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Speaker 1: on ninety three five and one oh seven five the Fan.

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Speaker 2: Good Tuesday morning, Welcome into the Fan Morning Show.

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Speaker 1: Rick Carlisle coming your way at eight o'clock. The guys

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Speaker 1: will have a conversation with him about the upcoming NBA season.

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Speaker 1: We'll check out some of the texts that people are

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Speaker 1: sending in on this Tuesday morning. This is an anonymous one.

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Speaker 1: I like this though, for both of you guys. Just

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Speaker 1: had an epiphany I haven't heard discussed. Why don't we

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Speaker 1: trade Alec Pearson, maybe either Quitty Pay or a lot

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Speaker 1: to as well, for a top five or ten edge

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Speaker 1: rusher that could be available. James, you wrote an article

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Speaker 1: in The Athletic today about going all in if you're

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Speaker 1: the cults. Are we starting to look or think about

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Speaker 1: things like that as we move forward?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that article was from yesterday, but it's something I

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Speaker 3: definitely want to revisit more this week, especially being two

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Speaker 3: weeks away from the trade headline. But I will say

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Speaker 3: this to that question, I immediately went deaf as soon as

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Speaker 3: you said Alec Pierce.

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Speaker 4: He's not going anywhere. He is arguably their best receiver

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Speaker 4: this year.

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Speaker 3: So I do think there is some players Adie Mitchell

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Speaker 3: or somebody else you can look at two package to

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Speaker 3: try to go get someone. But also if you're going

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Speaker 3: to get edge rusher at the deadline, I also don't

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Speaker 3: think it'll be like a top five guy at that

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Speaker 3: want to try to get somebody who's, you know, mid

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Speaker 3: tier proven. Trey Henderson is somebody that obviously comes to

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Speaker 3: mind because he's an expiring contract. But I do think

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Speaker 3: that that big win for the Bengals last week maybe

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Speaker 3: changed things for their future at the deadline. So that's

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Speaker 3: kind of where I'm at with it. But Alec Pierce trade,

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Speaker 3: Oh no, absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: The question remains though, do you think Chris Ballard would

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Speaker 1: possibly do something coming off an offseason where he was

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Speaker 1: very aggressive and here there are six and one scored

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Speaker 1: more points than anybody in the league. But defense seems

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Speaker 1: to be a problem. If you're looking long term and

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Speaker 1: you have big aspirations.

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Speaker 4: What do you think that What do you think.

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Speaker 1: Happens, especially with new ownership.

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Speaker 2: Does it change the entire dynamic? Yeah, it's a great question.

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Speaker 2: I mean I think they should you know, Ballard obviously

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Speaker 2: changed his tune you know, back in free agency, very

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Speaker 2: much needed, and I think you're reaping some of the

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Speaker 2: benefits of that. Now. This is a little different. You know,

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Speaker 2: you obviously would be partying ways with another draft pick,

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Speaker 2: which you know, for Chris Ballard that's you know, a

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Speaker 2: little bit children like in how he likes to build.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 2: But to your point, Jeff, they've never been in the

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Speaker 2: situation under him, and we know pass rush means a

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Speaker 2: lot to him as well, So I think you should.

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Speaker 2: You know, I probably am with James a little bit

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Speaker 2: more that that trade idea sounds a little bit more

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Speaker 2: Madden Video Gaming to me than anything. I think you

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Speaker 2: got to be realistic and kind of a middle round pick,

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Speaker 2: and you're probably not gonna get some dude that has,

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Speaker 2: you know, a slew of twelve SAX seasons on his resume,

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Speaker 2: But just offer some juice to a group that I

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Speaker 2: think really really needs it right now. If you look

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Speaker 2: at the last month, I want to say, opposing quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: back these last four games, it's the second worst mark

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Speaker 2: to live in reality with you know how the last

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Speaker 2: month has been for this passing defense, and for me,

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Speaker 2: your pass rush can impact that more than coverage you get.

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Speaker 2: Coverage wise, I think you can talk yourself into okay,

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Speaker 2: at your various ward's gonna come back at some point

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Speaker 2: this season. You know, we'll see if Jalen Jones ever happens.

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Speaker 2: I don't see any of those names though necessarily at

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious how much of those big yardage numbers,

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Speaker 1: much of that is chalked up to a couple of

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't put much stock into that at all.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I thought the Chargers were in that game until

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Speaker 3: DeForest Buckner and got that set on their last drive

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Speaker 3: mean the Colts couldn't stop them at all, and in

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Speaker 3: a fourteen point loss. Now give credit where credit is due.

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Speaker 3: The defense forced two turnovers in the red zone. So

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Speaker 3: Grover Stewart and Nick Cross deserve a ton of praise

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Speaker 3: for that because ultimately, I think in this league turnovers

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Speaker 3: determined a lot of who wins and who loses. But no,

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Speaker 3: I am not convinced that this was just garbage time. No,

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Speaker 3: these teams are going out here and beating you. And

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Speaker 3: if you look back at the Arizona game, that wasn't

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Speaker 3: garbage time either. They went down the field and nearly

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Speaker 3: So I think they definitely need to be much better

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Speaker 2: James, you bring up the Buckner play plays probably plural.

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Speaker 2: He so good ice the game, so good a play

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Speaker 2: that Jeff, you and I should have mentioned yesterday and

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Speaker 2: it goes the other way, fans are just ripping this player,

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Speaker 2: because I would argue he's the most ripped cult player

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Speaker 2: maybe not named Bady Mitchell. How about thirty yards down

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Speaker 2: the field in coverage Zia Franklin on Lad McConkie on

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Speaker 2: that third and twenty two. That was play number on

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Speaker 2: nineteen of the drive, twenty of the drive. Zara Franklin,

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Speaker 2: ein'ts something out? The dude plays every snap And yes,

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Speaker 2: has this season not been at the level that I

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Speaker 2: think that's fair. But what a big time play. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that is a dream for Justin Herbert. I get my

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Speaker 2: field on a third and a million. I mean that

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Speaker 2: is a you couldn't have asked for a better matchup there.

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Speaker 2: And there's Franklin not panicking, not committee a penalty, looking

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Speaker 2: there one possession game, who knows three thirty to go?

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Speaker 2: Yeah to James's point. One score game, and they might

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Speaker 2: Chargers and the two minute warning. Big time play from

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Speaker 2: Zire Franklin, and really a pretty unique play for a

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Speaker 2: for Zaire, and he just steps up and has a huge,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that you're right. We didn't talk about that

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Speaker 1: a little bit yesterday. And that's a huge play for

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Speaker 1: a guy that has been criticized a lot this year.

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Speaker 2: And it's funny.

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Speaker 1: We'll hear some sound later on today. But I was

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Speaker 1: listening to Shane Steichen on Colts Round Table last night.

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Speaker 1: He kind of seems okay with where the defense and

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Speaker 1: the rush, if the pass rus is at this point

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Speaker 1: in time. He talked about all the pressures they got

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll say this love shaying, but he says a

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Speaker 3: lot of things I would imagine differently behind closed doors.

