1 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: He needed a bourbon to match a cigar, and I 2 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: had no idea what the cigar was, so I had 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: no idea which bourbon to pick. So I just went 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: with an old soul tea drink smell come Tony Katz, 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: And that right there is America's favorite amateur drinker, fingers Maloy. 6 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: And that's what we've got from Cathead Distillery. This is 7 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: old Soul bourbon, small batch. 8 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: This is a small batch, right. No, this is the 9 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 2: high rye. This is the high rye that we have 10 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 2: right here, coming in at ninety proof. 11 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: No applause, Oh no, No, Fingers Muloi does not applaud 12 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: for anything that is not at least one hundred proof. 13 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: This is a seventy five percent corn mash bill Fingers muloy, 14 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: which would. 15 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 2: Tell us it is sweet. 16 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: But it is high rye at twenty one percent, which 17 00:00:54,560 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: would tell us it is sweet. No nicy spice, lava 18 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: a little kick to it, and four percent on the 19 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: malted barley. This comes from twenty twenty one right here, 20 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: it's right there in the middle of pale and gold. 21 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: Right maybe a little orange, but that's not an amber 22 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: color on this bourbon. Right here, I've never tried it. 23 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: I've never heard of it until I found it in 24 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:23,839 Speaker 1: a store. 25 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Oh what do you going? Have you 26 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: done that nose yet? I'm not. 27 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: Well if there is a high rye here, there's supposed 28 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: to be a spice here. 29 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 2: I have no idea where it is. That is cake sweet? Yeah, 30 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: first thing I got was vanilla right off the back. 31 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: Vanilla cake. 32 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: But and that's the difference, right, not just not a vanilla, 33 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: a flavoring vanilla cake of a little vanilla frosting, Like 34 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: it's that kind of sugary. 35 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 2: Go wow, yeah, there's some sugar cookie. Yeah, there's no 36 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: spice none, And I'm I'm not really getting any oak, 37 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: So what is that in the background. 38 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: You are hit by the vanilla first, and you get 39 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: a cake, so it's it's more. As I am into it, 40 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: it's a little more bakery and you're like, ooh, that's interesting. 41 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: That could that could play That could be something that 42 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: could do something here. But there's something in the back there, 43 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: there's something playing in the back. 44 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 2: Okay, this is going to sound strange. Is it a 45 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: faint fruit cocktail? If you really want to incept yourself, Yeah, 46 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: there's something else there. You can go. 47 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: You can go cherry, you can go leather. Like I 48 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: would let you do either one and be fine with it. 49 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: Interesting, but there's something else there as this background. The 50 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 2: colors fine right, not too pale. 51 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: I would I would love to see this a little 52 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: rich or little, but we don't have an age statement here, 53 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: so we're not sure. 54 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, oh stop it, four year, seven months, 55 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: you're just wrong. But enough sniff and fingers mo oi, 56 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: are you ready for this? All right? For this all day? 57 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: Fingers Maloy is going to do what is called the 58 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: Kentucky chew, moving the juice around the palate, getting a 59 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: feel for it. I'm a believer in the two SIPs methodology. 60 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: The first sip to set the taste buds, the second 61 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: sip to really get an idea of the flavors. Fingers Maloy, 62 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: you've had yourself a little sippy sip, sip, sip. 63 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: What say you? Always going back in, ladies and gentlemen, this. 64 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: Is the first here at eight drink smoke, fingers WII 65 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: doing two SIPs and yet not finishing off the glass. 66 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: We're using the Kenzi glass right here, so as opposed 67 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: to a Glenn Cairn with the foot and bows out 68 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: and comes around. This's a little more stylish, I think, 69 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: a little more modern in that it's got the base, 70 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: comes out a little bit, comes back in the point 71 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: of the glass, coming back in. Narrowing is so it 72 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: concentrates more of the nose. You're really getting an idea 73 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: of the flavors. Doesn't want all over the place. You 74 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: can really get your nose in there and get an 75 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: idea of the scent. 76 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 2: Here's what's something on the nose. Here's what's here's what's 77 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: something on the nose. It's very we'd say it's sweet. 78 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 2: That it doesn't translate to the palette in my mind. No, 79 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,239 Speaker 2: that rice spices there. There's a nice bit of sting 80 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 2: on the on the tongue of little gentle warmth on 81 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: the chest wood right away, wood and rye and at 82 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: the end like a I always there's a nice bit 83 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 2: of heat mixed with cinnamon. But I don't want people 84 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: to go to hot, damn slash fireball, because that's not 85 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 2: what it is. It is not at all what I 86 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: was expecting from that nose. It's enjoyable. Not that they 87 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 2: not that the nose wasn't enjoyable, but it's totally different 88 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 2: than what I was expecting. 