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Speaker 1: Do you with Caitlyn Clark in this as we move

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Speaker 2: She understands the big picture. You know, we'll have conversations.

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Speaker 1: Lastly, Coach, I wanted to share this and it sounds personal,

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Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate that, Jake, thank you so much. And

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Speaker 1: Well, coach enjoyed the offseason. I know there's still a

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Speaker 1: But I am most most most most grateful for your

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Speaker 1: Stephanie White, the head coach of the Indiana Fever. That

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Speaker 6: Right, speaking of lost and clueless, we bring on Kyle

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right because it's Friday night under the lights tonight,

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Speaker 3: Have you watched that show yet?

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Speaker 1: That's pretty good, so have you watched it.

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Speaker 6: It feels like we miss comedies now, so I was

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Speaker 1: Have you seen did you the only others that I've

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Speaker 1: like twenty eight different apps? Right Land Man, have you

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Speaker 1: seen that with Billy Bob Thornton. It's not a comedy,

441
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 1: but it has a lot of funny parts in it.

442
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 1: Have you seen that?

443
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 2: Yeah?

444
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 6: I did start on that because that was I watched

445
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 6: nineteen twenty three? Was that and enjoyed that. I think

446
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 6: that's on the same streaming platform, right.

447
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 1: That's right. I think that those might be paramount.

448
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

449
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 1: And then the other one is Stick, which is kind

450
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 1: of like Ted Lasso but not near as good. But

451
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 1: it has Owen Wilson and it's about golf and it

452
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 1: takes place in Indiana. It's pretty good.

453
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 6: Okay, I heard about that one too.

454
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 1: It's good, all right. So let's get to the games

455
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 1: that you'll be streaming if you will not really, I'll

456
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Speaker 1: be watching them in person. Tonight you are going to

457
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 1: be at Warren Central and Lawrence North. Correct.

458
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Speaker 6: Yeah, you mentioned Monchune Sales, the five star receiver that

459
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 6: Lawrence North has, and pretty cool honor for him. I

460
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:26,880
Speaker 6: don't remember how many.

461
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 3: You know, five stars we've had that.

462
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Speaker 6: I mean, there haven't been a ton, I would say

463
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 6: to reach that stature. You know, that's basically talking about

464
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,199
Speaker 6: top twenty five in his class in the country, and

465
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,159
Speaker 6: he's actually twenty four to seven Sports, which does a

466
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Speaker 6: good job covering, you know, recruiting and you know, in

467
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 6: my opinion, doing rankings and things like that, they have

468
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 6: him number six this week that came out, so you know,

469
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 6: that's a that's a pretty cool honor for him.

470
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Speaker 1: I mean, he is what year, He's only a junior.

471
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Speaker 6: So this is the twenty twenty seven class.

472
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Speaker 1: So he's not Kyle. What's interesting to me about this is,

473
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Speaker 1: and you tell me, I mean, you cover high school sports.

474
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 1: You know, typically if a player is a top ten

475
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 1: national level player in basketball, we know of them as

476
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 1: a household name by the time they're like a sophomore.

477
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 1: But yet it seems like we see more of from

478
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Speaker 1: the football standpoint, players not getting on that radar. Until

479
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: the latter part of their high school career. Am I

480
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 1: off base in saying that, No.

481
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Speaker 3: That's totally correct.

482
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Speaker 6: I would say, And even sales last year was really good,

483
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 6: you know, Lawrence North was, you know, and if they

484
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Speaker 6: would have made it the state, I think he would

485
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 6: probably be a name that's even more out there. But they,

486
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 6: you know, Brownsburg flipped him by one point in the regional,

487
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 6: so they he didn't quite get on that stage.

488
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Speaker 3: But he had a great year last year.

489
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Speaker 6: But even to your point, as a freshman, you know,

490
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 6: he was not even on varsity, so you know, and

491
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Speaker 6: when you're talking about basketball, normally those top players are

492
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Speaker 6: already you know, they come into freshman year and they're

493
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Speaker 6: you know, even if they're not a star player, they're

494
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 6: already like, oh, that kid's gonna be a star, you know.

495
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 6: Whereas football, you know, you oftentimes don't put a fourteen

496
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 6: fifteen year old kid out there against eighteen year olds

497
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 6: just because they're not you know, your body's just not

498
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 6: ready for that yet. So it's pretty rare. Even for

499
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 6: him like last year. You know, he's so much better

500
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,199
Speaker 6: this year than last year, I would say, you know,

501
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 6: and just I'm looking forward to seeing him play tonight.

502
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 6: But he you know, you could see it last year,

503
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 6: like he was the you know, he he's a very physical,

504
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 6: uh specimen, you know, six foot four or five, you know,

505
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 6: and and you know, so he looks the part walking

506
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 6: in and then you watch him play and it's like, okay,

507
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 6: but he wasn't you know, Davion Chandler was their top

508
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 6: receiver last year and he went to AU uh so

509
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 6: even last year he wasn't their top you know, top

510
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 6: at that position. Even so, you know, to your point,

511
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 6: that's I think that's absolutely correct. There are there are

512
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,239
Speaker 6: kids who come in and you know, play more as

513
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 6: a freshman, but I would say more of the time

514
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 6: that's at the probably at the smaller class levels or

515
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 6: you know, depending on positions. Sometimes sometimes you see a

516
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 6: Ruhman quarterback come in. But you know, some of the

517
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 6: more physical positions. It takes, you know, it takes a

518
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 6: couple of years for most most kids.

519
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Speaker 2: Man.

520
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Speaker 1: I mean I'm looking at it right here, Okay, six

521
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: five five, So obviously there's a little bit of bulk

522
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 1: that needs to go on there, right but you know,

523
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: and already I mean, just the list of schools, I mean,

524
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: it's basically everyone. Clearly he's going to have his choice

525
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 1: of where he wants to go. But to go back

526
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 1: further on this, are we talking about and it's pronounced

527
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 1: is it Monschune? Is that how you say his first name?

528
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 3: Yeah?

529
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: Monjune sales at Lawrence North? Are we are we talking

530
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Speaker 1: about somebody that is now on the radar because of

531
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Speaker 1: just the intangibles quote unquote or is their body of

532
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: work on the field where you go? Yeah, I mean

533
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 1: this guy's been a different level already or is it

534
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 1: more so what it looks like he's going to grow into.

535
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Speaker 6: I think it's a combination. I mean, he is producing,

536
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 6: you know, and he did like I said last year,

537
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 6: he had like probably six hundred yards close to that receiving.

