2: he says, and that's why we are calling on ice

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Speaker 2: the fact that now you don't know if they're telling

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because they're teeing the investigator at the hands of

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Speaker 2: Formerly in Technical News, the Chinese executives say China is

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Speaker 2: chip export curves as key constraints. The terrorists won't let

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Speaker 2: think of that, man? Chinese are probably bluffing and what

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Speaker 2: they do that, Kevin. They don't invent or do things.

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Speaker 2: They wait till it's done and then they's just copy

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Speaker 2: And that's why people talk about Chinese products are so

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Speaker 2: that while that they're putting their money and they're concerned

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Speaker 1: Things like that, going around the world.

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Speaker 1: All right, Thanks Kevin, thank you. That's tough, brother sen

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Speaker 1: Claire grand Rising, welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 4: Oh grand Rising, big brother sir, and thank you so much,

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Speaker 4: and thanks for always having a very very thoughtful.

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Speaker 5: Provocative conversation this early in the day, which is awesome.

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Speaker 1: Let me miss you do this though, some of the

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Speaker 1: things that Kevin and I were talking about. We talked

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Speaker 1: about because you put on events, do you find and

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Speaker 1: this is maybe some psychology behind this, because our folks

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Speaker 7: You know again, I think the answer is yes.

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Speaker 8: And the question is how do you you know, how do.

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Speaker 7: You deal with all that? That's the part.

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Speaker 2: can't plan ahead and to get sickest that's not that's

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Speaker 3: When you're saying, you're just saying across the board principle.

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Speaker 7: I just think that a lot of times that we

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Speaker 7: with the conversation about ice and protests. You know, I

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Speaker 7: learned activism in the South. You know, the law enforcement

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Speaker 8: It enough where now everyone is.

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Speaker 2: That's conditioned our people to then arrived tardy for the

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Speaker 1: Always finding the positive in every instance. Thank you, Thank

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Speaker 1: they with humanitarian activist and visionary brother sin Clair Skinner,

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Speaker 1: just back from a trip to Europe, Africa, and also Asian.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's start with Europe first. Put them in the

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Speaker 7: And you know, I'll tell you what I think. You

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Speaker 7: Tuskegee and had an rot opportunity for ROT full ride

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Speaker 7: and didn't take it, it was a problem. And then

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Speaker 7: I always had a fondness of level of airplanes. And

435
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Speaker 7: I was working at a co op at McDonald Douglass,

436
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Speaker 7: and when the first Persian Golf War came out, it

437
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Speaker 7: was like something that you know, the whole fact that

438
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Speaker 7: I was working with the FA teams and these planes

439
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Speaker 7: or weapons of mass destruction. I realized like this, this

440
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Speaker 7: can't be my life. I'm not going to do this.

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Speaker 7: And even at Tuskeigney during that whole time of the

442
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Speaker 7: Persian Golf War, you know, there was folks that you know,

443
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Speaker 7: we were involved in with the issue of pasti acient

444
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Speaker 7: subjectors was still available in those times, and we don't

445
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Speaker 7: talk about it anymore, you know, or if it is,

446
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Speaker 7: it's really very much of a religious content text to it,

447
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Speaker 7: as you cited Muhammad Ali. But conscientious objectives don't have

448
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Speaker 7: to be Muslim. So there was definitely even when the

449
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Speaker 7: Persian Golf War first came out, we had students who

450
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Speaker 7: had you know, been an ROTC and they were praying

451
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Speaker 7: that they would be reserved, many of us trying to

452
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Speaker 7: go active duties for benefits. But then when the work

453
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Speaker 7: came out, they got real concern like this whole thing

454
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Speaker 7: about getting money to go to school, which is something

455
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Speaker 7: only probably people who don't have the fund. Going back

456
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Speaker 7: to the part about how oppressed people are used for

457
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Speaker 7: these agendas. If you have money, you're not going to

458
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Speaker 7: subject yourself to have to be in the military to

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Speaker 7: go to college. You have these other ways. But I

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Speaker 7: definitely my track record of who I am, I'm I'm

461
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Speaker 7: not that. That's not what I'm going to do. So dancwers, No,

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Speaker 7: I wouldn't participate.

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Speaker 1: Talk down, uh, brother saint class, I guess they brother.

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Speaker 1: It just got back from Europe, Asia and Africa, so

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Speaker 1: let's start with your first trip. Let's uh, let's go.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Europe. What was what was it like?

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Speaker 1: Did you feel any anti americanism in any of your

468
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Speaker 1: travels because you just got back a few days ago.

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Speaker 7: Well, yeah, well the European is you know, I noticed,

470
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Speaker 7: and I noticed that more and more. You're from the

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Speaker 7: time we talked to about me going to work with

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Speaker 7: some of our members in the border of Ukraine and Poland,

473
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Speaker 7: helping them leave the initial stages of the invasion of

474
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Speaker 7: Russia to now, the European tribalism is real, and I

475
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Speaker 7: think it's one of their you know, key factors with

476
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Speaker 7: the downfall of the so called Western or European like

477
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Speaker 7: their whole piece is not you know, we used to

478
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Speaker 7: talk about white supremacist ideology must be destroyed. I don't

479
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Speaker 7: think it's going to be destroyed by black people. It's

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Speaker 7: going to be destroyed by themselves. Like the animals they

481
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Speaker 7: have towards each other is problematic, even with the Slavics,

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Speaker 7: for the dramatic tribe, like I'm talking about it like

483
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Speaker 7: in a funny way, but in an abstracted way. But

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Speaker 7: you know when they you're in London and there's a

485
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Speaker 7: European cleaning your toilet, that's not a British person. It's

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Speaker 7: probably somebody who's Polish or Ukrainian. So even with their

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Speaker 7: pecking order or their their whole hierarchical way they see themselves,

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Speaker 7: you know, you know, maybe the Scandinavian you know, dramatic,

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Speaker 7: and then the Slavic and so called you know, the Latin,

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Speaker 7: you know, the Iberian Peninsula folks, they have a hierarchy.

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Speaker 7: That's like again, you know, we were growing up, you know,

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Speaker 7: my parents said white people they didn't differentiate what their

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Speaker 7: religions was or were part of Europe. But they know

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Speaker 7: each other and they kind of deal with it like that.

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Speaker 7: So I've seen some of that as it relates to

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Speaker 7: the US. Also in the context of what we're doing

497
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Speaker 7: is better than what's being done in the US, or

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Speaker 7: there's often I'm in the tech space, so did you

499
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Speaker 7: know blockchain, bitcoin and these you know, emerging technologies. There's

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Speaker 7: often they have rivalries about who's doing what, and they

501
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Speaker 7: have these rivalries with the pretext of white supremacist purority that.

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Speaker 8: Doesn't really exist.

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Speaker 7: Like if you if you're dealing with the Europeans, oftentimes

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Speaker 7: they really believe Christopher Columbus discovered America. This is the

505
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Speaker 7: hard conversation. If you're dealing with people who believe in

506
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Speaker 7: Santa Claus and Christopher Columbus and all these other things

507
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Speaker 7: whatever else they're talking about, the premise can become a

508
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Speaker 7: little off. So while they're having this conversation about the

509
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Speaker 7: US and the rivalries and how superior they are, you know,

510
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 7: the Chinese are eating a lunch, you know, they they

511
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Speaker 7: some something and I'm using broad strikes strokes And this

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Speaker 7: is me being in conferences with smart people and you

513
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Speaker 7: know average people. Literally, if you operating off operating system

514
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Speaker 7: a computer system, that thinks that you're superior, just because

515
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Speaker 7: I think sometimes you don't see your laws, you don't

516
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Speaker 7: see the potential, you know, to be overtaken by someone

517
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Speaker 7: because the world that you put together in your mind

518
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 7: has had you at the top for some reason, and

519
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 7: that top being on top, you never associate that with

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00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 7: violence of any negativity. You think that everything that was

521
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Speaker 7: invented was invented by you. So it's just a very distorted,

522
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Speaker 7: you know, as opposed to a multi polar world where

523
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Speaker 7: every society contribute. It's a unifor polar world that's bound

524
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Speaker 7: to failed. And so when I was in Europe, I

525
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 7: realized there's no manufacturing really going on there now. They've

526
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Speaker 7: been deindustrializing Germany because they can't get access to cheap

527
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Speaker 7: energy from Russia anymore because the sanctions that they put

528
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Speaker 7: on them. So you see some of that like change.

529
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Speaker 7: And then we're talking about stuff that I do with crypto,

530
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Speaker 7: and their context of the economy is not one that's collective.

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Speaker 7: They're always trying to figure out how one person can

532
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Speaker 7: get all of this as opposed to how the collective

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Speaker 7: can participate. So even when I started contemplating the fall

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Speaker 7: of communism in Europe the Berlin Wall in nineteen eighty nine.

535
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Speaker 7: I started to realize when I just supposed that when

536
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Speaker 7: I see Chinese communism, that maybe it wasn't a failure

537
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Speaker 7: of communism, but maybe it was a failure of European

538
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Speaker 7: civilization or European worldview. Like maybe if you stick any

539
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Speaker 7: system with European folks who are tribal, that they might

540
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Speaker 7: make any of it fall apart. But when you see

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Speaker 7: communism as manifested with some of the free market stuff

542
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Speaker 7: they're doing, and in China, it actually seems like it's

543
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Speaker 7: quite effective. So I don't know how to, you know,

544
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 7: to put those pieces together. But when I was traveling

545
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Speaker 7: from the Europe, I was again, I was in Amsterdam,

546
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Speaker 7: Madrid and listening, you know, those were some of the

547
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Speaker 7: things that I kind of like gleaned from the tribalism

548
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Speaker 7: and the physical superiority. And of course when I go

549
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Speaker 7: to Europe, I'm literally always looking for the black communities

550
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Speaker 7: as a part of what we're doing with I love

551
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Speaker 7: black people, so, you know, so very you know, Livement

552
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Speaker 7: was in particular had you know, quite a few brothers

553
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Speaker 7: and sisters from Angola, Mozambique, Capo Verdi and you know,

554
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Speaker 7: got a chance to kind of vibe with them, and

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Speaker 7: many of them, you know, were Therefore I was, and

556
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Speaker 7: when I travel off into Europe, I don't don't. I

557
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Speaker 7: don't do tour tourism in Europe. You know, these are conferences,

558
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Speaker 7: tech conferences and things like that that I attend. So

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Speaker 7: it literally was a great opportunity to be brothers and

560
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 7: sisters too, who who who? Because of what was done

561
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Speaker 7: to their country, it was easier for them to get

562
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Speaker 7: visas in Portugal and engage them, So it was you know, yeah,

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Speaker 7: So definitely my European experience is you know, typical being

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Speaker 7: around Europeans, I think, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Twenty five away from the top of Ala Bella sinkles,

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Speaker 1: can you mentioned Portugal, the Iberian Peninsula and later this

567
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Speaker 1: week investigative reporter Greg Palace he's in Portugal as we speak.

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Speaker 1: He's going to join us. He was and his role

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Speaker 1: as a BBC investigative report investigated the Maduro and who

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Speaker 1: goes shot and she's going to share some of those

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Speaker 1: stories around our family to make sure to keep unless

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Speaker 1: this is going to be real powerful. Twenty five away

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Speaker 1: from the top, brother, simply my question to you in

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Speaker 1: all your travels, do they treat you differently as an

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Speaker 1: an African American, a Black American, as opposed to the

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Speaker 1: brother and sisters from the continent.

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Speaker 10: I think in.

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Speaker 7: Some places until I open my mouth, they do. But

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Speaker 7: once I open my mouth, they hear my American accent,

580
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Speaker 7: and there's a certain privilege in the American accent does give,

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Speaker 7: so they hear the American accent. Because even in China,

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Speaker 7: they prefer Americans, especially probably Black American English, to any

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Speaker 7: other English when you're speaking to the rank, your file,

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Speaker 7: everyday person. Of course, in the business, you know in

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Speaker 7: China they like to speak Mandarin even if they speak English.

586
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Speaker 7: They not they see themselves as centered. So you're in

587
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Speaker 7: their country and you can be trying to pick up

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Speaker 7: garbage in their country. They still maintain China Chinese or

589
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 7: Mandarin is the business protocol language, even if they speak English.

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Speaker 7: So and some people say that's the way you protect

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Speaker 7: your culture. Like in the African countries, we speak to

592
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Speaker 7: colonizers language and not our local language as business language.

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Speaker 7: So that gives access to business and politics and everything

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Speaker 7: else from foreigners. But if you make a barrier between

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Speaker 7: these outside people and their ability to do things domestically

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Speaker 7: with language. It makes them either have to learn that

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Speaker 7: language or they have to get someone that's local to

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Speaker 7: that to help them navigate business. So it's a very

599
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Speaker 7: interesting context in Africa that say it's hard to do

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Speaker 7: business and they're speaking in English talking about their norms

601
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Speaker 7: and not the norms of the local indigenous people. And

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Speaker 7: I think as far as the development and changes that

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Speaker 7: we've gone through on the continent, this is one area

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Speaker 7: that still leads us easily exposed to exploitation because again,

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Speaker 7: you don't have to have any knowledge of local languages

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Speaker 7: to participate at the highest levels of business in Africa.

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Speaker 7: In China, this is not possible.

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Speaker 1: All right, hold up the right there. We got to

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Speaker 1: check the news trafficking web in at different cities when

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Speaker 1: we come back. Tell us about China. Your trip to China,

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Speaker 1: what was that like? Many of us don't get a

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Speaker 1: chance to go to China and deal with the Chinese.

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Speaker 1: But even though you deal with him on a professional level,

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Speaker 1: let us know how that worked out. Family YouTube can

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Speaker 1: get in on this conversation with our guest, the brother

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Speaker 1: Saint Clair Skinner reach out to us at eight hundred

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Speaker 1: four five zero seventy eight seventy six, and we'll take

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Speaker 1: a phone calls after we check the latest news trafficking web.

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Speaker 1: That's next and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your

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Speaker 1: week with us. At sixteen minutes away from the top,

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Speaker 1: they out with our guess, brother Saint Clair Skinner. Brother

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Speaker 1: Saint Clair is a activists. He's a businessman and it's

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Speaker 1: a visionary and has also got a program called I

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Speaker 1: Love Black People will always want to get an update

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Speaker 1: on that. But before we go back to him, though,

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Speaker 1: let me just remind you. Coming up later this morning,

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Speaker 1: you gotta hear from former FBI agent doctor Tyrone Powers.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Palace is going to analyze the Minneapolis ice shooting,

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Speaker 1: also the abduction of Venezuelan president Nicholas and Maduro. And

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Speaker 1: later this week you're going to hear from chematologists brother

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Speaker 1: Tony brad Er. Brother Tony's got a new book out.

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Speaker 1: Also investigative reporter Greg Palace. As I mentioned that those

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Speaker 1: of you are familiar with Greg's work, he also worked

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Speaker 1: for the BBC and also interviewed Hugeshavis and also interviewed

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Speaker 1: Maduro before he became president and also after, so he's

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Speaker 1: got a perspective of what's going on with Venezuela. It's

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Speaker 1: going to share with us. And if that's not all,

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Speaker 1: we've got an ambassador audiatam Cheambari Quad it's going to

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Speaker 1: join us and we look for Africa. Africa is rising.

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Speaker 1: She's going to share those thoughts with us. And on

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Speaker 1: top of that, we've got Morgan State University professor doctor

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Speaker 1: Ray Wimbush will be here. So if you are in Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: make sure you keep you radio locked in tight on

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Speaker 1: ten ten WLB, or if you're in the DMV family

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Speaker 1: in Washington, DC Metropolitan, we're on fourteen fifty WOL. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's go back to bet the Sinclair was telling about

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Speaker 1: his trip to China. So by the thing, can't let

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Speaker 1: you finish your thought?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So, I mean I think with the Chinese, the

650
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Speaker 7: trip that we had there was interesting. One of the

651
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Speaker 7: things that we're doing in our startup, we have a

652
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Speaker 7: tech hub called the I Love Black People's Tech Cub

653
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 7: is the Zimbabwe Tech Hub based in Harari and one

654
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Speaker 7: of the projects that we're now doing in the tech

655
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Speaker 7: hub is a solar project. So we're supporting a solar

656
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Speaker 7: company from a female founder out of Zimbabwe and one

657
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Speaker 7: of the biggest manufacturers of solar panels, inverters and batteries

658
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Speaker 7: is China. So there's an event called the Canton Fair

659
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Speaker 7: and it's huge. There's a thing called the Consumer Electronics

660
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Speaker 7: that just happened last week in Vegas and I normally

661
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Speaker 7: go and it's that three day conference talking about the

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Speaker 7: latest and greatest that's happening and electronics and you know, technology.

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Speaker 7: But the Chinese have to think called the Canton Pair.

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Speaker 7: That's similar, but it's not three days, it's three weeks long,

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Speaker 7: and it's really extensive, Like there's no you can't even

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Speaker 7: compare what I've attended in Vegas with what I've seen

667
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Speaker 7: in China. So the focus of the work that I

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Speaker 7: was doing there was centered around the obtaining some of

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Speaker 7: the best and latest project i mean solar projects. So

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Speaker 7: one of the big things is censors. There's a whole

671
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Speaker 7: bunch of things that make what they're doing they're pretty interesting,

672
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Speaker 7: where you can basically remotely control how the solar panels

673
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Speaker 7: are being used in the batteries so that you can

674
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Speaker 7: kind of better manage the grid, the system, what have you.

675
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Speaker 7: And the Chinese again have the He's the greatest who

676
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Speaker 7: was in Gung Joe, which is where the Canton Fair was.

677
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Speaker 7: It was a place called sins In, which is like

678
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Speaker 7: they say, it was like their Silicon Valley. And there

679
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Speaker 7: these are very modern city, like these cities are bananas.

680
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Speaker 7: And then there was also uh hu Nan where they

681
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Speaker 7: actually had the Oca golf was playing tennis and uh

682
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Speaker 7: it's like a you know again, another city, different size.

683
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Speaker 7: But what I learned one of the things I realized

684
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Speaker 7: about communism contextually, the person who was sweeping the floor

685
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Speaker 7: seemed to be as just as excited to be there

686
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Speaker 7: as a person behind the desk as the person who's

687
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Speaker 7: in charge, the person who's driving the taxis like it

688
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Speaker 7: seems again there was no real tipping, Like people saw

689
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Speaker 7: their role in the country as like a part of

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Speaker 7: a team. It seemed again I'm talking about outwardly. Now

691
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Speaker 7: we've dealt with issues, uh with Chinese said on the

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Speaker 7: continent of Africa with xenophobia, and even during COVID we

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Speaker 7: had issues where African nationals who were in China were

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Speaker 7: being treated differently than local Chinese folks. But as it

695
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Speaker 7: relates to what I saw this recent trip, it literally

696
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Speaker 7: has to be one of the safest places and all

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Speaker 7: those cities had to be. It was just so like

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Speaker 7: three o'clock in the morning. And I'm not saying it

699
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Speaker 7: was up at three o'clock, but I'm just saying like

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Speaker 7: it was literally safe at all times of the day,

701
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Speaker 7: you know, just the way it's very organized. Again, you're

702
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Speaker 7: talking about a billion, four people.

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Speaker 1: The movement.

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Speaker 7: I was able to be on one of those still

705
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Speaker 7: super fast trains and all those things. It was literally

706
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Speaker 7: very efficient to move around in the country. It was again,

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Speaker 7: so I would say when I compare that to like Europe,

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Speaker 7: there's no comparison, Like the Chinese have won. They're just

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Speaker 7: waiting this out. They know that the US and whatnot

710
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Speaker 7: have nuclear weapons. They don't want to cause any unnecessary hiccups.

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Speaker 7: But the Chinese approach is and I will say, the

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Speaker 7: Chinese I've met and I do business. I've been doing

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Speaker 7: business with the Chinese partner. One of the projects I

714
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Speaker 7: worked on back and I will say twenty twelve was

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Speaker 7: important motorcycles and the scooters to the Caribbean to the

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Speaker 7: Dominican Republic. And that's by first So even my context

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Speaker 7: of being in China, I have some pre existing relationships

718
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Speaker 7: which has been very helpful and even when we were

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Speaker 7: talking about their free market they said they think about

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Speaker 7: their free marketing, said, they don't mind capitalism. People doing

721
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Speaker 7: their things, they're doing contentually as long as it's never

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Speaker 7: more powerful than the central the Communist Party. Like so

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Speaker 7: the CCP, the Communists Central Party, the Communist Chinese Communist

724
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Speaker 7: Party is the first and last word. And the context

725
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Speaker 7: that I was just you know, disgusting. They were saying, again,

726
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Speaker 7: no matter what economic interest, it's always has to be

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Speaker 7: about the interests of the collective, not some individual company.

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Speaker 7: So no individual company is more powerful than the party.

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Speaker 7: And the point they made to me about that was like, well,

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Speaker 7: there's someone controlling America, but you don't know who it is.

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Speaker 7: At least in China we know who controlled. We're not

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Speaker 7: confused because things like going into Venezuela. You know what

733
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Speaker 7: American democracy is asking to go kill people in Venezuela.

734
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Speaker 7: It's not the people. There's somebody that we don't even

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Speaker 7: know their name that's behind probably why the government is

736
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Speaker 7: doing genocide or any of these other things. So it

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Speaker 7: was very interesting. I didn't think about that because people

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Speaker 7: always talk about, oh, it's controlled by this central party,

739
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Speaker 7: but all governments are controlled and the the you know

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Speaker 7: illusion that then controlled every four years by voters. I

741
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Speaker 7: mean we got to like, you know, we might have

742
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Speaker 7: to re look at that and see is that really true?

743
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Speaker 7: And we want it to be true, but is that

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Speaker 7: actually how it actually works? And if it's not how

745
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Speaker 7: it works, let's not like keep living the fiction. Let's

746
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Speaker 7: like deal with the reality. So that was interesting to China.

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Speaker 1: Park all right, hold on, though they're not away from

748
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Speaker 1: the topic. Let me ask you this though. Did you

749
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Speaker 1: get the feeling that Chinese they played the long game.

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Speaker 1: They havent the patience. They know what they you know,

751
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Speaker 1: they know what they hand their cards, they're in their hands,

752
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Speaker 1: and I just playing it out and just wait, waiting

753
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Speaker 1: to the US to implode.

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Speaker 7: Well, yeah, but I think, you know, we talk about

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Speaker 7: you know, Chinese have been Chinese for five thousand years.

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Speaker 7: And then another thing I found out is China really

757
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Speaker 7: is not one country. Like if you go to different provinces,

758
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Speaker 7: they speak different dialects. But but Mandarin is their collective language.

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Speaker 7: And you know, the person that lives near staying Hi

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Speaker 7: or near the coast, and the person lives near Tibet

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Speaker 7: and the mountains, aren't they don't have, They don't eat

762
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Speaker 7: the same food, they don't have the same customs. They

763
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Speaker 7: actually are really different people. But because of the fact

764
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Speaker 7: that it's one country, all their systems and infrastructure and education,

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Speaker 7: all those things allow them to connect in a way

766
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Speaker 7: that's very powerful and efficient. You know, as much as

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Speaker 7: we say Africa is you know, fifty four countries. You know,

768
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Speaker 7: if you look at some of the sizes of the

769
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Speaker 7: countries and the way that's cut, you know it was

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Speaker 7: cut by It wasn't devised by African people. It was

771
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Speaker 7: devised by Europeans, and we left those countries in place,

772
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Speaker 7: even though they don't make life effective and efficient. It's actually,

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Speaker 7: you know, some countries are so small that it's hard

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Speaker 7: to justify or hard to efficiently create systems. It would

775
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Speaker 7: be better if we had a railroad system that pulled

776
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Speaker 7: everybody together. And of course we have trading blocks in Africa,

777
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Speaker 7: but that's not the same as having one country and

778
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 7: you have one law, you know, one sub of laws,

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Speaker 7: and you're now planning for the next one hundred years,

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Speaker 7: fifty years, twenty years of how you're going to make

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Speaker 7: the education system work, how you're going to make the

782
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Speaker 7: transportation system work. These are That type of planning at

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Speaker 7: scale is much easier when you're dealing with one country

784
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Speaker 7: as opposed to fifty some countries. So it's it was

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Speaker 7: definitely an interesting conversation as far as how they engaged

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Speaker 7: and treated you know, each other, let alone treated me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting because you travel a lot, so you

788
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Speaker 1: know that you know, you know what to expect and

789
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Speaker 1: how people treat you differently. You know, some of us

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Speaker 1: travel don't travel as frequently as you do, so you

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Speaker 1: know our experiences are sort of different because you know

792
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Speaker 1: what to expect and you know where they're coming from.

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Speaker 1: And I just mentioned some of these African countries like

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Speaker 1: like Benin and Togo, they just they're just so small.

795
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Speaker 1: They're probably small in DC, but there in their own

796
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Speaker 1: energies they're solving nations, so they have to be respected.

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Speaker 1: But again you pointed out that the Europeans are the

798
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Speaker 1: ones who carved up Africas and left with them that

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Speaker 1: there's still in many of the vestiges of the colonial ideas,

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Speaker 1: especially the colonial languages that they have. Do you ever

801
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Speaker 1: see that changing though? Do you ever see Africa coming

802
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Speaker 1: with one language where it would be Kiswaili or something else,

803
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Speaker 1: or do you think that they're so ready to their

804
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Speaker 1: dialects or if you will, because they won't call it

805
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Speaker 1: a language. Many of them to say that they don't,

806
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Speaker 1: you know, they don't claim any of the colonizes language.

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Speaker 1: They stick to their dialects. So and I think South

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Speaker 1: Africa is more than two hundred, Nigeria the same, more

809
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Speaker 1: than two hundred. Do you ever see that changing though

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Speaker 1: from your travels?

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Speaker 7: Well, I think the fact that you know we're doing

812
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Speaker 7: a campaign, but I love black people on the continent

813
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Speaker 7: called tribal diversity is our power and looking at the

814
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Speaker 7: diverse tribal you know, relationships, not in the tribal like

815
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Speaker 7: tribalism type of anti negative thing, but actually celebrating the

816
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Speaker 7: differences and how we can, how we continue and should improve,

817
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Speaker 7: how we work together. So I think the truth is

818
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Speaker 7: that we are different, and when I say different, we

819
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Speaker 7: do have different cultures, but we have a common interest.

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Speaker 7: In book, people watched and talked about the five fingers

821
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Speaker 7: of the hand and how we may be different, but

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Speaker 7: we can work together. I think in many ways, no

823
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Speaker 7: matter what borders there are, we can work together collectively.

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Speaker 7: And I think the common interest part is the part

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Speaker 7: that I think we leverage. We leverage through the Pan

826
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Speaker 7: African ideology. Everybody on the continent is not a Pan African,

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Speaker 7: is fair enough. But those who are, no matter where

828
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Speaker 7: they are, are able to come together and work together.

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Speaker 7: And to me, that's a starting place. I think as

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Speaker 7: it relates to what's going to happen to us as

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Speaker 7: African people, I think we were the first, and we're

832
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Speaker 7: going to be the last. I think we're the first

833
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Speaker 7: civilized people on the planet and we're going to be

834
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Speaker 7: the last. I think what's going to happen. I think Europe,

835
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Speaker 7: that whole Europe or Western European context, I think that's

836
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Speaker 7: what's going to implode. I think we're going to like

837
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Speaker 7: even like again, we talked about dealing with law enforcement, ice,

838
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Speaker 7: and what we've dealt with for you know, literally centuries

839
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Speaker 7: in the United States is that we've been able to resist, adopt,

840
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Speaker 7: adapt you know, we've been able to go through these

841
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Speaker 7: changes and still be here and not just be here,

842
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Speaker 7: but still in many ways have some an amazing supernatural

843
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Speaker 7: joy that other people in the world may not always have.

844
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Speaker 7: So I just think, in a real sense, we're going

845
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Speaker 7: to make it through this rising fall like the rise

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Speaker 7: and fall of the Soviet Union, the rise and fall

847
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Speaker 7: of the Ottoman Empire, like we've seen, you know, empires

848
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Speaker 7: rise and fall even within the last hundred years. To

849
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Speaker 7: think that the US and Europe as we know it

850
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Speaker 7: now is going to exist forever, I think it's that's

851
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Speaker 7: the US unlikely to have. I think it's more unsustainable

852
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Speaker 7: to have a world based on violence and lights of

853
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Speaker 7: terms ideology. I think that's unsustainable. So I think in

854
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Speaker 7: many ways what we've created in Africa where we've in

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Speaker 7: more instances than not have welcomed strangers.

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Speaker 1: Again right there, Brother Saint Clair, were gotta step asid

857
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: and get caught up with our ladies trafficking. I'm glad

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Speaker 1: you mentioned that because UH Ambassador Adriana Chimbari Quad is

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Speaker 1: going to be on with us late this week. She's

860
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 1: going to explain what you what you just said, because

861
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: that's what she's endorsing as well. Family, you two can

862
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: join our conversation with Brother Sinclair Skinner two away from

863
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: the top, play out. Just reach out to us. It's

864
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and

865
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: we'll take your phone calls. Next and Grant Rising family.

866
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 1: Thanks you starting your week with us. And I guess

867
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: the Brother Sinclair Skinner's activists out of Washington, DC, is

868
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 1: also humanitarian, is also a businessman, is also a pilot.

869
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: As he mentioned, he's also a world traveler and we

870
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: travel with him vicariously. Just back from Europe, Asia and Africa.

871
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts You want to get in on

872
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: this discussion. Reach out to us at eight hundred four

873
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six. Bob's call us from Buffalo.

874
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: He has a question for Brother Sinclair's online to Grand Rising.

875
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 1: Bob your question for Brother Sinclair.

876
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 11: Yes, sir, blessed love, Thank you, Brother sin Clear. Hearing

877
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 11: me us takes us right along with you on your travels.

878
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 11: It makes you feel like I'm also a world traveler

879
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 11: listening to you.

880
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 6: Thank you for the.

881
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 11: Concept of tribal diversity. Also always often hear tribalism as

882
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 11: a weakness, and you present it as a strength, and

883
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 11: I love it, and it reminds me of the doctor

884
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 11: Kringa is saying that we have to have unity without uniformity.

885
00:48:58,840 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 7: All right.

886
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 11: Uh, when I hear you say the Chinese communists using

887
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 11: the term communist, do you think I think that limits

888
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 11: our conversation because when I think about the Russian communist

889
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 11: expression of communism, is that the same do you think

890
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 11: or similar? Or is there something different about that than

891
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 11: the Chinese expression of communism. I just want to say

892
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 11: thank you once again for sharing your travels with us.