89 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: Old soul, small batch, high rye bourbon, whiskey, cat Head 90 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: Distillery with MGP. 91 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 2: Okay, that's who makes this. Right here, I'm going. He's 92 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 2: going in, ladies and gentlemen, and he's doing what we 93 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 2: like to call the Memphis munch, the Chattanooga chomp. Oh 94 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: your thoughts, Tony kats, huh, you should probably go in 95 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 2: for seconds. Settle down, I'll get there. She's going for seconds. 96 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: Would you wait, be a little patient, let me move 97 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: at my own pay. I'm gonna going for seconds. There 98 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: he goes. 99 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 2: He's going in again, ladies and gentlemen, and he's doing 100 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: what we like to call the saconnna swish. 101 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: Okay, in the knat right because we're doing this neat, 102 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: no no cube, no water, just the right amount of spice. 103 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: Wow, now that is sweeter than I like to go. Really. 104 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, oh god, yeah that that is. 105 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 2: That is sweet. 106 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: That's that's really good. Yeah that is that is. Everybody 107 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: at the table. I I almost want to say, I 108 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: want to try this in an old fashioned Okay, you 109 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: can can the can the fruit, cut some of this 110 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: sweet and then the spice mix. 111 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 2: In for me. I I'm not getting. I'm not getting 112 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 2: anything that. It's a little sweet, but I can't put 113 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 2: my face it's not like a traditional like vanilla. It's 114 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 2: not that vanilla cake that you were talking about. Oh no, agreed, 115 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: not the vanilla in the slightest, But that that rye, 116 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 2: that spice is there. There's for me, there's there's oak, 117 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 2: there's a almost a pepper, and then at the end 118 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 2: that heat makes with a little bit of cinnamon going 119 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 2: in for my fourth. Oh good for you. Not all 120 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 2: heroes wear capes. First of all, there's no heat. 121 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: There's there's no heat center, chest, no heat throat and throat, 122 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: there's no heat. The finish there is really rich. The 123 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: spice lays on the middle of the tongue front to back. 124 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: That is. 125 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: Magnificently surprising. Uh, there's no oak play here. Wow, and 126 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: that's killing me. There's no oak play. What are you 127 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: talking about? 128 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, you and I are are having two We 129 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: agree on the nose, uh, and we somewhat agree on 130 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 2: the palette because we both got that rye spice. But 131 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: you're you're going a lot sweeter than I am. I'm 132 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: getting some oak on it, and that finish. There's a 133 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 2: heat with with a little bit of cinnamon for me. 134 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: Okay, cinnamon, I will give you on right, I'm saying 135 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: the rye, spice and the tongue front to back. Yeah, 136 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: you can say there's a little bit of cinnamon there. 137 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: I would agree with that. 138 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 2: But it's really nice. Yes, I will agree with you 139 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: that as well. 140 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: Fingers, MOI, is this in your liquor cabinet for forty 141 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: four dollars and ninety five cents a bottle? 142 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, now. 143 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say yes. Even though it plays sweeter than 144 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: I like, that's really nice. It's not overly sweet. It's 145 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: just sweeter that I may like. It's it's weird that 146 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: it's cut with the with the spice and that touch 147 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: of cinnamon and not for me an oak or something 148 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: or something else. 149 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 2: Old soul the high ride. Oh, we're onto something here, Fingers. 150 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: I know we talk food here very often, and we 151 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 2: do both a lot. 152 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 1: Of different recipes. I'm looking forward to getting to back 153 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: to a little bit of warmer weather. We get back 154 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: on the grill. I've got an order red for Jacob 155 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: over there at Defiance Beef. One of our great sponsors 156 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: is eat Drink Smoke. I'm Tony Katz. That's America's favorite 157 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: amateur drinker, Fingers from while I find everything at Eat 158 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: drinksmokeshow dot com. The new and improved website Fingers has 159 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: been working overtime. It looks fantastic. The whole layout is good. 160 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 1: We joined substack. It's terrific and we'll be getting into 161 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: some subscriber only content very very soon. And of course 162 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: all the videos on YouTube, be sure to get those. 163 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: Just look for Eat Drink Smoke and subscribe. But we 164 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: our conversations about food and recipes very often are focused 165 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: on what's easy. Right, We focus on what's easy. I 166 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: am still a believer that people want to try things. 