538
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 6: And also what I think helps him Jake too, is

539
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 6: he ran track this past spring and his numbers are

540
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 6: really good. You know, I don't have him out the

541
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 6: top of my head, but he he performed really well

542
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 6: in track, so you could kind of see the track

543
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 6: speed translate to football. And when you're doing that at

544
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 6: the height he's at, I mean, that's that's he's not

545
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 6: It's not like he's a five to ten you know,

546
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 6: speed burner he's a six four speed burner six five speed,

547
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 6: so so that I think also is a good thing

548
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 6: for him. And Pat Mallory, the coach at l N,

549
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 6: you know, he he coaches tracks, so he gets a

550
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 6: lot of his football guys to do track. And what

551
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 6: a great you know the thing that is because you

552
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 6: know those track you know, track numbers translate, you know,

553
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 6: and then those track workouts translate. So I think that

554
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 6: helped him too. And he just looks like a you know,

555
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 6: I haven't This will be the first time tonight I've

556
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 6: seen him in person this year other than practices, but uh,

557
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 6: you know everything, you know, he's just more physical, more

558
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 6: just I wouldn't even say more physical, just more built,

559
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 6: you know, more just comfortable, I think with with who

560
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 6: he is and as a player, that's you know, very

561
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 6: much obvious. And they have a new quarterback this year too,

562
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 6: so that's another transition that they have quarterback last year

563
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 6: graduated and they have a really good one this year,

564
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 6: Darien Prather.

565
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 3: But but yeah, I mean he he you.

566
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Speaker 6: Know, And I always kind of you always kind of

567
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 6: worry about kids getting ranked too highly because then it's

568
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 6: almost like where do you have to go from there?

569
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 6: You know, it kind of becomes a thing where it's like,

570
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 6: you know, he didn't rank himself. There other kids I've covered, like,

571
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 6: you know, they didn't ask to be ranked that highly.

572
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 6: So you know, but then the criticism comes to when

573
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 6: you don't put up two hundred yards a game or

574
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 6: score thirty points a game. You know, in gosh, I

575
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 6: heard so many adults ragging on high school kids for

576
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 6: for that sort of thing. I can't even count how

577
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 6: many times. But but yeah, I mean, I I definitely

578
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 6: think he's gonna be able to choose wherever he wants

579
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 6: to go, and it's gonna be you know, it's gonna

580
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 6: be a blue blood school or whatever you want to

581
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 6: categorize that as. I mean, he's gonna have his choice

582
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 6: of whatever he wants to go to Kyle.

583
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: When you look at this week in Kyle and then

584
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Star High School Football Rider is our guest this

585
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: weekend Lucas Oil Stadium, it's the Colts and the Raiders.

586
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: Raiders are a team that you know, there was some

587
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: question about him coming into the year, but we talked

588
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: to JT. The Brick yesterday who does Raiders radio, and

589
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: he was saying he's like, look, the time is now.

590
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: If they don't get a win now, then it's it

591
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: is a boulder in the stream game. Perhaps for Las Vegas.

592
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 1: I know we're a little later in the high school slate,

593
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: but is there a team that you look at and

594
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: you say, expected a little bit more and this is

595
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: the weekend where it's got to get going in the

596
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: right direction for them.

597
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I would say JT the Brick too.

598
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 6: What man, I remember listening to him back in the day.

599
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 6: I didn't know he was doing Raiders. He probably has

600
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 6: done that for a long time.

601
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's out. He's been in Vegas, he said for

602
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: twenty four years or something like that.

603
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, I remember listening to him on the I

604
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 6: think he's doing overnights. Maybe when I was delivering Domino's

605
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 6: pizzas back in the day.

606
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: But regardless, I would have yeah, me deliver a lot

607
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: of Dominoes in the late night. Yes, what was your

608
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: what was your shift? Let's hold the phone here on

609
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: the on the football question. What was your shift while

610
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: you were delivering Domino's pizza?

611
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 3: Count?

612
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: Then?

613
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 6: Oh, what did I walk into here?

614
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 3: I'm like the trap.

615
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 6: I think we closed on weeknights we were at two

616
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 6: a m. So I worked a lot of the back

617
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 6: in the day. They would give you a pager though

618
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 6: if they let you off that you were like a.

619
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: Run around.

620
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, right, they would give you, give you a

621
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 6: pager and.

622
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: The doctors right.

623
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 6: For for a rush, they would bring you back in.

624
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 6: Uh but yeah, I think it was two o'clock or

625
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 6: so you ever pick.

626
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: Up any chicks that thought you were a surgeon because

627
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: you'll run around with your beeper.

628
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 6: I don't think so. No, I don't remember that happening.

629
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: What in what community were you delivering Domino's pizzas at

630
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: two in the morning.

631
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 6: This was in uh, Lincoln, Nebraska when I was in well,

632
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 6: I guess it was college. And then I come home

633
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 6: in high school and then I come home for college

634
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 6: and I do that too.

635
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: What was the biggest tip you ever got or the

636
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: craziest situation you ever drove yourself into.

637
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 6: Oh boy, there's a lot. There's things I can't say

638
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 6: over the radio that were kind of strange.

639
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: But I did.

640
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 6: I was offered drugs one time, very late at night.

641
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 6: I'll say that, what'd you say?

642
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,479
Speaker 1: Did you say yes or no? I'm just kidding. No,

643
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: have you ever hear any you ever hear any soft music?

644
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: And then Nina Hartley suddenly showed.

645
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 6: Up, No, no, no stories to that effect. But yeah,

646
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 6: there's there's it's uh, you know, it was an interesting job.

647
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I would imagine the fair share of Jeff

648
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: Spacoli's order in pizza for you, right, just you know,

649
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: eating learning about Cuba and eating some food.

650
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 3: Right.

651
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 6: Well, a lot of those late calls, you would go

652
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 6: to the house. Then this is before even map quest

653
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 6: or Internet. But you go to the house and they

654
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 6: would be passed out, you know, they wouldn't even so

655
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 6: then you then you'd get a Then you'd bring home

656
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 6: the pizza and our manager and say I had just

657
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 6: take it, take it home.

658
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 2: You know.

659
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Speaker 1: Ari Liondyke won the nineteen ninety eight and car number

660
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Speaker 1: thirty sponsored by Domino's Pizzas. Back then their ad campaign

661
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Speaker 1: was thirty minutes or less where it's free. Yeah, yep,

662
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: so and then they actually had some legal things with

663
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Speaker 1: that and so there for but listen, nothne wrong with that.