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Speaker 3: And when is he he ever said anything that is

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Speaker 3: they might upgrade at. I was asking him yesterday about

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Speaker 3: the trade deadline. He gave the typical coach answer, Oh,

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Speaker 3: I'll leave that to the GM. You know, he always

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Speaker 3: going to get better. But yeah, I'm not surprised he

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Speaker 3: said that. But internally I would imagine the conversation between

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Speaker 3: him and lu and Roumo is different.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he occasionally does this where publicly James he downplays things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which he should. I mean I wouldn't go out

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Speaker 3: there like, oh ma am I past re stake.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean I think you can walk a little

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Speaker 2: bit of a line of hey, we need to get

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Speaker 2: better there, you know, something along those lines where you

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Speaker 2: don't have to call individually call out guys. But you'd

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Speaker 2: be naive to think that right now, with the Colts

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Speaker 2: are getting defensively from that area, is playoff worthy or

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Speaker 2: however you want to view it. As you play some

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Speaker 2: better quarterbacks on the schedule, there and actions will speak

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Speaker 2: louder than those words and actions will happen, you know what,

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Speaker 2: two weeks from today or within the next two weeks,

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Speaker 2: I should say, NFL trade deadline fourteen days away.

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Speaker 1: So they've got some time and maybe they look and

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Speaker 1: they see what's going on against Tennessee and maybe they

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Speaker 1: want to see it. Don Look, if there's ever a

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Speaker 1: team to dominate, there's a reason they're a fourteen and

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Speaker 1: a half point favorite. This might be the time to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I feel like we had the conversation last

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Speaker 3: week with the Chargers hits every week.

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Speaker 4: I mean they had.

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Speaker 3: No offensive linemen that were I mean they had down

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Speaker 3: first series of the game, Kevin one of their line

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Speaker 3: went down then, So to not have more pressure on

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Speaker 3: Justin Herbert throughout that game, I think it's a bit concerning. Now,

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Speaker 3: I will say to Forest Buckner was absolutely dominant, but

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Speaker 3: I feel like he's been the only consistent guy who's

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Speaker 3: able to get pressure on the quarterback. And as you

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Speaker 3: look at some of the advanced numbers or just use

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Speaker 3: your general eyes, he gets double more than anybody. And

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Speaker 3: I think you do that because one he's a great player,

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Speaker 3: but two you're not worry about anybody else getting the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: I would like the pass rush to get better.

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Speaker 6: I would like to get better in a hurry, especially

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Speaker 6: with the Week nine opponent coming off. I would like

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Speaker 6: the Colts to tee off on their quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Who I will not name. Who's Week nine? Mark the

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers. What'd you say Sunday Night football? This week?

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Speaker 6: Sunday Night Football is it is going to be the uh.

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Speaker 7: Steelers.

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Speaker 2: That's a dream matchup for you. It's a dream match.

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Speaker 2: We talked about it yesterday. That's the meteor game.

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Speaker 4: For a tie.

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Speaker 6: I've never been more of a mark more the button

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Speaker 6: for the meteorologist. I'm like, do we have any like meteorites,

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Speaker 6: comets coming through? Can we have a dinosaur situation?

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Speaker 2: Happened over that man? Man at least the velociraptor.

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Speaker 1: You realized I had to actually say the names of

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Speaker 1: the teams. He was not going to say the names

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Speaker 1: of those teams.

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Speaker 6: That's a disgusting I mean, it is going to be

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Speaker 6: a hate watch. I'm going to be not rooting for

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Speaker 6: both teams to lose. I don't even want to tie.

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Speaker 6: I just want them to both get losses somehow, no ties.

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Speaker 1: Uh the Steelers. If you're wondering your home underdogs against

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Speaker 1: the Packers right now.

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Speaker 1: But We'll always have him sprinding down the sidelines, though,

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Speaker 1: If that, well, they are only three and four, but

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Speaker 3: It's been a few weeks. Because of the schedule, usually

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Speaker 2: Pacers might need you for some backup PG clock coming

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Speaker 4: Well, I imagine they're trying to win the game, so no,

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Speaker 2: But and just to go over everything, yeah, obviously out

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Speaker 4: That can cuss in that game with how Wave, the

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Speaker 2: They bring in Cameron Payne. They clearly don't like what

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Speaker 3: That's a great question to ask for Carlisle, because I

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Speaker 2: This is crazy too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yesterday was everybody who was making their preseason

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Speaker 1: I can't get past that feeling. I think they're just

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Speaker 3: So you look at what they did last year when

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Speaker 3: it's hard to absorb that. And like you said, you're also,

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Speaker 2: You know, a huge reason why I've been so bullish

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Speaker 2: I feel like they're built depth wise. Since your point, Jeff,

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Speaker 2: And if you just played the game? Is probably what

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Speaker 1: Well, and to drill down on that, the CBS article

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Speaker 2: All the additions are internal hope and growth of Matherin jump.

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Speaker 2: And again I'm still bullish on North of forty. But

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they say their margin for injuries is minimal. There's

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Speaker 1: McConnell will be thirty five when the twenty seven playoffs

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Speaker 1: with a couple of games. They will be a doubleheader

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Speaker 1: on NBC. Was last time we saw prime time outside

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Speaker 2: Is Grady on the call for one of these games.

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Speaker 2: He's with NBC right amongst a couple of other He's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it isn't Michael Jordan doing something? Is that with

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't expect to that, but I'm curious to

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Speaker 3: Like he's the best player ever, so you know, what

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Speaker 4: I mean, we really hear from him.

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Speaker 2: Well, the Pacers raise a Eastern Conference banner Thursday night.

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Speaker 2: Will they do anything Thursday night?

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Speaker 4: That's a good question. I don't know, if you If

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Speaker 4: I attune, they probably should.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to think, and I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I have to trying to picture like the Raptors in

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Speaker 4: my head.

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Speaker 2: I'm literally trying to picture the Raptors. I swear there's

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Speaker 2: an Eastern Conference champions banner, is there not?

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I feel like my mine always, my eyes always goes

447
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Speaker 3: towards the jerseys and like you know, thinking that Nancy

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Speaker 3: Leonard should be up there as well. I would imagine

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Speaker 3: at some point. But yeah, that's a good question. And

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Speaker 3: I don't say this is like a joke either. I

451
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Speaker 3: feel like, if you make it to the conference finals,

452
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Speaker 3: it's fine. He's there, Like, this isn't this is not

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Speaker 3: wild participate exactly? Whatever Mark thought the language was on that?

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Speaker 2: What do you say? What do you think it was

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Speaker 2: on it? Mark said it again. Do you think it

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Speaker 2: said wild card participant? Yes, wild or AFC final.

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Speaker 6: I forget what it said exactly, Yeah, wild card participant

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Speaker 6: or wild card crazy. There's no way it said participant

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Speaker 6: on I have to I have to find it. Took

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Speaker 6: a picture on like six phones ago.

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Speaker 2: That side by side. There's no way you know Addison's

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Speaker 2: soccer ribbons she got from the end of the season.

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Speaker 6: Hey, if you got to I mean you filled some space.

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Speaker 6: He put out whatever he can. I need to find

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Speaker 6: that picture.

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Speaker 2: I'm totally go to the Eastern Conference final. Banner. Wait,

467
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Speaker 2: we got a text here about kin tail and Peter

468
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Speaker 2: bring up the ball, Ben Shephard.

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Speaker 4: You know what I did, like what I saw from Taylor,

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Speaker 4: I like, this.

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Speaker 2: Is the second round pick out of what liberty right. Yes,

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Speaker 2: the analytics guy that you know defied all these crazy

473
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Speaker 2: analytics as a shooter and a dunker in college, and

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Speaker 2: I thought he showed a little bit more that I

475
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Speaker 2: was unfamiliar with this game would be the best way

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Speaker 2: to put it. And I got familiarized pretty quick.

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Speaker 3: And I kind of like what I saw, so KB

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Speaker 3: with the shack refference, I wasn't familiar with your game.

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Speaker 2: Slightly different tone of voice with that.

