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Speaker 1: A Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your week

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Speaker 1: with us again. Later, former FBI agent doctor Tyrone Powers.

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Speaker 1: Tyrone Powers will be here in our classroom. Doctor Powers

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Speaker 1: will analyze the recent meeting of the nation's top generals

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Speaker 1: and members of the Trump administration. Doctor Powers will also

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Speaker 1: discuss the role of FBI agents and other law enforcement

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Speaker 1: agencies supporting the ICE agents on the streets of our cities.

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Speaker 1: For doctor Powers, though, scientists and medical doctor Keith Crawford

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Speaker 1: will explain why prostate cancer disproportionately impacts black men. To

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Speaker 1: get us started though this Monday morning, Baltimore betavist Kim

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Speaker 1: Poole will join us momentarily, but let's get Kevin to

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Speaker 1: open the classroom door for us. Grand Rising Kevin, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to brand new week.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Grand Rising Carl Nelson Man, we're feeling victorious this morning,

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Speaker 2: all of us commanders fans.

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Speaker 3: What can I say?

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Speaker 2: Twenty seven ten on this Monday, the sixth of October.

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Speaker 2: It's a great feeling when the commanders win. It's all

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Speaker 2: I can say.

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Speaker 1: It shows and it was a great game too, because

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Speaker 1: you know they came for it behind, so it looked good.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know people have their doubts, but I'm

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Speaker 1: sure Commanders fans all along knew that they would pull

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Speaker 1: it out. But you know, for a while they look

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Speaker 1: kind of iffy, but they did pull it out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I must admit that I fell asleep during during

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Speaker 2: the losing part of the game.

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Speaker 1: Ye know. The comeback was great? Uh and bread then again,

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Speaker 1: the Chargers helped the quarterback throwing a pick in the

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Speaker 1: dying moments. It didn't help either, so happened.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh oh, I see.

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Speaker 2: It's always good to see an interception though, and that's

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Speaker 2: exciting in football.

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Speaker 1: Well, that depends on what team you're on. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: Charges fans were Charges fans were probably mightily upset because

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Speaker 1: they were down there close to the goal line and

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Speaker 1: they did you throw a pick? Lie? Why don't you

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Speaker 1: just run the ball in? I mean you just who

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Speaker 1: made that call? I mean, come, the quarterback do a snake?

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Speaker 1: Couldn't he hand it off? Couldn't you keep running? But

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Speaker 1: he threw and he threw a pick, and he kept

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Speaker 1: throwing when they were down there and near the end

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Speaker 1: so on, So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: So you know, newsflash, they got those coaches on the

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Speaker 2: side for a reason, right, And they say do the

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Speaker 2: run opposed to the past, and so they've got to

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Speaker 2: do that. And so meanwhile, it was good news for

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Speaker 2: the hometown team. And you know, that's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: But look, I did not ask how are you feeling,

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Speaker 2: my brother?

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Speaker 1: Oh oh, to my microphone. I'm still learning, Kevin, I'm

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Speaker 1: still learning the microphone. Turn on the microphone. But here

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Speaker 1: here too. You know, we got to credit the Commander's

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Speaker 1: defense as well, because they did that goal. Lion stand

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Speaker 1: was really incredible. So yeah, so you got to credit

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Speaker 1: them this round, right, right, because.

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Speaker 2: They are envisioning being in the playoffs and and winning

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Speaker 2: the championship this year.

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Speaker 3: They're envisioning it. So that's how you manifest things.

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Speaker 2: You know, you think positively and you continually work consistently

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Speaker 3: That's that's the way I see it, man.

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Speaker 1: But Kevin, meanwhile, up the road, the Ravens have some problems.

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Speaker 1: You know, they lost to the Texans forty fourteen. They

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Speaker 1: and they've just lost another game and next week, uh,

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Speaker 1: while the Commanders will play Baltimore. So you know, those

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Speaker 1: that's that's over, Like the coaches that will tell them

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Speaker 1: Forget about that. Let's let's look for the upcoming games.

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Speaker 1: For the Commanders, they play Chicago and also the Ravens

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Speaker 2: Anyway, this isn't a sports report, broh.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about the government shut down.

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, let's talk about the shutdown, Kevin, what is.

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Speaker 3: Going on with that? Come on, Congress, get to act together.

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Speaker 2: It's the fifth day of the government shut down, and

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Speaker 2: President Donald Trump has embraced the political battle. He tow

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Speaker 1: And you know, let me tell me, here's the second Keviny.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's telling CNN that, but all the polls

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Speaker 1: So he's trying to reverse that narrative because all the polls,

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Speaker 1: So he gone on CNN. Hopefully he's trying to because

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Speaker 1: If you notice, you know, people call that state media.

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Speaker 1: we're winning, we're winning. You know, they blaming the Democrats

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's incredible just watching this non work in Congress,

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Speaker 2: because aren't they the majority. Aren't the Republicans the majority?

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Speaker 2: All they needed was what three maybe four Democrats to

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Speaker 2: Trump tells the Navy sailors.

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Speaker 1: Well, before you go to the sailors, you know, before

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Speaker 1: think if they shutdown, if they a federal employees didn't

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Speaker 1: I just most of them earn more money than the

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Speaker 1: And then the ripple effect that this takes you know,

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Speaker 1: your credit. That means the cleaners doesn't get paid. He

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Speaker 1: his employees. So the ripple effect that the people, the

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Speaker 1: people aren't talking about the shutdown is to the economy.

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Speaker 1: But go ahead, Yeah, that's.

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Speaker 3: True, that's true, Carl.

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Speaker 2: We don't want to overlook the fact that you know,

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Speaker 2: it's it's paycheck to paycheck and yet there's no paycheck coming.

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Speaker 2: So that can definitely cause quite an effect on people

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Speaker 2: that are shut off that I shut down, but they're

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Speaker 2: part of the shutdown right now and with no end

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Speaker 2: in sight. It's just unreal it's surrealistic.

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Speaker 3: Is that a good word for it.

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Speaker 2: So, getting back to the Navy, you know, because being

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Speaker 2: a former Navy guy myself, the President told the service

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Speaker 2: members who may be concerned about their pay during the shutdown, now,

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Speaker 2: don't worry, don't worry about it. We will get our

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Speaker 2: service members every last penny. That's what he said. And

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Speaker 2: he's got a big round of applause and cheers from

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Speaker 2: the crowd. While addressing the attendees of the two hundred

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Speaker 2: and fiftieth anniversary of the United States Navy in my

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Speaker 2: and even more because I'm supporting the across the board

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Speaker 1: What do you think of that? Well, they applaud that.

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Speaker 1: But on the other hand, too, he's talked about he's

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Speaker 1: Navy applaud that they're going to get a raise, and

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Speaker 1: So we'll see.

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Speaker 2: And meanwhile, it's still continually playing the blame game.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't me, it was them.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't us, it was them, it wasn't them, it

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Speaker 3: It's it's just incredible, man.

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Speaker 1: But you know what came. That's interesting that you say that,

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Speaker 1: because at some point you've got to take self responsibility.

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Speaker 1: You can't find Biden. You know, everything it's Biden's it's

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Speaker 1: So even if it is even if you could pin

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Speaker 1: the mistake or whatever the problem on buying, you can't

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Speaker 1: do it. All the time. You've been in there now

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Speaker 1: quite a bit. You've can effect changed that you said

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Speaker 1: it just botherles the mind that people some people will

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Speaker 1: still buy that and it's still using that crutches. It's

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Speaker 1: Biden's economy. It's a Biden who did this? Is by

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Speaker 1: you know, it's just man, come on, what did you do?

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Speaker 3: You know you signed up for the gig to be

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Speaker 3: a leader.

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Speaker 2: Now lead, So I'm gonna say that's the way it

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Speaker 2: is coll because we could go on and on with this.

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Speaker 2: It's the sixth of October six twelve, and we've got

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Speaker 2: Kim Poole's standing. Thanks for your time.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Kevin. Thanks you keep us updated on what's going

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Speaker 1: on in the world. This morning, family, let's bring in

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Speaker 1: our next guest. She's a cultural if you will, or

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Speaker 1: reparations advocate coming out of Baltimore. Kim Pool. Welcome back

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Speaker 5: Wow, thank you, Carl. I didn't realize reparations was added

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Speaker 5: to my title.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 5: I guess our organization has done an awful lot this

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Speaker 5: year in light of the fact that this is the

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Speaker 5: African Union's Year of reparations and reparatory justice for Africans

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Speaker 5: on the continent and in the diaspoor where we are,

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Speaker 5: and I think now it's important for us to realize

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Speaker 5: that connection between your work or our work, whatever work

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Speaker 5: you're doing, being able to find it on that reparatory

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Speaker 5: justice a healing spectrum. I think it is important. So

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Speaker 5: I guess it's okay if you add that to the title.

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Speaker 1: You land all right twenty five to the top there. Bob

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Speaker 10: Sure. I want to give it a shit to sister Kim.

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Speaker 5: took that same passionate energy and put it towards developing

435
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Speaker 5: our reparative future. When we have ninety percent of the

436
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 5: best minds only reacting to what's being given to us,

437
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 5: responding to the stimuli of someone else's agenda, we'll never

438
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Speaker 5: be prepared for our world remaking exercise. Reparations is a

439
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:31,199
Speaker 5: world remaking exercise, and that takes creativity. We have to

440
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Speaker 5: get prepared for that process, and so we need ninety

441
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Speaker 5: percent of the best minds to be focused on what's next,

442
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 5: not preoccupied with what's put into the media. I heard

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Speaker 5: the conversation where me tell me.

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Speaker 1: In for a second before we go down that street,

445
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 1: can do they sort of identify you with Donald Trump

446
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: and what he's doing or they understand that you're not

447
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 1: with that.

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00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 5: No, no, no, they get it. The world sees us

449
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 5: in South Africa. They greet you in the Zulu nation

450
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 5: with soul Buona. That's it's literal translation is I see

451
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 5: you and saul Buna is present. They understand clearly that

452
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Speaker 5: you are not the America that we're talking about. That's

453
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Speaker 5: why we look at us, Kim. We can laugh about

454
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 5: this together, can't we. But the truth is is that

455
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Speaker 5: I was the first stop on Wall Street, and this

456
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 5: America is a sinking ship. And when the rise and

457
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 5: decline of this empire goes down, we're going to be

458
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 5: on the bottom barrel of this ship the same way

459
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Speaker 5: we were when they brought us here against our will,

460
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Speaker 5: if we don't figure out strategies. So I laugh to

461
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Speaker 5: keep from crying. Because though they see me as a

462
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 5: way in a part of the institution that is America,

463
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Speaker 5: I am American, I'm African American. My ancestors, blood, sweat

464
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 5: and tears built this country and my family lived here.

465
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Speaker 5: I'm from Baltimore. And so as much as we travel

466
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 5: as an organization and every other region that we work,

467
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 5: when the dollar goes down in Ghana, that means higher

468
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Speaker 5: bills for us as an organization that is resourcing that area.

469
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Speaker 5: And though we're working cooperatively and we're building structures where

470
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Speaker 5: we're working, you know, as a cultural cooperative, that is

471
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Speaker 5: still a trajectory that's being actualized in real time. And

472
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 5: so I don't think they truly understand that. I too,

473
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 5: sing America and what that love hate relationship is like,

474
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 5: because even as a people, we're still trying to understand it.

475
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 7: It's like being.

476
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Speaker 5: Married to an abusive husband. It's like, I can't divorce you.

477
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 5: Everybody looks at me and they're like, why don't you

478
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 5: just leave him? But it's like, listen, that's my house,

479
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 5: that where the kids are. I can't burn it down.

480
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 5: I still live inside.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's an answer analogy right there that you put kid,

482
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Speaker 1: and you put it right on the money at thirty

483
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Speaker 1: thirty minutes after the top down. Because I have this conversation,

484
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Speaker 1: you sort of do the dry bond it about you know,

485
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Speaker 1: the tipping point of it as far as this country

486
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Speaker 1: is and may go down, And some of the folks

487
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Speaker 1: were the conversation was centered on, so what do we

488
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Speaker 1: do because you know, Rome went down the British the

489
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Speaker 1: United Kingdom. For you, it went down and still they

490
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Speaker 1: survived after it. So what do we what move it for?

491
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Speaker 1: And these are the questions you're asking me, And I

492
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: figured i'd ask you, what do you think some of

493
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Speaker 1: the things we should be doing if it does happen?

494
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Speaker 1: Because people are predicting that it's going to happen. But

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Speaker 1: what do we do as black folks? We're here, Like

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Speaker 1: you said, we're sort of conflicted because we're here and

497
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Speaker 1: we're not here. We're we're part of it, we're not

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Speaker 1: part of it, and that's part of the confusion. So

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Speaker 1: just your thoughts, your personal thoughts. What do we do?

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Speaker 1: Do we run? Do we stay?

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Speaker 10: Or what?

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Speaker 5: Well? I think it's both and first and foremost, we

503
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Speaker 5: have to use the techniques that our ancestors always used,

504
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Speaker 5: our elders always used. My grandmother's ninety three year old

505
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 5: you know, she still grows her own cucumbers and tomato,

506
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 5: She still makes her own jelly, she still jars peaches,

507
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 5: and she eats seasonally. All of these lessons that our

508
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 5: ancestors had no choice but to do. In order to survive.

509
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 5: We need to take chapters from their books and re

510
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Speaker 5: implement them. Living cooperatively has always been our way, but

511
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Speaker 5: in generations we've become individualized. We've become individuals. We've got

512
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 5: all these friends on Facebook. We haven't seen real people

513
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 5: in years. I mean some of us have been inside

514
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,959
Speaker 5: since COVID and we never came back outside. Community is

515
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Speaker 5: foundational for our survival and as an organization with the

516
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Speaker 5: Teaching Artists Institute, we work locally, so not just in

517
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Speaker 5: Baltimore trying to connect East Baltimore to over west West Baltimore.

518
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 5: Not trying to encourage young people in Baltimore to get

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Speaker 5: on the train, on the March Train and go down

520
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 5: to DC just to see a look, it's not that

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00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 5: far away, just five dollars. We're also doing that same

522
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 5: work around the world. We're trying to be that living

523
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 5: bridge to say you don't have to figure it out

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Speaker 5: on your own. Let us do the feasibility study. If

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00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 5: you do need a life rasp out of here, let

526
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 5: us help you be the one that can help navigate

527
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Speaker 5: that journey. And so we think that it's going to

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Speaker 5: be relationships that sustain us. That has always been our way,

529
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 5: and we've gotten away from that, but we need to

530
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Speaker 5: take a chapter from our Grandparents' book.

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Speaker 1: Good Advice here twenty get Away from the top of

532
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: our Kareem's Calling from Baltimore is online too, grand Rising

533
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Speaker 1: caremea on with Kim Poole.

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Speaker 11: He's doing but the call. I am a part of

535
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 11: a community organization in Baltimore, Sandtown, Winchester, So I really

536
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 11: would like to kind of connect with you, So if

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00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 11: you could share your information. I got there. I gotta

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00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 11: have your teacher artist Institute. But other than that, and

539
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 11: I'm at work, so I want to try to connect

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Speaker 11: with you at some point in the future, So if

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Speaker 11: you can share that, and I appreciate your work because

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00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 11: it's so vitally needia. So thank you call, Thank you, sister.

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Speaker 11: Y'all have a great day. Few things powerful because we

544
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Speaker 11: are great piece all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Thanks Gream and Kim youse this opportunity to tell

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Speaker 1: us about your your organization as well.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Satan Wilchester, I mean Winchester, I mean that the

548
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 5: history in that community. I would love to connect with you.

549
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 5: We're in northwest Baltimore and Park Heights on Oswego. That's

550
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 5: where our artists and residents property is and we're expanding

551
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 5: to repopulate the Oswego Corridor with the Oswego Seeds and

552
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 5: heal from the inside out. We use art as a

553
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 5: tool for social transformation. Please follow us on Facebook, Facebook

554
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 5: dot com, slash Teaching Artists one word, Facebook dot com

555
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 5: slash Teaching Artists one word. And we're a cultural cooperative.

556
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 5: We sustain ourselves by providing cultural immersion, study abroad, cross

557
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 5: cultural exchange, traditional tourism, and we're trying to scale our

558
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 5: vision to begin to own our own infrastructure. When we

559
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 5: take you to a region, we want to own the

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Speaker 5: property that we allow you to accommodate yourself, and we

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Speaker 5: want to own the transportation.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if we're.

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00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 5: Going to get the planes, but we can at least

564
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Speaker 5: get a few black bands. Can we get the Black

565
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 5: Star line?

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Speaker 6: Right?

567
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 5: Can we get a boat together collectively? I think it's possible. Right,

568
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Speaker 5: we can at least get to the Caribbean. Can we

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Speaker 5: get down to Cuba? Rest in peace, Mama, aside of

570
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 5: shakor my birthday twins, I think it's possible for us

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Speaker 5: to own our own infrastructure. So that's where we're scaling

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Speaker 5: our vision to you. We would certainly love to work

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00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 5: with you and saying how Winchester. Maybe we can get

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Speaker 5: you up to Park Heights and you can also call

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Speaker 5: me listen four four three seven three nine zero nine

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Speaker 5: four one. It's no secret. That's the phone by the

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Speaker 5: bed left. Stay in touch, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Thanks Green for checking in with us, Sister Camp.

579
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Speaker 1: Many of our folks don't have a passport, and right

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Speaker 1: now the government shut down. What do you say to

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Speaker 1: those folks? Do you think all of us should at

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Speaker 1: least have a passport or some people have dual citizenships

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Speaker 1: and they have two passports. Your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 5: So I think at a minimum you should have a passport.

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Speaker 12: For this country.

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Speaker 5: Dual citizenship is very quickly becoming the standard. When this

587
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 5: ship goes down. The Japanese, they eat Japanese, they speak Japanese,

588
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 5: and if it goes down, they're going back to Japan.

589
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 5: They have that option. The same thing with the Chinese

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Speaker 5: and every other community here. We are the only community

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00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 5: that was created here, literally a new tribe so to speak,

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00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 5: on this soil, and we're so severed and disconnected because

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00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 5: of the Maafa or what we call in Swahili the

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00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 5: great disaster. But having an opportunity to have another passport

595
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 5: is now being afforded to us. Don't miss that boat,

596
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 5: because we're trying to help facilitate that bridge. So what

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00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 5: we based on two thousand and three the African Union

598
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 5: Article three Q. They say that we are legally the

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00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 5: sixth region, meaning people of African descent living outside of Africa.

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Speaker 5: That's not a theory now that is legislated, and so

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Speaker 5: now member states on the continent are making opportunities for

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Speaker 5: us to have dual citizenship simply because of our DNA testing.

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00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 5: You have in credible scholars like doctor Gina Page right

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00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 5: down the street in DC. She has African Ancestry dot Com.

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00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 5: And if you geographically map your DNA and it says

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Speaker 5: that you're from Benith or if you're from Sierra Leone,

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Speaker 5: I mean, these are just a few of those countries

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Speaker 5: that are willing to give you dual citizenship. And what

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Speaker 5: we're saying is that in addition to Ghana, which everybody loved.

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Speaker 5: We loved Ghana.

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Speaker 1: Hold I thought right there, Kim, we got to step

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Speaker 1: aside and get caught up on the latest news. When

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Speaker 1: you come back, I'll let you finish your thought. But also,

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00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: because you're an artist, so why't you tell us about

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Speaker 1: your music and how that's a reverberating across the continent

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Speaker 1: as well. Family, you Tube can join our comments. Heysue

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Speaker 1: with Kim Poole reach out to us at eight hundred

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Speaker 1: four five zero seventy eight seventy six or twenty three

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Speaker 1: minutes after top. They all take a phone calls after

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Speaker 1: the news that's next and Grand Rising Family seventeen minutes

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Speaker 1: away from the top for the hour. I guess this

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Speaker 1: morning is a Baltimore activist, Kim Poole the bathroom of

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Speaker 1: journeys across the continent, and she's sharing some of these travels. Realists,

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Speaker 1: let me shut you give us shout out to our teachers,

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Speaker 1: you know, getting ready to go to school this morning.

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Speaker 1: Take care of our young people, arguably some of the

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00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: most least paid and respected workers in our community. But

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Speaker 1: again we respect you teachers, So go ahead and take

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Speaker 1: care of our young people when you go to class

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Speaker 1: this morning. If maybe something that you heard on the radio,

631
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Speaker 1: you can share with our young people as well. Later

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Speaker 1: this morning, we're gonna hear from former FBI agent doctor

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Speaker 1: Tyrone Powers. Also joining us will be a scientist and

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Speaker 1: medical doctor Keith Crawford. We have some brilliant folks in

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Speaker 1: our community family, and they just don't get the spotlight.

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Speaker 1: And that's what we try to do here. And so

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Speaker 1: what we do when you hear them, don't keep it yourself.

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00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: Invite a friend to listen and it can grow with us. Also,

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Speaker 1: later this week, we're gonna hear from political blog of Brandon,

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00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter grassroots founder doctor Emelina Abdullah, and also

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00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: another Baltimore activist, Karls. Norden, will be here. So if

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00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep your radio

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00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: locked in tight on ten ten WLB, or if you're

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00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: in the DMV, we're on FM ninety five point nine

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Speaker 1: at am fourteen fifty WL. All Right, Kim Mama, let

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Speaker 1: you finish your thought then tell us about your musical

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Speaker 1: journey as well.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely you, but you know you gave a shout out

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Speaker 5: to the teachers and on behalf of the Teaching Artists Institute.

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Speaker 5: I just want to make sure that I'm centering the

651
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Speaker 5: fact that with intention, we offer journeys to help supplement

652
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Speaker 5: the traditional school system because I used to work there.

653
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Speaker 5: I was a teacher at Calverton Middle School back when

654
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Speaker 5: Calverton existed. I taught at Northwestern High School in Northwest

655
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 5: Baltimore and Park Heights and Upper Park Heights, and so

656
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 5: I know that that institution is broken, and those teachers

657
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 5: that are there in the belly of the beast holding

658
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Speaker 5: the line for our young people, you know they need support,

659
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Speaker 5: and so the Teaching Artists Institute is here to provide

660
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 5: that expeditionary learning. Our young people have to be immersed

661
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Speaker 5: into the world to learn about it. There's not much

662
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 5: you can do inside that classroom. Technology is a gift,

663
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 5: it can be a tool, but our young people they

664
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Speaker 5: need activation of the hypo campus. They need to be

665
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 5: able to feel and see the soil that they're talking

666
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Speaker 5: about in science class and that is a part of

667
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Speaker 5: what service the Teaching Artists Institute offers. And so if

668
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Speaker 5: you are an educator preparing your curriculum, your field trips,

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Speaker 5: so to speak, for the school year, please consider using us.

670
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Speaker 5: TIE Tours dot org at gmail dot com is our

671
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Speaker 5: email address. We're working right now with the ASO Africa

672
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 5: Program and we have a group of young people this

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Speaker 5: past May that we took to Ghana. The impact of

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Speaker 5: that experience these young people, I think the name of

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Speaker 5: their school is connections. Now it used to be called

676
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 5: Lamel right outside of mondomenmaul Us. Taking those twenty five

677
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Speaker 5: young people to Ghana change their worldview. They talked about

678
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Speaker 5: it in their graduation speeches. As they graduated out of

679
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 5: the school and on to college, some of them considered

680
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 5: different careers because of that experience. They need to travel.

681
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 5: It's not a necessity. It is a birthright experience. So

682
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Speaker 5: we were talking in our distracted because you talked about

683
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Speaker 5: educators and educating our young people is at the heart

684
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Speaker 5: of our work. Intergenerational dialogue and cultural exchange is what

685
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Speaker 5: is going to save us as a community. We've always

686
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Speaker 5: had that underneath the biobub tree. The grios that hold

687
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Speaker 5: our history were always connected directly to the young people

688
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Speaker 5: and that is what oriented our trajectory as communities.

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Speaker 1: And so well, inter be here before you go continue, Kim,

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Speaker 1: I want to just thank you for doing that. You know,

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Speaker 1: taking our young people to Africa. It's life changing. Even

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Speaker 1: I as an adult you go, it's life changing to

693
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Speaker 1: go to Africa, but especially at a young age. Those

694
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Speaker 1: young folks that you guys took to the continent, you

695
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Speaker 1: don't find them being part of the other groups that

696
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Speaker 1: are wilding out because now they have a sense of purpose.

697
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Speaker 1: They see beyond the streets of Baltimore. So I just

698
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Speaker 1: want to thank you for doing that, and I hope

699
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Speaker 1: you continue to do it as well.

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Speaker 13: Well.

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Speaker 5: The actual group A is for Africa over at Connections.

702
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Speaker 5: They've decided that they've we have a sophomore year and

703
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Speaker 5: the first year they went to Ghana, and this coming

704
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Speaker 5: year twenty twenty six, they want to go to Kimmit

705
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Speaker 5: and Ethiopia, and so we're excited to show them the

706
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Speaker 5: blue and the White now. And it's not just open

707
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Speaker 5: to the students. That Connections is actually going to be

708
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Speaker 5: open to young people across the state of Maryland. And

709
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 5: so if you have a young person in high school

710
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Speaker 5: or college and they want to learn about the origins

711
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Speaker 5: of civilization, they want to do that comparative analysis between

712
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Speaker 5: the creation stories in Ilaise and Nigeria and Malambla in

713
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Speaker 5: Eboland versus what's happening over in Ethiopia and Eksum and

714
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Speaker 5: Lollabella and then over in kim It. Of course, Timid

715
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Speaker 5: is like the oldest daughter of Sudan, and you know

716
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Speaker 5: Ethiopia and the source of the Nile down in Uganda

717
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 5: and Jingja, and so being able to show that to

718
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Speaker 5: young people is like, wow, my life is not in vain,

719
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Speaker 5: Thank you Lord. The opportunity is a blessing in and

720
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Speaker 5: of itself. And we even have journeys for young people

721
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Speaker 5: that are right here in the US. The Freedom Rides

722
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Speaker 5: is coming up. We're doing the Freedom Rides next year.

723
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Speaker 5: This year, Baba hai Kei, he took young people on

724
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Speaker 5: the Freedom Rides down into Gullageechee Nation. He did that

725
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Speaker 5: back in the spring. And so I know that these stories,

726
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 5: they make more sense when you take history off the page.

727
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Speaker 5: Our young people can relate to it. And we're competing

728
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Speaker 5: with video games and you know, we're trying to figure

729
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Speaker 5: out how we can incorporate those. But there are so

730
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Speaker 5: many distractions in this age of information, and so the

731
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Speaker 5: ability to focus and pay attention is the most valuable

732
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Speaker 5: thing that we can do, not only with our young

733
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Speaker 5: people before ourselves. We have to be prepared to work

734
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Speaker 5: with them, and so that means us being able to

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Speaker 5: hone in and sometimes that expeditionary learning helps.

