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Speaker 1: Live from vall hartbind and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz Today.

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Speaker 2: It's a conversation about strategy. How does one take the

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Speaker 2: information given and how then do you go about utilizing

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Speaker 2: it to your advantage? Tony Katz, Tony Katz today. Good

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Speaker 2: to be here, Good to be with you. Find everything

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Speaker 2: I do over at Tony Katz dot com. And this

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Speaker 2: is a story of what took place this week. We've

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Speaker 2: talked about some of them, we've talked about some of

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Speaker 2: the data, but we have not asked ourselves. Does this

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Speaker 2: election that we have just seen over there in Virginia,

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Speaker 2: in New Jersey, in New York? Does this apply to

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Speaker 2: the rest of the country. Is there a lesson that

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Speaker 2: needs to be learned? Is this really all about affordability

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Speaker 2: twenty four seven, three sixty five? Is that what it's

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Speaker 2: all about? Is there something else we should be taking

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Speaker 2: from this? Is there some other lesson that we should

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Speaker 2: be learning? Is there such a thing as an overreaction?

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Speaker 2: These are the questions, and they're not bad questions. As

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Speaker 2: a matter of fact, of the smart questions I had

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Speaker 2: mentioned yesterday that I never in my life, ever one ever, ever,

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Speaker 2: ever heard anything as quick from the Republican Party as

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Speaker 2: the post mortem of this election and saying, you know what, affordability,

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Speaker 2: that's what it's all about. Shawn Spicer joins me right now.

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Speaker 2: You know him from the Shawn Spicer Show on the

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Speaker 2: first former Press Secretary to President Trump. His book The Briefing, Politics,

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Speaker 2: the Press, and the President, available at Amazon dot com

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Speaker 2: wherever fine books are sold in Shawn, I appreciate you

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Speaker 2: taking the time to be here, the time to be

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Speaker 2: with us. The election that we just saw the Democrats

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Speaker 2: winning all the places they won. Is there a great

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Speaker 2: lesson to learn from this that Republicans need to take.

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Speaker 2: You see, at least the phonic running for governor New

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Speaker 2: York and saying, first things first, affordability is the key?

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Speaker 2: Or are these silent out events and we should treat

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Speaker 2: them as such?

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Speaker 3: Well, look, every election you learned something. And that's the thing.

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Speaker 4: And it's like every gay if you're a soccer player

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Speaker 4: or whatever.

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Speaker 3: I mean. I even think, like you.

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Speaker 4: Know, as a professional, I look at shows that I

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Speaker 4: do and I'll say, Okay, what went.

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Speaker 3: Well there, what didn't go well? How can I improve?

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Speaker 4: I think that's frankly just how personally and professionally. People

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Speaker 4: should live their lives trying to figure out how can

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Speaker 4: I be better personally professionally. So you should always look

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Speaker 4: at an election and say, what do we do well

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Speaker 4: and what didn't we do well. I think there's two

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Speaker 4: things that I stand out for me on this election, Tony.

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Speaker 4: One is the messaging two of the mechanics and the

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Speaker 4: messaging front.

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Speaker 3: Look, I think the economy and.

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Speaker 4: Safety crime are always going to be the number one

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Speaker 4: and number two issues for people.

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Speaker 3: If you don't feel like you're.

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Speaker 4: Doing well, that you can spend money, put money away,

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Speaker 4: take care of your kids, then the economy isn't good

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Speaker 4: for you, no matter what statistic somebody tells you. Two

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Speaker 4: is on the safety front, the same thing. If you

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Speaker 4: can't walk down your street and feel safe, then it's

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Speaker 3: And Republicans, you know, as you look at what.

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Speaker 4: You and I talked about this on my show, like

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Speaker 4: they're sitting around talking about social issues.

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Speaker 3: I'm not minimizing those social issues.

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Speaker 4: But do you really care about you know, what's going

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Speaker 4: on culturally? If first and foremost you can't afford what's

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Speaker 4: going on in the world to pay for food or rent,

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Speaker 4: and that's where Republicans missed the vote. And then on

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Speaker 4: the mechanics, there's two things. Number one, the get out

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Speaker 4: the vote effort sucked. I can't discuss that enough sucked.

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Speaker 4: And when you look at Virginia winsome seers underperformed south

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Speaker 4: underperformed by twenty points.