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Speaker 6: Uh, it was twenty it was twenty fourteen AFC finalist,

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Speaker 6: That's what it said.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, see the finalist part like ah, but but it

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Speaker 3: would be different, this would be you won.

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Speaker 2: You want a conference conference? Yeah, I don't have a

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Speaker 2: problem with it.

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Speaker 1: The top two play by play guys for NBC, although

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Speaker 1: I'm not finding tonight's assignments, Mike Tarka and Noah Eagle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Crawford. I want to say, there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: who that did.

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Speaker 3: Like the whole Amazon thing, and I think it's Grady

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Speaker 3: not a part of that. I think he's a part

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Speaker 3: of the Amazon crew, but I think both.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think by the Grady's got very proud of money.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, the Pacers they got the thunder Thursday,

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Speaker 2: and then they go on the road. The Pacers schedule

497
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Speaker 2: first like seven and is tough. Yeah, and they go

498
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Speaker 2: out here it was like welcome, like a three game

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Speaker 2: road trip right after. And then if I'm not mistaken,

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Speaker 2: I think the Miles Turner return game is early in

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Speaker 2: the sea. I want to say that it's a Monday

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Speaker 2: in November. So yeah, it's a very challenging slate, I

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Speaker 2: think out of the gate all right, A lot to

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Speaker 2: talk about.

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Speaker 1: NBA season kicks off tonight, the Pacers get rolling at

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Speaker 1: home Thursday night. The head coach of the Indiana Pacers,

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Speaker 1: Rick Carlisle, stops by for his Tuesday chat next on

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Speaker 1: ninety three to five and one to seven.

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Speaker 2: Let's head of the Payloffstickers hotline right now, and he

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Speaker 2: is the head coach of the Indiana Pacers joining us.

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Speaker 2: Coach Carlisle, Good morning to you. How are you sure well?

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Speaker 7: How are you?

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Speaker 2: We are wonderful, Thank you again for the time this

514
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Speaker 2: season obviously a ton to get to. Let's start with

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Speaker 2: the news item for those that maybe went to bed

516
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Speaker 2: early last night. Reportedly a two year extension for Aaron E. Smith.

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Speaker 2: It brought it up earlier coach. You know, to me,

518
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Speaker 2: I look back on the playoffs last year and you know,

519
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Speaker 2: his put back dunk against Cleveland Spearhead that comeback obviously,

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Speaker 2: the flurry of threes he hit in MSG to kind

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Speaker 2: of Spearhead that comeback as well. I just think he's

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Speaker 2: such a valuable cog to what you guys are all about.

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Speaker 2: What what has he meant to you? And how have

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Speaker 2: you seen him grow in your time with him here?

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Speaker 5: Well, it's been great to see and be a part of.

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Speaker 5: I think the bottom line is he's a he's a

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Speaker 5: proven starter for us, and uh, you know, the opportunity

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Speaker 5: to extend a guy a couple of years. So now

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Speaker 5: I think he's under contract for four years, including this

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Speaker 5: year that we're headed into. So it's great news for

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Speaker 5: the organization.

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Speaker 7: Certainly.

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Speaker 5: I think he's he's very happy about it, and there's

534
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Speaker 5: been a lot of growth. You know, here's a kid

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Speaker 5: that barely got in the games when he was with

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Speaker 5: the Celtics, and uh, you know, a lot of that

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Speaker 5: had to do with the guys that were ahead of him,

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Speaker 5: a lot of them were great players, et cetera. But

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Speaker 5: this has been an amazing opportunity for him, and he's

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Speaker 5: taken advantage of it and he's really helped us rare cooms.

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Speaker 3: Do you think the success that Aaron Smith has had

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Speaker 3: the change the scenery here in Indiana can have a

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Speaker 3: trickle down effect on other players just seeing like you said,

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Speaker 3: he didn't, you know, perhaps have the opportunity you wanted

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Speaker 3: early on, but kept grinding the way and now he's

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Speaker 3: looked at as one of the best two way players

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Speaker 3: in the league.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think the organization looked at his situation and

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Speaker 5: basically said, this is a guy that any team in

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Speaker 5: the entire league would love to have. He's versatile, he

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Speaker 5: is skilled, he's shooting is you know, we we've seen

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Speaker 5: what he's he's able to be shooting the ball, and

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Speaker 5: it just made too much sense to uh to figure

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Speaker 5: out a way to get this thing done. And yes,

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Speaker 5: I do think that this was one of the things,

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Speaker 5: you know, his development.

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Speaker 7: That has made the.

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Speaker 5: Pacers you know, more of a more of a destination

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Speaker 5: in terms of the conversation of you know, free agency

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Speaker 5: and things like that, and so a lot of a

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Speaker 5: lot of very powerful reasons to get it done, and

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Speaker 5: obviously everyone's very happy.

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Speaker 2: Pages back to practice today, again Thursday night. They will

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Speaker 2: open up the season with the thunder Rick Carlisle with

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Speaker 2: us here on the Payless Slickers hotline coaches of now

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Speaker 2: you know, on paper, you know Andrew Nemhart and then

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Speaker 2: who knows behind him? From a point guard standpoint, do

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Speaker 2: you kind of view this as a by committee approach

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Speaker 2: until TJ. McConnell returns or how are you looking at

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Speaker 2: point guard particularly the depth there heading end of the

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Speaker 2: season opener?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there's gonna be a lot of bi

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Speaker 5: committee stuff going on with the point guard position, with

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Speaker 5: the center commit position, and that's that's okay.

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Speaker 7: I mean there's great opportunity there. We had a we've

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Speaker 7: had a.

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Speaker 5: Three week training camp to look at and evaluate a

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Speaker 5: lot of these guys.

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Speaker 7: But an NBA season is so long, it's six months

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Speaker 7: and three weeks. You learn so things.

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Speaker 5: But you know, certainly as we get into the heat

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Speaker 5: of the year, and you know, the schedule at the

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Speaker 5: beginning of the year.

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Speaker 7: Is no joke.

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Speaker 5: I mean there's just you know, a lot of great teams,

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Speaker 5: a lot of road games. You know, there'll be a

587
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Speaker 5: lot of challenges and under those circumstances you find out

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Speaker 5: even more.

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Speaker 2: I know, he currently is sidelined from an injury standpoint.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he would have been involved in

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Speaker 2: your point guard conversation, but we did see the news

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Speaker 2: yesterday with rookie cam Jones arrests that I believe the

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Speaker 2: preliminary charges were reckless driving resisting law enforcement. Any further

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Speaker 2: info you can provide or just the status on cam

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Speaker 2: Jones here, Yeah, talked.

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Speaker 7: To him yesterday.

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Speaker 5: He came in and he's very very contrite, you know

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Speaker 5: about the situation of being pulled over. You know, this

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Speaker 5: is a kid with exemplary character, going back to his

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Speaker 5: entire career at Marquette. After hearing the details of this,

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Speaker 5: I think, I think in the in the end, this

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Speaker 5: is going to end up being a speeding ticket. You know,

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Speaker 5: a lot a lot of times things that are on

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Speaker 5: the on the police.

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Speaker 7: Blodder are overblown.

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Speaker 5: You know, this is a kid that was was driving,

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Speaker 5: driving a little faster than he should have been, trying

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Speaker 5: to get to his uh, his his workout and rehab thing.

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Speaker 5: He's running a few minutes behind, and so you know,

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Speaker 5: he got pulled over and and uh, you know, the

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Speaker 5: thing ended up, the thing ended up in the in

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Speaker 5: you know, the news, So Uh, I think in the

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Speaker 5: end it's gonna be a speeding ticket probably, And you know,

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Speaker 5: he's going through a thing right now where he's got

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Speaker 5: a back situation that is only gonna heal with time.