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Speaker 14: You do that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, tell us about your musical journey, though, Kim, because

738
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Speaker 1: you are at the core, you're still an artist, and

739
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Speaker 1: you've been sharing your talents across the planet. So tell

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Speaker 1: us how that went.

741
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Speaker 5: It true? And it's been such a long time since

742
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Speaker 5: I've been able to focus. I mean, I love artivism,

743
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Speaker 5: I love connecting art and art culture to sustainable development.

744
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 5: I love art as a tool for social transformation. But

745
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 5: at my heart of heart, I am still just that

746
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Speaker 5: singer Mama. I want to sing that girl, And being

747
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Speaker 5: able to do that this past fall and summer was

748
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 5: really a gift. Ghana has always been one of the

749
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Speaker 5: reasons that has been most welcoming to the height of

750
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Speaker 5: what my music musical potential can be and still is.

751
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Speaker 5: And so we're venturing into some afrobeats. They're saying, can

752
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Speaker 5: we love your soul? But can we change the track

753
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Speaker 5: a little bit? Can we add a few more rhythms

754
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Speaker 5: to that? And so I finally gotten to the point

755
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Speaker 5: where I said, yes, make the track what you needed

756
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Speaker 5: to be, especially because now I'm really recognizing that I

757
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 5: haven't been living up to what I'm saying. I always

758
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Speaker 5: talk about the influential nature of the artist's class and

759
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Speaker 5: how we're the bullhorn of truth and how we're shaping

760
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Speaker 5: mindsets and defining reality but in my own art form,

761
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Speaker 5: it seems to be relegated to the sidelines or an aftermath.

762
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Speaker 5: But now I want to test out my own theory again,

763
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Speaker 5: like if you really want the influence. Like you said earlier,

764
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Speaker 5: you said, your station is given a spotlight to many

765
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Speaker 5: of the topics and things and people that don't get

766
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Speaker 5: the attention that they deserve. But we got full you know,

767
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Speaker 5: we zoomed in on Beyonce. We know exactly what jay

768
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Speaker 5: Z is doing. And so the question is how can

769
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Speaker 5: I now begin to use my art to make it

770
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Speaker 5: more widespread, make it influential, and so that I can

771
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Speaker 5: have more space to do the artivism, letting the art lead.

772
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Speaker 5: They say, your gift will make room for you, and

773
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Speaker 5: so I want to give my gift a chance to

774
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Speaker 5: make room for me, and that means giving it some attention.

775
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Speaker 5: And so I was in Ghana. I was invited to

776
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Speaker 5: launch the She Rhythms Festival this past August, and that

777
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Speaker 5: was just the launch. It's going to actually happened in

778
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Speaker 5: Ghana December fourth through sixth. So it looks like this

779
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 5: December is gonna be an Africa Africa to out itinerary

780
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Speaker 5: and agenda will be there performing for the Si Rhythms Festival,

781
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Speaker 5: launching a few songs that are gonna get some widespread

782
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Speaker 5: exposure on the afrobeats market, and I guess their radio

783
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 5: circulation over on that side of the pond. But then

784
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna stay over for the ninth Pan African Congress

785
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Speaker 5: in Togo. I'm gonna stay over for the Nigeria tour

786
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Speaker 5: the twenty seventh through January first, and Nigeria, and so

787
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna make sure I sprinkle some performances in between

788
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Speaker 5: all those things. And I'm gonna let.

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Speaker 15: Art lead.

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Speaker 1: Good for you ight away from the top of our

791
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Speaker 1: brother doctor Hakes joining us, also calling from Baltimore, Ice

792
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Speaker 1: online too, Grand Rising, dots of Hake. You're only Kim Poole, Yes, yes,

793
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Speaker 1: Grand Rising.

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Speaker 16: You can't hear me? Call sure, oh bitter, thank you,

795
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Speaker 16: thank you? Just yes, well, great to hear you, mister Kim.

796
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Speaker 16: It's always a pleasant, great work doing, just bridging the gaps,

797
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 16: you know, Carl Kim. She got to come back on.

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Speaker 16: She talked about five things, and this a lot that

799
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Speaker 16: she may not have time to but interesting.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 16: Earlier this year we held hosted a group of I

802
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 16: want to talk about this the connection students. So they

803
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 16: were some of the young people that actually performed at

804
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 16: Mayor Brandon Scott's inauguration, and you know, it was a

805
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Speaker 16: pretty good excursion that maybe twenty three twenty five adults

806
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Speaker 16: and young people that went to Ghana and they want

807
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Speaker 16: to go back this year. So, you know, instant I

808
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 16: was talking to doctor Ron Daniels, you know, yesterday last night,

809
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Speaker 16: and we were talking about with regions twists in Africa,

810
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Speaker 16: you know, compared to stay the Pan African Congress congresses

811
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Speaker 16: or you know, which African countries that you know the

812
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 16: presidents are doing, you know, good work for us in

813
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Speaker 16: the global diasporas. And so he said something about Ghana

814
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Speaker 16: and South Africa. I don't know if you know, I mean,

815
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Speaker 16: and you know, we can't branded, we can't work in

816
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 16: every country obviously, you know, we can't spread ourselves then,

817
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 16: but you know, one of the things that I said,

818
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Speaker 16: perhaps maybe two years ago is you know a lot

819
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Speaker 16: of black folks, I mean, doctor Brnoka Rashidi, he said

820
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Speaker 16: Ghana and Egypt. And so now you know, tenative, if

821
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Speaker 16: Kim you want to talk about that as well, what

822
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Speaker 16: connections you want to do? You know, with Ethiopia and

823
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Speaker 16: Egypt as well. So sometimes you know, we let, you know,

824
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Speaker 16: allow for clients to mandate or dictate or suggest where

825
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Speaker 16: you know they want to be because people want to

826
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Speaker 16: go to different parts of Africa as well. So so Kim,

827
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Speaker 16: I'll just let you go in, I'll take it off there.

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Speaker 16: Thank you, good job.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean thank you for that, Baba Haki. We

830
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Speaker 5: are working in regions outside of Ghana, and some people

831
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Speaker 5: they see the marketing campaign of countries and then they

832
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Speaker 5: have curators that promote that. But Africa is a continent

833
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Speaker 5: and there isn't a region on the African continent that

834
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Speaker 5: you couldn't go and be transformed. But there are certain

835
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Speaker 5: regions that are critical that those in the diaspora connect

836
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Speaker 5: with because of the histories of those areas and especially

837
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Speaker 5: if you aren't going to be able to return. Ghana

838
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 5: is amongst those areas, but also Tanzania. The largest outpost

839
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Speaker 5: for the East African enslavement trade was in Tanzania. And

840
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Speaker 5: I also think it's important that we go to regions

841
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Speaker 5: where their first language is or the language that they

842
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 5: do business in, the language that the US in government

843
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 5: is not an anglophone or a luciphone or Francophone. It's

844
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Speaker 5: Tanzania and Ethiopia because they're still using an African language

845
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Speaker 5: in their business, in their education. It orients their minds differently.

846
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Speaker 5: The pride that they have. When I meet the young

847
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 5: people in those countries, they're not trying to leave. They're like, oh,

848
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Speaker 5: I'll take your dollars, but my mind gives me the

849
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Speaker 5: ability to imagine what I can use your money with.

850
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Speaker 5: Right here in my country. I see what my country

851
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 5: has to offer, and I'm proud of that. And it's

852
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Speaker 5: not that you don't see that in the other countries, small, small,

853
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 5: but honestly, in those countries on the African continent that

854
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Speaker 5: speak their own languages, that still do business and teach

855
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Speaker 5: their children in their own language. Black people now, and

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Speaker 5: hold of though for.

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Speaker 1: A second, kin, We've got to check the traffic and

858
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 1: weather in our different cities, and we'll let you come back.

859
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: I let you finish your thought. And also the question

860
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Speaker 1: of that, how much do you when you travel do

861
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Speaker 1: you try to ingratiate yourself in the local communities. Do

862
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Speaker 1: you try to learn their language and their culture as

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Speaker 1: well to get closer to them, or you just whether

864
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Speaker 1: they look at you still is a toy? Still as

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Speaker 1: an American? Or do they look at you as a

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Speaker 1: long lost relative. I'll let you explain that when we

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Speaker 1: get back. But we got to check the traffic and

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Speaker 1: weather in our different cities or four minutes away from

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Speaker 1: the top of the our family. You want to join

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Speaker 1: this discussion with Kim Pool, reach out to us at

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Speaker 1: eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and

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Speaker 1: we'll take your phone calls after the trafficking weather that's

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Speaker 1: next and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your week

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Speaker 1: with us again. I guess this is Kim Pool. Kim

875
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Speaker 1: is an activist out of Baltimore. She's on a journey

876
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Speaker 1: to get reparations cultural reparations and she's also on artists though,

877
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Speaker 1: So before we left, Kim, I'll let you finish your

878
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Speaker 1: thought and tell us, you know, how do they see

879
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Speaker 1: you as they see as an artist? They see you

880
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Speaker 1: as a family member coming back to all these different

881
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Speaker 1: African countries, and do you try to ingratiate yourself with them,

882
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Speaker 1: do you try to learn tweet or some of the

883
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Speaker 1: other dialects are there on the continent, or do they

884
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Speaker 1: see you just as an African American.

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Speaker 5: So Nelson Mandela said that when you speak to a

886
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Speaker 5: man and his language, you speak to his heart. When

887
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Speaker 5: you speak in a language, she understands you speak to

888
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Speaker 5: his head. And so listen. I may never fully learned

889
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Speaker 5: tweet in Ghana or Swahili k Swahili on the continent.

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Speaker 5: I was recently appointed, as I described in our last interview,

891
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Speaker 5: together with the African Union Academy of African Languages, and

892
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 5: so in that role, it is my job to promote

893
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Speaker 5: and preserve African language in the diaspora and to create

894
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Speaker 5: spaces for that transmission of knowledge to happen in all forms.

895
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Speaker 5: Of course, my favorite would be art as a medium.

896
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Speaker 5: And so next year we're going to be hosting during

897
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Speaker 5: African Languages Week, a week of activities, and right now

898
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Speaker 5: we're building the infrastructure to have UH those dialogues in

899
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Speaker 5: the diaspora. So that's not just the US. I represent UH,

900
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Speaker 5: the entirety of Pan Africa in the diaspora. So that

901
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Speaker 5: also will include activities in Europe where we are down

902
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 5: in Brazil, in the Caribbean and Caracom countries. In that role,

903
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 5: it's a major, major work and so I'm always looking

904
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Speaker 5: for people that are passionate traditional speakers of African languages.

905
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Speaker 5: If you want to be involved in that, please reach

906
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Speaker 5: out to us because we need you, especially if you're

907
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Speaker 5: living in the diaspora. But when I go to the continent,

908
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Speaker 5: they're just glad that I'm trying. What we find when

909
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Speaker 5: we get to the content folks that are from the diaspora,

910
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 5: is that you want to change what you see when

911
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Speaker 5: you arrive, including the language. It's like, ah, why don't

912
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Speaker 5: you understand me? You know, I see it all the

913
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Speaker 5: time when we bring toward groups and our attempts to

914
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Speaker 5: build those bridges and connections. But they appreciate the fact

915
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Speaker 5: that I try. That I slow down and I realize

916
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Speaker 5: I'm the one with an accent. What I also realize

917
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Speaker 5: is that language has very little to do with words

918
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Speaker 5: and communication. We had a rhythm people in the beginning

919
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Speaker 5: was heart drum. With this vibration, we gave rhythm to

920
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Speaker 5: the world. On this beat. We sing life with the rhythm. People,

921
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Speaker 5: and as long as this heart beats inside my chest, said,

922
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Speaker 5: will remind me that I'm African, and they feel that rhythm.

923
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Speaker 5: We don't always need words when we communicate. That language

924
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Speaker 5: that we thought was our language. Only in the diaspora.

925
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Speaker 5: The head nod. You know that that blink, that wink

926
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Speaker 5: that look across the room, and understand that knowledge is real,

927
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Speaker 5: that communication is real. They called it science when they

928
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Speaker 5: tried to explain it. Pheromones that we communicate through, you know,

929
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Speaker 5: secreting certain pheromones or chemicals that communicated before our brookies

930
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Speaker 5: area and our brain and the temporal lobe was developed.

931
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Speaker 5: And that vibration is creation.

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Speaker 12: It still exists.

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Speaker 5: Even when we aren't quiet enough to listen to it.

934
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Speaker 5: And so I have learned through you know, trial and error,

935
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Speaker 5: through immersion that in the deepest village, the mamas they

936
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Speaker 5: still understand, and they get me and they wrap me

937
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Speaker 5: in their fabrics and they dress with their beads and

938
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Speaker 5: they say, listen, daughter, welcome home. We spirit know the

939
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Speaker 5: spirit by the spirit, and we know that you are

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Speaker 5: with us. We are just we're invited to Kenya. We're

941
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Speaker 5: going October sixteenth through the nineteenth to Nandy County. Nandy

942
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Speaker 5: County is in the cradle of civilization. Senator James Saunders

943
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Speaker 5: from New York is going to be joining our delegation

944
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Speaker 5: by thea Haiki. We'll be with our delegation Thailand or

945
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Speaker 5: teaching artists institute regions across the continent, from Uganda and Ghana.

946
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Speaker 5: They're all coming, some up from Zimbabwe. We're coming to

947
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Speaker 5: Nandy County, Kenya by invitation of the government and the

948
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Speaker 5: women that are there, the singers. Whenever we come, they

949
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Speaker 5: meet us at the airport and they're singing and they've

950
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Speaker 5: got their beads on and they give us this musique.

951
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 5: It's like this milk drink out of what looks like

952
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Speaker 5: a calabash to drink because they want to show us.

953
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Speaker 5: Welcome home. Kaaribu tong gooi. That's what they say when

954
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 5: they see us. And it matters. This energy, these things

955
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 5: that we've been unlearning, living in this vibration that is

956
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 5: foreign to us, living in the diaspora. We've had to

957
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 5: always convince ourselves that we're not broken. But going into

958
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 5: a community where the head nods and the handshakes and

959
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 5: the winks and the sound the h ah, all of

960
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 5: this is language and it's accepted and it's you know, widespread.

961
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 5: You don't feel broken. That's a language in and of itself,

962
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Speaker 5: some language that we need to relearn again right and can.

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Speaker 1: Be forward to let you go. How can folks reach you?

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Speaker 1: They want to join you on some of your journeys

965
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: and get involved in your institute.

966
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 5: They can reach us. They should definitely join some of

967
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Speaker 5: our journeys. One last journey that I didn't mention this

968
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Speaker 5: November November eighth through the fifteenth. We want to be

969
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 5: intentional about our healing, especially in this climate, about our

970
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 5: ability to practice being community. It doesn't mean we'll always

971
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 5: get it right. But we're going to Massa in the

972
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 5: resort in the Shnandoah Valley down in Virginia, just two

973
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Speaker 5: hours outside of Washington, d C. Two and a half

974
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Speaker 5: from Baltimore, and we want to invite you to come

975
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Speaker 5: with us November eighth through the fifteenth. We're calling it

976
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Speaker 5: the Heel Glow Grow Retreat and for one thousand dollars

977
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Speaker 5: you can be there for seven days. You got some

978
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Speaker 5: meals included your accommodations, acces us to the spas, to

979
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 5: the pools, to the hikes and the trails. We need

980
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 5: these things. It's not a luxury. If you're interested in

981
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 5: coming with us, please contact me. Facebook dot com, slash

982
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Speaker 5: Teaching Artists one word, Facebook dot com slash teaching Artists

983
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 5: one word, or you can email us at tietours dot

984
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 5: org at gmail dot com, tietours dot org at gmail

985
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 5: dot com, and you know again, you can always call

986
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Speaker 5: me four four three seven three nine zero nine four one.

987
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 5: The Heel Glow Grow Retreat is where you can come

988
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 5: with us next because we need to practice being grounded

989
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 5: and rooted and connected and community. Thank you Carl for

990
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 5: the opportunity. I always appreciate coming on the air for updates.

991
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Speaker 1: And thank you Cam. I thank you for sharing your

992
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: journeys with us. We really appreciate it because many folks

993
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: don't get a chance of traveling and they do it

994
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: so vicariously through your travel. So I thank you came

995
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 1: for sharing your thoughts with us this morning.

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Speaker 13: Bless you.

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Speaker 1: All right, family, let's move on now. Ten I have

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Speaker 1: the top day out. Doctor Keith Crawford is really let's

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Speaker 1: doctor Crawford, Grand Rising, welcome back to the program, Grand Rousing,

1000
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: and doctor Crawford. You're a scientist and also a medical

1001
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: doctor and you've done some research into cancer. But before

1002
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: you tell us about what you found, UH, give us

1003
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: a little bit of a background so folks know that

1004
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 1: you're the real deal.

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00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 8: Oh okay, well, I wanted to say again grand rousing

1006
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 8: everybody online. I'm originally from Texas. My father was in

1007
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 8: the military and we used to bounce back between Texas

1008
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 8: and Washington, d C. Back and forth in the day.

1009
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 8: But graduated from Purviewing and University outside of Houston. I

1010
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 8: went to medical school University Texas, Houston. I did my

1011
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 8: clinical training in Washington, d C. At Howard and then

1012
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 8: I elected to get a PhD in immunology and I

1013
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 8: got that from Harvard Medical School. I was I did

1014
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 8: my post doc. That's your training. After you get your

1015
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 8: you finish your graduate work at at the Harvard Medical School,

1016
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Speaker 8: brick and Women's Hospital, Children's Hospital, and then I was

1017
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 8: faculty at Brigham Women's Hospital. My research, there's two kind

1018
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 8: of important things, and I think that you you're curious

1019
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 8: caller brought out something that was very important. We have

1020
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 8: attended to go look at things differently, and when you

1021
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Speaker 8: can look at things differently, you could make discoveries. So

1022
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Speaker 8: two major discoveries, both of those patented by Harvard Medical School,

1023
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Speaker 8: was discovered a new subset of of immune cells that

1024
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Speaker 8: if you could take those immune cells so you can

1025
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Speaker 8: fuse them together and make a vaccine against cancer. And

1026
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Speaker 8: then I also have a patent and discovery of a

1027
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Speaker 8: new set of regenative medicine cells stem cells that because

1028
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Speaker 8: of this discovery, I was invited to the Vatican to

1029
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Speaker 8: talk about stem cells. And yes, the Vatican supports stem

1030
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Speaker 8: cells research. It's just that they don't support embryonic research.

1031
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: So that's kind of all why why should why why

1032
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: don't they do that?

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00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 8: Well, embryonic So embryonic is is what was happening was

1034
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Speaker 8: at the time when we started talking about I mean,

1035
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Speaker 8: we better but clarified. So, the Vatican has a stem

1036
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Speaker 8: cell library, and a lot of people don't know that.

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Speaker 8: They will take stem cells that are from spontaneous abortions,

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Speaker 8: but they will not populate their library with stem cells

1039
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Speaker 8: from embryos. You know, people who are who have having

1040
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Speaker 8: problems and need more of an artificial simat insmination for

1041
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Speaker 8: for UH to carry a child forward. They won't take those,

1042
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Speaker 8: but they will take something that was naturally a byproduct

1043
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Speaker 8: of a lost placenta and those types of stem cells.

1044
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Speaker 8: So that's something that a lot of people don't recognize,

1045
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 8: and they give the Catholic Church a kind of a

1046
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 8: bad name when they are open to understand science and

1047
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Speaker 8: all those other things and then provide the world with alternatives.

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Speaker 8: They just don't speak about it.

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Speaker 1: Twelve after the top of that founidly just checking in,

1050
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Speaker 1: I guess you start to KEITHA. Crawford that missions to

1051
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Speaker 1: sign this also a medical doctor. So doctor, from where

1052
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: you stand, is there a cure for cancer?

1053
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Speaker 8: Well, let me put it to you this way. I'm

1054
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Speaker 8: a very positive person. So if you want to go

1055
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Speaker 8: back to nineteen eighties and ask that question, is there

1056
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Speaker 8: a cure for AIDS? And at that time, no one

1057
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 8: would have believed that we would have treatments that suppress

1058
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Speaker 8: It's not a cure, but it suppresses AIDS and allows people.

1059
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Speaker 8: Let me think about it. Major a celebrity, Magic Johnson

1060
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Speaker 8: HIV positive and he's still living today. So we have

1061
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Speaker 8: the ability in science, maybe not the cure cancer, but

1062
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Speaker 8: keep it under control. Like it's a chronic disease, high

1063
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Speaker 8: potension ease, prostate cancer. So you have these treatments that

1064
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Speaker 8: if you do what you need to do. People need

1065
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 8: to exercise, eat right and get plenty of sleep, take

1066
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Speaker 8: their vitamin D, take their coprid vitamins. But also there

1067
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Speaker 8: are treatments out there there are therapies out there that

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Speaker 8: will suppress and slow the growth of the cancer. So

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Speaker 8: I'm hoping that there'll be a cure. But right now

1070
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Speaker 8: we are approaching this era where we're able to treat

1071
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Speaker 8: cancers not at all like a chronic disease.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fourteen half of the top there not to keep

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Speaker 1: Crawfett is I guess and doctor Crawford. Last month was

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Speaker 1: prostate cancer month. This month is Breast cancer Awareness month.

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Speaker 1: So what should what should we know about the cancer

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Speaker 1: the disease. What do you think that our listening audients

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Speaker 1: should know right now that we don't know.

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Speaker 17: What we.

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Speaker 8: Don't know is one, if you have cancer, if you're

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Speaker 8: diagnosed with cancer, don't lose hope. There are things like

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Speaker 8: clinical trials that are out there. Back in the day,

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Speaker 8: if you're thinking about Tuskegee to Skige laid the foundation

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Speaker 8: for safe research studies in medicine. The most important thing

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Speaker 8: that I want that people to hear that is there's

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Speaker 8: treatment options and we have to participate. And even before that,

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Speaker 8: whether it's breast or prostate cancer, we have to screen early.

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Speaker 8: And so what people don't understand is that we represent

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Speaker 8: maybe about fourteen percent of the US population. But when

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Speaker 8: people give you these statistics, they give you statistics with

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Speaker 8: everybody in this pool.

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Speaker 7: But you remember the saying about when one.

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Speaker 8: Group sneezes, we catch the cold pneumonia. In this case,

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Speaker 8: if you separate us out and look at the cancer

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Speaker 8: impact prostate cancer breast cancer, we just focus on those two.

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Speaker 8: It's worse in men and women, respectively. And we're talking

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Speaker 8: about Black men. Leading cause of cancer in the world

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Speaker 8: is prostate cancer, and leading cause of cancer and Black

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Speaker 8: community for men is prostecate cancer.

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Speaker 1: And hold that through right there, Dot. We're gonna step

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Speaker 1: us off a few months. We come back though. Tell

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Speaker 1: us why cancer disproportionately affects Black men prostate cancer, and

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Speaker 1: then let us know if it's the same for the sisters,

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Speaker 1: if the breast cancer disproportionally affects them, and if so,

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Speaker 1: is it just just uh Africans in this part of

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Speaker 1: the content, or is Africans on the is it cononell Africans,

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Speaker 1: Africans in Europe, Africans and the Caribbean Africans in South America?

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Speaker 1: Is it die related? We want all the facts right now, Doc,

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Speaker 1: You've got them. Family is one of our smart brothers

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Speaker 1: we have in our community. Is a scientist as well.

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Speaker 1: It's a medical Doctor's name is doctor Keith Crawford. You

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Speaker 1: got a question about cancer, reach out to us at

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Speaker 1: eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six. We'll

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Speaker 1: taket phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for

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Speaker 1: rolling with us on this Monday morning here, thanks for

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Speaker 1: starting your week with us. At twenty minutes after the top,

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Speaker 1: they I with our guest, doctor Keith Crawford. As I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: it's one of the smart brothers in our community. I

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Speaker 1: always tell that we've got some really smart folks out there.

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Speaker 1: Many of the times they're working for the other side, and

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Speaker 1: I'm working for us. So this one's different. Doctor Keith Crawford,

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Speaker 1: that's his name, and specializing in doing a lot of

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Speaker 1: research into cancer. As we mentioned last month it was

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Speaker 1: Prostate cancer Awareness month. This month, October is Breast cancer

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Speaker 1: Awareness Month. And the question I asked that before we

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Speaker 1: left for the break, Dr Crawford, why does cancer seem

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Speaker 1: to disproportionate attack goes, especially prostate cancer. We know that

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Speaker 1: for sure, but is it the same for breast cancer

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Speaker 1: for our sisters as well?

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Speaker 7: Well? I would back up a little bit.

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Speaker 8: I said disproportionately, certain cancers disproportionately impact people of African descent.

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Speaker 8: That's the first thing. Prostate cancer is different because prosect

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Speaker 8: cancer negatively, the incident's rate is higher among Black men

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Speaker 8: over any other group, male or female. But then when

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Speaker 8: you move to breast cancer, women of European ancestry have

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Speaker 8: a higher incidents of breast cancer, but Black women are

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Speaker 8: the ones that suffer the most and die at a

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Speaker 8: higher rate. So when you think of incidents, is you

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Speaker 8: know it's occurring, and then those that die from it.

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Speaker 8: Now from Black men, the incident's rate is like seventy

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Speaker 8: eighty percent higher and the death rate is two times higher.

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Speaker 8: And depending on where you live, especially when we start

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Speaker 8: talking about that DMB area, that prostate cancer incidence is high,

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Speaker 8: especially in DC and death Ray. And why is that though, Doc, Well,

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Speaker 8: it's interesting the if you were to follow the slave

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Speaker 8: trade route, so West.

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Speaker 7: Africa, Caribbean, United.

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Speaker 8: States, wherever men of African descent and what women of

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Speaker 8: African descent are, that incidence of prostate cancer in men

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Speaker 8: and breast cancer and women follows that slave trade route,

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Speaker 8: and so why there is a genetically to those diseases,

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Speaker 8: prostate cancer and breast but that's a smaller component.

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Speaker 7: There is an.

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Speaker 8: Issue about the environment, and this is something that you know,

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Speaker 8: people don't talk about. They don't talk about the fact

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Speaker 8: that we have only really been to the United States

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Speaker 8: in the Americas outside of Africa since fact the sixteen

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Speaker 8: hundred cents and so the trade be can so for

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Speaker 8: thousands of years, there is no doctor. That may be

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Speaker 8: some healthcare provider, which doctor, and the buildings, but the

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Speaker 8: point was you lived off the land. Your medicines were

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Speaker 8: off the land. So the moment we were removed from

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Speaker 8: that protective environment. And I speak to the generalities here,

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Speaker 8: I'm not like specific. Our foods are different, having access

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Speaker 8: to the sun is different, sleep is different. And you

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Speaker 8: move into this new era of fast world, fast food,

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Speaker 8: lack of sleep, non natural foods. The majority of people

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Speaker 8: on the phone listening know that their doctor has said, look, no,

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Speaker 8: you need to move to a Mediterranean diet. I mean,

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Speaker 8: thousands of years, that's what we ate, that's how we lived.