167 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: They don't want to be overwhelmed by things that in 168 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: the end and tell me if I'm right or I'm wrong, 169 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: we should be sticking with things that are fun, valuable 170 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: to the face, good for any occasion, and easy. 171 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 2: It's doesn't mean cheap, and that's where I. 172 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: Think there's this interesting rub so, but it does mean 173 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: easy because I'm here to tell you after now getting 174 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: the steaks from defiancebef dot com use promo code Eat 175 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: Drink Smoke You get one hundred and fifty dollars off 176 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: your order, and they now have mini shares if you. 177 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 2: Want to just test it out. 178 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: You can't use the promo code for this, but if 179 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: you want to test it out, you'll get a couple 180 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: of rabbis or a couple of strips. You'll get a 181 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: chuck roast, you'll get I think it's short ribs, and 182 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: you'll get five pounds of ground beef. You could do 183 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: a mini share and they'll send you just that so 184 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: you can try it out for yourself. And I'm telling you, 185 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: the ground beef is stunning. But I won't I will 186 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: not get a choice cut of meat again. Really, I'm done. 187 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: I have made that decision that I don't go out 188 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: to eat that often. 189 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 2: We do a lot of cooking at home. 190 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: We're good at it. I want I want the quality cut. 191 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: I have to have it. I taste the difference, I 192 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: feel the difference, and I feel like I can't get 193 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: done what I want to get done without it. 194 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 2: And yet there are these really great recipes. 195 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: Out there, especially when we talk about beef, that you 196 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: can use the cheaper cuts, top rounds of bottom rounds, 197 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: these chuck rose things, and you can create excellent stuff 198 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: if you just work it a little bit, a little 199 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: bit of time. It's not extravagant. It's just you gotta 200 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: put time to it. And time is the thing I 201 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: think that matters the value of the cut of meat. 202 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: I think matters depending on what you're doing. But I 203 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: don't think you have to get extravagant. 204 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 2: And I want to. 205 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: I want to make sure we're still pushing that as 206 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,599 Speaker 1: a food concept and ideology. 207 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: That's fair because I think that's one thing that we 208 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 2: struggle with because you and I both like to do 209 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 2: the long cooks. Yeah, you know, I love putting a 210 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 2: brisket on. Hey, it takes sixteen hours. It's well worth 211 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 2: the wait. Now I am fine with a choice brisket 212 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 2: that really Yeah, I'll listen. Wait, I think the vast 213 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: majority of people are gonna agree with you. 214 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: I have had these issues and I'm like, I'm done, 215 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: it's overscrew it. 216 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're right, it needs to be something that 217 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: if we're going to start expanding and doing more things, 218 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 2: we need to maybe focus more on what's easy and 219 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 2: also affordable this day and age. So absolutely, I'm just waiting. 220 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 2: I'm so ready for this cold snap to be over 221 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 2: so I could start grilling outside again. Yeah. 222 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: One of the things that's happening this summer is through 223 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: a friend, a mutual friend of ours, we have access 224 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: to I think it is a twenty one foot smoker. 225 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: Oh wow. 226 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: And it will get set up right here behind the 227 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: Drink Smoke studios and we are going to actually do 228 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: a night of wood where it's risk gits and we're 229 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 1: gonna do pork butt and a whole bunch of things. 230 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: But not on You use a master built right charcoal gravity. 231 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: I use Traeger wood pellets. I'm telling you, brilliant, spectacular. 232 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: But I want to see if I can figure it out. 233 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: I want to see if I can really get a 234 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: difference between hickory and an apple wood. I want to 235 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: see how I can manage these things. And I want 236 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: to test myself in that regard. 237 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 2: You said, hickory or applewood, apple wood, don't sleep on pine. 238 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 2: I might, And. 239 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: I'll take any suggestion you've got. If you have one, 240 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: let us know at Eat, Drink smokeshow dot com. But I. 241 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 2: Time I'm in for fancy. I am not. 242 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: And it's not that I oppose it, it's that I'm 243 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: I think sometimes I think sometimes we're trying to kid ourselves. 244 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: It is clear that when you take a look at 245 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: Michelin Star chefs, and when you take a look at 246 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 1: some of these people, there's a real understanding about how 247 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: flav pair and how acids pair with with fats and 248 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: with with with sugars, and how you can create something 249 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: that so fully connects with the palate. 250 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 2: And I think there's a value to that. 251 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: But I am so I feel like we so have 252 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: not scratched the surface on there are these basic things 253 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: that you can do for your family, and again low cost. Right, 254 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: even though I'm talking about prime, the differencetween a prime 255 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: brisket and a choice brisket is a dollar a pound. 