1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: Live from vall Hartbeiner and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 2: Yes it is. I am not Tony Katz. I am 4 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 2: Mike Coolidge's fellow the K K O O L I 5 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: D G E. 6 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 3: And you're listening to Tony Katz today on this last 7 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 3: day of the week also known as Friday. And this 8 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 3: is our number three. And I got to say, we 9 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 3: have been, uh, we've been making this happen. 10 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 2: This has been a team effort. 11 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 3: The great flagship station of Tony Katz today happens to 12 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 3: be in the great City. 13 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: Of Indianapolis WIBC. 14 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 3: They have some brand spanking new equipment that they're testing 15 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 3: out here and new studio stuff and leveling up to 16 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 3: make you the listener, a better quality product for the 17 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 3: rest of twenty twenty five and going into twenty twenty six. 18 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 3: And you know, anytime you pull something out of the 19 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 3: box and pug it in and set it up, you 20 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 3: know doesn't always go perfectly. So we've been I've been proud. 21 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 3: This has been a fun challenge because I'm an older. 22 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 2: Radio pro here. 23 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 3: Have been through many different evolutions and iterations of radio 24 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 3: equipment and microfile. It's not as easy as it sounds people, 25 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 3: especially when you are hosting a radio show in another 26 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 3: state at a studio. 27 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: Mine happens to be in my. 28 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 3: Home, but I happen to have some great radio equipment 29 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 3: from my previous radio show that I still use, a 30 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 3: great R twenty microphone and speaking into night H five 31 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 3: n zoom. 32 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: That's going through a secret device. I'm not going to 33 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: say anymore. 34 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 3: And now we're connecting. It does have to do with 35 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 3: the Internet, I'll tell you that. But we've not been 36 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 3: able to have any guests on the show today, nor 37 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 3: have we been able to take any calls because of 38 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 3: the setups. So you've been treated only to yours truly's melodious, 39 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 3: beautiful voice and occasional clips we play here. But I, 40 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 3: for the most part, cannot hear anything on my end. 41 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 3: I don't even have headphones on. I'm just talking into 42 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,119 Speaker 3: the mic and I'm getting thumbs up from landing back 43 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 3: in Indianapolis saying Yep, things are good to go, and 44 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 3: we are powering through this for you and the person 45 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 3: sitting in your car next to you if you're driving here. 46 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 3: So we've talked at length about the terrible, terrible decision 47 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 3: that many Indiana Republican senators made yesterday to not vote 48 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 3: on the new maps, which the Court's already said, yes, 49 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 3: if you pass them, it's good to go. The governor 50 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 3: already said, yep, I'll sign him, good to go. Democrats 51 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 3: have been drawing out Republicans from maps for decades in 52 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 3: countless states, Every New England state, every I don't think 53 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 3: there's ever been a Republican elected in Hawaii. We have Delaware, 54 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 3: I know, tiny state, but there's Republicans there. 55 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: New Mexico. 56 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 3: No Republicans in DC, but there's Republicans there. And even 57 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 3: in a state like Illinois where I live, where the 58 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 3: number of Republicans here is anywhere from forty three to 59 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 3: forty six percent. 60 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: It's not a minimum. 61 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 3: There's forty three percent Republicans there, up to forty six percent. 62 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 3: And you know how much of the population is represented 63 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 3: in Washington, d C. By Republican congressman sixteen and a 64 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 3: half percent. 65 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: That's it. That's travesty, that's unfair, as they say, but 66 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: you know, all's fair in love and war, right. Democrats 67 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 2: know that. 68 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 3: They draw maps to benefit them in every state they 69 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 3: have power in. Republicans know that that's how they got 70 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 3: to match it. They did it in Texas, they're doing 71 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 3: it in a couple of other states. In Indiana, it's 72 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 3: all good to go. All they needed all y'all needed. 73 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 3: I say that as I say I say y'all as 74 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 3: a man married to a Southerner and somebody who frequently 75 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 3: goes to central and southern Illinois, where y'all is a 76 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 3: normal expression there y'all in Indiana, Illinois. 77 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. 