1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: So there's a push in this country that's very prominent 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: about curving a legal immigration. Is legal immigration next? Our 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 1: next guest says that could be on the horizon. Kennell 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: A Casey Show. I'm Rob Casey's here. Our old pal 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: Jacob Stewart. Columnist Indy Star joins us now has a 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: new piece on this on a group that is targeting 7 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: legal immigration in the state of Indiana. Jacob Stewart, Hello, 8 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: thanks for having me on. All Right, so you're talking 9 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: about this group. They're an anti immigration nonprofit, but you're 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: saying the future could not only be anti immigration, it 11 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: could be how we handle legal immigration, right. 12 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,599 Speaker 2: And I think that was just confirmed last night when 13 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: the Vice President spoke about how we need to bring 14 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 2: vastly lower numbers of immigrants into the country, and he 15 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: pretty much reiterated many of the talking points that I 16 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 2: heard from this nonprofit, Safe Heritage Indiana. 17 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: Okay, So tell us about the group real quick before 18 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: we get into the topic of this save the Save 19 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: Heritage Indiana. Sure. 20 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: So it was founded by Daniel Point and Nathan Roberts. 21 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: So Daniel Pointer was or is the executive director of 22 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: Carbon Neutral Indiana, which is a climate Change Group and 23 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 2: Nathan Roberts, We're. 24 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: Going to be involved in this, isn't it? 25 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: It is? I actually met him, I believe it was 26 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two at a meeting of the Citizens Climate Lobby. 27 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 2: Needless to say, I did not expect to reconnect with 28 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 2: him to interview him about this group. But then there's 29 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: there's Nathan Roberts, who is actually the twin brother of 30 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 2: Nick Roberts, who's a Democrat on the City County Council. 31 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: And everyone that I've talked to about this has said, wow, 32 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 2: that must be some interesting thanksgivings. 33 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: Because they are literally identical twins, right, right, And the 34 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: one brother's a Democrat on the Indianapols City Cuty Council 35 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: and the other one is I think it's fair to say, 36 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: is very conservative, right yeah. Okay, So they have teamed 37 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: up for this group, and their focus is on how 38 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: we deal with people legally in the country, right. 39 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: They are addressed saying both legal and illegal immigration. Some 40 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: of the things they threw out as policy suggestions to 41 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: me were a thirty year federal moratorium on immigration, so 42 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 2: ending all federal immigration. 43 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: Illegal correct, yeah, yeah, and using. 44 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: Many many of the same things I heard from the 45 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 2: Vice President to back that up, that idea, and then 46 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 2: also some more state level focused things like Universal Everify, 47 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 2: also called the Fairness Act. If you'll remember, Tom Homan 48 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: was here a couple of weeks ago at the state House. 49 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 2: Borders are right, Yeah, he was discussing this very act 50 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: because it is it's kind of been a quintessential piece 51 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: of state level immigration reform for the Trump administration. And 52 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: so that's another thing that they said they support. And 53 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: I really think that we had to build this last 54 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: legislative session that would have done so that would have 55 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: had this Universal Everify, and it ended up getting killed 56 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: in the committee of Senator Lizbroe in the Senate. And 57 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: I talked to some other people and they kind of 58 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: pointed to that as a reason why we shouldn't be 59 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: shocked that a group like this is forming. You know, 60 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 2: some people are perceiving that the legislator legislatures is just 61 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: not taking action that they should on what they perceive 62 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 2: to be reasonable immigration reform. And so now we have 63 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 2: a group like this. 64 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: Okay, So Jacob Cheer from Andy Starters our guests, he 65 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: has a new piece that's very interesting about it's about 66 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: this group this forum, they're targeting illegal immigration, but also 67 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 1: legal immigration in this country. Now, we talk about this 68 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: on our show all the time. We say, if you 69 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: live in a suburban community in civil India, there's a 70 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: good chance if you go to your Walmart, it's going 71 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: to look markedly different than it did ten years ago. 72 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: Is there a case to be made that because of 73 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: legal immigration, people who can freely assimilate into society. But 74 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: many times they're not here for good, right, Like they're 75 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: not good, not like that they're trying to do bad, 76 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: but they're not here like permanently. They're at least HP 77 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: one visas or whatever that they are changing the makeup 78 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: of communities, the culture of communities without having to have 79 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: long term universal buy in. 80 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: You know, that's a great question. If you look at 81 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: our current immigration system. A lot of what we have, 82 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 2: like these work visa programs, originate from eighties and nineties Reaganomics, 83 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 2: the idea that you know, to support businesses, we need 84 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 2: to bring in more people from out of the country 85 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 2: to solve labor shortages, to you know, increased productivity and whatnot. 86 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 2: And then more recently, you know, it's been a question 87 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: of how do you even define legal and illegal immigration. 88 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: Under the Biden administration, there was a i think a 89 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 2: quadrupling of people that were let in under the refugee program, 90 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 2: and it just it created an environment where it's it's 91 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 2: not shocking that we're having discussions like this. 92 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: And so yeah, Jacob Sewart from Mindee Star is our guest. Okay, 93 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: So you know, and I think about this, like, I 94 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: grew up in a little bitty town on the way 95 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: side of Indianapolis. I still live in that town. I 96 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: live one house next to the house I grew up in. 97 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: I'm starting my own compound on that street. But I 98 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: look at that town and there it is nothing like 99 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: the place I grew up. And I get that growth happens, 100 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: but part of the explosive largely out of control residential growth. 101 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: There are literally neighborhoods in my community where if you 102 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 1: go into that neighborhood and you can drive around and 103 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: stop and talk to people, a huge portion of these 104 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: people and they will straight up tell you are here 105 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: as I mean, at least not permanent citizens of this country. 