664
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Speaker 1: But now, of course it would be Chicago's Pizza would

665
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: be the preference. But okay, so give me the team

666
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: or the school that just needs to get things turned around.

667
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 6: Well, the game I was thinking of and it's not

668
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 6: necessarily get turned around. But I would say the game

669
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 6: that probably falls into that category would be Avon and

670
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 6: Westfield because you know, Avon is now you know, they've

671
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 6: lost three out of four. I think they're I think

672
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 6: they're a really good team. Westfield is a team that

673
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 6: obviously they've been really good for years, uh these past

674
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 6: few years, Avon hasn't been able to, uh to knock

675
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 6: them off here recently. But I think this is going

676
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 6: to be a great matchup and you don't want to

677
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 6: go into you know, the end of the season here

678
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 6: losing too many, you know, in a row or a

679
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 6: chunk of games. So that's I think a game to

680
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Speaker 6: watch that you know, see if Avon can beat Westfield

681
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 6: at home tonight. Westfield played really well last week against Brownsburg,

682
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 6: so you know, I'd say that that game probably falls

683
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 6: into that category.

684
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Speaker 3: You know.

685
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 6: Also of interest, I think too is just the Center

686
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 6: Grove Cathedral game. You know, Center Grove is a six

687
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 6: to oh team, but you know, haven't played maybe you

688
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 6: know they've played some teams that are not having great seasons,

689
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 6: I would say, and then you know, they played out

690
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 6: of state team, so we haven't really got a gauge

691
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 6: on that. That's kind of a gauge game, I would say,

692
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 6: because the next two weeks they played Cathedral and Lawrence

693
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 6: North back to back weeks, and you know, it seems

694
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 6: like this time of yearly Center Grove is playing its

695
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 6: best football going into the tournament. And you know, I

696
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 6: think that's really one of note to uh that'll give

697
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 6: us maybe a good representation on where Center Grove's at

698
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 6: right now as a program.

699
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he can coach man. I mean, that's just that's

700
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: one of those programs that you if they're not strong

701
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: by the end of the year. You know, some coaches, Kyle,

702
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: would you agree, just have this ability that their team

703
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: cathedrals in this category as well, because you look at

704
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: their schedule a lot of times and you feel like

705
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: they're having a down year and then you realize they're

706
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: just loading it up where they get incrementally better each

707
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: and every week, and by the end of the year

708
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: then it all comes together for them.

709
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

710
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Speaker 6: I mean, I think the good coaches or you know,

711
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 6: the great coaches, you know, by the end of the season,

712
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 6: they're kind of molded into the style that you know,

713
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 6: you expect out of those programs, and you know it's

714
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 6: it's based on personnel and adjusting to what you have

715
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 6: as a team. But I always, you know, I always

716
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 6: sense that with Center Grove as they and cathed early

717
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 6: you mentioned them too, but you know they kind of

718
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 6: play to their to the way that the you know,

719
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 6: the coaches like to play, and I think, you know,

720
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 6: Center Grove has changed with that, so I'm over the years,

721
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 6: but they think good coaches like Eric Moore do is

722
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 6: you know, they're more of a passing team than they

723
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 6: used to be. But you know, if they're best teams,

724
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 6: they always they're always able to run the ball. They

725
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 6: always have, you know, really good defenses, and you know,

726
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 6: I think we'll find out these next couple of weeks

727
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 6: just maybe where they are exactly. But you know, they're

728
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 6: always like when I see them early in the year,

729
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 6: I always kind of think, well, that's probably part of

730
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 6: the team we're going to see later. But but they're

731
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 6: going to be dramatically better, and injuries will play. You know,

732
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 6: they've they've had a couple tough injuries too, so that

733
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 6: always plays a factor. But but yeah, they're they're I

734
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 6: always think when they're in October November, they're they're a

735
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 6: different team than they were in August.

736
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Speaker 1: By the way, Tenley and Crystal House that matchup tonight,

737
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: because we always try to focus on what the kids

738
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: are doing at some of the schools that you don't

739
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: hear as much about. Best to look to both those

740
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: schools as well, Addicts and short Ridge tonight, to schools

741
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: that attics short Ridge. I mean, that's I guess you

742
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: would say, obviously from a traditional standpoint, Kyle, we're talking

743
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: an old school rivalry game there, right.

744
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

745
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 6: Man, you think about the basketball games, you know, go

746
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 6: back in the history of the I love you know,

747
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 6: I've talked to some of those players from the era

748
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 6: of the fifties and the sixties. Also football were rivals,

749
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 6: but you know, man, there weren't any bigger games. You know,

750
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 6: it's fun to go back on the in the archives

751
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 6: sometimes and like you know, Addicts and short Ridge, we're

752
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 6: playing these games in front of you know, fourteen thousand

753
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 6: people at the hinkle Fieldhouse back in the day, So

754
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 6: you know, how cool to relive some of that stuff

755
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 6: and talk to some of those players over the years.

756
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: But by the way, lastly, so if you'd show up

757
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: with the pizza and and the guy had passed out.

758
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: Did you I mean, did you try to wake them up?

759
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 1: Did you just you rang the doorbell three times and

760
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: then weren't there and you just made your own conclusion?

761
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: Did they maybe leave? I mean, did did you administer CPR?

762
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: I mean, how did this work?

763
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 6: You would call They used to have a number, you know,

764
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 6: they put the home phone number on the on the

765
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 6: side of the box or whatever. Or you'd get in

766
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 6: and so you'd have to call. Uh, you'd have the

767
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 6: the uh. Uh you go back to the store, you know,

768
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 6: do you take it back and call him? Because back

769
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 6: then we didn't have cell phones, so uh, but you'd

770
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 6: go back to the store and call them back. And

771
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 6: if they didn't answer, but yeah, just ring the doorbell,

772
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 6: you know, several times.

773
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: And did you ever get this?

774
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: Uh?

775
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: Because I'm not saying that I ever did this, but

776
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: my understanding as kids used to did did you ever

777
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: get it? Where clearly what it was was it was

778
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: like a prank of somebody sending a pizza to someone's

779
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: house that that didn't actually order it.

780
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 6: I had that a couple of times, yeah, you know,

781
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 6: and then yeah, that was that was something that happened occasionally.

782
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.

783
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 6: Once you got past midnight, there was about anything could happen.

784
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 3: You never knew what was about to happen.