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Speaker 8: Your people and people European ancestry, they ate lived a

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Speaker 8: certain way, but their culture dominates, their diet dominates. The Americans.

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Speaker 8: So we have a concern about the environment, and then

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Speaker 8: you know the foods that we eat, the air that

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Speaker 8: we breathe, the water that we drink, and we've not

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Speaker 8: always lived in areas that have been healthy. And one

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Speaker 8: other thing that comes into place is we have to

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Speaker 8: recognize that every day we get up, we are suffering

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Speaker 8: or hit with these micro traumas and stress and anxiety

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Speaker 8: plays a very important role. Now this is I want

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Speaker 8: people to kind of understand. I was trying to break

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Speaker 8: it down that your body. We know that we want

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Speaker 8: to fight off infectious disease like COVID. We want to

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Speaker 8: boost our immune system, right, but your body constantly surveys

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Speaker 8: for cancer growth. But if you don't eat right, if

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Speaker 8: you're not exercising, if you're obese or overweight, your immune

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Speaker 8: system doesn't work as well, and so it's not very

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Speaker 8: efficient at one identifying the cancer and killing it and

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Speaker 8: constantly surveying. So if you're in a lot of stress

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Speaker 8: and anxiety, you have these molecules that are being released

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Speaker 8: in the body that suppressed the immune system. So we

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Speaker 8: have to be important that everybody has to understand. You know,

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Speaker 8: stress anxiety plays a very important role whether or not

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Speaker 8: you're able to protect your body against cancers or slow

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Speaker 8: up the progression of cancer.

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Speaker 1: Wow twenty five after the top family, if you have

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Speaker 1: been diagnosed with cancer, you know someone who's been diagnosed

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Speaker 1: with cancer, You got a question. This is a man

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Speaker 1: you need to pose a question to. He's a medical doctor. Also,

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Speaker 1: Songea's name is doctor Keith Crawford, traded at Harvard and

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Speaker 1: works in the DMV area. You can reach him right

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Speaker 1: now at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight

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Speaker 1: seventy six. And if you have the issue, family, don't

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Speaker 1: be bashful. You can use a different name when you

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Speaker 1: people know your business. I get it, but take advantage

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Speaker 1: of his expertise. Doc. There's been an increase in callon cancer,

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Speaker 1: especially in young people. That that's what they're saying, what

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Speaker 1: is causing this?

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Speaker 8: I mean what we can say is is there's two

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Speaker 8: things there right now. We're talking about diet, the food

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Speaker 8: that we eat. I mean, this is something simple question.

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Speaker 8: Why would you drink sodas if you know that sodas

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Speaker 8: are corrosive? I mean you certain TikTok or YouTube videos

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Speaker 8: or somebody clean the toilet and force them a coat.

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Speaker 8: I mean a soda drink and it cleanses to what

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Speaker 8: that's the same thing that your gut is exposed to.

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Speaker 8: So your your gut is exposed to constant inflammation because

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Speaker 8: of the foods that you eat. And with this constant inflammation,

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Speaker 8: the constant trauma leads to sooner or later a cancer

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Speaker 8: cell is going to escape, and it does have to do.

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Speaker 8: I'm not saying one hundred percent, I'm not perfect here.

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Speaker 8: Your diet plays a variant role for important role and

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Speaker 8: whether or not. I mean, yes, it's genetics, Yes it's

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Speaker 8: pass on from family and family, but the genes are there.

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Speaker 8: But what triggers the relapse of cancer? All diet plays

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Speaker 8: a role in that. So we have all the key components.

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Speaker 8: I'm not saying if you eat right, exercise and do

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Speaker 8: the right thing that you may not get you won't

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Speaker 8: get cancer. What I'm saying is your chance of getting

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Speaker 8: cancer decrease, and you eat right, you exercise, manage stress,

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Speaker 8: have a Mediterranean or vegetarian diet. And especially when I

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Speaker 8: think about it, I keep on going back. There's European

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Speaker 8: ancestry evolutionary diet, a diet that they had for thousands

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Speaker 8: and thousands of years, and there's a diet that West

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Speaker 8: Africans had for thousands and thousands of years. That's not

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Speaker 8: the same genetically. We were wrought up on that West

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Speaker 8: African diet, that Mediterranean type diet, and those are the

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Speaker 8: direction that we all need to go back to, not meats.

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Speaker 8: It's better to be a vegetarian. But again, you got

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Speaker 8: to talk to your doctor about the points that we

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Speaker 8: bring up. They may disagree, they may agree, but the

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Speaker 8: point is talk to your doctor so you can eat

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Speaker 8: healthy and live longer.

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Speaker 1: Twenty and after top thing, I went doctor Keith Offers.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned families, one of the smart brothers in our community,

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Speaker 1: and it's working for us. We're talking about cancer now,

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Speaker 1: especially prostate cancer and breast cancer. This is Breast Cancer

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Speaker 1: Awareness Month. So Doc, I've talked to some natural pathic

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Speaker 1: doctors and they tell me that the cancer is sugar.

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Speaker 1: Sugar sugar cancer. The cancer feeds off sugar. And for me, now,

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Speaker 1: every time I go into the store there's the market,

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Speaker 1: I see a cake or something, I'm like oak cancer.

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Speaker 1: Every all of a sudden, every time I see stuff sweets,

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Speaker 1: you know, candies or something, I got oak cancer. It's

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Speaker 1: coming to my mind that that sugar that the cancer

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Speaker 1: feeds off sugar. It's any truth to that though.

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Speaker 8: Okay, So that is a very excellent question, and I

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Speaker 8: want to tell you how this works. So when we're

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Speaker 8: in the laboratory, I told you we did some research, right,

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Speaker 8: We did research about how to control and kill cancers,

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Speaker 8: how to vaccinate against cancer. So I was at the

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Speaker 8: Dana Farbard Cancer Institute as when I did my post off,

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Speaker 8: my graduate post octro work, we were creating vaccines against cancers.

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Speaker 8: But if you take the cancer cell, right, because that's

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Speaker 8: how we study, it will take the cancer itself. I

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Speaker 8: mean everybody knows, like you know, we had a LAC cells,

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Speaker 8: the la cells, the helo cells, so everybody knows about that.

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Speaker 8: So that's a cancer cell. Well, to keep the cancer

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Speaker 8: cell in a dish so it grows, one of the

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Speaker 8: major components is glucose. Glucose is sugar, and if you

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Speaker 8: remove the sugar, the cancer doesn't grow as fast. If

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Speaker 8: you add the sugar, it grows fast. It's easier for

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Speaker 8: the cancer to break down glucose simple sugars, ptising cakes

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Speaker 8: and all the in the bread than it is to

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Speaker 8: break down and create energy from meat and vegetables.

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Speaker 7: And so the.

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Speaker 8: Point that you bring up is the generally doesn't cause cancer,

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Speaker 8: but it supports cancerous growth.

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Speaker 7: Poor diets.

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Speaker 8: Support cancerst growth. The lack of exercise supports cancers growth.

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Speaker 8: Stress and anxiety supports cancers.

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Speaker 1: Group and another thing I've heard of twenty away from

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Speaker 1: the top of our dog is that we all have

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Speaker 1: some cancer cells. It cancer is found in all our bodies.

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Speaker 1: Is there any truth to that?

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Speaker 7: Yes?

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Speaker 8: And your immune system is responsible for surveying the I

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Speaker 8: mean like see for example, man, you guys are the DNV,

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Speaker 8: some me and outside like the urban sector humanity of yards.

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Speaker 8: You go out, look out in the morning and look

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Speaker 8: for weeds in your garden or leads out in your yard.

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Speaker 8: So when you go out and pull the weeds up

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Speaker 8: and get rid of, your body does the same. Your

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Speaker 8: immune system does the same thing. It surveys the body,

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Speaker 8: and it's looking for infectious disease, something that's not supposed

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Speaker 8: to be there. Cancer cells are not supposed to be there,

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Speaker 8: but the immune system looks at it, targets it, and

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Speaker 8: then kills it. The problem is, as we get older,

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Speaker 8: those immune cells, those cells that are responsible for surveying it,

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Speaker 8: start to decline, and then a cancer cell escapes surveillance,

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Speaker 8: it starts to grow. So the point that you bring

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Speaker 8: up is the body immune system surveys your body looking

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Speaker 8: for cancer cells so it can kill. That's the way

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Speaker 8: the immune system is designed in addition to bacterias and viruses.

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Speaker 1: So how do we boost our immune system? Then what

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Speaker 1: are some of the things that we can do or

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Speaker 1: I guess eat, take or any physical things that we

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Speaker 1: can do to improve our immune systems so we don't

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Speaker 1: succumb to cancer.

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Speaker 8: This and people can this is published data. Research data

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Speaker 8: groups stuck around the country are doing clinical travels in

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Speaker 8: this area to kind of learn more about it. We

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Speaker 8: have to change our diet. All that junk, we have

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Speaker 8: to let it go. We have to move towards vegetarian

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Speaker 8: you know, no processed foods, getting ready to jump foods,

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Speaker 8: get rid of the sodas, and just clean like you're

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Speaker 8: talking about a cleanse. Get a cleanse, not a cleanse

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Speaker 8: when we're just talking about fluid, but cleansing. Real to

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Speaker 8: start all over and take an assessment of the foods

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Speaker 8: that you eat and trying to focus on the mediterratan

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Speaker 8: style diet at least if not moving to a vegetarian diet.

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Speaker 8: That's one research peer reviewed. So we talk about this

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Speaker 8: on your show. We talk about peer review. That means

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Speaker 8: it wasn't somebody who had an opinion who wrote about

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Speaker 8: it and making these statements. A group of people did

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Speaker 8: the research. Their research was evaluated by groups of other

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Speaker 8: people to make sure it was accurate. So when we

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Speaker 8: talk about it, when I'm talking about I'm talking about.

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Speaker 7: Peer reviewed information. It is clearly.

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Speaker 8: Document to date that you need to exercise at minimum

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Speaker 8: vigorous exercise for twenty minutes, three times a day, three

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Speaker 8: times a week at a minimum, and that helped protect

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Speaker 8: your body against cancer. Also diet exercise. And for black

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Speaker 8: folks the majority, especially out there when we go North

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Speaker 8: DMV area, we're talking about vitamin D. How many people

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Speaker 8: out there take their vitamin D because we are dark

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Speaker 8: complexed and we have a protective barrier gets the sun.

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Speaker 8: So we're not making our own body the ded like

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Speaker 8: people who are likly like the European ancestry. And there's

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Speaker 8: a difference, and we have to appreciate that we are

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Speaker 8: going to have to supplement and not supplement what you see.

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Speaker 13: On the bottle.

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Speaker 8: You got to talk to your doctor because I'm talking

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Speaker 8: about twenty eight international units per pound body weight, of

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Speaker 8: which the forty five thousand units international units per day,

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Speaker 8: especially in the winter time.

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Speaker 1: All right, hold on though, right there, twenty five away

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Speaker 1: from the top. Dad Jay's joining us from Detroit's online one.

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Speaker 1: Once you speak to doctor Crawford, grand Rising Jay on

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Speaker 1: with doctor Keith Crawford.

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Speaker 4: Well, grand Rise and current grand Rising to the doctor.

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Speaker 4: I have a question related to a vegetarian diet. I've

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Speaker 4: been doing it for a few years and some of

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Speaker 4: the issues that come up with me is getting a

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Speaker 4: protein that will keep your sodium levels up, iron production

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Speaker 4: because recently I was diagnosed with low hemoglobal you know,

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Speaker 4: and low red blood cell count, and you know, I've

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Speaker 4: been kind of doing some research on food to help

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Speaker 4: build up the iron and you know, build up your blood.

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Speaker 4: So could you kind of discuss that too, you know,

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Speaker 4: because there's always been this narrative that if you don't

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Speaker 4: eat meat, that you won't get enough protein in your diet.

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Speaker 4: You know, that's one of the narratives that people use

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Speaker 4: to justify, you know, still eating flesh. So could you

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Speaker 4: kind of discuss that. I really would appreciate that.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think what I ended up doing is.

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Speaker 8: On my end, I'm more beans. I mean, you know beans,

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Speaker 8: they're vegetables that you can get your protein cross and

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Speaker 8: focusing on those vegetables and you and you can google

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Speaker 8: it and and look at you probably eating those and

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Speaker 8: then supplement it with protein powders or supplement with protein drinks.

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Speaker 8: So I get mine the my daily allotment of protein.

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Speaker 7: So the.

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Speaker 8: It is where it's easier to eat meat and junk

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Speaker 8: food because that's going to be at your fingertips you

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Speaker 8: drive through, grab a burger from a fast food. To

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Speaker 8: prepare vegetables that are not already in the can, it

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Speaker 8: takes time, but we have to move towards preparing our

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Speaker 8: own diet. And and for me to tell you the

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Speaker 8: best way for anybody online right now is one we

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Speaker 8: want everybody to see their doctor and have physicals. That's

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Speaker 8: the first thing. The second thing is have you asked

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Speaker 8: your doctor to refer you to a nutritionist.

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Speaker 7: And a nutrition is.

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Speaker 8: Going to give you wait second and a nutritionist is going.

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Speaker 7: To give you a lot of information.

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Speaker 8: And if you don't have that, there's resources in the.

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Speaker 7: Community about health eating. So speaking, you could move away

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Speaker 7: from meat. I mean I'm not saying I kind of

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Speaker 7: contenter myself a flexitarian, so I and I'm just throw

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Speaker 7: in some salmon.

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Speaker 1: Once a week, right and hold I thought right there, doctor,

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Speaker 1: I want to hear about your personal choices.

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Speaker 10: Jay.

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Speaker 1: If you have a follow up questions, stay with us.

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Speaker 1: We got to get step asud and get caught up

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Speaker 1: in the ladies' news, trafficing weather in our different cities.

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Speaker 1: It's twenty two minutes away from the top down family,

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Speaker 1: a question about cancer. This is the person you need

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Speaker 1: to pose those questions TOOO, so scientists also medical doctor

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Speaker 1: reached us an eight hundred and four or five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six. I won't take your phone calls

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Speaker 1: after the meet. You can wear it. That's next and

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Speaker 1: grand Razing family, thanks for starting your week with us

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Speaker 1: on this Monday morning. Our guest, he's a scientist, is

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Speaker 1: also a medical doctor, and there's a lot of research

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Speaker 1: into cancer. You got a question about cancer. You know

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Speaker 1: a friend who's got cancer, Please please take advantage of

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Speaker 1: his expertise. A lot of times you don't get a

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Speaker 1: chance to go one on one with doctors. You know

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Speaker 1: they give you fifteen minutes the max and then you're

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Speaker 1: out and they move on to the next patient because

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Speaker 1: there's a patient overload right now. You can take advantage

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Speaker 1: of this man's expertise and he's learning the trained at Harvard.

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Speaker 1: He's got a medical degree as I mentioned as well,

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Speaker 1: and he's also signed this doing research into cancer. Before

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Speaker 1: we go back to you, the elements remind you. Coming

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Speaker 1: up later this morning, we're going to speak a former

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Speaker 1: FBI agent, doctor tyro Own Powers. Later in the week,

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Speaker 1: you can hear from political blogger Brandon. Also a Black

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Speaker 1: Lives Matter grassroots founder, doctor Malina Abdullah will be here.

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Speaker 1: Also Baltimore activist Karl Snowdenwell Jonas. So, if you are

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Speaker 1: in Baltimore, make sure you get you ready to keep

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Speaker 1: you ready to tuned into ten ten WOLB and if

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Speaker 1: you're in the DMV, we're rolling on FM ninety five

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Speaker 1: point nine and a fourteen fifteen w l All right,

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Speaker 1: doctor Crawford, I'll let you finish your thought and Robin

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Speaker 1: has a question for you when we get back. When

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Speaker 1: you finished.

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Speaker 8: Okay, So, from a high level, if you look at

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Speaker 8: foods that were our ancestral foods, you know, it's interesting.

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Speaker 8: I didn't really think about it but you know, after

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Speaker 8: you know, New Year's we used to have black eyed peas.

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Speaker 8: Black eyed peas is a good source a proteins. So

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Speaker 8: if we talk about beans a primaries or king waw peas,

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Speaker 8: and then we can move to you know, hemp, hemp seeds,

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Speaker 8: pumpkin pumpkin seeds protein or almond butter, flack seeds. These

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Speaker 8: are all very important. I know a lot of people

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Speaker 8: don't like when we moved from like plants, proteins, then

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Speaker 8: we can move to you know, dietary I mean dairy

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Speaker 8: eggs and cottage cheese and Greek yogurts or or excellent sources.

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Speaker 8: And then and what I'm suggesting, what would unlike the

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Speaker 8: audience to really start thinking about is again, use your resources.

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Speaker 8: Your primary resources is your your primary care doctor helps

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Speaker 8: you or can refer you to a nutritionist that can

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Speaker 8: help tail your diet for yourself. But remember how we

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Speaker 8: have to think. We have to think about our ancestral foods.

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Speaker 8: So when we think about from Africa, I told you

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Speaker 8: for black a peas, lentils, chickpeas, what there's a kaba

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Speaker 8: of flavor and then seeds, nuts and seeds, and then

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Speaker 8: you have to look at some of the ancestral grains

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Speaker 8: and flowers from West Africa, not what people European ancestry,

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Speaker 8: because for thousands of thousand years, that was the food

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Speaker 8: that they need to sustain themselves. And there is a

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Speaker 8: difference in how our bodies manage cancers, triggers us for

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Speaker 8: cancers and the type of foods that we should really predominate.

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Speaker 8: And also I'm not forgetting about just leafing vegetables. You know,

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Speaker 8: you know the broccoli uh cal people leave. So there's

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Speaker 8: a lot of stuff that out there that we're going

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Speaker 8: to have to go back to eat healthier. And I

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Speaker 8: hopefully that gives you an ideal idea. I'm not giving

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Speaker 8: you specific vegetables in detailed meals. This is something that

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Speaker 8: I challenge you to go out and find those those

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Speaker 8: foods that are evolutionarily or are culturally something that for

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Speaker 8: thousands of years people of the African diaspora lived on.

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Speaker 1: Hello, yeah, I'm sorry tan away from the top there.

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Speaker 1: I was checking a note here from one of our

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Speaker 1: sisters listening to us in Ghana. But the Robert has

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Speaker 1: been waiting for us. He's in Baltimore. Has a question

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Speaker 1: for doctor Crawford. Is online too, Grand Rising, Roberts, you're

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Speaker 1: on with doctor Crawford.

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Speaker 4: Grand Rising. Everyone.

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Speaker 13: Uh, I understand what you're talking about, the different uh

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Speaker 13: uh uh eating eating differently. But I live in Baltimore

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Speaker 13: City and a lot of uh hello still there, Robert, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 13: so I have a lot of it's it's hard to

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Speaker 13: get a lot of people that came up on this

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Speaker 13: southern Southern eating. Uh, you know, the normal Southern foods

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Speaker 13: to change, uh, to do a better have a better diet.

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Speaker 13: But what I wanted to ask you is I had cancer,

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Speaker 13: prostate cancer two years ago and and uh as of

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Speaker 13: to day, i'm cancer free. But what I wanted to

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Speaker 13: ask you about is it recks out dysfunction. It comes

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Speaker 13: along with the prostate cancer.

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Speaker 1: Right all right, thanks Robert.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, And this is an important topic and a

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Speaker 8: lot of people shy away from this. Let's just call

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Speaker 8: it what it is. If you have you're diagnosed with

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Speaker 8: prostate cancer, the best thing to do is be diagnosed early.

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Speaker 8: If you're diagnosed early by screening, getting a simple blood test,

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Speaker 8: then you either have two general choices. I wouldn't there's three.

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Speaker 8: I would not suggest you'll talk to your doctor about

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Speaker 8: watching him waiting. I'm not gonna watch it wait for anything.

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Speaker 8: If I know what we have a high inside of

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Speaker 8: the development prostinct ansis I'm not watching wait, go in

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Speaker 8: and take it and get it out. So yes, once

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Speaker 8: you if you have surgery, your chances of developing reped

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01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:19,879
Speaker 8: out dysfunction will increase. That means your penis will be flasted.

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01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 8: It may not be able to get an erection, it

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01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 8: may not be an erection hard enough for sexual penetration.

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01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 8: Let's just call it what it is. I know it's

1501
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 8: early in the morning, but the point is is this

1502
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:34,639
Speaker 8: first thing first, save your life.

1503
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:41,760
Speaker 7: Then you have either that opportunity and you hear it all.

1504
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 8: The time, the blue pill, the pill. Get the blue pill.

1505
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 8: So there's pills that you can take that will help.

1506
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 8: And then if not pills, they're injections and then their

1507
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 8: implants and so there are options that are out there,

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01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 8: and implant surgery is by your insurance and so especially

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01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 8: in that in your d m V area. I mean

1510
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 8: there from the standpoint of screening early, you have laws

1511
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 8: of the books that would move the cost of screen early.

1512
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:21,760
Speaker 8: That's in Maryland Maryland area, so that's very important. But

1513
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:27,680
Speaker 8: whether it's surgery or radiation surgery. Rectile the function on

1514
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 8: will occur earlier post post surgery, and you you can

1515
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 8: do the exercise to keep exercises and that you need

1516
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 8: to get to a point where you have in erection.

1517
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 8: And a lot of men if you catch it early

1518
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 8: and there's nerves bearing, no nerves are damaged, then they're

1519
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 8: able to recover without supplementation with the pill. And even

1520
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:55,960
Speaker 8: if you have radiation, it may you have radiation, it

1521
01:27:56,040 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 8: may take time, but you may develop a rectile that's found.

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01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:03,800
Speaker 8: But the point is is that I want to make

1523
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 8: men understand, Yeah, we your sexual prowess is tied too,

1524
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 8: whether not you can get erection. That's how people are thinking.

1525
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,759
Speaker 8: I'm saying, you gotta live. Everything else can be fixed.

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01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 1: Gotcha. I hope that works out for you. Arabic is

1527
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 1: doctor Crawford. This is the era that he works in.

1528
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:26,640
Speaker 1: Especially now doctor Crawford sticks away from the top. I've

1529
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 1: come from a break, but I got a tweet question

1530
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:31,480
Speaker 1: for it. It says some research suggests that male circumcision,

1531
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 1: particularly when performed before the first sexual intercourse, is associated

1532
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:37,719
Speaker 1: with reduced risk of prostate cancer.

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01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 7: Your thoughts, I mean, I mean there are a lot of.

1534
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 8: Again, I go to peer reviewed if the question of

1535
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 8: the audience member wants to send that article to you

1536
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:54,719
Speaker 8: and we can read it, to review it and see.

1537
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 8: All I know is this is, if you are black,

1538
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:03,760
Speaker 8: if you have African ancestry, you have a high risk

1539
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:08,560
Speaker 8: of developing prostate cancer. Now, whether you circumcised or not circumcised,

1540
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:10,680
Speaker 8: if you get cercumcised late in life, that's not going

1541
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 8: to change it. If you have a family history of

1542
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:15,759
Speaker 8: prostate cancer, if you have a family history of breast cancer,

1543
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:18,640
Speaker 8: because a lot of people don't know that. They think, well,

1544
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 8: I don't have a family history of prostate cancer, but

1545
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 8: i have a family history of breast cancer, and I'm

1546
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 8: a guy, I said. The genetics are transferred, So a

1547
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:33,080
Speaker 8: mother can give the genes for prostate can give the

1548
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 8: genes to develop prostate cancer to her son, and a

1549
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:42,280
Speaker 8: father can give the genes that may increase a young

1550
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 8: woman's chance to develop the breast cancer. So there may

1551
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 8: be an indirect, somehow relationship with circumcision. But the fact

1552
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:59,040
Speaker 8: of this, if you're of African descent, your chance of

1553
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 8: developing prostate cancer are extremely high.

1554
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, all I thought, right there, doc, Because we've got

1555
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:06,720
Speaker 1: to step uside for a few minutes to take our

1556
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:08,639
Speaker 1: last look at the traffic weather in our different cities.

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01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this though, get him all over this,

1558
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 1: Robbie too. Listen to the traffic report. Is it true

1559
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 1: that if you melanine, melan causes us to be addicted

1560
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:20,160
Speaker 1: to whether it be chocolate, cocaine, or even cancer. Because

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01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:22,439
Speaker 1: if you are more melanated than other folks, you're more

1562
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 1: susceptible to having You're more prone to having a cancer

1563
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 1: and dealing with more the malities of cancer. I'll let

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01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:30,680
Speaker 1: you respond that when we get back as wrong, I'll

1565
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:32,519
Speaker 1: let you also finish your thought. Family, you got a

1566
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 1: question about cancer, process cancer, breast cancer, reach out to

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01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:39,479
Speaker 1: us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seven six.

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01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 1: You wan't to take your phone calls after the traffic

1569
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:43,600
Speaker 1: and weather. That's next and ground rising family, Thanks for

1570
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:45,800
Speaker 1: rolling with us on this Monday morning. Thanks for starting

1571
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:47,400
Speaker 1: a week with us again. I guess this is one

1572
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 1: of the smart I call them the small one of

1573
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:51,240
Speaker 1: the smart brothers in our community. I keep telling you

1574
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:53,639
Speaker 1: we've got a lot of brilliant people in our community.

1575
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 1: It's a scientist is also a medical doctor's name is

1576
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 1: start to Keith Crawford and he's working on cancer research

1577
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 1: and doctor Crawford in the interesting time, you can forget

1578
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 1: my question, we can put we put that on hold

1579
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:05,280
Speaker 1: till next time about Melanie because I got two folks

1580
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:06,640
Speaker 1: want to talk to you and trying to help some

1581
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 1: people this morning. Also kind of tweet from Ghana as well.

1582
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:12,400
Speaker 1: So let's go straight to the call is online three

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01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:14,640
Speaker 1: to make us calling from Hinesviel in Maryland, Tamika. You're

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01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:16,719
Speaker 1: with doctor Crawford. Your question for doctor Crawford.

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01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 18: Good morning, Good morning everyone. I have a quick question.

1586
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 18: A close friend of mine has lung cancer, stayed for

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01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 18: lung cancer and he was getting chemo treatment for a

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01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:37,680
Speaker 18: little over a month, but his doctor has informed them

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01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:39,520
Speaker 18: that his chemo has stopped.