78 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 3: I'm sorry Indiana senators, particularly, you screwed the. 79 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 2: Pooch on this one. 80 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 3: This is, hopefully fingers crossed, not going to come back 81 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 3: to haunt us in the midterms if the Democrats win 82 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 3: the House of Representatives by one or two seats, which 83 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 3: is a possibility. If that's the case, we're gonna look 84 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 3: at yesterday as a catastrophe that could have been avoided. 85 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 2: Now. 86 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 3: You know, in radio, it's almost like some people considered radio, 87 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 3: especially like on news stations like the newspaper, an audio 88 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 3: version of a newspaper. You talk about the news, you 89 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 3: move on to other things. But talk shows like Tony 90 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 3: Katz Today and my previous radio show, the Michael Coolidge Show, 91 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 3: you know, and as you listen to us in the 92 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 3: very beginning, we talked about my love, appreciation and admiration 93 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 3: for Rush Limbaugh, my entire life, the king of radio 94 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 3: of all time, of talk radio specifically, it's about a 95 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 3: lot more than talking about the news. It's talking about 96 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 3: where we are as a country right now, where we 97 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 3: are as a state. If you're in a state, you 98 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 3: know you're on a talk show in a state where 99 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 3: we are is a community. If you're a hyperlocal city show. 100 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 3: Let's say I think it's important to point out where 101 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 3: we are as a country right now and where we 102 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 3: could go. 103 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: I don't need to point it out. 104 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 3: Waters and Wanger in Real Clear History, Real Clear Politics 105 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 3: is my go to, like main page that I go 106 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 3: to pretty much the first thing I look at every 107 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 3: single morning, whether I'm doing a radio show or not. 108 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 2: It's Real Clear Politics. 109 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 3: It's awesome, links to a bunch of different news stories 110 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 3: and commentary, both on the left and the right perspective. 111 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 3: They've been doing it for decades. They're just off the 112 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 3: charts awesome. Tom Bevan, who happens to live in Illinois, 113 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 3: runs it, and I know other people do too, but 114 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 3: he's one of the co founders. Anyway, John Waters and 115 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 3: Adam Elwanger wrote the following, and it's so good how 116 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 3: Trump changed America in Realclearhistory. 117 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 2: Dot com, which is part of real clear Politics. 118 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 3: Since the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center towers, 119 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 3: many have designated September eleventh, two thousand and one as 120 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 3: the true close of the twentieth century. That event indeed 121 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 3: changed many things in the United States and in the world. 122 00:06:58,600 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 2: It was a sign that. 123 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 3: The American led global order established after World War II 124 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 3: had become fragile and hollowed out. But in the decades 125 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 3: that followed, our leaders clung to the pieties and perspectives 126 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 3: of the pre nine to eleven period, applying obsolete solutions 127 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 3: in a new era with much different problems. In retrospect, 128 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 3: Donald Trump's twenty fifteen presidential campaign was the true start 129 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 3: of the twenty first century. He was the first political 130 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 3: figure to offer a coherence account of where America had 131 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 3: gone wrong, and the first to propose a genuinely different 132 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 3: prescription for fixing the rot in our institutions. More than that, though, 133 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 3: he restored national pride to the center of politics. Approximately 134 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 3: eighty percent of Americans said they were proud of their 135 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 3: country in January of twenty twenty one. By the mid 136 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 3: twenty twenties, only sixty of Americans said they were proud 137 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 3: of their country January twenty twenty or I'm sorry two 138 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: thousand one, two thousand and one. That's key, And remember 139 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 3: that's before September eleventh. The patriotism after September eleventh was 140 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 3: off the charts high. It was probably like in the 141 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 3: low nineties, but in January of two thousand and one, 142 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 3: eighty percent of Americans said they were proud of their country. 143 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 3: Now it's at sixty percent, with younger Americans being significantly 144 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 3: less proud than their Baby boom in Silent Generation elders. 145 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 3: We cannot blame the precipitous decline solely on political polarization. 146 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 3: Many Americans across the political spectrum believe both parties have 147 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 3: failed to act in the best interests of the nation 148 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 3: and its citizens. 149 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 2: Hmm. 150 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 3: Indiana Republican senators shooted in vote for the map yesterday. 