785
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like Uncle Jake's taxi Eddie that I run

786
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: on New Year's Eve. Right, no puking in the jeep. Right,

787
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: although the jeep puked on itself and they're putting a

788
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: new engine in it, and I got another week before

789
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: I get it back. That's a whole different talk show, Kyle.

790
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: All right, we didn't know that we were going to

791
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,240
Speaker 1: go down all of those different segues. But I appreciate

792
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: you going along for the vagabond journey.

793
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 6: Nonetheless, Absolutely I enjoyed it.

794
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: Kyle Nederrip joining us Indie Star. Appreciate it. Kyle, will

795
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: look forward to the story on again Warren and Lawrence

796
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: North and featuring a junior that is a top ten

797
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: player now in the country. Two o'clock on a Friday

798
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, for that matter, it's two o'clock on a

799
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: Friday everywhere in the Eastern time zone. My name is

800
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: Jake Quarry. Eddie Garrison, the other voice you hear on

801
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: this program today. The name of the show is Quarry

802
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: and Company, of course, and last night Eddie, I don't

803
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: know if we have somebody in the IT field, but

804
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: I made a hire last night. It member of the company. Oh,

805
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: Eddie is the president into the company. I forget what

806
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: my exact title is on the chairman of the board.

807
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: And that board does include Kevin Bowen, who is a

808
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: board member and a recurring guest on the program. Joins

809
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 1: us now he brings the professionalism to the company. Kevin,

810
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: you here in the morning with James Boyd and jeff

811
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 1: Rickord and the Fan Morning Show, and he is essentially

812
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: the primary colts beat writer for the station. All of

813
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: his work you can see at one oh seven five

814
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: the fan dot com. Kevin, Let's begin with this, and

815
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: that is we found out just about a little over

816
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: an hour ago some of those that are out for

817
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: this game against the Raiders and nothing, I guess overly shocking,

818
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: but at the same time going to be a challenge.

819
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: Let us know who is not going to be suiting

820
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: up for Indianapolis.

821
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say the one shocking night on Miss

822
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 5: Alex Peerce, you know as we sat here, Yeah, I

823
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 5: guess that was even this morning. You know, Pierce had

824
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 5: two full days of work. So anytime you're in concussions protocol,

825
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 5: you have two full days of work, that's usually pretty

826
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 5: good for you. I wasn't feeling good this morning, though,

827
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 5: and so he is out set back in the concussion

828
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 5: protocol did not pass. So that's not good obviously for Sunday.

829
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 5: It's also not good for you know, Pierce s pribably

830
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 5: stated in the obvious that you know, we're talking about

831
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 5: a guy that unfortunately has had I think it's now

832
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 5: three concussions.

833
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 3: Is the first one reason this multiple weeks. So he

834
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 3: is out.

835
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 5: No kennymore No Tyler Goodson, no Daniel Scott.

836
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 3: Those are the four so.

837
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 5: Backup running back, backup safety and then again Pierson Moore

838
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 5: both out for a second straight week.

839
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: The the more situation, I mean, obviously we knew going

840
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: in Kevin that was going to be unlikely, you know,

841
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: Kenny Moore would play. But when you look at you know,

842
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: xavieron Howard and that situation and what happens with them

843
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: at defensive backfield. Let's begin there, because we talked about

844
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: it in the middle of the week that you were

845
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: maybe going to have some moving around or just have

846
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: to go into your depth in terms of what you

847
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: were going to do. What is the lineup going to

848
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: look like for the Colts in terms of their defensive

849
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: backfield against Geno Smith, who has thrown you know, I

850
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: think six interceptions already this year, but against that Raiders offense.

851
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'd assume they'll call Mike Hilton up from

852
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 5: the practice cloud for second straight week, so he'll be

853
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 5: in the Kenny Moore role. The question will be than

854
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 5: what do they do opposite Mooney Ward. I would assume

855
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 5: that it's Makai Blackman, who was the one that did

856
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 5: fall down on the Tu Tuo at Well interception. They

857
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 5: could go with Johnson Edwards undrafted free agent, so you know,

858
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 5: that's a little bit of a decision that they're going

859
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 5: to have to make. But obviously you know Xavi and Howard.

860
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 5: I think his role would have been scaled back anyways

861
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 5: had he not retired midweek. But now with that, I'd

862
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 5: assume black Men and then you know, kind of wait

863
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 5: and see. I think Jalen Jones is the best option

864
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 5: on the roster, but he unfortunately has dealt with the

865
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 5: hamstring issue now a couple of different times year, and

866
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 5: he's probably not going to be back. He's stilling into

867
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 5: your reserve. He can't play this week, I don't know

868
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 5: the year, probably can out of a couple weeks before

869
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,959
Speaker 5: his return. So yeah, my best guess at Sunday would

870
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 5: be kind of the three man corner group Mooney Ward,

871
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 5: Mike Kilden for sure, and then a little bit of

872
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 5: the debate there and what you do the third corner.

873
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 3: But I'd say the Kayle Blackman.

874
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: You know, I thought, and you correct me if you are,

875
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: you know, tell me if you disagree. I thought Hilton

876
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: for a guy that was a late edition and you know,

877
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: obviously as somebody that knows lou Anarumo and that defense

878
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 1: coming from Cincinnati, But you know, did he jump off

879
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: the page at meet? No, But considering what was asked

880
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, I thought he was sufficient. I thought

881
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: he was fine, to be honest with you. Now, does

882
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: that mean he can do an elevated role or more reps?

883
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. But overall, how would you analyze what

884
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: we've seen so far?

885
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's probably a good way to describe it.

886
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously had the huge play on the blitz

887
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 5: the fourth fumble there.

888
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: I know, I kind of thought Kevin. I'll be honest,

889
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: and I know that he got in there, and but

890
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: it almost looked to me like the and yes, Hilton

891
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: had to be there for this to happen, But as

892
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: I watched it a second time, I thought, did he

893
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: actually make contact or was the back spinning and it

894
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: was the inertia of his spin that caused him to

895
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: lose the ball. Either way, though, Yeah, he was there, right,

896
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: I mean, he was.

897
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 3: There right right.

898
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 5: Uh you know, you know, as far as him in coverage,

899
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 5: I don't think we saw it like a ton of reps.

900
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 5: So you know, a little bit wait and see. Now

901
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 5: it's different with him and Xavier Howard. He actually played

902
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 5: football last year, so you know, maybe I don't have

903
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 5: as much of a wait, like.

904
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 3: What's what's in the tank for this dude?