893
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 11: It makes us feel like we're uh not stuck in

894
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 11: this place.

895
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 10: Uh.

896
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 11: And I think that we are a global African people.

897
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 11: Beyond African pan Africanism, we are global African people. So

898
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 11: I just want to say once again, thank you, Sarah.

899
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 11: I appreciate you.

900
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 7: I appreciate you.

901
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 3: Thank you.

902
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 7: I think now communism and then you can say about

903
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 7: Stalin or trouts key at these different And I'm not

904
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 7: a communist guru, I would say I think the culture.

905
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 7: European culture is problematic as it relates to being in

906
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 7: harmony and working collectively. I think I saw and have

907
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 7: seen with Asian culture the ability to work to collectively

908
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 7: is different. But I will say this out loud. If

909
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 7: you think about the Bolshevik Revolution in nineteen seventeen, Russia

910
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 7: was a bunch of poor, illiterate backward people that was

911
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 7: like potato farmers, and they had a tzar. They had

912
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 7: a king or whatever before that. If you look at

913
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 7: the development of the Soviet Union of Russia from nineteen

914
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 7: seventeen to nineteen sixty putting a satellite into outer space,

915
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 7: it's definitely compelling to say, whatever they did, and let's

916
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 7: call it forty years because this is round up nineteen

917
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 7: seventeen to nineteen twenty, and then say nineteen sixty. That's

918
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 7: and then they had a war where they lost a

919
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 7: huge population. You know, they always talk about the United

920
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 7: States and the ally powers being mostly you know, England,

921
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 7: but England had been by France, had been taken over

922
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 7: by Germany, so French weren't doing that much. It was

923
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 7: really the Russians that brow the brunt of the war.

924
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 7: In spite of that loss of population and what have you,

925
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 7: they went from nineteen twenty to nineteen sixty to put

926
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Speaker 7: a sputnik, and that came through a context of communism. Again,

927
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 7: all these isms are old, so I mean, I say

928
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 7: old are a few hundred years old. We should be

929
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 7: able to come up with something that surpasses that. I

930
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 7: think even when we talk about brother Julius Nerri out

931
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 7: of Tanzania, he had Oujama and it was a tie

932
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 7: into the collectiveness that we had. So I don't to

933
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 7: your point. I think I agree with you when you say,

934
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 7: you know, the word communist, it can actually cut off

935
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 7: the rest of what people are listening to. But to

936
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 7: have a culture where you're trying to make sure that

937
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 7: the resources of the people are there for the collective

938
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 7: of the people and not maximizing it for an individual

939
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 7: person that could acquire and hoard it, I think it

940
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 7: makes sense if you're trying to like go from zero

941
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 7: to one hundred to raise the floor. And I think

942
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 7: back then the Civil Union raised their floor in China,

943
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 7: they had the same problem after being devastated. You know,

944
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 7: we were talking about opium wars in the nineteen hundreds,

945
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 7: We talked about what happened with the Boxer rebellion in China,

946
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 7: the things that were debilitating the China, and then how

947
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 7: they were able to gather that from like nineteen forty

948
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 7: nine to the seventies when Mao died. They talk about

949
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 7: how their literatory rate went from like twenty percent to

950
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 7: like seventy five percent by the mid seventies, and that

951
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 7: was through a communist revolution. So again, I don't know

952
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 7: when you say communists to your point. It doesn't make

953
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 7: people start saying, well, oh wait, because there's so much

954
00:52:55,560 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 7: attached to that. But I think the Chinese this is

955
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 7: something about Japan. And I've been to Nakasaki and Hiroshima

956
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 7: because of what the United States did with these nuclear bombs,

957
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 7: Tyler bombs would call them. But I didn't know there

958
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 7: was a group of Japanese leaders that went to the

959
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 7: United States as a delegation to see what the US

960
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,959
Speaker 7: was doing in like the late eighteen hundreds, like after

961
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 7: the end of war of Civil War sixty five, right

962
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 7: so around like eighteen eighties. They went through the United

963
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 7: States and they were investigating US and peralism and the

964
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 7: treatment they and the things they were doing. They also

965
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 7: went through Europe and they went back to Japan and

966
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 7: they implemented some of the worst of the policies that

967
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 7: the US had taught them because they said they weren't

968
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 7: going to be victims of it. And there's a Japanese

969
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 7: imperalism that rivals in the US and we don't often

970
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 7: talk about. You know, it was well before Pearl Harbor

971
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 7: that there were issues between the Japanese and the United States,

972
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 7: And of course Pearl Harbor being Hawaii, which was in

973
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 7: the state at the time. What was the US doing

974
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 7: that far if you ever looked at it been in Hawaii,

975
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 7: it's far away from the United States. It's over like,

976
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 7: what does this have to do with anything? But my

977
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 7: point is I think there's a real, you know, interesting

978
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 7: interaction between China and even Japan today that's based on

979
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 7: the legacy that Japan tried to and did effectively colonize

980
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 7: parts of China and they're now you know, after the

981
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 7: end of World War Two, Japan didn't have a standing

982
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 7: army anymore, and now there's some friction going on with

983
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 7: Japan and China that I think is I'm mostly distracting

984
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 7: because that's kind of terminalizing, but also has you know,

985
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 7: connotation because even though Japan rose, you know, people used

986
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 7: to make fun of Japan, say, oh, that looked like

987
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,720
Speaker 7: it was in Japan. By the nineties, you know, Japanese

988
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 7: products had taken over. But now even the things that

989
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 7: I've worked in with the motorcycles and scooters, Yamaha, most

990
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 7: of the major brands in the in Japan offshore their work,

991
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 7: you know, almost like a NAFTA where they moved stuck

992
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 7: to Mexico, Japan moved things to China that it was

993
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 7: cheaper to manufacture, and now you know the biggest rival

994
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 7: you know, of course it is China, and they in

995
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 7: many ways surpassed even Japan. I think there's you know,

996
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 7: those are some of the nuances of conversation that you know,

997
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 7: when I say Europe versus China, there are some like nuances.

998
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 7: You know, is where does that lead Japan? How that's

999
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 7: going to impact the relationship with Taiwan. And I think

1000
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 7: all that stuff isn't anyway, It's interesting, But to your point,

1001
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 7: I think when you say communism, it just cuts off

1002
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 7: the conversation.

1003
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: And I agree with you, all right, are you talking

1004
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: about rival? Is different? Is between China and Japan. One

1005
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: that on the continent that's not really being talked about

1006
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: only in that era Zimbabwe and South Africa. Some people

1007
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 1: say xenophobic, and it's it's gotten pretty pretty pretty intense

1008
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: in the last few few months between the Zimbabweans pouring

1009
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: into South Africa, you know the term year terminology legal aliens,

1010
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 1: and not just Zimbabweans but Nigerians as well. The people

1011
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: going into South Africa to South African. South Africans are

1012
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: now I'm pushing back on that all kinds of different

1013
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: things are happening in South Africa. Are you hearing these

1014
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: stories when you go to Zimbabwe or South Africa, brother

1015
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: Saint Clair, Yeah, I mean I.

1016
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 7: Think that's been ever since I'd say two thousand. The

1017
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 7: sanctions is what really debilitated this when the Honorable Robert

1018
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 7: Gabareell Mugabi refused to send soldiers in to stop the

1019
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 7: veterans from taking over the land that had been stolen

1020
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 7: from them by the Rhodesians. When he refused, I mean,

1021
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 7: up until that point, you know, he was actually knight

1022
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 7: Rob mcgoby had been knighted by the Queen of England.

1023
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 7: But when he refused to submit to sending in soldiers

1024
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 7: to remove those veterans, he had marked hisself with somebody

1025
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 7: who wasn't going to allow himself to be used to

1026
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 7: harmless people, and they then made him a pariah. They

1027
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 7: actually started attacking them. And I really liked some of

1028
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 7: this Hugo child as in this Hemis and this you

1029
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 7: know so called Western Hemisphere where you see Venezuela take

1030
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 7: over their oil nationalized for the people and now Hugo

1031
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 7: child as is you know, you know, public enemy number

1032
00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 7: one to the United States and all the sanctions and

1033
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:05,919
Speaker 7: sabotage and economic espionage that they have gone through. South

1034
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 7: Zimbabwe has gone through it for over twenty five years,

1035
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 7: and Venezuela's maybe ten or fifteen years. And there's no

1036
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 7: country under uscension. This is we call it the violence

1037
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 7: of using the dollars for violence. There's no country on

1038
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 7: the US sensions for any length of time that has

1039
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 7: an economy that's flourishing. Now, even if economy as large

1040
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 7: as the Russia has said that they'd like to have

1041
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 7: sanctions lifted because of these issues, and they have a

1042
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 7: huge economy. Countries like Venezuela, they have ports which allow

1043
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 7: them to trade easier than Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe's landlocked as a

1044
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 7: small population of fifteen million people, and when you have

1045
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 7: put them on the sanctions, it's, you know, it's it's

1046
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 7: meant to cause, you know, uprisings that destabilize the government.

1047
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 7: And what's happened is because of these sanctions. Because let

1048
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 7: me just say this, because prior to the sanctions, Zimbabwe

1049
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 7: was thriving. After the sanctions, people from the Zimbabwe could

1050
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 7: no longer have the same economic opportunities, so they went

1051
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 7: to South Africa. And as you know, South Africa did

1052
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 7: not have a violent excuse, did not have a war

1053
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 7: of independence. Again, Zimbabwe had war independence, mozam Big had

1054
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 7: a war and independence. The Liby had a war. There's

1055
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 7: a difference when you have these wars. So what happened

1056
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 7: in South Africa. The Europeans were able to maintain control

1057
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 7: over all the infrastructure, so they literally and even in

1058
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 7: spite of all these things, Zimbabwe has had the highest

1059
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 7: level of literacy than all the African countries, even Nigeria.

1060
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 7: So literally when the sanctions hit, it hit their economy.

1061
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 7: Zimbabwe was still very safe when the Savis countries, not

1062
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:57,439
Speaker 7: the saviors live seen in China.

1063
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 8: But this darn safe.

1064
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 7: And what happens is that people flee Zimbabwe to South

1065
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 7: Africa for job opportunities. They don't flee because they're being

1066
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 7: oppressed from the government. They flee because there's no job opportunities.

1067
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 7: And I know in America and the United States, when

1068
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 7: we think of job opportunities, we think of the private sector.

1069
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 7: When we think of safety, we think of the public sector.

1070
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 7: But but you're here in Africa, they'll blame the government

1071
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 7: for no jobs. Well, the government has jobs being. There's

1072
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 7: a function of being a government employee. But as far

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Speaker 7: as the economy, when you're a country of that size,

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Speaker 7: you're really leveraging the private Excuse me, the private sector

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Speaker 7: is really a part of a global economy. And if

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Speaker 7: that global economy has told the world that you're sanctioned

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Speaker 7: and if you do business with them, you'll be heavily fined,

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Speaker 7: and all these other punitive things happen, well, now there

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Speaker 7: is going to be tough for people to get jobs.

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Speaker 7: And if the next door country is a country like

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Speaker 7: South Africa that the year Peans still control their economy,

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Speaker 7: they actually can get jobs, just like you hear about

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Speaker 7: here in the United States Mexico versus the United States.

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Speaker 7: The United States destroyed Venezuela, destroyed El Salvador and undermine Mexico.

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Speaker 7: That means what people are going to flee to a

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Speaker 7: place where they can get better jobs. There's not one

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Speaker 7: person in Zimbabwe or any place that dreams of one

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Speaker 7: day going somewhere to cut people's lawns and cleaning toilets.

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Speaker 7: So you can't tell me that there's a lesser people

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Speaker 7: that has dreams of one day cleaning toilet bowls. In America,

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Speaker 7: what happens is what we know is because of the

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Speaker 7: suppression these people who are going to these places for

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01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 7: opportunities so they can send money back to help their families.

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Speaker 7: No one just gives up their birthright to the land

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Speaker 7: as indigenous people because they want to do toilet bowl cleaning.

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Speaker 7: It's because somebody has done something to exploit and destroy them.

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Speaker 7: Zimbabwe has been under that same thing, but have never surrendered.

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Speaker 7: And this is what it looks like. You know, Iran

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Speaker 7: is going through the same issues.

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Speaker 3: You see the.

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Speaker 7: Protests.

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Speaker 6: Much of that.

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Speaker 1: I'm what I thought right there, Brother Sinclair, hold on,

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Speaker 1: and I'm glad you said that, Iran, because that's what's

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Speaker 1: going to be my next point. Iran's going through it,

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Speaker 1: Cuba's going through, Venezuela's going through it. It's a tactic.

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Speaker 1: So if when we come back, explain how that tactic

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Speaker 1: works destroy the local economy and then the people rise

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Speaker 1: up and then they're calling for a change. So explain

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Speaker 1: that when we get back eighteen after the top, they

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Speaker 1: our family, are you just waking up? Our guess is,

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Speaker 1: Brother Saint Clair Skinner, you want to join this conversation.

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Speaker 1: Reach out to us at eight hundred and four or

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Speaker 1: five zero, seventy eight, seventy six, and we'll take your

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Speaker 1: phone calls next and Grand Rising Family, thanks you starting

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Speaker 1: your week with us. Twenty minutes after the top, there

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Speaker 1: our guest, brother Saint Clair Skinner. Brother Saint Clair is

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Speaker 1: a DC activist. He's also a world traveler, a humanitarian,

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Speaker 1: and a businessman and a pilot and a visionary. So

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Speaker 1: before we left, it's on about some of the things

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Speaker 1: that you're hearing. When you hear these disturbances in these

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Speaker 1: countries are about the the the people rising up against

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Speaker 1: the government. There's a reason because the economy goes south.

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Speaker 1: And this is reason you mentioned the same bobwe the

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Speaker 1: tarffs that are put on the zam Babwe and we

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Speaker 1: see the same thing Cubans and Venezuela. So is there

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Speaker 1: a common denominator and we're seeing it now in Iran

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Speaker 1: as well? Is there a common denominator when all these

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Speaker 1: things happen?

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Speaker 7: Brother sainclear Yeah, absolutely, Again, this is one under tactics.

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Speaker 7: You know, they sometimes call it soft power, but you know,

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Speaker 7: instead of having some type of what they call it

1133
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 7: kinetic war, when they use violence directly with arms, they

1134
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 7: use the violence of the dollar. The dollar dominance is

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01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 7: getting us that hegemony that we talk about, where now

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01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 7: when global trade and the global economies use the dollar,

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01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 7: when the country that controls the makes dollars, which is

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Speaker 7: the only one who knows, the United States are reserve.

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Speaker 7: That's why they control these things. So even when you

1140
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 7: think about drug trafficking, human trafficking, or weapons trafficking, they

1141
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 7: use the dollar. They're not using a shows to sell drugs.

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Speaker 7: They sell and there's only one country that controls the dollars.

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Speaker 7: That's why you don't have to get too mystical who's

1144
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 7: actually complicit in all this? And that being said, the

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01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 7: same thing with sanctions as a form of violence, it's

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Speaker 7: an active war. If I tell you that no one

1147
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 7: can come in and do trade with you, and contextually internationally,

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Speaker 7: there's only one so called body that's allowed to do sanctions,

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01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 7: and that's the United Nations. Anything else is what they

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01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 7: call unilateral sanctions. Now, one of the parts that they

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01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 7: try to do to make it like clever, they say, well,

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Speaker 7: we're not sanctional country, we're just sentioning certain industries and

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Speaker 7: certain people. So when you sanctions a person, it's going

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Speaker 7: to be hard to know who that the person's name

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Speaker 7: is John Smith. That means everybody that walks in the room,

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Speaker 7: you're gonna have to say, what's your name?

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Speaker 12: Well, now you.

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Speaker 7: Sanction everybody, because now everybody has to be you know,

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Speaker 7: figured out who you are and which John Smith is it?

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 7: So literally, once a country is under sanctions, there's been

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Speaker 7: clever uh uh semantics and rhetoric, use propaganda and say

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Speaker 7: oh no, it's just targeted to certain individuals. But again

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Speaker 7: that certain individuals the president of the country. I mean,

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Speaker 7: now everything they touched now as it is pasadon and

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Speaker 7: on broad and you can't deal with it. Even when

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Speaker 7: we early on in Zimbabwe, there's a very you know,

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Speaker 7: important company in the cryptospace coinbase. We had a great

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Speaker 7: relationship and because Zimbabwe was under sanctions, but the particular entity.

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Speaker 8: That we were dealing with was not.

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Speaker 7: They still just the thought of the possibility of something

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Speaker 7: happening was too much of a risk for the General

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Speaker 7: Counsel's Office. Like even with a country, if one person

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Speaker 7: is under sanctions but not another one, but if the

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Speaker 7: next day to the United States wakes up and decides

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Speaker 7: to put sanction on this other person.

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Speaker 8: So when you start seeing these countries.

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Speaker 7: With you know, growing populations and trying to friend for

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Speaker 7: themselves under these sanctions, none of them have thriven economies.

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Speaker 7: Like you said, Cuba, who's been under a blockade for

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Speaker 7: sixty years, it's even worse now. It's even worse now.

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Speaker 7: And so when people talk about Venezuela and the relationship

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Speaker 7: with oil, it's for Venezuela was oil. It used to

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Speaker 7: be the former Soviet Union. They were trading oil for

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Speaker 7: a sugarcane, right, So once you start putting these sanctions on,

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01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 7: you're really covering their nose and mouth and then the

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Speaker 7: local population. I mean again, they just want to eat.

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Speaker 7: And this is now why hunger is used. And we

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Speaker 7: even talk about this as even in an activist world.

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Speaker 7: You know, when people are super happy, it's sometimes harder

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Speaker 7: to organize them. But when people are dissatisfied, and which

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Speaker 7: is what the reason that these sensions are being used. Now,

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01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 7: they're trying to overthrow the people close to them. They're

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Speaker 7: just looking out their windows. They're not looking at the

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Speaker 7: White House, they're not looking at the eye in that

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Speaker 7: they're not looking at any of these international body that

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Speaker 7: is looking out their window. And I'll even be in

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Speaker 7: some of these countries, they said, well, look at the government,

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Speaker 7: they got fancy cars. This problem is not caused by

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01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 7: fancy cars. This is a systemic thing where now you

1201
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 7: have the so called Western powers working collectively to cut

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Speaker 7: off these economies from the global reality that they need

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01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 7: to have access to. And then you have the neighboring countries.

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Speaker 7: With a country like Zimbabwe, since it doesn't have a

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Speaker 7: port like of Venezuela or Cuba, you can't even trade

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Speaker 7: with Zimbabwe without engaging another country. So now you got

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Speaker 7: their neighbors who again doing the revolutions, are very supportive,

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01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 7: but now there's issues that there's fallout that can come

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01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 7: out from them trying to be helpful. So sanctions are

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01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 7: have been used for that. But the overstepping of their

1211
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 7: sension regime was what happened with Russia. With Russia recently

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Speaker 7: with the same what happened is Russia has one of

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01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 7: the most you know, is one of the most energy

1214
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 7: producing countries in the world. Has all these resources. So

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01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 7: the bricks countries now are saying, you know what, the

1216
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 7: dollar is being used for violence and everything, and they

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01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 7: even now are confiscating money that they're now going to

1218
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 7: give to belligerents and a conflict because they have access

1219
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 7: to these banks with their money. It's now undermine the

1220
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Speaker 7: whole global economy because you these economies are based on trust.

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Speaker 7: You know, I put the money in the bank. I thought,

1222
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Speaker 7: as they'll be there. When the whole thing with the

1223
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Speaker 7: Swiss bank account that people always talk about, there was

1224
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Speaker 7: a level of you know, trust that you weren't gonna

1225
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Speaker 7: tell anybody, you weren't gonna take none of the money.

1226
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Speaker 7: But that money has been taken. And once you start

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Speaker 7: doing that, people are now looking for alternatives to the

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Speaker 7: US dollar. Now that's where you start hearing people talk

1229
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Speaker 7: about crypto. But crypto is not an a solution to

1230
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 7: that because one of the things they said that Madua

1231
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 7: was using is a crypto called tether, and Tether was

1232
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 7: a crypto that was said that for every one unit

1233
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 7: of their digital currency, there'd be one dollar in their

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01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:21,639
Speaker 7: bank account. So in some instances, people were trading tether

1235
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 7: like it was dollars. Well, the people who own tether

1236
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 7: were called by the US government allegedly and told to

1237
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 7: freeze those accounts, turn the money off. And it's easier

1238
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 7: to turn digital things off than something like gold unless

1239
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 7: but again we saw that happen with gold because again

1240
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 7: many of these countries thought it was safer to store

1241
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 7: their gold in Europe. But then when they run a foul,

1242
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:51,879
Speaker 7: they the Europeans want to steal their gold. They accused

1243
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 7: them of doing something bad, and then they said we're

1244
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 7: going to keep your gold because I said so so,

1245
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 7: and I'm a bitcoin maximus. You can't do that with

1246
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 7: big onin you can't just shut that off, but tether

1247
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 7: you could. So Again, it's the use of the dollar

1248
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 7: for violence, and that's what we've seen. That's what sanctions are.

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01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 7: If these are acts of when when was it Bush

1250
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Speaker 7: or Busher, Reagan? Mind the harbors of Nicaragua. That's an

1251
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 7: active war. You can't prevent another country unilaterally without the

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01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 7: United Nations from being able to trade like that's an

1253
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 7: active war. So these sanctions, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right here, brother sc Donald Trump has done that with

1255
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 1: impunity and nobody, nobody says it seems to be able

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01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:37,680
Speaker 1: to stop him. He says, the only thing that can

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01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 1: stop in his own morality. How do you explain that.

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01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 7: Is violence? Literally the control I mean, just like that

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01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 7: woman who's was the opposition party got a Nobel Peace Prize.

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Speaker 7: That I mean, she's advocating invasion. Like say, the whole

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01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 7: Nobel Peace Prize was the guy was supposed to be

1262
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 7: somebody who had invented some kind of diet and he

1263
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 7: felt so bad, so he wanted to pursue peace for

1264
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:07,719
Speaker 7: something weird. But literally, for someone to get the Nobel

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01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 7: Peace Prizes advocating invasions, it can't be that. This is

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01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 7: again it's been compromised. But so genocide, We're all against genocide,

1267
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:23,560
Speaker 7: but literally we've seen that momark Adafi being murdered, you know,

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Speaker 7: under Obama. That's so Trump has violated these things, but

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Speaker 7: he's not the first. There's probably not one US president

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01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 7: that didn't violate these international norms. That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 7: I think I think we need to say Trump is

1272
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 7: the devil. Fine, but if you look at the system,

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01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 7: the United States has never honored any of the Invading

1274
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 7: Iraq was illegal. You know, the genocide against the indigenous

1275
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 7: people here is illegal. Bringing us over here and justifying

1276
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 7: it was pseudosis and pseudo things like this, this thing

1277
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:04,560
Speaker 7: would started again. I don't want to think this is

1278
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 7: the truth. Australia, United States, Rhodesia, South These things were

1279
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 7: they built on breaking international norms, so and killing was

1280
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 7: raping and killing on the polished right.

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Speaker 1: And having said that, though, are you optimistic for us

1282
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 1: as a people looking after the future, for you as

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Speaker 1: a world traveler as well?

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Speaker 7: Yes, this is this behavior. The reason I'm trying to

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Speaker 7: make this point. It's not like this wasn't already what

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Speaker 7: we've now, we've heightened it to the point when I

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Speaker 7: was working with these young people with this Occupy Wall

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Speaker 7: Street to the brother comment before about saying communism. Whatever

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Speaker 7: you think about Occupy, you know what they did when

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Speaker 7: they said they made the lexicon the one percent for

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Speaker 7: the first time, I remember being something you could say

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Speaker 7: without being called a communist. The one percent a handful

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Speaker 7: of people controlling most of all the resources. That context

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Speaker 7: is very interesting to me. We've seen this forever. We

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Speaker 7: call it different names, there's different faces that are part

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Speaker 7: of it. But we just said Cuba's been under ambargo

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Speaker 7: for sixty years. Trump has not been president for sixty years.

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Speaker 7: So we've got to know that there's been consistency in

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Speaker 7: many of these things with levels of popularity or levels

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Speaker 7: of rhetoric. But Vietnam, like there's probably not one country

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Speaker 7: that's killed more people in the last sixty years than

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Speaker 7: the United States. I don't want that to be true.

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Speaker 7: But if we really look at what Afghanistan for twenty years,

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Speaker 7: like this thing about twenty years and having to live

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Speaker 7: through that, those people have never deserved that. You can

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Speaker 7: talk about Taliban's OPI know, you talk about the people

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Speaker 7: that grew up in the last twenty years. That was

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Speaker 7: just wrong and whatever God we prayed to got saw that.

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Speaker 7: So to talk about Trump is I think it's accurate.

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Speaker 7: But what Trump has done is literally elevated this madness

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01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:20,600
Speaker 7: to the point where people is in their face. You

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Speaker 7: can't you can look away, but you sinked it. Now

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Speaker 7: that you saw it, you saincd it. Now you can't

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Speaker 7: be an American right now and and not know that

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Speaker 7: genocide is taking place. That has been genocided in the

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Speaker 7: d r C. There's been genocides and and and uhhas

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Speaker 7: what's it. I can't think of Papua New Guinea, but

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Speaker 7: East Keymour There's been genocides throughout the world. While other

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Speaker 7: presidents were in office, we don't talk about those, but

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Speaker 7: now we know, like there's no it's gonna be hard

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Speaker 7: for an American to tell you about genocide and talk

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01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 7: about it, and then the asked the question to be

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Speaker 7: often or asked like what would you have done doing slavery?

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Speaker 7: What would you have done during the Holocaust, Because there's

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01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 7: a genocide going on right now, what are you doing? Well,

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Speaker 7: that's what you would probably do during slavery in hal

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Speaker 7: of fall, So stop it, like, let's not have fake conversations.

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Speaker 7: So I just think what Trump has done, he's elevated

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Speaker 7: the truth. He's a liar, path a logical liar, but

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Speaker 7: his activities have literally made people who were seemingly conspiracy

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Speaker 7: theorists you know the United States is behind U or

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Speaker 7: you know this is CIA. You say these things and

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01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 7: people are like, oh, you're just saying that because you

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01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 7: just don't like America. Now now you just look at

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01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:44,719
Speaker 7: us like it's blatant. I'm coming to take the oil.

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Speaker 7: We knew that black folks knew that it wasn't weapons

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01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 7: of masters destruction. We've been lied on in the United

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Speaker 7: States ever since they brought us here. So we know

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01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:56,840
Speaker 7: who the liar is. We know who the thief really is.

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Speaker 7: So now there's people because of the propagenough because they're

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01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:04,680
Speaker 7: dumb This is psychops psychological warfare being used to make

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01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:08,679
Speaker 7: people think one thing when it's the other. Trump has

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01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 7: violated so much of that that's more difficult now to

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01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,720
Speaker 7: put that genie back in the bottle. And it's apparently

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Speaker 7: and overtly the way that is, and I just think

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01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 7: there's no going back. I think it's gonna it's It

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01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 7: actually makes the change more rapid, which for those who

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Speaker 7: are anticipating in a new world that's better.

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Speaker 6: That may not be a it is what it is.

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Speaker 7: That's why I should say it like I don won't

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Speaker 7: say it the wrong way.

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Speaker 13: It is what it is.

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Speaker 1: Twenty six away from the town thing, I have some

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01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 1: folks want to talk to you. Brother Claire Jean's up first,

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01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 1: he's calling from Pike Spial He's online two Grand Rising

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Speaker 1: Gene and you're on brother sing Clear Spinner.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, Grand rising brother. It's alphad Noble And it's so

1358
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 14: funny because he is good at dynamite and then he

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01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:04,560
Speaker 14: helped to create T T and T so Guly. That

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Speaker 14: was funny when you met you know, you mentioned his

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Speaker 14: name and then a peace prize is named after him. Yeah,

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Speaker 14: they said, Larry has been okay, So have you you

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Speaker 14: ever heard the term what is it called? Oh man

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01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 14: bachelor's salary in Brhodesia in the gold mines, they would

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Speaker 14: take young men, especially and pay them a salary that

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Speaker 14: could not afford them, uh, the ability to bring their

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Speaker 14: families with them, you know, with you know, in those

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Speaker 14: work workplaces, work camps or whatever in the gold mines,

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Speaker 14: et cetera. In Brhodesia.

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Speaker 15: Uh.

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Speaker 14: I just wanted to, you know, ask you that question

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Speaker 14: because when you mentioned uh, South Africa, and I forget

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Speaker 14: the country that you said that where people go to

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Speaker 14: clean toilets, Uh, they are also paid this thing called

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Speaker 14: a bachelor salary where they can't afford anything other than

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Speaker 14: to you know, feed themselves basically. But but isn't that

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Speaker 14: what's happening in Washington, d Sorry, in Maryland and northern Virginia.

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Speaker 14: Also in reference to you know what the Trump administration

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Speaker 14: did when they laid off all the federal employees. Uh,

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Speaker 14: many of the people who work in Maryland are hired

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Speaker 14: by the government, and now these people are unemployed. And

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Speaker 14: then the only jobs are available all are these uh,

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Speaker 14: you know, bachelor jobs for men and literally in a

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Speaker 14: black community, you know, these jobs can't afford a man

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Speaker 14: the ability to support our family.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think Marley disagreement would be I think we've

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Speaker 7: had bachelor wages in our community forever. I think your

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01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:46,679
Speaker 7: point is well taken in a sense that it's they've

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Speaker 7: managed our communities this way. They made it so that

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Speaker 7: we had to leave our communities to effectively be in

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Speaker 7: another community to actually have any meaningful, you know, way

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Speaker 7: of living. So we flee our community. It's just like

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Speaker 7: again the point, our communities were purposely undermined so that

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Speaker 7: we were easier to be extracted and used to build

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Speaker 7: their community. So I think to your point, that's what's happening.

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Speaker 7: But I think as now people are more aware, Like

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Speaker 7: there was a time where we were blaming each other,

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Speaker 7: like literally right now. People know Trump took people's jobs

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Speaker 7: just a couple of days ago. I'm using it, I perpectly,

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Speaker 7: But just a little while back, not having a job,

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01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 7: they would just blame us, you know, black folks, lazy,

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01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 7: we're not doing But people know now that structurally there's

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Speaker 7: real people purposely taking the jobs away, and there's a

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Speaker 7: real consequence. I think with someone who was clear the

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01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 7: government was doing that already, the Trump the way he

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01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 7: does it and Elon Musk and these other white supremacists.