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Speaker 3: Twenty points. You can't win like that.

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Speaker 4: And secondly, look the world that we live in today.

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Speaker 4: I was talking to Robert Kahley. I'm just going to

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Speaker 4: a conversation and I said, he said, Sean, if you

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Speaker 4: And again listen, he didn't make any money off these

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Speaker 3: He said, the problem with the J. Jones scandal is this.

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Speaker 4: If you are getting your information from legacy media, then

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Speaker 4: Aren't getting their messaging and their information from legacy media.

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Speaker 4: and to really reach out to influencers that can help.

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Speaker 3: But fundamentally, here's the problem, Tony. Consultants don't make.

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Speaker 4: Money like that, and so they ignored it. And I

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Speaker 3: I never heard back. These guys.

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Speaker 4: Their messaging and their mechanics sucks. And I'm sorry, it's

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Speaker 3: A root awakening.

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Speaker 4: But you know what, I think Republicans betting into midterms

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Speaker 4: need to hear this.

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Speaker 3: Your messaging needs to.

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Speaker 4: Get better, and the mechanic about how you get people

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Speaker 4: needs to do a lot more. As you head in.

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Speaker 4: I'm just everyone wants to put their head in the

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Speaker 4: sand and go, oh, well, it wasn't this, It wasn't that.

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Speaker 3: I just gave you the solution. The question is.

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Speaker 4: Whether or not, if you're a candidate, you want to

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Speaker 4: listen and take that advice.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's a whole conversation of the medium is

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Speaker 2: the message. Talking to Sean Spicer, host of The Shawn

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Speaker 2: on the Twitter X. But the underperforming is the underperforming

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Speaker 2: because you just don't reach a younger audience, or is

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Speaker 2: the underperforming because the overall message didn't actually connect with

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Speaker 2: where Virginians, New Jersey's New Yorkers were.

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Speaker 3: No, that's actually a fantastic question. It's vote. They go

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Speaker 4: You can't turn people out if they don't have a

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Speaker 4: reason to vote. So if they're like, hey, great, you

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Speaker 4: got you contacted me, but why do I care?

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Speaker 3: What is this election? Why is my life going to

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Speaker 3: be better worse because of you? So if you don't

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Speaker 3: give them a message or reason, then they're not going

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Speaker 3: to get out and vote. That's just a fact.

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Speaker 4: And so the problem is they lacked a the message

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Speaker 4: I mean they go hand in hand, just to be clear,

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Speaker 4: for those reasons, I feel like it's on Shark Tank,

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Speaker 4: you know, for that reason, I'm out.

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Speaker 2: The message of affordability. Right Democrats think, aha, we've got

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Speaker 2: the right message, but their message would be a weird

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Speaker 2: one compared to what that happened in the four years

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Speaker 2: governor's mansion in New York, and her first message, message

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Speaker 2: number one is a sfordability in New York? Was that message?

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Speaker 2: Is that message a broad scale message for the Republicans

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Speaker 4: Well, look, yes, yes, but but again part of this

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Speaker 4: is it's not as simple. A's like, hey, tell me

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Speaker 4: what the message is and then I'll just repeat it.

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Speaker 4: There has to be a localization of that, right. So

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Speaker 4: in the case of New Jersey, for example, Uh, their

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Speaker 4: energy builds are going way up. So you can't just

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Speaker 4: say the word affordability, affordability, affordability.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I got it.

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Speaker 4: You've got to You've got to make it actually resonate

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Speaker 4: The energy costs makes sense, so you know, focus on that.

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Speaker 4: But you can't just it's not It's it's like again,

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Speaker 4: too many times people want the simple, right, So what

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Speaker 4: what is it that makes it unique to New York

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Speaker 3: Or whatever.

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Speaker 4: So for people in downstate New York, you know, think

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Speaker 4: about Kathy, I mean, you know the stapepout those uh

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Speaker 4: what you're commute is costing you in New York City.

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Speaker 4: That might be different in Buffalo or Albany.

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Speaker 3: But and the reason I say this is sometimes people

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Speaker 4: It's like when people say to me, Sean, I want

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Speaker 4: to be more like Trump, and my answer to them is,

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Speaker 4: don't be like Trump, right, be yourself.

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Speaker 3: What Donald Trump does, he's himself.