905
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 5: And you know, for me, the biggest issue with Howard

906
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 5: wasn't that you gave him the tryst that the many

907
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 5: he walked in the door, he handed him the keys

908
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 5: to the starting lineup.

909
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 3: It's like, don't you want to see where this dude at?

910
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 5: I mean, he didn't play football last year, So yeah,

911
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 5: I again, I think Hilton was fine. But you know,

912
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 5: Kenny Moore, the second, and not that you're saying this, Jake,

913
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 5: but I just think people underappreciate him still. And you know,

914
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 5: I think I told you guys last week entering last

915
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 5: week's game. In the games at Kenny's missed in the

916
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 5: last few years, Colts have been given up thirty three

917
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 5: points per game with him out of the line.

918
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 3: I've bean not lasting goes twenty seven.

919
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 5: But I just think even when he's not making plays

920
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 5: like picking off cam Ward and taking them back for

921
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 5: a touchdown, I think there's so many plays where he's

922
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 5: just in the right spot and you just kind of

923
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 5: take that for granted over the course of sixty minutes.

924
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: You know, Kevin Bowen is our guest, Kevin the defensively

925
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: speaking against the Raiders, one of the things that is

926
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: obviously going to be and I think there's a blueprint here.

927
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: Brock Bauers is an important and the Raiders are starting

928
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: to run the football more. I mean, Genti's you know,

929
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: they're starting to find ways to kind of get him going.

930
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: But so much of the Raiders offense I think is

931
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: centered around brock Bauers, even if they're not getting him

932
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: the ball, rather just using him as a decoy. Is

933
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: is good enough in terms of what he can bring

934
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: to the table, but he also is dinged up right.

935
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 1: How much does that change do you think what Anna

936
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: Remo tries to schematically come up with for the Raiders.

937
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a good point, And honestly, I

938
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 3: don't know if it'll happen during your show, but certainly

939
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 3: during John's show, he might.

940
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 5: Have some news on the Raiders injury report. So Bowers,

941
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 5: like you said, has deal with the knee injury really

942
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 5: all year long. He was limited Wednesday, didn't practice yesterday,

943
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 5: so you know, is that midweek maintenance for a guy

944
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 5: that's clearly dealing with something?

945
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: Is it more than that that.

946
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 5: Would be something to keep an EyeT and Ma's crosby

947
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 5: their stud defensive end.

948
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 3: It didn't practice either, and.

949
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 5: You know he's probably owned the right to have his

950
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 5: veteran rest day, but that's not something he does.

951
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 3: It's the first time he's actually an age report all year.

952
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 3: So you know, we'd.

953
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 5: Obviously have some news items here from a you know,

954
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 5: injury standpoint on a Friday, but you know they definitely

955
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 5: have a couple out there. So yeah, I mean Bowers

956
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 5: is huge, especially with you know, Geno Smith needs to

957
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 5: get going, and you would think, you know, some simple

958
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 5: throws to an elite tight end would help you kind

959
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 5: of get back into that rhythm there.

960
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 3: So that's a huge storyline here. As we said here

961
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 3: on this Friday.

962
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: You know, Geno Smith is and I like Geno Smith,

963
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: and he's had moments where you know, he has certainly

964
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: been to use the Mike Hilton word that I used,

965
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: a sufficient quarterback. I don't know that Geno Smith anybody

966
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: looks at him and goes, this guy is, you know,

967
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: but he's been a good player, and now that he

968
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: is with the Raiders, there was part of me, Kevin

969
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: that thought to myself, well, you know, you're kind of

970
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 1: starting from scratch there, and then I'll be honest with you,

971
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: you forget it was Pete Carroll that was the one

972
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: that kind of reawakened him anyway to begin with. Right,

973
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 1: So one would assume that the pieces are in place

974
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: there for this to kind of get going, and maybe

975
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: they simply need the running game to get that going

976
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 1: for him. I know that we're not weekly covering the Raiders,

977
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 1: but for this week it is of note. But Genty

978
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: is a guy that in the beginning of the year,

979
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: we didn't see a lot from and now all of

980
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: a sudden it's kind of uncorked. How big a balancing

981
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: challenge do you think it's going to be for the

982
00:44:59,000 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 1: Colts defense?

983
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a good point. And I'd kind

984
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 5: of forgotten this, Jake, I didn't really Shane Stiken actually

985
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 5: had a year with Geno Smith, you know, the old

986
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 5: NFL cycle. I guess everybody's with everybody at some point.

987
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 5: But Shane spoke super highly of him earlier this week,

988
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 5: so you know, as far as the Raiders are concerned, Yeah,

989
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 5: Gens finally got going last week. I think they've kind

990
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 5: of been waiting for him to, you know, really really

991
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 5: get going. Ripped off a big one, and you know,

992
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 5: if you look at this game on Sunday, for me,

993
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 5: so much of it is about getting the lead early,

994
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 5: which I know is captain obvious, but.

995
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 3: Think about their personnel.

996
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 5: You know, when you think about gen t it's he's

997
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 5: done a great jalbum, breaking taps so far in his

998
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 5: NFL career, and they're they are without their best offensive lineman,

999
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 5: Colton Miller at left tackle. So if you can get

1000
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 5: a lead early, that limits how much tackling you got

1001
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 5: to do on gens in the third and fourth quarter

1002
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 5: where we've obviously seen right here Jonathan Taylor rip off

1003
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 5: huge runs and then of course if you're more obvious

1004
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 5: passing situations, that's a backup left tackle having to hold up.

1005
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:04,959
Speaker 3: And last he lost.

1006
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 5: It was really good last week, So you know, for me,

1007
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 5: you know, this is the Gus Bradley era. I think

1008
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 5: would be a little nervous. So boy, is you know,

1009
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 5: going to get into a rhythm here with some simple

1010
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 5: completions early in games and then are they going to

1011
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 5: kind of stay in it on the scoreboard. But if

1012
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 5: you can jump on them early, then I think you

1013
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 5: start to question that Gino's lack of confidence all of that,

1014
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 5: because Pete Carroll's already fielding in questions about, hey, are

1015
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 5: you looking at Kenny Pickett, which you know might sound

1016
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 5: crazy to some people, but that's how much Gino has

1017
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 5: struggled this season.

1018
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: Eddie, you know what we say about Kenny Pickett right wind,

1019
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: he's got his little hands out there. Yes, that's Kenny Pigott.