256 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: You know a lot of times I want to dig 257 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: in more on that. 258 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 2: What is it that? 259 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: What are these basic things that people can be doing 260 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: that will save them insane amounts of money because they're 261 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: not going. 262 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 2: Out to eat far better than anything they're going to 263 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 2: get out there? 264 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: That yes, you can, you can actually do these things, 265 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: but some of them is just I want to test myself. 266 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: I want to see if I can do a really 267 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: a wood fed brisket and really create that charcoal and 268 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: getting those flavors. 269 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 2: And you can almost I hate to say it this 270 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 2: way because I don't know how accurate it really is, 271 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: but you can almost fool yourself in a way to 272 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 2: think that what you put together at home when it 273 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 2: comes to say a brisket is better than what you 274 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: can get at a restaurant, because there's that sense of 275 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 2: accomplishment that you did it yourself. Yeah, but I don't 276 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 2: think that's fooling yourself. How about we think about it 277 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: this way. 278 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: Here you are you put the time in, right, you 279 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: put the time in, and it's a lot of ours, right, 280 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: and so maybe you don't want to put that time 281 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: and I can appreciate it. But you end up with 282 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: the brisket and you let it rest. You gotta let 283 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: it rest, and then you cut it and you're like, 284 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: you know what, that's pretty good. Maybe maybe the place 285 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: that you go is better. Right, they're professionals after all. 286 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: Take a look at the cost analysis. Yeah, it cost 287 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: your time, but you were home anyway, Yeah, and you 288 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: got to hang out, you got that relaxation. Maybe you 289 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: had some people, maybe you're talking to the kids, talking 290 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: to the spouse. Whatever it is, What is that worth? 291 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: What is the experience worth and then your family gets 292 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: the chime and oh, you should try this, So you 293 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: should try that. Yeah, they're always giving you suggestions. You 294 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: don't have to listen to them. Just take the suggestions 295 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: like that has a value to the whole thing. Does 296 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: have a real cooking at home with the family man. 297 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: You have no idea how far that. 298 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 2: Goes, especially if you embrace it like you do if 299 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 2: you get into the cigar lifestyle. If you look at 300 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 2: it as a relaxing experience, you're unwinding. Hey, you know what, 301 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 2: the family's asleep. It's one o'clock in the morning, but 302 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 2: I'm sitting next to the smoker and I just pulled 303 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 2: out a churchill because I'm planning on being here for 304 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 2: a little while, and it's quiet outside, and you're just 305 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 2: there by yourself, tending the smoker, having a cigar, just 306 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 2: relaxing and anticipating what you're going to be eating fifteen 307 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 2: hours later. I think that's good. 308 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: And by the way, if none of that sounds appealing 309 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: to you, you should find a friend who wants to 310 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: do all that, and then when they're done, go try 311 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: it and be. 312 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 2: Like, you know what you should do? You should add 313 00:16:57,880 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 2: this you should have that. You should be that friend. 314 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: And then it's like, basically you should be like a 315 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: grandparent of brisket. You show up, you talk about the brisket, 316 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:07,959 Speaker 1: you try, you say how wonderful it is, and then 317 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: you leave. 318 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 2: You don't even have to clean up that. 319 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: But bring a cigar, Oh god, don't be a savage host. 320 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: Gifts are very important. Always bring a host gift. Someone 321 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: invites you to the house, you bring them. 322 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 2: Something like a hot dog on a stick. Don't if 323 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 2: there is one uniform too, eat. 324 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: Drink, smoke, it is your cigar bourbon foody extravaganza. I'm 325 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: Tony Katz and that is America's favorite amateur drinker. Fingers 326 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: molloy and glad. Hopefully everybody survived well the crazy insane 327 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: snows and cold and everything else that's been going on, 328 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: and it was just just terrible. And Fingers didn't have 329 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: a snowblower, and I don't need a snowblower because I 330 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: put the kids to work and that was good for them. 331 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: We'll talk bourbon and cigars in a second, but as time, 332 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: Fingers Maloy for news of the week. 333 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 2: Well, February first was a big day if you travel Tony, 334 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 2: and you don't have a real ID because the travelers 335 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 2: do not? Is that the day? Yes? Oh I got check? 336 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 2: I got check? 