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01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 7: It makes it clear that it doesn't have to be

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01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 7: the KKK. You could just be any professional. It's not

1409
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:01,720
Speaker 7: David Duke. It don't somebody calls you a bad name.

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01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 7: It's people who are willing to propagate these these unsustainable

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01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 7: death life policy and they're.

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Speaker 8: Doing right there.

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Speaker 1: Brother Saint Clair got to step uside and check the news, trafficking,

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01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 1: weather at different season and we come back. Got some

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01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 1: more folks want to talk to you as well. Family,

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01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 1: you want to get in on this conversation with our guest,

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01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 1: that brother Saint Clair Skinner. Hit us up at eight

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Speaker 1: hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and

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01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 1: we'll taking phone calls. That's we check the news, traffic

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01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 1: and weather in our different cities. That's next and Grand

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Speaker 1: Rising family, thanks for starting your week with us at

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Speaker 1: fifteen minutes away from the top of the air. That guest,

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Speaker 1: the brother Saint Clair Skinner, as I mentioned, brother Sinclair

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01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 1: is entrepreneur, is also an activist out of Washington, DC.

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01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:41,720
Speaker 1: Is a pilot, it's a world traveler as well. It's

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01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 1: almost also a visionary. You like to speak to him

1427
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 1: reach out to us at eight hundred four or five

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Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six before we go back to

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Speaker 1: brother Sinclair. That just will remind you. Coming up later

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01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 1: this morning, going to hear from former FBI agent doctor

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01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:58,599
Speaker 1: Tyron Powers. Doctor Powers is gonna analyze the Minneapolis Ice

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01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:01,680
Speaker 1: shooting and also talk about Nicholas Maduro. And later this

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Speaker 1: week you're gonna hear from a chematologist, brother Tony Browner.

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01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:07,440
Speaker 1: Brother Tony's got a new book out that that chronicles

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01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 1: his forty year journey to Egypt. Also, investigative reporter Greg

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01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 1: Palace to join us from somewhere in the iber in Beninsula,

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01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 1: Madrid or Lisbon is there doing some reporting and he's

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01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 1: going to come back and tell us about because he

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01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 1: actually interviewed Hugo Chavez and Nicholas Maduro but even before

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01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 1: Maduro was president, So he's got a perspective on what's

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01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 1: going on in Venezela. He wants to share with us,

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Speaker 1: if that is all. We've also got him Dasta Arianna

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01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 1: Chimbombori Quah, but doctor Quail is going to join us

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01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:39,280
Speaker 1: as well. She says Africa's rising. She's got the receipts

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01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 1: to show as well, and also a Morgan State University professor,

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01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:44,640
Speaker 1: doctor ray Winbush, will be here. So we got a

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01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:46,719
Speaker 1: lot going on this week. So told all your friends

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01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 1: to keep the radios locked. If they're in Baltimore on

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01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 1: ten ten WLB. The in the DMV area, we're on

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Speaker 1: fourteen fifty WL. Brother Sinclair tweet call into the studio,

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01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 1: want to know do you have solutions? Before I take

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01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:00,080
Speaker 1: another call for you. They want to know if and

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01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:01,799
Speaker 1: if you can show up on the response. I appreciate

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01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 1: it as well. They say, do you have any solutions

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01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:05,000
Speaker 1: for Black America?

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I think the thing that we're doing and continue to

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01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 7: do better and proud of than anybody else, is continue

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01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 7: to work together. I think your show. I think what

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01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 7: we've done, in spite of what we've been through, is

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Speaker 7: a representation to the world like you don't have to surrender.

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01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 7: And we've never surrendered. We've not gone the way of

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Speaker 7: the Indigenous Americans. We've literally no matter what they've thrown

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Speaker 7: at us, we've been able to maneuver continue to move forward.

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Speaker 7: That the question is again, how long will this last?

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Speaker 7: I think this thing that called America, this experiment or

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Speaker 7: this enterprise, it's just hard to sustain it. And it's

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Speaker 7: not just about just black versus white. It's just a

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Speaker 7: handful of people that are benefiting. You know, whites are hurting.

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Speaker 7: You know, so many people hurting right now.

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Speaker 6: That is just more and more, and I.

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Speaker 7: Think it's unsustainable. Europe no longer makes anything in Europe.

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Speaker 7: They are literally again it's a Pozi scheme of using

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Speaker 7: the euro and the British pound and financial hubs, but

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Speaker 7: actually like making things. Even when we start talking about technology,

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Speaker 7: you know, they talk about Silicon Valley, and when you

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Speaker 7: talk about AI, you know, whatever they say, the Chinese

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Speaker 7: don't have deep Seek and what it does versus Open AI.

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Speaker 7: Deep Seek does it at a much lower price point.

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Speaker 7: And some of these evaluations of these evaluations of these

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Speaker 7: technology in Silicon Valley, some of that is not probably

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Speaker 7: based on fact. It's more speculation and fiction.

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Speaker 8: I just think, again, these systems are set up.

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Speaker 7: To extract for a handful of people. When I or China,

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Speaker 7: their policies are meant to make the world better and

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Speaker 7: make make China better for all of their people. As

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Speaker 7: Africans in America or Black Americans, we've been in a

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Speaker 7: system where we know the government wasn't going to help

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Speaker 7: us much longer than a system that we think it

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Speaker 7: might help us. So I just think we have survival

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Speaker 7: skills that we have that we don't acknowledge. That we're

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Speaker 7: told that we're not good enough, that psychological warfare being

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01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 7: thrown out of us. But they know we're amazing, and

1494
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 7: their days are numbered. Even population wise, the Chinese made

1495
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 7: a mistake with the one child policy, and now I

1496
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:45,840
Speaker 7: saw nothing but a bunch of strollers running around China.

1497
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 7: They know they made a mistake, it was wrong, and

1498
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 7: now they're you know again, they're having a deficit on workers,

1499
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 7: but they're not going to stay there like they made.

1500
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 7: You know, It's one thing if the United States or

1501
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 7: some of these entities saw what they doing is wrong,

1502
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 7: they don't think is wrong. They're tripling down, you know,

1503
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 7: they they stop digging. It sounds into it is, but

1504
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 7: when you're in a hole to stop, But once you're

1505
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 7: in the hole and you think the whole digging is

1506
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:18,800
Speaker 7: your thing, you might even dig faster. I'll get there quicker,

1507
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 7: you know. So I think in many ways, the system

1508
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 7: that we've been able to resist over all these decades

1509
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 7: and hundreds of years is a system that's going to

1510
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:32,599
Speaker 7: ultimately self destruct. And now the tools that we need

1511
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 7: to use is what is the world that we want

1512
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 7: to see? So the technology and organizing that I'm doing

1513
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 7: is about how do we reimagine the world. That's why

1514
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 7: when the brother said, when you say communism turns people,

1515
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 7: it need be perceived away, it was so right. I

1516
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 7: don't want to say communism because it might spook to

1517
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:52,719
Speaker 7: people that I want to work with. I'm saying, whatever system,

1518
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 7: whatever you want to call it, capitalism has run its course.

1519
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 6: This is what it does.

1520
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 7: Pollution, wealth, disparity, you know, global warming. This is the

1521
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 7: manifestation of a system that's failed. Right, So what failed

1522
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 7: the world but benefited a handful of people. Those handful

1523
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 7: of people is unsustainable. It's not going to last forever.

1524
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:18,679
Speaker 7: What world do we want to live in? Let's start

1525
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:22,680
Speaker 7: working towards that now. Let's not wait, Let's right now

1526
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 7: create and begin to develop relationships. Let's not start talking

1527
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 7: about Pan Africanism when all falls apart. Let's talk about

1528
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 7: ways that we can reconnect. Just talk about ways that

1529
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 7: in spite of our tribal differences, let's look at our

1530
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 7: diversity as a positive. What are the positive things. What's

1531
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 7: the power in it. Let's do that now, because they've

1532
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 7: used divide and rule against us often. We don't want

1533
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 7: this new multi polar world, this bricks world. We don't

1534
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:54,720
Speaker 7: want to be divided. We want to be together. So

1535
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 7: we can do things now to actually start the process

1536
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 7: of being repaired for the new world that's bound to happen.

1537
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 7: I'm not going to say when because that can be

1538
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:08,560
Speaker 7: scaries to people, but literally, you know that this is

1539
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 7: not working. Let's start working together to create something better

1540
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:13,600
Speaker 7: to replace it.

1541
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:16,680
Speaker 1: All right? Hold up though right there it makes I

1542
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:18,400
Speaker 1: got a bunch of folks want touch you. Eight after

1543
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 1: eight minutes away from the top of the Actually, Tyrone's

1544
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 1: reaching out to us. He's in Baltimore. He's on line

1545
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:25,880
Speaker 1: three Grand Rising. Tyron. You're with brother Sinclair Skinner.

1546
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, Ran Rosa cal and Brother u s Skinner. I

1547
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 5: think you have And that's an analysis as far as

1548
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 5: people think that the reason or trying to pretend like

1549
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 5: the reason that we don't have anything is that black

1550
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 5: people are lazy. I've had arguments with peoplebout the Korean

1551
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 5: stores being in our neighborhoods, and I tried to explain

1552
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:48,639
Speaker 5: to them that after the Asian Immigration Actor of nineteen

1553
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 5: sixty five, which a lot of a lot of men,

1554
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:53,639
Speaker 5: but they wouldn't give black people homes the better credit

1555
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:55,400
Speaker 5: that white people would get it to destory, but they

1556
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 5: would give the loans to Koreans fresh off the boat.

1557
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:00,080
Speaker 5: So a lot of stuff is, as you said, for

1558
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 5: a lot of Suther's engineered not just like gay get gay,

1559
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 5: but by the professionals in the government, like you know

1560
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 5: as why as redlining and things like that. But what

1561
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 5: I was I did have a question for you with

1562
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 5: regard to the fact that we've been financing a tax

1563
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 5: cuts for the rich for the past fifty years and

1564
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 5: going into debt to do it. That's why we don't

1565
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 5: have U medic care for all and all kinds of things.

1566
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 5: This things can be directed by by simply taxing the

1567
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:26,640
Speaker 5: rich at a fair amount.

1568
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 7: But we refuse to do it.

1569
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 5: So what's going and I believe what you're saying what's

1570
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:33,680
Speaker 5: gonna eventally happen is we're going to come off the

1571
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:37,439
Speaker 5: dollars of reserve currency and the bricks laid company on currency.

1572
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 5: Maybe the Africans will underto suret.

1573
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:41,240
Speaker 7: That's why there's some.

1574
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 5: Anxious to kill people like Adoppy. But I want you

1575
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 5: to explain what we'll happen when the government becomes insolvent.

1576
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 5: Because the fact that we are the reserve currency of

1577
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 5: the world allows us to print money out to the air.

1578
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:55,760
Speaker 5: A lot of people realize that power, and these nations

1579
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:57,679
Speaker 5: are getting tired of the dollar beate used as a weapon.

1580
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:00,679
Speaker 5: So the bricks has become more and more power powerful.

1581
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 5: They control more GDP than the G seven. So if

1582
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 5: they decide to have their own currency, please explain what

1583
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:10,640
Speaker 5: will happened if the dog comes as saw it.

1584
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:16,479
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think your point is the first point. I

1585
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:20,560
Speaker 7: think actually is the point of all of it. You

1586
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 7: talked about how taxing the rich, and you talked about

1587
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:26,680
Speaker 7: the fact that they can print all the money. So

1588
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 7: I think the truth is it's not that we don't

1589
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 7: have universal health care because they don't have the money.

1590
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:38,160
Speaker 7: I mean, they've just been having these aircraft carriers standing

1591
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:41,160
Speaker 7: outside in the Caribbean and not one time anyone talk

1592
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:44,519
Speaker 7: about how much that costs. It can't be free and literally,

1593
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:47,680
Speaker 7: so that's a lot of money being spent. Yet the

1594
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 7: truth is what you said, we have a money printing machine.

1595
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 7: It's not we literally Princess. The reason why there's not

1596
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:58,360
Speaker 7: universal health care is because the people who control our

1597
01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 7: government they call the state cap sure, don't want it

1598
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:02,479
Speaker 7: to be. It's not that we don't have the money

1599
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 7: in the United States, because it's the reserve currency makes

1600
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 7: as much money as it wants, and it get paid

1601
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:11,120
Speaker 7: for any We were in Afghanistan for twenty years, Bro,

1602
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 7: that's a lot of money. You don't even know, Like,

1603
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:14,760
Speaker 7: we don't even talk about how.

1604
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 9: Much it was.

1605
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:20,719
Speaker 7: It's crazy. So literally, what took place in Venezuela's recently

1606
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 7: or what took places going on and got all of

1607
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:25,720
Speaker 7: this is fasting money. None of this is Weapons are

1608
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 7: extensive and they're only good for one thing, so I mean,

1609
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:32,360
Speaker 7: good gracious, and they still got bullets. That means somebody's

1610
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:35,760
Speaker 7: making them and somebody's paying for it with dollars that

1611
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:37,600
Speaker 7: they can make out us in air. And that's the

1612
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:39,680
Speaker 7: only reason I'm saying that to you is that if

1613
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:44,640
Speaker 7: they choose the tax or not, if the people who

1614
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 7: control our government wanted us all to be healthy and

1615
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:53,840
Speaker 7: be able access to shelter, food, and clothing, it's possible.

1616
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:58,439
Speaker 7: It's just not only possible, of course, absolutely possible, but

1617
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:01,720
Speaker 7: they don't want it. And again that's so that a

1618
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:04,639
Speaker 7: certain group of people who maintained control of a massive people,

1619
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:08,599
Speaker 7: because if everybody had these resources, then maybe it would

1620
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:11,599
Speaker 7: have to be a meritocracy, because people who can eat

1621
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:14,720
Speaker 7: and have all they needs taking care of aren't going

1622
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 7: to tolerate a government this wicked. But the way they

1623
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:21,880
Speaker 7: do it to me and you is that they put

1624
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:24,639
Speaker 7: us in a sense of scarcity. I need to keep

1625
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 7: this job just longer so that I can see that it's.

1626
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:28,839
Speaker 9: Not We're not idiothing.

1627
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 7: They always try to make it like we're somehow dumb

1628
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:34,799
Speaker 7: or participating. We literally want to take care of our family.

1629
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 10: That's not wrong.

1630
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:40,479
Speaker 7: That's the family predates capitalism, communism. The first thing was

1631
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:44,000
Speaker 7: mama and daddy. And then mama had a baby that

1632
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:47,680
Speaker 7: she didn't eat, that she kept and nurtured and sacrificed for.

1633
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 7: So when people tell me the world is the dark

1634
01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:53,240
Speaker 7: wearing their daring thing where it's survival, the fit is

1635
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:55,439
Speaker 7: the baby can't take care of itself. No one eats

1636
01:31:55,479 --> 01:31:58,640
Speaker 7: the baby, they take care of it. I think this

1637
01:31:58,720 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 7: stuff is unnatural that we that's why it's also unsustainable.

1638
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:05,680
Speaker 7: So again I think when you say how does this

1639
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 7: end When the dollar no longer has its value, the

1640
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:13,920
Speaker 7: people that own our government will have less power, and

1641
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:17,880
Speaker 7: then there be other powers outside of the US. That's

1642
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:21,559
Speaker 7: the multi polar thing that may not have the same

1643
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 7: value system. Even when people talk about China when it

1644
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 7: was at the top of the top of its power,

1645
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 7: it built walls. It didn't go around the world colonized

1646
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:37,920
Speaker 7: and everybody everybody. We've normalized the white supremac ideology to

1647
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:41,760
Speaker 7: say everybody's like that. I don't get I might be

1648
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:43,799
Speaker 7: these these are things the world. I don't think everyone

1649
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:46,000
Speaker 7: is like that. I've been all over the world. Most

1650
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 7: people don't want to bother nobody. They just want to

1651
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 7: do their thing, take care of their family, hang out

1652
01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:54,320
Speaker 7: with their old lady, with their family, have a tea

1653
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:57,679
Speaker 7: or a beer, and watch some football like most people

1654
01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:01,280
Speaker 7: eat alka outport. It are the Those places are favelas

1655
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:06,719
Speaker 7: and what's the slum and keberra and case. Most people

1656
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:11,360
Speaker 7: in those areas have a higher character because when you

1657
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:14,520
Speaker 7: don't have money, what they judge you on is your behavior.

1658
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:18,040
Speaker 7: So I've probably seen the fact that when people were poor,

1659
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 7: they were better. I won't say better people. I'm not

1660
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 7: trying to touch money, or you should be poor, you

1661
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:25,479
Speaker 7: shouldn't have money. I have money. But my point is

1662
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 7: I think the world is not what we right now.

1663
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:31,360
Speaker 1: Hold that thought right there, Brother Sinclair, we still got

1664
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:32,720
Speaker 1: some fush want to talk to you. But my question,

1665
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:35,880
Speaker 1: I'll let you respond when we get back. If we

1666
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:38,280
Speaker 1: know this what you say, doesn't the government know this?

1667
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:40,560
Speaker 1: What plans do you think they have? I'll let you

1668
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:42,320
Speaker 1: respond to that when we get back. Two minutes away

1669
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 1: from the top, hay, I found it. We got to

1670
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:45,559
Speaker 1: check the traffic weather in our different cities. I guess

1671
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:47,639
Speaker 1: this brother Sinclair Skinner, you'd like to speak to him,

1672
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:49,240
Speaker 1: reach out to us at eight hundred and four or

1673
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:51,920
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six. I'm gonna take a

1674
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:54,960
Speaker 1: phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting

1675
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:57,240
Speaker 1: your week with us. I guess his brother Sinclair Skinner

1676
01:33:57,360 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 1: moment tell you we're going to speak with doctor Tyrone Powers.

1677
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 1: But question for you, brother Saint clear, is the fact

1678
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:05,280
Speaker 1: that what you said, especially what you said about bricks,

1679
01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:07,880
Speaker 1: we know all about that. So does the Donald Trump.

1680
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:10,040
Speaker 1: So's all the other folks in this country know about it.

1681
01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:12,880
Speaker 1: In fact, Trump has a threatened them. He says, if

1682
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:15,000
Speaker 1: they decide if they come up with a new currency

1683
01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:17,360
Speaker 1: or back a new currency, create a new currency, or

1684
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:20,160
Speaker 1: anything to replace the dollar, they're going to face one

1685
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:23,479
Speaker 1: hundred percent times. And he said he's going to go

1686
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:25,600
Speaker 1: after them real hard if they do come up with

1687
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:29,559
Speaker 1: another currency or they support another currency other than USD

1688
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:33,599
Speaker 1: your thoughts about that, Yeah, I think.

1689
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:39,320
Speaker 7: The people that control our politicians know, so I think

1690
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:42,840
Speaker 7: they are making subtle moves. So just as much you

1691
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:48,080
Speaker 7: might hear Trump say things, the tricky part is that

1692
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 7: they'll use him as a mouthpiece and then they'll use

1693
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:54,840
Speaker 7: our tax dollars in government the implement, but they may

1694
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:58,680
Speaker 7: not tell us what the real agenda is. I think

1695
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:02,040
Speaker 7: you know, people follow black Rock. You know there are

1696
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:08,679
Speaker 7: companies that financial companies that control other companies, and they're

1697
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:12,080
Speaker 7: the ones that benefit from when the United States tries

1698
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:16,400
Speaker 7: to run China out of the Panama Canal. Who's controlling what?

1699
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:21,360
Speaker 7: Who benefits from the oil. So again, I think you're

1700
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 7: right that they know. But the tricky part is they've

1701
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:32,040
Speaker 7: now spent a lot of money building something and lots

1702
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:36,400
Speaker 7: of energy keeping that thing in place. They're going to

1703
01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 7: try to hold on to investment, and it's going to

1704
01:35:40,040 --> 01:35:42,200
Speaker 7: end up being too late to get out of it.

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01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:46,639
Speaker 7: That's what I say. I think because they've benefited so much,

1706
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:51,120
Speaker 7: there's a level of a sense of superiority that they like.

1707
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:53,800
Speaker 7: I don't try to like to convince people that what

1708
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:57,040
Speaker 7: racism is anymore at this age. If you really believe

1709
01:35:57,080 --> 01:35:59,760
Speaker 7: with those ridiculous things, you deserve what happens to you.

1710
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:02,280
Speaker 7: I don't here to work with those who understand the

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01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:03,280
Speaker 7: truth of these days.

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01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:10,160
Speaker 1: Because yeah, we're racing the clock and Kashiba has a

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01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:12,040
Speaker 1: let'll take one more call, Fee, it's just the Kashiba's

1714
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:15,200
Speaker 1: calling from Silver Spring. She's on line five. Just the Kashiba.

1715
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:23,240
Speaker 1: You're with the brother Saint Clair Skinner. Just the Kashiba there.

1716
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:26,720
Speaker 1: I think hear me, Yes, I can hear you.

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01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:28,400
Speaker 9: Now go ahead, Okay.

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Speaker 16: You always amaze me with the type of guests that

1719
01:36:31,439 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 16: you bring onto your show. Great show again today, Carl.

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01:36:37,479 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 16: For your guests, I want to know what sources such

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01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:49,240
Speaker 16: as books, websites, substract things to read watch to develop

1722
01:36:49,320 --> 01:36:52,799
Speaker 16: a mind such as yours. I know you're a world traveler,

1723
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:58,080
Speaker 16: so I know you've seen a great deal of the world,

1724
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:01,640
Speaker 16: But what are you reading on a regular basis, what

1725
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:07,360
Speaker 16: are you watching? And lastly, do we need to just

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01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:13,240
Speaker 16: leave the United States in order for our hopes of real,

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01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:19,840
Speaker 16: true freedom uh to be to be realized as a people?

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01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:26,760
Speaker 7: All Right, I think she's already winning by listening to

1729
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:31,599
Speaker 7: Carl Nelson's show. So that's one. I think. What I've

1730
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:34,160
Speaker 7: read recently, and then I was listening to you and

1731
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:37,280
Speaker 7: Kevin talking about I want to say read they're listening

1732
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:42,120
Speaker 7: to is Black Reconstruction in America from WV.

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01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:42,759
Speaker 1: The Boys.

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01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:46,240
Speaker 7: I've been going back over that, like, I tried to

1735
01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:48,720
Speaker 7: read through it as a book stick and it's a

1736
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:51,240
Speaker 7: lot so I read it once before that it took

1737
01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:54,439
Speaker 7: me a while, but recently with my travels, I actually

1738
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:59,360
Speaker 7: had the Black Reconstruction in America by w EV the Boys.

1739
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:03,720
Speaker 9: I just bought How to Hide.

1740
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:08,599
Speaker 7: An Empire, a History of of Greater United States Empire

1741
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:14,720
Speaker 7: of AI, Dreams and Nightmares in Sam Altman's by Karen Howe,

1742
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:19,639
Speaker 7: which is I think a good good read. Ralph Ellison

1743
01:38:19,800 --> 01:38:24,000
Speaker 7: Invisible Man uh and one of the books they never

1744
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:26,400
Speaker 7: really got out there a lot going into the New

1745
01:38:26,520 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 7: Territory or something. I just just picked up another good

1746
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 7: book that I think is relevant The Age of Surveillance

1747
01:38:33,200 --> 01:38:37,560
Speaker 7: Capitalism by Shoshana.

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01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 6: Of z you U z u b o f F.

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Speaker 7: I think on YouTube and and uh X. Simon Dixon

1750
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:55,400
Speaker 7: somebody who invested uh IN in uh IN tech early

1751
01:38:55,479 --> 01:38:59,759
Speaker 7: in the in the UH tech space, and who supported

1752
01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:04,760
Speaker 7: US and Simon Dixon into European uh but has a

1753
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:09,040
Speaker 7: lot of good understanding of how the financial economy works,

1754
01:39:09,240 --> 01:39:13,080
Speaker 7: and he's former bank person. But Simon Dixon as a

1755
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:16,400
Speaker 7: is a person that I listen to and follow on

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01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:24,920
Speaker 7: on X and uh YouTube and then RT. I listened

1757
01:39:25,240 --> 01:39:32,480
Speaker 7: on X, I follow RT. That's ruction today, say Ed Muhammad,

1758
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:36,880
Speaker 7: who's out of Iran, I follow his stuff. Who else?

1759
01:39:38,680 --> 01:39:42,760
Speaker 7: There's a CGT in America. There's a bunch of things.

1760
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:45,160
Speaker 7: I think it's a great question. I've thought about. Tell

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01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:48,640
Speaker 7: as your English. I follow that. There's a lot of

1762
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:51,280
Speaker 7: those things. So I think you're right, though you're reading

1763
01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:55,200
Speaker 7: and keeping up. I like social media stuff. That the

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01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:58,880
Speaker 7: Cradle is good because they give the information that's independent

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01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:03,680
Speaker 7: of the CNNs and the Foxes and BBC. So I

1766
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:06,479
Speaker 7: still might brew some of those other things, but these

1767
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:09,439
Speaker 7: independent sources allow me to kind of like just pose

1768
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:10,840
Speaker 7: the information against each other.

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Speaker 1: All right, brothers and clairefour, We'll let you go. How

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01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:16,560
Speaker 1: can folks reach you? How can they follow you?

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01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:20,200
Speaker 7: Yes, fans, I want to. We're literally we launched the

1772
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:24,120
Speaker 7: app last month, I Love Black People Save Places. We

1773
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:28,679
Speaker 7: now are taking on ambassadors remote. It's just a little

1774
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:31,720
Speaker 7: stipend five hundred dollars a month, but they have to

1775
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:34,360
Speaker 7: be at a guardian level on the app our app

1776
01:40:34,439 --> 01:40:37,840
Speaker 7: as a beginner advocate guardian so you understand how the

1777
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:41,120
Speaker 7: app works, so you understand how the community works. We

1778
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:44,680
Speaker 7: definitely are looking now for ambassadors to spread the good

1779
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:48,080
Speaker 7: news of the I Love Black People app. You can

1780
01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:50,799
Speaker 7: go to I Love Black People dot com to catches

1781
01:40:51,400 --> 01:40:53,640
Speaker 7: at I Love Black People dot com, infut I Love

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01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:56,519
Speaker 7: Black People dot com. Our phone number is two of

1783
01:40:56,680 --> 01:41:00,320
Speaker 7: two five five eight five one four three two O

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01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:04,120
Speaker 7: two five five eight five one four three is our

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01:41:05,400 --> 01:41:10,000
Speaker 7: US number and definitely would want you to come support

1786
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:11,800
Speaker 7: what we're doing, spread the good news.

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01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:12,439
Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 7: We're also about to launch a news uh a nonprofit

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01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:20,400
Speaker 7: called Greenwood Labs. To talk about that next time. But yeah, Paul,

1790
01:41:20,479 --> 01:41:21,639
Speaker 7: we're rocking and rolling.

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01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:25,000
Speaker 1: We ain't joking, that's right, And I'm sitting around waiting

1792
01:41:25,080 --> 01:41:27,360
Speaker 1: for somebody else for a hand out, just doing it yourself.

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01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:28,160
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

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01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:30,600
Speaker 7: They're not love, They're not coming. Whatever we do, we

1795
01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:32,639
Speaker 7: know they're not coming. You know, if you're waiting, that's

1796
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:34,200
Speaker 7: on you. But no, they're not coming.

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01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:38,280
Speaker 1: They're not coming. It's on us. We're good family.

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Speaker 7: Thank you graank God love.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, thank you, that's brother seeing clears. Let's

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Speaker 1: get a half the tops. Turn attention there on. Next guest,

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Speaker 1: doctor Tyrone Powers, Doctor Palers, Grand Rising, welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the program.

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Speaker 9: Thank you and thank you for having me on call.

1804
01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:56,040
Speaker 9: Is always enlightening and learned so much, and come on

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01:41:56,200 --> 01:42:00,320
Speaker 9: early and listen to the guests, and then just in

1806
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:03,679
Speaker 9: your show in general that it brings so much enlightenment

1807
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:07,440
Speaker 9: and with some solutions because people are confused and confounded

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01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:10,000
Speaker 9: as they addressed this chaos that's going on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think that's deliberate though at Doctor Palace

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01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:15,160
Speaker 1: they deliverly trying to confuse us.

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Speaker 9: Well, I think it can only confuse us if we

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01:42:21,240 --> 01:42:25,479
Speaker 9: haven't prepared and looked at history. You know, Malcolm X,

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01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:28,759
Speaker 9: the student have the honor of Elijah Muhammad said history

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01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:32,120
Speaker 9: is best qualified to reward our research, and what we're

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01:42:32,240 --> 01:42:35,760
Speaker 9: watching today is being done in a different way, but

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01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:39,200
Speaker 9: it's not different. It is the history of this particular

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01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:43,320
Speaker 9: nation across the world. And your last guest was talking

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01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:47,479
Speaker 9: about some of that. I mean President Nixon, what is

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01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:52,160
Speaker 9: but president Trump is doing in Venezuela. President Nixon, in fact,

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Speaker 9: there's a documentary called The House of Sard He told

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01:42:55,720 --> 01:42:58,559
Speaker 9: the Saudi's at the time that either they would sell

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01:42:58,680 --> 01:43:01,880
Speaker 9: us or at the price that we set, or that

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01:43:02,240 --> 01:43:05,040
Speaker 9: he would invade them and take their or. As a result,

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01:43:05,160 --> 01:43:09,040
Speaker 9: the Saudi Arabia and the United States began this relationship.

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01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:12,360
Speaker 9: It's not a relationship by choice, it's by force. Go

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01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:15,559
Speaker 9: back to the Nixon administration. So you have military basis there.