151 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 3: On foreign policy, Republicans and Democrats share the blame. President 152 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 3: Bush launched a global war on Muslim roists, which failed 153 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 3: to achieve its stated objectives and gave rhetorical ammunition to 154 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 3: our opponents. President Obama expanded Bush's war through covert action, 155 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 3: all the while traveling to Cairo, Strausbourg, Hiroshima, and other 156 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 3: international destinations to apologize for American power. Remember the bowing 157 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 3: and the American apology tour leading from behind Obama I do. 158 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 3: Months before his messy and embarrassing withdrawal from Afghanistan, President 159 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 3: Biden declared in June of twenty twenty one that domestic 160 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 3: violent extremism, specifically white supremacists and so called anti government groups, 161 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 3: was the most urgent terrorist threat to the United States. 162 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 3: Obama once ridiculed working class Americans as bitter and backwards, 163 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 3: bitter cleingers hanging to their clinging to their guns. Remember 164 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 3: that Hillary Clinton dismissed them as a basket of deplorables, 165 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 3: but Biden made the attacks the centerpiece of his agenda. 166 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 3: Democrats have systematically undermined national identity for decades. Rather than 167 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 3: acknowledging the people, events, and ideas that contributed to the 168 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 3: formation and improvement of our country, Obama and Biden presented 169 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 3: tales of racism, discrimination, and inequality as the defining features 170 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 3: of the American character. Indeed, Obama once referred to slavery 171 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 3: as the country's original sin. This metaphor was not accidental. 172 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 3: Original sin can never be erased or xpated. This meant 173 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 3: that America was irredeemable. 174 00:10:58,480 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 2: As national leaders. 175 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 3: Obama and Biden taught American history in aberration, using a 176 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 3: narrow identity politics to demonstrate that America had wandered away 177 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 3: from its founding principles and that only collective action the 178 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 3: federal government could write this wrong. Both presidents used these 179 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 3: narratives to instantiate diversity criteria into federal hiring practices and 180 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 3: domestic policy, which atomized the fractured unity of the American people. 181 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 3: The ancient Greeks had a concept called thumos, a word 182 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 3: that is best translated into English as spiritedness, which means 183 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 3: something closer to pride or self respect when applied to politics. 184 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 3: Since America won the Civil War, elites of both parties 185 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 3: carried out a long series of policy decisions that worked 186 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 3: to kill our sense of self respect. Republican politicians unwittingly 187 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 3: undermined the United States states thumos. They made people poorer 188 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 3: by gutting the manufacturing sector in pursuit of corporate profit, 189 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 3: and they pushed us into unwinnable wars with enormous human, economic, 190 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 3: and reputational damage. The Democrats, however, deliberately attacked the nation's thumos, 191 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 3: openly mocking regular Americans, denigrating our culture and history, and 192 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 3: implementing a system that put newcomers and illegal immigrants ahead 193 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 3: of citizens. By twenty twenty, this dual attack on American 194 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 3: pride had reduced regular people to a state of hopelessness 195 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 3: or worse, self disdain. But people don't want to feel 196 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 3: that way. The strongest retained a flickering sense of pride 197 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 3: that awaited someone to stoke the fading embers into a 198 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 3: fire of ambition, hope, and self respect. And more than 199 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 3: anyone else, that person was Donald Trump. He returned the 200 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 3: nation's faltering thuma and reminded Americans that they have much 201 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 3: to be proud of. Trump were kindled enthusiasm for Americanism, 202 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 3: both as a feeling of patriotism and a conviction in 203 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 3: our culture, customs, and history. He uses words and imagery 204 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 3: to spotlight examples of historic greatness to which any American 205 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 3: of any race, sex, class, or religion can aspire. Trump 206 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 3: said in his second inaugural address on twenty twenty, twenty 207 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 3: twenty five, our country was forged and built by the 208 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 3: generations of patriots who gave everything they had for our 209 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 3: rights and our freedom. They were farmers and soldiers, cowboys 210 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 3: and factory workers, steel workers and coal miners, police officers, 211 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 3: and pioneers who pushed onward, marched forward, and let no 212 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 3: obstacle defeat their spirit were their pride. Where his predecessors 213 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 3: fixed stated on abstract issues like global terrorism, Trump is 214 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 3: strategically focused on America's priorities. I have no vision for Europe, 215 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 3: Trump said on December ninth, twenty twenty five, just a 216 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 3: couple of days ago. I have a vision for the 217 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 3: United States America First. This year, Trump ReLit the fire 218 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 3: in the hearts of the American people. He restored their 219 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 3: hope that the future can and will be better. In 220 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 3: achieving this monumental feat, Trump gave birth to the new century. 