337 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: Where's my where do I keep all my my important 338 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: important ID gear? 339 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 2: Okay? So I've got my idea in front of me. 340 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: Now how do I know if this is indeed the 341 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: right ID, the real. 342 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 2: The real ID has a I'm a little star I 343 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 2: believe on it, and maybe an eagle flying across it. Okay, 344 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 2: in hologram form, I'm assuming that. 345 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: Yes, then, okay, I I have I don't have the 346 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:52,719 Speaker 1: eagle flying across it. I made that up, Okay, but 347 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 1: I do. I do have a star, a white star 348 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: in a black circle. 349 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 2: I believe that lets everyone know if they have that, 350 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 2: that they have a real ID. But if you don't 351 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 2: have a real ID and you want to get on 352 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 2: a US domestic flight, you will have to pay forty 353 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 2: five dollars to the TSA. It's a new fee, Tony 354 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 2: if you don't have your real ID. So I hate 355 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 2: everyone everywhere all the time. I just they have been 356 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 2: talking about this real ID thing now for what a decade, 357 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 2: it feels like, and they've kept pushing back this deadline 358 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 2: over and over again, kept kicking the can down the road, 359 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 2: and now it's finally here. So I would be surprised 360 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 2: at this point. I would love to know how many 361 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 2: people don't have a real ID, because if you go 362 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 2: in to get your driver's license renewed, if you have 363 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 2: over the past and I don't know, at least six years, 364 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 2: they're going to transfer you to a real ID. 365 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: I went to real IDs dot Com and I said 366 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 1: a real ID, and they're like, no problem, no problem. 367 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 2: But why is it forty five dollars? 368 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: Like what special thing has to happen that they came 369 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: up with a price of forty five dollars. 370 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 2: Well, they are rolling out confirm id, a process to 371 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 2: streamline the identification check and fee payment for those without 372 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 2: the real ID. Travelers without a real ID can put 373 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 2: input their information online and pay the fees. So this 374 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 2: is all about a transaction fee, uh tolerance fee, A 375 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 2: fee fee? Right, this is garbage. 376 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: You want me to have a real ID, Give me 377 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: a real ID. That's that's all there is. But what's 378 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: the I still have yet to figure out how it 379 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: is truly different than the ID I may have had 380 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: prior without the little white star in the black circle. 381 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 2: Well, I can say, answering a question earlier, the real 382 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 2: ID UH. You know, the act was passed in two 383 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,719 Speaker 2: thousand and five February first, is really the next phase 384 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 2: of real ID compliance enforcement. About ninety four percent of 385 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 2: the population, UH has a real ID. Okay, h so 386 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 2: six percent of the population they do not. I apparently 387 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 2: the difference. I don't know if they have some sort 388 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 2: of enhanced background check when you're going to your local 389 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 2: BMV Secretary of State depending on what state you're in 390 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 2: to get your driver's license to qualify for a real ID. 391 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 2: I don't know the process. All I know is I 392 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 2: mean the fact that this act passed in two thousand 393 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 2: and five and it's twenty twenty six and they're finally saying, Okay, 394 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 2: this is the drop dead date. You've got to have 395 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 2: it or you need to pay this fee. You have 396 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 2: to wonder too, if you know this, look at it's 397 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 2: a ninety four percent of the population or passengers that 398 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 2: transit through a TSA checkpoint have a real EYE. You 399 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 2: have to wonder if this is an elevated feed to 400 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 2: Maybe it shouldn't cost all that much, but it's to 401 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 2: nudge the other six percent of the population. 402 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: To go get a real ID. First, I think all 403 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: that is gross. I think all of it is just horrifying. 404 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: But I want to know if it goes into effect. 405 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: February first, Right, February first one goes into effect, Yes, 406 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: will I feel safer everywhere I am? 407 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 3: Will? 408 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 2: I will there be a. 409 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: Noticeable, nay, a palpable difference when I walk down the street. 410 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: You know, I was concerned about all the rioting and 411 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: looting and violence going on. But now with real ID 412 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: do I'm walking down the street. Ain't nothing gonna happen, 413 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: but let's just bounce off me like I'm Superman. 414 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 2: Is that? Is that exactly how it's gonna be? No? 415 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 2: I believe so. I believe the TSA is saying, with 416 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 2: this real ID, it'll make it feel like when they 417 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 2: hold you in their arms, you feel safe. 418 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: Am I going to feel like I am snuggled into 419 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 1: the warm bosom of TSA? 420 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 2: See now, now I feel like you're starting to catch on, Tony, 421 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 2: They're starting to get on board. 