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01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:18,439
Speaker 9: Now you have the Saudi saying nice things. You have

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01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:23,040
Speaker 9: this reciprocal relationship and almost the protection for the Saudis

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01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:26,200
Speaker 9: against Israel. Which is why the Saudis, despite all of

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01:43:26,280 --> 01:43:29,559
Speaker 9: their money and all of their wealth, have never discussed

1831
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:33,559
Speaker 9: the development and creation of nuclear weapons because essentially they

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01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:37,800
Speaker 9: signed that deal with Nixon and the military of the

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01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:41,800
Speaker 9: United States. It becomes almost like a satellite state. Even

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01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:46,960
Speaker 9: though they're independent. The amount of military basis, the US

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01:43:47,080 --> 01:43:49,519
Speaker 9: presidence in Saudi Arabia is remarkable, but it goes back

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01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:53,200
Speaker 9: to Nixon threatening them either to sell there or at

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01:43:53,240 --> 01:43:58,639
Speaker 9: a reduced price or risk of military excursion an invasion,

1838
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:04,280
Speaker 9: So I think it chaotic if you don't know which

1839
01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:07,160
Speaker 9: is intentional. The history of this nation and the things

1840
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:08,840
Speaker 9: that have occurred in the past, and the way this

1841
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:11,040
Speaker 9: is carried out. I think I mentioned to you before

1842
01:44:11,680 --> 01:44:16,680
Speaker 9: what is happening now internationally with Venezuela and Nigeria and

1843
01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:20,360
Speaker 9: other places. The threat that Trumps are making and in

1844
01:44:20,479 --> 01:44:24,919
Speaker 9: many cases carrying out is a duplication of the Eisenhower doctrine,

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01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:28,000
Speaker 9: where the Dulles brothers decided they were going to declare

1846
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:30,639
Speaker 9: war on the world, but not in the conventional sense,

1847
01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:35,639
Speaker 9: not in a sense where you actually had this all

1848
01:44:35,720 --> 01:44:38,200
Speaker 9: out military battle, but they were going to use the CIA,

1849
01:44:38,280 --> 01:44:40,120
Speaker 9: they were going to activate them. So that's how they

1850
01:44:40,200 --> 01:44:43,680
Speaker 9: killed Patresa Muma infiltrating his inner circle like they did

1851
01:44:43,760 --> 01:44:47,160
Speaker 9: in Venezuela. That's why they did all of the regime

1852
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:51,360
Speaker 9: changes in Latin America before. Who wouldn't support the corporations

1853
01:44:51,439 --> 01:44:54,639
Speaker 9: like Chiquita Banana, and so they sent the CIA down

1854
01:44:54,680 --> 01:44:58,240
Speaker 9: there to top and overthrow those governments and the issues

1855
01:44:58,280 --> 01:45:01,800
Speaker 9: we had in Iran before, which being duplicated now was

1856
01:45:01,880 --> 01:45:06,479
Speaker 9: the Central Intelligence Agency, unluckily from a historical standpoint, and

1857
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:09,400
Speaker 9: all that's been published about how they overthrew their government before,

1858
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:14,280
Speaker 9: how they infiltrated gangs, how they started fires and protests

1859
01:45:14,360 --> 01:45:17,639
Speaker 9: in the street that had the regime removed, and then

1860
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:21,320
Speaker 9: once that regime was removed, the citizens realized they'd been duped,

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Speaker 9: and then you had another Iranian revolution, which is the

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Speaker 9: one that Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan was involved in

1863
01:45:27,160 --> 01:45:31,160
Speaker 9: in the nineteen seventy so history, you know, there's a

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01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:33,760
Speaker 9: biblical statement that said, there's nothing new under the sun.

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Speaker 9: I think the best countermeasure that they've done to keep

1866
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:41,400
Speaker 9: us from being able to put in countermeasures is to

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01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:42,280
Speaker 9: keep us ignorant.

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Speaker 6: You know.

1869
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Speaker 9: Pol Pot and the Kme Rouge and Cambodia said that

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01:45:46,479 --> 01:45:48,720
Speaker 9: he wanted to kill all the educated people. He killed

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01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:51,400
Speaker 9: millions of people. He said, we can leave the uneducators alive,

1872
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:56,600
Speaker 9: he said, but educated people will never allow for what

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Speaker 9: I'm about to do.

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Speaker 17: So in his courage.

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Speaker 9: There was a movie about it called The Fields. He

1876
01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:03,960
Speaker 9: sent his people out to kill everyone who had an education,

1877
01:46:04,120 --> 01:46:06,840
Speaker 9: everyone who was breeding, everyone who's intelligence, either killed them

1878
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:08,799
Speaker 9: or put them in fear, which we are seeing today

1879
01:46:09,200 --> 01:46:12,479
Speaker 9: throughout the United States. And then only the ignorant would

1880
01:46:12,479 --> 01:46:15,160
Speaker 9: be left, and the ignorant would do whatever he said do.

1881
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:17,160
Speaker 9: He could send them to the factories, he can make

1882
01:46:17,200 --> 01:46:21,120
Speaker 9: them workers, he could subordinate them, but his specific order.

1883
01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:23,080
Speaker 9: And all this is written in history, and all this

1884
01:46:23,240 --> 01:46:27,519
Speaker 9: is available for our perusal. He said, kill all educated people.

1885
01:46:28,120 --> 01:46:32,880
Speaker 9: And it matches ideally or identically what happened during the

1886
01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:36,599
Speaker 9: days of slavery in this country. And they forbid blacks

1887
01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:40,040
Speaker 9: to read or right, because you know, Frederick Douglas said,

1888
01:46:40,040 --> 01:46:42,400
Speaker 9: once you learn to read, you will be free because

1889
01:46:42,439 --> 01:46:45,280
Speaker 9: there's certain things you will understand, certain measures you can

1890
01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:47,519
Speaker 9: put in place, and you won't be so much in fear.

1891
01:46:47,960 --> 01:46:51,960
Speaker 9: You will be more strategic and create countermeasures to what

1892
01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:53,800
Speaker 9: you're seeing and what you're doing. So they've done a

1893
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:56,840
Speaker 9: great job in our public education system, even in our

1894
01:46:57,000 --> 01:47:00,880
Speaker 9: HBCUs of controlling the doctrine in your Last Call and

1895
01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:04,080
Speaker 9: mentioned Invisible Man in the book Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison,

1896
01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:07,439
Speaker 9: with the president of a HBCU said that I'm my

1897
01:47:07,720 --> 01:47:11,720
Speaker 9: job is really through the main character out of the HBCU.

1898
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:14,960
Speaker 9: So my job is to teach you what I'm supposed

1899
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:17,680
Speaker 9: to teach you according to the white people, and that

1900
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:20,200
Speaker 9: for that you will be educated. But you will be

1901
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:23,879
Speaker 9: educated within and not without. That's in the book Invisible

1902
01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:25,920
Speaker 9: Man by Ralph Ellison, a very powerful read.

1903
01:47:27,120 --> 01:47:29,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I read that book sometime ago seventeen alf the

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01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:31,000
Speaker 1: top there. Oh, come on, hundred break. Mike in DC

1905
01:47:31,160 --> 01:47:33,040
Speaker 1: has a question for you, but also want to talk

1906
01:47:33,080 --> 01:47:35,280
Speaker 1: about when we get back as well, talk about the Saudis,

1907
01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:39,040
Speaker 1: because you mentioned the deal, why the Saudis have not

1908
01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:43,560
Speaker 1: still you know, still recognizing the US dollar USD for

1909
01:47:44,160 --> 01:47:46,000
Speaker 1: the order they call now the petro dollar. But now

1910
01:47:46,280 --> 01:47:48,559
Speaker 1: they've been flirting with Bricks. I want to get your

1911
01:47:48,600 --> 01:47:50,439
Speaker 1: thoughts if they're going to join Bricks because Bricks is

1912
01:47:50,520 --> 01:47:53,800
Speaker 1: thinking about creating a new currency, an alternative to the dollar,

1913
01:47:53,800 --> 01:47:56,000
Speaker 1: and Donald Trump has threatened the entire Bricks group. So

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Speaker 1: if they do that is going to hike tariffs on

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Speaker 1: them one hundred percent and it's not going to be nice.

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Speaker 1: So I want to get all that in when we

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Speaker 1: get back. Family, you two can get in on this

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Speaker 1: conversation with our guest. His name is doctor Tyrone Powerce.

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Speaker 1: He's written a book, by the way, called Ice to

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Speaker 1: My Soul, The Rise or Decline of a Black FBI Agent.

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Speaker 1: You got a question about what's going on today, reach

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Speaker 1: out to us at eight hundred four or five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls.

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Speaker 1: Next and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting you a

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Speaker 1: week with us. It's twenty one minutes after the top

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Speaker 1: of that with our guest, the former FBI agent Tyrone Powerce.

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Speaker 1: You got a question about what's going on today, This

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Speaker 1: is the person you need to speak to, and you

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Speaker 1: can reach them at eight hundred four or five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six. Mike's been home for a while.

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Speaker 1: Mike is in calling from Washington, DC. Thanks for being

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Speaker 1: so patient with us, Mike, your question for doctor Powers.

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Speaker 6: Good morning, mister Nelson and mister Kevin, mister Powell, and

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Speaker 6: just there was a topic I was gonna talk about

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Speaker 6: for the last success of tact top jump on this too.

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Speaker 6: Mister Powell. You know that intervening born federal government investigation

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Speaker 6: is against the law. You know that. You know that's

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Speaker 6: that you you're an expert at that, and what these

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Speaker 6: people are doing intervening and ice operations. Intervenient is against

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Speaker 6: the law, and they have these things called ice watch

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Speaker 6: academ I see watched the people volunteer and then they've

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Speaker 6: been trained to use their cars block ice were trying

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Speaker 6: to arrest people and stuff like that. The situation that

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Speaker 6: happened in Minnesota, the young lady got shot. You look

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Speaker 6: at the video for six hours. Six hours. She instigated

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Speaker 6: and aggravated the police officers and they were trying to

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Speaker 6: do that job here that they had a warrant and

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Speaker 6: targeting this particular person, and she did this. She blocked

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Speaker 6: Trump and everything and jump ahead a little bit. What

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Speaker 6: they should start doing, you know, just give them large tickets.

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Speaker 6: They can I'm not sure you can answer that question,

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Speaker 6: like unlike police officers, you know, and state troopers they

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Speaker 6: can give, you know, moving violations to stuff like that.

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Speaker 6: But hopsell was give them like three or four hundred

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Speaker 6: dollars that would deter that. But this lady instigated the

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Speaker 6: entire our thing. Also, what happened in Portland, they had

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Speaker 6: a target thing and situation where the person used the

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Speaker 6: vehicle dinner's weapon and they had a target going after

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Speaker 6: these two people. They were doing human trafficking and what

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Speaker 6: was a tempt and tell us so many people of

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Speaker 6: going out trying to like sympathope with these these gangsters

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Speaker 6: and people are here legally. That's one of the.

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Speaker 1: All right, Mike, uh, let's give it. Let's give doctor

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Speaker 1: Pals a chance to thank you, Mike, thank you for

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Speaker 1: your questions. Yeah, Mike, Yeah, Mike, listen on listen on life.

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Speaker 6: Thank you documents. Kevin, the mister Delton, thank you very much.

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Speaker 9: All Right, Well, my gangle is interesting because as you know,

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Speaker 9: obviously there shouldn't be violence involved in these particular protests,

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Speaker 9: but civil disobedience to say that, you know, we were

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Speaker 9: moving up on Martin Luther King's birthday and the law

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Speaker 9: prohibited Martin Luther King and the civil rights workers from

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Speaker 9: protesting from marching down the street, from crossing the Salma Bridge,

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Speaker 9: and how they simply followed that, then we would be

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Speaker 9: in a bad place today. So the concept, the ideal

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Speaker 9: of civil disobedience, protesting against police brutality with ball khanas

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Speaker 9: whether it was in Selma, Alabama and any other state,

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Speaker 9: born to Chicago and protesting and walking the streets and

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Speaker 9: mega EVAs and so on and so forth, and all

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Speaker 9: those people protesting and an act of civil disobedience have

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Speaker 9: been part of the history that have helped us to

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Speaker 9: make progress. So I don't have a problem with them

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Speaker 9: participating in protests. They're not interfering in actions. You can

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Speaker 9: protest that. That's what the civil rights movement was about.

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Speaker 9: If you look at the history of the civil rights movement,

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Speaker 9: it was called civil disobedience. Disobedience meaning that we are

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Speaker 9: not going to obey with doctor King declared, since we

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Speaker 9: were moving up on his birthday, unjust wars. In fact,

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Speaker 9: his famous statement, as our lives begin to end the

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Speaker 9: day we become silent about things that matter, So he

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Speaker 9: was all for civil disobedience. Protests have been a part

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Speaker 9: of this nation. One. Two, you're not necessarily interfering with

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Speaker 9: federal actions that have a protest against their actions, which

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Speaker 9: you're on the face of it seem extremely illegal. You know,

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Speaker 9: this shooting that occurred in Minneapolis, and Trump administration and

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Speaker 9: the Department of Justice said, well, it's going to be

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Speaker 9: a federal investigation and we're not going to share information

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Speaker 9: with the local jurisdiction. So that's an easy remedy. And

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Speaker 9: this is why I love being on your show call,

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Speaker 9: because all they need to do, all the family need

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Speaker 9: to do with all these lawyers that we have is

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Speaker 9: follow a civil suit against them for wrong for death.

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Speaker 9: Then under Brady versus Maryland or under the discovery rooms,

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Speaker 9: they have to turn over the information they have on

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Speaker 9: the investigation so you can carry out your lawsuits. So

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Speaker 9: then it becomes more than a battle between the federal

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Speaker 9: government and the local of them. It becomes a battle

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Speaker 9: between Trump administration and the courts. Because the court says

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Speaker 9: that if someone files the civil suits and they get

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Speaker 9: to the point where the judge is allowing it to

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Speaker 9: go forward because you're charging excessive force or unjustified force,

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Speaker 9: then the other side gets the ability to ask for discovery,

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Speaker 9: and in the course of that discovery, they get to

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Speaker 9: get everything everything about the person who fired the shots. Background,

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Speaker 9: They get to get everything about the policies and practices

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Speaker 9: of that agency. You have to turn them more over

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Speaker 9: to them so they can follow the so they can

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Speaker 9: follow the so they can participate in the lawsuit is

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Speaker 9: being filed in court. The discovery rules required it. So

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Speaker 9: there's more than one way to skin a cat. And

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Speaker 9: this should be the brilliance of our Black lawyers and

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Speaker 9: our civil rights lawyers in these particular cases, immediately file

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Speaker 9: a civil rights case, because if he's forbidding the local

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Speaker 9: government saying you won't get federal funds, he can't forbid

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Speaker 9: a lawyer who files a civil suit from getting the

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Speaker 9: discovery and the information on this case. Secondly, I've always

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Speaker 9: said this, and I think we've talked about this before.

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Speaker 9: Black organizations need an independent investigation apparatus anyway, or organizations,

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Speaker 9: so you can conduct your own investigation. Now, let's say

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Speaker 9: that the federal investigation exonerate these guys, you can file

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Speaker 9: your own You can conduct your own investigation, publish the

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Speaker 9: results of that investigation, give it to the public, give

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Speaker 9: it to the NAACP and all these other organizations, so

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Speaker 9: that the only investigation and the only outcome of an

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Speaker 9: investigation won't be the one that come from the government.

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Speaker 9: We saw that in the Kennedy assassination, where you had

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Speaker 9: the ware commissioned investigation, but you had other entities that

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Speaker 9: conducted their own investigation of that incident. So at least

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Speaker 9: the public have an alternative from expert investigators who look

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Speaker 9: into this particular matter and say this is a successive force.

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Speaker 9: This was unnecessary. This is inconsistent with policy practices, so

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Speaker 9: on and so forth, because it's a common statement, and

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Speaker 9: I serve as an expert witness on numerous use of

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Speaker 9: force case for police officers say I feared for my life.

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Speaker 9: But the courts have said something different in the major

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Speaker 9: Supreme Court case of Grand versus Connor and a more

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Speaker 9: recent Supreme Court case that it has to be a

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Speaker 9: little bit more than that. It is the totality of

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Speaker 9: the circumstances that we get to lay out. If we

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Speaker 9: are going to decide that it was justifiable force or

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Speaker 9: accessive force, you get to lay out the entire circumstances

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Speaker 9: of the incident. So at the very least, at the

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Speaker 9: very least, this administration and the Department of Justice would

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Speaker 9: have to release all the information to explain the totality

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Speaker 9: of the circumstances. So there are things that we can

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Speaker 9: do in these particular situations. Decides being angry upset along

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Speaker 9: with protesting, which is our constitutional right, which is what

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Speaker 9: led to what many of the advances that the middle

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Speaker 9: class blacks enjoyed the day was the civil rights movement

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Speaker 9: and civil disobedience. Not necessarily just because the governments say

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Speaker 9: you can't come out and protest us. You don't go out.

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Speaker 9: Remember again, we're heading up on doctor King's birthday. The

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Speaker 9: movement that he was involved in was a civil disabute,

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Speaker 9: we will not subscribe to and participate in unjust war laws.

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Speaker 9: And that movement became international, so much so that he

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Speaker 9: ended up getting in the World Peace Prize for a

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Speaker 9: disobedience movement. So I would disagree from that standpoint. I

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Speaker 9: don't suggest violence, I don't, but I do think that

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Speaker 9: you have to monitor, watch the government. All the way

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Speaker 9: back to the very racist so called founder Thomas Jefferson.

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Speaker 9: He said that the greatest threat to Americans was not

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Speaker 9: a murderer of rapist or a robber, it was the

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Speaker 9: government itself. And he said the people have to maintain

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Speaker 9: a watch over their government because that is the most

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Speaker 9: most likely that's where a government will be come from

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Speaker 9: a democracy or a republican is what we are, and

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Speaker 9: not really a democracy, from a republic into a dictatorship.

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Speaker 9: And that was Thomas Jefferson. So you can't be anti

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Speaker 9: patriotic if you're quoting the patriots of this particular country

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Speaker 9: who said monitor your government, who gave you the right

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Speaker 9: to peachful protest protests in the First Amendment to the Constitution,

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Speaker 9: you can't be anti government or anti what people are

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Speaker 9: doing if you will say you believe in Martin Luther

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Speaker 9: King Jr. As you approach his birthday, and he talked

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Speaker 9: over and over again about civil disobedience. When they tried

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Speaker 9: to keep him from doing the protests, whether they were

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Speaker 9: in Selmo, whether they were in Montgomery, or whether they

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Speaker 9: were in other places, they say the law doesn't allow

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Speaker 9: and he got locked up because they say, you're evaluating

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Speaker 9: the law by having these particular protests. And then doctor

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Speaker 9: King came back and said, if they send you to jail,

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Speaker 9: go to jail. Turn that from a dungeon of shame

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Speaker 9: into a a den of justice and equality. So those

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Speaker 9: things that are happening today are consistent with what we've

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Speaker 9: done historically, and especially as we approach doctor King's birthday,

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Speaker 9: many of us should understand that, as I said earlier

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Speaker 9: in the first part when we had this discussion, the

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Speaker 9: lack of understanding history and the lack of connecting the

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Speaker 9: dots in history is where we are not able to

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Speaker 9: come up with certain solutions. We are angry, we're emotional

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Speaker 9: about it, and that's when we should be angry. But

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Speaker 9: emotion isn't angry, it's not a solution. And then after

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Speaker 9: we get angry about it about the shooting that happened

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Speaker 9: in Minneapolis, because if it happened there, it'll happen over

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Speaker 9: and over again. The recent video where the ICE agent

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Speaker 9: said to the lady, you people should learn from what

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Speaker 9: happened the other day. If we don't stand up against that,

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Speaker 9: if we don't say something about that, if we don't

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Speaker 9: come up with strategies, like a civil lawsuit that allows

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Speaker 9: us all the documents are so associated with the federal investigation,

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Speaker 9: by law, it requires that they turn that over to

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Speaker 9: us in the discovery process. If we don't come up

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Speaker 9: with strategies, and we just going to be a bunch

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Speaker 9: of angry people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Twenty nine away from the tough air doctor Tyren

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Speaker 1: powss I guess the family retired FBI agent doctor Powers though,

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Speaker 1: but of JD. Vance says that the ICE official ICE

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Speaker 1: agent was a federal war is a fairly employee. Also,

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Speaker 1: he says that he's granted absolute immunity. The federals who

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Speaker 1: shot the lady in Minneapolis granted immunity, So how does

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Speaker 1: that compart with what you're saying about finding.

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Speaker 9: The civil with two things. You're suing the agency and

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Speaker 9: you're suing them for not properly training their offices and agents.

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Speaker 9: And let me say this, I'm not saying the outcome

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Speaker 9: will be in your favor. I'm saying you'll get the

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Speaker 9: documents and the investigation and the details of the investigation.

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Speaker 9: You'll get discovery materials because you're suing the agency, even

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Speaker 9: if you add the officer to it, and he has

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Speaker 9: immunity in this particular case because he's a federal agent,

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Speaker 9: which is not completely true. Because as an FBI agent,

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Speaker 9: I had to get a million dollar policy to protect

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Speaker 9: myself against lawsuits in case we were sued for excessive

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Speaker 9: force and so on and so forth. The agency suggested

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Speaker 9: that the Special Agents Association, which is a kind of

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Speaker 9: semi quase a union for special agents in the FBI,

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Speaker 9: requested or ask agents to get these million dollar policies

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Speaker 9: to protect ourselves against lawsuits. But let's say you sue

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Speaker 9: the agency and you're saying that, Okay, the officer if JD. Vans,

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Speaker 9: want to argue this argument, and let's say he says

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Speaker 9: that the agent had immunity. You're saying, we're suing the

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Speaker 9: agency because they didn't properly train him. So he want

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Speaker 9: the training documents of ICE to show how they train

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Speaker 9: their officers. How do they train them and use of force?

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Speaker 9: How are they training we're dealing with or stopping a vehicle?

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Speaker 9: How do they train them in reassessing after they shoot?

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Speaker 9: This woman was shot multiple times? All use of force training,

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Speaker 9: I don't care where you do it, whether it's at FLEXI,

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Speaker 9: which is the Federal Center for Training Federal Officers, or

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Speaker 9: Chronicle Virginia with the DA and the FBI. Trade says

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Speaker 9: that you shoot to stop, you don't shoot to kill.

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Speaker 9: So after your shot, if the thread is no longer present,

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Speaker 9: then you can't keep shooting. So he would have to

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Speaker 9: even explain that. So what I'm saying is the outcome

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Speaker 9: may not be in the favor of the citizens, but

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Speaker 9: they would have to detail their thinking and that detailing

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Speaker 9: of their thinking, how it is consistent or inconsistent with policy?

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Speaker 9: Did they stop? Did he stop shooting? Did he reassess

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Speaker 9: the situation? Did he try to avoid contact? Because de

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Speaker 9: escalation policies and training for federal offices, which ICE is

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Speaker 9: a part of who train that FLEXI says that you

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Speaker 9: have to de escalate, which means you should move out

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Speaker 9: of the way of danger if you can. We want

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Speaker 9: those policies given out to the public, not just for

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Speaker 9: this particular situation, because clearly this is happening and more

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Speaker 9: than Minneapolis is happening with black people every day across

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Speaker 9: the city, state, nation, and country, with local state agencies

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Speaker 9: and federal agencies. But at least that process of going

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Speaker 9: through this and it's okay, he has immunity, but we

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Speaker 9: are saying that he wasn't trained properly. We're suing the

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Speaker 9: people who train the ice officials. We're issuing FLEXI Center,

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Speaker 9: who train officers, and we want to see what they're training.

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Speaker 9: And in fact, if you wanted to do that, you

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Speaker 9: could go to their website now and go Use of

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Speaker 9: Force Training for FLEXI, which is the Federal Law Enforcement Center,

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Speaker 9: and see exactly what their policies in training are when

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Speaker 9: they come to use of force, even when dealing with

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Speaker 9: stopping a vehicle. So we want them to have to

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Speaker 9: give explanations. And if you've ever been involved in a

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Speaker 9: court case, cases sometimes settle out of court, but then

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Speaker 9: the process leading up to that settlement. One side in

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Speaker 9: the other asks for discovery, because what they're trying to

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Speaker 9: say is if this go to trial, we're going to

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Speaker 9: reveal all of this. So during the discovery process they say,

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Speaker 9: we want the training records for the officer who is

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Speaker 9: involved in the shooting, because even if we can't sue him,

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Speaker 9: we want to say the trainers that the academy didn't

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Speaker 9: train them properly, that the training policies need to be trained,

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Speaker 9: that the curriculum needs to be changed and it needs

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Speaker 9: to be enhanced, that the de escalation policy needs to

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Speaker 9: be changed. So there's other things that you get out

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Speaker 9: of the legal process that doesn't ness necessarily into the

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Speaker 9: outcome you want, but it may prevent this from happening. Again,

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Speaker 9: that's the strategies you have to put in place. And

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Speaker 9: I understand the anger. I really do understand the anger.

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Speaker 9: There's no reason for someone to lose their life in

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Speaker 9: this particular situation.

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Speaker 10: And get me.

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Speaker 9: I've trained police officers, I was a federal agent myself.

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Speaker 9: There was no reason for this woman in leader or life.

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Speaker 9: But at the very least take it a part step

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Speaker 9: by step. Did he reassess after the first shot, what

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Speaker 9: made him feel that she would steal a threat after

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Speaker 9: the first shot. Now, even if they argue, which is

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Speaker 9: an illogical argument if you're looking at the video presentation,

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Speaker 9: but even if they argue that did he stop and

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Speaker 9: assess consistent with use of force training and firearms training,

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Speaker 9: after the first shot, what was the second shot for?

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Speaker 9: What was the third shot for? Because accessive force cannot

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Speaker 9: necessarily happen just when you take the first shot. If

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Speaker 9: you take a second shot, you can say that the

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Speaker 9: second shot was excessive, even if the first shot was. Yes,

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Speaker 9: the fact, those are the kind of things that you

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Speaker 9: can bring out in the kind of legal actions that

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Speaker 9: you take. But again, it has to be more than anger.

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Speaker 9: We've got all these lawyers. We have brilliant lawyers across

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Speaker 9: this country who handle wrongful death lawsuits. We've seen it

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Speaker 9: over and over again in cases, and they can pursue this.

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Speaker 9: And if the court's pushed back, then at least try it.

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Speaker 9: Try a strategic move rather than a rhetorical move and

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Speaker 9: speeches and presentations.

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Speaker 1: All right, we come from and break, let me come

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Speaker 1: back though. We got a bunch of folks, got questions

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Speaker 1: for you. But also my question to you is is

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Speaker 1: that standard training the officers in front of an automobile

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Speaker 1: in a car to stop the car. And two, how

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Speaker 1: do you explain the fact that he fired he was

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Speaker 1: shooting of this woman and he still had the ability

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Speaker 1: to turn on his cell phone and take a picture

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Speaker 1: of what was going on. I'll could you address that

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Speaker 1: as well when we get back, Family, Youtubo can join

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Speaker 1: our conversation with doctor Tyrone Powers. Doctor Powers is a

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Speaker 1: retired FBI agent is now a college profession. This book

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Speaker 1: is called Ice My Soul, The Rise or Decline of

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Speaker 1: a Black FBI Agent. Do you want to join this conversation,

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Speaker 1: reach out to us. Telephone number is real simple, it's

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Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six

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Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone calls next and grand rising family,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for starting your week with us, and I guess

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Speaker 1: the doctor Tyrone Powers. Doctor Powers is a retired FBI

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Speaker 1: agent and as mentioned, keep mentioning this book. It's a

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Speaker 1: great book. It's called Ice to My Soul, The Rise

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Speaker 1: or Decline of a Black FBI Agent. Before we go

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Speaker 1: back to you, let me just remind you come up

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Speaker 1: later this week. Some of our guests include chematologist Tony

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Speaker 1: browder TONI also has a new book out, the chronicles

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Speaker 1: his forty year journey to Egypt. Also, investigative reporter Greg

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Speaker 1: Palace is going to stop buying somewhere in the Iberian Peninsula,

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Speaker 1: either in Madrid or or Lisbon. But he's going to

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Speaker 1: share his you know, his reports on Hugo Chavez and

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Speaker 1: Nicholas Maduro. He interviewed both of them. He in fact,

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Speaker 1: he knew Nicholas Madure before it became president of Espresso.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna be interesting conversation. Also, Ambassador you and have

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Speaker 1: Ambassador Au. Ambassadors you say, Adriana Chiambardi Quad. It's going

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Speaker 1: to be really the ladies said G seven meeting in

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Speaker 1: South Africa. They said that Africa is rising, Africa is

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Speaker 1: the future. She's been saying that for years, so she's

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Speaker 1: gonna be here. Co signed that. Morgan State Professor doctor

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Speaker 1: Ray Wimbers. You'll also check in, so if you are

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Speaker 1: in Baltimore, make sure you keep you radied locked in

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Speaker 1: tight on ten ten WLB, or if you're in the

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Speaker 1: DMV the Washington, DC metropolitan area on fourteen fifteen w L.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Powers. Back to my question about training, because you

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Speaker 1: said you trained officers. Yes, Is that a standard procedure

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Speaker 1: for them to get in front of the car the

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Speaker 1: vehicle instead of going to the side. And why why

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Speaker 1: couldn't he shout out the tires or something to stop her?

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Speaker 1: And why can't they just let it go? And Chaser,

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Speaker 1: is that required that the headshot the kill shot and

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Speaker 1: take her out?

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Speaker 9: Your thoughts, well, two things. Know that you're absolutely right,

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Speaker 9: and that's why I think it's so important that from

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Speaker 9: a legal standpoint, we get a copy of their particular policies,

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Speaker 9: and I think some of them you can get directly

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Speaker 9: from Flexi's website. You can actually go for their useful policy.

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Speaker 9: Not only do they have the use for a policy,

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Speaker 9: they've had training videos on Flexi's website, which is the

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Speaker 9: federal law enforcement agency that does the training and Georgia

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Speaker 9: for a federal office including ICE. You're absolutely right. You

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Speaker 9: don't stand in front of a vehicle. You de escalate

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Speaker 9: the situation and remember each shot and is the use

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Speaker 9: of force, So you can actually dissect them separately from

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Speaker 9: the first shot to the second shot if you argue,

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Speaker 9: which I don't think you can in this particular case

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Speaker 9: based on what I've seen so far that the first

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Speaker 9: shot was justified, then you have to justify the second shot,

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Speaker 9: the third shot. You have to justify not immediately because

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Speaker 9: training dictates that you immediately render medical aid, not necessarily

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Speaker 9: wait for medical aid to come. But the police officers

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Speaker 9: and the ice agents are trained to immediately administer medical aid.

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Speaker 9: Did that happen or did it not happen? So to

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Speaker 9: dissect this particular case step by step, from him being

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Speaker 9: in front of the vehicle, from the shots e five,

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Speaker 9: from whether they was the escalation techniques, whether he had

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Speaker 9: to do it at the time that he did it.