221 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 3: John Waters and Adam Elwanger in Realclear History dot Com, 222 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 3: this is Tony Kats today. I am Mike Coolidge in 223 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 3: for Tony will be right back. We're back on Tony 224 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 3: Kats today. I am Mike Coolidge in for Tony Cats. 225 00:14:56,040 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 3: And before the break we were talking about how Trump 226 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 3: changed America. This piece by Waters and Elwanger in real 227 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 3: clear history, and their point in a nutshell is that 228 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 3: this century really kind of started in the Trump era, 229 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 3: which started in twenty fifteen. 230 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 2: It's funny. 231 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 3: John Nolty, friend of mine, also an old radio friend, 232 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 3: who is an early bright bart guy, and his ex 233 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 3: handles hilarious. He found a big journalism this old website, 234 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 3: and his postslamacs are just hilarious. And he was a 235 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 3: conservative film critic for years. 236 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 2: Anyway, he. 237 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 3: Mentioned how culture from two thousand till about twenty till 238 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 3: the COVID era really seemed to not really advance all 239 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 3: that much. You know, like even if you watch shows 240 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 3: like Friends in the mid late nineties, the clothes that 241 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 3: they're wearing, with a couple of exceptions, obviously don't seem 242 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 3: that weird. Even the hairstyles that they're wearing don't seem 243 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 3: like that dated. Yeah, But like, for instance, the eighties 244 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 3: is way different than the seventies, which was way different 245 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 3: than the sixties, which was way different than the fifties. 246 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 3: Two thousand and five, two thousand and three, twenty fifteen, sixteen, 247 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 3: even twenty twenty, not a whole lot of difference. Like 248 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 3: I feel like John brought this up, and I agreed 249 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 3: with him that, you know, culture itself has kind of 250 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 3: not really gone that Ford, and it was, it was 251 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 3: in a stagnant era until Donald Trump came on the 252 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 3: national political scene. He of course, was already a huge 253 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 3: deal in the entertainment world on The Apprentice, and he was, 254 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 3: you know, on Oprah Winfrey in the eighties, and he 255 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 3: was a major, major, Oh. He helped start the usfl 256 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 3: all the casino stuff. I mean, he was on TV 257 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,239 Speaker 3: all the time with stuff. Even before the Apprentice. He 258 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 3: was famous for being rich and losing his money and 259 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 3: then gaining it all back, and then losing it and 260 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 3: then gaining it all back. I mean, he was quite 261 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 3: an American icon before he even got in to politics. 262 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 3: And I happened to interview him twice on this radio show. 263 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 3: Once once in twenty twelve when he was stumping for 264 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 3: Mitt Romney, if you can believe it, during the primary, 265 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 3: and the second time when he was running for president 266 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen. And I was a huge fan of 267 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 3: The Apprentice and watched every episode. My wife and I 268 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 3: were when we were dating. We would watch that all 269 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 3: the time. So I was very familiar with Donald Trump, 270 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 3: and I liked him as a person and as a 271 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 3: just you know, celebrity before he got into politics. But 272 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 3: I was skeptical of him when he ran, mainly because 273 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 3: I'm a lifelong conservative Republican. He is not a lifelong 274 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 3: conservative Republican or he wasn't, you know, he just wasn't 275 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 3: like he said in the nineties, he was a Democrat. 276 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 2: At one point he said he was pro choice. 277 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 3: He wasn't very he didn't have a big kind of 278 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 3: track record of being like pro gun rights, and so 279 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 3: those kind of things gave me hesitation when he said 280 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 3: he was running for president in twenty sixteen, I didn't 281 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 3: get on the you know, Trump train immediately. I was 282 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 3: a Marco Rubio guy who actually turned out to be 283 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 3: a really great politician and now maybe one of the 284 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 3: best definitely the best secretary of State we've had in 285 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 3: my lifetime, to be sure. And he's only been Secretary 286 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 3: of State for a year, not even a year anyway. 287 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 3: I digress. Donald Trump. What he did by entering politics, 288 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 3: as these guys point out, changed the country not just 289 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 3: by getting elected but raged history, and this Trump era 290 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 3: is going to be looked back on in history. 