422 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 3: Well, I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure that a 423 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 3: warm bosom is worth forty five dollars. That's I'm not 424 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 3: an expert, but I'm pretty sure that that is that 425 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 3: that is accurate mathing right there. 426 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 2: You need a real ID, or at least an ID 427 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 2: to get yourself a U haul Tony uh and U 428 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 2: haul does an annual report of where people are taking 429 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 2: rental trucks moving out of the state to a different state, 430 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 2: and they came up with their top ten rankings of 431 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 2: states where people are moving, where they're moving to, or 432 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 2: where they're moving out of. Well, they also have a 433 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 2: list of where they're moving out of. What would you 434 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 2: like to hear first, the moving too or the moving 435 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 2: out of? Oh, the moving out of I want to 436 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 2: know the places to avoid people are leaving California. Yeah, 437 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 2: that's all one on the list. 438 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: That's all taxes, right, that's all taxes and fees and 439 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: and and ridiculousness. And I can't rebuild my home in 440 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: the Palisades for obscene reasons. It's it's just it's too 441 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: expensive to live there, that's correct. 442 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 2: And if you were going to list a second state, uh, 443 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 2: you know, except for the Palisades part of it, Illinois 444 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 2: would be next on that list. If you're gonna come 445 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 2: up with, oh, fees, taxes, the whole nine yards. He 446 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 2: is Illinois second on that list. Yes, oh wow, number 447 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 2: three on the list, Tony uh, your beloved New Jersey 448 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 2: is on the list. 449 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: That I mean, I would go back and have some pizza, 450 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: but after that, I'm good. 451 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 2: Can you Can you finally pump your own gas in 452 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 2: New Jersey and you still have to have somebody else 453 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 2: pump it for you? I don't know. I don't I 454 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 2: don't know. 455 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: It's been a long time since I've been listen. Jersey 456 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: was a was a was a nice place to grow up. 457 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: I had good friends in Jersey. I don't miss it now. 458 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: I can also say that except for the view, not 459 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 1: even the weather, the view, I don't miss California, but 460 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: the idea of being able to drive through the mountains 461 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: to get to the beach and that topography change. 462 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 2: I love that more than anything. 463 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: Just random drive, no matter how broke I was, my 464 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: wife and I were, We were really broke at the time, 465 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: but just to be able to do those drives on 466 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: Mulhollands and Box Canyon and everything else, just it was freeing. 467 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: It really was a special I'm glad I had the 468 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: opportunity for six years, But the everyday living, I don't 469 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: miss it. 470 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 2: In the slightest. I don't miss Jersey in the slightest. 471 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe it's just me, maybe just dead inside. 472 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 2: I've only been to East Rotheford, oh so oh my, 473 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 2: that was my Jersey experience other than I think at 474 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 2: one point I didn't get off the train, but I 475 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 2: went through Trenton. Well you should have gotten off the train. 476 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 2: New York fourth on the list. Okay, Massachusetts rounds off 477 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 2: the top five. 478 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:16,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's abusive and it's punitive and and I mean 479 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: that's not even me being political. That's just the numbers 480 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: speak for themselves. So where are they moving to? 481 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 2: What are the top five? Top five? Quickly? Texas number one, 482 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 2: Florida number two, North Carolina three, Tennessee four, and South 483 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 2: Carolina number five on the list. So they want to 484 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 2: be a little bit warm. 485 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,719 Speaker 1: They want to be in the low country, and they 486 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: want to eat some brisket. 487 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 2: They want some crawfish and they want some brisket. But 488 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 2: do they eat crawfish in South Carolina? I have no idea. 489 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 2: Isn't that a Louisiana thing? It is? Maybe they eat 490 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 2: some in South Carolina. 491 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: Someone in South Carolina tell me what's a good South 492 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: Carolina delicacy. 493 00:26:54,160 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 2: I want to try it. I want to make one 494 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 2: fingers one boy. Would you say that you have a 495 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 2: high class personality? I would say it, and so would 496 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 2: eat drink smoke Nation. They really really what it's. 497 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: E drink smoke. I'm Tony Katz. That's America's favorite amateur drinker. 498 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: Fingers boy smoking from the good people at oz Oz 499 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: Family Cigars. This is the Caratoba. This is the Robusto 500 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: five by fifty two. We're in the second third of 501 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: this cigar right here, and I gotta tell you it's 502 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: a nice, nice, nice stick. Nicaraguin throughout, Dominican in the fill. 503 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: I shouldn't say nikaragon throughout, I'm sorry, Ecuadorian and Sumatra 504 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: and the wrapper Nicaraguin and the binder Nicaraguin and Dominican 505 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: in the filler. 