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Speaker 4: People sense the authenticity of Donald Trump. And when people

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Speaker 4: say I want to do what Trump did, it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump is Donald Trump. You are you be you

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Speaker 4: be authentically. You don't try to pretend that you're Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: Because only he can get away with half the crack

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Speaker 3: I can't.

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Speaker 3: You know you're right.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Sean Spicer, host of you know, the Shawn

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Speaker 2: Speiser Show on the first and the book The Briefing, Politics,

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Speaker 2: the Press, and the President that's available at Amazon dot com.

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Speaker 2: Let's get to a part two as we look into

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Speaker 2: the midterms and try and engage some philosophy and some

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Speaker 2: crystal balling here. And that's the concept of Trump hate.

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Speaker 2: We know that the last ten years have been Trump

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Speaker 2: is the threat to democracy. Trump's a danger, Trump's authoritarian,

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Speaker 2: Trump's a fascist. As I see it, the MSNBC's of

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Speaker 2: the world are flat out guilty of trying to secure

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Speaker 2: lone wolves to do damage, just like we saw it

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Speaker 2: This idea we see in the polling that the political

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Speaker 2: says something you disagree with, this horrifying reality that we

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Speaker 2: are all in. But we've also made the argument that

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Speaker 2: hate rocks the brain and hate is not a winning

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Speaker 2: message and of itself, because people want something to aspire to,

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Speaker 2: they want something to reach towards, to be a part

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Speaker 2: of as you see it, can Trump hate truly help

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Speaker 2: Democrats carry as they look to the midterms.

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Speaker 3: Look, I think it can be part of it.

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Speaker 4: But you're absolutely right, right, So like, for example, you

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Speaker 4: could say it's not it's a two part proposition.

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Speaker 3: So you've got someone to say you've got it, not

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Speaker 3: like Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: And then oh, by the way, I made better alternative

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Speaker 4: because you know, fill in the blank. I'll keep you safer,

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Speaker 4: I'll make you more prosperous. And that's what I always

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Speaker 4: call this the comma. So you know, I'll give you

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Speaker 4: an example where I think the Trump administration is falling

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Speaker 4: short on affordability. As the President did this big drug

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Speaker 2: on Twitter x Sewn Spicer and the book The Briefing Politics,

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Speaker 2: The Democrats have now decided, after Tuesday's election, we don't

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Speaker 2: You had Senator Blumenthal, who lied about his Vietnam service,

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Speaker 4: So, Tony, I think that kind of going back to

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Speaker 4: Making a process argument, which is, hey, we're voting to

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Speaker 2: As promised, the eyebrows story Tony Katz, Tony Katz today,

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Speaker 2: great to be with you. No, no, no, not my eyebrows.

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Speaker 2: This was a conversation over there at CNN on that

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Speaker 2: what we have with the Scotch It's the Scott Jennings

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Speaker 7: Can I just say that I live in Washington, DC,

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Speaker 2: She's not on Snap. That's the thing the eyebrows. There's

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Speaker 6: The clients have to have money to pay them. Restaurants,

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Speaker 2: That is a fact. And people will listen to that

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Speaker 2: it here. This is Tony Kats today. I am fully

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz today, Great to be with you. Let me

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Speaker 2: that you have this over at hotair dot com. This

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Speaker 5: Whatever they get is going to be is going to

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Speaker 5: be less than the damage that they're doing to basically

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Speaker 5: their own constituencies.

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Speaker 2: To hold on and your class. This is Senator Richard Blumenthal,

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Speaker 2: Democrat Connecticut, who lied about his Vietnam service. I always

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Speaker 2: say that it is important to remind people of who

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Speaker 2: he is. This is him. Make sure you can hear this. Listen.

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Speaker 4: I think that there is no reason to surrender now,

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Speaker 4: every reason to stand firm.

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Speaker 2: There's no reason to surrender now, every reason to stand firm.

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Speaker 2: So here we are, and they decided to your point,

448
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Speaker 2: you know, I always talk about the political left always

449
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Speaker 2: overplaced their hand, always in every single situation. They can't

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Speaker 2: just take a victory for the of it. They think

451
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Speaker 2: Virginia and New Jersey and Mom Donnie equals let it

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Speaker 2: last for forever. You can make the Republicans capitulate on

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Speaker 2: a million things, or you can pretend to gain something else.