1020
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: Vin I think I was doing the morning show with

1021
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: you when he was going through the draft cycle, and

1022
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: I don't know why it is. Maybe it's just some

1023
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 1: weird seventh grade guy mentality of mine, but I would

1024
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: not want the entire world to know that I have

1025
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:51,240
Speaker 1: tiny hands.

1026
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm shocked to fifty three year old is still

1027
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 5: using that bit.

1028
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: What it was? I mean it was it was fifty

1029
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: year old you were dealing with. I mean, did you

1030
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: really think things were going to change in three years?

1031
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 5: I don't know. I thought after that big birthday party,

1032
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 5: you know, somehow, some way he was showing out some maturity.

1033
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 3: But good to see you, heavan, Thank you.

1034
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 1: By the way, Chargers is where Shane stiken had Gino

1035
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: Smith right when he was his second stint with the Chargers.

1036
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: Shane Stikeen was a quarterbacks coach when Gino Smith was

1037
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: there for a cup of coffee. In case anybody was

1038
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: curious on that, Kevin bow and our guest, Kevin curious

1039
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: of this from your standpoint, give me the area of

1040
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: the Colts so far that you still aren't sold, either

1041
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: in a good or bad way. In other words, maybe

1042
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: an area where they've struggled, where you're saying, yeah, but

1043
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: that's kind of concern to me that that simply was

1044
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: matchup stuff, or an area where they've looked really good,

1045
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: where you're still not fully ready to make the down payment.

1046
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 5: You know, the pass rush last week I thought was

1047
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 5: really good.

1048
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 3: And that's against the guy that gets it a lot quick.

1049
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 5: I know Stafford doesn't move a whole lot, but uh,

1050
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 5: you know, is that sustainable?

1051
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 2: Again?

1052
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 5: Last tu was really good last week? You know, is

1053
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 5: that going to be the case continually moving forward? I

1054
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 5: think I'd probably go there. You know, Daniel Jones has

1055
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 5: been outstanding. I mean, hell, you know, if you could

1056
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 5: imagine the first four weeks of the season looking like

1057
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 5: this and told me that in August, I always said,

1058
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 5: no chance. You know, as more film I guess is

1059
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 5: on Daniel Jones in a Colts uniform.

1060
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 3: Is that still the case? You know?

1061
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 5: And just in general, I think, and I'd say this

1062
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 5: for any NFL year. You know, it's just like, all right,

1063
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 5: there's the same team.

1064
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 3: Is the same team there. When Halloween rulls around, it's

1065
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: the same team there.

1066
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 5: And Thanksgiving rules around, It's the same team there at

1067
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 5: the new year, you know, I.

1068
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 3: Mean, NFL seasons are long.

1069
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, you know, if you would have said, hey,

1070
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 5: the Colts are going to win the Super Bowl in

1071
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 5: two thousand and six, the Monday after the Jacksonville game.

1072
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 5: You know, people would have called you an idiot based

1073
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 5: off where that run defense was. And then all of

1074
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 5: a sudden, Rob Morris this and you know, Bob Sanders that,

1075
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 5: and they're shutting down Larry Johnson and the rest is

1076
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 5: history on that playoff run. So I just think the

1077
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 5: grind of the season, you know, things kind of naturally arise,

1078
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,760
Speaker 5: and but yeah, those would be a couple of items.

1079
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,439
Speaker 5: And then you know, maybe corner depths. You know, again,

1080
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 5: just because Xamy Howard's gone doesn't mean that I cures all.

1081
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 5: It just means you're trying different people in that spot there.

1082
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: So that would be another, you know, one of the things, Kevin,

1083
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: let me bring something up that I found interesting. I

1084
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: think it was earlier this week. Maybe it was last year,

1085
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: but I think it was earlier this week. I know

1086
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: it was a week go today. Sorry, I had on

1087
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: Jeff George. And the reason I did is because Jeff

1088
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: George is a guy that, you know, never really got

1089
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: his footing in stop number one. It was here for

1090
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: the Colts, and then when he went to Atlanta, you know,

1091
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: instantly seemingly, you know, He's strown for four thousand yards

1092
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: and everything just kind of came together. So I wanted

1093
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: to know what the difference was from stop one to

1094
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: stop two. And one of the things that he pointed

1095
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,919
Speaker 1: out was, look, it was really hard as a young

1096
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: quarterback to go into a situ suation on a veteran

1097
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: team knowing that guys are looking at me and I'm

1098
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: supposed to be a leader. But yet, how am I

1099
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: supposed to tell a thirty one year old guy as

1100
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: a twenty one year old kid that this is what

1101
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: I want him to do and this is how I'm

1102
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: going to lead that guy. And it seems to me

1103
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: like Daniel Jones is one coming here that just the

1104
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: experience and what he went through in New York. He

1105
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: doesn't strike me as an overly vociferous guy to his teammates,

1106
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: but just by the example of coming in and having

1107
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: to earn it that over the course of time that

1108
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: has developed a trust amongst his teammates and now there

1109
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: is a respect there that allows him to naturally be

1110
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: a leader. You're closer inside the locker room than I.

1111
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: Is that a fair observation?

1112
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, I think you're onto something, and I think

1113
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 5: there's a level of respect and just watching how he

1114
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 5: works from guys within the locker room. And then I know,

1115
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 5: if you guys played the clip we played on our

1116
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 5: show might be called the Saquon Barkley audio a couple

1117
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 5: of weeks back, just like how happy he's been watching

1118
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 5: Daniel Jones. I mean, imagine that, like you don't know

1119
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 5: Daniel Jones at all, and all of a sudden you

1120
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 5: see Saquon Barkley, one of the best players in the NFL,

1121
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 5: start gushing about him, Like to me, that would be

1122
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 5: like damn. I mean, things went really bad in New

1123
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 5: York and this guy, I mean he's like he's talking

1124
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 5: about him like he's a son. So you know, I

1125
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 5: think you don't hear you know New York, he wasn't

1126
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 5: the problem, I guess is the easiest way to be Well.

1127
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: We're starting to find that out more right, you know

1128
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 1: what I mean.

1129
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 5: Sure with the Giants, but like again, hearing those comments

1130
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 5: is not just you know, kind of throw away line.

1131
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 5: Take one bark and he's like, no, let me go

1132
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 5: out of my way and gush about this dude for

1133
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 5: whatever two minutes. So I think all of that probably

1134
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 5: is at play here.