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01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:43,160
Speaker 5: Due to I guess things are looking good.

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01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 18: But my question is is that normal or what's the

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01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 18: next step for someone to stay for cancer who doctor

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01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 18: has actually instructed him to stop chemo.

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01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:57,360
Speaker 5: What does that mean exactly? Does that mean.

1595
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:05,400
Speaker 18: He needs to do something different or is it How

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01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 18: can I help him go through his process and help

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01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:16,040
Speaker 18: him through his cancer because I've never heard of someone

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01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 18: whether chemo treatment has stopped. Is that normal?

1599
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 7: Okay?

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01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 8: So the answer the question. First thing is, so we

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01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:30,160
Speaker 8: want everybody to understand when we talk about stage four disease,

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01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 8: there's stage one to four, and that means that the

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01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 8: cancer itself, it's a lung cancer that's moved outside the lung,

1604
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:41,080
Speaker 8: so it's in different parts of the body. So just

1605
01:32:41,240 --> 01:32:43,599
Speaker 8: so now you get an idea of what you're treating.

1606
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:51,559
Speaker 8: And there's chemotherapy, but what depending on the type of cancer,

1607
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:55,640
Speaker 8: because we don't know what type of cancer is, chemotherapy

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01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 8: may not be working, but is does your friend live

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01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:02,800
Speaker 8: in the where's your friend lives in the in the

1610
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:05,519
Speaker 8: area near Yes.

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01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:09,960
Speaker 18: Yes, he listened in the MV area. But he said

1612
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:12,080
Speaker 18: that everything looks fine with the chemo, and.

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01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:13,480
Speaker 7: A doctor has distructed.

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01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 18: Him to stop. I just thought chemo.

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01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:18,719
Speaker 7: You can trying it for the end, uh huh No.

1616
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:22,200
Speaker 8: So what happens is what their objective is is that

1617
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 8: we have these technologies now that are able to scan

1618
01:33:25,479 --> 01:33:28,600
Speaker 8: the body and look for areas of cancer. If the

1619
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:33,160
Speaker 8: chemotherapy has worked and it shuts it kills the cancer

1620
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:38,280
Speaker 8: and we can't see it anymore, then watching weight and

1621
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 8: if it comes back again, because he's going to be screaming.

1622
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:41,840
Speaker 7: You talk with him.

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01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:45,759
Speaker 8: He'll be at his doctor's office at least every six months,

1624
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:48,400
Speaker 8: or in this first case, every three months to kind

1625
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:50,639
Speaker 8: of follow to see if they've gotten rid of the cancer.

1626
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:52,760
Speaker 8: But also I want him to let you know you

1627
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 8: please tell him that that to think about and talk

1628
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:59,440
Speaker 8: to his doctor about participating in these cutting edge technologies

1629
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:03,360
Speaker 8: clinical trials. And it's not just for presidents of the

1630
01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 8: United States like Jimmy Carter. It's for every person. So

1631
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:13,120
Speaker 8: these can these next generation clinical trials, especially people of

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01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:17,680
Speaker 8: African descent, especially to people even poor white folks, poor

1633
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:21,439
Speaker 8: black folks. Everybody needs to play a role and look

1634
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:23,920
Speaker 8: in everybody needs to participate in clinical trials. I throw

1635
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:26,479
Speaker 8: that out there because that's going to be important because

1636
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:29,600
Speaker 8: he's going to have access toes cutting into technology.

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01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:33,040
Speaker 1: Right five after the top day, I just keep going

1638
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:35,400
Speaker 1: real quick. Linda's calling from Baltimore. Has a question for

1639
01:34:35,439 --> 01:34:38,519
Speaker 1: your doctor's online three grand Rising, Linda, your question for

1640
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:39,439
Speaker 1: doctor Crawford.

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01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:45,080
Speaker 19: Yeah, I'm grand Rising. I'm really having a plant off.

1642
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:49,920
Speaker 19: I'm right, I've been pronounced did straight up. I'm walking

1643
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:52,760
Speaker 19: dead as I speak to you. Three doctors told me

1644
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:57,160
Speaker 19: that I'm going to die if I do not have

1645
01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:01,360
Speaker 19: chemo on a pacemaker. I have an open sore size

1646
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 19: of a fifty cent piece. I can't even get it

1647
01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 19: to hill. Yeah, I can't get it to hill right.

1648
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 19: So right now I'm at the point where I'm not

1649
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:11,679
Speaker 19: even in the hospital no more. I thought I would

1650
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:14,320
Speaker 19: come home and save my own life because I don't

1651
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:17,679
Speaker 19: think it's wise to put chemo on an open sore.

1652
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:19,719
Speaker 19: They don't already told me I'm going to die.

1653
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 7: I'll be dead if I do that.

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01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:24,759
Speaker 19: For sure, and they got me really scared, so right now,

1655
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:27,360
Speaker 19: and then I just got over not too long acoes

1656
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:32,120
Speaker 19: over internal bleeding. I was sent to the hospital for

1657
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:35,559
Speaker 19: internal bleeding. So my oldness are sitting in blood right

1658
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:39,320
Speaker 19: as we speak. So that ain't wise either. But they

1659
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:42,600
Speaker 19: tell me I have no choice but to have the

1660
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:46,280
Speaker 19: chemo done. So I said, I'm not getting that. So

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01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:48,160
Speaker 19: I just came home and I'm home now. That's where

1662
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:50,679
Speaker 19: I'm at. I've been home there now for like, on

1663
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:52,559
Speaker 19: my own, trying to save my own life with some

1664
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:56,240
Speaker 19: black feedle keep it at bay because I'm not having

1665
01:35:56,240 --> 01:35:58,519
Speaker 19: them put my lights out like that. I think it's

1666
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 19: something else. I should be able to do to save

1667
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:03,200
Speaker 19: my own life. And let me tell you one other thing.

1668
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 19: I have a PageMaker, right, I have a PageMaker. I

1669
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:09,400
Speaker 19: heard it now in for like one on six years.

1670
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:11,559
Speaker 19: And I don't think they gave me a battery.

1671
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:12,120
Speaker 5: Straight up.

1672
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:15,880
Speaker 19: I never got no energy or anything. The chest pain stop.

1673
01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:19,920
Speaker 19: But I think that it's my PageMaker leaking through my

1674
01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:23,679
Speaker 19: chest with ethic because I did not get a battery.

1675
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:26,000
Speaker 19: I don't think I got one, And that makes sense

1676
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 19: to me. It's right there at the breast cancer sore.

1677
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:33,280
Speaker 19: The sight is up from the pacemaker the so I

1678
01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:36,640
Speaker 19: think that's what's going on. So I can't my partiologist,

1679
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:39,759
Speaker 19: he just laughed. It's a whole lot of everything I'm having.

1680
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:41,800
Speaker 19: I'm just catching it, all right.

1681
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:48,599
Speaker 1: Let's give me a chance to respond, Linda. Yeah, well,

1682
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:49,720
Speaker 1: I would hope that.

1683
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:55,639
Speaker 8: So we're in the twenty first century and we have

1684
01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:57,960
Speaker 8: cutting edge technologies that are out there. I mean, you're

1685
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:00,320
Speaker 8: in the DMV. You know you're a hopping on one

1686
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:02,840
Speaker 8: of you guys, Howard. On the other hand, you have

1687
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:08,599
Speaker 8: a lot of the flagship leading hospitals in the United

1688
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:12,280
Speaker 8: States in the world really that can treat these complicated issues.

1689
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:14,760
Speaker 8: The point is you're not going to be able to

1690
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:18,400
Speaker 8: treat that at home. And I respect your choices because

1691
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:20,519
Speaker 8: it's your body and you can choose to do whatever

1692
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:23,599
Speaker 8: you want to do with your body. But I always

1693
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:27,439
Speaker 8: my father said OSEA four to six. Our people died

1694
01:37:27,479 --> 01:37:30,400
Speaker 8: from the lack of knowledge. We don't want you to die.

1695
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:35,160
Speaker 8: We want you to live so you can tell your story.

1696
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 8: So if you can have a better discussion with your

1697
01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:41,160
Speaker 8: doctor to help tease out the complexities of your disease,

1698
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:44,280
Speaker 8: we want you to live. You call this morning because

1699
01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:48,920
Speaker 8: you really want to live, and that's all I can say.

1700
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:52,040
Speaker 8: Would be helpful if you go back to your doctors

1701
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:54,679
Speaker 8: and see how the best way to approach the problem.

1702
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:56,960
Speaker 8: Because you have a lot of problems. But you have

1703
01:37:57,040 --> 01:38:00,960
Speaker 8: a strong spirit, because that's what I heard over the phone,

1704
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:03,760
Speaker 8: This strong spirit and a strong will. Now we just

1705
01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:07,640
Speaker 8: need to combine that strong will with some good medicine

1706
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:13,200
Speaker 8: and science so you can live and tell your story.

1707
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:17,280
Speaker 1: All right, hopefully she can get a touch you before

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Speaker 1: we leave. But listen, doctor Powers, thank you for giving

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Speaker 1: me some man your time here. I got this tweet

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01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:25,559
Speaker 1: question from sister who's listening to us in Ghana. Doctor Crawford,

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01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:28,920
Speaker 1: doctor Serrita. She's a holistic practitioner and she lives in Ghana.

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01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:32,360
Speaker 1: She says, happy, do damn it. Brother. Cancer has a

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01:38:32,439 --> 01:38:35,200
Speaker 1: strong emotional connection. We just don't know how to let

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01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:38,479
Speaker 1: stuff go. Emotional trauma can cause you to eat foods

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01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:40,680
Speaker 1: that are eating you. We are more addicted to our

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01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:44,759
Speaker 1: emotions rather than toxic food or drugs. Once we conquer

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01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:47,559
Speaker 1: and bring balance to our emotional trauma, we can find

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01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:51,280
Speaker 1: discipline be more intentional about our health. Vegetarian is the

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01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:54,920
Speaker 1: way to go, but vegetarians eat too much processed foods.

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01:38:54,920 --> 01:39:03,200
Speaker 1: Fresh is always the best. What say you.

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01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:07,280
Speaker 8: Cut to the chase emotional trauma, stress and anxiety, that

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01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:13,559
Speaker 8: suppressive immune system that allows cancers growth. Second, exactly what

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01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:16,559
Speaker 8: you said, get rid of those processed foods. But that

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01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:21,960
Speaker 8: processed foods is foods that were developed in the Americas.

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01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:26,439
Speaker 8: We'll go back culturally. We had fresh foods every day

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01:39:26,479 --> 01:39:28,360
Speaker 8: we went to the market, we looked at we went

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01:39:29,240 --> 01:39:33,400
Speaker 8: leafy vegetables. So everything that the system is seeing is

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01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:36,640
Speaker 8: absolutely right. I'm just changing the context of how it

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01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:41,519
Speaker 8: was said. Stress, anxiety, depression. We can se immune system

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01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:43,920
Speaker 8: if if we can sue immune system. Cancers can grow

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01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:48,240
Speaker 8: if you don't eat the right diet processed foods. We

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01:39:48,280 --> 01:39:53,000
Speaker 8: should not be eating processed foods. If it's not leafy vegetables,

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01:39:53,240 --> 01:39:58,720
Speaker 8: if it's not beans, if it's not ancestral flowers, I

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01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:03,200
Speaker 8: mean flower, then we should leave them alone. And remember

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01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:06,920
Speaker 8: Biden McGee because here we're not getting a lot.

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Speaker 19: Of suns.

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Speaker 1: And so we have I hate to push you on

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01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:14,439
Speaker 1: because we're running late. And Agnes, is this call from Balton.

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01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:16,519
Speaker 1: We're trying to help some folks this morning. Family is

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01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:19,880
Speaker 1: we do here on this program? Agnes is online too. Agnes,

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01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:22,360
Speaker 1: your question real quick for doctor Keith Crawford.

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Speaker 20: Okay, I have a friend and I hope he is

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01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:28,160
Speaker 20: listening today. He says that when he was diagnosed with

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01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:32,040
Speaker 20: fox day cancer and his doctor has prescribed and it's

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01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:36,200
Speaker 20: giving him radioactive pills to take on a daily basis,

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01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:41,240
Speaker 20: and I'm just wondering if that's good for him.

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01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:44,880
Speaker 7: I don't I don't think that he's in he's in

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01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:47,280
Speaker 7: the United States and he's in Maryland.

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01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:49,599
Speaker 20: Yeah, he's in Maryland exactly.

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01:40:50,200 --> 01:40:50,400
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:52,519
Speaker 8: I think you might have to clarify that I can

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01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:57,280
Speaker 8: give you. He can give us a call and Partial

1753
01:40:57,360 --> 01:41:00,920
Speaker 8: Health Education Network or RAP cancer as a matter of fact,

1754
01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:02,920
Speaker 8: you can call to send it, send a text and

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01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:06,479
Speaker 8: we can talk further. You you don't ingest radioactive pills.

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01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:07,280
Speaker 7: You may be.

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01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:13,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, it may be added to your prostate, but he's

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01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:17,200
Speaker 8: not getting radioactive pills. Getting some hormone therapy but not

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01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:23,320
Speaker 8: radioactive pills. Or they have infusion of something that's radioactive,

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01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:26,040
Speaker 8: but he's not taking the radioactive about.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you, good luck right there? All right?

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01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:35,400
Speaker 1: Twelve at the topic, doctor Crawford, thank you for the

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01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:37,599
Speaker 1: information to share this mine. But how can folks reach you?

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01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:39,719
Speaker 1: Have an email address to you on in social media.

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01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:44,840
Speaker 8: Yes, if anyone can reach me at rap cancer dot

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01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:48,360
Speaker 8: org and it's Cake, I.

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01:41:48,280 --> 01:41:54,120
Speaker 1: Just spell it with a W over the r's are okay,

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01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:57,599
Speaker 1: rap cancer dot org, correct dot org.

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01:41:57,960 --> 01:42:00,560
Speaker 8: And the message can get there. If you want to

1770
01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:06,639
Speaker 8: look for finn Prostate Health Education Network, you can send

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01:42:06,720 --> 01:42:08,760
Speaker 8: us an email and that I'll get in contact or

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01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:09,400
Speaker 8: give us a call.

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Speaker 1: All right, doctor Crawford, thank you, thank you, thank you,

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01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:16,160
Speaker 1: thank you for the work that you do looking out

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01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:17,519
Speaker 1: for us. You know a lot of folks when they

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01:42:17,560 --> 01:42:20,519
Speaker 1: get to your level expertise and whatever profession they're always

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01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:22,960
Speaker 1: working for the other team, but you come back and

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01:42:23,120 --> 01:42:25,640
Speaker 1: helping us. So really really appreciate it, and thank you

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01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:27,719
Speaker 1: for the information you shared with us this morning.

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Speaker 7: And I just want to make.

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01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:31,360
Speaker 8: Sure the ladies out there it's very important to get

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01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:35,479
Speaker 8: screened breast cancer. The incidents of breast cancer is creeping

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01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:39,280
Speaker 8: into the younger age groups. So Black women have the

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01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:42,679
Speaker 8: highest incidents of breast cancer. When you talk about under forty,

1785
01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:45,760
Speaker 8: the younger you get. So we need to and that

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01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:48,920
Speaker 8: goes into that whole issue about stress and anxiety and

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01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:53,240
Speaker 8: a lot of pressure that's on on black women now,

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01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:56,200
Speaker 8: just like the same pressures last month when we talk

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01:42:56,240 --> 01:43:01,240
Speaker 8: about on black men. So I that you talk with

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01:43:01,320 --> 01:43:05,160
Speaker 8: your doctor about getting screen and getting on some kind

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01:43:05,160 --> 01:43:12,120
Speaker 8: of regular schedule to identify your identify cancer earlier.

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Speaker 1: All right, and sister for him on line seven, can

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01:43:15,080 --> 01:43:19,040
Speaker 1: you make it quick for doctor Crawford, it's really really cool.

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Speaker 21: Can you hear me?

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01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:20,920
Speaker 1: Sure?

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01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:24,719
Speaker 21: Yes, I want to talk to the sister that checked

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01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:26,840
Speaker 21: herself out of the hospital. Just like the doctor said,

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01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:29,600
Speaker 21: you're in the DMV area and their number of facilities,

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01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:33,880
Speaker 21: get a second opinion, and also go and look for

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Speaker 21: cancer research study. NIH has research studies. So he's mentioned

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Speaker 21: just as he mentioned, you're in the DMV area and

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01:43:41,439 --> 01:43:45,439
Speaker 21: there's Hopkins, there's Washington Hospital Center. That's where my cardiologist is,

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01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:50,200
Speaker 21: doctor Robinson. But get a second opinion and look for

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01:43:50,760 --> 01:43:52,080
Speaker 21: a research study.

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Speaker 1: All right, Thank you, sister for Hama. Doctor Crawford, all right.

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01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:02,519
Speaker 8: Call, thank you again. Always you want to do the

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01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:05,720
Speaker 8: best we possibly can to make sure people live every day, right,

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01:44:05,800 --> 01:44:06,080
Speaker 8: and then.

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Speaker 1: You're doing it. So I thank you for the work

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01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:09,840
Speaker 1: that you did and come back and all and service

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Speaker 1: our community. Thank you, doctor Crawford. Wow. Family, interesting conversation

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Speaker 1: with doctor Keith Crawford. Let's switch up now in fifteen

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01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:19,840
Speaker 1: after top of the out doctor Tyrone Palace, Doctor Powers,

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Speaker 1: thanks for being so patient with us. We're trying to

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Speaker 1: help some people this morning. Well, thank you for being

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01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:24,280
Speaker 1: so patient with us.

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Speaker 7: No, thank you, and thank you for having me on call.

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01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:30,840
Speaker 7: That was important and significant information. We always talk about

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01:44:31,240 --> 01:44:33,680
Speaker 7: changing our community. Well if you can't, if you're not here,

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01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:37,400
Speaker 7: we can't change our community. As I always say, if

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01:44:37,479 --> 01:44:40,439
Speaker 7: you if you love your children, whether you want to

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01:44:40,479 --> 01:44:42,519
Speaker 7: be here or not, it's insignificant. The fact that the

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01:44:42,600 --> 01:44:45,800
Speaker 7: matter is they need you here. We can't abandon them

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01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:48,400
Speaker 7: on the street corners of this particular nation because we

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01:44:48,479 --> 01:44:50,759
Speaker 7: don't take care of our health. So that health piece

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01:44:51,560 --> 01:44:54,280
Speaker 7: is a part of anything else we do to change

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Speaker 7: our condition and change our situations. As you know, I

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Speaker 7: went through an aggressive about a cancer three years go.

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01:45:00,280 --> 01:45:04,479
Speaker 7: Ended up staying at the Kansas City Cancer Center Treatment

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01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:06,920
Speaker 7: of America or the City or Hope now of being

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01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:11,200
Speaker 7: Illinois for about five months getting a treatment for aggressive cancer.

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Speaker 7: And so I know in fact that that's an important conversation.

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Speaker 7: Sometimes it's difficult to hear, but my philosophy had always

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01:45:19,160 --> 01:45:20,960
Speaker 7: been even when I went up there for treatment. If

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01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:23,679
Speaker 7: you're not here, all the things that you talk about,

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01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:26,400
Speaker 7: all the knowledge that you know, all the people you're

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01:45:26,479 --> 01:45:28,720
Speaker 7: able to help, and all the people you're able to touch,

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01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:32,240
Speaker 7: you can't touch anymore, and they may actually suffer from

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01:45:32,280 --> 01:45:33,920
Speaker 7: a lack of your being here, in the lack of

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01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:36,439
Speaker 7: your analysis. So not only do you want to attend

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01:45:36,479 --> 01:45:38,600
Speaker 7: to your health for yourself, you want to attend to

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01:45:38,680 --> 01:45:42,439
Speaker 7: your health for those who help your children and children's

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01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:44,479
Speaker 7: children and all the other people and all the other

1844
01:45:44,560 --> 01:45:46,360
Speaker 7: things you've done over the course of your life to

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01:45:46,439 --> 01:45:46,600
Speaker 7: be a.

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Speaker 1: Part of the solution and I love that message. And

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01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:52,160
Speaker 1: I'll tell you well, I've got two friends who have

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01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:54,880
Speaker 1: been diagnosed with prostate cancer. They refuse to go to

1849
01:45:54,960 --> 01:45:57,799
Speaker 1: a doctor or holistic doctor. They just refuse to do anything.

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01:45:58,080 --> 01:46:00,599
Speaker 1: They think it's going to disappear overnight. Glad you said

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01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:03,040
Speaker 1: what you said. Anyway, it's seventeen at the top of

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01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:05,160
Speaker 1: the Doctor Powers, I got to take a short way.

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01:46:05,200 --> 01:46:07,040
Speaker 1: We come back, we get into what you were called

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01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:09,280
Speaker 1: to do. Discuss this morning. Family, you want to join us,

1855
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:11,479
Speaker 1: reach out to us at eight hundred and four or

1856
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:14,200
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six and we take the

1857
01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:17,400
Speaker 1: phone calls. Next family, Thanks for starting your week with

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01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:19,639
Speaker 1: us on this Monday morning. I guess this former FBI

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01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:23,600
Speaker 1: agent doctor Tyrone Powers. Doctor Powers just a favorite for

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01:46:23,720 --> 01:46:26,120
Speaker 1: doctor Powers gets started. If you know someone who hasn't listened,

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01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:28,280
Speaker 1: never turned them, call them up and tell them that

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01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:30,840
Speaker 1: doctor Tyrone Pounce is on the radio. They'll thank you

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01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:33,759
Speaker 1: for it. So Doctor Powers. First of all, the government

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01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:35,599
Speaker 1: shutdown that we're going through right now.

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Speaker 7: Your thoughts about that, Well, it's difficult, obviously, the most difficult.

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Speaker 7: The people who are suffering the most of the people

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Speaker 7: who are furlough and are because of all the threats,

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01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:51,280
Speaker 7: are concerned about the ability to take care of their families.

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Speaker 7: In reality, I've talked to some people who I know

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Speaker 7: who work in certain intelligence physicians and they said, it's

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Speaker 7: such a sad situation because doing breaks and doing lunch breaks,

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01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:07,920
Speaker 7: doing dinner breaks, you have these people who are adamantly

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01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:10,960
Speaker 7: at each other's throats, the Democrats and Republicans, and they're

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01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:13,800
Speaker 7: having dinner, they're having lunch, they're laughing together, they're talking

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Speaker 7: about family issues and family vacations. And then when the

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01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:20,640
Speaker 7: cameras come on, they look like the most they it

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Speaker 7: look like they oppose each other, like their enemies. And

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Speaker 7: he said, the sad part about it is that even

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Speaker 7: as they laugh together, and that doesn't mean they're not

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Speaker 7: sincere about the stance they're taken, but even as they

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01:47:31,960 --> 01:47:34,719
Speaker 7: laugh together, they are people in anxiety and fear and stress.

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Speaker 7: In fact, your last your guys guests just talked about

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Speaker 7: the danger and the significance of stress to people who

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01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:43,840
Speaker 7: are already under stressed and sick. So it's not just

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01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:46,240
Speaker 7: a matter of being shut down down and when you

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Speaker 7: go back to work, or if you go back to

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01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:50,760
Speaker 7: work and it's the stress that you are producing and

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01:47:51,080 --> 01:47:54,120
Speaker 7: so many people as to whether they will get to

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Speaker 7: go back to work, and if they go back to work,

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Speaker 7: what it will look like. And I think that the

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01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:04,240
Speaker 7: people who are making the decisions don't really consider that.

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Speaker 7: But that's not a unique situation. I've learned that from

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Speaker 7: my position as a special agent and with the FBI

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01:48:10,920 --> 01:48:14,400
Speaker 7: and also the supervisor with the FBI, that the citizens

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01:48:14,479 --> 01:48:17,080
Speaker 7: sometimes become a means to an end rather than the

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Speaker 7: in and of itself. And that's the difficult thing about this,

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01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:25,640
Speaker 7: the conversation right now, those subtle workers, their employees. The

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01:48:26,479 --> 01:48:29,439
Speaker 7: advantage of the way they're going through this now is

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Speaker 7: that both sides, Republicans and the Democrats, are concerned about

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Speaker 7: people being unemployed as they hit the holiday season, which

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Speaker 7: is the day that companies and corporations go from red

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Speaker 7: to black. So they're getting pressure from the public obviously

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01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:49,640
Speaker 7: to get to settle this thing and however they sell it,

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01:48:49,720 --> 01:48:53,360
Speaker 7: but they're also getting pressure and President Trump is getting

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01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:55,840
Speaker 7: pressure from his corporate friends and saying we can't go

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Speaker 7: into October and November with people being unemployed because this

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01:48:59,720 --> 01:49:01,599
Speaker 7: is when and they spend their money with us, which

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Speaker 7: boosts our business would take us from the red into

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Speaker 7: the black. So there's a lot of consideration, a lot

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Speaker 7: of conversations going on. But the most difficult aspect of

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Speaker 7: this are the people who are phaarlough, who the programs

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Speaker 7: that have been cut, and the people who are losing

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01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:18,080
Speaker 7: services as a result of this, as these people in

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01:49:18,160 --> 01:49:21,320
Speaker 7: positions of power play a game of political chicken.

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Speaker 1: All right, fad me just to join us. I guess this,

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01:49:24,200 --> 01:49:26,920
Speaker 1: Doctor Tyrone Powis is a former FBI agent, and you'd

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Speaker 1: like to speak to him. Reach out to us at

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Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six,

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Speaker 1: doctor Poerce. Recently, the Trump administration had a meeting with

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Speaker 1: some of our top generals. They flew them all in

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Speaker 1: from all across the world and come in for a

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Speaker 1: meeting and sit down meeting and sort of dress them down,

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Speaker 1: if you will. So that's how some people saw it,

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Speaker 1: the significance of that meeting, because people are trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out why couldn't this done by an email? Why

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Speaker 1: couldn't this done by zoom? How do you see it?