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Speaker 9: All of that needs to be dissected in a very

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Speaker 9: logical and strategic way, even as we are emotionally engaged

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Speaker 9: in the fact that someone lost their life. Remember, all policing,

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Speaker 9: whether it's on the federal level, state, local level, is

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Speaker 9: supposed to be interested in the sanctity of human life.

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Speaker 9: So the number one thing is to preserve human life.

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Speaker 9: And that preservation of human life applies for the police officer,

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Speaker 9: the victim, or the perpetrator. So your objective in any

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Speaker 9: confrontation or any engagement is a sanctity of human life.

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Speaker 9: So it has to be extraordinary. Extreme situations for you

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Speaker 9: to justify using deadly force and then using it multiple times,

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Speaker 9: because remember, it's not just the first shot that whether

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Speaker 9: that was deadly forced or not, it's whether the second

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Speaker 9: shot was it deadly? Was that excessive? Did the first

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Speaker 9: shot accomplish what you thought you were going to accomplish,

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Speaker 9: If that's your justification, was the third shot necessary? Because

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Speaker 9: police officers are trained to reassess to see if whatever

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Speaker 9: actually they took initially mitigated the danger or the situation

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Speaker 9: which they say that they perceived at the time they

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Speaker 9: took that first set. And to answer your again, to

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Speaker 9: go back to your first question more directly, Oh, you're

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Speaker 9: absolutely not trained to be in front of a vehicle.

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Speaker 9: You're absolutely trained and tactical measures and then there's crossfire.

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Speaker 9: There's all contactical measures that could come out if you

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Speaker 9: pursued this in a civil matter. Again, even if he

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Speaker 9: has absolute immunity for the police officers. Okay, so now

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Speaker 9: we want to talk about the agency. Now, we want

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Speaker 9: to talk about the training. Now we want to talk

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Speaker 9: about misfeasans and mouth seasons and the way they trained

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Speaker 9: the particular office or the way they put them on

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Speaker 9: the street. At the very least we were again to

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Speaker 9: dissect this so beyond it's important to look at it

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Speaker 9: as the tragedy of this particular incident. But beyond the

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Speaker 9: tragedy of this incident, it's an opportunity to bring this

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Speaker 9: information to the why the public for all police shootings

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Speaker 9: and all engagement of this type, what should officers be doing?

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Speaker 9: I mean, the Supreme Court ruled and Graham versus Connor

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Speaker 9: on what has to happen and the use of force cases?

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Speaker 9: They weren't they were talking about the case of Graham

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Speaker 9: and Connor, but because it's the Supreme Court, they was

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Speaker 9: addressing all use of force cases across the nations. So

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Speaker 9: they're not governed by what the Department of Justice decide

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Speaker 9: or whether the Attorney General decide. They're governed by case

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Speaker 9: law in terms of when is forced excessive, necessary and justified.

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Speaker 1: And one more question for it take the cause you

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Speaker 1: mentioned too, they're supposed to render aid. Who was understood

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Speaker 1: that some of the agents were there were blocking the

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Speaker 1: emergency medical folks who were coming to help this woman.

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Speaker 9: Is that's against policy? The policy says that you even

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Speaker 9: if it's a perpetrator of a crime. I was said,

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Speaker 9: as an expert witness in a casion Prince George's County,

2345
02:10:58,240 --> 02:11:01,720
Speaker 9: even if you were the officers to an individual to

2346
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Speaker 9: the ground and he ended up being paralyzed from the

2347
02:11:04,160 --> 02:11:08,280
Speaker 9: neck down, and even by policy of every agency, even

2348
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Speaker 9: by the Department of Justice best practices policy, after you

2349
02:11:12,400 --> 02:11:15,360
Speaker 9: take that action, because remember it is not your position

2350
02:11:15,520 --> 02:11:18,200
Speaker 9: to take a human life. Is your position to stop

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02:11:18,280 --> 02:11:21,680
Speaker 9: an action to preserve life. So immediately after you stop

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02:11:21,760 --> 02:11:25,280
Speaker 9: the threat or what you perceive as a threat or

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Speaker 9: what you articulate was a threat, your job then is

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Speaker 9: to preserve human life. The goal is a sanctity of

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02:11:31,240 --> 02:11:34,040
Speaker 9: human life. This is not a military operation. Remember we

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02:11:34,120 --> 02:11:36,760
Speaker 9: had the Posse Comma Tatis Act, which says we cannot

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Speaker 9: use the military and the civilian population. The reason why

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02:11:39,640 --> 02:11:43,080
Speaker 9: that act was passed was for this very situation. Because

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02:11:43,360 --> 02:11:46,160
Speaker 9: police officers are supposed to be trained that the sanctity

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Speaker 9: of human life is first and foremost, not necessarily putting

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Speaker 9: someone down or killing someone. So even if you can

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Speaker 9: say I need I used justified force because this was necessary.

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02:11:56,840 --> 02:12:01,800
Speaker 9: Immediately after that, once the threat is abated, you'll be quiet,

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02:12:01,920 --> 02:12:05,440
Speaker 9: and you are trained, is it is neglect of duty.

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02:12:05,520 --> 02:12:09,720
Speaker 9: You are trained to immediately render aid, not to You

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02:12:09,760 --> 02:12:12,400
Speaker 9: could call the EMTs, you can call for medical help,

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02:12:12,600 --> 02:12:14,520
Speaker 9: you can see if there's a doctor president, But the

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02:12:14,680 --> 02:12:18,760
Speaker 9: officer involved or the other officers there are required by

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Speaker 9: their training and by policy to immediately administer aid because

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Speaker 9: the goal is sanctity of human life. You can't be

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Speaker 9: the judge jury and the executioner. Police officers get to

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02:12:32,200 --> 02:12:35,760
Speaker 9: make the arrest. There's a quow process, the court gets

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Speaker 9: decide the sentence.

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Speaker 6: You can't.

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Speaker 9: You can't be the judge, jury and the executioner. Your

2376
02:12:40,920 --> 02:12:42,760
Speaker 9: goal is the sanctity of human life.

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Speaker 1: All right? Interested tape on that for take I just

2378
02:12:46,160 --> 02:12:48,080
Speaker 1: want to mention this to somebody. You're sent me this information.

2379
02:12:48,200 --> 02:12:52,480
Speaker 1: Collins Suntana. It's just said that she's one of his relatives,

2380
02:12:52,520 --> 02:12:54,680
Speaker 1: and his family's gonna announce if they will cover all

2381
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Speaker 1: their funeral expenses because she's related to him. So he

2382
02:12:58,040 --> 02:13:00,160
Speaker 1: was doing a concert and he mentioned that that the

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Speaker 1: woman who got shot uh in Minneapolis. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: let's let's go take the calls now. After hearing that

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Speaker 1: eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seven

2386
02:13:08,840 --> 02:13:11,360
Speaker 1: six money mics online one he's calling from Baltimore. Money

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Speaker 1: banke your question for doctor Powers.

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Speaker 12: Good morning, Carl, Good morning, doctor Powers.

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Speaker 3: Good morning.

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Speaker 12: All right, First Car, let me address your to something

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Speaker 12: that you said. You said that Trump was gonna put

2392
02:13:24,240 --> 02:13:27,120
Speaker 12: sanctions on the Brick nations. First of all, the Brick

2393
02:13:27,280 --> 02:13:32,520
Speaker 12: nations just their combine, their combination of being Brazil, Russia, India,

2394
02:13:32,560 --> 02:13:36,400
Speaker 12: and China and African countries as well as Middle Eastern countries.

2395
02:13:37,080 --> 02:13:40,840
Speaker 12: They have a trading block that surpasses the US. So

2396
02:13:40,960 --> 02:13:44,320
Speaker 12: that nonsense that Trump is talking is strictly just nonsense.

2397
02:13:44,680 --> 02:13:47,560
Speaker 12: They can't enforce powers on them. They have the economic

2398
02:13:47,640 --> 02:13:50,720
Speaker 12: power to shut down the United States. They trade with

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02:13:50,880 --> 02:13:54,680
Speaker 12: more countries, more population than the US. Now for doctor Powers,

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02:13:54,840 --> 02:13:55,800
Speaker 12: but no, before you go on.

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Speaker 1: Let me just this though, Mike, Mike, before you go on,

2402
02:13:58,440 --> 02:14:01,000
Speaker 1: let me just say this. Well, we're gonna out on Wednesday.

2403
02:14:01,760 --> 02:14:03,480
Speaker 1: A Supreme Court is going to rule on Wednesday if

2404
02:14:03,520 --> 02:14:06,520
Speaker 1: his tariffs were illegal. Now you know, if they were,

2405
02:14:06,760 --> 02:14:09,560
Speaker 1: you know, the Supreme costs rob stand everything that he's done.

2406
02:14:09,600 --> 02:14:12,280
Speaker 1: But if they do, he'll have to refund two hundred

2407
02:14:12,280 --> 02:14:14,280
Speaker 1: billion dollars if he do, so, keep an eye on that.

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02:14:14,320 --> 02:14:16,000
Speaker 1: That's Wednesday. Supreme courst is going to rule on that

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02:14:16,080 --> 02:14:19,160
Speaker 1: about it is tariffs. But go ahead your question for doctor.

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02:14:18,960 --> 02:14:21,600
Speaker 12: Potters, Well, he may he may have to refund, it's

2411
02:14:21,680 --> 02:14:26,240
Speaker 12: not necessarily so. But doctor powers. Aren't most politicians lawyers?

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02:14:26,800 --> 02:14:31,320
Speaker 12: Doesn't the NAACP have lawyers? Doesn't the Democratic Party have lawyers?

2413
02:14:31,400 --> 02:14:35,760
Speaker 12: Doesn't the Urban League have lawyers? Doesn't the Congressional Black

2414
02:14:35,800 --> 02:14:37,120
Speaker 12: Caucus have lawyers?

2415
02:14:37,200 --> 02:14:37,360
Speaker 1: Now?

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02:14:37,960 --> 02:14:40,800
Speaker 12: I know you're not a lawyer, but how come all

2417
02:14:40,840 --> 02:14:44,920
Speaker 12: of these entities have trained lawyers but none of them

2418
02:14:45,000 --> 02:14:48,480
Speaker 12: have represented us on this simple fact before? With the

2419
02:14:48,880 --> 02:14:52,440
Speaker 12: murder Freddie Grave, with the murder George Floyd, Why haven't

2420
02:14:52,480 --> 02:14:55,120
Speaker 12: they brought this up? And why are they neglecting the

2421
02:14:55,200 --> 02:14:58,560
Speaker 12: black community? If they take money from the black community,

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02:14:58,800 --> 02:15:02,040
Speaker 12: they take votes from the black community. Can you answer that?

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02:15:02,160 --> 02:15:06,080
Speaker 12: Why they're will the blectorus what I call it? How

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02:15:06,160 --> 02:15:10,040
Speaker 12: come they haven't informed us that haven't enacted these policies themselves.

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02:15:10,600 --> 02:15:15,360
Speaker 12: Why haven't they brought lawsuits demanders our discovery in these cases?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 9: A couple yeah, good, good question. A couple of things.

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02:15:20,440 --> 02:15:24,760
Speaker 9: Most politicians are not lawyers. And unfortunately, politicians get elected

2429
02:15:24,800 --> 02:15:27,640
Speaker 9: on their popularity, not on their substance, not on their ability,

2430
02:15:27,760 --> 02:15:30,760
Speaker 9: not on their content, And not on their understanding. So

2431
02:15:31,120 --> 02:15:33,280
Speaker 9: if someone is popular and they sound good to us,

2432
02:15:33,320 --> 02:15:36,160
Speaker 9: it's like church on Sunday morning. We're gonna say a man,

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02:15:36,240 --> 02:15:39,440
Speaker 9: whether we check their qualifications and background or not. But

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02:15:39,600 --> 02:15:45,000
Speaker 9: the organizations that you're talking about, the NAACP, the SELC,

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02:15:45,360 --> 02:15:48,440
Speaker 9: the other organizations that we're talking about, do have lawyers

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02:15:49,040 --> 02:15:52,640
Speaker 9: on staff. Secondly, I will say this, there have been

2437
02:15:52,720 --> 02:15:56,240
Speaker 9: individual lawsuits in these particular cases, and during the course

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02:15:56,320 --> 02:16:00,080
Speaker 9: of those individual lawsuits because in some of them, so

2439
02:16:00,200 --> 02:16:02,360
Speaker 9: even some of the ones you've just mentioned, served as

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02:16:02,360 --> 02:16:05,760
Speaker 9: an expert witness during trial, they have brought out these

2441
02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:08,320
Speaker 9: issues because every time I do a report as an

2442
02:16:08,360 --> 02:16:12,560
Speaker 9: expert witness, I'd go to the policies, the practices, the training,

2443
02:16:13,040 --> 02:16:15,560
Speaker 9: so on and so forth. I get the discovery material.

2444
02:16:15,920 --> 02:16:19,920
Speaker 9: It is brought out in individual cases, but it's not publicized.

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02:16:19,960 --> 02:16:22,520
Speaker 9: That's why that's again I go back to the significance

2446
02:16:22,560 --> 02:16:26,320
Speaker 9: of the Carl Nelson Show. It's not publicized because, for example,

2447
02:16:26,400 --> 02:16:29,520
Speaker 9: if I go to trial, I was the expert witness

2448
02:16:29,560 --> 02:16:31,760
Speaker 9: on the Korean Games case in Baltimore County. If I

2449
02:16:31,800 --> 02:16:34,320
Speaker 9: go to trial on that particular case, and I think

2450
02:16:34,360 --> 02:16:36,800
Speaker 9: it was Ken Ravenol and Jawnd de Gordy was the

2451
02:16:36,879 --> 02:16:40,240
Speaker 9: internal in that case. And the outcome is what it comes.

2452
02:16:40,320 --> 02:16:42,720
Speaker 9: The jury found that the police officers were wrong for

2453
02:16:42,800 --> 02:16:45,680
Speaker 9: shooting her and the wrong for debt. The citizens still

2454
02:16:45,800 --> 02:16:48,600
Speaker 9: want know the particulars of the case, the policies that

2455
02:16:48,720 --> 02:16:51,080
Speaker 9: I reviewed, so on and so forth, unless they go

2456
02:16:51,200 --> 02:16:52,880
Speaker 9: look at the case now. When I served as an

2457
02:16:52,879 --> 02:16:56,560
Speaker 9: expert witness for the anton Black case, which became Black

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02:16:56,720 --> 02:16:59,960
Speaker 9: Laws in the state of Maryland, the ACLU not only

2459
02:17:00,160 --> 02:17:04,320
Speaker 9: me publish my expert report, so you walking through just

2460
02:17:04,400 --> 02:17:07,840
Speaker 9: what I'm walking through now, when it's forced necessary, how

2461
02:17:07,920 --> 02:17:10,960
Speaker 9: is it justified? But they published that whole report on

2462
02:17:11,080 --> 02:17:16,000
Speaker 9: their website and they actually had me and evaluate the

2463
02:17:16,080 --> 02:17:18,960
Speaker 9: police departments use of force policy for the three departments

2464
02:17:19,000 --> 02:17:22,520
Speaker 9: that were involved and the death of Antoine Black, and

2465
02:17:22,680 --> 02:17:26,040
Speaker 9: then they put up the recommendations that we made in

2466
02:17:26,120 --> 02:17:29,800
Speaker 9: regards to training the USU force policy on the ACLU website,

2467
02:17:29,879 --> 02:17:33,080
Speaker 9: so it is out there, the acl you have published

2468
02:17:33,879 --> 02:17:37,360
Speaker 9: the recommendations. I rewrote the use of force policy for

2469
02:17:37,440 --> 02:17:40,200
Speaker 9: the Henderson, NEVDA Police Department. I was hired by judge

2470
02:17:40,200 --> 02:17:44,000
Speaker 9: in Philadelphia to reevaluate the use of force policies for

2471
02:17:44,080 --> 02:17:48,000
Speaker 9: the Department of Philadelphia. But it's an individual cases, and

2472
02:17:48,600 --> 02:17:51,800
Speaker 9: the average citizen don't know whether they're up on websites

2473
02:17:52,120 --> 02:17:54,840
Speaker 9: or don't know there exist or haven't been walked through it,

2474
02:17:55,080 --> 02:17:58,720
Speaker 9: unless they've been part of a jury, or unless they

2475
02:17:58,760 --> 02:18:01,680
Speaker 9: are the families or the end of vigil who is

2476
02:18:02,160 --> 02:18:06,240
Speaker 9: filing a suit for wrongful death or accessive force, or

2477
02:18:06,520 --> 02:18:09,080
Speaker 9: unless the lawyers decide to publish it, or less one

2478
02:18:09,160 --> 02:18:12,280
Speaker 9: of the organizations that you talk about decide to publish it.

2479
02:18:12,440 --> 02:18:14,959
Speaker 9: But it does come out in discovery in these cases,

2480
02:18:15,000 --> 02:18:16,840
Speaker 9: and there have been many of these cases which have

2481
02:18:17,000 --> 02:18:19,640
Speaker 9: gone to civil lawsuits. Some of them have been settled

2482
02:18:19,680 --> 02:18:22,440
Speaker 9: out of court. But during the course of trials, all

2483
02:18:22,520 --> 02:18:25,880
Speaker 9: of that information that I just talked about, you know,

2484
02:18:25,959 --> 02:18:29,200
Speaker 9: the fact that police officers required to reassess after each

2485
02:18:29,560 --> 02:18:31,640
Speaker 9: part of the use of force that they are required

2486
02:18:31,720 --> 02:18:34,959
Speaker 9: to use the escalation techniques. First, they as to require

2487
02:18:35,080 --> 02:18:37,320
Speaker 9: to say, why do we need that many offers to

2488
02:18:37,400 --> 02:18:38,760
Speaker 9: hold them down? Why do we put them in a

2489
02:18:38,840 --> 02:18:43,240
Speaker 9: prone position knowing about position or affixiation? Why was that necessary?

2490
02:18:43,600 --> 02:18:45,920
Speaker 9: All of that does come out during trial. All of

2491
02:18:46,000 --> 02:18:49,000
Speaker 9: that is in the trial transcripts and in some cases,

2492
02:18:49,080 --> 02:18:51,200
Speaker 9: like in the case of the ACLU, they do publish

2493
02:18:51,240 --> 02:18:53,800
Speaker 9: it on their website. And again they published my entire

2494
02:18:54,280 --> 02:18:57,320
Speaker 9: expert report in the Antoine Black case when he was

2495
02:18:58,160 --> 02:19:00,560
Speaker 9: when he lost his life with three different agencies on

2496
02:19:00,600 --> 02:19:02,920
Speaker 9: the Eastern Shore, and why we have Black law.

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02:19:03,040 --> 02:19:06,400
Speaker 1: Now, all right, we'll come up on a break. So

2498
02:19:06,520 --> 02:19:10,280
Speaker 1: let me ask this question. Yeah, let me ask this question.

2499
02:19:10,360 --> 02:19:13,200
Speaker 1: Four away from the top of real quick. The sheriff

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02:19:13,240 --> 02:19:15,520
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia said that any of the I sations come

2501
02:19:15,640 --> 02:19:19,120
Speaker 1: and act inappropriately, or she's going to sue them, or

2502
02:19:19,160 --> 02:19:21,760
Speaker 1: she's going to arrest them, and she's incurred the wrath

2503
02:19:21,840 --> 02:19:25,440
Speaker 1: of the White House. She has just done her thing

2504
02:19:25,600 --> 02:19:28,080
Speaker 1: without you know, making a proclamation of your thoughts.

2505
02:19:29,000 --> 02:19:31,640
Speaker 9: Well, I think I think either one is okay, because listen,

2506
02:19:31,720 --> 02:19:34,800
Speaker 9: when police officer's she's ahead of a police agency, when

2507
02:19:34,840 --> 02:19:38,040
Speaker 9: police officers are talking to general citizens. I think even

2508
02:19:38,120 --> 02:19:40,879
Speaker 9: even Bates that this PAS attorney here in Baltimore say

2509
02:19:40,920 --> 02:19:43,040
Speaker 9: if you do this, this is going to happen. So

2510
02:19:43,120 --> 02:19:47,000
Speaker 9: I don't think it's it's out of out of order

2511
02:19:47,120 --> 02:19:50,320
Speaker 9: for her to say, this is my plan, this is

2512
02:19:50,440 --> 02:19:52,720
Speaker 9: the policy we're putting in place to deal with these

2513
02:19:52,760 --> 02:19:57,600
Speaker 9: particular incidents, especially as citizens are being killed or harmed

2514
02:19:57,720 --> 02:19:59,560
Speaker 9: or so on and so forth. We're going to make

2515
02:19:59,640 --> 02:20:04,040
Speaker 9: you follow the law in this particular jurisdiction. There's nothing

2516
02:20:04,080 --> 02:20:04,880
Speaker 9: wrong with her saying that.

2517
02:20:04,959 --> 02:20:05,080
Speaker 12: Now.

2518
02:20:05,160 --> 02:20:10,320
Speaker 9: She may definitely get the backlash, but you know, from

2519
02:20:10,400 --> 02:20:14,760
Speaker 9: the Trump administration. But at some point, and we can

2520
02:20:14,840 --> 02:20:17,640
Speaker 9: talk about this further during this conversation, we have to

2521
02:20:17,720 --> 02:20:19,640
Speaker 9: not be afraid of the backlash. I think what we're

2522
02:20:19,680 --> 02:20:22,000
Speaker 9: hearing now with the silence of the Congression of Black

2523
02:20:22,080 --> 02:20:25,680
Speaker 9: Caucus on these issues, everything from the international issues from

2524
02:20:25,760 --> 02:20:29,000
Speaker 9: Venezuela and Nigeria, the Dominican Republic and all the other

2525
02:20:29,120 --> 02:20:32,760
Speaker 9: threats that Trump is making, the silence is remarkable. Remember,

2526
02:20:32,879 --> 02:20:36,680
Speaker 9: and again I say this, Carl, and I know you've

2527
02:20:37,000 --> 02:20:38,720
Speaker 9: got a number of shows lined up. Was we had

2528
02:20:38,760 --> 02:20:42,400
Speaker 9: to doctor Martin Luther King's birthday. Doctor King say injustice

2529
02:20:42,600 --> 02:20:45,200
Speaker 9: anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere, and he said

2530
02:20:45,280 --> 02:20:48,840
Speaker 9: in the end, I won't remember the actions of my enemies,

2531
02:20:49,160 --> 02:20:52,680
Speaker 9: but I will remember the silence of my friends, the

2532
02:20:52,800 --> 02:20:55,080
Speaker 9: people who should have said something, even if there were

2533
02:20:55,160 --> 02:20:58,360
Speaker 9: consequences and replication. We're not a people. All of our

2534
02:20:58,879 --> 02:21:01,360
Speaker 9: leaders that we talk about, whether it was Marcus Garvey

2535
02:21:01,520 --> 02:21:04,320
Speaker 9: or w. E. B. Du Boors or the honorable Elijah

2536
02:21:04,360 --> 02:21:06,720
Speaker 9: Muhammad or Malcolm Max and Martin Luther King. These people

2537
02:21:06,800 --> 02:21:11,080
Speaker 9: face consequences and repercussions, but standing up for right right.

2538
02:21:11,120 --> 02:21:12,840
Speaker 1: I le's right there, Dodor Powers. You got to step

2539
02:21:12,879 --> 02:21:15,240
Speaker 1: aside so our stations can identify themselves down the line

2540
02:21:15,280 --> 02:21:17,040
Speaker 1: per the FCC. Then we come back and take some

2541
02:21:17,120 --> 02:21:20,000
Speaker 1: more calls at eight hundred four to five zero seventy

2542
02:21:20,040 --> 02:21:22,960
Speaker 1: eight seventy six. We'll do that next, and Grand Rising family,

2543
02:21:23,000 --> 02:21:24,680
Speaker 1: thanks for starting your week with us too. After the

2544
02:21:24,760 --> 02:21:27,000
Speaker 1: top of that, I guess there's doctor tyrow In Powers.

2545
02:21:27,080 --> 02:21:29,800
Speaker 1: Doctor Powers is a former FBI agent and this book

2546
02:21:29,879 --> 02:21:33,160
Speaker 1: is called Ice to My Soul, The Rise or Decline

2547
02:21:33,160 --> 02:21:35,320
Speaker 1: of a Black FBI Agent. You'd like to speak to him,

2548
02:21:35,360 --> 02:21:37,080
Speaker 1: reach out to us at eight hundred four to five

2549
02:21:37,200 --> 02:21:40,320
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six. Brother Jason is checking in

2550
02:21:40,400 --> 02:21:42,960
Speaker 1: from Baltimore. He's on line two, Grand Rising, Brother Jason.

2551
02:21:42,959 --> 02:21:49,400
Speaker 1: Your question for doctor Powers's brother Jason there on line two.

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02:21:51,200 --> 02:21:53,720
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on. Then that's good. Oh there

2553
02:21:53,760 --> 02:21:59,280
Speaker 1: you are. Go ahead. I'm sorry, go ahead, I'm not

2554
02:21:59,360 --> 02:22:02,560
Speaker 1: hearing Jason Kevin. So let's move on the line to you. Yes,

2555
02:22:02,640 --> 02:22:03,240
Speaker 1: you're on the air.

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Speaker 18: Oh, I'm not sure what's going on with the connection.

2557
02:22:07,280 --> 02:22:09,560
Speaker 18: First of all, Happy New Year to each and every

2558
02:22:09,560 --> 02:22:13,560
Speaker 18: one of you, including doctor Tyrone Powers. Doctor Tyrone Powers,

2559
02:22:13,920 --> 02:22:16,560
Speaker 18: could you just confirmed with me? So I come with

2560
02:22:16,720 --> 02:22:20,600
Speaker 18: receipts for Renee Nicole good. I come with the receipts

2561
02:22:20,640 --> 02:22:24,920
Speaker 18: of the policies the Department of Homeland Security ICE policies.

2562
02:22:25,440 --> 02:22:30,560
Speaker 18: They have a procedure that's known as an ex anti procedure.

2563
02:22:31,240 --> 02:22:34,280
Speaker 18: It's usually in a lot of high risk, particular types

2564
02:22:34,320 --> 02:22:38,880
Speaker 18: of jobs, nuclear operator for instance. Instead of them jumping

2565
02:22:39,000 --> 02:22:42,640
Speaker 18: up in an emergency and reacting and being gun ho

2566
02:22:43,320 --> 02:22:46,120
Speaker 18: there is a procedure in place that keeps them kind

2567
02:22:46,120 --> 02:22:49,040
Speaker 18: of in checking in line and keeps them out of

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02:22:49,360 --> 02:22:52,560
Speaker 18: harm's way and keeps the operation out of harm's way.

2569
02:22:52,600 --> 02:22:56,120
Speaker 18: And in this particular situation, all the policies show that

2570
02:22:56,360 --> 02:22:59,720
Speaker 18: this officer should have not stood in the way to

2571
02:23:00,000 --> 02:23:04,320
Speaker 18: create a deadly for situation, and it also states that

2572
02:23:04,440 --> 02:23:08,080
Speaker 18: he should have de escalated to avoid that type of situation.

2573
02:23:09,000 --> 02:23:12,040
Speaker 18: So all of this shows that he truly went against

2574
02:23:12,080 --> 02:23:16,280
Speaker 18: the policy. And now, besides the ex anti policies that

2575
02:23:16,360 --> 02:23:19,680
Speaker 18: are in place, this really comes at a higher level.

2576
02:23:19,800 --> 02:23:23,480
Speaker 18: This comes from what they known as the top down component,

2577
02:23:23,879 --> 02:23:28,000
Speaker 18: because the president is pushing Ice and pushing his Department

2578
02:23:28,040 --> 02:23:33,959
Speaker 18: of Homeland Security secretary to be this you know, brute force,

2579
02:23:34,360 --> 02:23:37,920
Speaker 18: you know, this gestapo on the people. Yes, I agree

2580
02:23:38,000 --> 02:23:42,480
Speaker 18: that there should be some rounding up and getting you know,

2581
02:23:42,680 --> 02:23:46,200
Speaker 18: these criminals off the streets, including those who are legally here.

2582
02:23:46,600 --> 02:23:47,120
Speaker 9: I'm one of the.

2583
02:23:47,160 --> 02:23:49,960
Speaker 18: Biggest persons on my radio show that talk about MS

2584
02:23:50,040 --> 02:23:53,320
Speaker 18: thirteen and the removal of MS thirteen because I saw

2585
02:23:53,440 --> 02:23:56,880
Speaker 18: the threat early years ago here in Baltimore City with

2586
02:23:57,040 --> 02:24:00,680
Speaker 18: several incidences that jumped out that the officer were reporting

2587
02:24:00,760 --> 02:24:03,280
Speaker 18: to us that were gang related with MS thirteen, and

2588
02:24:03,280 --> 02:24:05,320
Speaker 18: I was saying, well, how could they possibly be here

2589
02:24:05,720 --> 02:24:08,640
Speaker 18: unless they were coming up here illegally, and so yes,

2590
02:24:08,800 --> 02:24:11,440
Speaker 18: round them up, I agreed, but they shouldn't be this

2591
02:24:11,560 --> 02:24:15,040
Speaker 18: gstopo force that is violating rights and in some cases

2592
02:24:15,360 --> 02:24:16,280
Speaker 18: killing citizens.

2593
02:24:16,360 --> 02:24:19,440
Speaker 7: She was murdered, and I don't know.

2594
02:24:19,520 --> 02:24:22,880
Speaker 18: How officers could argue against me, and I apologize to

2595
02:24:22,959 --> 02:24:26,840
Speaker 18: my friend, Officer Action Jackson, who served over twenty years

2596
02:24:26,879 --> 02:24:29,440
Speaker 18: in Baltimore City. I apologized to them, you know, because

2597
02:24:29,440 --> 02:24:31,360
Speaker 18: we got into a heated argument but I'm glad that

2598
02:24:31,440 --> 02:24:35,880
Speaker 18: there's officers stepping up, and even those and different levels

2599
02:24:36,680 --> 02:24:39,080
Speaker 18: of law enforcement that are stepping up to say that

2600
02:24:39,240 --> 02:24:41,800
Speaker 18: this was wrong, that this was not justified, and that

2601
02:24:41,959 --> 02:24:44,440
Speaker 18: this officer's actions could have been different. And I think

2602
02:24:44,480 --> 02:24:47,519
Speaker 18: that he was suffering from what they call trauma toophobia,

2603
02:24:48,080 --> 02:24:51,160
Speaker 18: trauma tophobia. He just had an incident the year previous

2604
02:24:51,520 --> 02:24:54,680
Speaker 18: in that same area, I believe, in that same city,

2605
02:24:55,120 --> 02:24:57,840
Speaker 18: you know, where he was dragged by a vehicle. So

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Speaker 18: he could have still been technically dealing with that mentally,

2607
02:25:02,400 --> 02:25:04,880
Speaker 18: and it could have you know, put him at risk

2608
02:25:04,959 --> 02:25:06,760
Speaker 18: and put the public at risk because he was still

2609
02:25:06,840 --> 02:25:08,880
Speaker 18: dealing with the fact that he was an officer that

2610
02:25:09,000 --> 02:25:11,920
Speaker 18: was traumatized on the job for that very same thing,

2611
02:25:12,160 --> 02:25:15,480
Speaker 18: a vehicle coming at him. So, you know, you know,

2612
02:25:15,560 --> 02:25:19,320
Speaker 18: I'm sorry for the loss of renaming Nicole Good and

2613
02:25:19,920 --> 02:25:22,520
Speaker 18: hopefully this is a learning lesson. But this starts at

2614
02:25:22,560 --> 02:25:25,280
Speaker 18: the top. This starts at the president. The president is

2615
02:25:26,000 --> 02:25:28,879
Speaker 18: the main commander in chief that is pushing the federal

2616
02:25:28,959 --> 02:25:32,960
Speaker 18: agencies to be aggressive like this and to violate constitutional laws.

2617
02:25:33,480 --> 02:25:35,400
Speaker 1: All right, let's give me a chance for thanks station.

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02:25:36,160 --> 02:25:38,520
Speaker 9: No, I don't disagree with him. I don't disagree with

2619
02:25:38,600 --> 02:25:41,200
Speaker 9: him at all. And then during the time that I

2620
02:25:41,360 --> 02:25:43,920
Speaker 9: served as a special agent with the FBI, I worked

2621
02:25:46,640 --> 02:25:49,200
Speaker 9: organized crime and international crime. And I know they are

2622
02:25:49,200 --> 02:25:51,880
Speaker 9: people here in the United States or even threatened their

2623
02:25:51,920 --> 02:25:54,360
Speaker 9: families are threatened back home by groups who say either

2624
02:25:54,440 --> 02:25:57,240
Speaker 9: you give us a portion. To be quite frank with you,

2625
02:25:57,320 --> 02:26:00,440
Speaker 9: there was a store in Annapolis, Maryland where the owner

2626
02:26:00,440 --> 02:26:03,840
Speaker 9: of the store had to keep paying these members off

2627
02:26:03,920 --> 02:26:06,039
Speaker 9: because his family was back in one of the Latin

2628
02:26:06,040 --> 02:26:08,560
Speaker 9: American countries and they were threatened to harm them back there.

2629
02:26:08,879 --> 02:26:12,000
Speaker 9: I don't think that. I think that initially, when this

2630
02:26:12,240 --> 02:26:15,080
Speaker 9: president indicated that he was going at the violent criminals

2631
02:26:15,120 --> 02:26:17,680
Speaker 9: and murderers and rapists, people were okay. But I think

2632
02:26:17,720 --> 02:26:21,279
Speaker 9: what you're seeing now is something totally different and outside

2633
02:26:21,360 --> 02:26:23,160
Speaker 9: the realm of that. And even all of that has

2634
02:26:23,200 --> 02:26:24,880
Speaker 9: to be done in the course of the law. And

2635
02:26:24,959 --> 02:26:28,240
Speaker 9: there's no police officer who went into policing for the

2636
02:26:28,400 --> 02:26:31,840
Speaker 9: right reasons to serve and protect, to preserve the sanctity

2637
02:26:31,920 --> 02:26:36,960
Speaker 9: of human life, to make communities safer, that can justify

2638
02:26:38,160 --> 02:26:40,320
Speaker 9: after looking at this particular case, this is just on

2639
02:26:40,400 --> 02:26:42,520
Speaker 9: the face of it, looking at the details of this case,

2640
02:26:42,800 --> 02:26:45,520
Speaker 9: it can justify any action like this. You can't just

2641
02:26:45,560 --> 02:26:47,320
Speaker 9: go out and shoot anybody. That's not why you join

2642
02:26:47,360 --> 02:26:49,560
Speaker 9: the police. But this is not You're not any war

2643
02:26:49,720 --> 02:26:51,840
Speaker 9: zone like the military. Again, that's why I mentioned the

2644
02:26:52,200 --> 02:26:57,680
Speaker 9: posse comma tarti sac and I think that again these

2645
02:26:57,760 --> 02:27:00,240
Speaker 9: agencies and not just these agencies, because I mean, let

2646
02:27:00,280 --> 02:27:02,640
Speaker 9: me just say this, and I'm not being critical, but

2647
02:27:02,720 --> 02:27:06,240
Speaker 9: I'm giving solutions as we always tried to do. When

2648
02:27:06,280 --> 02:27:09,440
Speaker 9: I come on call all these megachurches, you've got to

2649
02:27:09,560 --> 02:27:12,520
Speaker 9: say something, you know, Doctor King. Again, all of them

2650
02:27:12,520 --> 02:27:14,640
Speaker 9: are going to be celebrating Doctor King coming up. And

2651
02:27:14,720 --> 02:27:18,600
Speaker 9: Doctor King said, at some point, silence become betrayal. Remember

2652
02:27:18,760 --> 02:27:21,920
Speaker 9: it was doctor Kings And I know every year on

2653
02:27:22,000 --> 02:27:23,879
Speaker 9: his birthday we played that I have a dream speech

2654
02:27:23,959 --> 02:27:26,760
Speaker 9: that was in nineteen sixty three. He lived all the

2655
02:27:26,800 --> 02:27:31,520
Speaker 9: way to nineteen sixty eight. Doctor King said that even

2656
02:27:31,560 --> 02:27:33,879
Speaker 9: when he was talking about the Vietnam War, talking about

2657
02:27:33,879 --> 02:27:36,240
Speaker 9: what's happening in Venezuela, and he wasn't even talking about

2658
02:27:36,240 --> 02:27:39,320
Speaker 9: the leaders. He was talking about the actions. And he said,

2659
02:27:39,560 --> 02:27:42,360
Speaker 9: imagine a pastor or a preacher from a por pit

2660
02:27:42,760 --> 02:27:45,119
Speaker 9: said to United States that we are criminals in that war.

2661
02:27:45,160 --> 02:27:48,000
Speaker 9: We've committed more war crimes than any nation in the world.

2662
02:27:48,240 --> 02:27:51,440
Speaker 9: And he said, I love this country too much. He said,

2663
02:27:51,480 --> 02:27:53,560
Speaker 9: God didn't call America to do what he's doing in

2664
02:27:53,600 --> 02:27:57,680
Speaker 9: the world today. Imagine if we had more pastors, mega pastors,

2665
02:27:57,720 --> 02:27:59,720
Speaker 9: the ones we see on television, the one we see

2666
02:27:59,720 --> 02:28:02,360
Speaker 9: in church in our community, standing in a poor pit

2667
02:28:02,480 --> 02:28:06,280
Speaker 9: and says this is ungodly, this is wrong. Imagine we

2668
02:28:06,360 --> 02:28:11,880
Speaker 9: don't give doctor King enough credit. Imagine a pastor by

2669
02:28:12,000 --> 02:28:14,920
Speaker 9: doctor King being willing to say that this country is

2670
02:28:15,000 --> 02:28:17,680
Speaker 9: involved in criminal acts. You want to know why he

2671
02:28:17,840 --> 02:28:23,199
Speaker 9: was assassinated. Imagine that kind of urge, strength, urge and wisdom. Again,

2672
02:28:23,240 --> 02:28:25,960
Speaker 9: we don't even talk about him saying that when he

2673
02:28:26,040 --> 02:28:28,680
Speaker 9: said that the Black Church had more had a zeo

2674
02:28:28,800 --> 02:28:31,359
Speaker 9: for God, not according to knowledge, they had more religion

2675
02:28:31,440 --> 02:28:33,120
Speaker 9: in their hands and feet than in their heart and

2676
02:28:33,160 --> 02:28:35,200
Speaker 9: their heads. He said, as a Belli and Christians in

2677
02:28:35,240 --> 02:28:37,000
Speaker 9: the world, And if a bell and Christians stood up,

2678
02:28:37,120 --> 02:28:38,960
Speaker 9: we will put a stop through all of this stuff

2679
02:28:38,959 --> 02:28:40,959
Speaker 9: we're dealing with. They're not going to play that speech

2680
02:28:41,000 --> 02:28:42,960
Speaker 9: on doctor Martin Luther king birthday. They're gonna play that

2681
02:28:43,000 --> 02:28:45,680
Speaker 9: I have a dream speech, not as he matured and

2682
02:28:45,760 --> 02:28:48,840
Speaker 9: begin to say, and he told his own organization that

2683
02:28:49,000 --> 02:28:52,600
Speaker 9: you never measure your morality by the bottom line on

2684
02:28:52,720 --> 02:28:55,959
Speaker 9: your checkbook just because the federal government won't give you money,

2685
02:28:56,080 --> 02:28:57,880
Speaker 9: or you won't get money for donors, and you won't

2686
02:28:57,920 --> 02:29:00,280
Speaker 9: get money for this. That's not the business that we're in.

2687
02:29:00,800 --> 02:29:03,560
Speaker 9: That's the Doctor King who would assassinated at thirty nine

2688
02:29:03,680 --> 02:29:06,000
Speaker 9: years of age. That's what he was saying. That's the

2689
02:29:06,040 --> 02:29:08,960
Speaker 9: speeches they won't play after the nineteen sixty three speech.

2690
02:29:09,240 --> 02:29:12,160
Speaker 9: But here's my point. My point is that what is

2691
02:29:12,320 --> 02:29:17,360
Speaker 9: happening across this nation and across this world requires a

2692
02:29:17,520 --> 02:29:21,760
Speaker 9: concerted effort by all the black churches. Especially you can

2693
02:29:21,800 --> 02:29:24,520
Speaker 9: go outside the black churches, because we have a history

2694
02:29:24,640 --> 02:29:27,280
Speaker 9: of that. We have a history of realizing they were

2695
02:29:27,320 --> 02:29:31,320
Speaker 9: going to be consequences and repercussions. Again, whether it's Birmingham, Alabama,

2696
02:29:31,560 --> 02:29:36,920
Speaker 9: or Selma, Alabama, or Montgomery, Alabama or Chicago, Illinoi's we

2697
02:29:37,000 --> 02:29:40,000
Speaker 9: have a history of saying that the only way we

2698
02:29:40,160 --> 02:29:42,680
Speaker 9: put a stop to this is to speak up on it. Again.

2699
02:29:43,400 --> 02:29:47,560
Speaker 9: Back to doctor King. At some point, silence becomes betrayal.

2700
02:29:47,920 --> 02:29:50,880
Speaker 9: It's no longer nice, it's no longer that's not our battle,

2701
02:29:50,920 --> 02:29:53,080
Speaker 9: or I'm not getting involved in that, because Doctor King

2702
02:29:53,160 --> 02:29:58,040
Speaker 9: said injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. He said,

2703
02:29:58,080 --> 02:30:00,760
Speaker 9: at some point, silence, whether it's from the Black Church,

2704
02:30:01,040 --> 02:30:04,240
Speaker 9: whether it's from our fraternities and our sororities, whether it's

2705
02:30:04,280 --> 02:30:08,040
Speaker 9: from the NAACP or these other organizations, whether it's from

2706
02:30:08,080 --> 02:30:11,800
Speaker 9: the Congressional Black Caucus or any other entity, at some point,

2707
02:30:12,440 --> 02:30:16,400
Speaker 9: silence becomes betrayal. And again back to his statement that

2708
02:30:17,520 --> 02:30:20,160
Speaker 9: in the end, I won't remember the actions of my enemies,

2709
02:30:20,280 --> 02:30:22,800
Speaker 9: but I will remember the silence of my friends. As

2710
02:30:22,840 --> 02:30:23,520
Speaker 9: I went through that.

2711
02:30:24,520 --> 02:30:25,720
Speaker 1: Ten and a half of the top thing, I got

2712
02:30:25,760 --> 02:30:27,640
Speaker 1: a bunch of folk from across the country, got questions

2713
02:30:27,680 --> 02:30:30,680
Speaker 1: for you, Doctor Powers, and let's go to Cleveland truth Tellers.

2714
02:30:30,720 --> 02:30:32,840
Speaker 1: There he's on line three, Grand Rising Truth telling you

2715
02:30:32,840 --> 02:30:34,119
Speaker 1: a question for Doctor Powers.

2716
02:30:35,000 --> 02:30:40,240
Speaker 15: Grant Grand Rising quasy, Doctor Powers, Doctor Powers. Hey, you're

2717
02:30:40,240 --> 02:30:41,800
Speaker 15: a brilliant man. I tell you this.

2718
02:30:41,920 --> 02:30:43,520
Speaker 10: I'm not a big far.

2719
02:30:43,680 --> 02:30:46,680
Speaker 15: I'm not following the police officer just because Doctor Powers,

2720
02:30:46,720 --> 02:30:48,840
Speaker 15: because just the way I've been treated over the years

2721
02:30:49,120 --> 02:30:52,280
Speaker 15: since I've been a kid by police officers. But let

2722
02:30:52,320 --> 02:30:54,800
Speaker 15: me say this, Doctor Powers, I love all the information

2723
02:30:54,879 --> 02:30:56,280
Speaker 15: you're giving out. But I'm just gonna give you a

2724
02:30:56,320 --> 02:31:00,360
Speaker 15: brief synopsis about a situation I'm following up on money might.

2725
02:31:01,240 --> 02:31:05,280
Speaker 15: It's hard for black folks, ordinary poor black folks like

2726
02:31:05,440 --> 02:31:10,640
Speaker 15: us in the inn cy, the black lawyers and judge,

2727
02:31:10,760 --> 02:31:13,039
Speaker 15: they just don't care about us. Now, I'm gonna tell

2728
02:31:13,040 --> 02:31:15,320
Speaker 15: you what's happening with me. I did what you said do.

2729
02:31:15,520 --> 02:31:18,960
Speaker 15: I fired a lawsuit against Cleveton police for obsessive force

2730
02:31:19,400 --> 02:31:22,240
Speaker 15: and failure to protect. They allowed the sexual offender to

2731
02:31:22,280 --> 02:31:25,199
Speaker 15: stalk me for the last five years. Anyway, I filed

2732
02:31:25,240 --> 02:31:29,680
Speaker 15: a lawsuit in the county court. They removed it, unknown

2733
02:31:29,720 --> 02:31:31,880
Speaker 15: to my knowledge, to the federal court. I didn't know

2734
02:31:31,920 --> 02:31:34,280
Speaker 15: they removed it to the federal court until a young

2735
02:31:34,360 --> 02:31:37,200
Speaker 15: brother came to my house, knocked on my door. He

2736
02:31:37,400 --> 02:31:40,279
Speaker 15: filed a lawsuit against the same judge and the Cleanton police,

2737
02:31:40,520 --> 02:31:43,840
Speaker 15: and he wanted to combine federal lawsuits. I say, yeah, man,

2738
02:31:43,920 --> 02:31:45,959
Speaker 15: let me check on it. You know, we'd get together,

2739
02:31:45,959 --> 02:31:47,320
Speaker 15: we would talk so forth and so on. But I

2740
02:31:47,360 --> 02:31:49,720
Speaker 15: got to do my homework. Anyway, I talked to the

2741
02:31:49,760 --> 02:31:52,080
Speaker 15: federal court. They told me I had to file the

2742
02:31:52,440 --> 02:31:55,040
Speaker 15: many complaint. I fired a many complaint two or three

2743
02:31:55,080 --> 02:31:59,440
Speaker 15: weeks ago. I just got the decision back Friday. They

2744
02:31:59,560 --> 02:32:03,800
Speaker 15: died the case. And then the judge even wrote, pursuing

2745
02:32:03,920 --> 02:32:06,680
Speaker 15: the twenty eight USC so forth so on, that an

2746
02:32:06,720 --> 02:32:09,920
Speaker 15: appeal from decision cannot be taken in good safe. See.

2747
02:32:10,200 --> 02:32:12,920
Speaker 15: The problem is we don't have people that stand up

2748
02:32:12,959 --> 02:32:16,000
Speaker 15: for us, like you say, silences betrayal. I've been betrayed.

2749
02:32:16,040 --> 02:32:18,400
Speaker 15: That's why I can't vote no more, Doctor Powers. I

2750
02:32:18,480 --> 02:32:21,760
Speaker 15: can't get in this. Our own people man abuse us,

2751
02:32:22,080 --> 02:32:24,920
Speaker 15: take advantage of us, They sell us out, they offer

2752
02:32:25,000 --> 02:32:27,440
Speaker 15: us up to these white folks in his criminal justice system.

2753
02:32:27,640 --> 02:32:30,480
Speaker 15: I've been an innocent man, been pleaded in my case.

2754
02:32:30,800 --> 02:32:34,320
Speaker 15: I've had black lawyers steal my money, paying thousands of dollars.

2755
02:32:34,760 --> 02:32:37,320
Speaker 15: One black lawyer wouldn't either meet with me no more.

2756
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Speaker 15: After I paid him. His white secretary started dogging me out.

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Speaker 1: The man, Yeah, because a bunch of folks want to

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02:32:44,680 --> 02:32:45,080
Speaker 1: talk to him.

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Speaker 15: I want to say, is doctor Powers? Number one do

2760
02:32:48,120 --> 02:32:52,360
Speaker 15: you teach a course? And number two? How is it

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02:32:52,440 --> 02:32:55,600
Speaker 15: that black folks gonna move forward when when we betrayed

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02:32:55,600 --> 02:32:58,080
Speaker 15: by our own folks, and our own folks are scared

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02:32:58,080 --> 02:33:00,520
Speaker 15: to get involved. We got black folks like me and

2764
02:33:00,680 --> 02:33:03,720
Speaker 15: poor black folks filing federal lawsuits don't have no idea

2765
02:33:03,800 --> 02:33:06,640
Speaker 15: what they're doing because we're trying to fight for our sales.

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Speaker 15: Thank you man.

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Speaker 9: But just briefly, because I know you got callers called,

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02:33:12,040 --> 02:33:15,320
Speaker 9: but just briefly, that was and I think Carl you

2769
02:33:15,440 --> 02:33:17,920
Speaker 9: asked that questionarily or maybe one of the callers that

2770
02:33:18,040 --> 02:33:20,360
Speaker 9: that was the role of the organizations because there are

2771
02:33:20,480 --> 02:33:23,760
Speaker 9: people who can't afford attorneys, and there are attorneys. I

2772
02:33:23,879 --> 02:33:25,840
Speaker 9: know Judge Bell, when he was the Chief Judge of

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02:33:25,959 --> 02:33:28,680
Speaker 9: the Maryland Court of Appeals at the time, which was

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02:33:28,720 --> 02:33:32,240
Speaker 9: the highest court in the state of Maryland, would require

2775
02:33:32,440 --> 02:33:36,720
Speaker 9: lawyers to take some pro bono cases, lawyers through out

2776
02:33:36,760 --> 02:33:39,160
Speaker 9: the state of Maryland to take some pro bono cases,

2777
02:33:39,200 --> 02:33:42,080
Speaker 9: because he's absolutely right, not everyone can get the kind

2778
02:33:42,120 --> 02:33:45,000
Speaker 9: of legal representation that they need. But at some point

2779
02:33:45,120 --> 02:33:49,400
Speaker 9: that was the purpose of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund,

2780
02:33:49,480 --> 02:33:54,040
Speaker 9: which was separate from the NAACP that Marshall was part of.

2781
02:33:54,080 --> 02:33:56,560
Speaker 9: The naac Legal Defense Fund. He was in that part

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02:33:56,600 --> 02:33:59,400
Speaker 9: of the NAACP, so he just did legal cases. He

2783
02:33:59,440 --> 02:34:03,000
Speaker 9: didn't and south and civil disobedience. He didn't do protests.

2784
02:34:03,320 --> 02:34:06,560
Speaker 9: His job was a group of lawyers who just handled

2785
02:34:06,680 --> 02:34:11,119
Speaker 9: legal matters, and that was at one point what they did.

2786
02:34:11,280 --> 02:34:12,760
Speaker 9: And that's why it's important for us to know that

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02:34:12,879 --> 02:34:15,840
Speaker 9: history because maybe now we can ask these organizations, do

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02:34:16,080 --> 02:34:19,080
Speaker 9: the SELC or the NAACP or the Urban League have

2789
02:34:19,200 --> 02:34:22,280
Speaker 9: a legal defense fund which is separate from everything else

2790
02:34:22,360 --> 02:34:25,119
Speaker 9: they do, which allows them to take on these cases

2791
02:34:25,959 --> 02:34:28,480
Speaker 9: for people who can't afford to go forward. Because it's

2792
02:34:28,720 --> 02:34:33,560
Speaker 9: very important that we fight this battle on multiple levels.

2793
02:34:33,640 --> 02:34:36,560
Speaker 9: The civil disobedience is the aspect of it, the legal

2794
02:34:36,640 --> 02:34:39,000
Speaker 9: aspect of it, and then we publish the results of

2795
02:34:39,080 --> 02:34:42,000
Speaker 9: the different findings that come out, whether it's through some

2796
02:34:42,560 --> 02:34:45,480
Speaker 9: website that we have common in the community, or whether

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02:34:45,560 --> 02:34:47,800
Speaker 9: we talk about that again if we have been doing

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02:34:48,160 --> 02:34:51,000
Speaker 9: on a Carl Nelson show. But I don't like the

2799
02:34:51,360 --> 02:34:53,600
Speaker 9: blanket thing that there are no black lawyers who are

2800
02:34:53,640 --> 02:34:56,360
Speaker 9: doing anything, because they are, they're organizations, they are people

2801
02:34:56,400 --> 02:34:59,880
Speaker 9: who are doing everything. It's just that we don't have

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02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:02,480
Speaker 9: we have the ability to connect with them always because

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02:35:02,480 --> 02:35:04,240
Speaker 9: we don't know they exist. And that's one of the

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02:35:04,320 --> 02:35:06,480
Speaker 9: things that we had to work on, all right.

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02:35:06,600 --> 02:35:09,160
Speaker 1: Fifteen A, that's top there, Eric said, calling next he's

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02:35:09,280 --> 02:35:12,280
Speaker 1: online four he's calling from Forestville and Maryland. Grind rising

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02:35:12,440 --> 02:35:14,279
Speaker 1: Eric here with doctor Powers.

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02:35:15,760 --> 02:35:21,240
Speaker 13: Grind Can you here be mister Nelson and doctor Powell. Yes, okay, yeah,

2809
02:35:21,520 --> 02:35:24,160
Speaker 13: grand rise to both of you. Think let's take my call.

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02:35:25,120 --> 02:35:29,360
Speaker 13: I had two questions or comments to make. One was

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02:35:30,440 --> 02:35:37,240
Speaker 13: basically Keith Keith Porter. Why do you think that Keith

2812
02:35:37,320 --> 02:35:43,320
Speaker 13: Porter case hasn't got any notoriety in terms of what

2813
02:35:43,520 --> 02:35:52,160
Speaker 13: happened to him versus Nicole Goods case? And the other

2814
02:35:52,200 --> 02:35:56,840
Speaker 13: one is obviously the one in Missus Tennessee. And why

2815
02:35:57,280 --> 02:36:04,440
Speaker 13: why not with Paul young b One to be have

2816
02:36:04,560 --> 02:36:07,440
Speaker 13: a decent decree on the city with all the corruptions

2817
02:36:07,480 --> 02:36:11,440
Speaker 13: that goes on in Memphis, Tennessee. He makes up excuses

2818
02:36:11,640 --> 02:36:14,000
Speaker 13: how much it's gonna cause for them to have a

2819
02:36:14,040 --> 02:36:16,400
Speaker 13: decent decree about that. But like I said, the first

2820
02:36:16,480 --> 02:36:22,000
Speaker 13: question is how come mister Porter's case hasn't gotten in

2821
02:36:22,040 --> 02:36:24,680
Speaker 13: the notoriety at all? Very little, if any?

2822
02:36:26,440 --> 02:36:28,480
Speaker 9: Well, two things, I'll have.

2823
02:36:28,560 --> 02:36:30,400
Speaker 1: That though right there, Dodor Pallace, we're gonna step aside.

2824
02:36:30,560 --> 02:36:32,080
Speaker 1: I want to break you rid him, So we'll take

2825
02:36:32,080 --> 02:36:34,000
Speaker 1: the break and we come back and respond to Eric's question.

2826
02:36:34,080 --> 02:36:35,920
Speaker 1: So seventeen after the top of that, family, you two

2827
02:36:35,959 --> 02:36:37,840
Speaker 1: can get in on this conversation with our guest, that

2828
02:36:37,959 --> 02:36:40,640
Speaker 1: doctor Tyrone Palace. It's a former FBI agent. In his

2829
02:36:40,680 --> 02:36:43,240
Speaker 1: book is titled Ice to My Soul, The Rise or

2830
02:36:43,320 --> 02:36:46,280
Speaker 1: Decline of a Black FBI Agent. What are your thoughts

2831
02:36:46,360 --> 02:36:48,959
Speaker 1: eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six,

2832
02:36:48,959 --> 02:36:51,800
Speaker 1: And we'll take your phone calls next and grand Rising family,

2833
02:36:51,879 --> 02:36:53,880
Speaker 1: thanks for starting your week with us. Twenty one minutes

2834
02:36:53,920 --> 02:36:55,600
Speaker 1: after the top of there, with that guest, the former

2835
02:36:55,879 --> 02:36:58,879
Speaker 1: FBI agent, doctor Tyrone Powers. Doctor Powers, do you remember

2836
02:36:58,920 --> 02:37:00,160
Speaker 1: the questions of Eric's.

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02:37:01,080 --> 02:37:03,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think I do. He was talking about why

2838
02:37:03,800 --> 02:37:06,680
Speaker 9: these other cases, the cases that he mentioned, were getting

2839
02:37:06,720 --> 02:37:11,920
Speaker 9: the same kind of publicity as this particular case with

2840
02:37:12,520 --> 02:37:16,680
Speaker 9: the killing of miss Good. And the only way these

2841
02:37:16,760 --> 02:37:19,040
Speaker 9: cases are going to get that kind of publicity is

2842
02:37:19,080 --> 02:37:21,200
Speaker 9: if we give them that kind of attention, doctor King.

2843
02:37:21,560 --> 02:37:25,680
Speaker 9: And again, I want to recognize his birthday coming up

2844
02:37:25,920 --> 02:37:27,960
Speaker 9: in a way that's more than just a day, a

2845
02:37:28,080 --> 02:37:31,039
Speaker 9: federal day off, or a shopping day, in the sense

2846
02:37:31,080 --> 02:37:33,119
Speaker 9: that he was such a brilliant man, and we keep

2847
02:37:33,200 --> 02:37:35,560
Speaker 9: reducing him to a dreamer, and yet he said he

2848
02:37:35,680 --> 02:37:38,360
Speaker 9: had one dream and every year we played I Have

2849
02:37:38,480 --> 02:37:40,720
Speaker 9: a Dream. Speech was is in nineteen sixty three as

2850
02:37:40,760 --> 02:37:44,400
Speaker 9: opposed to the years in which he lived after that.

2851
02:37:44,600 --> 02:37:47,840
Speaker 9: Doctor King was very strategic and making sure that he

2852
02:37:47,959 --> 02:37:50,840
Speaker 9: got attention to the matters that were important. That was

2853
02:37:50,879 --> 02:37:53,560
Speaker 9: the purpose of certain marches, that was the purpose of

2854
02:37:53,640 --> 02:37:56,840
Speaker 9: civil disobedience, that was the purpose of him going to

2855
02:37:57,000 --> 02:38:00,080
Speaker 9: jail and writing the Letter from the Birmingham Jail. And

2856
02:38:01,000 --> 02:38:03,480
Speaker 9: just as a quick aside, you got to I'm hoping

2857
02:38:03,560 --> 02:38:06,480
Speaker 9: that everyone here take this opportunity of his birthday to

2858
02:38:06,560 --> 02:38:08,720
Speaker 9: read the Letter from the Birmingham Jail when he said,

2859
02:38:08,760 --> 02:38:10,680
Speaker 9: the greatest threat to black people is not the q

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02:38:10,840 --> 02:38:14,600
Speaker 9: Cut clan or the White's citizen council, is moderate and

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02:38:15,280 --> 02:38:17,800
Speaker 9: moderate whites who wrap their hate and the garments of

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02:38:17,879 --> 02:38:19,680
Speaker 9: love and make you think they're loving you when they're

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02:38:19,720 --> 02:38:22,160
Speaker 9: really hating you. He said, your enemy. You can see

2864
02:38:22,200 --> 02:38:26,119
Speaker 9: them coming. And he said that it's moderate whites who

2865
02:38:26,200 --> 02:38:29,200
Speaker 9: believed that they could set the timetable for another man's freedom.

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02:38:29,320 --> 02:38:32,520
Speaker 9: So he choked every opportunity he could, even writing from

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02:38:32,560 --> 02:38:36,400
Speaker 9: a jail cell in the corners and the margins of

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02:38:36,440 --> 02:38:38,720
Speaker 9: a newspaper, because they wouldn't give them paper and then

2869
02:38:38,840 --> 02:38:41,520
Speaker 9: getting it out through Correta Scott King to get that

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02:38:41,680 --> 02:38:44,840
Speaker 9: out to the community so they could see what his

2871
02:38:45,000 --> 02:38:47,520
Speaker 9: concerns are. So the only way these things, and that's

2872
02:38:47,560 --> 02:38:50,640
Speaker 9: the beauty of the Carl Nelson's show, is that the

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02:38:51,240 --> 02:38:52,640
Speaker 9: only way we're going to they're going to get the

2874
02:38:52,760 --> 02:38:55,560
Speaker 9: attention that we need them to get is if we

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02:38:55,680 --> 02:38:59,600
Speaker 9: give them that particular attention in the meantime or not

2876
02:39:00,240 --> 02:39:03,560
Speaker 9: not but but and when other cases come up, like

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02:39:03,640 --> 02:39:06,760
Speaker 9: the good case, we can take their case that they're

2878
02:39:06,959 --> 02:39:10,920
Speaker 9: highlighting or information, or a case where they're highlighting information

2879
02:39:11,360 --> 02:39:14,320
Speaker 9: and dissect it and apply it to our community, even

2880
02:39:14,400 --> 02:39:17,080
Speaker 9: if that's not what the intent was. In other words,

2881
02:39:17,120 --> 02:39:20,039
Speaker 9: strategy says that even though you saw it, I'm going

2882
02:39:20,120 --> 02:39:22,200
Speaker 9: to use this as a means to an end, a

2883
02:39:22,320 --> 02:39:25,360
Speaker 9: greater end. Not that this is not important in and

2884
02:39:25,480 --> 02:39:27,760
Speaker 9: of itself, but I'm going to use this to highlight

2885
02:39:28,000 --> 02:39:30,200
Speaker 9: all the other killings that go on, all the other

2886
02:39:30,360 --> 02:39:33,879
Speaker 9: excessive use force cases, all the other cases when officers

2887
02:39:33,920 --> 02:39:35,959
Speaker 9: should have de escalated or moved out of the way.