1135
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 1: Too, and then along those lines, Eddie and I were

1136
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: talking about this earlier, and that's the story and the

1137
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,959
Speaker 1: kind of the saga of Ady Mitchell and I've gone

1138
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 1: back and forth on this. Kevin Eddie asked me this question,

1139
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 1: if you were Shane Steikin or you were Chris Ballard,

1140
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:07,439
Speaker 1: how do you handle the ad Mitchell situation? So with

1141
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: that question, I'll put that to you, how would you

1142
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: handle it if you're Shane Steikin.

1143
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 5: Well, I think the Alex Pearson injury changed everything. You know,

1144
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 5: I'm under the impression that it was heading towards an

1145
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 5: active week for him and then all of a sudden

1146
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 5: with Pierce, you can't really do that just given the

1147
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 5: availability of your white out. So I expect Mitchell to

1148
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 5: dress now. I'm not sitting here acting like he's going

1149
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 5: to play a lot, you know. I think the old

1150
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 5: T word who do you trust? And I think for

1151
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 5: a week there's gonna be a little bit of a

1152
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 5: punishment for that. Again, maybe not to the extreme that

1153
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 5: they could have given Pierce the situation, but I would

1154
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 5: think Ashton Dolan will honestly take on more of that

1155
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 5: role than than Mitchell. So that's how you know, when

1156
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 5: you here Shane Stiken talk about Aid Mitchell this week,

1157
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 5: even today in the press conference, you'll ask them, given

1158
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 5: the Pierce situation, like we'ry out with Adi Mitchell, we're

1159
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,959
Speaker 5: working through that still, I mean and again, and Shane

1160
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 5: Syke and Lingo. That I think is, you know, pretty

1161
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 5: evident that he clearly is super displeased with what happened

1162
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 5: on Sunday and felt like some accountability needed to be there.

1163
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 5: So again, I think the plan has probably changed a

1164
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 5: little bit just given Pierce, the situation and the other injuries.

1165
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 5: I should add they're not in a spot right now.

1166
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 5: You know, they ruled out four guys today. That's easily

1167
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 5: the biggest number they've ruled out all season long. They

1168
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 5: need Mike Hilton to be called up from the practice

1169
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,720
Speaker 5: squad to replace Kenny Moore, and then with no Tyler Goodson,

1170
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 5: they need to add another running back. I would assume

1171
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 5: that's a Mere Abdullah, the former. I think he's a

1172
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 5: second round pick back in the day. So right there,

1173
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 5: those are your two practice squad call ups for this week.

1174
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 5: So you can't really unless I'm missing something, they can

1175
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 5: make a office spot, but I don't see them adding

1176
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 5: a white out, I guess is what I'm getting at here.

1177
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 5: So again I think plans have changed for how they

1178
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 5: wanted to maybe punish ad Mitchell by the way, and

1179
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 5: I could be wrong here, but on the when you're oh,

1180
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 5: you know what, maybe I completely missed this.

1181
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: Is he on the active or did I missed the

1182
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: the transaction of it because I think he played earlier

1183
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: this year. If I'm not mistaken, your liss is Bentley

1184
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: the fourth he is? Is he no longer on the

1185
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:32,720
Speaker 1: practice squad?

1186
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 3: He is?

1187
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1188
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 5: I mean they could go there, and yeah, you're correct,

1189
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,240
Speaker 5: he did play week one of it right when Goodson

1190
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 5: was originally out, So yes, they could go with Bentley,

1191
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 5: they could go with Abdullah, but I think they're going

1192
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 5: with a Doulah, probably because they heard your impression too

1193
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 5: much and they.

1194
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 3: Didn't hear it again.

1195
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 7: Par for the course with me, Kevin, why do you

1196
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,919
Speaker 7: feel like a punishment is necessarily for Ady Mitchell? Because

1197
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 7: I said, as I said here, I think about it.

1198
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 7: I was like, look, he's already owned up to it,

1199
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 7: he's apologized in front of the team. I understand there

1200
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 7: has to be some level of accountability, but at the

1201
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 7: same time, you want to see Harry response, because this

1202
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 7: is easily the most adversity he's faced as a pro.

1203
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 7: I'm in the camp of I want to see him

1204
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 7: still out there in the same really was last week,

1205
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 7: to see if he can respond and if not in

1206
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 7: the early goings, then you make that move to bencham

1207
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 7: and then you go to.

1208
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: Ashton doing Yeah.

1209
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 3: I just don't think he's earned that.

1210
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 5: Frankly, I think Jonathan Taylor and ad Mitchell are two

1211
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 5: very different examples. And I can't stress enough that I

1212
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 5: think Shane Steiken emphasize this to the nth degree. And

1213
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 5: when you have a guy make that mistake almost immediately

1214
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 5: after you've emphasized that as a coaching staff, then you

1215
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 5: got to do something I think a little bit further

1216
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 5: than what you were doing. So again I checked him

1217
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 5: to dress. But I think the Alex Peir situation has

1218
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:50,959
Speaker 5: just changed it. And even last week in the game,

1219
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 5: you know he makes that play and whatever that was

1220
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 5: early third quarter, the next time he shows up in

1221
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 5: the box scores the holding penalty, not like he showed

1222
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 5: up and made a play on the next series, or

1223
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 5: like the next time he made an impact on the game.

1224
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 5: He made an awful impact on the game, and I

1225
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 5: think that really really bothered the coaching staff as well.

1226
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 5: So again, I think the plan was for probably in

1227
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 5: a one week situation, but you know, Pierce having this

1228
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 5: setback this morning has probably all changed it from hey,

1229
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 5: maybe we could have them then active to all right,

1230
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 5: now we need to dress them. But still I think

1231
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 5: it's going to be a little bit more ash and

1232
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 5: doing in that role.

1233
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: You know, I said this earlier, Kevin, give me your

1234
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 1: thoughts on this. If I'm Shane Steike and my answer

1235
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: on it is this, and you critique this or tell

1236
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: me just your feel on it. With the Ady Mitchell situation,

1237
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: if I'm Shane Steike and I look at it and

1238
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: I go, look, this guy had red flags coming out.

1239
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: We knew that we've been waiting for him to get going.

1240
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: He made He did make a great play, even though

1241
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: I think even he was on that ball was in

1242
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 1: his arms. But he made two mistakes, very very costly mistakes.

1243
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: And if I'm a coach, it would peeve me. But

1244
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: if I'm a coach, this is also a test of

1245
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: what I've been preaching, and that is that we create culture.

1246
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: Every franchise says this, Every team says this, we create

1247
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: a culture here, we have good guys in that locker room,

1248
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,959
Speaker 1: we have leaders. At some point, you've got to test

1249
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: your leaders and you've got to say, I'm gonna let

1250
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: the den, I'm gonna let the pack here take care

1251
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: of the errant kitten. I'm gonna let them do it.