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Speaker 7: Well, there's a couple of things here that is a

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Speaker 7: clear indication the disadministration and all those who are having

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Speaker 7: these agencies. The Secretary of Defense, he can call hisself

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Speaker 7: the secretary with the Secretary his title to the Secretary

1931
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Speaker 7: of War. Come back from the early the Eisenhower administration

1932
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Speaker 7: when the Dulles brothers, Alan and Foster believe that there

1933
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Speaker 7: should be a Department of War instead of a Department

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Speaker 7: of Defense. And he's just regressing to that and hoping

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Speaker 7: that people don't realize and understand that history and how

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Speaker 7: austray it went with the Cuba and missile crisis and

1937
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Speaker 7: everything else during that particular time. But it just a

1938
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Speaker 7: clear indication of their lack of understanding of how intelligence

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Speaker 7: work around here and around the world. And I'm sure

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Speaker 7: that heads of intelligence agencies, whether they're in Russia or China,

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Speaker 7: is kind of laughing at this. First of all. Strategically,

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Speaker 7: strategically and historically, you can go back centuries, you never

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Speaker 7: bring all your military leaders together in one place at

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Speaker 7: one time, even if you have high security, only because

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Speaker 7: if something happened at that place and at that time,

1946
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Speaker 7: they dispersing them and getting messages would be a difficult proposition,

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Speaker 7: even in the age of advanced technology. So it's not

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Speaker 7: even a good strategic move. I'm just talking about summing

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Speaker 7: them to all play one place in one time, because

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Speaker 7: you just never do that. There's no intelligence agency or

1951
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Speaker 7: intelligence apparatus or security apparatus in the world in any

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Speaker 7: country that would assemble all the people in one location

1953
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Speaker 7: at one particular time. You know, we even have policies

1954
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Speaker 7: in this particular country which try to keep the president

1955
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Speaker 7: and the vice president separated as much as they can.

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Speaker 7: Hawking back to what happened in Dallas, Van Johnson and

1957
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Speaker 7: Kennedy was in the same motiicate, and then after that

1958
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Speaker 7: we said, no, we can't have them in close proximity

1959
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Speaker 7: to each other at the same time if we can

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Speaker 7: help it, maybe for a short period of time at

1961
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Speaker 7: the White House or on some trip, but usually we

1962
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Speaker 7: separate them for that very reason so that they're not

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Speaker 7: in one place. So it's just a clear indication then

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Speaker 7: we're under administration that it's trying to mimic some history

1965
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Speaker 7: without an understanding of how this thing works worldwide and

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Speaker 7: other nations, whether it's China who have actually increased their

1967
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Speaker 7: intelligence apparatus and their military lorialization and their military apparatus,

1968
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Speaker 7: or Russia who has had it by Vladimir Putin, who

1969
01:52:17,560 --> 01:52:20,040
Speaker 7: used to be had of what was then called the KGB,

1970
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Speaker 7: who understand intelligence from the time that they were in

1971
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Speaker 7: their mid teens, are looking at this and it's a

1972
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Speaker 7: clear indication that they're dealing with amateurs in a nation

1973
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Speaker 7: with vast capabilities, but without vast intelligence at the intelligence level.

1974
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Speaker 7: It's for them to have an intelligence briefing with the

1975
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Speaker 7: military people there, it's just not very intelligent. Secondly, there

1976
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Speaker 7: are people in that room right or wrong, doesn't mean

1977
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Speaker 7: you like them or dislike them, who have so much

1978
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Speaker 7: military understanding and brilliants who fought in wars, who have

1979
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Speaker 7: read intelligence reports, who have looked at and reviewed the

1980
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Speaker 7: intelligence reports of other nations through the intelligence apparatus. That's

1981
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Speaker 7: part of what I did was I worked the feign

1982
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Speaker 7: counter intelligence and intelligence with the FBI, who are saying

1983
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Speaker 7: to themselves and listening to Peter Headset and listening to

1984
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Speaker 7: him give this message that other nations and intelligence agencies

1985
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Speaker 7: are hearing and saying, this is the worst possible thing

1986
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Speaker 7: that can happen. Now, we were trained that you march

1987
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Speaker 7: for whoever is the president, whether they are the jackass

1988
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Speaker 7: or the elephant, whoever they are the agencies and the

1989
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Speaker 7: individuals who work for these agencies. The military command staff

1990
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Speaker 7: march for whoever is in office, because their mind is

1991
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Speaker 7: specifically and narrowly set on the defense of the nation,

1992
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Speaker 7: so to speak, or the mission that the president has

1993
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Speaker 7: in place. But they'll they'll sit there and listen to it.

1994
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Speaker 7: They didn't understand it. It was the clear indication that

1995
01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:51,479
Speaker 7: the inmates are run in the asylum, but they will

1996
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Speaker 7: continue to do their job. But it made no logical sense,

1997
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Speaker 7: and around the world it was kind of an embarrassment,

1998
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Speaker 7: even though countries won't say it at this particular point

1999
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Speaker 7: because of the threat of Trump.

2000
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Speaker 1: Having said all of that in twenty seven. At the

2001
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Speaker 1: top are the fact that here's here's a five time

2002
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Speaker 1: draft dodger that you never put on a uniform, and

2003
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Speaker 1: he's going to tell us how to work what we

2004
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Speaker 1: should do. Did do you think that went over? It's

2005
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Speaker 1: like I'm telling the plumber what to do. I've never

2006
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Speaker 1: i don't know anything about plumbing or electrician, and I'm

2007
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Speaker 1: telling them how to do their job. How do you

2008
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Speaker 1: think that went over?

2009
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Speaker 11: It?

2010
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Speaker 7: It didn't go very well. They won't voice that because

2011
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Speaker 7: they're military people, and military people follow the chain of command.

2012
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Speaker 7: So they won't express it publicly. They may express it privately.

2013
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Speaker 7: They may express it amongst each other, and they may

2014
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Speaker 7: express because it was such a a unprecedented and ramlin

2015
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Speaker 7: presentation that truly indicated more than anything of lack of

2016
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Speaker 7: understanding of how it works. They are probably in there

2017
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Speaker 7: and they will never say this, and they never admit this.

2018
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Speaker 7: They're putting contingency plans in place because this technically is

2019
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Speaker 7: not a monarchy. So technically the three branches of government,

2020
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Speaker 7: the government itself is not dictated by one individual, and

2021
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Speaker 7: you cannot allow one individual to undo according with these

2022
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Speaker 7: military leaders and intelligence officials and others, all that have

2023
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Speaker 7: been done over the years. So even as these things

2024
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Speaker 7: are taking place, they're probably contingency plans in place, which

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Speaker 7: creates a whole nother chaotic condition. And the Russians all where,

2026
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Speaker 7: but especially Vladimir pet again one thing about whether you

2027
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Speaker 7: like her or liked her a ditionlike didn't like her

2028
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Speaker 7: politics conderlyse Rice did numerous books, did several books on

2029
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Speaker 7: the mind of the Russian leadership, including their intelligence agency.

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Speaker 7: She wrote some detailed books that Stanford about this, which

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Speaker 7: is why Bush brought on as a national security advisor. Again,

2032
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Speaker 7: you don't have to like their politics, but I'm just

2033
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Speaker 7: talking about their qualifications. And if you read her books,

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Speaker 7: she can clearly understand how these people dissect the mind

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Speaker 7: of presidents of the United States and every other nation.

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Speaker 7: The psychological filet and the behavioral analysis is part of

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Speaker 7: your defense mechanism. Is how you decide on the strategies

2038
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Speaker 7: you're gonna put in place, when you're gonna put it

2039
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Speaker 7: in place, and how you're gonna put him in place.

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Speaker 7: And they're watching this too. It didn't go well. Now,

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Speaker 7: let me say this to you. Initially, the whole philosophy

2042
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Speaker 7: of having the president as commander in chief was the

2043
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Speaker 7: idea that you would have a civilian rather than a

2044
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Speaker 7: military hawk over the government. And that was their exceptions

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Speaker 7: obviously with Truman, with Eisenhowell, who were both military commanders,

2046
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Speaker 7: and then even with President Kennedy who was in the

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Speaker 7: military and wrote a book about his leadership on Pg.

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Speaker 7: One oh nine when he got injured on the boat

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Speaker 7: which led partly to him not being able to get

2050
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Speaker 7: down during this assassination, which is another story. But so

2051
01:56:45,320 --> 01:56:48,839
Speaker 7: we've had civilian people in those positions, but in almost

2052
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Speaker 7: every case, to some extent, they have been intelligent enough

2053
01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:58,160
Speaker 7: to delegate and to bring in people politics aside, like

2054
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Speaker 7: a condoles of rights or other people who understood intelligence, history,

2055
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Speaker 7: strategy and these things, and what the president did being

2056
01:57:08,240 --> 01:57:12,880
Speaker 7: essentially incompetent on these issues themselves, but then other incompetent people.

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Speaker 7: That's why it is unprecedented to have a Pete headset

2058
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Speaker 7: heading their defense agency. Usually if you're a president and

2059
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Speaker 7: you're not Eisenhoward Trubren, you haven't been a military command,

2060
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Speaker 7: and then you bring in people who have been because

2061
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Speaker 7: you expect their knowledge over your knowledge. You are elected

2062
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Speaker 7: because of your popularity or because of your presentation, or

2063
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Speaker 7: because of who people didn't like, not based on your

2064
01:57:37,640 --> 01:57:42,360
Speaker 7: expertise on all things military and intelligence, and defense obviously

2065
01:57:42,720 --> 01:57:45,200
Speaker 7: is the number one aspect of any particular nation, because

2066
01:57:45,200 --> 01:57:47,160
Speaker 7: if you can't defend your nation, you really don't have

2067
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Speaker 7: an independent nation. So that's what we're looking at this

2068
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Speaker 7: particular situation.

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Speaker 15: And they all know it.

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Speaker 7: All those military leaders who had fought in those wars

2071
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Speaker 7: and rumors right or wrong, good wars and wars that

2072
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Speaker 7: they should never have been involved in, in secret operations

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Speaker 7: and covert operations. All of them know that they're looking

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Speaker 7: at an administration and the top of organizations like the

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Speaker 7: Secretary of Defense, who don't have a clear understanding of

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Speaker 7: how this thing is done, and they do understand that

2077
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Speaker 7: they're putting us country more at risk than they are

2078
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Speaker 7: at any other advantage. Which is why China is getting

2079
01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:23,960
Speaker 7: bold and bolder in this expansion, both militarily and in

2080
01:58:24,040 --> 01:58:27,720
Speaker 7: its relationships with African nations and nations another part of

2081
01:58:27,800 --> 01:58:29,280
Speaker 7: the world in the Middle East and so on and

2082
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Speaker 7: so forth, because they believe they have someone who don't

2083
01:58:31,920 --> 01:58:34,680
Speaker 7: understand it that they can have a conversation with. They

2084
01:58:34,760 --> 01:58:37,800
Speaker 7: can give a few concessions to on Turffs, but what

2085
01:58:38,040 --> 01:58:41,160
Speaker 7: weaken the nation technically militarily.

2086
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Speaker 1: Twenty twenty eight minutes away from the top of other

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Speaker 1: Doctor Terren Powers, as I mentioned, he's a former FBI

2088
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Speaker 1: agent and doctor Powers cash Betail and now runs a

2089
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Speaker 1: department that you were involved. Is he on the brink?

2090
01:58:53,640 --> 01:58:56,160
Speaker 1: Is some people are upset with his reaction to the

2091
01:58:56,280 --> 01:58:59,360
Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk shooting. If he was at this fancy Manhattan

2092
01:58:59,440 --> 01:59:02,160
Speaker 1: restaurant when they're shooting and he didn't rush out right

2093
01:59:02,200 --> 01:59:04,520
Speaker 1: away and he gave to the account, you know, also

2094
01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:07,800
Speaker 1: the missteps that he made, and they're adding them up

2095
01:59:07,840 --> 01:59:10,400
Speaker 1: and saying that he'll soon be replaced. I don't know

2096
01:59:10,440 --> 01:59:12,640
Speaker 1: if you've got any intelligence that you can share with us,

2097
01:59:12,680 --> 01:59:15,040
Speaker 1: for folks who you work with or people who are

2098
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Speaker 1: still in the agency.

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Speaker 7: But what do you know, Well, he's not very respected

2100
01:59:19,320 --> 01:59:21,640
Speaker 7: in the agency because of his lack of knowledge, lack

2101
01:59:21,680 --> 01:59:24,680
Speaker 7: of discipline, and lack of what they call discretion in

2102
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Speaker 7: other words, So when that particular incident occurred, the fact

2103
01:59:30,640 --> 01:59:36,080
Speaker 7: that he came out immediately that he usurped the authority

2104
01:59:36,400 --> 01:59:41,400
Speaker 7: and the professionalism of the local agencies because what the FBI.

2105
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Speaker 7: The reason that Jegi Hoover created the FBI's National Academy

2106
01:59:45,080 --> 01:59:48,200
Speaker 7: is that there was this feeling and it wasn't about

2107
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Speaker 7: some evidence that the FBI always came in under this supremacy,

2108
01:59:53,320 --> 01:59:56,640
Speaker 7: cause fulosity that the federal government has power over the

2109
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Speaker 7: state and local government and took over cases and subjugated

2110
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Speaker 7: the agencies. Well after that, realizing that that was actually

2111
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Speaker 7: hindering FBI investigations, hindering what police agencies who were on

2112
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Speaker 7: the ground every single day, was willing to share with

2113
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Speaker 7: the FBI, they decided to create what they called the

2114
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Speaker 7: National Academy, which they bring in police chiefs, police commanders,

2115
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Speaker 7: and not only do they train them in the most

2116
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Speaker 7: advanced technology and resources that the FBI and other intelligence

2117
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Speaker 7: agencies or other law enforcement agencies have around the world,

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Speaker 7: but they tried to develop a relationship. At Quantico Virginia,

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Speaker 7: there's a location called the Boardroom, which is like a

2120
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Speaker 7: bar and lounge within the training facility at Quantico Virginia.

2121
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Speaker 7: And the hope was that after classes during a day

2122
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Speaker 7: with these police chiefs, commanders, supervisors, so on, and so forth,

2123
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Speaker 7: they would go up, they would have informal conversation, and

2124
02:00:48,480 --> 02:00:50,640
Speaker 7: you would create a relationship. So when you had an

2125
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Speaker 7: incident like what happened in Uchae, the director of the

2126
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Speaker 7: FBI or any other agent special agent in charge of

2127
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Speaker 7: that particular division in that location, wouldn't you serve the

2128
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Speaker 7: power of the local authorities and try to make them

2129
02:01:03,320 --> 02:01:07,120
Speaker 7: look bad or incompetent by putting out information without it

2130
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Speaker 7: being a joint press conference, a joint conversation, or at

2131
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Speaker 7: the very least getting permission or a nod if not permission,

2132
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Speaker 7: if not formal permission from that agency that you can

2133
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Speaker 7: put this particular thing out, So you're creating now with

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Speaker 7: this particular FBI director, a more of an antagonistic relationship

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Speaker 7: between the state and local agencies. They won't voice it. Again,

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Speaker 7: all of them need federal funding from this president for

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Speaker 7: their agencies to function. Because there's not a police agency

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Speaker 7: in the United States that doesn't get some federal funding.

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Speaker 7: It didn't get some federal help to carry out the

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Speaker 7: task and deeds that they do, they won't voice it.

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Speaker 7: But this is a unique situation for them for a

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Speaker 7: director of the FBI to be tweeting about a case

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Speaker 7: that at that time was essentially being handled by the

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Speaker 7: local police department because it was a murder, It wasn't politically,

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Speaker 7: he wasn't in a political office. He wasn't. Now the

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Speaker 7: FBI and at the behest of the local police or

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Speaker 7: the behest of the mayor or the governor of a

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Speaker 7: state come in and help them with that investigation. But

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Speaker 7: at that time it belonged to them. And so the

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Speaker 7: FBI director had no business whatsoever of sending out tweets

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Speaker 7: or press conferences or updates because at that time it

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Speaker 7: was still a local matter, and he overstepped his downs.

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Speaker 7: So and there is more of a heightened antagonism, and

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Speaker 7: these antagonisms are not minor in this sense that the

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Speaker 7: FBI can do nothing in terms of solving investigations of

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Speaker 7: our assistants from local police officers, local organizations in state

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Speaker 7: and entities because the agents are not on the ground

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Speaker 7: like that. You've got to remember there's twenty nine to

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Speaker 7: thirty thousand FBI agents in the entire nation with a

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Speaker 7: priority of fighting terrorism, counter terrorism, homeland security. They got

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Speaker 7: two hundred and sixty on federal violations that they have

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Speaker 7: to be involved in, so there's just not another for

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Speaker 7: them to go around, despite the technology and the force multipliers,

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Speaker 7: which is the technology in their relationships, but relationships is

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Speaker 7: one of those force multipliers. And when you have a

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Speaker 7: director of the FBI who are mitigating and overstepping boundaries

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Speaker 7: or things that have been built up so that the

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Speaker 7: force multiplier of relationships wouldn't be mitigating, then you have

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Speaker 7: a situation that create chaos. And some of them are

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Speaker 7: probably if not overtly, but covertly mentioning this to the

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Speaker 7: President and his administration, the disrespect of this particular situation,

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Speaker 7: and they hope it doesn't happen in the area and

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Speaker 7: then to go along with that, you have a president

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Speaker 7: who's senter National Guard in the cities where state and

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Speaker 7: local entities don't want them.

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Speaker 1: And I thought, right there, Doc, we've got to step

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Speaker 1: aside for a few hours. We'll come back. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: about that as well, and Mike and DC has a

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Speaker 1: comment or a question for you. Family, YouTube can join

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Speaker 1: our conversation. Doctor Tyrone Powers, doctor Powers, the former FBI

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Speaker 1: agent's got a good book out as well as more

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Speaker 1: about that before he leaves. But reach out to us

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Speaker 1: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six.

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Speaker 1: More ticket phone calls, all your phone calls. Next and

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Speaker 1: Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on this

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Speaker 1: Monday morning. Thanks for starting your week with us. It's

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Speaker 1: nineteen minutes away from the top of the hour with

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Speaker 1: our guests that doctor Tyron Powers, doctor Powers is a

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Speaker 1: retired or FBI agent and now teaches college. You got

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Speaker 1: a question about what's going on in the government, reach

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Speaker 1: out to us at eight hundred four or five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six before we go back to Dr Powis,

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Speaker 1: I remind you come up later this week and hear

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Speaker 1: from Political blog of branded. Also Black Lives Matter grassroots

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Speaker 1: founder doctor Millia Abdullah will be with us, and also

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Speaker 1: Baltimore activist Call Call so and will join us as well.

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Speaker 1: So if you are in Baltimore, make sure you're radio's

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Speaker 1: and AM fourteen fifty WL. All right, doctor Powers, why

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Speaker 1: don't you finish your thought that Mike has a question

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Speaker 1: or a comment for you from Washington, DC.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I was saying those relationships that have been built, man,

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Speaker 7: most people a bound about them of being severed by

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Speaker 7: this administration. The state and local governments. Even the organizations

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Speaker 7: that are usually more in tune with this kind of administrations,

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Speaker 7: like the FOP a little bit concerned because when you

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Speaker 7: send in federal troops, what you're saying is that and

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Speaker 7: you're saying that the cities have failed. You're specifically saying

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Speaker 7: that police command, police officers, police lieutendants, police officers have failed,

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Speaker 7: and you've got to come in and show them how

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Speaker 7: it's done. That's the subtle message. So therein even they

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Speaker 7: have kind of a problem here is this is difficult

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Speaker 7: for them because they like the conservatism of this president.

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Speaker 7: That organization have always not been very progressive in my opinion.

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Speaker 7: But on the other hand, the subtle message is that

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Speaker 7: I'm going to send in federal people because your people

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Speaker 7: are somehow incompetent and can't do what need to be

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Speaker 7: due to dramatically reduced crime in the city station nation.

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Speaker 7: So the FOP is of an organization that they want

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Speaker 7: the resources, but at the same time they see that

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Speaker 7: they're being insulted even as they're being by the very

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Speaker 7: people who in the philosophy that they support from a

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Speaker 7: political standpoint. So it's an interesting time about relationships that

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Speaker 7: have been built up over the years that are being severed,

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Speaker 7: intelligence organizations and intelligence operations, and connections and relationships with

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Speaker 7: other nations that in the past have assisted in mitigating

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Speaker 7: their likelihood of reducing the likelihood of terrorist attack here

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Speaker 7: because other nations who had a relationship with the United States,

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Speaker 7: and for no other reason than quid pro quote, would

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Speaker 7: give the US information about potential terrorist attacks that were

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Speaker 7: going to happen in the United States. But they're not

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Speaker 7: so inclined to do that anymore. They're under the threat

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Speaker 7: of tariffs, they're being they're being mitigated verbally, and so

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Speaker 7: they're not an intelligence. The whole business of intelligence is

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Speaker 7: based on getting information from other people, other nations, other

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Speaker 7: intelligence agencies around the world, who you've developed quick pro

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Speaker 7: quo relationships with. Not because they love the United States,

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Speaker 7: because as Eisenhower was said, when he's president, no permanent friends,

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Speaker 7: no permanent enemies, just permanent interests. But they had an

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Speaker 7: interest to make sure the United States stays strong because

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Speaker 7: when the United States stays strong, it helped their economy

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Speaker 7: to help their people. But when you get into a

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Speaker 7: situation like this, we have seven relationships that make the

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Speaker 7: citizens of this country more vulnerable, and sometime we see it,

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Speaker 7: sometime we don't. Obviously, racism trumps everything. So if Trump

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Speaker 7: continued to strike that brush fire and turn that into

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Speaker 7: a forest fire, then all the other things that he's

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Speaker 7: burning down won't mean much to the average citizen because

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Speaker 7: they don't understand it.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha fifteen away from the top. As I mentioned, Mike's

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Speaker 1: waiting for us in DC, has a comment or a

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Speaker 1: question for you online to ground Rise and mikey on

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Speaker 1: with doctor Tyrone Powers.

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Speaker 15: Grand Rising to you, mister Nelson, mister Powers and uh,

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Speaker 15: mister Kevin. Uh, mister Powers, I'll follow you a lot.

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Speaker 15: I admire your intelligence everything you do. You're really on point,

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Speaker 15: but you're off on this one. Lloyd Austin, are you serious?

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Speaker 15: Pete had said, compared to Loye Austin will get at

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Speaker 15: a Chinese airplane, balloons come across the United States, the

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Speaker 15: fall of Aghanistan. You went out sick for a whole

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Speaker 15: week and didn't let your president know what's going on Ukraine,

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Speaker 15: compared to Pete of that like that. But Pete has said,

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Speaker 15: did what he's doing right now bringing people back to

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Speaker 15: the United States, recruiting numbers stuff. Everything is up right now.

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Speaker 15: Oh yeah, the United States is doing really well. People

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Speaker 15: respect us around the country right now, around the world

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Speaker 15: right now. Just what the Trump people wanted and they

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Speaker 15: voted for and they get what they like. I call

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Speaker 15: on this radio show, I got a car, I got

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Speaker 15: you ninety nine percent correct. A lot of things out

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Speaker 15: threw at you all. Y'all don't realize what's going on.

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Speaker 7: What's going on.

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Speaker 15: When the city's right now, Trump going into the cities

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Speaker 15: and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: Not do it.

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Speaker 15: It's not undermining the FOP and anything like this. These

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Speaker 15: federal buildings are being attacked and the staff they're understaff

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Speaker 15: are unmanned with the funding of the police, and they

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Speaker 15: they're asking for help, but because of political pressure from

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Speaker 15: the mayors and the governors and stuff like that, they're

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Speaker 15: afraid and they're embarrassing and they don't want to say

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Speaker 15: they want Trump up. The constituents, the people of the

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Speaker 15: cities of Memphis, of Baltimore, they're begging for these people

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Speaker 15: come in, but the politicians that they're trying to say

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Speaker 15: they don't want Trump. So, you know, I disagree with

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Speaker 15: you that I followed. I think of like ninety five

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Speaker 15: ninety percent of the time you're right, but you're wrong

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Speaker 15: on this one.

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Speaker 1: Have a good day, thanks, Michael, and keep listening though,

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Speaker 1: okayse she made some statements, and listen because I know

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Speaker 1: doctor Powers wants to respond. Go ahead, doctor Powers.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't disagree with Mike that the cities want

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Speaker 7: to nobody. Every city in this particular nation, every community,

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Speaker 7: every neighborhood, and especially in our communities went to dramatically

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Speaker 7: reduce crime. They want a collaboration in the rejection of crime,

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Speaker 7: and now they take over or dictator ship. We could

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Speaker 7: reduce crime permanently this particular nation, if we instituted the

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Speaker 7: government of North Korea because they don't have murders and

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Speaker 7: crime in their country because of a kind of a dictatorship.

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Speaker 7: Same thing in Russia and the Krimlin. So I don't

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Speaker 7: think you're wrong. I think people do want assistance from

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Speaker 7: the federal government. I think police departments love assistance from

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Speaker 7: the federal government. But they don't want to be subjugated.

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Speaker 7: They want a collaboration. They are asking this president and

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Speaker 7: any other president to be quite frank with you, because

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Speaker 7: Clinton increased the number of policing and police staffs and

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Speaker 7: police agencies. They're saying, come in, we do need your resources. Clearly,

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Speaker 7: we don't want local taxes that have to pay for

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Speaker 7: all of this. We don't Nobody wants to be a

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Speaker 7: victim of a murderer or rapist, or a robber or

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Speaker 7: a carjacker. So we do want all we want collaboration

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Speaker 7: between the federal state and local agencies in our particular cities.

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Speaker 7: But we want it done as a collaboration, not as

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Speaker 7: a subjugation. And that's all I'm saying to you. I'm

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Speaker 7: not saying that people haven't asked for the help, that

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Speaker 7: people don't want to help, that people don't want crime reduced.

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Speaker 7: I was in Chicago two weeks ago giving presentations in

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Speaker 7: the community to different organizations who are asking me, how

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Speaker 7: do we accept that will help to dramatically reduce crime

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Speaker 7: Because I don't want to walk out my door and

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Speaker 7: be victim to a rape, or robber or a carjacker.

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Speaker 7: I don't care what race, color, creed, or gender that

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Speaker 7: they are. So we do need more of a presence.

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Speaker 7: But how do we do that without turning our communities

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Speaker 7: into occupied territories? And so that's all I'm saying. I

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Speaker 7: don't think what you are saying is in total disagreement

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Speaker 7: with what I'm saying. I'm saying that what has happened

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Speaker 7: with this administration is more of a subjugation. We're coming

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Speaker 7: in and taking over rather than a collaboration. How can

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Speaker 7: we come in and assist and help. I've said recently,

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Speaker 7: even here in this town that we're living in and Maryland,

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Speaker 7: because they're concerned about Morgan State University's homecoming event this week,

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Speaker 7: I said, this is the apotomy that you need a

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Speaker 7: collaboration so that you can police the perimeter of the event,

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Speaker 7: make sure everybody is safety. The collaboration between the Maryland

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Speaker 7: State Police and the Baltimore City Police or the federal government,

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Speaker 7: whatever intelligence apparatus they have to let you know what

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Speaker 7: the threats are. Everybody wants that cooperation. So I don't

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Speaker 7: disagree with that whatsoever. But what I will say, and

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Speaker 7: probably partially disagreeing, is that you have a Secretary of

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Speaker 7: War or Defense whose present he's talking to people who

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Speaker 7: are experts at what they do in terms of military

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Speaker 7: operations and intelligence operations. That doesn't mean that they can't

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Speaker 7: get advice, insight, and leadership from the Secretary of Defense.