291 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 2: It's like a fifteen year period. 292 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 3: He's going to be president all the way till twenty 293 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 3: twenty eight, of course, and he's probably going to be 294 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 3: around for the first couple of years of whoever comes 295 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 3: after him, Right, He's still going to be a name 296 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 3: and a figure. And like former President Trump and no 297 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 3: one of the president could say that Obama doesn't. 298 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 2: Have influence on our culture anymore. 299 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 3: George Bush certainly does not, Bill Clinton sure doesn't, but 300 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 3: Trump has, and especially because of the way that the 301 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 3: his terms were spread out. Anyway, we have more after 302 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 3: this on Tony Cats Today. 303 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 2: I am Mike Coolidge. Stay with us. 304 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 3: We're back on Tony Katz today. I could vaguely, vaguely 305 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 3: hear that bumper music of working for the Weekend, and 306 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 3: my wife and I always argue over that song. I 307 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 3: always say that working for the weekend means like, Hey, 308 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 3: do you want to hang out tonight? 309 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 2: Nope, Sorry, I'm working for the weekend. Can't do it. 310 00:19:58,080 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 2: I'm busy. 311 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,479 Speaker 3: What do you mean, yeah, working for the weekend. She's like, no, 312 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 3: it means working for the weekend is. 313 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 2: Like, eh, we're getting ready to go out for the weekend. 314 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 2: We're working to get to the weekend. 315 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 3: I think she's probably right but I think it's funnier 316 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 3: to be pessimistic about it. 317 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm working for the weekend. I can't hang out. 318 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 3: So we talked before about where we are in history 319 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 3: right now. Yeah, we tackle big things on Tony Katz 320 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 3: Today with fill in host for today Mike Coolidge and 321 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 3: Donald Trump, and we're in the Trump era and it 322 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 3: is going to be at a minimum of fifteen years 323 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 3: and then at some point there's going to be somebody 324 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 3: after him. And my money is on a jd. Vance 325 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 3: Marco Rubio ticket, the two of them. I think that 326 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,239 Speaker 3: that is much like if I were a betting man, 327 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 3: which I am, I would say that it's going to 328 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 3: be the University of Georgia versus the Indiana Hoosiers in 329 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 3: the College Football National Championship. 330 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 2: In twenty two twenty six. 331 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 3: I think that the matchup on the Republican I'm sorry, 332 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 3: on the presidential race of twenty twenty eight is going 333 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 3: to be JD. Vance and Marco Rubio on the Republican ticket, 334 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 3: almost for certain, I think. But who is going to 335 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 3: be on the Democrat side That is a huge question mark, 336 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 3: huge question mark. But I do have to say this 337 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 3: before we get into who that is going to be. 338 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 3: I got to tell this quick story about when I 339 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 3: joined the Trump train when it's twenty fifty. 340 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 2: When twenty fifteen was. 341 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 3: Going on, I was on the radio with the Michael 342 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 3: Coogan Show, and we had this tradition where I would 343 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 3: have a Christmas party every year, and then sometimes I 344 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 3: would have a summer party too, So you know, it's 345 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 3: like a listener appreciation thing with the listeners would come out. 346 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 3: And again, this is one of the things I love 347 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 3: about radio. I know Tony has done and more things 348 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 3: and connects with you in person sometimes, which is awesome. 349 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 3: If you've had a chance to meet Tony in person, 350 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 3: it's like you've you because you listened to a show 351 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 3: all the time. No, I'm like a friend, right, You're like, hey, 352 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 3: it's Tony Kason. He might not know you at all, 353 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 3: but you know him. It's a weird dynamic, right. What 354 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 3: was the same with me and my listeners. My listeners 355 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 3: knew me because I listened to the show every day, 356 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 3: but I didn't know them. It's why I loved having 357 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 3: these listener you know, listener appreciation parties. Anyway, So it's 358 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 3: a summer of twenty fifteen and the Republican field is 359 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 3: starting to form for the election of twenty twenty six, 360 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 3: and Trump's already running. And me, mister smarty pants political junkie, 361 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 3: as wagging my finger at my listener's saying, Donald Trump, 362 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 3: he's super smart. He's a great, you know, entertainer and 363 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 3: a businessman. I watched all the episodes of The Apprentice. 364 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 3: I like how he makes decisions about things. 365 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 2: I've interviewed him. 366 00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 3: He's awesome, But I'm not convinced he's going to be 367 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 3: a conservative Republican in the presidency. So and you know, 368 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 3: I think he's doing this maybe for you know, entertainment reasons. 369 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 3: I don't think he's actually running. And so at the 370 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 3: listener party, it was in Rochelle, Illinois, beautiful summer day. 371 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 3: I remember one particular listener. She grabbed me by the 372 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 3: shoulders and kind of shook them in a sweet way. 373 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 3: She's like, Mike, you don't understand Trump is for real. 374 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 3: And she had a Trump shirt on already. It's in 375 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 3: twenty fifteen. She's like, Trump is for real. He gets 376 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 3: us better than any of these other candidates do. He 377 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 3: gets what needs to happen in this country. He gets Americanism, 378 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 3: He is not in anyone's pocket. He doesn't owe anyone anything. 379 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 3: He's not part of the establishment in any way, shape 380 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 3: or form. That's an assets. 381 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 2: We love him. We're not leaving the Trump train. 382 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 3: And that was the first time that I was educated, 383 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 3: not the first time I was educated by my listeners, 384 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 3: but that was the strongest time I was ever educated. 385 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 3: Buy my listers on something saying I was certain that 386 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 3: I was smarter about the political world of twenty fifteen, 387 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 3: twenty sixteen than they were. 388 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 2: I follow this stuff every day, I talk about it 389 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 2: on the radio. 390 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 3: No, they corrected me, and they were right. And then 391 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 3: the second time where I really again was educated by 392 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 3: Trump supporters, when I wasn't one hundred percent on the 393 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 3: Trump train yet, was just a couple of weeks after that. 394 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 3: It was the debate of twenty fifteen, the famous debate 395 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 3: with all the candidates on stage, and Trump made the 396 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 3: comment about Rosie O'Donnell and then made the comment about 397 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 3: Megan Kelly afterwards, and the you know from wherever comment 398 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 3: fill in the first part of that I. 399 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 2: Don't want to say on the radio. 400 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 3: They of course had since you know, shook hands and 401 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 3: their allies now and they're awesome, but that was a 402 00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 3: really controversial thing. He said something that was some people 403 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 3: thought it was sexist. And you know, at the time 404 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 3: in twenty fifteen, people thought that Trump was playing by. 405 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 2: All the political rules. 406 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 3: Oh you say something controversially, you're out. Your career is over, 407 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 3: it's done. And so I think it was Eric Erickson 408 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 3: in Georgia. I was at an event that Red State 409 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 3: dot Org was running there and a lot of the 410 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 3: candidates were there. 411 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 2: This is in Atlanta, and then. 412 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 3: Trump was going to come to the party afterwards, and 413 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 3: at that time, Eric Erickson like basically said no, he's 414 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 3: off the Trump train because of the whole Meghan Kelly. 415 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 2: Controversy at the time. So he quit on him right there. 416 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 3: And it was really controversial because people were expecting Trump 417 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 3: to be at the event later that. 418 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 2: Night or the next day whatever. 419 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 3: And I remember before we went to the event that 420 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 3: we're busted is going to the College Football Hall of Fame, 421 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 3: which happens to be in Atlanta, and uh. 422 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 2: We are. 423 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 3: I'm talking with four middle aged women at the bar. 424 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 3: None of us are drinking yet. We're on the way there, 425 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 3: but we're just kind of like waiting at the bar. 426 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 3: It's like late afternoon, and I said, so, what do 427 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 3: you think about the Megan Kelly thing and that whole controversy, Like, 428 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 3: are you. 429 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 2: Guys does that bother you? And all four of. 430 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 3: These middle aged women were like, no, not at all, 431 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 3: are you kidding me? 432 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 2: And again it was this moment that. 433 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 3: I vividly remember, where I was being educated by people 434 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 3: who understood Trump politically before I did. They said, he 435 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 3: gets it this kind of stuff. He's not going to 436 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 3: apologize for it, and that's awesome. He's proving right now 437 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 3: that he is not controlled by the media. He doesn't 438 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 3: He's not playing the old game of politics here. He's 439 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 3: changing things. We're not going anywhere. We're one hundred percent 440 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 3: on the Trump train. That was the second time that 441 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 3: I realized how serious this whole movement was. And by 442 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 3: that point it wasn't about Trump anymore. It was about 443 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 3: what he and how people felt about him. It was 444 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 3: about the people. And I remember that came to fruition 445 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 3: at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland, Ohio the next year, 446 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 3: which I was at, and I remember vividly his speech, 447 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 3: his final speech where he said, you know, the phrase 448 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 3: of Hillary. 