1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: Live from the Heart, Blind and the Crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: It's Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 2: Apartment of Health, in partnership with the Governor, is going 4 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 2: to be working to end all vaccine mandates in. 5 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: Florida, LA. All of them. 6 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: All of them, every last one of them is wrong 7 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 2: and drips with disdain and slavery. Okay, who am I 8 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 2: as a government or anyone else? Or who am I 9 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 2: is a man standing here now to tell you what 10 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: you should put in your body? 11 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: Is this what we meant when we said it's wrong 12 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: to force the COVID vaccine on people? I mean, did 13 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: we really mean to say that kids shouldn't get an 14 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: MMR vaccine, mumps, measles rebella, that they shouldn't get a 15 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: polio vaccine? Is this really what we meant? I'm asking, 16 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: I'm curious, Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be 17 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: with you. Find everything at Tony Katz dot com. That 18 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: was the Florida Surgeon General, Joseph Lodoppo. He was appointed 19 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one by Governor Ron DeSantis, directing the 20 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: Florida Department of Health to eliminate all vaccine directives issued 21 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: by the Health agency. So you know as well as 22 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: I do. Your kids are going to school. You went 23 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: to school, you had to have certain vaccinations. Going to college, 24 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: you have certain vaccinations. There has long been a conversation 25 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: about vaccines and autism. I have always taken a look 26 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: at that and said, yeah, I'm not a believer. I'm 27 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: not a buyer. I didn't say other people couldn't be buyers. 28 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: My overall argument on vaccines, actual vaccines, to which the 29 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: COVID vaccine is not a vaccine, is that we are 30 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: better off with than without. And I think we have 31 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: proven that throughout our history, whether it be smallpox or 32 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: our whole host of things. Now, we've also proven in 33 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: our history that it is very hard to trust the 34 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: government you want. Only one doesn't have to go to 35 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: COVID to believe this. Let's go back to the Tuskegee 36 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: experiments and say, my god, what the bloody hell did 37 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: we actually do to people? What we did to black 38 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: men in America is so insane. There isn't enough jail 39 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: there is there aren't enough polls to hang these so 40 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: called doctors. From between nineteen thirty two and nineteen seventy two, 41 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: the US Public Health Service and the Centers for Disease 42 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: Control basically gave syphilis to black men, not all black men, 43 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: a control group of black men. By the way, that's 44 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: still too many, because one would be too many. It's 45 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: an insane story. It's psychotic. There's a reason not to trust. 46 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: And by the way, when you see that there are 47 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: black men and black women who don't go to doctors, 48 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: don't want to hear doctors won't take this, won't take that. 49 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: They have a basis. And if you remember, during COVID 50 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: we actually discussed this, there's an actual basis. And what 51 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: I said is I can't force them too. I can't 52 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: help them. If they want to think that that's the 53 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: story now they can. I cannot stop them from doing it. 54 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: But holy cow, there's a real basis for the insanity. 55 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: And now for all Americans, there is a You told 56 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: us about COVID, and you lied about a lot, and 57 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: we should be clear. The lie was not that you 58 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: were learning on the fly and you thought this, and 59 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: it's really that. So, for example, one of the ways 60 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: that COVID was dealt with when people had real breathing 61 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: issues was intubation. The indubation led to death, indubation did 62 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: not work, and doctors will tell you this point blank. 63 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: Am I mad at a doctor for going down that road? Absolutely, 64 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: not one thousand percent. No, they were dealing with what 65 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: was walking through the door and trying to engage their 66 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: best practices to dealing with it. Anybody who's angry about that, 67 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: even if you lost loved ones, to which I am sorry, 68 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: I don't think that's something that you actually get to 69 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: be angry about the CDC not being honest about what 70 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: it is that they were seeing, lying about six feet 71 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: of separation, lying about masks, because it was Anthony Fauci 72 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 1: at the NIH saying masks have no efficacy, don't use masks, 73 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: don't waste them, save them for the hospital personnel. To 74 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, everybody has to wear a mask. 75 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: You always have to wear a mask, unless Fauci is 76 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: out at a Washington Nationals baseball game, in which case 77 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: he doesn't need a mask. And everything is That is 78 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: when you lost the people. It is when you failed 79 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: to engage honestly from the podium. It's when Fauci and 80 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: doctor Burkes, who at the first I thought was like 81 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: the only adult in the room. When doctor Burks b 82 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: I RX a woman Deborah Burks with the scarves. When 83 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: she first started talking and doing these things, I'm like, 84 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: she's the one that people are gonna connect with. She's 85 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: the one that people are gonna believe. What was to believe? 