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Speaker 2: We're going to see day fifty five of this at

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Speaker 2: this rate.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it may it may last to Thanksgiving or even Christmas.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it gets them anything though. That's the thing.

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Speaker 5: They're not going to win anything in the end. This

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Speaker 5: is the problem with shutdowns. You don't actually win anything

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Speaker 5: in a shutdown, especially when the other party has control

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Speaker 5: of the White House, because the White House can control

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Speaker 5: how shutdowns operate. And actually the Trump you know, you know,

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Speaker 5: Trump is demanding that Senate Republicans in the filibuster and

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Speaker 5: get this thing over with. I think it's a short sighted,

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Speaker 5: short term solution to this issue. But still I think

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Speaker 5: I think it highlights the fact that there's really nothing

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Speaker 5: at stake here except for the partisanship, and Donald Trump

468
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Speaker 5: is sick in tired of the partisanship and he wants

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Speaker 5: to just get things moving again. And I think he

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Speaker 5: also understands too, and I think he understood this before

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Speaker 5: the election, that Republicans were making a somewhat foolish judgment

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Speaker 5: that the shutdown was going to hurt Democrats in these

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Speaker 5: in these off yr elections, even though these elections took

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Speaker 5: place in deep blue blue or deep blue territory.

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Speaker 2: That turned out to be incorrect.

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Speaker 5: It just did, And I think Trump knew that, and

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Speaker 5: I think that's the reason why he's been pressing for

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Speaker 5: the filibuster to be either either reformed or eliminated as

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Speaker 5: a means of getting this thing over with.

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Speaker 2: He's calling for elimination. Talking to Ed Morrissey of dot Com,

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Speaker 2: I do believe he's wrong, and I have just made

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Speaker 2: the argument that getting rid of the filibuster is only

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Speaker 2: part one. What is the whip count on all the

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Speaker 2: things you want to get done? How many Senators do

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Speaker 2: you have with you? And then how are you gonna

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Speaker 2: get it passed in the House. You know you're gonna

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Speaker 2: have Thomas Massey against you on near everything, and you

488
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Speaker 2: know you're gonna have Victoria's Sparks from Indiana my memory

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Speaker 2: of Congress against you on all buds. They so it's

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Speaker 2: not that these things exist in a vacuum. You got

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Speaker 2: to have a strategy that plays all the way along here.

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Speaker 2: But the real question is and I think it was

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Speaker 2: byron Yorke who first brought this up, and I will

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Speaker 2: give him credit where to too. If it wasn't him,

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Speaker 2: I'll give credit to whoever it was. You got to

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Speaker 2: take the conversation out of the hands of Speaker Johnson.

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Speaker 2: I think like Johnson is an able speaker. I think

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Speaker 2: he's proven himself in a lot of ways. But this

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Speaker 2: is now time for a wartime conciliary. This is a

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Speaker 2: time to punch Democrats in the face and say you

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Speaker 2: want a government shutdown. You explain to people why you

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Speaker 2: want their kids to starve. Here's the continuing resolution. I'm

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Speaker 2: out of it. I think there needs to be a

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Speaker 2: strategy difference if this is the way Democrats are going

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Speaker 2: to play. Am I right or am I wrong?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: I think you're right.

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Speaker 5: I don't think. I think Republicans are making a mistake

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Speaker 5: by trying to come up with packages and that sort

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Speaker 5: of thing. I think they just should have said, we've

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Speaker 5: got a continuing resolution on the table that will fund

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Speaker 5: government today. We're going to keep putting it up there

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Speaker 5: until you vote for it. I don't care what else

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Speaker 5: everybody wants. We're not negotiating at all until the hostage

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Speaker 5: is released, basically the budget being the hostage. Yeah, and

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Speaker 5: I don't necessarily like the hostage language because we just

517
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Speaker 5: got done with two years of actual hostages and dealing

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Speaker 5: with actual hostages. But I think it's I think it's

519
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Speaker 5: but it is what it is. That's exactly what this is.

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Speaker 5: They're trying to hold the federal government hostage in order

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Speaker 5: to undo the Reconciliation bill. But it's really what they

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Speaker 5: want to do. They just really want to undo the

523
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Speaker 5: Reconciliation Bill. That's what this is all about. And so yeah,

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Speaker 5: I think that I think that, you know, I like Thune,

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Speaker 5: I like Johnson, both of them, and actually Johnson I

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Speaker 5: think has been tougher on this than Tune has. Johnson's

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Speaker 5: just Johnson's saying, I'm not even bringing the house back

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Speaker 5: until you pass the CR. He's been tough on that.