449 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 2: Clinton was I'm with her, I'm with her. 450 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 3: Remember there were bumper stickers, I'm with her, And he said, 451 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 3: what I'm telling you tonight. 452 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 2: Is I'm with you. I'm with you. 453 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 3: Sounds so simple, sounds like a bumper sticker, but it resonated. 454 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 2: And here we. 455 00:27:55,000 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 3: Are ten years later, over ten years later, and we're 456 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 3: talking about term two of President Donald J. Trump and 457 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 3: the person who comes after him. 458 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 2: I hope and pray is another Republican. I hope it's JD. 459 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 2: Vance and Marco Rubio. But who are they going to 460 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 2: run against? 461 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 3: And God forbid, if that is the ticket on the 462 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 3: Republican side, what if they lose, who might be the 463 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 3: next president and vice president of the United States? And 464 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 3: if they're a Democrat, who they're going to be? We're 465 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 3: going to go through eight names after this on Tony 466 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 3: Katz today with the highest likelihood of being the Democrat 467 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 3: nominee at least. This is Mike Coolidge in for Tony Katz. 468 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 2: We'll be right back. 469 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 3: We are back on Tony Katz today. I am Mike 470 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 3: Coolidge in for Tony and you can find me on 471 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 3: x at Coolidge koo l I dge Coolidge's spelled with 472 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 3: a K. Go ahead, and find follow me and for 473 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 3: a limited time only, I will follow you back. Yeah, 474 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 3: that's right, Coolidge koo l I DG E on X. 475 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 3: All Right, So, if it's Vance and Rubio at the 476 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 3: top of the ticket in twenty twenty eight, who is 477 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 3: going to be on the other side? Mark Halprin has 478 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 3: a podcast and he's been around the block a long 479 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 3: time in DC. 480 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 2: Uh. 481 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 3: He has a list here of eight people in order 482 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 3: who he thinks has the best chance of being the 483 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 3: Democrat nominee in twenty twenty eight. 484 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 2: Let's go through them. Number eight, all right, so this 485 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 2: is eight going up to one. 486 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 3: Eight Alexandria Acasio Cortes. He says unmatched activist energy and 487 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 3: youth appeal for the base, but lands at the bottom 488 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 3: due to skepticism from centrists and establishment over electability and 489 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 3: polarizing style, big hurdles in general election viability. Alexandria Casio Cortez. 490 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 3: She is not extremely smart. She's smarter than Kamala Harris, though, 491 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 3: I'll give her that, and that's a very low bar. 492 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 3: She's more appealing than Kamala Harris, I'll tell you that 493 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 3: right now. That's also a very low bar. She's more 494 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 3: likable than Kamala Harris, but she is fringe left. She 495 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 3: is she's a Democrat socialist. I mean that she doesn't 496 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 3: shy away from that at all. And she's in the 497 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 3: bubble of New York City and in the bubble of 498 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 3: the Accella Corridor and has shown zero and I mean 499 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 3: zero indications that she is able to moderate any position whatsoever. 500 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 3: So I think that she definitely has a shot at 501 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 3: getting the nomination. But I think if they start only 502 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 3: because you know her appeal to the leftist base, but 503 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 3: as they poll nationally, her appeal when people start to 504 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 3: learn about what she believes, who and things that she 505 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 3: said and what she's done. As far as the far 506 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 3: lefty socialist that she is, I. 507 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 2: Do not see her being the nominee. 508 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 3: Number seven. Wes Moore, current governor of Maryland, Emerging talent 509 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 3: with charisma and focus on economic issues, using twenty twenty 510 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 3: five election wins to build momentum, but still building donor ties. 511 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 3: This guy is legit, or at. 512 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 2: Least I thought he was up until really recently. 513 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 3: Because a lot of stuff keeps coming out about this 514 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 3: guy that is sketchy. Two particular things come to mind. One, 515 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 3: he did serve in the military. He claimed when he 516 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 3: was running for office that he had a bronze star. 517 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 3: Turned out he didn't have a bronze star. Turned out 518 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 3: years later, literally like twenty years after he got out 519 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 3: of the military, he convinced his former commanding officer to 520 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 3: submit him for a bronzetar as you can do that. 521 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 3: I was in the Army for six years. I actually 522 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 3: at one point was an s one, a guy who 523 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:20,719 Speaker 3: processed medals up the chain of command and you know 524 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 3: the applications for them. So yeah, you can get submitted 525 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 3: for a medal even after your way out of the military. 526 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 2: I know a guy who. 527 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 3: Received a Congressional Medal of Honor after receiving a silver 528 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 3: Star previously. David Bellavia interviewed him to awesome, amazing human being. 529 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 3: Wes Moore lied about having a bronze Star early on, 530 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 3: and then he got one, and then more recently it 531 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 3: was out that he went to Oxford, but there's no 532 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 3: record of his dissertation, and there's no record there's no 533 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 3: record that he went to Oxford. 534 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 2: That might he might produce that. 535 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 3: And that might turn out to be, you know, not 536 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 3: that bad. But those two knocks against him I think 537 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 3: he's one these guys that embellishes things of it a 538 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 3: little bit like, Oh, I don't know Tim Walls, who's 539 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 3: not on this list. Smartly six Andy Basheer, governor of Kentucky, 540 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 3: rising star with crossover appeal in red states, praise for 541 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 3: winning tough races, but needs to scale up national profile 542 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 3: and vision. He's legit. Two, he's not that crazy. Lacking 543 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 3: a little bit in the charisma department, though, Andy Basheer, 544 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 3: don't think he has the it factor you need to 545 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 3: be president. Wes Moore kind of does. AOC kind of 546 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 3: does too. I mean, even though she's a far super lefty, 547 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 3: but that you know, Andy Butsheer is not gonna have 548 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 3: five million Instagram or TikTok followers like aoz Is trust me. 549 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 3: Gretchen Whittmer solid Midwest appeal and executive experience, but must 550 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 3: prove national viability beyond regional base. Highlighted for leadership and 551 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 3: swing states. That's a no. She is only a smidgen 552 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 3: more intelligent than Kamala Harris and is not as appealing 553 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 3: as people think she might be. 554 00:33:58,600 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 2: Number four. 555 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 3: Speaking of witch, Kamala Harris remains a contender due to 556 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 3: name recognition and fundraising prowess, but faces skepticism from centrists 557 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 3: and establishment for past campaign struggles. Ranked midpack as a 558 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 3: potential comeback story. Please Democrats, please renominate her. Number three 559 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 3: Pete buddhaj Edge fits into the shifting field with go 560 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 3: anywhere confidence, national experience and ability to connect with moderates. 561 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 3: Strong communicator, but needs to build a broader coalition. I 562 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 3: wouldn't rule him out, but I think he's overrated Pete 563 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 3: Buddha Judge Number two Josh Shapiro, undervalued stock with broad 564 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 3: appeal and battleground states, sets himself apart by focusing on 565 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,959 Speaker 3: pragmatic governance and understanding Trump voters seeing his real force 566 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 3: if he executes well. He is the sharpest tack of 567 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 3: these eight and the most serious guy. His problem is 568 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 3: he is and this isn't a problem for him personal. 569 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 3: I'm just saying he's Jewish and there's a lot of 570 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 3: anti semitism on the Democrats side, so I don't see 571 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 3: him getting to the top because of the anti semitism 572 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,439 Speaker 3: on the Democrats. But he is a really sharp guy 573 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 3: for a Democrat. And number one Gavin Newsome leads the 574 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 3: pack due to strong donor networks, media savvy and proactive 575 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 3: efforts to address party weaknesses. Post twenty twenty four dominates 576 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 3: the invisible primary with action, intention and authenticity. 577 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,320 Speaker 2: He's phony, he's slimy. 578 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 3: He could be your next Democrat nominee for president. 579 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,399 Speaker 2: But I think Vance and Rubio mop the floor with him. 580 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 2: That's my prediction. 581 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 3: Well, that is going to do it for this hour, 582 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 3: this show, and this week of Tony Kats. Today I 583 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 3: have been Mike Coolidge in for Tony. Have a wonderful weekend, 584 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 3: and we'll see you next time.