86 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: You lied about everything. You wouldn't even be honest about 87 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: the origins. And when we said this came from China 88 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: and the Wuhan lab, and people said, well, you can't 89 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: say that that's racist. 90 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: Racist. 91 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: It's a level of insanity to say that it's racist. 92 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: Every rational person knows that this came from a lab 93 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: in Wuhn. 94 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: No. 95 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: I do not think it was leaked purposefully. I think 96 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: it leaked because they're communists and they can't do anything right. 97 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,039 Speaker 1: And when they realized it leaked, they didn't tell the 98 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: world and warn the world and stop travel. They said, 99 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: let's buy all the personal protective equipment the PPE that 100 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: we can, and then we'll resell it to people and 101 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: make a profit. Screw them. I hope they all die. 102 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: And that's exactly what they did. This is the communist 103 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: Chinese government at work. You could have said so, CDC, 104 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: You could have said so doctor Fauci. You could have 105 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: been honest and you weren't. And you weren't, And the 106 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: fallout from this is a total lack of faith in 107 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: vaccines because you CDC, FAUCI, NIH, media, etc. You wouldn't 108 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: let people talk about it, you wouldn't let share people 109 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: share information on social media. I'm a guy who never 110 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: paid attention to the Very's report. That's where people do 111 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: their own reporting, because I always thought that there's no 112 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: way that that's valid. That is absolutely skewed. And I did, 113 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: and I would so argue it to this day. I 114 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: absolutely pushed it to the side. I won't claim I 115 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: did something I didn't. I won't claim I didn't do 116 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: something when I did, But I said, why can't we 117 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: discuss these things without that? Why can't we still discuss it. 118 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: I'm on the record here, and so what they did 119 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: is they took the faith away from the people. We 120 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: don't trust the government agencies. We don't trust the government agencies. 121 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: And I would say, in large measure, we're right not 122 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: to trust the government agencies. What have they done that's trustworthy? 123 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: But is this what we meant not giving our kids 124 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,239 Speaker 1: any vaccines? Now? I also should be clear that isn't 125 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: what the doctor said what the Surgeon General said of 126 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: Florida La DAPO is that we aren't going to mandate it. 127 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: People can still get their kids vaccinated, and I would 128 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: argue kids, people should still get their kids vaccinated. I 129 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: will tell you that when my kids were young, you know, 130 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: really babies, and there's this whole regiment of vaccines. Oh, 131 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: you should do this, and that all ones. My wife 132 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: looked at it and I looked at each other. We said, 133 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: that's nuts. That is way too much to put into 134 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: this little baby. We want to spread this out. And 135 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: we went to our doctor and said, we want to 136 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: spread this out and our doctor said, great, how about this, 137 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: was like, well, what about that? And then she rewrote 138 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: it was like perfect, let's do that so we could 139 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: see how the vaccine affected our kid. And I think 140 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: I think there was something we didn't do, and I 141 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: don't recall what it is right now, but we did 142 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: make that decision, and we actually lived in Florida at 143 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: the time. I don't know if I want a society 144 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: that isn't taking these vaccines. I still, if we're talking 145 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: about science, the herd of vaccination concept works, and we're 146 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: better off. So I look at this and I say, 147 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: I understand its origins, I understand its basis, and I 148 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: understand the Surgeon General statements. Are we sure we want this? 149 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: Are we sure we want people not getting vaccinated or 150 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: not vaccinating their kids on things like polio? Are we 151 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: sure on that? I'm going to tell you, do not 152 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: follow crowds. Follow you and your doctor and your own 153 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 1: study and your own research. I am not a medical professional. 154 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: I am not the guide to we trusted on this thing. 155 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: But as a matter of a guy who deals with 156 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: the ramifications like you do of public health, maybe eliminating 157 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: a mandate is different than saying one shouldn't take a vaccine, 158 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: and people should know that difference, and we should ask 159 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: ourselves what is right for our kids. And I'm in 160 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: favor of a vast majority of vaccines. I'm happy to 161 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 1: debate it. Not everything is perfect, but you should be 162 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: able to debate it too. We'll keep up with the story, 163 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: keep it here. This is Tony Katz today.