2888
02:39:36,240 --> 02:39:38,120
Speaker 9: I'm going to use this case as a means to

2889
02:39:38,160 --> 02:39:41,000
Speaker 9: an end because while I want the other cases to

2890
02:39:41,040 --> 02:39:43,720
Speaker 9: get the attention that they need to get. While this

2891
02:39:43,959 --> 02:39:47,640
Speaker 9: is in the spotlight, I'm going to show you how

2892
02:39:47,720 --> 02:39:50,560
Speaker 9: I use this to get us to where we need

2893
02:39:50,640 --> 02:39:53,040
Speaker 9: to go with the other cases. And then as the caller,

2894
02:39:53,200 --> 02:39:55,520
Speaker 9: just then bring up those other cases so we can

2895
02:39:55,560 --> 02:39:57,840
Speaker 9: begin to look at them, begin to dissect them, and

2896
02:39:57,920 --> 02:40:01,360
Speaker 9: begin to talk about them. Didn't wait for others to

2897
02:40:01,600 --> 02:40:05,560
Speaker 9: highlight what was going on in our community, or not

2898
02:40:05,680 --> 02:40:07,920
Speaker 9: only doctor King, but the other leaders, whether it was

2899
02:40:08,320 --> 02:40:11,000
Speaker 9: the leaders here at t Newton and Eldis Clever, or

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02:40:11,120 --> 02:40:13,560
Speaker 9: whether it was a side of security. They didn't wait

2901
02:40:13,640 --> 02:40:19,280
Speaker 9: for other people to highlight the way we were being treated.

2902
02:40:19,680 --> 02:40:22,160
Speaker 9: They made sure that they found a means and a

2903
02:40:22,240 --> 02:40:25,440
Speaker 9: strategy and a method. And as I said earlier, anger

2904
02:40:25,560 --> 02:40:27,600
Speaker 9: is an emotion, and I see how we get angry,

2905
02:40:27,840 --> 02:40:30,640
Speaker 9: But anger is not a solution. Calling people out, calling

2906
02:40:30,720 --> 02:40:34,279
Speaker 9: people names, making fun of people, that's an emotional response,

2907
02:40:34,520 --> 02:40:36,920
Speaker 9: but that's not a strategy to change things.

2908
02:40:36,760 --> 02:40:37,280
Speaker 6: For the better.

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02:40:37,800 --> 02:40:40,360
Speaker 9: These people, if we go back and study this history

2910
02:40:40,440 --> 02:40:44,680
Speaker 9: in detail, they gave speeches. They talked doctor King, Gay's

2911
02:40:44,680 --> 02:40:46,680
Speaker 9: speech to these other people. They gave but they also

2912
02:40:46,879 --> 02:40:49,119
Speaker 9: had a strategy behind that. This is what we're gonna

2913
02:40:49,120 --> 02:40:51,760
Speaker 9: do next after we give this speech, this is what

2914
02:40:51,840 --> 02:40:54,279
Speaker 9: we're gonna do. After we do this, say they already

2915
02:40:54,360 --> 02:40:57,000
Speaker 9: had the next step of the process planned. So those

2916
02:40:57,080 --> 02:40:59,360
Speaker 9: cases don't get the attention because we don't give them

2917
02:40:59,360 --> 02:41:01,840
Speaker 9: the attention. We don't have a strategy to make sure,

2918
02:41:02,360 --> 02:41:05,040
Speaker 9: even if it's by using some other incident, that it

2919
02:41:05,160 --> 02:41:08,760
Speaker 9: get out and we're able to dissect another case by

2920
02:41:08,840 --> 02:41:11,720
Speaker 9: looking at this case, not to mitigate this case, but

2921
02:41:11,879 --> 02:41:15,400
Speaker 9: you elevate another case on the heels or on the back.

2922
02:41:15,280 --> 02:41:15,879
Speaker 13: Of this case.

2923
02:41:16,720 --> 02:41:18,400
Speaker 1: All right, twenty five off the top of I got

2924
02:41:18,440 --> 02:41:19,840
Speaker 1: a bunch of tweet questions. Let me do one of

2925
02:41:19,840 --> 02:41:23,080
Speaker 1: the tweet questions for you, doctor Powis. The tweeter says,

2926
02:41:23,200 --> 02:41:25,199
Speaker 1: is it legal for ICE agents to wear a mask

2927
02:41:25,800 --> 02:41:29,800
Speaker 1: under these circumstances? And if it is not, why hasn't

2928
02:41:29,840 --> 02:41:32,760
Speaker 1: the Governor's Association created a uniform policy to prevent them

2929
02:41:32,800 --> 02:41:36,000
Speaker 1: from wearing masks? Also, could a citizen legally say they

2930
02:41:36,080 --> 02:41:40,000
Speaker 1: felt threatened by ICE agents wearing masks and behaving belligerently

2931
02:41:40,400 --> 02:41:43,359
Speaker 1: and therefore shot an ICE agent? Would that a citizen

2932
02:41:43,480 --> 02:41:44,360
Speaker 1: have legal standing?

2933
02:41:45,360 --> 02:41:49,600
Speaker 9: Well, two things. Here's the thing that it's not illegal

2934
02:41:49,640 --> 02:41:51,600
Speaker 9: for them to wear masks, and they had justified it.

2935
02:41:51,720 --> 02:41:54,200
Speaker 9: They have tried to justify because they know it's a

2936
02:41:54,320 --> 02:41:56,840
Speaker 9: legitimate question. We wouldn't allow that for our local police

2937
02:41:56,840 --> 02:41:59,880
Speaker 9: departments because we have policiesm in place that doesn't allow that.

2938
02:42:00,120 --> 02:42:02,640
Speaker 9: We asked police officers to identify themselves evenen they make

2939
02:42:02,680 --> 02:42:05,240
Speaker 9: a traffic stop. But the ICE agents are saying that

2940
02:42:05,320 --> 02:42:07,600
Speaker 9: their lives will be in danger if they did that.

2941
02:42:07,800 --> 02:42:10,680
Speaker 9: So they're writing into their policy that this is a

2942
02:42:10,840 --> 02:42:14,800
Speaker 9: defense mechanism whether than a overt policy. And what they

2943
02:42:14,920 --> 02:42:18,760
Speaker 9: do to counteract the idea that I had on a mask,

2944
02:42:18,800 --> 02:42:20,280
Speaker 9: so they didn't know we were ICE. So they put

2945
02:42:20,320 --> 02:42:22,480
Speaker 9: them on a mask, and then they put on a

2946
02:42:22,680 --> 02:42:26,920
Speaker 9: vest or a or a jacket that says ICE, like

2947
02:42:27,000 --> 02:42:29,160
Speaker 9: the FBI. Do you put on a jacket to say FBI?

2948
02:42:29,320 --> 02:42:31,760
Speaker 9: So they take away the argument that I didn't know

2949
02:42:31,879 --> 02:42:34,160
Speaker 9: they were ICE because of the jacket. They take away

2950
02:42:34,240 --> 02:42:36,680
Speaker 9: that art. Now you could still argue that because anybody

2951
02:42:36,760 --> 02:42:39,160
Speaker 9: could get an ICE jacket or an FBI jacket, but

2952
02:42:39,320 --> 02:42:42,000
Speaker 9: they try to counter that argument. See this is what

2953
02:42:42,080 --> 02:42:45,039
Speaker 9: I mean by the strategy they're using against our emotion.

2954
02:42:45,200 --> 02:42:48,360
Speaker 9: They try to counter every argument they anticipate us making

2955
02:42:48,640 --> 02:42:50,600
Speaker 9: and then we've got to come back and counter that

2956
02:42:51,120 --> 02:42:54,840
Speaker 9: you're right with policy. The Governor's Association, the local mayors,

2957
02:42:55,280 --> 02:42:58,720
Speaker 9: the jurisdictions in which we in can come up with

2958
02:42:59,480 --> 02:43:03,800
Speaker 9: can come up with policy practices and statements. But they're

2959
02:43:03,840 --> 02:43:06,960
Speaker 9: too silent. I'm trying to tell you. Even here in Maryland,

2960
02:43:07,120 --> 02:43:10,879
Speaker 9: I mean the legislative black caucers, we're too silent. We've

2961
02:43:10,920 --> 02:43:13,600
Speaker 9: gotta we've got to at least get out there. You can.

2962
02:43:14,520 --> 02:43:16,680
Speaker 9: The congressmen from this area where it's squaw you see

2963
02:43:16,680 --> 02:43:19,120
Speaker 9: a full mas can get interviews every single day. They

2964
02:43:19,160 --> 02:43:20,879
Speaker 9: can go on every network they want to.

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02:43:20,879 --> 02:43:21,320
Speaker 12: Go on to.

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02:43:21,800 --> 02:43:24,080
Speaker 9: And I know there are consequences and repercussions. And I

2967
02:43:24,240 --> 02:43:27,880
Speaker 9: know from my background and the FBI working public corruption

2968
02:43:28,040 --> 02:43:31,119
Speaker 9: that some of them have some things and their background

2969
02:43:31,280 --> 02:43:34,440
Speaker 9: that they're being threatened with. If you take this stand,

2970
02:43:34,600 --> 02:43:38,520
Speaker 9: we will bring this out. Trump and his administration it's

2971
02:43:38,720 --> 02:43:43,440
Speaker 9: good at getting dirt on individuals and making them remain silent.

2972
02:43:43,560 --> 02:43:44,120
Speaker 7: They say that you.

2973
02:43:44,280 --> 02:43:46,600
Speaker 9: Can't you you don't necessarily have to agree with us,

2974
02:43:46,680 --> 02:43:48,680
Speaker 9: but you can't speak out. I know all that is

2975
02:43:48,720 --> 02:43:50,600
Speaker 9: in place, but these are the things we got to learn.

2976
02:43:50,760 --> 02:43:54,800
Speaker 9: Years ago, I did a workshop for a group of

2977
02:43:54,959 --> 02:43:58,640
Speaker 9: politicians in Chicago. They asked me to come up and

2978
02:43:58,680 --> 02:44:00,400
Speaker 9: I said, this is how they're going to at you.

2979
02:44:00,520 --> 02:44:03,160
Speaker 9: So when you first get in office, know that the

2980
02:44:03,280 --> 02:44:06,160
Speaker 9: people who you think are your friend are compiling things

2981
02:44:06,240 --> 02:44:09,520
Speaker 9: against you so that at some point they can silence you.

2982
02:44:09,879 --> 02:44:13,280
Speaker 9: And we got to tell our new politicians, young people

2983
02:44:13,320 --> 02:44:16,080
Speaker 9: who are running from office, that even though many people

2984
02:44:16,160 --> 02:44:19,519
Speaker 9: are smiling at you now, they are also gathering everybody's

2985
02:44:19,600 --> 02:44:21,600
Speaker 9: not your friend. You've got a small circle. You don't

2986
02:44:21,640 --> 02:44:25,040
Speaker 9: tell everybody everything because at some point that will be

2987
02:44:25,120 --> 02:44:28,000
Speaker 9: a weapon formed against you. And it's important for us.

2988
02:44:29,120 --> 02:44:32,000
Speaker 9: It is important for us to teach how young politicians

2989
02:44:32,080 --> 02:44:35,240
Speaker 9: that I'll say in closing from that standpoint, there was

2990
02:44:35,280 --> 02:44:38,600
Speaker 9: a local legislator who said to me specifically one on one,

2991
02:44:38,680 --> 02:44:40,480
Speaker 9: and I want out of now, but he said to

2992
02:44:40,520 --> 02:44:42,000
Speaker 9: me out, He said, Doc, I want to help you

2993
02:44:42,040 --> 02:44:44,280
Speaker 9: in any way. I can tell me how I can help,

2994
02:44:44,320 --> 02:44:46,840
Speaker 9: but I can't come out because they've got me on

2995
02:44:46,920 --> 02:44:49,560
Speaker 9: these tax issues and if I come out publicly, they're

2996
02:44:49,600 --> 02:44:51,520
Speaker 9: going to arrest me, charge me, and take me out

2997
02:44:51,560 --> 02:44:53,800
Speaker 9: of office on these tax issues. So I've made a

2998
02:44:53,959 --> 02:44:56,320
Speaker 9: compromise with them not to speak out, but tell me

2999
02:44:56,400 --> 02:44:58,600
Speaker 9: how I can help you in spite of that. And

3000
02:44:58,720 --> 02:45:01,760
Speaker 9: that's not just one politician who is in that position.

3001
02:45:02,160 --> 02:45:04,160
Speaker 9: That's the number of them is in that position. And

3002
02:45:04,240 --> 02:45:06,480
Speaker 9: we can prevent them from getting in that position if

3003
02:45:06,480 --> 02:45:09,640
Speaker 9: we just don't elect people, but prepare people for when

3004
02:45:09,680 --> 02:45:12,280
Speaker 9: they get elected. It is one thing parn J. Mitchell,

3005
02:45:12,480 --> 02:45:15,800
Speaker 9: the great Congressman from Maryland, probably the last great congressman

3006
02:45:15,840 --> 02:45:18,440
Speaker 9: we have from the state of Maryland, said at one

3007
02:45:18,480 --> 02:45:21,520
Speaker 9: point it's one thing to want power. It's another thing

3008
02:45:21,600 --> 02:45:22,760
Speaker 9: to know how to wield.

3009
02:45:22,520 --> 02:45:25,800
Speaker 1: It got you thirty after the top. Ye, let's take

3010
02:45:25,840 --> 02:45:28,080
Speaker 1: some more calls for doctor Tyrone Powers and form an

3011
02:45:28,200 --> 02:45:30,960
Speaker 1: FBI agent. Mark and Baltimore has a question for you.

3012
02:45:31,080 --> 02:45:33,280
Speaker 1: Mark's online five grand rise in Mark you on with

3013
02:45:33,360 --> 02:45:34,080
Speaker 1: doctor Powers.

3014
02:45:35,000 --> 02:45:37,760
Speaker 17: Hey, Hey, Grant, Robbie God excuse me, y'all, I got

3015
02:45:37,920 --> 02:45:38,720
Speaker 17: Lord to the world.

3016
02:45:38,760 --> 02:45:40,080
Speaker 10: But that part.

3017
02:45:41,480 --> 02:45:43,879
Speaker 17: What you said about the power and knowing how will

3018
02:45:44,080 --> 02:45:48,480
Speaker 17: that's the thing here at Baltimore. Carl, excuse you, guys

3019
02:45:48,520 --> 02:45:51,960
Speaker 17: would be glad to hear because well you, Carl and

3020
02:45:52,360 --> 02:45:56,320
Speaker 17: everybody standing up with Baltimore supporting the boys' school uh

3021
02:45:56,400 --> 02:45:59,160
Speaker 17: here in Baltimore that they were going to close again, Tyron,

3022
02:46:00,160 --> 02:46:04,000
Speaker 17: even though the last since pretty great. We've had two

3023
02:46:04,040 --> 02:46:07,279
Speaker 17: thousand or more young black men killed by their peers

3024
02:46:08,240 --> 02:46:12,560
Speaker 17: since then. But anyway, he said, uh, uh call that.

3025
02:46:13,280 --> 02:46:16,240
Speaker 17: Uh three, I think three or four of the board

3026
02:46:16,320 --> 02:46:18,199
Speaker 17: members are coming over to his school.

3027
02:46:19,320 --> 02:46:22,840
Speaker 1: And you know, and and go through his school favor

3028
02:46:22,879 --> 02:46:24,560
Speaker 1: because you've got some more folks w want to talk

3029
02:46:24,600 --> 02:46:27,320
Speaker 1: to Dr Powers. Can you you have a question for him?

3030
02:46:28,160 --> 02:46:29,120
Speaker 7: I absolutely do.

3031
02:46:29,800 --> 02:46:31,600
Speaker 17: Uh uh Dodor Powers.

3032
02:46:31,640 --> 02:46:32,400
Speaker 7: I read your book.

3033
02:46:32,879 --> 02:46:38,840
Speaker 17: But the legislature is getting ready to start Wednesday. They

3034
02:46:38,959 --> 02:46:44,760
Speaker 17: already got a bill that that wants to take juvenile

3035
02:46:45,280 --> 02:46:49,000
Speaker 17: not have juvenile crime if you've murdered somebody whatever, or

3036
02:46:49,080 --> 02:46:55,600
Speaker 17: not go to adult rich Gibson uh Young States attorney

3037
02:46:55,680 --> 02:46:58,840
Speaker 17: said that that's backwards. What do you think that we

3038
02:46:58,879 --> 02:47:01,320
Speaker 17: should be focusing on? And he said, we don't think

3039
02:47:01,360 --> 02:47:03,560
Speaker 17: about the victims. What do you think they should be

3040
02:47:03,640 --> 02:47:06,160
Speaker 17: focussed on? In the Annapolis As far as the juvenile

3041
02:47:06,400 --> 02:47:09,720
Speaker 17: justice reform, this that rank.

3042
02:47:11,840 --> 02:47:13,520
Speaker 9: Two thing I do is very quickly because I know

3043
02:47:13,560 --> 02:47:15,200
Speaker 9: we got other cause and it may be something for

3044
02:47:15,280 --> 02:47:17,120
Speaker 9: another day, but the reality of the matter is the

3045
02:47:17,160 --> 02:47:19,760
Speaker 9: purpose of the juvenile justice system. You got to go

3046
02:47:19,879 --> 02:47:22,480
Speaker 9: back to the origin of that was because that there

3047
02:47:22,560 --> 02:47:27,320
Speaker 9: was some conclusion that juveniles didn't have the mental capacity

3048
02:47:27,440 --> 02:47:29,920
Speaker 9: to make the same decisions as adults. And you got

3049
02:47:30,040 --> 02:47:32,680
Speaker 9: to remember that that was beneficue at the time that

3050
02:47:32,760 --> 02:47:35,720
Speaker 9: we were talking about majority of white citizens. You have

3051
02:47:35,800 --> 02:47:37,520
Speaker 9: to have a work permit because you couldn't make a

3052
02:47:37,600 --> 02:47:40,440
Speaker 9: right decision statutory rape if you at a certain age,

3053
02:47:40,480 --> 02:47:42,640
Speaker 9: you can't give consent, even because we're saying that you

3054
02:47:42,760 --> 02:47:45,360
Speaker 9: can't possibly make that decisions. So we have to go

3055
02:47:45,480 --> 02:47:47,960
Speaker 9: back to the origin of that, look at that, and

3056
02:47:48,040 --> 02:47:50,120
Speaker 9: then make the adjustments for that. I could get in

3057
02:47:50,280 --> 02:47:54,080
Speaker 9: more detail with that, but I know we got limited

3058
02:47:54,160 --> 02:47:56,160
Speaker 9: time and a number of other callers, but we got

3059
02:47:56,280 --> 02:47:57,720
Speaker 9: to look at the purpose of that. So we have

3060
02:47:57,840 --> 02:48:01,000
Speaker 9: to make sure that with all of this noise, because

3061
02:48:01,080 --> 02:48:03,840
Speaker 9: the majority of young people are doing the right thing,

3062
02:48:04,920 --> 02:48:07,800
Speaker 9: it is highlighted when it's us. But if you're a victim,

3063
02:48:07,879 --> 02:48:10,320
Speaker 9: and I do get that part too, it doesn't matter

3064
02:48:10,360 --> 02:48:12,320
Speaker 9: whether the majority are doing the right thing and you're

3065
02:48:12,440 --> 02:48:15,280
Speaker 9: victimized by one, you want something done about that. So

3066
02:48:15,400 --> 02:48:17,400
Speaker 9: there's a middle ground for that that I hope that

3067
02:48:17,480 --> 02:48:20,640
Speaker 9: they'll just say is take into consideration. And I think

3068
02:48:20,680 --> 02:48:22,680
Speaker 9: We're going to have to help them. I think they're

3069
02:48:22,720 --> 02:48:25,360
Speaker 9: going to We're going to have to help them with

3070
02:48:25,440 --> 02:48:28,640
Speaker 9: the research. Because remember, politicians are elected not based on

3071
02:48:28,879 --> 02:48:33,760
Speaker 9: their intelligence, even though this doesn't say they're not intelligence

3072
02:48:33,879 --> 02:48:36,640
Speaker 9: or they're expert in a certain field, but they have

3073
02:48:36,760 --> 02:48:39,039
Speaker 9: to be smart enough to go get the experts and say,

3074
02:48:39,120 --> 02:48:42,800
Speaker 9: how best do I handle this to preserve the reason

3075
02:48:42,920 --> 02:48:46,520
Speaker 9: that juvenile justice was created understanding that a male brain

3076
02:48:46,600 --> 02:48:49,120
Speaker 9: don't fully mature until twenty five to twenty six and

3077
02:48:49,200 --> 02:48:52,200
Speaker 9: a female brain to twenty two, how do I write

3078
02:48:52,280 --> 02:48:54,960
Speaker 9: a law or put this in place because it's not

3079
02:48:55,080 --> 02:48:58,800
Speaker 9: so dry Conian that it doesn't take that into consideration,

3080
02:48:58,959 --> 02:49:01,800
Speaker 9: but on the other hand, that it's not so liberal

3081
02:49:02,320 --> 02:49:05,160
Speaker 9: that it doesn't take into consideration that certain people are

3082
02:49:05,280 --> 02:49:06,280
Speaker 9: victimizing others.

3083
02:49:07,360 --> 02:49:09,880
Speaker 1: Got you twenty seven Away from the top with doctor

3084
02:49:09,920 --> 02:49:12,600
Speaker 1: Tyrone Powers, Thomas is reaching out to us. He's in Maryland?

3085
02:49:12,720 --> 02:49:16,000
Speaker 1: Is online too? Grand Rising? Thomas your question for doctor Powers?

3086
02:49:18,600 --> 02:49:18,800
Speaker 6: Yes?

3087
02:49:19,080 --> 02:49:19,600
Speaker 10: Can you hear me?

3088
02:49:21,720 --> 02:49:21,879
Speaker 6: Yes?

3089
02:49:22,000 --> 02:49:22,240
Speaker 1: Sure?

3090
02:49:24,840 --> 02:49:27,520
Speaker 10: First of all, thank you for bringing up doctor King,

3091
02:49:28,480 --> 02:49:32,400
Speaker 10: but will will we don't bring up is today is

3092
02:49:32,480 --> 02:49:36,640
Speaker 10: doctor Khala Muhammad's birthday? Who would have told us I

3093
02:49:36,879 --> 02:49:40,160
Speaker 10: for a life for a life. My question to you

3094
02:49:40,560 --> 02:49:45,920
Speaker 10: is on Meet the Press Sunday, they had the chief

3095
02:49:46,600 --> 02:49:51,720
Speaker 10: of Ice on and he was questioned about stealing money.

3096
02:49:51,879 --> 02:49:57,760
Speaker 10: Did the money he stole fifty thousand dollars? And he

3097
02:49:57,959 --> 02:50:01,480
Speaker 10: talked about he was asked the question that the audio

3098
02:50:02,680 --> 02:50:07,840
Speaker 10: that came out, one Ice agent was telling the lady

3099
02:50:08,440 --> 02:50:12,800
Speaker 10: to pull off, get out of here, and the other

3100
02:50:13,000 --> 02:50:16,200
Speaker 10: Ice agent was telling her to get out the car.

3101
02:50:17,760 --> 02:50:24,480
Speaker 10: So just because of that misdirection, should charges be brought

3102
02:50:24,560 --> 02:50:30,920
Speaker 10: up for that misdirection of confusion? Because if somebody one

3103
02:50:31,000 --> 02:50:34,880
Speaker 10: telling you go one time, you stay, Now she's killed,

3104
02:50:36,000 --> 02:50:38,320
Speaker 10: where is the mild practice in that?

3105
02:50:40,680 --> 02:50:43,960
Speaker 9: Yeah? Two things. First of all, under this administration, with

3106
02:50:44,080 --> 02:50:46,880
Speaker 9: this leadership, that is never going to happen. That's why

3107
02:50:46,920 --> 02:50:49,480
Speaker 9: I said we need to go a different strategy. A

3108
02:50:49,560 --> 02:50:52,360
Speaker 9: whole outopsy need to be done on that situation. Again,

3109
02:50:52,440 --> 02:50:55,200
Speaker 9: the Supreme Court has said, in any use of force cases,

3110
02:50:55,280 --> 02:50:57,760
Speaker 9: the totality of the circumstances, which means you get to

3111
02:50:57,840 --> 02:51:00,600
Speaker 9: look at every aspect of that particul the case. So

3112
02:51:00,680 --> 02:51:04,080
Speaker 9: that's going to require some kind of lawsuit. Again, the

3113
02:51:04,200 --> 02:51:07,360
Speaker 9: President is trying to counter that because he understand the

3114
02:51:07,400 --> 02:51:11,959
Speaker 9: strategy that I'm talking about on the US Attorney when

3115
02:51:11,959 --> 02:51:14,760
Speaker 9: they talked about absolute immunity. They're trying to discourage that.

3116
02:51:15,280 --> 02:51:17,840
Speaker 9: But the reality of the matter is absolute immunity doesn't

3117
02:51:17,879 --> 02:51:21,640
Speaker 9: necessarily protect the agency. So you can begin to proceed

3118
02:51:21,800 --> 02:51:23,600
Speaker 9: and go forward with this, or at least try to

3119
02:51:23,680 --> 02:51:26,480
Speaker 9: proceed and go forward with it, so that autopsy can

3120
02:51:26,560 --> 02:51:29,240
Speaker 9: be done on this case. And even if the outcome

3121
02:51:30,000 --> 02:51:31,960
Speaker 9: in this particular case is not what we want it

3122
02:51:32,040 --> 02:51:35,840
Speaker 9: to be, the autopsy in itself will help us tremendously.

3123
02:51:36,200 --> 02:51:38,480
Speaker 9: Like I said, some things are a means to an end.

3124
02:51:38,840 --> 02:51:41,480
Speaker 9: Some things aren't in in itself. Have people say all

3125
02:51:41,560 --> 02:51:43,240
Speaker 9: the time we doc that ain't going to do that

3126
02:51:43,320 --> 02:51:45,240
Speaker 9: and that ain't gonna result nothing I said, But some

3127
02:51:45,560 --> 02:51:48,920
Speaker 9: autopsis is a mean to a greater end rather than

3128
02:51:48,959 --> 02:51:51,039
Speaker 9: an end of itself. I think we started the program

3129
02:51:51,160 --> 02:51:54,240
Speaker 9: that they called we were talking about these general issues,

3130
02:51:54,280 --> 02:51:59,400
Speaker 9: what was happening in Venezuela, all these these toppling of

3131
02:51:59,480 --> 02:52:01,959
Speaker 9: governments all around the world, what's happening in Iran, which

3132
02:52:02,040 --> 02:52:06,560
Speaker 9: is absolutely unequivocally nothing but a Central Intelligence Agency operation

3133
02:52:07,080 --> 02:52:11,360
Speaker 9: because it happened before and it doesn't Let me just

3134
02:52:11,400 --> 02:52:14,760
Speaker 9: say this very quickly, We're not assessing the leadership of

3135
02:52:14,840 --> 02:52:17,360
Speaker 9: these particular countries. You may not like them. What we're

3136
02:52:17,400 --> 02:52:21,400
Speaker 9: assessing is the Eisenhoward doctrine, which allows you to topple

3137
02:52:21,480 --> 02:52:24,879
Speaker 9: governments unless they bow down to you and kiss your ring.

3138
02:52:25,640 --> 02:52:27,760
Speaker 9: But that kind of research is the research we need

3139
02:52:27,840 --> 02:52:31,000
Speaker 9: to do. That's what Congressional Black Coucer should be examining.

3140
02:52:31,240 --> 02:52:33,600
Speaker 9: And that's the strategies that we put in place, not

3141
02:52:33,680 --> 02:52:36,279
Speaker 9: just yelling about it, but what is the next step,

3142
02:52:36,440 --> 02:52:38,640
Speaker 9: What is the strategy that we go to deal with

3143
02:52:38,720 --> 02:52:40,680
Speaker 9: The Iranians know what's happening, and they know that's a

3144
02:52:40,760 --> 02:52:44,200
Speaker 9: Central Intelligence Agency operation. They've seen it before. It's been

3145
02:52:44,320 --> 02:52:47,040
Speaker 9: done there before. We saw it with patries, La Muma

3146
02:52:47,120 --> 02:52:49,520
Speaker 9: and the Congo. We saw it in every African nation.

3147
02:52:49,720 --> 02:52:52,880
Speaker 9: We saw it in Latin American countries when they were

3148
02:52:52,920 --> 02:52:56,480
Speaker 9: overthrown for corporate interests, and we saw the Eisenhoward doctrine.

3149
02:52:56,480 --> 02:52:59,000
Speaker 9: We simply said that the government, the country, the world

3150
02:52:59,040 --> 02:53:02,920
Speaker 9: should be run by capitalism and economics and the military

3151
02:53:03,240 --> 02:53:05,920
Speaker 9: should enforce that. It's the same doctor. There's nothing new

3152
02:53:06,040 --> 02:53:08,080
Speaker 9: under the sun. But you have to know that in

3153
02:53:08,280 --> 02:53:10,280
Speaker 9: order to come up with the proper measures to counter

3154
02:53:10,320 --> 02:53:11,279
Speaker 9: it as they did before.

3155
02:53:12,440 --> 02:53:14,280
Speaker 1: All right, we'll come up on a break. Thank you, Thomas.

3156
02:53:14,320 --> 02:53:16,560
Speaker 1: I asks you a question. Post this question, I'll let

3157
02:53:16,560 --> 02:53:18,800
Speaker 1: you respond when we get back. What we're seeing now

3158
02:53:19,200 --> 02:53:23,320
Speaker 1: is Donald Trump pulling out the Monroe doctrine. What we're

3159
02:53:23,320 --> 02:53:26,040
Speaker 1: seeing is that in line and what's going on now?