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Speaker 5: It's Thune that's going, well, maybe we'll package it with this,

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Speaker 5: maybe we'll package it with that. We want to talk

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Speaker 5: to these people, talk to those people. No, you just say, look,

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Speaker 5: here's the CR. We're gonna keep putting the CR until

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Speaker 5: it expires. Then I'm gonna go ask my friend Mike

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Speaker 5: Johnson pass another CR, clean CR, and we're gonna put

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Speaker 5: that on the table until that one expires. And we're

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Speaker 5: not reopening you know, Didley, until we until we pass

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Speaker 5: the clean CR.

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Speaker 2: That's it period. Sorry, food needs to hear what Richard

539
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Speaker 2: Blumenthal just said. And his blood doesn't boil, then he's

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Speaker 2: the wrong guy for leadership. That would be my immediate take.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Ed Morrissey over there at hot air dot com.

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Speaker 2: Let's move the subject to the Civil War amongst the

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Speaker 2: political right and the end of Magan Republicanism as we

544
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Speaker 2: know it.

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Speaker 5: Oh, you mean heritage, right.

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Speaker 2: The level of everything is ruining everything. Everybody is destroying everything. Listen,

547
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Speaker 2: I had William Jacobson on the show yesterday. He certainly

548
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Speaker 2: is no fan of Tucker Carlson. And uh, the clear

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Speaker 2: uh not just anti Israel, anti Jewish sentiment that he

550
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Speaker 2: is espousing. That the interview with Nick Fuentes, which had

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Speaker 2: no pushback. The platforming of somebody you know, is that

552
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Speaker 2: ugly is more than just well, we're having conversation here,

553
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Speaker 2: but that Kaid this person's trying to destroy MAGA. That

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Speaker 2: one's trying to destroy MAGA. The Republican parties and disarrays,

555
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Speaker 2: a total civil war. Dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria. No, no,

556
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Speaker 2: the answer is clearly no. But this is what's desperately wanted.

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Speaker 2: How do you describe what's happening.

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Speaker 5: I describe what's happening as hygienic. You've got some fringe

559
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Speaker 5: characters who are trying to encroach on your movement. You

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Speaker 5: criticize them, you push them out. And for people who

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Speaker 5: are trying to mainstream them, you criticize them and push

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Speaker 5: them out. And that's exactly what was going on here.

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is not new Aces. Phades actually had

564
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Speaker 5: a really good, lengthy post as Ace is wont to do,

565
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Speaker 5: talking about the fact that the whole point of politics

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Speaker 5: is to is to create hygiene for the body politic. Right,

567
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Speaker 5: So if you've got Groper's to the left of you,

568
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Speaker 5: Groper's to the right of you, you push back against

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Speaker 5: both sides at the same time, and you'll measure stuck

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Speaker 5: in the middle here. I am stuck in the middle

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Speaker 5: with you. Yes, exactly. Steeler's wheel, Little Steelers wheel for

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Speaker 5: Tony Kats fans. But I mean, that's that's politics. That's

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Speaker 5: what you're supposed to do. You're not supposed to wrap

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Speaker 5: your arms around somebody because they might be on your

575
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Speaker 5: side when they are a totally toxic I mean again,

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Speaker 5: Nick Fuentis is a guy who is professing his fandom

577
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Speaker 5: of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, you know, and was saying

578
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Speaker 5: that vote for Kamala Harris and I'm going to destroy maggot.

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Speaker 5: That's not exactly an ally that you're dealing with there.

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Speaker 5: And he's a fringe character. Yeah, he's got a few

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Speaker 5: million followers on social media.

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Speaker 2: A few million. He's got five million, but I've got

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Speaker 2: five million.

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Speaker 9: The largest scale point as a problem, well, it's a problem.

585
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Speaker 9: But the way you deal with the problem is to

586
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Speaker 9: call it out, not to cover it up, not to say, oh,

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Speaker 9: no enemies to the right. You know, this is not

588
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Speaker 9: you know, this is not the the Soviet We're not

589
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Speaker 9: supposed to take the Soviet approach to things.