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Speaker 7: It just means that they don't want to be talked

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Speaker 7: down to. They don't want to paternalistic relationship, because it's

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Speaker 7: not light that they have not done their job in

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Speaker 7: terms of the US military in their mind, all around

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Speaker 7: the world, in providing defense for this particular nation. It's

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02:12:55,120 --> 02:12:57,440
Speaker 7: not like they haven't done their defense, their job at

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Speaker 7: the Naval Academy, at the at West, at the Army Academy,

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Speaker 7: at the individuals who go day and night or in

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Speaker 7: such under the oceans for six months a year and

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Speaker 7: in the and who are doing the work. They just

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Speaker 7: don't want to be talked down to a paternalistic relationship.

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Speaker 7: So I don't think i'm totally you're totally disagreeing.

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Speaker 22: With me at all.

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Speaker 7: I'm not saying that they don't want collaboration and help.

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Speaker 22: They don't.

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Speaker 7: People want crimes to reduced dramatically, But there's also a

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Speaker 7: method to that that impacts it long term as opposed

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Speaker 7: to short term. And I think that's the difference in

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Speaker 7: our opinion. Here. You do have a Secretary of Defense

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02:13:35,480 --> 02:13:39,600
Speaker 7: that clearly don't understand how this is done in a

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Speaker 7: way that's effective and impactful. This doesn't mean that he

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02:13:42,960 --> 02:13:46,080
Speaker 7: can't provide some leadership and insight, but the way he's

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Speaker 7: doing it in a paternalistic condesend and relationship does cause

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Speaker 7: some consternation. And then not only that, it caused some

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Speaker 7: consternation around the world. And trust me, the Russians may

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Speaker 7: listen to the United States because you're dealing with two

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Speaker 7: superpowers along with China and some other nations, but they

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02:14:04,960 --> 02:14:09,120
Speaker 7: are also always looking for weaknesses in leadership and understanding

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Speaker 7: and in operations. And that's fact, that's not hypothetical. I'm

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02:14:14,160 --> 02:14:16,800
Speaker 7: not giving you that information from my emotion. I'm giving

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Speaker 7: you that from my experience working counterintelligence.

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Speaker 1: All right, and also, you know typical Republican talking points.

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Speaker 1: He also wants you to compare Lloyd Austin to Pete.

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Speaker 1: Heseath he thinks of heccess. He's doing a brilliant job,

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02:14:29,480 --> 02:14:32,000
Speaker 1: Lloyd Austin, because you have the health issues and didn't

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Speaker 1: inform his supervisors. So help him out on that point

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Speaker 1: for us doctor powers.

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Speaker 7: Well, listen, I'm not going to debate what Lord Austin

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02:14:41,040 --> 02:14:43,080
Speaker 7: should have done or couldn't have done his health issues

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02:14:43,160 --> 02:14:45,040
Speaker 7: and all like that. You can't be in that particular

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Speaker 7: position without hopefully being at one hundred percent. I'm not

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Speaker 7: saying that, but Pete had said is absolutely, unequivocally not

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Speaker 7: qualified for this particular position. And I don't think anybody

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Speaker 7: around the world, besides those in this nation who like

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02:15:00,120 --> 02:15:03,839
Speaker 7: Trump and then like whoever he appoints to a certain position,

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02:15:04,240 --> 02:15:09,400
Speaker 7: would argue that. From a very academic standpoint, I think

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Speaker 7: if you look at the history of people who have

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02:15:11,880 --> 02:15:16,600
Speaker 7: headed the Defense Department, besides the health issues and the

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02:15:16,720 --> 02:15:19,800
Speaker 7: other issues and the administrative issues that the caller was

2395
02:15:19,880 --> 02:15:23,280
Speaker 7: talking about, I don't think if you look at their qualifications,

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02:15:23,360 --> 02:15:27,040
Speaker 7: their mindset, their understanding of intelligence, the people they put

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Speaker 7: in place, and the way they run their shop, even

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02:15:29,520 --> 02:15:32,360
Speaker 7: though they were strong leaders, would suggest to you that

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02:15:32,520 --> 02:15:39,080
Speaker 7: this secretary of defense understands the history of this particular

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02:15:39,200 --> 02:15:42,840
Speaker 7: nation defense or intelligence to the point where other people

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02:15:42,880 --> 02:15:44,560
Speaker 7: around the world are going to respect them. You might

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02:15:44,640 --> 02:15:47,600
Speaker 7: respect them here because of our political mindset and because

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02:15:47,640 --> 02:15:49,680
Speaker 7: of politics. But I'm just talking to I'm not even

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02:15:49,720 --> 02:15:53,280
Speaker 7: talking about politics. I've always said that the student of

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02:15:53,400 --> 02:15:56,000
Speaker 7: the honorbiologic Muhammed and Malcolm x set he said, I'm

2406
02:15:56,040 --> 02:15:58,960
Speaker 7: not a Democrat or Republican and got sense enough to

2407
02:15:59,000 --> 02:16:00,760
Speaker 7: know it. I'm not a jack ass or an elephant.

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02:16:00,800 --> 02:16:03,120
Speaker 7: So this is not a political.

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02:16:04,320 --> 02:16:04,920
Speaker 22: Point of view.

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Speaker 7: This is a strategic point of view that is based

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02:16:08,040 --> 02:16:11,360
Speaker 7: in some realism about how nations work work. No matter

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02:16:11,440 --> 02:16:14,760
Speaker 7: what they say out of their mouth, they also know

2413
02:16:14,960 --> 02:16:19,080
Speaker 7: when you have a qualified leader in a position of power.

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02:16:19,640 --> 02:16:23,920
Speaker 7: And they also know when you are actually motivating or

2415
02:16:24,480 --> 02:16:28,040
Speaker 7: supporting those who you lead, as opposed to integrating them

2416
02:16:28,560 --> 02:16:32,200
Speaker 7: and weakening yourself for the long term. And they will

2417
02:16:32,200 --> 02:16:34,080
Speaker 7: take advantage of that. They won't come out and say it,

2418
02:16:34,320 --> 02:16:37,280
Speaker 7: but they'll take advantage of that. That's what intelligence is about.

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02:16:37,280 --> 02:16:42,519
Speaker 7: It's about finding weaknesses, exploiting them and then not necessarily

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02:16:42,600 --> 02:16:45,520
Speaker 7: come out and having a conversation about it, because you know,

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02:16:45,760 --> 02:16:48,800
Speaker 7: intelligence even all the way back to George Washington, the

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02:16:48,879 --> 02:16:53,199
Speaker 7: first president, when he said that, he said, intelligent fails

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02:16:53,280 --> 02:16:55,840
Speaker 7: for the lack of us keeping our mouths shut, of

2424
02:16:55,920 --> 02:16:59,760
Speaker 7: a lack of secrets. Heads of intelligence agencies and strategic

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02:17:00,040 --> 02:17:02,560
Speaker 7: fence agencies are supposed to get the work done without

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Speaker 7: giving presentation speeches or calling all these people together. All

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02:17:06,520 --> 02:17:09,320
Speaker 7: the way back to George Washington, he said intelligence operations

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02:17:09,400 --> 02:17:12,320
Speaker 7: failed for the lack of secrecy, for the people ahead

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02:17:12,360 --> 02:17:15,480
Speaker 7: of these organizations talking too much instead of doing what

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02:17:15,560 --> 02:17:17,040
Speaker 7: they need to do. And I think you see that

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Speaker 7: in Pete Hassets.

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Speaker 1: And probably the rest of the appointees too, talking about

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02:17:21,959 --> 02:17:25,920
Speaker 1: the irony about DEI how many of them are qualified.

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02:17:26,000 --> 02:17:29,640
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody really questions that. I'm just saying that

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Speaker 1: that's just an observation. Family eight hundred four five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight to seventy six A con found a break

2437
02:17:35,440 --> 02:17:37,640
Speaker 1: had a tweet question for Tweter says, please ask your

2438
02:17:37,640 --> 02:17:41,080
Speaker 1: guest about Stephen Miller's announcement in Memphis, Tennessee, of the

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Speaker 1: launcher of a federal surge in the city attacking the

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Speaker 1: black community. They want to get your thoughts on that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that, and I've spoke to some people

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02:17:52,320 --> 02:17:54,160
Speaker 7: in Chicago. I think the and you know, the mayor

2443
02:17:54,160 --> 02:17:57,840
Speaker 7: of Chicago was under attack for some things. But I

2444
02:17:57,920 --> 02:18:01,720
Speaker 7: think that what's happened here is that there's two things

2445
02:18:01,800 --> 02:18:05,039
Speaker 7: can be true at one time. People want to dramatically

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02:18:05,120 --> 02:18:07,720
Speaker 7: reduce crime. There's not a person in this nation, in

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02:18:07,920 --> 02:18:10,280
Speaker 7: our neighborhoods or any other neighborhoods, it wants to be

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02:18:10,360 --> 02:18:15,200
Speaker 7: the victim of criminal activity. What people don't want is

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02:18:15,400 --> 02:18:19,200
Speaker 7: to call in friendly fire on their own position. In

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02:18:19,320 --> 02:18:23,160
Speaker 7: other words, history dictates that when this happens, it's not

2451
02:18:23,480 --> 02:18:26,280
Speaker 7: all for the good. So what people want is a

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02:18:26,520 --> 02:18:30,600
Speaker 7: voice as to how this is done, how extra resources

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02:18:30,600 --> 02:18:34,000
Speaker 7: are brought in collaboration rather than subjugation, as I said before,

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Speaker 7: And so that's what you have. In Tennessee and other places.

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Speaker 7: People are looking at crime, and we always talk about this,

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02:18:41,120 --> 02:18:44,520
Speaker 7: crime is being reduced, cities are doing good work, and

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02:18:44,879 --> 02:18:48,600
Speaker 7: Baltimore and other cities crime is being reduced. But say

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02:18:48,760 --> 02:18:51,320
Speaker 7: nick crime is being reduced means nothing to the person

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02:18:51,360 --> 02:18:54,280
Speaker 7: who was a victim of crime last night. So people

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02:18:54,480 --> 02:18:59,640
Speaker 7: want the benefit of extra resources, extra presence, but they

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02:18:59,680 --> 02:19:02,920
Speaker 7: don't want it done in a manner that disadministration is

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02:19:03,000 --> 02:19:06,199
Speaker 7: doing it. This administration is saying we know what's best

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02:19:06,240 --> 02:19:10,480
Speaker 7: for you with the paternalists that can condescending, and we're

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02:19:10,560 --> 02:19:13,240
Speaker 7: taking over. We're not working with you. Because remember the

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02:19:13,280 --> 02:19:16,440
Speaker 7: whole philipsity of policing, if you go back to Sir

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02:19:16,560 --> 02:19:19,040
Speaker 7: Robert Pills, and there's nine principles of policing. As the

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02:19:19,080 --> 02:19:21,279
Speaker 7: people are the police, and the police are the people

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02:19:21,640 --> 02:19:25,720
Speaker 7: that everyone it works for everyone to have more peaceful communities.

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02:19:26,000 --> 02:19:30,680
Speaker 7: And what you have here is an imposed situation where

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02:19:31,560 --> 02:19:34,000
Speaker 7: you are afraid of both the cops and the robbers.

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02:19:34,240 --> 02:19:36,400
Speaker 7: And when you're afraid of both the cops and the robbers,

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02:19:36,480 --> 02:19:38,280
Speaker 7: you get these kind of chaos that's happening and the

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02:19:38,360 --> 02:19:41,560
Speaker 7: cities across the nation when the President is saying coming

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02:19:41,600 --> 02:19:44,959
Speaker 7: in and saying, I'm going to get rid of those

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02:19:45,120 --> 02:19:47,440
Speaker 7: bad guys and bring in some other bad guys, and

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02:19:47,600 --> 02:19:49,680
Speaker 7: history dictates that in the history of the United States,

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Speaker 7: and black communities.

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Speaker 1: Are right well hold, I thought, right there, We're got

2479
02:19:52,440 --> 02:19:54,320
Speaker 1: to step aside for a few moments, so our station's

2480
02:19:54,320 --> 02:19:56,360
Speaker 1: gonna identify themselves down the line. I'll let you finish

2481
02:19:56,440 --> 02:19:57,720
Speaker 1: up thought. When you get back. We've got some more

2482
02:19:57,720 --> 02:19:59,200
Speaker 1: people want to talk to you. We got some tweet

2483
02:19:59,280 --> 02:20:01,879
Speaker 1: questions as well. Family, you two can join our conversation

2484
02:20:02,040 --> 02:20:04,440
Speaker 1: with doctor Tyrone Powers. Reach out to us at eight

2485
02:20:04,560 --> 02:20:07,480
Speaker 1: hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and

2486
02:20:07,520 --> 02:20:10,360
Speaker 1: we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family,

2487
02:20:10,400 --> 02:20:12,280
Speaker 1: thanks for starting your week with us. I guess this

2488
02:20:12,440 --> 02:20:16,080
Speaker 1: doctor Tyrone Powers. Doctor Tyren Powers is retired FBI agent.

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02:20:16,280 --> 02:20:18,360
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the spook who said at the doors,

2490
02:20:18,480 --> 02:20:20,440
Speaker 1: tell us some breaking down some of the information that

2491
02:20:20,640 --> 02:20:23,600
Speaker 1: we're facing us right now and how we should interpret

2492
02:20:23,600 --> 02:20:26,800
Speaker 1: what's going on. So doctor powerser got some tweet questions

2493
02:20:26,840 --> 02:20:28,200
Speaker 1: for you, some calls for you, So I'll let you

2494
02:20:28,240 --> 02:20:29,160
Speaker 1: finish your thought first.

2495
02:20:29,640 --> 02:20:31,440
Speaker 7: Now you can even go with that. Car, I think

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02:20:31,480 --> 02:20:33,880
Speaker 7: that was pretty much complete, all right.

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Speaker 1: Carl is in West Palm Beach, Florida, has a question

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Speaker 1: for You's online three Grand Rising. Carl, you're on with

2499
02:20:38,920 --> 02:20:40,439
Speaker 1: doctor Tyrone Powers.

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Speaker 4: Powers.

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Speaker 14: I wanted to look at it from a different perspective.

2502
02:20:45,840 --> 02:20:48,320
Speaker 14: I wanted to look at the movement of those of

2503
02:20:48,440 --> 02:20:51,160
Speaker 14: us who have been captured by the county and tail

2504
02:20:51,240 --> 02:20:53,320
Speaker 14: pro And I know once upon a time you was

2505
02:20:53,480 --> 02:20:55,840
Speaker 14: talking about at least sounded like you were talking about

2506
02:20:55,879 --> 02:20:59,320
Speaker 14: going on a tour and informing our brothers and sisters

2507
02:20:59,760 --> 02:21:03,439
Speaker 14: as relates to what we've been fighting against, that invisible

2508
02:21:04,600 --> 02:21:07,920
Speaker 14: force that has mellions and billions of dollars treatms of dollars.

2509
02:21:08,440 --> 02:21:10,880
Speaker 14: And I was wondering, how are you coming along in

2510
02:21:10,959 --> 02:21:13,240
Speaker 14: your efforts as it relates to trying to get that

2511
02:21:13,360 --> 02:21:16,120
Speaker 14: kind of information to our colleges and our churches and

2512
02:21:16,200 --> 02:21:19,920
Speaker 14: other places, and how is it being received, and what

2513
02:21:20,120 --> 02:21:22,120
Speaker 14: do we need to do in order to assist you

2514
02:21:22,240 --> 02:21:24,960
Speaker 14: to make sure that that information get into the ears

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02:21:25,040 --> 02:21:27,400
Speaker 14: of the brothers, Inde Penitentiary and everywhere else.

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02:21:28,840 --> 02:21:32,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's it's going well. As much as the time

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02:21:32,640 --> 02:21:34,520
Speaker 7: I have said, I was in a trial last week

2518
02:21:34,640 --> 02:21:36,880
Speaker 7: for use of force cases, so I'm still doing my

2519
02:21:36,959 --> 02:21:39,320
Speaker 7: expertise there. But when I was in Chicago, I actually

2520
02:21:39,360 --> 02:21:45,200
Speaker 7: did a presentation called by Way of Deception, which dealt

2521
02:21:45,200 --> 02:21:48,480
Speaker 7: with cointelpro had a great community response to the couple

2522
02:21:48,520 --> 02:21:50,800
Speaker 7: of television radio shows, and I also met with some

2523
02:21:50,879 --> 02:21:55,440
Speaker 7: people privately about how this impacts and I think that

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02:21:55,720 --> 02:21:58,760
Speaker 7: with the young people, certainly, because again we don't we

2525
02:21:58,920 --> 02:22:00,880
Speaker 7: talk about them a lot. We don't talk to them

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02:22:00,920 --> 02:22:02,560
Speaker 7: a lot. We preached to them a lot, we don't

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02:22:02,600 --> 02:22:05,040
Speaker 7: teach to them a lot. I think they're receiving it

2528
02:22:05,440 --> 02:22:07,320
Speaker 7: very well as we talked. If you look back to

2529
02:22:08,080 --> 02:22:10,480
Speaker 7: the movements that we had, the Black Power movement, the

2530
02:22:10,560 --> 02:22:13,440
Speaker 7: Civil rights movement, and so on and so forth, when

2531
02:22:13,440 --> 02:22:17,480
Speaker 7: we were actually trying to change our reality, and then

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02:22:18,240 --> 02:22:21,560
Speaker 7: we switched to drugs and alcohol and we tried to

2533
02:22:21,840 --> 02:22:24,760
Speaker 7: escape our reality. And those who were tired of us

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02:22:24,879 --> 02:22:27,720
Speaker 7: trying to fight to change our reality, the same people

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Speaker 7: who did the assassinations and the breakup of organizations, whether

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02:22:31,959 --> 02:22:35,400
Speaker 7: it was Fred Hampton or Malcolm X or Martin Luther

2537
02:22:35,560 --> 02:22:38,960
Speaker 7: King or any of those organizations or here if you needon,

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02:22:39,040 --> 02:22:42,360
Speaker 7: decided that they if we can get them more on

2539
02:22:42,480 --> 02:22:45,200
Speaker 7: drugs and alcohol, that they can escape, We can get

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02:22:45,240 --> 02:22:47,880
Speaker 7: them escape to their reality whether they had changed reality,

2541
02:22:48,200 --> 02:22:52,600
Speaker 7: and we can take them from no matter how hard

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02:22:52,680 --> 02:22:54,880
Speaker 7: you tried, you can't stop me now to I'm on

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02:22:55,120 --> 02:22:58,600
Speaker 7: cloud nine. I'm doing fine. I'm on cloud nine. If

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02:22:58,640 --> 02:23:02,400
Speaker 7: I can take them from from fighting to drugs to

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02:23:03,040 --> 02:23:06,440
Speaker 7: medicating to mitigating their existence. Then I get exactly what

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02:23:06,560 --> 02:23:08,280
Speaker 7: I get today. And that's why I think it's so

2547
02:23:08,440 --> 02:23:11,160
Speaker 7: important because I don't even have to say this in

2548
02:23:11,600 --> 02:23:14,200
Speaker 7: my own words. When I do these presentations, I bring

2549
02:23:14,360 --> 02:23:17,000
Speaker 7: up all the co intel pro documents to show that

2550
02:23:17,120 --> 02:23:21,920
Speaker 7: they wanted to replace fight with alcohol, drugs, sex, pharmosecurity

2551
02:23:22,440 --> 02:23:26,680
Speaker 7: and competition amongst each other. That they found a psychological

2552
02:23:26,879 --> 02:23:30,840
Speaker 7: button to push in our particular community. And that's why

2553
02:23:31,320 --> 02:23:36,119
Speaker 7: all that fighting to change our community turned into again

2554
02:23:36,400 --> 02:23:39,440
Speaker 7: something to medicate us and mitigate our community, which has

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Speaker 7: guide us here today. And then when you talk about

2556
02:23:41,320 --> 02:23:44,600
Speaker 7: because you can't undo what you don't understand again is

2557
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:50,160
Speaker 7: they taught us in the FBI Academy superficial understanding can

2558
02:23:50,480 --> 02:23:54,959
Speaker 7: only lead to superficial solutions, and the goal is solutions.

2559
02:23:55,120 --> 02:23:58,920
Speaker 7: And we talk about this as I do these presentations

2560
02:23:59,080 --> 02:24:02,160
Speaker 7: or talk in individuals in the prison. You know, there's

2561
02:24:02,240 --> 02:24:05,280
Speaker 7: three aspects of all of us. There's intellect, they're passion

2562
02:24:05,400 --> 02:24:08,600
Speaker 7: and their reason. We are very intelligent people. I don't

2563
02:24:08,680 --> 02:24:11,320
Speaker 7: I don't. I don't be little our intelligence with anyone

2564
02:24:11,360 --> 02:24:13,320
Speaker 7: in the world, and we're passionate about it. And when

2565
02:24:13,360 --> 02:24:17,120
Speaker 7: we are intelligent and passionate, then we really speak because

2566
02:24:17,120 --> 02:24:19,600
Speaker 7: we're so proud of our knowledge. But the last piece

2567
02:24:19,680 --> 02:24:22,240
Speaker 7: that we have to get in place is reason. Everything

2568
02:24:22,320 --> 02:24:24,760
Speaker 7: that we do have to be done with an objective.

2569
02:24:24,800 --> 02:24:26,960
Speaker 7: Where is this going to take us? So if me

2570
02:24:27,080 --> 02:24:29,960
Speaker 7: and Carl is in a conversation and we decide to

2571
02:24:30,040 --> 02:24:32,760
Speaker 7: debate each other and I criticize each other, at the

2572
02:24:32,879 --> 02:24:34,720
Speaker 7: end of the day, what are we trying to achieve?

2573
02:24:34,959 --> 02:24:38,520
Speaker 7: And what the organizations have said doing cointail pro and

2574
02:24:38,680 --> 02:24:41,640
Speaker 7: since co intel pro as it continues, is that black

2575
02:24:41,680 --> 02:24:44,040
Speaker 7: people are good at intellect. They're smart. They've got a

2576
02:24:44,080 --> 02:24:46,640
Speaker 7: lot of smart people, ain't no doubt about that, and

2577
02:24:46,680 --> 02:24:50,360
Speaker 7: they're passionate about that. But reason, they don't get to

2578
02:24:50,560 --> 02:24:53,800
Speaker 7: an objective, you know, the the the behavior scigniewit and

2579
02:24:53,879 --> 02:24:56,720
Speaker 7: I said this, I testified before Congress at Maxine Waters

2580
02:24:56,760 --> 02:25:01,840
Speaker 7: to this. They constantly said that black people are intellect emotional,

2581
02:25:02,440 --> 02:25:04,640
Speaker 7: but they don't use the scientific method. They don't have

2582
02:25:04,720 --> 02:25:07,440
Speaker 7: a hypothesis and get to a final conclusion. In other words,

2583
02:25:07,520 --> 02:25:12,120
Speaker 7: you had you had the incident with Trayvon, where you

2584
02:25:12,320 --> 02:25:15,560
Speaker 7: stand the ground laws after all the protests, the law

2585
02:25:15,600 --> 02:25:19,640
Speaker 7: is still in place. So the noise without the solution

2586
02:25:19,920 --> 02:25:22,760
Speaker 7: and without the reason. And that's what Cointelpro was designed

2587
02:25:22,760 --> 02:25:25,640
Speaker 7: to do. You can your listeners call can go back

2588
02:25:25,680 --> 02:25:28,480
Speaker 7: and listen to it itself, to pick our emotions, to

2589
02:25:28,640 --> 02:25:32,920
Speaker 7: give us drugs, to have us escape from our reality

2590
02:25:33,040 --> 02:25:36,280
Speaker 7: through drugs, alcohol and sex promisecurity rather than change our

2591
02:25:36,360 --> 02:25:39,560
Speaker 7: reality to the movements through what Thurgood Marshall did and

2592
02:25:39,680 --> 02:25:44,480
Speaker 7: what the Attorney Houston did, and what what Fanny new

2593
02:25:44,560 --> 02:25:47,680
Speaker 7: Hammer and Mary McLeod Bethune and book it to what

2594
02:25:47,879 --> 02:25:51,520
Speaker 7: besides what they were doing. They wanted to change reality.

2595
02:25:51,560 --> 02:25:53,280
Speaker 7: They didn't want to get drunk, they didn't want to

2596
02:25:53,360 --> 02:25:55,240
Speaker 7: mitigate it. They didn't want to get high. They didn't

2597
02:25:55,240 --> 02:25:57,960
Speaker 7: want to open up places where we could buy marijuana

2598
02:25:58,000 --> 02:26:00,879
Speaker 7: and smoke marijuana so we could ease our our stress.

2599
02:26:01,160 --> 02:26:03,720
Speaker 7: They wanted to change our existence for the seizure and

2600
02:26:03,840 --> 02:26:07,959
Speaker 7: so it's important cointelpro. Geronimo Pratt was so extremely right.

2601
02:26:08,040 --> 02:26:11,120
Speaker 7: He said, if it's not being taught, then generation at

2602
02:26:11,160 --> 02:26:13,959
Speaker 7: the generation, we will be battling against each other. Because

2603
02:26:14,000 --> 02:26:16,560
Speaker 7: one of the goals of cointail Pro was to have

2604
02:26:16,760 --> 02:26:19,560
Speaker 7: me and you arguing, even if we had different methods,

2605
02:26:19,600 --> 02:26:21,920
Speaker 7: to say that organization is not doing something. Were doing

2606
02:26:21,959 --> 02:26:24,480
Speaker 7: this and then just do what you do. Let them

2607
02:26:24,560 --> 02:26:27,640
Speaker 7: do what they do. The Student of the honorworldized Muhamad

2608
02:26:27,640 --> 02:26:31,039
Speaker 7: and Malcolm xCE. Never confuse the methods with the objectives.

2609
02:26:31,480 --> 02:26:34,640
Speaker 7: If the methods are different, that's okay. But if the

2610
02:26:34,760 --> 02:26:38,200
Speaker 7: objective is the same, I'll meet you at the finish line.

