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Speaker 2: And now I'm in Nigel Joe Off the Rails with

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Speaker 2: Rob A. Yeah, my name is Nigel Chasin him is

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Speaker 2: here also joining us live in studio. Rob Kendall from

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Speaker 2: The Kendall and Casey Show. Here to go off the Rails, Rob,

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Speaker 2: how are you great?

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Speaker 1: Thanks as always to our segment sponsored garage Doors of Indianapol.

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Speaker 2: Let me see this how this works? Because I was

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Speaker 2: gone Friday. I think all this stuff started Friday with

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Speaker 2: the redistricting and special session. So our governor calls the

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Speaker 3: I think you got it? Did I break that down?

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Speaker 2: And? Hell?

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Speaker 3: What are we gonna talk about for the next twelve minutes?

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Speaker 1: I mean Broun has no juice. They think he's a joke.

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Speaker 2: You don't The governor says, no, we're doing this, and

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Speaker 1: What part about He's a joke? They don't like him

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Speaker 1: Look, this goes all the way back to Mitch Daniels.

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Speaker 1: Because the Republican Party for years has been hijacked by

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Speaker 1: Rod Bray's an ass. He screwed us on property taxes,

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Speaker 2: What are you gonna think next year after the midterms

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Speaker 2: that's what we already have. The Republicans never followed therom.

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Speaker 2: I'm so so sick of the Republicans lying. I'm so

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Speaker 2: you have to vote for them, not because of anything

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Speaker 3: But you don't want this, now, do you?

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Speaker 1: You have to tolerate us, You have to deal with

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Speaker 1: I don't care at all. I'm so sick of being

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Speaker 3: I get what you're saying, but you're not stuck with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but again it's just come back to what's it

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Speaker 3: Here's the party. I'm sorry like that, and you sound

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Speaker 3: What I cannot tolerate is people who lie to me.

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Speaker 3: Indiana Republican stint tough against Donald Trump. You and Adam

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Speaker 1: And look my reasons differently, Right, Like I the Republicans

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Speaker 1: so many times. And I recognize until they get full

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Speaker 1: and eventually people will say, I've had enough for this.

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Speaker 1: What's come out of this?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: I don't thin they're gonna successful, but how many people

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Speaker 1: so for a Senate seat. Oh okay, So getting screwed

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Speaker 1: the corruption in the IEEDC.

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Speaker 3: That's how can do it for you. But the redistrict.

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Speaker 1: Whatever, as long as it gets people to engage and

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Speaker 3: Do you talk about this kind of stuff at the

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Speaker 3: Thanksgiving table? Like we're not going to have shows next week?

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Speaker 3: Nige and I are both off, and there's holiday programming

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Speaker 1: So here's how it works. We go to my wife's

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Speaker 2: I find when I go to Christmas or Thanksgiving or

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they want to engage.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they like to engage. Now I don't talk to

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Speaker 3: Come, what do of those family members want to engage? Huh?

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Speaker 3: One of those family members are like, hey, radio boy,

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Speaker 3: what do you think about the dysfunction between your governor

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Speaker 3: I'll let them have it. Good, I'll let them have it.

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Speaker 2: Rob.

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Speaker 3: I asked you this on the sports betting podcast we

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Speaker 3: did earlier. Now that you guys have a baby, right,

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Speaker 3: you've got the leverage. So now if you want, you

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Speaker 3: but that means you guys also have to be the

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Speaker 1: It's so much easier to go to my wife's grandmother's

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Speaker 3: Last thing here before we let you go. Rob Kendall

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: When was the last time this happened? Rang eighteen thirty two? Now,

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Speaker 3: how did you become a Bears fan? Is this because

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Speaker 1: My grandfather his aunt, so he was a terre hate lifer.

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Speaker 1: So it was just like the Chicago Orbit. Going back

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Speaker 3: So did you become a Bulls fan? No?

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Speaker 1: No, we were Celtics face because Larry Bird. My parents

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Speaker 3: What's the Thanksgiving plans? Are you working next week or

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Speaker 1: I'll see you guys in a week. I'm not any

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Speaker 1: I almost sit there and quiet and say, what the

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Speaker 1: hell is this?

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Speaker 3: Is it? Podcast out?

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Speaker 2: By the way? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Podcast out? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Did you? It's next door? Get it wherever you get

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Speaker 1: your podcasts? And uh, man, you guys are awesome. You

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Speaker 1: the show.

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Speaker 3: He's off the rails. That's Rob Kendall. This is the

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Speaker 3: Hammer and Nigel Show. Stay tuned. I you Basketball next