1252
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: And that's as a as a coach, I have to

1253
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: trust that I've created the right atmosphere where these things

1254
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:45,439
Speaker 1: can internally take care of themselves on my off base

1255
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: there And do they have that yet?

1256
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a good point.

1257
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 2: I guess.

1258
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 3: I don't know to the last part.

1259
00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 5: You know, I'm always torn on like, Okay, you know, culture, leadership, accountability,

1260
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 5: all these buzzwords we hear, and then like how do

1261
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 5: you define that? You know, this out has made a

1262
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 5: huge emphasis of you know, I want a lot of

1263
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 5: individually like high character guys. I think for the most part, however,

1264
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 5: you define character, whether it's work asthic, whether it's you know,

1265
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 5: good in the community, Like yeah, I think the Colts

1266
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 5: probably have a lot of that. But it's like, okay,

1267
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 5: then you know, if they have all these guys that

1268
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 5: are self motivated, and then you know why late in

1269
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 5: the season when these bigger games arise in the schedule,

1270
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 5: do they not deliver to that to that degree? You know,

1271
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 5: when you think about the word accountability, something I asked

1272
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 5: Shane on Wednesday was just this, Okay, when does accountability

1273
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 5: stop at words and when do you feel the need

1274
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 5: for it to go to action.

1275
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 3: The words would be Ady.

1276
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 5: Mitchell talking in front of the team on Monday. The

1277
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 5: action would be Anthony Richardson getting benched. And I think

1278
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 5: that's difficult. Like to Eddie's point, I get that, Like

1279
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 5: you know, as a coach, do you send a message

1280
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 5: and say, hey, we're coming right back to you, like

1281
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 5: you know last time the Rams they went right back

1282
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 5: to Kien Williams after the fumble.

1283
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 3: But again, Karen Williams.

1284
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,439
Speaker 5: Has probably earned the right for that. Jonathan Taylor has

1285
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 5: earned the right. Like to me, it's not apples to

1286
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 5: apples Ady Mitchell. What has he done in the NFL

1287
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 5: for him to all of a sudden go right back

1288
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 5: out there last year? He wasn't trustworthy either in college

1289
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 5: to a point, Jake, he had some great highs and

1290
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 5: then a lot of inconsistency. So I think defining accountability

1291
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 5: and how far you take it as a coach would

1292
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 5: be a really difficult thing, and this week, could say

1293
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 5: even more difficult because all of a sudden, you popped

1294
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 5: up on the final practice day of the week and

1295
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 5: a receiver you thought was gonna play in the game

1296
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 5: is no longer playing in that game and Alex Pearce.

1297
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 5: So yeah, I don't think there was an easy answer.

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Speaker 1: When does Max Bowen make his pick? Usually he has

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Speaker 1: done that by the time you come on with us,

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 5: And this week I've been uh yeah, I mean, I

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Speaker 5: guess I've been lazy.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why.

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Speaker 5: All of a sudden, I just got I just looked

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Speaker 5: at my Raiders helmet and thought.

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Speaker 3: Oh my, we still need to do a pick. Beautiful

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Speaker 3: looking helmet.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you can't blame him if he

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Speaker 1: goes with the Raiders helmet, can you No?

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Speaker 5: And I was surprised he went Rams last week. He's

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Speaker 5: won three in a row, so he's hot, and uh,

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Speaker 5: we'll see if he can stretch the five here. But

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Speaker 5: that rate, you know, the silver and the black and

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Speaker 5: and the look of it. I don't know if that's intimidating.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if he's gonna think it's a little

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Speaker 5: HALLOWEENI and maybe that would you know, stray him? So

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Speaker 5: the cole Tummet's all, I'll be very curious to see

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Speaker 5: what he does here.

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Speaker 1: If you had to pick a color design, like if

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Speaker 1: you were the owner of an expansion franchise, I've asked

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Speaker 1: this question to people a lot, But what would your

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Speaker 1: color scheme be?

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Speaker 3: Kevin?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Boy?

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Speaker 5: Am I an NFL team?

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Speaker 3: Boy?

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Speaker 1: That's a good question. Yeah, we'll go NFL. And you're

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Speaker 1: allowed three, you know, obviously to three colors, like one

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Speaker 1: accentuating color and then two primary colors.

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Speaker 5: Well, my my color palette is. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 5: if you ask me, hey, what makes orange? What made

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Speaker 5: you know?

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Speaker 3: You know what's primary?

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Speaker 5: I mean I got a better chance of knowing Mandarin.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, no, I'm saying. I'm saying I don't mean primary

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Speaker 1: meaning like you know Royd Bibbs. I mean like you

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Speaker 1: have to have two main colors of Team Bowen, and

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Speaker 1: then you're allowed to have a third one that just,

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Speaker 1: you know, like just the complimentary color.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I love, I'm gonna give you. I want the

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Speaker 5: Chargers powder blue. I'm gonna steal from other people. I

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Speaker 5: want the Chargers powder blue. I want Tampa Bay's cream

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Speaker 5: sickle and I want whatever the old Jets green used

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Speaker 5: to be. Well three colors that I'm gonna pick.

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Speaker 1: That you your team will actually look like someone puked

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Speaker 1: on them. But that's cool though, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you never know we're gonna be Oregon from

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Speaker 5: ten years ago. You never know what we're gonna wear.

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Speaker 1: That's right, fair enough.

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Speaker 5: I believe this week I think Seahawks Bucks is like

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Speaker 5: one of the best games of the week.

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Speaker 3: I think they're both going through.

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Speaker 1: That is I'm telling you right now. I don't even

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Speaker 1: know if I can say this on the air, but

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Speaker 1: like that, to me, if the Seahawks are going with

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Speaker 1: their late seventies early eighties uniforms with the silver helmets,

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Speaker 1: and the Bucks are going with the cream sickles, that

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Speaker 1: is to me visual football orgy. That's what that is,

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Speaker 1: your sports arassal. Yes, yes, I'm glad.

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Speaker 5: I'm glad John's at Binkley's today because that seat is

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Speaker 5: not one I want to sit in for a few hours.

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Speaker 1: That's right, all right, Kevin, enjoy the weekend, and we'll

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Speaker 1: be listening at seven o'clock on Monday for a recap

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Speaker 1: of it all Hi Boys see right. Kevin Bowen joining

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Speaker 1: us on the program,