2611
02:26:38,400 --> 02:26:40,800
Speaker 7: And what Cointail pro was designed to do is to

2612
02:26:40,920 --> 02:26:44,680
Speaker 7: have us arguing about methods, have us calling each other names,

2613
02:26:45,040 --> 02:26:48,120
Speaker 7: having us saying my organization is better than your organization,

2614
02:26:48,520 --> 02:26:50,879
Speaker 7: my plan is better than your plan, and you are

2615
02:26:51,000 --> 02:26:53,640
Speaker 7: so busy fighting each other. And that was the intent

2616
02:26:53,800 --> 02:26:56,680
Speaker 7: of it, that we could not focus and be disciplined

2617
02:26:56,800 --> 02:26:58,760
Speaker 7: enough to do what we needed to do for our

2618
02:26:58,840 --> 02:27:01,160
Speaker 7: children and children's children. And when I walked through that

2619
02:27:01,320 --> 02:27:03,800
Speaker 7: with the young people, when I did that in Chicago,

2620
02:27:03,959 --> 02:27:06,320
Speaker 7: people had a lot of questions. One of the questions

2621
02:27:06,520 --> 02:27:09,400
Speaker 7: was very briefly called. One of the people in the

2622
02:27:09,480 --> 02:27:11,840
Speaker 7: audience said, Doc, He said, you're focusing on getting the

2623
02:27:11,920 --> 02:27:14,320
Speaker 7: message to the young people, but what about getting the

2624
02:27:14,360 --> 02:27:16,120
Speaker 7: message to the adults? And I said, what we are?

2625
02:27:16,240 --> 02:27:18,480
Speaker 7: I said, because a friend I know who works in

2626
02:27:18,560 --> 02:27:22,240
Speaker 7: juvenile justice in this particular state, said the people I'm

2627
02:27:22,280 --> 02:27:25,920
Speaker 7: addressing now in juvenile justice. Are the children of the

2628
02:27:26,040 --> 02:27:29,000
Speaker 7: juveniles I had in here ten years ago. So had

2629
02:27:29,080 --> 02:27:32,200
Speaker 7: I gotten them straight who are parents now? Then I

2630
02:27:32,200 --> 02:27:34,879
Speaker 7: wouldn't be dealing with their children and their children's children.

2631
02:27:34,959 --> 02:27:38,640
Speaker 7: It's a method to this particular thing. You know, the

2632
02:27:38,720 --> 02:27:41,640
Speaker 7: Devil's Brothers when they were talking about with Eisen Howard

2633
02:27:41,680 --> 02:27:44,280
Speaker 7: and then with Kennedy and it with Johnson implementing coin

2634
02:27:44,320 --> 02:27:47,160
Speaker 7: Telpro under Jago Hoover and allowed him to go wild

2635
02:27:47,240 --> 02:27:50,240
Speaker 7: with it, said that it is an ancient game, but

2636
02:27:50,720 --> 02:27:53,680
Speaker 7: we don't need to change it unless they become aware

2637
02:27:53,840 --> 02:27:57,360
Speaker 7: of the tectics, tactics and the techniques. That's the exact wording.

2638
02:27:57,680 --> 02:28:00,360
Speaker 7: It's an ancient game, this divide and conquered game. Just

2639
02:28:00,520 --> 02:28:03,520
Speaker 7: giving them drugs and alcohol like we did the Native

2640
02:28:03,560 --> 02:28:07,880
Speaker 7: Americans to escape their reality. Then giving them energy and

2641
02:28:08,000 --> 02:28:11,800
Speaker 7: focus and sobriety to fight and change their reality. But

2642
02:28:12,040 --> 02:28:14,040
Speaker 7: to give them drugs to escape their reality. It's an

2643
02:28:14,040 --> 02:28:17,320
Speaker 7: ancient game. Their exact language is, this is an ancient game,

2644
02:28:17,440 --> 02:28:21,560
Speaker 7: and all we have to do is adjust the tactics

2645
02:28:21,600 --> 02:28:23,680
Speaker 7: and the techniques. And that's what Cointaeil Pro was.

2646
02:28:24,000 --> 02:28:24,640
Speaker 9: That's what it is.

2647
02:28:24,959 --> 02:28:27,120
Speaker 7: And if we teach that I'm trying to tell you,

2648
02:28:27,480 --> 02:28:29,040
Speaker 7: and I mean this from the bottom of my heart.

2649
02:28:29,080 --> 02:28:31,600
Speaker 7: With the students I'm teaching now on Wednesday night this week,

2650
02:28:31,959 --> 02:28:35,200
Speaker 7: they get it, They walk through it. They are mesmerized

2651
02:28:35,480 --> 02:28:38,200
Speaker 7: by the information we give because they know how the

2652
02:28:38,320 --> 02:28:41,240
Speaker 7: tricks and traps and the trappers have worked in their life.

2653
02:28:41,520 --> 02:28:44,720
Speaker 7: They've encountered bad educators who gave them grades just to

2654
02:28:44,760 --> 02:28:47,000
Speaker 7: get by, and then they found out once they graduated

2655
02:28:47,080 --> 02:28:50,040
Speaker 7: that they weren't qualify for anything. So they realized that

2656
02:28:50,160 --> 02:28:54,680
Speaker 7: miseducation was a part of cointail pro, that misrepresentation, that

2657
02:28:54,840 --> 02:28:57,840
Speaker 7: having them fight each other like Tupac and Biggie was

2658
02:28:57,879 --> 02:29:01,040
Speaker 7: a part of the mis education and cointelpro Instead of

2659
02:29:01,120 --> 02:29:05,600
Speaker 7: having two talented people use their talent for the betterment

2660
02:29:05,680 --> 02:29:08,160
Speaker 7: of the race, put them against each other and use

2661
02:29:08,200 --> 02:29:10,000
Speaker 7: it for them to destroy each other, which is the

2662
02:29:10,040 --> 02:29:14,720
Speaker 7: gold of cointail pro. So I am advocating that at

2663
02:29:14,760 --> 02:29:20,039
Speaker 7: every HBCU because HBCU still do not have a cointail

2664
02:29:20,080 --> 02:29:23,000
Speaker 7: pro course. It's like a Jewish university not having a

2665
02:29:23,080 --> 02:29:25,480
Speaker 7: Holocaust course that is required. They don't give it down.

2666
02:29:25,480 --> 02:29:28,920
Speaker 7: Whether you're majoring in engineering, medicine, or law, you will

2667
02:29:29,040 --> 02:29:31,680
Speaker 7: take this course because you need to know how this happened.

2668
02:29:31,720 --> 02:29:35,959
Speaker 7: You need to know that during the Holocausts in Germany,

2669
02:29:36,160 --> 02:29:39,920
Speaker 7: the medication and the equipment and the gas chambers were

2670
02:29:39,959 --> 02:29:45,359
Speaker 7: supplied by American businesses, with American businessmen supplying the technique,

2671
02:29:45,520 --> 02:29:49,199
Speaker 7: tactic and the gas itself so that Hitler could carry

2672
02:29:49,200 --> 02:29:51,160
Speaker 7: out when he was carried out. So you are not

2673
02:29:51,320 --> 02:29:53,080
Speaker 7: food by people who come to you and say that

2674
02:29:53,240 --> 02:29:55,520
Speaker 7: was a horrible incident. But I turned around to say

2675
02:29:55,560 --> 02:29:57,800
Speaker 7: to them, but you gave. He couldn't have done it

2676
02:29:57,879 --> 02:30:00,920
Speaker 7: without you. So that's what cointail and teaching them that

2677
02:30:01,040 --> 02:30:04,520
Speaker 7: bad so we can evolve, advise our young people how

2678
02:30:04,600 --> 02:30:07,320
Speaker 7: to avoid the tricks in the traps, and even as adults,

2679
02:30:07,800 --> 02:30:10,160
Speaker 7: so we don't get caught up in silliness. I've always

2680
02:30:10,200 --> 02:30:12,960
Speaker 7: said I've been criticized and critiqued across this nation, and

2681
02:30:13,080 --> 02:30:15,960
Speaker 7: I've never responded to it because if I spent energy

2682
02:30:16,040 --> 02:30:20,400
Speaker 7: doing that, then I can't spend energy working to better

2683
02:30:20,480 --> 02:30:23,480
Speaker 7: our community. I've got to have thick skin so that

2684
02:30:23,600 --> 02:30:25,680
Speaker 7: if you say something about me. I think one of

2685
02:30:25,800 --> 02:30:29,520
Speaker 7: our leaders said, is not what you're called? Is what

2686
02:30:29,680 --> 02:30:32,240
Speaker 7: your answer to? If I don't answer to that, then

2687
02:30:32,280 --> 02:30:34,840
Speaker 7: I can focus on the mission. If I answer to that,

2688
02:30:35,000 --> 02:30:36,960
Speaker 7: and I got to stay stop and deal with you,

2689
02:30:37,280 --> 02:30:39,080
Speaker 7: and I don't have time to do that. This life

2690
02:30:39,160 --> 02:30:40,039
Speaker 7: is tonight.

2691
02:30:40,200 --> 02:30:41,400
Speaker 5: It's not infinite.

2692
02:30:42,560 --> 02:30:45,280
Speaker 1: Safe to say that cointel is still working today. So

2693
02:30:45,640 --> 02:30:47,800
Speaker 1: all those folks who are attacking black people, whether they

2694
02:30:47,840 --> 02:30:51,359
Speaker 1: be groups or individuals, can we mark them suspect.

2695
02:30:52,240 --> 02:30:56,320
Speaker 7: Well, listen, cointel pro is extremely effective. I think I

2696
02:30:56,440 --> 02:30:58,400
Speaker 7: mentioned this the last time I was on your program.

2697
02:30:58,520 --> 02:31:01,240
Speaker 7: A supervisor called me in because I was talking about

2698
02:31:01,560 --> 02:31:05,959
Speaker 7: them still infiltrating mosque and infiltrating churches, and I said

2699
02:31:06,440 --> 02:31:09,120
Speaker 7: coin Telpoe was supposed to end during the nineteen seventies.

2700
02:31:09,200 --> 02:31:14,119
Speaker 7: Congress said it had to end because it wasn't oppressive operation.

2701
02:31:14,680 --> 02:31:17,800
Speaker 7: And my supervisor at the FBI, I write this in

2702
02:31:17,879 --> 02:31:20,600
Speaker 7: my books, said to me. I testified to this before Congress.

2703
02:31:20,600 --> 02:31:23,600
Speaker 7: He said, Doc, you keep talking about morality and ethics

2704
02:31:23,680 --> 02:31:26,400
Speaker 7: and what's right and wrong. We do what's effective, not

2705
02:31:26,560 --> 02:31:29,200
Speaker 7: what's right and wrong. We'll let the preachers and the

2706
02:31:29,280 --> 02:31:33,800
Speaker 7: philosophers and the theorists argue moralogy. We're doing what's effective

2707
02:31:34,120 --> 02:31:37,200
Speaker 7: once and I'm not saying we should do that, should

2708
02:31:37,680 --> 02:31:40,440
Speaker 7: adopt the same mindset. But we at least have to

2709
02:31:40,560 --> 02:31:43,800
Speaker 7: understand that that is the ideal of the people who

2710
02:31:43,840 --> 02:31:48,000
Speaker 7: are using techniques and tactics against us. Now I don't

2711
02:31:48,120 --> 02:31:50,880
Speaker 7: really have time. The reality of the matter is that

2712
02:31:51,040 --> 02:31:54,720
Speaker 7: everyone should demonstrate dair loyalty. So when people used to

2713
02:31:54,800 --> 02:31:56,640
Speaker 7: question me, said, we're using the FBI. You came out

2714
02:31:56,680 --> 02:31:58,560
Speaker 7: of the FBI. Why should we trust you, I said,

2715
02:31:58,600 --> 02:32:01,720
Speaker 7: don't trust me. Thank god you said that, because I

2716
02:32:01,800 --> 02:32:03,960
Speaker 7: want to earn it. And if I don't earn it,

2717
02:32:04,040 --> 02:32:06,920
Speaker 7: then you shouldn't. If you disagree with something I say,

2718
02:32:07,000 --> 02:32:09,480
Speaker 7: like the call that you had on earlier, I'm upset

2719
02:32:09,520 --> 02:32:12,440
Speaker 7: with him. Whatsoever. If you disagree with what I'm saying,

2720
02:32:12,520 --> 02:32:15,440
Speaker 7: go do your own research, because maybe if you disagree

2721
02:32:15,440 --> 02:32:18,199
Speaker 7: with me, it will motivate you to try to prove

2722
02:32:18,280 --> 02:32:21,360
Speaker 7: me wrong. And in motivating to prove me wrong, you

2723
02:32:21,440 --> 02:32:23,680
Speaker 7: won't find something on your own that will allow you

2724
02:32:23,800 --> 02:32:26,160
Speaker 7: to even be more a part of the solution. I'm

2725
02:32:26,200 --> 02:32:29,360
Speaker 7: not asking you. I tell my students every week. Education

2726
02:32:29,520 --> 02:32:31,520
Speaker 7: is not supposed to tell you what to think, and

2727
02:32:31,560 --> 02:32:34,240
Speaker 7: it's supposed to tell you to think because I know

2728
02:32:34,440 --> 02:32:37,039
Speaker 7: for a fact, with the brilliants of black people, if

2729
02:32:37,080 --> 02:32:40,080
Speaker 7: we truly begin to think, we truly begin to decipher,

2730
02:32:40,160 --> 02:32:43,800
Speaker 7: we truly begin to research and understand these operations that

2731
02:32:43,879 --> 02:32:48,000
Speaker 7: be placed against us. Our progress will not only be great,

2732
02:32:48,080 --> 02:32:51,720
Speaker 7: but it will be immediate. Right now, people are pushing

2733
02:32:51,800 --> 02:32:55,600
Speaker 7: our buttons. They're using the best of us against us.

2734
02:32:56,000 --> 02:32:58,879
Speaker 7: They have us arguing with each other, they have us

2735
02:32:59,120 --> 02:33:01,640
Speaker 7: arguing whether we are an elephant or a jackass in

2736
02:33:01,720 --> 02:33:04,760
Speaker 7: this particular situation. And as my friend just told me

2737
02:33:04,879 --> 02:33:07,400
Speaker 7: from the intelligence a YO in Washington, DC. He said,

2738
02:33:07,480 --> 02:33:10,279
Speaker 7: last week, they were all having lunch and dinner together

2739
02:33:10,520 --> 02:33:12,880
Speaker 7: and joking about the situation, and they came out and

2740
02:33:12,920 --> 02:33:15,680
Speaker 7: gave press conferences and looked like they were enemies. If

2741
02:33:15,720 --> 02:33:19,920
Speaker 7: we understand the methods, the tactics, then we can understand

2742
02:33:20,040 --> 02:33:22,600
Speaker 7: even though they're using an ancient game, which is their word,

2743
02:33:23,120 --> 02:33:25,200
Speaker 7: just changing the tactics and the tactics, and we can

2744
02:33:25,320 --> 02:33:28,800
Speaker 7: change that particular situation. And it starts with educating our

2745
02:33:28,879 --> 02:33:31,000
Speaker 7: young people. I said this the last time I was

2746
02:33:31,080 --> 02:33:34,120
Speaker 7: on call. Whether it's formal education or in formal education,

2747
02:33:34,879 --> 02:33:41,800
Speaker 7: education is the greater, greatest crime reduction apparatus. Education is

2748
02:33:41,840 --> 02:33:45,520
Speaker 7: the greater apparatus to reduce drug and alcohol use in

2749
02:33:45,600 --> 02:33:50,640
Speaker 7: our community. Education is the greatest entity that can reduce

2750
02:33:50,800 --> 02:33:54,360
Speaker 7: the lack, that can help us stop being terrorized. And

2751
02:33:54,560 --> 02:33:56,280
Speaker 7: every one of our leaders have said it. We just

2752
02:33:56,440 --> 02:33:58,320
Speaker 7: ignore them because we got to come up with our

2753
02:33:58,360 --> 02:34:01,280
Speaker 7: own solution. Marcus Garby said book that you washed, and

2754
02:34:01,320 --> 02:34:03,680
Speaker 7: said it w e be divorced. Even when they oppose

2755
02:34:03,720 --> 02:34:06,760
Speaker 7: each other, they all agree with this. Doctor Cartagey Woodson,

2756
02:34:07,320 --> 02:34:09,680
Speaker 7: the author of The Miseducation of the Negro Noble, We

2757
02:34:09,800 --> 02:34:12,480
Speaker 7: drew our lead. Bob Marley said it, and damn near

2758
02:34:12,520 --> 02:34:15,600
Speaker 7: every song he sung he talked about they don't want

2759
02:34:15,680 --> 02:34:17,800
Speaker 7: us to unite. All they want us to do is

2760
02:34:17,840 --> 02:34:20,680
Speaker 7: to keep on fussing and fighting. He said this in

2761
02:34:20,720 --> 02:34:23,480
Speaker 7: every song that he sing. So the solution have always

2762
02:34:23,560 --> 02:34:25,920
Speaker 7: been education, but we've been so caught up and we've

2763
02:34:25,920 --> 02:34:28,279
Speaker 7: allowed others to push our buttons, so that when somebody

2764
02:34:28,400 --> 02:34:31,200
Speaker 7: called doctor powers the name, I'm so busy trying to

2765
02:34:31,320 --> 02:34:33,960
Speaker 7: counter their argument that I can't do what I was

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Speaker 7: born to do and what God the mission that God

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02:34:36,520 --> 02:34:38,640
Speaker 7: gave me. So I don't even engage in that anymore

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02:34:38,680 --> 02:34:41,120
Speaker 7: because I understand what Colin Telpro was intended to do,

2769
02:34:41,520 --> 02:34:44,200
Speaker 7: and I refuse to allow it to help me to

2770
02:34:44,320 --> 02:34:46,800
Speaker 7: take any of my energy when I'm trying to help

2771
02:34:46,879 --> 02:34:49,880
Speaker 7: young people change their existence and their reality and not

2772
02:34:50,120 --> 02:34:53,000
Speaker 7: escape from their existence in reality with drugs, alcohol, sex,

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02:34:53,080 --> 02:34:54,520
Speaker 7: prom of security and crime.

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Speaker 1: And thank you for sharing that a fifteen at the

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02:34:57,560 --> 02:35:00,640
Speaker 1: top of our family to stay away from because they

2776
02:35:00,800 --> 02:35:02,200
Speaker 1: try to get you into arguing. This is one of

2777
02:35:02,200 --> 02:35:05,039
Speaker 1: the things that Dr Welson tell us about counter racist

2778
02:35:05,120 --> 02:35:07,960
Speaker 1: policies that she shared with us. A black person trying

2779
02:35:08,000 --> 02:35:10,200
Speaker 1: to argue, either just shake your head and just move on,

2780
02:35:10,400 --> 02:35:12,920
Speaker 1: just keep it moving. Nearly Fuller said, just keep it

2781
02:35:13,040 --> 02:35:16,120
Speaker 1: moving because those people who we see especially they're attacking

2782
02:35:16,200 --> 02:35:18,840
Speaker 1: black people, especially today, they're suspect. I'm not going to

2783
02:35:18,879 --> 02:35:22,280
Speaker 1: say they're agents, but they're suspect either that the low information.

2784
02:35:23,160 --> 02:35:24,680
Speaker 1: We got a bunch of folks that want to talk

2785
02:35:24,680 --> 02:35:26,120
Speaker 1: to you. And also, let me just say this, by

2786
02:35:26,160 --> 02:35:27,960
Speaker 1: the way, I forgot to mention his book is titled

2787
02:35:28,240 --> 02:35:30,760
Speaker 1: Ice to My Soul, The Rise or Decline of a

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02:35:30,879 --> 02:35:34,040
Speaker 1: Black FBI Agent. That's doctor Tyrone Poalace book Eyes to

2789
02:35:34,120 --> 02:35:35,640
Speaker 1: My Soul. Because he's not here to sell a book,

2790
02:35:35,640 --> 02:35:37,480
Speaker 1: but I want to mention you want to know more

2791
02:35:37,480 --> 02:35:39,640
Speaker 1: about doctor powers, pick up a copy of his book,

2792
02:35:39,680 --> 02:35:41,600
Speaker 1: Eyes to My Soul, The Rise or Decline of a

2793
02:35:41,640 --> 02:35:43,960
Speaker 1: Black FBI Agent. Anyway, we've got to step aside for

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02:35:44,000 --> 02:35:45,440
Speaker 1: a few moments. We'll come back. As I mentioned, you

2795
02:35:45,480 --> 02:35:46,600
Speaker 1: got a bunch of folks want to talk to you.

2796
02:35:46,680 --> 02:35:48,160
Speaker 1: I also got a lot of tweet questions for you,

2797
02:35:48,240 --> 02:35:50,600
Speaker 1: Doctor Powers. You're out there. You want to drain this discussion,

2798
02:35:50,640 --> 02:35:52,760
Speaker 1: reach out to us at eight hundred four five zero

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02:35:53,360 --> 02:35:55,600
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls.

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02:35:55,879 --> 02:35:58,520
Speaker 1: Next and Grand Rising Family Facts, just starting your week

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02:35:58,560 --> 02:36:00,760
Speaker 1: with us and our guest, the doctor Tyrann Powers, doctor

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02:36:00,800 --> 02:36:04,760
Speaker 1: Time Tyrone Powers is a retired FBI agent now teaching college.

2803
02:36:04,800 --> 02:36:06,240
Speaker 1: I've taken a lot of stuff that you hear on

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02:36:06,280 --> 02:36:08,080
Speaker 1: this morning and stuff of the news. He can analyze

2805
02:36:08,120 --> 02:36:10,160
Speaker 1: it for you. We want to do that. They'll reach

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02:36:10,200 --> 02:36:12,000
Speaker 1: out to us at eight hundred and four five zero

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02:36:12,200 --> 02:36:14,760
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six. I mentioned before the breakout, a

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02:36:14,760 --> 02:36:16,760
Speaker 1: bunch of folks want got questions for doctor Powers. So

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02:36:16,879 --> 02:36:19,840
Speaker 1: let's go with Craig Online. Two. He's calling from DC Craig.

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02:36:19,920 --> 02:36:21,920
Speaker 1: Your thoughts, your question for doctor Powers.

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02:36:23,320 --> 02:36:28,160
Speaker 23: Yeah, Grand Rising, I wanted to follow up on something

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02:36:28,240 --> 02:36:33,520
Speaker 23: that the doctor said earlier about education being number one

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02:36:35,120 --> 02:36:38,720
Speaker 23: in terms of reducing crime. I would put jobs up

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02:36:38,760 --> 02:36:41,920
Speaker 23: there as well, And I wanted to know if in

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02:36:42,120 --> 02:36:46,080
Speaker 23: those communications from the States and the cities when they're

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02:36:46,160 --> 02:36:51,800
Speaker 23: trying to I think he said create relationships. This job

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02:36:51,920 --> 02:36:55,280
Speaker 23: growth a part of their discussion as a measure to

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02:36:55,440 --> 02:37:01,119
Speaker 23: prevent crime, and this is prevented to technique as opposed

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02:37:01,160 --> 02:37:05,760
Speaker 23: to just being totally a reactionary say that. Then my

2820
02:37:05,879 --> 02:37:09,880
Speaker 23: last point is Pete head set for everybody who was

2821
02:37:09,920 --> 02:37:13,520
Speaker 23: paying attention is a d U I higher and everybody

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02:37:13,640 --> 02:37:15,600
Speaker 23: knows that. I'll take my answer.

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Speaker 1: I thank you, all right, that's you said, d u I. Okay, gotcha,

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02:37:20,640 --> 02:37:22,240
Speaker 1: thanks Greg, Doctor Powers.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that's a sainisicant point. But let me let

2826
02:37:25,120 --> 02:37:27,680
Speaker 7: me just say I'm not separating, and I think we

2827
02:37:27,840 --> 02:37:32,480
Speaker 7: can't separate economics from education. Remember the person who said,

2828
02:37:32,520 --> 02:37:35,320
Speaker 7: at the bottom of everything, there must be economic independence

2829
02:37:35,480 --> 02:37:38,280
Speaker 7: for our people was Booker T. Washington. But he was

2830
02:37:38,360 --> 02:37:41,600
Speaker 7: president of Tuskegee University, so he wasn't just talking about

2831
02:37:42,080 --> 02:37:45,760
Speaker 7: education in the sense of giving everybody a formal education.

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02:37:45,879 --> 02:37:48,920
Speaker 7: He was talking about trades. Because you remember at Tuskegee

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02:37:49,000 --> 02:37:50,680
Speaker 7: if you were a student there, even if you were

2834
02:37:50,800 --> 02:37:53,720
Speaker 7: majoring in law, you had to grow your own food.

2835
02:37:53,920 --> 02:37:56,400
Speaker 7: He made them build their own downs because he said,

2836
02:37:56,480 --> 02:37:59,760
Speaker 7: in America, even if the government, even if you can't

2837
02:37:59,800 --> 02:38:01,400
Speaker 7: find a job, you have to be able to go

2838
02:38:01,480 --> 02:38:04,360
Speaker 7: out back and plant cucommas so you can feed your family.

2839
02:38:04,440 --> 02:38:06,240
Speaker 7: So you don't have to pray on your brother. So

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02:38:06,360 --> 02:38:09,840
Speaker 7: I don't separate too. But the job issue is extremely important.

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02:38:10,240 --> 02:38:13,680
Speaker 7: I just want to emphasize this. We have been working

2842
02:38:13,800 --> 02:38:17,960
Speaker 7: with organizations that are helping young people to get positions,

2843
02:38:18,000 --> 02:38:20,920
Speaker 7: but here's the education piece. We've got young people that

2844
02:38:21,000 --> 02:38:24,280
Speaker 7: we've gotten three or four positions for and they let

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02:38:24,400 --> 02:38:26,800
Speaker 7: go every time. One young man said he went to work.

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02:38:26,879 --> 02:38:29,000
Speaker 7: Thank you for the position. The money was good, he said,

2847
02:38:29,000 --> 02:38:31,320
Speaker 7: but there's a guy there who keep telling me what

2848
02:38:31,480 --> 02:38:33,120
Speaker 7: to do all the time, and I got angry, so

2849
02:38:33,200 --> 02:38:35,600
Speaker 7: I quit. What we didn't do is prepare him for

2850
02:38:35,720 --> 02:38:37,720
Speaker 7: a job. The person who was telling him what to

2851
02:38:37,760 --> 02:38:40,600
Speaker 7: do was a supervisor, but he's never been employed, so

2852
02:38:40,680 --> 02:38:42,960
Speaker 7: he didn't have the education of how they deal with

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02:38:43,080 --> 02:38:47,080
Speaker 7: an employment situation, whether it was a trade, whether he

2854
02:38:47,200 --> 02:38:50,240
Speaker 7: was an electrician, or whether it's in some other office.