506 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 2: So yeah, not Nicaraguent throughout. 507 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 1: Twelve dollars for the five x fifty two box press. 508 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: I'm in the second third here, and it's a nice stick. 509 00:27:54,320 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: It's a nice, easy smoking kind of billing cigar. There's 510 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: not an overwhelming spice at all, really there is. You know, 511 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: we talk about that nuttying creaminess and things a lot 512 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: like that. There is that that seater, which I think 513 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 1: it's a little more subdued. It's a nice, nice stick fingers. 514 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: It's been smoking for me, very very well. We've just've 515 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:23,959 Speaker 1: been so busy. I've been talking about it. 516 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:25,959 Speaker 2: I've had to touch it up a couple of times, 517 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 2: but that's about it. Yeah, that nuttiness is there. There's 518 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 2: a little bit of spice for me. It has stayed 519 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 2: pretty consistent. Nothing is really built up over time, nothing's 520 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 2: really dissipated. Just a really nice smoking experience. And at 521 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 2: twelve dollars and fifty cents a stick, twelve dollars, oh, 522 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 2: twelve dollars a stick. Well, I was in at twelve fifty. 523 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 2: I'm in at twelve dollars. Yeah, yeah, I am too. 524 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: Now I'm curious in that final third whether we really 525 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: start getting some strength in this. But this plays in 526 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: a medium. This is a nice solid in the humid 527 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: or stick. You you could do this daily, you could. 528 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: It has that kind of a profile to it. And 529 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: Old Soul we're drinking the bourbon here from Old Soul 530 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: coming in at ninety proof. This is out of Cathead Distillery, 531 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: so that's Mississippi, and it's done with MGP, which is 532 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: Indiana and a mash bill of seventy five twenty percent 533 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: righte fall, four percent malted barley ninety proof. I forgot 534 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: to get a cube, like we were talking so much 535 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: and getting into it. Do you want some water now? 536 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm just gonna keep drinking. Ah, look at you. 537 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 2: It's it's really nice. 538 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: It is really a I mean, it's that knows is 539 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: that vanilla and that vanilla cake is really where I 540 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: put it at that? And that background wasn't fruit? 541 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 2: Was it leather? Good question. 542 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: I still don't have an answer, but that that flavor 543 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: is that that little bit of spice that hits on 544 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: the tongue, that little bit of cinnamon that you talked about. 545 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 2: That that that's sweet but not candied and not overwhelming. 546 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: I wish I got oak out of it, which you are, 547 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: which is blowing my mind. 548 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,959 Speaker 2: Really really dollars a bottle. 549 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: Oh, I could see this in many liquor cabinets, old soul. 550 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: This is the high rye bourbon that we're doing here. 551 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 2: Now. I have plenty of water here too, so I 552 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 2: put some in mind. So I'll give her a dance. 553 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: So the water or a cube, right, a water brings 554 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: down proof, the only thing that brings down proof, and 555 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: it will change the complexion of the juice, sometimes increasing things. 556 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: Sometimes it'll kind of mute certain flavors, and so you 557 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: want to try it in all the way is to 558 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: see which way is the bourbon is best represented to you, 559 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: because you can find a bourbon that maybe doesn't work 560 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: for your neat or works on the cube, works for 561 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: your neat, doesn't work on the cube, and then you 562 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: know and you go forward. 563 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 2: You got to try these things and test these things. 564 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 2: So it muted the oak a little bit, brought out 565 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 2: more of the spice. That cinnamon is still there on 566 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 2: the finish, not as much of that heat on the finish. 567 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 2: But for the first time, I'm getting some of that 568 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 2: vanilla sweetness on the palette, which I did not get 569 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 2: before when it was just neat. Interesting because I got 570 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 2: it on the nose. Yeah, but it was for me 571 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 2: it was more wood that that spice, and that that 572 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 2: really the heat on the finish with that little that can. 573 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 2: Did you think that cinnamon was intense? No, no, no, 574 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 2: but it's listen, it's it is for me different for 575 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 2: you than it was for you. It was so much 576 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 2: radically different on the palette than it was on the 577 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 2: nose for me, because I didn't get I mean, on 578 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 2: the nose you get that, well, you called vanilla cake. 579 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 2: I just got vanilla. But I'm not going to argue 580 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 2: with you that vanilla is there, right, I wasn't getting 581 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 2: that on the pallette. Put some a little bit of 582 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 2: cool water in it. That's where it started to bring 583 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 2: out the vanilla for me. I gotta tell you the 584 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 2: cigar actually does parallell with it. Yeah right. 585 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: The cigar is not overwhelming in a way that cedar 586 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: certainly certainly works with it, that nutty creaminess there in 587 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: the cigar. 