3160
02:53:26,120 --> 02:53:27,520
Speaker 1: And I let you explain that. We still got some

3161
02:53:27,560 --> 02:53:28,880
Speaker 1: more folks going to talk to you and got some

3162
02:53:28,959 --> 02:53:31,160
Speaker 1: tweets as well. Family, you two want to get in

3163
02:53:31,320 --> 02:53:33,760
Speaker 1: on the action with doctor Tyrone Powers. Reach out to

3164
02:53:33,879 --> 02:53:36,600
Speaker 1: us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight

3165
02:53:36,920 --> 02:53:39,080
Speaker 1: seventy six or twenty three minutes away from the top there.

3166
02:53:39,240 --> 02:53:41,960
Speaker 1: We'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family,

3167
02:53:42,040 --> 02:53:44,279
Speaker 1: thanks to staying with us on this Monday morning, seventeen

3168
02:53:44,280 --> 02:53:46,040
Speaker 1: minutes away from the top of the out of our guest,

3169
02:53:46,120 --> 02:53:49,040
Speaker 1: the doctor Tyrone Powers. Doctor Powers is a former FBI

3170
02:53:49,120 --> 02:53:51,160
Speaker 1: agent and also he's written a book called Ice to

3171
02:53:51,240 --> 02:53:54,880
Speaker 1: My Soul, The Rise or Decline of a Black FBI Agent.

3172
02:53:55,040 --> 02:53:57,760
Speaker 1: And before we left the break, doctor Powers, my question

3173
02:53:57,840 --> 02:54:00,280
Speaker 1: to you was about the Monroe doctrinecause we've seen Donald

3174
02:54:00,280 --> 02:54:03,520
Speaker 1: Trump threatened to annex Canada's going after Cuba is going

3175
02:54:03,520 --> 02:54:07,360
Speaker 1: after Columbia, of course, of Venezuela. Is this what we're

3176
02:54:07,360 --> 02:54:09,880
Speaker 1: seeing a reincarnation and if so, is it going to

3177
02:54:09,920 --> 02:54:11,240
Speaker 1: be the Trump doctrine.

3178
02:54:12,879 --> 02:54:15,920
Speaker 9: Well, it's kind of it's kind of an an If

3179
02:54:15,959 --> 02:54:18,680
Speaker 9: he's used in the Monroe doctrine, which was trying to

3180
02:54:18,879 --> 02:54:23,080
Speaker 9: keep the Europeans from colonizing places in the Americas, he's

3181
02:54:23,120 --> 02:54:26,360
Speaker 9: doing it in reverse because he's actually colonizing. That's what

3182
02:54:26,400 --> 02:54:29,200
Speaker 9: we're seeing all over the world, these proxy wars, the

3183
02:54:29,280 --> 02:54:33,080
Speaker 9: one in Iran, the one in Nigeria, the one in Venezuela.

3184
02:54:33,160 --> 02:54:37,680
Speaker 9: These proxy wars are a US is an opportunity for

3185
02:54:37,760 --> 02:54:42,560
Speaker 9: this administration to actually colonize and subordinate nations, not the

3186
02:54:43,840 --> 02:54:46,480
Speaker 9: exact opposite of the purpose of the Monroe doctrine was

3187
02:54:46,560 --> 02:54:50,240
Speaker 9: to keep the Europeans from interfering in American affairs and

3188
02:54:50,360 --> 02:54:52,959
Speaker 9: colonizing places in the United States of America. So he's

3189
02:54:52,959 --> 02:54:55,960
Speaker 9: actually doing it in reverse because he's actually, as I

3190
02:54:56,040 --> 02:54:59,080
Speaker 9: said before, he's more moving you more of the eisenhowerd

3191
02:54:59,120 --> 02:55:02,640
Speaker 9: doctrine under our Dallas and John Foster Dallas, who said

3192
02:55:02,680 --> 02:55:04,959
Speaker 9: that the US should rule the world by its economics

3193
02:55:05,000 --> 02:55:07,000
Speaker 9: and that should be enforced by the military. I mean,

3194
02:55:07,080 --> 02:55:09,560
Speaker 9: that's not new. And they actually went about the business

3195
02:55:09,600 --> 02:55:12,480
Speaker 9: of doing that again when they were topping all these

3196
02:55:12,560 --> 02:55:16,400
Speaker 9: governments in Africa and every place else in Latin America

3197
02:55:16,959 --> 02:55:19,880
Speaker 9: and taking out all these other leaders to this proxy

3198
02:55:19,959 --> 02:55:23,320
Speaker 9: war and then using excuses like for a case in Venezuela.

3199
02:55:23,480 --> 02:55:25,120
Speaker 9: It doesn't matter whether you like the leader or not,

3200
02:55:25,240 --> 02:55:27,240
Speaker 9: but the whole concept that we were doing this to

3201
02:55:27,320 --> 02:55:30,680
Speaker 9: deal with drugs. Now we're taking their oil. After for

3202
02:55:31,160 --> 02:55:33,920
Speaker 9: numerous years you said that the greatest threat to America

3203
02:55:34,000 --> 02:55:36,800
Speaker 9: in terms of drugs with China, and it's Sentanel but

3204
02:55:36,879 --> 02:55:40,640
Speaker 9: you damn surere now go dismasch the Chinese president. So

3205
02:55:40,840 --> 02:55:42,880
Speaker 9: you go to Venezuela and you use this as a

3206
02:55:43,000 --> 02:55:46,440
Speaker 9: pretext and now you're talking about controlling the oil. And

3207
02:55:46,520 --> 02:55:49,199
Speaker 9: there's no connection between the drug trade.

3208
02:55:48,959 --> 02:55:49,520
Speaker 10: And their oil.

3209
02:55:49,879 --> 02:55:53,120
Speaker 9: So it's more of a colonization of proxy war. And

3210
02:55:53,160 --> 02:55:56,440
Speaker 9: it's the Eisenhower doctrine. And even Eisenhower in the end

3211
02:55:56,560 --> 02:56:00,320
Speaker 9: recognized how horrific this was becoming, because he's the one

3212
02:56:00,360 --> 02:56:02,959
Speaker 9: that came up with the term the military industrial complex,

3213
02:56:03,280 --> 02:56:05,520
Speaker 9: and when he told the American citizens to be careful

3214
02:56:05,560 --> 02:56:08,280
Speaker 9: of the mixture of economic and the military, which is

3215
02:56:08,400 --> 02:56:13,960
Speaker 9: exactly what Trump is actually doing, and this administration is

3216
02:56:14,040 --> 02:56:17,000
Speaker 9: arsicually be doing all around the world, and with the

3217
02:56:17,120 --> 02:56:21,160
Speaker 9: distraction being in this particular country. You remember, the philosophy

3218
02:56:21,280 --> 02:56:24,080
Speaker 9: was always that you distract the people with sport and

3219
02:56:24,200 --> 02:56:27,000
Speaker 9: play and then you could That's why the Honorbolija Muhammad said,

3220
02:56:27,040 --> 02:56:29,120
Speaker 9: be very careful with sport and play because while you're

3221
02:56:29,120 --> 02:56:31,680
Speaker 9: watching the game, somebody's running a game on you. So

3222
02:56:31,760 --> 02:56:33,760
Speaker 9: he said very careful. He didn't say you can't like

3223
02:56:33,840 --> 02:56:35,840
Speaker 9: sport and play. He said, be very careful of the

3224
02:56:35,920 --> 02:56:39,000
Speaker 9: distraction that provides while other things are occurring. And that's

3225
02:56:39,000 --> 02:56:41,320
Speaker 9: what we're saying. We're seeing foxy wars all over the country.

3226
02:56:41,360 --> 02:56:44,440
Speaker 9: But the response to that. Having worked counterintelligence is going

3227
02:56:44,520 --> 02:56:47,480
Speaker 9: to be something that is going to impact this year,

3228
02:56:47,879 --> 02:56:51,240
Speaker 9: this country for generations. Remember, most of the things that

3229
02:56:51,400 --> 02:56:55,520
Speaker 9: prevented terrorism in this nation had come from intelligence given

3230
02:56:55,640 --> 02:56:59,840
Speaker 9: to our intelligence agencies by other nations, and if they

3231
02:57:00,000 --> 02:57:02,720
Speaker 9: stop sharing that information, then they're going to be more

3232
02:57:02,840 --> 02:57:05,560
Speaker 9: terrorist incidents in this nation. Intelligence have always been a

3233
02:57:05,640 --> 02:57:11,560
Speaker 9: quid pro quote. It always been the philosophy of Eisenhower

3234
02:57:11,600 --> 02:57:14,800
Speaker 9: and Truman. No permanent friends, no permanent enemies, just permanent interests,

3235
02:57:14,800 --> 02:57:16,200
Speaker 9: and as long as it was in the interests of

3236
02:57:16,280 --> 02:57:19,240
Speaker 9: other nations to make sure that the US wasn't harmed

3237
02:57:19,320 --> 02:57:22,680
Speaker 9: because it was directly connected to them, then they provided information.

3238
02:57:22,760 --> 02:57:25,480
Speaker 9: They provided information on the nine to eleven situation. They

3239
02:57:25,520 --> 02:57:28,640
Speaker 9: provide over three hundred terrorist attacks were stopped in the

3240
02:57:28,760 --> 02:57:31,800
Speaker 9: last couple of years based on information from these other nations.

3241
02:57:32,040 --> 02:57:34,480
Speaker 9: When the other nations, who are looking out for their

3242
02:57:34,600 --> 02:57:38,080
Speaker 9: interests no longer see the benefit of providing that information,

3243
02:57:38,480 --> 02:57:41,040
Speaker 9: then the consequences of repercussions are going to impact this

3244
02:57:41,240 --> 02:57:43,560
Speaker 9: nation for years, and it's going to unpact everybody here.

3245
02:57:43,840 --> 02:57:46,000
Speaker 9: It's just that we're not looking at you know, the

3246
02:57:46,040 --> 02:57:48,200
Speaker 9: Bibles that people without a vision or perished. We're not

3247
02:57:48,280 --> 02:57:50,959
Speaker 9: looking at the long term impact and effect. And even

3248
02:57:51,000 --> 02:57:53,879
Speaker 9: when we do, we have so many people who remain

3249
02:57:53,920 --> 02:57:56,800
Speaker 9: who are exercising their right to remain silent. And I

3250
02:57:56,840 --> 02:57:58,960
Speaker 9: will say that again of the Congression of Black clo

3251
02:57:59,000 --> 02:58:01,560
Speaker 9: because I'm not talking about individual congress people going on

3252
02:58:01,680 --> 02:58:03,720
Speaker 9: these shows like Meet the Press and speaking about it.

3253
02:58:04,040 --> 02:58:07,120
Speaker 9: I mean these entities holding mass press conferences is what

3254
02:58:07,200 --> 02:58:10,240
Speaker 9: we need now. The Black Church, as doctor King didn't

3255
02:58:10,280 --> 02:58:15,920
Speaker 9: don't celebrate Doctor King by mimicking his oratory, without mimicking

3256
02:58:16,000 --> 02:58:18,960
Speaker 9: his behavior. Again, Biblically, it says you will know them

3257
02:58:19,040 --> 02:58:22,360
Speaker 9: by their deeds, not by their words. So duplicate that

3258
02:58:22,520 --> 02:58:26,560
Speaker 9: by speaking out against these proxy wars all over the city, state, nation,

3259
02:58:26,720 --> 02:58:29,640
Speaker 9: and world, and what's happening in this particular nation in

3260
02:58:29,720 --> 02:58:32,720
Speaker 9: a strong way where you're willing, if necessary, to suffer

3261
02:58:33,160 --> 02:58:34,840
Speaker 9: some consequences of repercussions.

3262
02:58:35,600 --> 02:58:37,560
Speaker 1: Twelve away from the top of that, with doctor Powers,

3263
02:58:37,640 --> 02:58:40,000
Speaker 1: Carl is calling us from West Palm Beach in Florida's

3264
02:58:40,040 --> 02:58:43,480
Speaker 1: on line one, Grand Rising Carl and with doctor Powers.

3265
02:58:44,520 --> 02:58:47,600
Speaker 19: Grand Rising Family, Doctor Power, I wanted to look at it.

3266
02:58:47,600 --> 02:58:49,520
Speaker 19: You know, a lot of conversation has been going on

3267
02:58:49,720 --> 02:58:52,280
Speaker 19: right now. Should the black man join the military of

3268
02:58:52,360 --> 02:58:55,760
Speaker 19: the United States Army and those of us who understand

3269
02:58:55,800 --> 02:58:59,000
Speaker 19: that their America has a domestic policy, on the foreign policy,

3270
02:58:59,120 --> 02:59:01,879
Speaker 19: you will come up on the auspices of those who

3271
02:59:02,040 --> 02:59:06,600
Speaker 19: joined the domestic policy and supposed to be in a

3272
02:59:06,680 --> 02:59:08,880
Speaker 19: position so that we can get some real information, in

3273
02:59:08,959 --> 02:59:12,440
Speaker 19: which you always do. But I was hoping that before

3274
02:59:12,520 --> 02:59:14,920
Speaker 19: you leave the day that you could give some of

3275
02:59:15,040 --> 02:59:17,680
Speaker 19: us that are locked on the corners some of the drugs,

3276
02:59:17,760 --> 02:59:19,720
Speaker 19: some of the all of the crazy stuff that's going

3277
02:59:19,760 --> 02:59:24,560
Speaker 19: on in the black community. Would you tell us plainly

3278
02:59:24,959 --> 02:59:28,120
Speaker 19: what the county and teil pro program was, since that

3279
02:59:28,320 --> 02:59:31,160
Speaker 19: was the wall that was wised here domestically. And I

3280
02:59:31,240 --> 02:59:34,280
Speaker 19: think many times we blend both of them together, the

3281
02:59:34,440 --> 02:59:37,360
Speaker 19: domestic and the UH in the foreign policy, and we

3282
02:59:37,520 --> 02:59:40,920
Speaker 19: do ourselves with disservice because this coming Martin Luther King.

3283
02:59:41,120 --> 02:59:44,800
Speaker 19: Remember Martin Luther King was focused on the domestic policy,

3284
02:59:45,160 --> 02:59:47,920
Speaker 19: and I think we I know, we got to expand

3285
02:59:48,080 --> 02:59:50,440
Speaker 19: him to every to the whole world, but I think

3286
02:59:50,520 --> 02:59:52,560
Speaker 19: it would help those of us because a lot of

3287
02:59:52,640 --> 02:59:54,800
Speaker 19: our brothers don't listen to radio and stuff, but if

3288
02:59:54,800 --> 02:59:57,920
Speaker 19: they heard something plain and simple. And I was one

3289
02:59:58,000 --> 03:00:01,359
Speaker 19: that lastly, had you started to tour of the colleges

3290
03:00:01,400 --> 03:00:04,000
Speaker 19: and universities so that you could give that kind of

3291
03:00:04,040 --> 03:00:06,720
Speaker 19: information to our families, so that these younger people could

3292
03:00:06,760 --> 03:00:10,240
Speaker 19: assist in trying to establish some kind of real parameters

3293
03:00:10,520 --> 03:00:13,440
Speaker 19: of safety for ourselves. And that's that's my question.

3294
03:00:14,160 --> 03:00:16,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'll make this brief only because of the time

3295
03:00:16,440 --> 03:00:18,720
Speaker 9: and the reality of the man. And so I'm so

3296
03:00:18,840 --> 03:00:21,000
Speaker 9: impressed with our young people because when you make it

3297
03:00:21,080 --> 03:00:23,400
Speaker 9: plane walk through its step by step, and you're not

3298
03:00:23,520 --> 03:00:26,120
Speaker 9: doing name calling or so on and so forth, but

3299
03:00:26,200 --> 03:00:29,640
Speaker 9: you because they want to understand not only what's going on,

3300
03:00:29,920 --> 03:00:32,240
Speaker 9: but how they can work to change it. You can't

3301
03:00:32,440 --> 03:00:36,000
Speaker 9: just give people bad information and then have them hang

3302
03:00:36,120 --> 03:00:38,320
Speaker 9: up the phone or hang up or turn off their

3303
03:00:38,400 --> 03:00:41,200
Speaker 9: radio or turn off the internet and say things are

3304
03:00:41,320 --> 03:00:43,800
Speaker 9: really bad. You want to give them a solution to

3305
03:00:43,920 --> 03:00:46,360
Speaker 9: the problems. Otherwise they go to the bathroom. They could

3306
03:00:46,400 --> 03:00:48,760
Speaker 9: raise the blade and cut their risk. And so my

3307
03:00:50,240 --> 03:00:52,760
Speaker 9: engagement with young people have been to walk through this.

3308
03:00:52,959 --> 03:00:55,880
Speaker 9: And every time I walked through this with young people

3309
03:00:55,920 --> 03:00:59,200
Speaker 9: at colleges and universities across this nation and outside of

3310
03:00:59,280 --> 03:01:01,840
Speaker 9: this nation, into Bermuda, I actually went to Cuba, went

3311
03:01:01,879 --> 03:01:04,800
Speaker 9: to other places and walked them through this particular thing.

3312
03:01:05,280 --> 03:01:08,960
Speaker 9: They truly get it, you know. Coen taelpro was so effective.

3313
03:01:09,040 --> 03:01:11,320
Speaker 9: I mean, we've got it. Sometime we got to admit

3314
03:01:11,760 --> 03:01:14,760
Speaker 9: it really destroyed a lot of our organizations. That destroyed

3315
03:01:14,800 --> 03:01:17,880
Speaker 9: a lot of our will. It destroyed it took us

3316
03:01:17,959 --> 03:01:21,360
Speaker 9: from seeing education as a priority. Again. We are in

3317
03:01:21,440 --> 03:01:24,840
Speaker 9: Baltimore City. We got a fifty sixty percent drop, all right,

3318
03:01:24,920 --> 03:01:27,240
Speaker 9: If we have a counted right in our schools and

3319
03:01:27,280 --> 03:01:29,920
Speaker 9: even people who are graduating and not being properly educated.

3320
03:01:29,959 --> 03:01:31,840
Speaker 9: Part of Coen Telpro was to make sure that we

3321
03:01:31,959 --> 03:01:35,960
Speaker 9: stay ignorant, just like Paul Pott did in Cambodia with

3322
03:01:36,080 --> 03:01:38,200
Speaker 9: the Camet Rouge when he was killing all people and

3323
03:01:38,240 --> 03:01:40,840
Speaker 9: getting rid of schools, and educate. Gebus, who was Hitler's

3324
03:01:41,240 --> 03:01:45,160
Speaker 9: propaganda specialists, said that the worst thing you can do

3325
03:01:45,320 --> 03:01:48,400
Speaker 9: is educate the population because once you educate them, they'll

3326
03:01:48,440 --> 03:01:51,439
Speaker 9: come up with counter measures for your policy and your dictatorship.

3327
03:01:51,760 --> 03:01:54,600
Speaker 9: That was Hitler's guy. So co and Telpro worked on

3328
03:01:54,800 --> 03:01:57,640
Speaker 9: so many levels that it has never ended. And when

3329
03:01:57,680 --> 03:02:01,080
Speaker 9: we look at our education system, drugs in our community,

3330
03:02:01,120 --> 03:02:04,280
Speaker 9: the drugs on our street, people go to drugs and

3331
03:02:04,320 --> 03:02:07,120
Speaker 9: alcohol to escape their reality because they've given up on

3332
03:02:07,320 --> 03:02:11,520
Speaker 9: changing their reality. And Cointelpro was designed to make us

3333
03:02:11,600 --> 03:02:14,480
Speaker 9: accept our reality and the only escape we would get

3334
03:02:14,720 --> 03:02:18,000
Speaker 9: was from Friday night parties, alcohol and drugs. And it

3335
03:02:18,520 --> 03:02:21,200
Speaker 9: was very effective an impactful for that for us to

3336
03:02:21,360 --> 03:02:25,200
Speaker 9: understand that as I walk young people through that, then

3337
03:02:25,240 --> 03:02:27,240
Speaker 9: they understand that, then they can counter that. So I

3338
03:02:27,280 --> 03:02:29,240
Speaker 9: think that's so important. I think you're right. I know

3339
03:02:29,360 --> 03:02:31,400
Speaker 9: we don't have time to cover in all the day.

3340
03:02:31,480 --> 03:02:34,320
Speaker 9: But when young people, you gotta make it plain to them.

3341
03:02:34,360 --> 03:02:38,080
Speaker 9: They don't want to hear you just condemn everything they

3342
03:02:38,160 --> 03:02:40,360
Speaker 9: want to know. Okay, yeah, this is bad. Now tell

3343
03:02:40,440 --> 03:02:43,240
Speaker 9: us how to fix it. Tell us what the solution is,

3344
03:02:43,640 --> 03:02:47,560
Speaker 9: because again emotion, anger is an emotion, but it's not

3345
03:02:47,680 --> 03:02:50,080
Speaker 9: a solution. So if you're going to point out things

3346
03:02:50,120 --> 03:02:52,560
Speaker 9: that are being done to us, then in your next

3347
03:02:52,720 --> 03:02:55,720
Speaker 9: breast or in your next lecture, and in your next conversation,

3348
03:02:56,160 --> 03:02:58,920
Speaker 9: tell me what I can do, starting tonite to counter that,

3349
03:02:59,320 --> 03:03:02,560
Speaker 9: because if not, you're making me more depressed. And I'm

3350
03:03:02,600 --> 03:03:05,600
Speaker 9: more likely my solution to what you were telling me

3351
03:03:05,800 --> 03:03:09,040
Speaker 9: is more likely to be drugs and alcohol than countermeasures

3352
03:03:09,080 --> 03:03:11,920
Speaker 9: and solutions and joining an organization and losties.

3353
03:03:12,760 --> 03:03:15,120
Speaker 1: All right, ate away from the top of a tweet

3354
03:03:15,160 --> 03:03:17,800
Speaker 1: from you from Lero and Louisiana says, a lot has

3355
03:03:17,879 --> 03:03:21,800
Speaker 1: been made about the words extra judicial killing. Can you

3356
03:03:21,920 --> 03:03:24,200
Speaker 1: ask doctor Powell if the woman that was killed in

3357
03:03:24,360 --> 03:03:28,879
Speaker 1: Minneapolis was that was that would be labeled as an

3358
03:03:29,000 --> 03:03:33,080
Speaker 1: extra judicial killing? And can he explain the words extra judicial?

3359
03:03:33,320 --> 03:03:36,480
Speaker 1: And did Ronald green encounter with the Louisiana State Police

3360
03:03:36,879 --> 03:03:38,439
Speaker 1: be labeled as an extra.

3361
03:03:39,680 --> 03:03:44,400
Speaker 9: Killing, just briefly extra traditional, meaning its outside of the

3362
03:03:45,480 --> 03:03:48,160
Speaker 9: justice system. So police officers are not supposed to be judge,

3363
03:03:48,200 --> 03:03:51,240
Speaker 9: jury and executioner. It is not their job to decide

3364
03:03:51,320 --> 03:03:54,800
Speaker 9: you're guilty or something. So I'm going to remove you

3365
03:03:54,920 --> 03:03:57,120
Speaker 9: from existence, or we're hearing that from the head of

3366
03:03:57,200 --> 03:04:00,400
Speaker 9: Homeland Security, we're heading that from the home. That's not

3367
03:04:00,520 --> 03:04:03,760
Speaker 9: your position. Your position is to follow the law. Now

3368
03:04:03,840 --> 03:04:06,600
Speaker 9: you get to defend your life in the process of

3369
03:04:06,720 --> 03:04:09,440
Speaker 9: following the law, but you don't get to decide who

3370
03:04:09,520 --> 03:04:12,640
Speaker 9: the bad people are. That's for the judicial system. Your

3371
03:04:12,720 --> 03:04:15,200
Speaker 9: system is to have primer face or evidence that I

3372
03:04:15,280 --> 03:04:17,400
Speaker 9: need to take some action to do it with the

3373
03:04:17,480 --> 03:04:20,520
Speaker 9: preservation of the sanctity of human life, using the least

3374
03:04:20,560 --> 03:04:23,520
Speaker 9: amount of force possible, and then let the court decide

3375
03:04:23,560 --> 03:04:29,480
Speaker 9: the rest. Extrasturi So, when you take away the ability

3376
03:04:29,520 --> 03:04:31,440
Speaker 9: of these people to face the court of law, when

3377
03:04:31,480 --> 03:04:34,039
Speaker 9: you're not arresting them but you are executing them, then

3378
03:04:34,040 --> 03:04:37,480
Speaker 9: you're outside the jurisdiction of the courts, or when you

3379
03:04:37,600 --> 03:04:41,240
Speaker 9: go beyond the laws, the policies and practices of this country.

3380
03:04:41,480 --> 03:04:43,800
Speaker 9: What's so remarkable to me is that the people who

3381
03:04:43,840 --> 03:04:45,680
Speaker 9: are on these shows, whether it's the head of the

3382
03:04:45,760 --> 03:04:49,520
Speaker 9: Department of Homeland Security or the head of ICE or

3383
03:04:49,600 --> 03:04:53,000
Speaker 9: these other individuals have no background in what they're talking about,

3384
03:04:53,080 --> 03:04:55,320
Speaker 9: but they just get to talk about it because they're

3385
03:04:55,520 --> 03:05:00,000
Speaker 9: in these positions. So they have no background or expertise

3386
03:05:00,320 --> 03:05:02,720
Speaker 9: and what they're talking about, and we accept it as truth,

3387
03:05:02,920 --> 03:05:04,840
Speaker 9: which is why we have to challenge it. Which is

3388
03:05:04,920 --> 03:05:08,680
Speaker 9: why I'm saying the organizations that we are closest associated with,

3389
03:05:08,760 --> 03:05:11,920
Speaker 9: whether it be the churches and the megachurches, the Underway CP,

3390
03:05:12,080 --> 03:05:15,520
Speaker 9: the SELC, the Congressional of Black Caucus, the Legislative Black Caucus,

3391
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Speaker 9: have to start speaking up and coming up with strategies

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Speaker 9: and delivering those strategies to the citizens of this particular

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Speaker 9: nation or in the communities, that community centers, that libraries,

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Speaker 9: or the Paul Nelson. So not just say this is

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Speaker 9: a problem I disagree with. Trump said, this is the solution,

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Speaker 9: and this is what we're doing tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 1: All right. In it remaining moments ago, I got to

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Speaker 1: ask you about Greenland. Donald Trump says he's going to

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Speaker 1: take it regardless either way, either by force. So the

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Speaker 1: folks in Greenland and DeMoss, you can't buy it. We're

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Speaker 1: not for sale. What would happen? What would happen with

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Speaker 1: NATO if Donald Trump does go out and sees Greenland.

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Speaker 9: Well, remember this, NATO and the United Nations endorse the

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Speaker 9: assassination and removal of Patrice Lamumba in Africa. So what

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Speaker 9: he has seen based on their history is that they

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Speaker 9: are very weak in terms of resisting. They're very strong

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Speaker 9: in talking and very weak and resistance. And when you

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Speaker 9: do that, then you give him courage that he can

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Speaker 9: go forward with this. And he's trying to force them

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Speaker 9: to negotiate and otherwise going to use force. I don't

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Speaker 9: know what he's going to do with that, but I

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Speaker 9: know one thing that he won't be.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully we haven't lost Doctor Powers. Sounds like if we

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Speaker 1: may have lost him, Yeah, because we wanted to find

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Speaker 1: out if that would trigger World War three because there's

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Speaker 1: an Article five and NATO that you attack one of us,

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Speaker 1: you attack all of us, and the NATO forces would

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Speaker 1: have to join together. Seems like we may have lost

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Speaker 1: Doctor Powers. And we've just got about a minute left.

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Speaker 1: So I just want to tell you folks that if

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Speaker 1: you want to pick up his book, Doctor Powers. Book

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Speaker 1: is called Ice to My Soul. The Rise or decline

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Speaker 1: of a black FBI agent and that doctor powers right now,

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Speaker 1: he's a college professor. He was a former FBI agent.

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Speaker 1: So I want to thank you for sharing all his

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Speaker 1: thoughts this morning, because you know, some of the things

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Speaker 1: that you can say, and some things, even though you're retired,

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Speaker 1: I being some things you just can't say. But he

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Speaker 1: shared it with us this morning. Family, that's it for

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Speaker 1: the day. Clash is dismissed. Stay strong, stay positive, please

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Speaker 1: please stay healthy. Is he about Kevin?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Doctor parts? Okay, how much you finish and tell us

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Speaker 1: to real quick.

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Speaker 9: But I don't know what he'll do. I know he

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Speaker 9: won't be restricted by them, because they've demonstrated a weakness.

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Speaker 9: He's been the pretty much been able to bully the world,

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Speaker 9: except for places like Russia, who are the people he admires,

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Speaker 9: like Vladimir Putin and Benjamin nat Yautu who those people

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Speaker 9: he can't bully. Other than that, he doesn't feel like

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Speaker 9: he has any restrictions. So it'll be interesting to see

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Speaker 9: whether we get enough pushback internally, domestically, or internationally to

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Speaker 9: keep him from implementing fully this Eisenhower doctrine, which they

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Speaker 9: were stopped from doing based on international pushback, local pushback,

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Speaker 9: domestic pushback, and some congress people who had courage.

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Speaker 1: Are we on the virgin of World War three?

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Speaker 3: Do you see that?

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Speaker 1: With the Donald Trump in the White House?

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Speaker 9: You know, I think he would rather fight these proxy

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Speaker 9: wars against nations that can't fight back. Notice that again,

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Speaker 9: he is not snatching the president of the leader of China,

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Speaker 9: even though he said fent no is being brought into

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Speaker 9: this country. He knows who to fight against. I think

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Speaker 9: many more nations will be trying to acquire nuclear weapons

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Speaker 9: because we're not even talking about North Korea anymore or India.

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Speaker 1: We never go out of here, dr bows it flat

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Speaker 1: out of turn. But I thank you for sharing your

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Speaker 1: thoughts with this morning. Family. That's it for the day.

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Speaker 1: Clashes dismissed. Stay strong, stay positive, please stay healthy. We'll

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Speaker 1: see tomorrow morning six o'clock. Right here in Baltimore on

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Speaker 1: ten ten WOLB and in the DMV on fourteen fifty

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Speaker 1: wol