106 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: And you see the sort of the remakes of these 107 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: communities and nothing that is people are doing anything wrong. 108 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: They've been invited to come in. They're not doing anything wrong. 109 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: They're filling out all the paperwork, they're following all the rules. 110 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: But you look at this and you say, man, there's 111 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: been a literal changing of the landscape, and a lot 112 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: of it it's easy to boogeyman these illegal immigrants, but 113 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: much of it we as a Americans, we as Hoosiers 114 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: have sort of signed off on, right. 115 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 2: And again it goes back to that economic growth aspect 116 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 2: and the prevailing policy among Republicans and Democrats for for years. 117 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 2: And I think that also, you know, goes back to 118 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 2: you kind of touched on the issue of integration. When 119 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: you when you view immigration solely as a means of 120 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 2: fueling economic growth, you're the predominant group of people that 121 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 2: you're going to be bringing in our laborers. Yeah, and 122 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 2: so that's why when you are looking at populous like 123 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: the Save Heritage Indiana group, there's a lot of questions about, oh, 124 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 2: are they taking opportunities from people who were born here? 125 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 2: And we're starting to see a shift away from that, 126 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 2: I think under the Trump administration changing some of these 127 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 2: work visa programs to be more focused on investors and 128 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 2: bringing investors in with lot with lots of capital to 129 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 2: great opportunities rather than take them. 130 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: Is part of the problem. Though you can't put the 131 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: genie back in the bottle, right like, So a very 132 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: high profile this person will be tard and feathered if 133 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: it ever came out of They associated with me, so 134 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: we'll never public name them. But a very prominent liberal, 135 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say public education leader told 136 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: me that a major issue public schools are having in 137 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: Central Indiana is that there will be these developments and 138 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: they will look at a price point and a home 139 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: and they will say, well, it's a five hundred thousand 140 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: dollars home. This is gonna be a huge win for 141 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: our community. That's more than the services cost. Way to win. 142 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: But the problem is these people that are living in 143 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: these homes are oftentimes these foreign workers who are not 144 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: here permanently. They're not citizens of this country, and they 145 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: will live three or four families to a home, and 146 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: so that five hundred thousand dollars home, if it produces 147 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: four or five kids to the school system, actually becomes 148 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: the equivalent of one hundred and one hundred fifty thousand 149 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: dollars home, which is not paying for the services those 150 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: people are using. 151 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And I haven't looked too much into that issue, 152 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 2: but I'm sure you know, again with the integration factor, 153 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 2: when people aren't here in the country permanently, there's less 154 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 2: of a reason to integrate into the community. 155 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 3: Jacob, I'm wondering what sort of effect it will have 156 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 3: that Nathan Roberts is related to Nick Roberts. They're on 157 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 3: polar sides of the political spectrum. Yeah. 158 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 2: I mean that's an interesting thing, you know, in terms 159 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: of the average Democrat voter. I don't know if that 160 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: will give them pause. He's been very clear that he 161 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 2: disagrees sharply with his brother, right, right, right, You can't 162 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: pick your family. I think it's really interesting. You know, 163 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 2: I majored in neuroscience in college, and you know, this 164 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: is the type of dynamic in neuroscience. 165 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: That sounds like you should be making a lot more 166 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: than you're making as a newspaper writer. That sort of degree, you. 167 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 3: Know, probably less. 168 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 2: I mean, the stem fields these days, unless you have 169 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 2: like a doctorates, you can't make a whole My degrees 170 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 2: in general studies. 171 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: Casey, is it? 172 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 3: Congratulations? So mine was in marketing and broadcasting. So I'm 173 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 3: going to say that Jacob is still the smartest one. 174 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: In the O. There's no doubt. No, you can just 175 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: walk into a room and you say that guy's the 176 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: smartest guy here. Hey, before I let you go. So 177 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: this group can they succeed? What does success look like 178 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 1: for them? What do they want? 179 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: I think success is building an institution these They were 180 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 2: very clear to me that, you know, if you are 181 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 2: a hospital lobbyist, you can just go to a hospital, 182 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 2: eight hospitals, maybe get fifty grand to be a lobbyist 183 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 2: for them. With the immigration issue, there's there's really not 184 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 2: many out there that are focusing on that. And so 185 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 2: if they're able to build an institution that's able to 186 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 2: fund itself from the rather diffuse support that there is 187 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 2: for anti immigration policies, I think that will bess a 188 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: success in and of itself. And if they can be 189 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 2: a consistent voice in the state House for legislators who 190 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 2: may already be anti immigration, for them to have something 191 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 2: to point to and be like, well, you know, we 192 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: have this institution that agrees with us, and it gives 193 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 2: legitimacy to the cause, I think, and I think that's 194 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 2: exactly what would be success for them. 195 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 3: Don't you think that what jd Vance has been saying 196 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 3: lately will give legitimacy as well. 197 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 2: Oh one percent. I had mentioned this earlier that his 198 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 2: discussion last night. Yeah, specifically, he cited many of the 199 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 2: same points that Save Heritage Indiana did to me in 200 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 2: our conversation, talking about, you know, becoming one community and 201 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 2: things like that when looking at immigration policy. So I 202 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 2: think I think for sure that that gives me confirmation 203 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: that that's sort of where we're the Republican Party is heading. 204 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: Jacob Stewart find him over at indistar dot com. New column, 205 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: new anti immigration nonprofit signals future of Indiana GOP. Thank you, yep, 206 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: thank you. 207 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 3: It's Kennelyn Casey on ninety three WIBC.