588 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 2: This is a nice pairing. 589 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: This all nothing that's gonna knock you out, nothing that's 590 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: gonna knock you over, nothing that's gonna really hit levels 591 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: of your tickle spot. If you're somebody who likes a 592 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: real big spice or a real big oak or but 593 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: you can appreciate and at price points that work, no 594 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: hot diggity, this is well put together. Speaking of price 595 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: points at work defines beef dot Com. Order your cow 596 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: right now. Go over to the site defines beef dot com. 597 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: This is the Indiana Farm directly to your freezer, everything 598 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: cut to your specifications. You order the cow, whole cow, 599 00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: have cow, quarter cow, cut your specifications, everything vacuum packed 600 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: and shipped directly to you age twenty one days, including 601 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: the ground beef, which makes the best burgers. 602 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 2: In the universe. 603 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: It is otherworldly, next level burgers with Defiance Beef, and 604 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: you know you're feeding your family something that's worthwhile. Go 605 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: to Defiancebeef dot com and use promo code Eat Drink 606 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: Smoke to get one hundred and fifty dollars off your 607 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: order of a quarter cow, a half cow, or the 608 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: whole thing. 609 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 2: Just clean out the freezer all right, two freezers, right, 610 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 2: maybe three, and then you're set. 611 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: And then also check out some of their mini shares 612 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: and other things they have to offer. Great Valentine's Day 613 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: gift if you want to get something for dad. Hell grill, 614 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: be able to grow a couple of steaks, make some burgers, 615 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: do a whole thing, Boom done, and you're like Valentine's 616 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,239 Speaker 1: Gifts your dad. I'm like yeah, cause he's gonna make 617 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: it for mom, you know, help him out there. Defiancepef 618 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: dot com. Use promo code Eat Drink Smoke and get 619 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty dollars off your order of a 620 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: quarter half or a full share a full cow. 621 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 2: Make that happen, Defiance beef dot com. Right, I don't 622 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 2: want to sidetrack the conversation, but quickly, you know how 623 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 2: inflation has affected everything. Apparently it is not affected chest freezers. 624 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 2: I cannot get over how cheap chest freezers are. If 625 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 2: you wanted to get a small chest freezer, if you're 626 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 2: gonna get some divides beef, it's crazy. You can get 627 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 2: from like one hundred and seventy dollars now one hundred 628 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 2: and fifty dollars that would definitely fit. Do you have one? No? 629 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 2: I don't, but I'm gonna get one once the basement's 630 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 2: all done. Oh, the renovations continue, Yes, framing is completed. 631 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 2: They're starting on the plumbing. They're drilling into the foundation. 632 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 2: It's a project. 633 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: But I asked about being classy and your high class personality. 634 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: So over there at veg outmag dot com where fingers 635 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: Will only gets all his classy tips, what shows that 636 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: you're classy? Here are the tips that they have. Number one, 637 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: you treat everyone with equal respect. 638 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 639 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: Number two just moving right over that take responsibility for 640 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: your mistakes. 641 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 2: I just thought that was being a decent human being. 642 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 2: I didn't know that it was classy. Oh. You know 643 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 2: a lot of people really hate taking responsibility for their 644 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 2: own actions, or you know, taking responsibility for these mistakes 645 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 2: is always someone else's fault. Those aren't classy people, Tony, 646 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 2: You listen more than you speak. That's number three. Everyone 647 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 2: loves a good listener. I'm listening. See what you did there. 648 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,919 Speaker 2: I'm still listening. Ah, it makes for good radio. I'm 649 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 2: listening a Fraser Crane. Oh wow, that's right, I'm listening Seattle. Hello, Seattle, 650 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 2: I'm listening. Congratulations on the Super Bowl. You kids under 651 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 2: the age of fifty, Google Fraser Crane. You stay calm 652 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:54,280 Speaker 2: under pressure, don't we all? No, no, And. 653 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: You celebrate other success. I think that's a big one. 654 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 1: Somebody else doing well. It does not mean you did poorly. 655 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 2: Thank you, I completely I can't stand. I'm not a 656 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,280 Speaker 2: big fan of jealous people. Now, you know, behind people's backs, 657 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,919 Speaker 2: if you're not happy for their success because they aren't 658 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 2: good people and they don't show class, that's fine. But 659 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 2: your friends, you should always celebrate your friend's success. 660 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: And people don't. They have an issue with it. Somehow 661 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,240 Speaker 1: it has to be about them. It's not just say congratulations. 662 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: Don't be weird. Don't be weird, it's all. Life is simple. 663 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 1: Don't be weird. 664 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 2: That is it. 665 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: Find it all you drink, smoke show dot com and 666 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: we will catch you next time.