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Speaker 5: Time in the hyper bear chamber, can't do can't do

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Speaker 5: too much much moving around. You know, it's a very

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Speaker 5: it's got to be a very difficult thing to go through,

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Speaker 5: particularly given our.

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Speaker 7: Point guard situation for him.

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Speaker 5: And yes, he would have been one of the guys

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Speaker 5: in the conversation, so you know, I said a couple.

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Speaker 7: A few days ago that you know, we would revisit,

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Speaker 7: you know.

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Speaker 5: Conversation about where he's at, probably at November ninth, when

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Speaker 5: we were gonna do the same thing with TJ mcconnelld

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Speaker 5: that'll be one month after TJ's injury, and then we'll

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Speaker 5: see what's on from there. But uh, you know, cams

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Speaker 5: Cam's doing fine, and uh, you know, and this is

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Speaker 5: this is gonna be a blip on the radar screen.

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Speaker 3: Can we have Rick Carl head coach and a pacer

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Speaker 3: is joining us on the Pailslica hot line right now? Rick,

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Speaker 3: speaking of your other rookie guard, Taylor Peter, what's impressed

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Speaker 3: you the most about his ability to adapt to the

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Speaker 3: NBA game, particularly perhaps on the defensive end, is what

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Speaker 3: I've been looking at myself.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he's just you know, this is a this is

638
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Speaker 7: a kid.

639
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 5: Is another Kevin Pritchard home run, you know in the

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Speaker 5: second round. I mean, tough, tough, minded, a little bigger

641
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Speaker 5: than people think, strong, physical.

642
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Speaker 7: NBA skill with his shooting. You know, right now we've

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Speaker 7: got the guy.

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Speaker 5: Taking reps at point guard, which he's never played in

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Speaker 5: his life, you know, up until the last preseason game.

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Speaker 5: But that's the that's kind of the bind wearing right

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Speaker 5: now with t J out, with with Quintin Jackson out

648
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Speaker 5: and with Cam Jones out, So you know, there's a

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Speaker 5: lot of adjusting that's going on from a team standpoint.

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Speaker 5: But but this kid is is resourceful, opportunistic. He's one

651
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Speaker 5: of the best shooters in the country last year, maybe

652
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Speaker 5: it may have even been the leading three point shooting

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Speaker 5: in the country when he's at Liberty last year. So

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Speaker 5: taking advantage of our coortunity here, high character, Our fans

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Speaker 5: love him already, the ones that have seen him in

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Speaker 5: preseason games. Heart playing dude, that's all about the team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly been impressed by him here in the preseason slate.

658
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Speaker 2: It'll start for real coming up Thursday night, Pacers and

659
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Speaker 2: Thunder inside of gamebridge Field. That's right, Carlisle with us

660
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 2: here Tuesday at eight o'clock, coach. I was reading the

661
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 2: they do this annually on NBA dot com, like a

662
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: GM survey, and one of the things I was struck

663
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 2: by by the NBA gms that responded to this was

664
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 2: they asked, you know who runs or which head coach

665
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: runs the best offense in the league. You were the

666
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 2: overwhelming winner of that. I want to say it was

667
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 2: north of fifty percent, and second was like all the

668
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Speaker 2: way down at ten percent on that list just in

669
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Speaker 2: general with your offensive philosophy. I guess where did it start?

670
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Speaker 2: And how do you think maybe that side of the

671
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: ball has evolved for you over the years.

672
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 5: Uh, it probably started when my when my NBA playing

673
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 5: career began in Boston. You know, we we were a

674
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Speaker 5: team that had a lot of great players. You know,

675
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 5: I think four or five Paul of Famers when I

676
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 5: first got there, and then we traded for Bill Walton.

677
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 5: I think he became the fifth or sixth, and so

678
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 5: you know, he had a simple plan offensively. It was

679
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 5: to play through the best players. Uh, we had plays,

680
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 5: but we didn't call a lot of plays. And that's

681
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 5: kind of how the game functions.

682
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Speaker 7: And I told a story. I don't know if I

683
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 7: told on this show or not, but you know.

684
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 5: When I went from Boston to the New York Knicks.

685
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 5: You know, Rick Bettina was the coach of the Knicks

686
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 5: and and Stuve Jackson was one of his assistants.

687
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 7: And you know, these guys.

688
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 5: Were meticulous game planners. You know, they were the best

689
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 5: of the best in terms of detail. And Stup came

690
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 5: to be with you know, three or four paid diagram

691
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 5: sheet pages of actions. He said, what are these calls?

692
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 5: And he had all these different things that were happening.

693
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 7: And I said, uh, I.

694
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Speaker 5: Said, Stude, they're just just playing. I mean, because these

695
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 5: aren't plays. I said, no, they're just they just they

696
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 5: just played the game. This is really a flowing kind

697
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 5: of freelance team. He's like, not, no, that can't be right,

698
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 5: you know. And so anyway, that was and you know,

699
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 5: we were finals three three out of three years.

700
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 7: Won the championship in eighty six, and yeah, I just

701
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 7: became a strong believer.

702
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 5: In that and that kind of player empowerment, et cetera.

703
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 5: And then you know, as I moved on and coaching,

704
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 5: you know, with as an assistant and then a head coach.

705
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 5: You know, I just was a was a believer in

706
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 5: this kind of approach.

707
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 7: And you know I've said this also.

708
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 5: You know, my my background with music, you know, I

709
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 5: you know, I learned how to play the piano and

710
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 5: and and I'm really I'm really drawn to improvisational jazz

711
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 5: because you listen to the same song, and every every

712
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 5: time you listen to it sounds a little different. And

713
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 5: when you get immersed in music, in music a certain way,

714
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 5: that's how you see it. And and that's music has

715
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 5: probably influenced my view of the of the of basketball

716
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,959
Speaker 5: as well. You know, defenses are so sophisticated trying to

717
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 5: figure out how to guard situations, et cetera. You know,

718
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 5: I just always feel like the more we can make

719
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 5: the the game offensively look different every time down, the

720
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 5: more difficult it's going to be for the defense.

721
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 7: And so, you know, all that stuff is has has

722
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 7: influenced me. You know, my my team's in.

723
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 5: Alice, We're we're we're very good flow teams and we

724
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 5: had great players you know, we had we had Newitsky,

725
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 5: we had Kid, we had Jason Terry and and others,

726
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 5: and here, you know, it's been it's been Tyrese, you know,

727
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 5: Pascal and and TJ. McConnell has been a big part

728
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 5: of it. And of course Miles Turner was a part

729
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 5: of it. He's moved on. And so now now we've

730
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 5: got to change this recipe.

731
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 7: To to the to the person that we have available.

732
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 5: So this is gonna look different, and it'll be a

733
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 5: work in progress, you know, on certain on certain levels.

734
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 5: But I want our system to be a really fun

735
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 5: system to play in and for players to feel like

736
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 5: they have real influence on what happens out there.

737
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 7: And so, uh, that's where we're at.

738
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: To that point about your offense, we know a lot

739
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 3: of it will go through Andrew Nimhard in your core four,

740
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 3: But how do you view.

741
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 4: The center position right right now?

742
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 3: And I guess what are you hoping to get out

743
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 3: of the censor of by committee approach?

744
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not even sure who's going to start right

745
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 5: this second. You know, Isaiah Jackson started all four games,

746
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 5: so certainly there's a possibility that he could be the starter.

747
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 5: We've got to figure out, you know, who who fits where,

748
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 5: and there will be there will be challenges with this.

749
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 5: Uh you know, I've I've mentioned this before. I'm sure

750
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 5: if it's been on this show, but you know, I've

751
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 5: had a center bi committee situation one year in Dallas

752
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 5: when we we had a successful year and you know,

753
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 5: it took San Antonio to seven games in the first

754
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 5: round of the year they won at fourteen with with

755
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 5: guys that were, you know, not household names, but they

756
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 5: were guys that were very good at what they did. So,

757
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 5: you know, Sam Dallenbarr was a great shot blocker and defender.

758
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 7: Dwan Blair was a.

759
00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 5: Guy that had great feel and he had a big

760
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 5: boy and he banged was with some of the bigger

761
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 5: centers and he's a great rebounder. And then Brandon Wright

762
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 5: was one of the best rim threats that I've ever

763
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 5: seen in the NBA and certainly ever coached. So it

764
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 5: was it was rare in a game that year and

765
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 5: we're in a playoff game that all three of them

766
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 5: didn't play some minutes.

767
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 7: So I don't know if it's gonna look like that.

768
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 7: You know, we've got.

769
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 5: Isaiah, We've got Jay Huff who we traded for. Who's

770
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 5: who's a stretch big. We've got Tony Bradley, who you

771
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 5: know was a very important player for us last year

772
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 5: in the playoffs, you know, matching up with guys like

773
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 5: Mitchell Robinson and and Jared Allen Young because he's a

774
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 5: great rebounder and has great feel and and James Wiseman

775
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 5: is in the mix too, and Wiseman has done some

776
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 5: very good things in preseasons. So and then and then

777
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 5: we have Obi Toppen, who played you know, a pretty

778
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 5: significant number of minutes at five.

779
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 7: During the regular season as well as the playoffs last year.

780
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 5: So you know, there's a lot of there's a lot

781
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 5: of options there and and so we'll have to see

782
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 5: how it all shakes out. But there's great opportunity and

783
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 5: the guys.

784
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 7: That are working hard, so we'll see what's what.

785
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 3: Again, we have Rick Carlile, Indiana Pacers head coach, joining

786
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 3: us on the Pillow Scars hot line right now. And Rick,

787
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 3: a lot of us have tuned into the Starting five

788
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 3: Netflix documentary on Tyre's Halliburton The Feld the players in

789
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 3: the NBA. I know you mentioned throughout the playoffs how

790
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 3: much you loved or did not love the cameras being

791
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 3: around you at all moments of the day. But as

792
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: someone who experienced it firsthand, do you tune into those

793
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 3: types of series? Are you someone who's just like, you

794
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 3: know what, I have my fix living it out in

795
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 3: real life?

796
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 5: Yeah? Right now, I've got other things that focusing on.

797
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 5: But I've heard it's very good, and I've heard that

798
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 5: it's it's it's very going.

799
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 7: I mean, certainly certainly have certainly had a lot.

800
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 5: Of footage to uh to choose from. And I know,

801
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 5: I know a lot of the vast majority of it

802
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 5: was not even around our facility or our team in

803
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 5: our you know, in the.

804
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 7: Hotel and stuff like that.

805
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 5: A lot of it was off site, you know, at

806
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 5: h at Tyres's home, you know, or with his mom

807
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 5: and dad, et cetera. So, you know, from a human

808
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 5: interest standpoint, I'm sure it's uh, I'm sure it's excellent.

809
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 5: And you know, now nowadays, the access for that kind

810
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 5: of stuff is.

811
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 7: Uh, you know, it's it's.

812
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 5: It's like it's it's like never before and and players

813
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 5: are very comfortable with cameras following them around and with

814
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 5: microphones on and stuff like that, and it's really it's

815
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 5: it's all become a part of this business, and coaching

816
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 5: is really not much different, you know, over the years,

817
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 5: you know, as I've been president of the Coaches Association

818
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 5: in the last twenty years and really in seven this

819
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 5: is when a lot of the real true access stuff.

820
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 7: Came into the foe. You know, I've been I've been telling.

821
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 5: Our coaches for for many years that, you know, coaching

822
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 5: the games and coaching developing players and all that is

823
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 5: going to be It's always going to be, you know,

824
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 5: the major part of it, uh, you know, being on

825
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 5: camera and you know, in some ways being a content creator.

826
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 5: I hate that word because it's one of the it's

827
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 5: one of the things that drives people, you know, nuts

828
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 5: in our profession, you know, the people that come out

829
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 5: with hot takes and all that kind of stuff. But

830
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 5: but in a way, it's really true. You know, you're

831
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 5: gonna have robotic cameras in the locker room, maybe be

832
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 5: a lot of different.

833
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 7: Different approaches this year.

834
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 5: You know, I think there's gonna be a a peacock

835
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 5: game every Monday night where there's gonna be two guys,

836
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 5: one guy sitting next right almost on the bench of

837
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 5: one team and another guy's gonna be on the bench

838
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 5: of another Austin Rivers and Robbie Hummel, and these guys

839
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 5: are gonna be trying to really get into the intimacies

840
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 5: of the game.

841
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 7: And so.

842
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 5: Things are very ambitious in the world of access, which

843
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 5: which I completely understand. And uh, you know, this year

844
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 5: with all the new broadcast partners, I mean, there's like

845
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 5: four or five different carriers of NBA basketball, and on

846
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 5: the one hand, it's seems like it might be a

847
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 5: bit confusing. On the other hand, I'm sure the network

848
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 5: is gonna make sure it's it's something that can be sorted.

849
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 7: Up very easily.

850
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: I get coach, there's probably a little bit of a hey,

851
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 2: we gotta, you know, move on from last year, But

852
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 2: will you guys do anything pre game? I don't to

853
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 2: honor I don't know full building in there to honor

854
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 2: last year's team. I don't know if it's raising a

855
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 2: banner for the Eastern Conference Championship or anything like that.

856
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: Thursday night.

857
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 7: My understanding is that there will be.

858
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 5: An acknowledgement of the Eastern Conference Championship banner.

859
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 7: I don't know. I don't know that it's going to

860
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 7: be a long drawn out thing. I do think it's appropriate.

861
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 7: You know, we had our annual meeting with all of.

862
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 5: Our doctors last night. We have a very really you know,

863
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 5: rare situation. We have specialists from virtually every aspect of

864
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 5: medicine that are available to our players.

865
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 7: Coaches too, luckily, you know, really on.

866
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 5: A moment's notice, and so every year we honor them.

867
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 7: We bring them together with a dinner. And one of

868
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 7: the things that.

869
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 5: We did last night was all the doctors that they

870
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 5: wanted to got a picture with me and Kevin Richard

871
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 5: and the U in the Eastern Conference Championship trophy, which

872
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 5: was kind of cool. It's a really nice trophy. It's

873
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 5: it's actually great, a bit nicer than the one they

874
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 5: gave us in twenty eleven.

875
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 7: So that was cool.

876
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 5: But but yeah, I know, it's hey, last year was

877
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 5: last year was really great and there was so much

878
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 5: about it that was moving and inspirational, et cetera. It

879
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 5: got our fans really going. But you know, once once

880
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 5: that acknowledgement happens, you know, we're into the realities of

881
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 5: this year and some of the challenges that we have

882
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 5: right off the bat, and we're playing the World champions

883
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 5: You know, with Oklahoma coming in the year, so there

884
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 5: was a lot going on, but a lot of challenges

885
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 5: that we're looking forward to.

886
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 4: Last one, I'll let you get out of here.

887
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 2: Rick.

888
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 3: We saw you get dressed up for your daughter sorority

889
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 3: sorority formal, had the boat tie on. You used to

890
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 3: see a yen then you know, pull over something like

891
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 3: that Pacers version. So how awesome was that to just

892
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 3: get that slice of life, real life before you get

893
00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 3: back to the grind.

894
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was. It was an amazing night. And uh

895
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 7: it's the Kapa.

896
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 5: Kappa Gamma Sorority parents formal, and it was. It was wonderful, great,

897
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 5: a great night in Charlottesville.

898
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 7: The weather, the weather.

899
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 5: There over the last seven weeks it's been like mid

900
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 5: seventies and sunny and just a light breeze.

901
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 7: It's just been unreal.

902
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 5: It's it's one of the most bucolic places you're ever

903
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 5: gonna find in life.

904
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 7: And uh, and getting to spend that that that evening

905
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 7: with her was really special.

906
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 5: So very grateful to the organization for saying, yeah, that's

907
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 5: okay to do that and uh.

908
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 2: Asking you more of a petting zoo party guy at

909
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: u v A or you more of a get dressed

910
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: up for the formal guy.

911
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 7: Well, I don't know. I wouldn't even know begin to

912
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 7: know how to answer that question. I think for the

913
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 7: for the for the h.

914
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 5: I think i'd have to say probably as little as

915
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 5: I like to get dressed up, probably a little more

916
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 5: of a a formal of a parent's formal person than

917
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 5: you know, what do they call it the sat petting

918
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 5: zou or whatever it was? You know, I ended up

919
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 5: at one of those parties last year, but you know

920
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 5: that's that's unlikely to happen in the future.

921
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 2: Well, you look sharp and certainly looked like an awesome

922
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 2: moment for you guys. Over the weekend again, Pacers Thunder

923
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: starting Thursday night inside a game Bridgefield House, and we

924
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: are very very appreciative of Tuesday's eight o'clock with the

925
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: head coach of the Pacers, Rick Carlisle, coach. Thank you,

926
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:41,959
Speaker 2: good luck and we'll talk to you next week.

927
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 8: All right, guys, take care and out loud on the radio.

928
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 2: Mark about Smashing Pumpkins.

929
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 6: I love this song. Great song by Smashing Pumpkins. It's

930
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 6: called zero. For those of you who like to know

931
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 6: the names of the songs, it's called zero, and I believe.

932
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: Joel a Ericson of the Indie Stars is joining us

933
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 2: right now. Geez what this is a good song.

934
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: He's just one of.

935
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 2: My favorites on spots. Do you want me to your

936
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: team lose? It's a Joli Erickson's team.

937
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 6: That's all ancient history at this point.

938
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is pathetic by Mark. This is

939
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: worse than he was trying to complain about the officials

940
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,439
Speaker 2: and the Bears gave up fifty song.

941
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: I just know that your team is where Mark's team

942
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: went to die this year.

943
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 2: That's all.

944
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's it's I don't know where Mark's going with

945
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 8: this one. It's it's pretty tough. Did they played my

946
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 8: team in the playoffs and lost?

947
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 2: So I agree?

948
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 8: James James James as the as the resident expert on

949
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 8: trash talk, what what's What's? Mark got a chance to

950
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 8: stand down here.

951
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 6: So so here he hung the l flag and then

952
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 6: they won zero games from then out exactly.

953
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 3: That that's where you're going to say, hey, we won

954
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 3: the same amount of games in the next series.

955
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 8: So so, Mark, who has played like every cub song

956
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 8: possible when I come on the radio, is upset that

957
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 8: the Brewers trolled the Cubs after beating them.

958
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: This is a new love Joe brother syndrome. That's all

959
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 2: it is. We're here scratching his back. Man, this is pathetic.

960
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 2: This I couldn't belive. I can't believe he stooped to

961
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: this level. Kevin suggested this song. Hell, no, good morning, Joe.

962
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 2: How are you doing today?

963
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 8: I'm good, I'm good. Are you guys? Do it?

964
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: We're great?

965
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. Is always on the Payless Liquors hotline.

966
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: Six and one in leading so many offensive categories and

967
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: number one ranked in the AFC. Like, it does not

968
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: appear like this train is gonna slow down. What do

969
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: you think so far of this this Colts team?

970
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I think I think we're kind of

971
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 8: at the point now where we should expect this Colts

972
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 8: offense to be great until they honestly, honestly, it's not

973
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 8: even just one performance anymore. It's got to be a

974
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 8: bunch of performances go wrong in a row. Before we

975
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 8: Readjust because you know that Chargers team coming in, there's

976
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 8: there passing stats for like this is the top five

977
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 8: pass defense. The Colts went out and Daniel Jones threw

978
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 8: for two hundred and eighty eight yards and they had

979
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 8: four hundred yards, and you know they it's there's there's

980
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 8: nothing to I know there's still people saying some stuff

981
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 8: about the schedule, but the Broncos are like a top

982
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 8: up until up until Sunday, were like a top two defense.

983
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 8: They're just really good on offense. They're really balanced. They've

984
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 8: got a good offensive line. They don't have to run

985
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 8: jat all the time, so when they do, it's more

986
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 8: it's even more effective. And they got a whole bunch

987
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 8: of different weapons. It's really hard to find a weakness

988
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 8: in the way the Colts have played offense so.

989
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 2: Far, joellet's foreign for Chris Bauer to sit here at

990
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 2: this part of the season and be in the position

991
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: that they are. I tend to think he will be

992
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 2: looking at making a move now. Where exactly that happens, though,

993
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 2: I think is a pretty good debate, So I'll throw

994
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: it your way. You think cornerback or the you think

995
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 2: defensive end is more pressing right now, I.

996
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 8: Think it's cornerback. I just think you know, they're they're

997
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 8: not getting as much edge rush as I think most

998
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 8: people would would like to see. It's still it's still

999
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 8: a DeForest Buckner heavy pass rush from the inside, but

1000
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 8: they have players. You know, if if there were more

1001
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 8: serious injuries to Ebicom and Taekwon Lewis, it doesn't sound

1002
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 8: like those injuries are are long term. You know, I

1003
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 8: think maybe you could make the edge edge rusher argument

1004
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 8: a little bit better. The argument against corner to me,

1005
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 8: is really just that there don't seem to be a

1006
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 8: bunch of good ones out there on the market, but

1007
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 8: the the situation they're in just in terms of depth

1008
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 8: and injury and not knowing when people are going to

1009
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 8: be back, Like if it was me, I go get

1010
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 8: a corner. And I think the other thing is Chris

1011
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 8: Ballor himself has signaled to us all offseason that this

1012
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 8: defense needs cornerbacks. You know that they clearly don't have

1013
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 8: answers too, because you know, they played Cameron Mitchell and

1014
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 8: Jonathan Edwards about the same amount on Sunday. They need

1015
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 8: to find somebody who they can feel like they can

1016
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 8: play them with these guys on the injured reserve.

1017
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 2: Could you make the argument Javeri's Ward will be back

1018
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 2: at some point and there's no Javari's Ward at defensive end.

1019
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 8: I think you could. I think you could. And you

1020
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 8: could also make the argument that you know, at the

1021
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 8: trade deadline you take what's available, and so if if

1022
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 8: there's pass rushers available, you could you can do that.

1023
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 8: I think you could make that argument. I just think

1024
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 8: that we've seen games already. The Rams game is one

1025
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 8: of them where they're getting pressure off the edge and

1026
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 8: it doesn't matter because the corners can't hold up long

1027
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 8: enough to uh to keep the quarter make the quarterback

1028
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 8: hold the ball. So I just think they got to

1029
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 8: have they got to have help at that cornerback position.

1030
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 3: And again we have Joel a Ericson joining us from

1031
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 3: Indie Starr on the Paylofsticas hot line. And Joel, I

1032
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 3: must admit, you might have the biggest man crush onto

1033
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 3: four Orus Buckner.

1034
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 4: There is no greater appreciator.

1035
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:04,720
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna say, Riego Sax.

1036
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 3: What I mean, there's a no first of all, joeys

1037
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 3: a crush on anything that looks weird in football, that

1038
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 3: looks old school in football, and that like hurts my

1039
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 3: brain happen fourth down exactly Like he's the guy who

1040
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 3: keeps up with all the weird intricacies. You know, you

1041
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 3: were on the Zoom call a couple weeks ago, Kevin,

1042
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 3: where we have special teams coordinator Brian Mason Joy and

1043
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 3: he gives a Joel's shout out because he noticed some

1044
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 3: weird thing in practice, and I'm like, of course Joel

1045
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 3: noticed this. So getting back to the point, what how

1046
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 3: would you describe the formans that the Forest Buckner put

1047
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 3: on Sunday and the level he's playing at this season.

1048
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 8: It's he's The hard thing with Buckner is that with

1049
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 8: pass rushers, everyone always looks at sacks, and I think

1050
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 8: that's kind of what happened. What's happened to Butner is

1051
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 8: just that from a national perspective, he doesn't get the

1052
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 8: same credit that like a Chris Jones gets or some

1053
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 8: of these other guys, just because honestly, the Colts haven't

1054
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 8: been good. But I kind of do this thing during

1055
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 8: games most the time where I try to watch the

1056
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 8: line first and then and then and then move on

1057
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 8: to where the ball is going. And Butner has just

1058
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 8: faced so many double teams this year. If he if

1059
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 8: you he said after the game on Sunday, he said

1060
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 8: something about like I was able to win my one

1061
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 8: on ones when I got him I went back and

1062
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 8: watched his sacks. He didn't really get right on right,

1063
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 8: but he got double teams where he beat one guy

1064
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 8: first and then the next guy second, so he kind

1065
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 8: of turned the double team into two one on ones.

1066
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 8: He's a guy, that's he. I just don't think he's

1067
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 8: probably appreciated enough nationally for how good he is. He's

1068
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 8: right up there with those other defensive tackles, and it's

1069
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 8: just it's just a matter of team success. A game

1070
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 8: like the other day, it's not a great Chargers offensive line,

1071
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 8: but he's got to fight through a double team on

1072
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 8: like literally almost every snap.

1073
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 3: If there is someone who is If there is ever

1074
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 3: a moment in the history of football where DeForest Buckner

1075
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 3: is without fans, it is because Joey Erics something has

1076
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 3: happened to him.

1077
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 4: I gotta go find it.

1078
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 3: What I was checking, my buddy, because that man gave

1079
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 3: him his flowers and deservedly sow. The tape is unbelievable

1080
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,959
Speaker 3: from what we saw from the Forrest Buckner.

1081
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 2: Rego or buck.

1082
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 8: Oh man, I have to choose.

1083
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 2: The question. The father of three boys here is pausing.

1084
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 8: I don't I don't want to, I don't want to choose.

1085
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 8: I might, I might. I might have to go rego

1086
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 8: just to just to stay consistent.

1087
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Buckner's got enough people that's fair on his

1088
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 2: boat and there there's the there's there's not enough.

1089
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 8: I might have to go with the witch. He's the

1090
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 8: way the way the ball bounces on those plots like people.

1091
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 8: People are really aren't appreciating it now because he's not

1092
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 8: punning at all, which is great for the colts, but

1093
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 8: you know, you gotta appreciate Rigo Sanchez when he's out there.

1094
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's bad for your fandom and you're carrying the

1095
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: flag for it. Joel A. Erickson from The Star with

1096
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: U here Palistickers hotline Joey teased a little bit earlier.

1097
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 2: Really enjoyed reading so far too, and feel free to tease,

1098
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 2: uh when the Kaylin Jackson feature will be published. But

1099
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: you've written on both the older Ursay daughters so far,

1100
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 2: Carly and Casey. I think excellent reads, just great backgrounds,

1101
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 2: particularly Casey, who was probably the least in the spotlight

1102
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 2: from an organizational standpoint. And yes she is married to

1103
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 2: a foight. Really really well done. Uh kind of how

1104
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 2: did that idea start? And just any grand takeaways you've

1105
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 2: had in chatting.

1106
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 8: With him, Well, I think I think it's something that

1107
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 8: we've kind of wanted to do for a while. And

1108
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 8: the idea was really not necessarily to write something that, uh,

1109
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 8: you know, where we slam in on all of the

1110
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 8: issues pertaining to the team and do all all and

1111
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 8: you know, do the super newsy stuff. The idea was

1112
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 8: to sort of introduce these three people to the city

1113
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 8: of Indianapolis in in whatever way we could. Because we

1114
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 8: we knew a ton about jim irsay and and his

1115
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 8: likes and dislikes and how you know how like how

1116
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 8: he thought and everything. We didn't know as much about

1117
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 8: the people taking over for him, and so that's that's

1118
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 8: kind of where the genesis of the story went. I

1119
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 8: think one of the things that maybe is the biggest

1120
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 8: takeaway is that I think when when they took over,

1121
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 8: there was sort of this feeling or the way they were,

1122
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 8: The way it was talked about was like, you know,

1123
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 8: they're stepping into this new role that they haven't this

1124
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 8: new role it's and it is new in terms of

1125
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 8: them being the the three of them with with Karl

1126
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 8: obviously being the principal owner, being the primary owners but

1127
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 8: the thing I think sticks out to me is that

1128
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 8: it's really not new for them. They've been doing this

1129
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 8: stuff for a really, really long time, and the thing

1130
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 8: that changed is just that they're officially in charge.

1131
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 2: Talking to Joeli Erickson and the Kalin one Ye is it?

1132
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 8: It should be? I was working on that last night,

1133
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,399
Speaker 8: and it will come down to when the right time

1134
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 8: to publish it is from the Indie Star offices, so

1135
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,919
Speaker 8: that one, that one is coming soon. Don't know exactly when,

1136
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 8: but it's coming soon.

1137
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 4: I'll tell him to keep a move on it.

1138
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 3: I trolled Joel with this after every game because we

1139
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 3: were in LA last weekend. Obviously, all the other stories

1140
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 3: that he does, and I tell him is Han'm a subscriber,

1141
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 3: so I need those stories on time. And he certainly,

1142
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 3: you know, feeds the beast. So I'm shouting to me, Star,

1143
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 3: he's to be telling Mark to kiss his ass after

1144
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 3: telling you to kiss his ass?

1145
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, he knows. I feel like Joel just

1146
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 4: kind of like the little brother.

1147
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 3: He just looks at me, he goes, yeah, I'm gonna

1148
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 3: just tune this guy out for the moment and get

1149
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 3: back to work, which usually is and I'd imagine that's

1150
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 3: why he's so successful what he does.

1151
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I mean part of it. Part of it

1152
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 8: is just the way the way it works with us

1153
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 8: being the local paper. Like I, there's there's more that

1154
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 8: needs to be written for me. And now you know,

1155
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,879
Speaker 8: now I I we have Nathan Brown on the beat too,

1156
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,439
Speaker 8: so I've got some help. But for the first seven

1157
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 8: weeks of the season, it wasn't so like what James

1158
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 8: is kind of referring to is uh Like on Sunday

1159
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 8: we got to the press block and I was like, so,

1160
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 8: there's eight things I could write, and like, I think

1161
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 8: somebody else would have to make the decision. I think

1162
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 8: I wrote five of them or six of them, depending

1163
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 8: on when you want to to do that. And James

1164
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 8: James is always like, hey, you got to have that

1165
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 8: up before you get to the radio show, just in

1166
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 8: case there's something I didn't know about there.

1167
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 4: You come serious.

1168
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 2: By the way, shout out to Nathan Brown. I know

1169
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 2: that was announced yesterday on social but you know I

1170
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 2: were in the For those unfamiliar, if you remember Nate Atkins,

1171
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 2: Joel's sidekick covering the Colts here for the last couple

1172
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 2: of years. He's now with the Rams. He's now a

1173
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 2: colleague of James Boyd over at the Athletic covering the Rams.

1174
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 2: Nathan Brown will slide over from the IndyCar Beat, which

1175
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 2: I think the IndyCar Beat would be one of the

1176
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 2: harder ones out there to cover. And I thought Nathan

1177
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 2: did such a great job at the start. I worked

1178
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 2: with him back of the IDs way back in the

1179
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 2: day and was always very admiring frankly of his work ethic.

1180
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 2: So looking forward to having him join the BA. It's

1181
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 2: a loss for Indy Carr, but good news for Joeli

1182
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 2: Ericson in his workload.

1183
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 8: I think I think think the coolest thing to see

1184
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 8: was yesterday after Nathan you know, put his his I'm

1185
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 8: headed to the Colt's feat message there on the social

1186
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 8: media accounts. So seeing how many people are like the

1187
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 8: in the Indie Star is where I go for IndyCar coverage,

1188
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 8: and I live in Japan or you know, somewhere on

1189
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 8: the West Coast or something like that, that that stuff

1190
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 8: is really neat. It's an unique position that he's had

1191
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 8: and now now he gets to come learn in the NFL,

1192
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 8: which we've we've done this before where Jimi Elo was,

1193
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 8: you know, he was covering IndyCar and then shifted over.

1194
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 8: So yeah, it's it's exciting to have somebody else on

1195
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 8: the beat and he gets to come along in a

1196
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 8: really nice time. You know, he's not coming in where

1197
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 8: they're you know, two and five or three and four,

1198
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 8: and everyone's upset he's coming in the opposite way.

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00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: Jill, I'm just curious. Fourteen and a half point spread

1200
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: for the Colts and the Titans this coming weekend. We

1201
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: know the NFL is in any given Sunday, but it

1202
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: doesn't look good for the Titans right now. Is that

1203
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: line more an indication of how good the Cults are

1204
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: thought to be or how bad the Titans are a

1205
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: little bit of both.

1206
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 8: Man, I'm I'm not the biggest betting expert for you.

1207
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 8: I don't feel like you see lines like fourteen and

1208
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 8: a half in the NFL very often that that feels

1209
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 8: more like a like a good SEC team versus a

1210
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 8: bad big twelve team type of line or something. I

1211
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 8: don't know's it's I think it's probably both. I think

1212
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 8: the answer is probably both. People are realizing that the

1213
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 8: Colts just put up points. They just score points every week,

1214
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 8: regardless of the matchup. And I think the other thing

1215
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 8: is just this Titan team doesn't have a head coach.

1216
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 8: They feel pretty rudderless at the moment, and that's how

1217
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 8: you get one of the bigger lines you're going to

1218
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 8: see in the NFL.

1219
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 2: Joel the Colts. This would be the twelfth time, assuming

1220
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 2: this holds, since two thousand, they've been a two touchdown favorite.

1221
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 2: They are ten and one in such games. Can you

1222
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:53,919
Speaker 2: recall the one?

1223
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 8: I cannot? I'm bad with betting lines. I'm terrible.

1224
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 4: This had to be the that was Jacksonville?

1225
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 2: You joined the beat win.

1226
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 8: Twenty eighteen? Is it? Is it? It's twenty eighteen? So

1227
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 8: is it the is it? The season op in twenty twenty.

1228
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 2: A Colts player who made a special teams tackle on

1229
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 2: Sunday scored the first touchdown in this game for the opponent.

1230
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 8: Oh I know, okay, Oh it's Nike Hines.

1231
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, James Boyd.

1232
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm missing the game.

1233
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 4: Gonna say it's Lakwan Treadwell.

1234
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 2: Lakwan Treadwell, as is Jacksonville Jaguar the season finale in

1235
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. That game is just cursed And yes,

1236
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 2: indeed that was Jones.

1237
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 8: If Daniel Jones beats Jacksonville in Jacksonville? Does that does

1238
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 8: that make him like, like, does that that make him

1239
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 8: the ultimate?

1240
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I've said this for the Peyton Manning statue

1241
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 2: goes to ship Heroes parking lot and Daniel Jones statue

1242
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:02,439
Speaker 2: goes out front.

1243
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1244
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 3: I think Daniel Jones walks into the locker room after

1245
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 3: the game Joel with an extension in hand and says,

1246
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 3: you know I already signed. All I need to do

1247
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 3: is ad a couple zeros and then you can sign.

1248
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 2: And is this right? The Colts were down twenty six

1249
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,919
Speaker 2: to three in that game with five minutes to go. God,

1250
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 2: that is right.

1251
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:22,959
Speaker 8: Yeah, that is right.

1252
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 2: And that was they had to win to get in right.

1253
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 8: I still think though that the most the more most

1254
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 8: confusing one in the Jacksonville streak is when the twenty

1255
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 8: eighteen right after I got in the beat, when the

1256
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 8: twenty eighteen Colts were in the middle of running off

1257
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 8: Penn wins in eleven games and the one game they

1258
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 8: lost was to like Cody Keetsli Yeah six nothing in

1259
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 8: Jacksonville and they scored no points. That one is the

1260
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 8: one that I still can't like, I can't process.

1261
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 2: That one more so than Philip Rivers losing to was

1262
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 2: it Urban Meyer. I'm trying to think of the head

1263
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 2: coach would have been in twenty twenty. Then Jacksonville go

1264
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 2: one and fifteen and their only win was over the Colts.

1265
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 8: They they did, but like some some of that you

1266
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 8: just kind of go like a season opener.

1267
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, covid year.

1268
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 8: That team didn't really hit its stride until after that

1269
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 8: Rivers Cleveland Browns game, the Andrew Luck one. The other

1270
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 8: thing is I think that there's also a personal element

1271
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 8: to me. I had this story geared up on the

1272
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 8: Colts offense and how they'd found balance, and we had

1273
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 8: to push it back like a month because my editor

1274
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 8: correctly was like, well, we can't run a story about

1275
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 8: how good the offense is as they scored no points

1276
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 8: in Jacksonville.

1277
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, all I remember was a million red zone drives

1278
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 2: and none of them working, and then like going forward

1279
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 2: constantly on fourth down. Joel, thank you for the time,

1280
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 2: and I will say, respectfully, Mark Dyighton kiss Joel's ass.

1281
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 1: Wow.

1282
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 6: My thing is, why didn't they use the W flag?

1283
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 6: Why'd they do the L flag? Because now you have

1284
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 6: a meme for twenty years because your team lost, but

1285
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 6: they but the Brewers won.

1286
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 2: Once you hang the W flag, we don't fly.

1287
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 8: We don't fly a flag. That's only a Chicago thing.

1288
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 2: You run brought worst down the outfield, all right, just

1289
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 2: go nowhere, just.

1290
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 8: Saying that's better than a flag.

1291
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, Joel, let me know if you want me to

1292
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 4: punch him, I will.

1293
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 2: It sounds like two fourth graders. Just your mom, No,

1294
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 2: your mom, thank you. We're gonna play POGs later