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Speaker 5: We're not supposed to take the Lenin Marx line. No

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Speaker 5: enemies to the right, no enemies to the left. We

592
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Speaker 5: are supposed to be looking at this. Especially Heritage is

593
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Speaker 5: a think tank it's supposed to be looking at this

594
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Speaker 5: and saying this is what conservative is, conservatism is, and

595
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Speaker 5: this is what conservatism isn't. And Nick Quentes and Tucker

596
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Speaker 5: Carlson at the moment is what conservatism isn't. And you

597
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Speaker 5: need that type of hygiene. So this is hygiene. It's

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Speaker 5: not a civil war. This is first off, it's just

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Speaker 5: a debate. I mean, the whole civil war thing is

600
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Speaker 5: a little overblown anyway in terms of hyperbole. But this

601
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Speaker 5: isn't even that is this is people criticizing fringe characters.

602
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Speaker 5: It's hardly a civil war. Neither one, neither Tucker nor

603
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Speaker 5: point Is is a guy who is trying to, you know,

604
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Speaker 5: promote either the Republican Party or Mega or Conservatism incorporated,

605
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Speaker 5: whatever you want to call things, you know, different at

606
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Speaker 5: different levels. They're actively opposed to it. So this isn't

607
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Speaker 5: even a civil war. This is, I guess, if you

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Speaker 5: want to use a a war analogy, this is the

609
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Speaker 5: barbarians at the gates and you didn't win. You know,

610
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Speaker 5: they didn't save the city of Vienna by by allowing

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Speaker 5: the Turks to come in, right they you know, the

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Speaker 5: barbarians at the you know, the city of Rome Fell

613
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Speaker 5: because they let the barbarians in the gates. I mean,

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Speaker 5: you go back to history, this is the barbarians at

615
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Speaker 5: the gates. You just have to keep them out. And

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Speaker 5: the way you do that is to point out who

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Speaker 5: they are and what they represent. I mean, the idea

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Speaker 5: that that's a civil war is nonsense.

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Speaker 2: And you're you're going to take heat for saying that,

620
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Speaker 2: Oh you don't understand, Oh they run the party or

621
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Speaker 2: they're the future. We do have a fight on our hands.

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Speaker 2: That much cannot be denied ed. Morrissey hotair dot Com.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you as always being here more to get you.

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Speaker 2: Keep it right here, guys, I'm Tony Katz in this.

625
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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today, So it's now official you can

626
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Speaker 2: assault a cop and no charges will come. I'm not

627
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Speaker 2: suggesting you do such a thing. I'm only reading the

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Speaker 2: story Tony Katz. Tony Katz today. There was this guy

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Speaker 2: in DC and he's so upset with law enforcement for

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Speaker 2: going after people who are in the country illegally in

631
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Speaker 2: deporting them as you engage this cleanup of DC that

632
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Speaker 2: he took his subway sandwich and he threw it at

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Speaker 2: a cop and then the cops chased him down and

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Speaker 2: arrested him, and they wanted to charge this guy with

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Speaker 2: a felony. And the grand juror is like, nah, okay,

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Speaker 2: he did throw this thing in a cop. I mean

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Speaker 2: he did what he did. Nope, So the prosecutor said,

638
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Speaker 2: all right, we'll prosecutor as a misdemeanor. So what happened.

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Speaker 2: The trial goes for three days, the jury deliberated for

640
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Speaker 2: like half a day total, and then they acquitted this guy.

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Speaker 2: This guy then makes a statement that.

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Speaker 10: Justice prevails in spite of everything happening, and that I

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Speaker 10: believe that I was protecting the rights of immigrants, and

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Speaker 10: let us not forget that the Great Seal of the

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Speaker 10: United States says e pluribus unum.

646
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Speaker 2: That means from many.

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Speaker 10: One, every life matters, no matter where you came from,

648
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Speaker 10: no matter how you got here, no matter how you identify.

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Speaker 10: You have the right to live a life that is free.

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Speaker 2: Thank you that you came to the United States so

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Speaker 2: you could live a life that's free. But you have

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Speaker 2: to come legally. And as I say, the minute the

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Speaker 2: first thing I saw about this guy, I'm like, this

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Speaker 2: is the weakness that destroys societies. He actually thinks he

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Speaker 2: did something brave and bold and valuable. You threw a

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Speaker 2: sandwich at a cop. You're not a hero. This is

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz today