1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: Lie from Vaal Hartbiner and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. So it's clear to everybody that the 3 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: hit on Iran is not going to stop until the 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: regime is gone. And while the administration may not want 5 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: to call it regime change, it is what it is. 6 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: And I don't think we should ever lie to ourselves. 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: Tony Kats, Tony Kats today, Good to be here, Good 8 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: to be with you. I favor the taking out of 9 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: the Iatola. I favor the destruction of the Iranian regime. 10 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: I favor the Ranian people being able to live their lives. 11 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: I favor in every single way. And yes, as we 12 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: have discussed and we will be discussing the leftists that 13 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: are angry and screaming about Israel and screaming about Trump 14 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: being a warmonger. These are people who are on the 15 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: side of terrorists and terrorism. That's who they are. They 16 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: are exposed. You have Iranians in the United States crying 17 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: in this screaming and cheering that they love Trump, and 18 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: you have liberal white women saying, how dare Trump? What 19 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: side do you want to be on? That is where 20 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: we're at. There is a right side, and there is 21 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: a wrong side. There is good and evil. There's the 22 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: Yestertov and the Ytes are Hurrah. That is where we 23 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: are at. The American left is angry that their terrorist 24 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: proxies will not be in place to engage in more terrorism. 25 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 1: The lefties are upset that America isn't going to fail 26 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: against these terrorists. The American Left, which are communists, want 27 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: to see destruction in the United States. They want the 28 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: US to fail. They want the terrorists to succeed, not 29 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: because I say so, but because they say so. And 30 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: the problem now is everybody sees it. Everybody knows that 31 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: they're exposed. So they're angry and they're lashing out, and 32 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: they all just look so unbelievably stupid because they are. 33 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: They are the dumbest people. And it's very important that 34 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: if you are a twenty something, you understand that the 35 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: Left can't get you a job, doesn't care if you 36 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: have a future. They don't care. They want you to 37 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: be angry. They want you to be upset. They want 38 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: everybody fighting against each other because that way they get 39 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: more control. Your life is meaningless. When you go to 40 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: vote in November, you are indeed voting for your future. 41 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: By not voting for them. I need to say the 42 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: Republicans are perfect. Holy cow, have you met those people? 43 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: A lot of them are schmucks. But the left doesn't 44 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: want you to have a future, and the political right does. 45 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 1: Don't ever tell me it's a uniparty that dog won't hunt. 46 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: The left wants everyone angry, and they want the violent 47 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: people to be able to attack us, and they say 48 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: we are wrong for defending ourselves. And of course it 49 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: was the right move to take out terrorists who have 50 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: been killing Americans and attacking Americans since they took America 51 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: hostage in nineteen seventy nine, since the killing of Marines 52 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: and Beirut in nineteen eighty three. They deserve vengeance for 53 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: those things, and they've engaged in terrorist activities throughout and 54 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: supporting of terrorist activities. So what are we kidding ourselves for? 55 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: Why are we pretending that somehow there's no reason for this. 56 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: They did this. Screw the Ayatola, screw his kids, screw 57 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: anybody who supports him. That's the right answer. And the 58 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: lefties support the idea of him being in power, and 59 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: they are opposed to American strength. Oh, it's a unnecessary war. 60 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: It's a forever war. These people cannot be trusted to 61 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: be in power. They want to us to continue taking 62 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: terrorist attacks, They want us to continue having to deal 63 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: with the violence. They want to keep us angry at 64 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: one another so they could come in and claim, well, 65 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: this would all stop if we were in power and 66 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: we had more government control and more government. That's the 67 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: more anger and the more they feel, the better for them. 68 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: That's no way to live. And they are supportive of 69 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: and you see it everywhere. They're supportive of a terrorist regime. 70 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: Don't vote for these people. If you're twenty something and 71 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: you want a life, and you want a job, and 72 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: you want a future, and you want a family and 73 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: all those things, the Left as opposed to you having 74 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: all of that. And this is just one example of it. 75 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: But earlier today you had Secretary of War, Secretary of 76 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: Defense Pete Hegseth speaking. It was a press conference with 77 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: him and the Chairman of the Joint ses of Staff, 78 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: General Dan Kin. Let's start with Secretary Hegseth. 79 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: Two days ago, under the direction and direct orders of 80 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 2: President Donald J. Trump, the Department of War launched Operation 81 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: Epic Fury, the most lethal, most complex, and. 82 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 3: Most precise aerial operation in history. 83 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 2: For forty seven long years, the expansionist and Islamist regime 84 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 2: in Tehran has waged justge one sided. 85 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 3: War against America. 86 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: They didn't always declare it openly, except for their constant 87 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 2: chance of death to America. They did it through the 88 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 2: blood of our people, car bombs in Beirut, rocket attacks 89 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 2: on our ships, murders at our embassy's, roadside bombs in Iraq, 90 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 2: in Afghanistan, funded and armed by Iranian. 91 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 3: KOD's Force and IRGC killers. 92 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 2: My generation of veterans carried the names of brothers who 93 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: never came home, brothers butchered by Iranian backed roadside bombs 94 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: and well armed militias, thousands of our own. We didn't 95 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 2: start this war, but under President Trump, we are finishing it. 96 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 2: Their war on Americans has become our retribution against their 97 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 2: Ayatola and his death cult. It took the forty seventh President, 98 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: a fighter who always puts America first, to finally draw 99 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 2: the line after forty seven years of Iranian belligerents. He 100 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: reminded the world, as he has time and time again, 101 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 2: being an American means something unbreakable. If you kill Americans, 102 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 2: if you threaten Americans anywhere on earth. 103 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 3: We will hunt you down. 104 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 2: Without apology and without hesitation, and we will kill you. 105 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,239 Speaker 1: It is a very different military, and I am thrilled 106 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: by it. I gotta tell you, I am overjoyed that 107 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: the adults are back in charge. And so we're clear, 108 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: these are the adults. We're not looking for a fight, 109 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: we're not looking for a problem. But we will be 110 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: in charge and you will not. Is the correct answer. 111 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: It is the only correct answer. The Left keeps making 112 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: this weird argument about forever wars and we're promised no 113 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 1: more forever wars. What kind of conversation is this? There 114 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: are an are we gonna pretend that there aren't. Well, 115 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: they didn't propose an imminent threat. You're gonna you're gonna 116 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: wait until you're getting killed before you fight back. I'm sorry, 117 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: this is all stupid talk. It's silly nonsense, babble pablem 118 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: it's pathetic. It really and truly, is Iran has been 119 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: the enemy since nineteen seventy nine. I know the Left 120 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: wants to say, well, you see, Israel talked them into it. 121 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: That's all. That's all they know how to say. Their 122 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: hate is all they've got. But We don't have to 123 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: buy into it, and we shouldn't. 124 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 3: President Trump has also been very consistent. 125 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: Crazy regimes like Iran, hell bent on prophetic Islamist delusions, 126 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 2: cannot have nuclear weapons. 127 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 3: It's common sense. 128 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 2: Many have said it, but it takes guts to actually 129 00:07:55,440 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 2: enforce it, and our president has guts. Iran's stubborn and 130 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: self evident nuclear pursuits, their targeting of global shipping lanes, 131 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 2: and their swelling arsenal of ballistic missiles and killer drones 132 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 2: were no longer are no longer tolerable risks. Iran was 133 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 2: building powerful missiles and drones to create a conventional shield 134 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 2: for their nuclear blackmail ambitions. Let me say that again, 135 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 2: a conventional shield for their nuclear blackmail ambitions. Our bases, 136 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 2: our people, our allies, all in their crosshairs. Iran had 137 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 2: a conventional gun to our head as they tried to 138 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 2: lie their way to a nuclear bomb. It almost worked 139 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 2: under Obama and his terrible deal, but not under this president. 140 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 2: Turns out, the regime who chanted death to America and 141 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 2: death to Israel was gifted death from America and death 142 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 2: from Israel. 143 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we absolutely were together on this, And I 144 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: say good. This whole talk about Israel talks America into this, that, 145 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: and the other. I can't stop those people from being 146 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: hateful and vicious and disgusting and despectable. I'm never going 147 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: to be able to stop them. I also don't care 148 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: about them. The Tucker set, the Canvas set, the Dave 149 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: Smith of freaks, blah blah blah blah blah. Should the 150 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: United States continue to be bothered by under threat of 151 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: have to deal with the terrorist regime of Iran? I 152 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: believe the answer is no. Regardless of what Israel says. 153 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: I'm an America first guy, I'm an American. I'm an American. 154 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: There's no conversation in me. I know where I'm at 155 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: that we may have an alliance with and an agreement 156 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: with Israel and a host of subjects fantastic, But as 157 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: we are going to break down, this isn't even about Israel. 158 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 1: This is about the Board of Peace. Everyone one has 159 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: got the story wrong. This is about a fundamental change 160 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: in the region. And that's what's got the lefties most upset. 161 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: All these other nations now involved in the build up 162 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: of Gaza, where they've got skin in the game, money 163 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: in the game, they can't they can't handle this. The 164 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: Left can't believe that all these other nations are going 165 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: to be putting money in rebuilding Gaza and they want 166 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: to actually protect their investment. Let me give you the 167 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: short version here as I explained this with more detail. 168 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: The short version goes as follows. Nothing about what we 169 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: saw this past weekend involving the destruction of the Iranian 170 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: regime and the killing of the Iatola and his top leaders, 171 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: has to do with anything that's happened recently. This gets 172 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: set into motion, the stage gets set by the Abraham Accords. 173 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: The Abraham Accords changed everything because the Abraham Accords reset 174 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 1: an idea. Instead of the Middle East saying well, we 175 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: can't talk to Israel until they solve things with the 176 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: Palestinians and we're not going to have relationships with them, 177 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: which Oared Kusher and the team did is they said, hey, hello, 178 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 1: how about what change the dynamic. Work with is You'll 179 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: engage some trade with is You'll make money with Israel. 180 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: They'll make money with you, They'll be some tourism and 181 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: together you can work towards a solution regarding these Palestinians, who, 182 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: by the way, many of you our nations won't take 183 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: back because they're ethnically yours. Anyway, you guys can create 184 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: some kind of deal where it works for everybody, and 185 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: you're already got a relationship that doesn't have to be 186 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: about constant fighting and vitriol. And some nations said, okay, 187 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: sounds great, because they were tired of the fighting and 188 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: the vitriol. But they were concerned that if they went 189 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: that direction, they would have a problem with who Iran. 190 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: It's the Abraham Accords that set things in motion. Then 191 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: October seven, seventh happens twenty twenty three. The Hamas, that 192 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: is to say, Iranian regime attack on Israel, killing twelve hundred, 193 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: murdering twelve hundred Americans, included raping women, kidnapping women and 194 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: children and the elderly, and Israel said, we're not going 195 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: to stop. And they kept going at Hamas and going 196 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: at Amas, and there was a moment where everyone said, okay, 197 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: you have to stop now. Those are the rules. You 198 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: stop now. And Israel said, you know what, Nah, those 199 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: days are over. And they changed the game, even with 200 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: the pressure against them from the disgusting Biden administration, the 201 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: jew hitting bigots that filled that administration. The Israeli said no, no, no, 202 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: we're going forward. Listen, you could be our friend or not, 203 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 1: whatever this is happening. They didn't stop, and they didn't stop, 204 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 1: and they didn't stop. And then well the next thing, 205 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: you know that you got the un clamoring and screaming 206 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: and yelling. But these other nations didn't come to Hamas's defense. 207 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: They didn't send in troops to try and repel the Israelis, 208 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: knowing probably that they couldn't. They didn't bother. The game 209 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: had changed and shifted. And if the Israelis were gonna 210 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: take out Hamas, we'll let the Israelis do it on 211 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: their own diamond, with their own blood and treasure. You know, 212 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: that's what these other nations said. But we're not gonna 213 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: get in the way. Not getting in the way was 214 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: a major story, and they did so much to destroy Hamas, 215 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: although they're not fully destroyed yet and I want them 216 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: to be. It's now, how are you gonna rebuild Gaza? 217 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: And what do you get? The Board of peace? The 218 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: Board of Peace, ridiculous name. This is a mafia family. 219 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: These are the five families getting together and carving up 220 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: the new territory. You're gonna get this tree corner, and 221 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: you're gonna get that corner, and you're gonna get this business. No, no, no, 222 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: that business belongs to the other guy. And you know 223 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: who's trying to interrupt their business, The Iranians. They still 224 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: want to sponsor terrorism. They're gonna screw it all up. 225 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 1: These nations have an opportunity to make money. They have 226 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: an opportunity to have a life where listen. They may 227 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: hate Israel and they may hate Jews, but they don't 228 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: have to act out on it every single day. And 229 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: they get this ridiculous Iranian low LIFs off their backs. 230 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: We're gonna make money. We're gonna get protected by the 231 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: United States for our money. Screw the Iranians. Get rid 232 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: of this guy. He's a problem. And they got together. 233 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: They looked at each other and they said, Tommy's gotta go, Hey, Hey, 234 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? 235 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: Tommy's gotta go. Listen, listen, Tommy's always been nice to me, 236 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: but this is about this is business. This is business. 237 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: This is business. It's all this is. This is business, 238 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: and Tommy, Tommy's not good for business. So Tommy's gotta go. 239 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: Tommy's Hey, what are we having for lunch? We get 240 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: a mesiplate. Let's see three mesa plates? Could we that'd 241 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: be great? Thank you. And that's what happened. Nobody wants 242 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: to talk about what happened. That's what happens. There is 243 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: a straight line from the Abraham Accords through October seventh 244 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: to the Border Piece to what happened this weekend. Clear, 245 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: I swear to you, I am the first person to 246 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: engage this conversation. I get it. I won't be the last, 247 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: because I'm telling you, I don't think you are far 248 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: off from anywhere I was. This is it. The Abraham 249 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: Accords set the stage. October seventh put things in motion. 250 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: The Border Piece made the call. That's how it went down. 251 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: That's how it went down. But allow me to take 252 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: issue with Sexuary. Hegseth on one thing. 253 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 3: This is not a so called regime change war. 254 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 2: But the regime sure did change and the world is 255 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: better off for it. 256 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: The world is better off for it. But it is 257 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: a regime change war, and we shouldn't kid ourselves. It 258 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: was what it was. Now when you listen to President 259 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: Trump's initial talk from that morning, that Saturday morning, it 260 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: was very clear that you, the people have ran. You 261 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: have to take over your government. You have to do this, 262 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: you have to do that. All we did was clear 263 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: the way you're the ones who are going to change 264 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: the government. And therefore it's not regime change from us. 265 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: Of course, it's regime change from us, but it's not 266 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: just us. As I just laid out, the world said enough, 267 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: and so it was. I'm sorry, the Arab world, the 268 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: Muslim world said enough and so it is, and so 269 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: it was. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Kats today. 270 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: Oil prices of course, jumping through the absolute roof today, 271 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: Tony Katz, Tony Kats today, Good to be with you. 272 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: You got a wart You're going to have an effect 273 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: on oil production. However, just as a follow up, so 274 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: you understand that what I'm engaging here this not just 275 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 1: a philosophy. I think I've got it factual about this 276 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: Board of Peace and this decision that the Iranians can 277 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: no longer be deciding the future of the Middle East. 278 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: It's done with the with the Iatola being the hegemonic 279 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: power attempting to be in the region. Everything's got to 280 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: change why, which is why it goes back to the 281 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: Abraham Accords, Opek has decided to up production. They're calling 282 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: it a modest output hike. The point I that this 283 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: brings or or or the clear understanding here is that 284 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: they understand that war like this changes certain levels of 285 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: production and output, and they want to make sure everybody 286 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 1: knows that they're in for keeping things stable. So you 287 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: can argue that it's symbolism, but it's worthy symbolism. And 288 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: they're gonna add two hundred and six thousand barrels a day. 289 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: If Trump makes a phone call or Trump makes a statement, 290 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: that could easily be four hundred and twelve thousand barrels 291 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: a day, meaning it could be anything. I do not 292 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: know if he will. He may want to keep that 293 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: powder for another moment. But someone brought up and I 294 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: don't know who, and so I apologize. This wasn't me. 295 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: That Where this really does affect things is China. China 296 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: gets their oil from Iran and they buy. They don't 297 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: worry about sanctions, and they manipulate and everything else. What 298 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: are they gonna do? The Venezuelan oil has been cut off, 299 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: and now the Iranian oil has been cut off. What 300 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: are you cutting off? China? A thirsty country. The only 301 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: place they can get their oil from is the Russians. 302 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: There is a there's a lot of movement here. Booboo. 303 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: You are cutting off major supply to China. What are 304 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: they gonna do? You know how we beat the Russians 305 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: in the Cold War. You know how we got Gorbachev 306 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: to say, we give we lowered oil prices so much 307 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: that they couldn't make any money on their oil because, 308 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: as John McCain pointed out, Russia is nothing more than 309 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: a gas station masquerading as a country. And that's as accurate. 310 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: That's how Reagan did it. Now we're cutting off the 311 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 1: oil supply to China. Let's see how they react to everything. 312 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 1: I've got more on the attack on Iran for American 313 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: service members dead? What is the latest that's coming up? 314 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: Keep it here. This is Tony kats today. So now 315 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,959 Speaker 1: we have the clear hit on Iran, we don't have 316 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: to question whether or not it's coming. We know that 317 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: it is here. We know that for US service members 318 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: have been lost. We are fully aware that the objective 319 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: here is regime change. No matter what Pete Hegsett, the 320 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: Secretary of War, says that it's not regime changed, even 321 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: President Trump's own words want to play into the idea 322 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: that it's up to the people of Iran to run 323 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: their government and change the regime. But this was a 324 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: full on hit to take out the Ayatola and change 325 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: the game. But the people who think that this was 326 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: just because of the United States, are just because of Israel, 327 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: are missing the forest for the trees. Tony Kats, Tony 328 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: Kats today, Good to be with you. Steve Yates joins 329 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: me right now from the Heritage Foundation, where he is 330 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: a research fellow for China and National Security Policy at 331 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: the Heritage Foundation, and he has long been one of 332 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: the guys being able to well understand what's going on 333 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: in the Middle East and around the globe, not just China, 334 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: although there is Steve a rather large China component here. 335 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: But let's start with the basics. You see this hint 336 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: on Iran from the United States, what did you immediately think? 337 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 4: Well, first, when I heard the President give a very 338 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 4: comprehensive video explanation for what the mission was, I mean, 339 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 4: I just always go back to thinking about what the 340 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 4: lessons of Post nine to eleven were, and especially the 341 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 4: Iraq War were, because just like in the Post nine 342 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 4: to eleven environment, there was a shaking off the ghosts 343 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 4: of Vietnam with first Golf War and then things that 344 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 4: were happening in a lot of ways now. The way 345 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 4: President Trump was using force is throwing off the ghosts 346 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,959 Speaker 4: of the Iraq War. And so what I heard was 347 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 4: multiple reasons for why we had to act now, and 348 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 4: that the United States was not likely to be putting 349 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 4: boots on the ground, but it was bringing overwhelming force 350 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 4: in cooperation with another country, in this case Israel. And 351 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 4: then Iran's immediate response was to strike at a lot 352 00:21:55,760 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 4: of golf partners who were housing americanses. But the net 353 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 4: effect was to take those who might have been fence sitters, 354 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 4: and immediately they had a grievance once again with Iran, 355 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 4: which really reanimated what the theory behind the Abraham Accords 356 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 4: was that the prime reason why these Arab countries were 357 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 4: going to normalize relations with Israel and take this different 358 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 4: approach of maximum pressure in Iran is because Iran under 359 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 4: the theocratic regime was the existential and destabilizing force, and 360 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 4: now this military operation is aimed at ending that threat. 361 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 4: So I was impressed with how the President was couching it. 362 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 4: The major military operations have been pretty incredible to watch. 363 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 4: We've seen some very advanced weapons systems. I mean, Israel 364 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 4: has a very advanced new missile defense system that's been 365 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 4: on display that frankly should be shivering the timbers of 366 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 4: Russia and China. If our allies are willing and able 367 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 4: to share said technology with say Japan and Taiwan, the 368 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 4: scales tip in other theaters. It's not just about the 369 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 4: Middle East. But so far, I think this has been 370 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 4: judiciously executed. Sadly, we've had a few casualties, and some 371 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,719 Speaker 4: of our allies have had some difficulties, but overall, there 372 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 4: was a lot of big talk by Iran and some 373 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 4: big talk by others in the world, and now we 374 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 4: start starting to have I think the weaker leaders of 375 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 4: the world sort of admit and maybe we shouldn't have 376 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 4: just had Trump arrangement syndrome and said everything is bad, 377 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 4: and maybe we should try to be an ally of 378 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 4: the United States again. 379 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: So I spoke to you on Saturday after this happened. 380 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: I was getting ready for this large event that I 381 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: was doing Trump one year and one month later, and 382 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: the whole the parties that I often throw and I 383 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: had to include this. So you were amongst the first 384 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: people I called, and what I said to you was, 385 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: I draw the straight line from the Abraham Accords through 386 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: October seventh to the Board of Peace to this moment. 387 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: That there is a through line, and what we are 388 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: really looking at is a rethink of how we engage 389 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: diplomatically and how we engage the Middle East as a whole. 390 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: And it isn't a policy of get more violent with them. 391 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 1: It started going back to the Abraham Accords, a conversation 392 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 1: of you don't have to listen to or be afraid 393 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: of the Iranians if you want to have trade with 394 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: Israel and start having a normal world. That's where this 395 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: starts from you. I was thrilled to see agreed with 396 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: the basic tenets of where I'm at, even if you 397 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: considered it's sophomoric in my attempt to explain it, which 398 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: I appreciate you not mocking me for, but I am 399 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: onto something here this. Talk to me about what you 400 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: saw from the Abraham Accords that would set up a 401 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: rethink of the Middle East and our presentation towards it. 402 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 4: Well, it's not just that you're onto something, You're onto 403 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 4: the same thing that President Trump and the core group 404 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 4: around him in the first term we're onto for way 405 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 4: too long. The alleged expert class of the world told 406 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 4: us that you can't have peace in the Middle East 407 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 4: unless you begin with recognizing an independent state for Palestine, 408 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 4: whatever that means, and that you have to have some 409 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 4: kind of a deal that is essentially compromised with Iran. 410 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 4: So you have to super peace with Iran, whether it's 411 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 4: pallets full of cash, some kind of arms control deal, 412 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 4: but you're accepting some permanent role of Iran under the 413 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 4: theocratic leadership, playing a dominant hegemonic like role in the region. 414 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 4: And you have to begin with this notion from the 415 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 4: bottom up that there's an independent state of Palestine and 416 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 4: somehow Israel is fundamentally compromised, and from there you can 417 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 4: get to maybe broader dealings in the Middle East. And 418 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 4: President Trump wasn't buying that this first term. He was 419 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 4: one hundred percent behind the alliance with Israel and moved 420 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 4: the recognized capital in Israel, mooved our embassy to the 421 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 4: recognized capital in Israel. We stopped playing this intellectual game, 422 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 4: and we began frankly to see different reform minded leadership 423 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 4: among some of our Arab allies, and I give them 424 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 4: a lot of credit for driving this conversation. When America 425 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 4: and Israeli politics can get crazy, complicated and funky, the 426 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 4: Arab allied leadership was pretty steady in pushing what this 427 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 4: vision was because they too saw the need for a 428 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 4: definition of a reformed version of Islamic relations with a state, 429 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 4: that these nations need to be nations, not necessarily theocracies. 430 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 4: That's an incomplete experiment for a lot of them, but 431 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 4: there were voices that were talking this way, and that 432 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 4: gives the room for someone like a Trump that with 433 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 4: this board of Peace personified, they look at well, you 434 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 4: can change fundamentals by doing deals and doing meaningful things, 435 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 4: and people have skin in a different kind of future. 436 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden they realize, if we 437 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 4: build this building, we build this park, we build this 438 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 4: ice rink, all we're living together, We're doing these again. 439 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 4: All of a sudden, You're not this alien being that 440 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 4: I've been told to fear. You're the person that I've 441 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 4: been doing these things with and we're both better off 442 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 4: for it. And it's that pragmatism that I think was 443 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 4: really really behind the ethos of the Abraham Accords. The 444 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 4: UAE led the way on that in many many ways, 445 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 4: and I think we've had a revival of that with 446 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 4: getting to your dots, connecting through the travesty of October seventh, 447 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 4: the reminding people that the theocracy are on in its 448 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,479 Speaker 4: tentacles have not gone away, They're not in a box, 449 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 4: and we have to get back to this, and maybe 450 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 4: like Saudi Arabia wobbling a little bit got pulled back 451 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 4: into oh no, this is going in a bad direction 452 00:27:58,520 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 4: and something more needs to be done. 453 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 1: Talking to Stephen Yates the Heritage of Foundation, his expertise 454 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: is China research trail for China national security policy, and 455 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: China plays a huge part in this. I mean, his 456 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: expertise is in multiple places. China just happens to be 457 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: one of them. I should say, China gets oil from Iran. 458 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: China gets oils from Venezuela. China gets oil from the 459 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: ghost ships that the Russians are moving around that Venezuelan 460 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: oil avoiding sanctions, et cetera. You take out Nicholas Maduro, 461 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: you end the ghost ships, you end an oil supply. 462 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: Now you take out the Iranians. We've seen oil prices, 463 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: jump Opek said they would have a modest increase in 464 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: oil production of two hundred and six thousand barrels a day. 465 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: And that is the world really saying the our world 466 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: really saying, we're not so upset with the Iranians not 467 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: being around and bothering us anymore. This is better. But 468 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: we're not gonna go overboard until Trump pushes us to 469 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: go overboard. But you're China, a desperately thirsty nation trying 470 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: to engage growth. They have had stunted growth because of 471 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: their own COVID policies. Now you have a manufacturing slow 472 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: down the world over, which is further exacerbated the issue. 473 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: You have levels of unrest in China, which of course 474 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: are put down in a militarily, in a violent and 475 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: aggressive military type of way. Is what I should say there. 476 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: The removal of the Iranian regime, how does it affect 477 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: China and does that mean any level of changes or 478 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: destabilization in the Pacific rim? 479 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 4: I agree all of what your preamble entailed, and I 480 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 4: would only add one layer onto it, just in terms 481 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 4: of American decision making. China has long played a role 482 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 4: in helping Iran and others get around sanctions, and so 483 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 4: everything that was trying to be that was attempted on 484 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 4: arms control or counterproliferation, holding back nuclear programs, any sanctions 485 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 4: that were put in place, China was front in line 486 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 4: to undermine the effect of those kinds of pressure and sanction. 487 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 4: And so there's the supply issue that you actually are 488 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 4: pointing to that China's discounted access to vast quantities of 489 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 4: oil that is profoundly affected by all of this. And 490 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 4: I think that the next realm that has to play 491 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 4: out is what happens with these resources. If the Venezuelan 492 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 4: oil is genuinely put to good use for the people 493 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 4: of Venezuela and it doesn't look like it was just 494 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 4: taken into America or trunk inc as a lot of 495 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,959 Speaker 4: his critics try to accuse. And if Iranian resources are 496 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 4: put back to help the Iranian people, that's another area 497 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 4: where it really knocks the legs out from under the 498 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 4: theory that the Chinese Communist Talent Party has been selling 499 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 4: to its people and the world about what in America 500 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 4: is in decline, that we're just out there with sort 501 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 4: of radical disruptive leadership taking things for ourselves when we're 502 00:30:54,960 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 4: ending protracted problems and maybe turning resources back to good purposes. 503 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 4: That's a cancerous idea inside China, because hundreds of millions 504 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 4: of people in China are not benefiting from the bright 505 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 4: and shining cities, They're not benefiting from the world class 506 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 4: GDP producing manufacturing hubs. They're still in grinding situations where 507 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 4: they don't share in that dream. The perpetual promise is 508 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 4: there to them. So the bursting of these bubbles has 509 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 4: an effect in China. Again. We've sort of come back 510 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 4: on China, though, where we are dependent on whether their 511 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 4: top leader is rational and the people around them at 512 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 4: the leadership level of CCP irrational. There's been a purge 513 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 4: in the military that should signal well, maybe this isn't 514 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 4: the best time to act. They've seen some of their 515 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 4: hardware and communications systems operate to no avail in Venezuela 516 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 4: and Iran. That would be a sobriety checkpoint you would 517 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 4: think in a rational world, about are we really ready 518 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 4: to go up to with all its flaws, still the 519 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 4: most lethal and effective intelligence and military complex in the world, 520 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 4: And if a lot of the things we've been promising 521 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 4: to others, we've got these two conflicts, and what's China's 522 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 4: role been but a sidelined observer and issue of angry 523 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 4: letters when it came to Venezuela and Iran. That's not 524 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 4: exactly the power move that they've been trying to sell 525 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 4: with their people and their neighbors. So I'd like to 526 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 4: believe that while I don't think it as the prime 527 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 4: move or motivation by the President and others to do 528 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,719 Speaker 4: what they've done with Iran, I think that effect is 529 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 4: improving our options set to deter China. But I also 530 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 4: hope that it's a wake up call to us. We 531 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 4: only have this because we won tech races of the past. 532 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 4: We've won military modernizations of the past. We've got to 533 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 4: win the AI war and the space war of the 534 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 4: future if we're going to be able to do for 535 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 4: ourselves what we see Israel in the United States doing 536 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 4: for others. 537 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: Now, before I let you go talking to Stephen Yates 538 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: of the Heritage of Foundation, World reaction is no one 539 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: rushing to the side of the Ayatola. You don't see 540 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: this from Arab nations, and you talk about how Iran 541 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: lashed out at them, preventing them from even coming to 542 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: their side, which is a, you're right crazed. What's the 543 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: next leadership of Iran? Is the crown prince coming back 544 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: as you see it or in about sixty seconds? What 545 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: is the next move? What can we expect to see? 546 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,239 Speaker 4: Well, there's what we would like to see, which is 547 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 4: the free people of Iran getting their wish and having 548 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 4: no remnants of an evil regime playing a role in 549 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 4: real life and in the options that we have in 550 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 4: the near future. I think the Trump administration is looking for, 551 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 4: are there remnants of institutions that might be reform minded, 552 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 4: that might be able to work in the way the 553 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 4: remnants in Venezuela have for different results, to then work 554 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 4: toward a transit where there's true liberation and no more 555 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 4: of a legacy of this regime. But the Persian culture 556 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 4: is not naturally Islamist. There's a foundation on which to 557 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 4: work and build, and those people don't want an Islamist 558 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 4: inheritor to the Iatola's regime, and so I think that's 559 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 4: where we have to have our partners in the world 560 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,240 Speaker 4: play more of a role economically and politically and helping 561 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 4: read and shape this and empower those people. We're doing 562 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 4: the break it part, but the rest of the world's 563 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,760 Speaker 4: going to have to do their part in the build 564 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 4: up and securing that future for the Iranian people. 565 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 1: Steve and Yates to the Heritage Foundation. I appreciate taking 566 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: the time to be with us. More is coming up 567 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: on Tony Katz, and this is Tony Katz Today. One 568 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 1: of the things to be watching for is the Texas 569 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,760 Speaker 1: primary tomorrow. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today got a little, 570 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,280 Speaker 1: you know, sidestepped today because of everything going on with Iran, 571 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: and it's going to be be huge. And there are 572 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: some polls that show tall Rico ahead of Jasmine Crockett, 573 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,280 Speaker 1: and there are some polls that show Ken Paxton ahead 574 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: of John Cornyn. I'm not saying I'm the biggest corning 575 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: guy in the guy in the world. I am saying 576 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: that if if Cornyn isn't the guy and Paxton is, 577 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: Paxton is the guy who is most beatable for the Republicans, 578 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: Not Wesley Hunt, not John Gordon, It's Paxton. And I 579 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: don't know if you want Paxxon against tal Rico or Crockett, 580 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,360 Speaker 1: because if tall Rico actually gets this nomination, it's not 581 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: that he's smart, it's just going to be more difficult, 582 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: Paxton tall Rico, I think that's how you pronounced the 583 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,439 Speaker 1: Democrats last name. Not gonna be easy, way too hard 584 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: of an uphill battle. I don't like it, Cornyn. He 585 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: doesn't do everything I like it, doesn't vote every way 586 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: I like, it's an easier road. I don't know what 587 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: the Texans are going to do tomorrow, but man, everyone 588 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: has gotten to be watching. It's gonna be very interesting 589 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 1: to see what happens. Maybe the end of Crockett's political future. 590 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: Maybe find everything at Tonycotts dot com. Smorrow, Everyone take 591 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: care