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02:38:50,280 --> 02:38:54,600
Speaker 7: So there's an education piece even to job creation and

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02:38:54,800 --> 02:38:57,640
Speaker 7: job continuation, because even if we get them a job

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02:38:58,040 --> 02:39:00,480
Speaker 7: and they don't have the education, and I don't mean

2858
02:39:00,600 --> 02:39:04,680
Speaker 7: formal education, but the ability to understand the hierarchy of

2859
02:39:04,760 --> 02:39:06,800
Speaker 7: how it worked. If you hired him and you as

2860
02:39:06,840 --> 02:39:09,520
Speaker 7: a supervisor and he's getting mad at you for telling

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02:39:09,600 --> 02:39:11,880
Speaker 7: him what to do because nobody explained to him that

2862
02:39:12,000 --> 02:39:16,039
Speaker 7: in a job situation, they're supervisors, their plans, they are

2863
02:39:16,240 --> 02:39:18,680
Speaker 7: objectives for the day, then he won't get that. So

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02:39:18,760 --> 02:39:20,280
Speaker 7: what we had to do was back up with the

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02:39:20,360 --> 02:39:22,560
Speaker 7: young people we were getting jobs and before we send

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Speaker 7: them out onto these jobs, because economic development is extremely important.

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02:39:27,000 --> 02:39:29,040
Speaker 7: It is to get them prepared not only to get

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Speaker 7: the position so they can have work, but to keep

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Speaker 7: the position so they're they're on time, so they're doing

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Speaker 7: what they're supposed to do, so they understand the hierarchy,

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Speaker 7: and so that they increase their skill set as they're

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Speaker 7: going along, so they can go from jobs to careers.

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Speaker 7: Because we don't just don't want them to have economic development.

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Speaker 7: It's not just about having a job. It's about having

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Speaker 7: a career that you can take care of family, take

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Speaker 7: care of yourself for the next twenty thirty forty years

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02:39:51,520 --> 02:39:54,440
Speaker 7: and maybe have a retirement plan. So it's both. So

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02:39:55,560 --> 02:39:58,760
Speaker 7: what he's saying is extremely important. The economic part, as

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02:39:58,800 --> 02:40:01,560
Speaker 7: Booker T. Washington said, is at the foundation of everything else.

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02:40:02,360 --> 02:40:05,160
Speaker 7: But you understand economics and the key what you make

2881
02:40:05,400 --> 02:40:07,400
Speaker 7: or the invest what you make, or to say, what

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Speaker 7: you make. There's an element. There's an education aspect to

2883
02:40:11,240 --> 02:40:13,560
Speaker 7: that too, and we are learning that tremendously as we

2884
02:40:13,640 --> 02:40:16,760
Speaker 7: get these young people jobs, but they're not necessarily keeping

2885
02:40:16,840 --> 02:40:19,320
Speaker 7: them because we didn't do the other part of preparing

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02:40:19,400 --> 02:40:21,920
Speaker 7: them how to go to work, how to dress for work,

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02:40:22,280 --> 02:40:24,680
Speaker 7: how to what to do a work, and how the

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Speaker 7: work hierarchy work. Whether they're working for a black company

2889
02:40:27,879 --> 02:40:29,760
Speaker 7: or white company, there are certain moves they have to

2890
02:40:29,800 --> 02:40:33,959
Speaker 7: apply and discipline which requires which requires some understanding, which

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Speaker 7: is part of education.

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Speaker 1: That's an excellent point. I've seen so many young people

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02:40:38,160 --> 02:40:40,320
Speaker 1: fall in that trap too, Doc, when they get on

2894
02:40:40,400 --> 02:40:42,880
Speaker 1: the job and then on the politics of work, and

2895
02:40:43,000 --> 02:40:45,360
Speaker 1: they get caught up with who said he said and

2896
02:40:45,400 --> 02:40:50,000
Speaker 1: all that kind of saying them yeah, yeah, true, yep, grateful,

2897
02:40:50,160 --> 02:40:52,320
Speaker 1: great point. Twenty five After the top down, I've got

2898
02:40:52,400 --> 02:40:54,160
Speaker 1: some more folks want to talk to you. Brother Mohammad's

2899
02:40:54,160 --> 02:40:57,320
Speaker 1: reaching out to us. He's in Upper Marlboro, Maryland, Islama

2900
02:40:57,360 --> 02:41:01,879
Speaker 1: Lake Grand rising Brother Muhammad. A question, Doctor Tyrone Powers.

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Speaker 17: Webilelacolm Stalam and Grant rising to you all doctor power.

2902
02:41:05,760 --> 02:41:06,840
Speaker 22: Is a pleasure to hear you again.

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Speaker 17: You may recall you and I on a panel at

2904
02:41:09,480 --> 02:41:12,959
Speaker 17: whur and Terrorism sometime back in yourself well five years ago,

2905
02:41:13,560 --> 02:41:17,199
Speaker 17: and so I listened to you and I absolutely agree

2906
02:41:17,200 --> 02:41:20,160
Speaker 17: one hundred percent on your analysis co Intel pro and

2907
02:41:20,200 --> 02:41:23,320
Speaker 17: then continuity of it. But I want to throw something out.

2908
02:41:23,520 --> 02:41:25,800
Speaker 17: You tell me what you think. Yes, I want you

2909
02:41:25,879 --> 02:41:28,960
Speaker 17: to imagine separate in the park from someplace like DC

2910
02:41:29,440 --> 02:41:32,000
Speaker 17: where the president can federalize the police. You can't do

2911
02:41:32,120 --> 02:41:35,520
Speaker 17: that in Chicago. That's a municipality, have their local police, etc.

2912
02:41:36,280 --> 02:41:39,680
Speaker 17: They just had to raid in Chicago at that apartment building. Yes,

2913
02:41:39,959 --> 02:41:42,680
Speaker 17: what happens in a situation like that where the local

2914
02:41:42,760 --> 02:41:45,600
Speaker 17: police people call the local police and they come and

2915
02:41:45,680 --> 02:41:48,440
Speaker 17: they grab they see these deputies doing things that are

2916
02:41:48,480 --> 02:41:54,480
Speaker 17: clearly violation of Chicago law. Has anybody discussed that as

2917
02:41:54,560 --> 02:41:57,640
Speaker 17: to whether or not that is a continuation Again, when

2918
02:41:57,680 --> 02:42:00,680
Speaker 17: you talk about Cointel Pro, it turned me everything in

2919
02:42:00,760 --> 02:42:04,000
Speaker 17: law enforcement, from the local to the national and even

2920
02:42:04,040 --> 02:42:08,800
Speaker 17: to the international. So, now, is there any strategy for

2921
02:42:08,959 --> 02:42:11,560
Speaker 17: putting when you have a black mayor of the city,

2922
02:42:11,959 --> 02:42:16,120
Speaker 17: the local forces against the national forces for the purposes

2923
02:42:16,280 --> 02:42:19,280
Speaker 17: of protecting the citizens, because if you don't, you potentially

2924
02:42:19,400 --> 02:42:22,240
Speaker 17: create anarchy on the streets. What do you think about that?

2925
02:42:23,040 --> 02:42:26,199
Speaker 7: And I have a following, Yeah, and now we brief

2926
02:42:26,280 --> 02:42:27,840
Speaker 7: with this because you have a follow up and another

2927
02:42:27,920 --> 02:42:33,199
Speaker 7: the callers working. There is a antagonistic relationship between state

2928
02:42:33,240 --> 02:42:36,160
Speaker 7: and local police departments, and most mayors, because they don't

2929
02:42:36,200 --> 02:42:39,800
Speaker 7: want chaos, they understand that's provacation from the federal government.

2930
02:42:40,080 --> 02:42:42,680
Speaker 7: Because they don't want chaos, usually tell their people to

2931
02:42:42,760 --> 02:42:45,800
Speaker 7: stand down. Now, on the other hand, think about this.

2932
02:42:46,400 --> 02:42:49,640
Speaker 7: There's a requirement by law of a duty to intervene.

2933
02:42:49,840 --> 02:42:52,480
Speaker 7: So if you see anyone, whether they're in whether you're

2934
02:42:52,480 --> 02:42:57,040
Speaker 7: in blue jeans or blue uniform, abusing people, technically you

2935
02:42:57,240 --> 02:43:02,760
Speaker 7: are violating the laws, violating your administrative policy not to intervene.

2936
02:43:02,800 --> 02:43:06,520
Speaker 7: So if the federal authorities are abusing some local individual, technically,

2937
02:43:06,640 --> 02:43:10,480
Speaker 7: by law you have to intervene. But unfortunately, many mayors

2938
02:43:10,560 --> 02:43:13,240
Speaker 7: now because they don't want the chaos and the provocation

2939
02:43:13,920 --> 02:43:16,720
Speaker 7: of telling their people just staying down, back out, or

2940
02:43:16,920 --> 02:43:20,520
Speaker 7: don't help but support and leave, which still leaves as

2941
02:43:20,560 --> 02:43:24,760
Speaker 7: you as indicated if you have indicated the public vulnerable.

2942
02:43:26,760 --> 02:43:28,880
Speaker 17: Now, Part two of that is I saw a video

2943
02:43:29,000 --> 02:43:31,119
Speaker 17: the other day and I was helping out a young

2944
02:43:31,160 --> 02:43:38,280
Speaker 17: attorney who does immigration, and here's what happened. I guess

2945
02:43:38,400 --> 02:43:41,600
Speaker 17: these guys were non uniform pretending to be ice or whatever.

2946
02:43:41,760 --> 02:43:44,080
Speaker 17: I think they're just deputized, et cetera. I don't think

2947
02:43:44,080 --> 02:43:46,200
Speaker 17: they really have to train it. But they show up

2948
02:43:46,240 --> 02:43:49,359
Speaker 17: at an immigration court where a person was seeking asylum.

2949
02:43:50,280 --> 02:43:53,520
Speaker 17: Asylum means that he has a right to be here,

2950
02:43:53,680 --> 02:43:56,160
Speaker 17: and he potentially has a court order to be in

2951
02:43:56,280 --> 02:44:02,400
Speaker 17: court for a particular hearing. When they show up, the

2952
02:44:02,480 --> 02:44:05,120
Speaker 17: person refuses to answer any questions, and there's a bystander

2953
02:44:05,160 --> 02:44:07,200
Speaker 17: who's telling them, don't answer any questions, don't give them

2954
02:44:07,240 --> 02:44:09,680
Speaker 17: your name, etc. And he's asking these people over and over,

2955
02:44:09,760 --> 02:44:11,400
Speaker 17: do you have a warrant? Do you have a want?

2956
02:44:11,440 --> 02:44:15,440
Speaker 17: Do you have a warrant? Whenever you interphere with a

2957
02:44:15,560 --> 02:44:18,440
Speaker 17: judicial process that is a court order, having been in

2958
02:44:18,520 --> 02:44:21,800
Speaker 17: a thousand court, whenever you interfere with the juicial process,

2959
02:44:21,879 --> 02:44:26,280
Speaker 17: that's obstructing of justice, especially even if it's an asylum hearing.

2960
02:44:27,440 --> 02:44:32,680
Speaker 17: Does the stand down that we talked about, does that

2961
02:44:35,360 --> 02:44:38,880
Speaker 17: does that accentuate the kind of chaos that we see

2962
02:44:39,040 --> 02:44:42,039
Speaker 17: with people snatching people out of asylum hearing? Or would

2963
02:44:42,240 --> 02:44:44,800
Speaker 17: the enforcement of that particular law, that is calling the

2964
02:44:44,840 --> 02:44:48,280
Speaker 17: local police telling people not to talk, calling the local

2965
02:44:48,320 --> 02:44:50,240
Speaker 17: police and saying this person is violating in a court

2966
02:44:50,400 --> 02:44:54,920
Speaker 17: order and placing the police against these deputies, would that

2967
02:44:55,120 --> 02:44:57,560
Speaker 17: be more beneficial in your mind? Or would it be

2968
02:44:57,760 --> 02:45:02,080
Speaker 17: more detrimental? And again, can they were already at the

2969
02:45:02,120 --> 02:45:04,480
Speaker 17: point of almost anarchy or chaos?

2970
02:45:05,280 --> 02:45:08,879
Speaker 7: What could be worth well two things and real quick

2971
02:45:09,640 --> 02:45:13,000
Speaker 7: because I know called got other calls. But here's why

2972
02:45:13,120 --> 02:45:17,320
Speaker 7: you are having ice. Individuals wear mask and hide their

2973
02:45:17,400 --> 02:45:21,200
Speaker 7: identity because they are clear that local states attorneys, if

2974
02:45:21,240 --> 02:45:24,560
Speaker 7: they wanted to, could identify those officers were violating people

2975
02:45:24,640 --> 02:45:28,640
Speaker 7: constitutional right and could charge them criminally or could take

2976
02:45:28,680 --> 02:45:32,520
Speaker 7: other actions against them. This explains why you are having

2977
02:45:32,640 --> 02:45:35,000
Speaker 7: ice officers because they know they're in violation of the law.

2978
02:45:35,080 --> 02:45:37,800
Speaker 7: They know they don't have probable cause. The constitution requires

2979
02:45:37,840 --> 02:45:40,920
Speaker 7: that you can't overstep the bounds of the constitution. They

2980
02:45:41,040 --> 02:45:43,400
Speaker 7: know that if they don't have a want of probable cause.

2981
02:45:43,400 --> 02:45:45,879
Speaker 7: According to the Fourth Amendment of the US Constitution, there's

2982
02:45:45,879 --> 02:45:48,440
Speaker 7: certain steps they can't take. So the only way they

2983
02:45:48,520 --> 02:45:52,480
Speaker 7: can prevent themselves from running into maybe a state's attorney

2984
02:45:52,600 --> 02:45:56,240
Speaker 7: with some courage and some wisdom and the willingness to

2985
02:45:56,360 --> 02:45:59,160
Speaker 7: do it and some boldness is to hide their identity.

2986
02:45:59,360 --> 02:46:01,760
Speaker 7: So all you can say as Ice was here, but

2987
02:46:01,920 --> 02:46:04,680
Speaker 7: you can't say officers so and so, because remember when

2988
02:46:04,720 --> 02:46:06,840
Speaker 7: we do civil lawsuits, and I know you're already familiar

2989
02:46:06,879 --> 02:46:10,199
Speaker 7: with this, or when we do legal action, you name

2990
02:46:10,360 --> 02:46:14,160
Speaker 7: the officer and the agency. What they've done is put

2991
02:46:14,240 --> 02:46:16,480
Speaker 7: people in a position of not being able to name

2992
02:46:16,600 --> 02:46:20,040
Speaker 7: the officer. The officers have masks on they don't have

2993
02:46:20,160 --> 02:46:25,320
Speaker 7: their names on their uniforms, and they are anticipating it.

2994
02:46:25,440 --> 02:46:28,640
Speaker 7: At some point, maybe a strong state's attorney, maybe and

2995
02:46:28,680 --> 02:46:31,440
Speaker 7: I've been based, maybe somebody will say, wait a minute,

2996
02:46:31,840 --> 02:46:34,640
Speaker 7: this has gone too far. I'm actually charging them with

2997
02:46:34,840 --> 02:46:37,320
Speaker 7: a local crime and they have to appear in court,

2998
02:46:37,680 --> 02:46:39,680
Speaker 7: and they can't be pardoned by a president because he

2999
02:46:39,720 --> 02:46:42,920
Speaker 7: can only pardon federal crimes, so they'll avoid that particular

3000
02:46:43,000 --> 02:46:45,199
Speaker 7: situation is why you see the mask in the lask

3001
02:46:45,480 --> 02:46:46,560
Speaker 7: lack of identification.

3002
02:46:47,879 --> 02:46:49,879
Speaker 17: You know, I appreciate it, and I love your book.

3003
02:46:49,920 --> 02:46:51,160
Speaker 22: By the way, Casey wanted to know Ball.

3004
02:46:51,200 --> 02:46:52,080
Speaker 11: We'll over do out there.

3005
02:46:52,080 --> 02:46:54,080
Speaker 17: It's a very good book, right or one of the best.

3006
02:46:54,520 --> 02:46:55,200
Speaker 7: Thank you, Thank you.

3007
02:46:55,240 --> 02:46:55,760
Speaker 10: I appreciate it.

3008
02:46:55,840 --> 02:46:56,000
Speaker 9: Thank you.

3009
02:46:56,040 --> 02:46:57,160
Speaker 17: Call for your time as well.

3010
02:46:57,280 --> 02:46:59,520
Speaker 1: Thank you all right, thank you. Brother Mohammed twenty nine

3011
02:46:59,560 --> 02:47:02,560
Speaker 1: away from the TMS in DC's Online three has a

3012
02:47:02,640 --> 02:47:04,960
Speaker 1: question for your grand rising brother TM. You're on with

3013
02:47:05,240 --> 02:47:06,600
Speaker 1: doctor Tyrone Powers.

3014
02:47:08,120 --> 02:47:09,840
Speaker 15: Yes, the morning as usual.

3015
02:47:10,000 --> 02:47:10,520
Speaker 12: He's cooking.

3016
02:47:10,560 --> 02:47:11,120
Speaker 22: He's the cooking.

3017
02:47:11,240 --> 02:47:13,360
Speaker 6: Last time I called and he's cooking, and I'm calling

3018
02:47:13,520 --> 02:47:15,920
Speaker 6: right now. Let me get to it real quick. What

3019
02:47:16,520 --> 02:47:20,879
Speaker 6: is the most overqualified defense secretary in the United States history?

3020
02:47:21,320 --> 02:47:24,480
Speaker 6: Last I check, I think it was a speech star general. Okay,

3021
02:47:24,879 --> 02:47:28,640
Speaker 6: and the current what defense secretary can't even carry his

3022
02:47:28,959 --> 02:47:32,760
Speaker 6: military lunch box? Now, let me just say this, Let

3023
02:47:32,840 --> 02:47:33,760
Speaker 6: me get to give you the question.

3024
02:47:34,879 --> 02:47:36,039
Speaker 20: Do we really.

3025
02:47:37,760 --> 02:47:38,599
Speaker 6: The terms.

3026
02:47:39,800 --> 02:47:42,760
Speaker 12: Thousand different definitions of what what is the terms?

3027
02:47:43,040 --> 02:47:46,640
Speaker 6: Do we need to take the guns, the nis, the

3028
02:47:46,840 --> 02:47:51,080
Speaker 6: bombs and other things that we uh uh harm in

3029
02:47:51,120 --> 02:47:55,640
Speaker 6: each outherle with off the streets immediately, or do we

3030
02:47:56,640 --> 02:48:02,400
Speaker 6: continue with the terms angle the doctor in criminology told

3031
02:48:02,440 --> 02:48:05,320
Speaker 6: me years ago that what.

3032
02:48:05,680 --> 02:48:10,480
Speaker 12: Was policing it was deterrence the appearance of the of

3033
02:48:10,600 --> 02:48:16,520
Speaker 12: the law enforcement there. That is what deters crime. Tell

3034
02:48:16,560 --> 02:48:19,400
Speaker 12: me what you think about that, because strange things that

3035
02:48:19,480 --> 02:48:22,440
Speaker 12: happened in America. Good names are going off in people's

3036
02:48:22,480 --> 02:48:25,320
Speaker 12: home and the the name was about thirty years old,

3037
02:48:25,920 --> 02:48:29,279
Speaker 12: so they're key thing those type of weapons in their homes.

3038
02:48:29,200 --> 02:48:32,120
Speaker 22: And of course what's going on all over America.

3039
02:48:32,480 --> 02:48:37,080
Speaker 12: Talk to me, doctor, appreciate everything. Love your commentary, Appreciate it.

3040
02:48:37,200 --> 02:48:37,440
Speaker 22: Thank you.

3041
02:48:38,360 --> 02:48:40,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think I missed part of your question because

3042
02:48:40,120 --> 02:48:43,520
Speaker 7: you were breaking up. But the Cancer City experiment and

3043
02:48:43,600 --> 02:48:47,600
Speaker 7: your criminology professor probably told you this talked about the

3044
02:48:47,800 --> 02:48:50,400
Speaker 7: impact of police presidence, or the more presence of more

3045
02:48:50,440 --> 02:48:54,240
Speaker 7: police in the area, and while it did reduce crime some,

3046
02:48:54,640 --> 02:48:58,560
Speaker 7: it didn't reduce it significantly. So I'm not suggesting that

3047
02:48:58,800 --> 02:49:02,560
Speaker 7: a more presence in a particular area as a deterrent.

3048
02:49:02,600 --> 02:49:04,840
Speaker 7: Because we all know that we're driving down the street,

3049
02:49:05,040 --> 02:49:07,039
Speaker 7: we see a police officer in our resnew mirror, even

3050
02:49:07,080 --> 02:49:08,840
Speaker 7: if we're going to speed limit. We look down at

3051
02:49:08,920 --> 02:49:11,440
Speaker 7: ours pre dominant, which is why the continuum of use

3052
02:49:11,480 --> 02:49:14,000
Speaker 7: of forces start with the mere presence of the police officer.

3053
02:49:14,440 --> 02:49:18,560
Speaker 7: That has an impact too. The guns in the nows

3054
02:49:18,600 --> 02:49:21,360
Speaker 7: in our community and the weapons in our community that

3055
02:49:21,440 --> 02:49:23,400
Speaker 7: we use against each other would be it would be

3056
02:49:23,520 --> 02:49:27,560
Speaker 7: great to dramatically reduce that. I don't think though I

3057
02:49:27,680 --> 02:49:32,080
Speaker 7: did an interview. I was called the one by to

3058
02:49:32,200 --> 02:49:34,600
Speaker 7: do an interview with the National Right Or Association, and

3059
02:49:34,800 --> 02:49:39,160
Speaker 7: they were asking me about, you know, don't people have

3060
02:49:39,240 --> 02:49:41,240
Speaker 7: a right to bear arms and so on and so forth.

3061
02:49:41,280 --> 02:49:43,480
Speaker 7: And now I said to them, in a very strategic

3062
02:49:43,600 --> 02:49:46,879
Speaker 7: move in that particular conversation, that I think every law

3063
02:49:46,879 --> 02:49:50,480
Speaker 7: abiding black person in America should have a weapon just

3064
02:49:50,560 --> 02:49:52,480
Speaker 7: because of the history of this nation and the fact

3065
02:49:52,520 --> 02:49:56,440
Speaker 7: that black people have been constitutely intruded upon. So I

3066
02:49:56,480 --> 02:49:58,320
Speaker 7: think we have to be able to defend ourselves and

3067
02:49:58,400 --> 02:50:00,320
Speaker 7: find our homes and defend our homes. That's not what

3068
02:50:00,360 --> 02:50:02,320
Speaker 7: they were looking for. They were just looking for it

3069
02:50:02,400 --> 02:50:04,440
Speaker 7: right to bear arms. Not necessarily we need to write

3070
02:50:04,440 --> 02:50:07,200
Speaker 7: to bear arms because of what you all have done

3071
02:50:07,240 --> 02:50:10,400
Speaker 7: and what has been done to us in this particular nation.

3072
02:50:10,520 --> 02:50:13,440
Speaker 7: But what I can say is that there's never gonna

3073
02:50:13,440 --> 02:50:16,840
Speaker 7: be a time when they remove all the guns, legal

3074
02:50:16,959 --> 02:50:21,120
Speaker 7: or illegal. And if they did. I think that that

3075
02:50:21,160 --> 02:50:23,920
Speaker 7: would be a difficult proposition. Coleman Young, who was mayor

3076
02:50:23,959 --> 02:50:26,200
Speaker 7: of Detroit during the time that I was serving there

3077
02:50:26,879 --> 02:50:30,800
Speaker 7: as a FBI agent, said to the public when they

3078
02:50:30,800 --> 02:50:33,480
Speaker 7: asked him about reducing guns and gun laws and Detroit,

3079
02:50:33,520 --> 02:50:36,000
Speaker 7: he said, I refuse to disarm a city full of

3080
02:50:36,040 --> 02:50:40,200
Speaker 7: black people. They're surrounded by counties and royal areas full

3081
02:50:40,200 --> 02:50:42,960
Speaker 7: of white people who have all kinds of guns and weapons.

3082
02:50:43,000 --> 02:50:44,840
Speaker 7: He said, I would have to believe in the innate

3083
02:50:44,959 --> 02:50:49,119
Speaker 7: goodness of those that surround us before I disarmed everyone

3084
02:50:49,200 --> 02:50:50,760
Speaker 7: in the city. He said, I want to disarm the

3085
02:50:50,800 --> 02:50:53,840
Speaker 7: criminal element. I wanted to disarm people who had the

3086
02:50:53,879 --> 02:50:56,720
Speaker 7: mental capacity and the reason to be able to have

3087
02:50:56,959 --> 02:50:59,880
Speaker 7: this ability to defend themselves. He said. But the only

3088
02:51:00,120 --> 02:51:02,160
Speaker 7: way I would get rid of all guns is if

3089
02:51:02,200 --> 02:51:04,600
Speaker 7: you if I got rid of the people in the county.

3090
02:51:04,640 --> 02:51:06,800
Speaker 7: And then gil Scott Hearing came out with a wonderful

3091
02:51:06,879 --> 02:51:09,200
Speaker 7: song called the Gun, and he said, the philosophy seem

3092
02:51:09,240 --> 02:51:11,240
Speaker 7: to be as least as near as I can see,

3093
02:51:11,320 --> 02:51:13,480
Speaker 7: when other folks give up their as I'll give of mind.

3094
02:51:13,560 --> 02:51:17,560
Speaker 7: So you always will have this tension, especially where you're

3095
02:51:17,600 --> 02:51:19,640
Speaker 7: dealing with black people, And the reality of the matter

3096
02:51:19,760 --> 02:51:22,800
Speaker 7: is the majority of black people are not involved in violence,

3097
02:51:22,840 --> 02:51:25,720
Speaker 7: even if they have weapons. They're involved in self defense

3098
02:51:25,760 --> 02:51:28,000
Speaker 7: and their homes and of their family. And there is

3099
02:51:28,080 --> 02:51:32,520
Speaker 7: a portion of our community that is involved in violence

3100
02:51:32,560 --> 02:51:34,920
Speaker 7: and involved in hurting people, and we have to deal

3101
02:51:35,000 --> 02:51:38,440
Speaker 7: with that. We can't ignore that. But that would be

3102
02:51:38,520 --> 02:51:41,440
Speaker 7: my answer, should should we?

3103
02:51:42,000 --> 02:51:42,040
Speaker 15: So?

3104
02:51:42,440 --> 02:51:44,720
Speaker 1: Are you are you saying that we should patrol our

3105
02:51:44,760 --> 02:51:47,720
Speaker 1: own communities then, or should we rely on people either

3106
02:51:47,920 --> 02:51:51,760
Speaker 1: FOI or and all these anti gang groups, especially we

3107
02:51:51,840 --> 02:51:54,160
Speaker 1: have in Washington, DC era Should we rely more on

3108
02:51:54,280 --> 02:51:58,040
Speaker 1: them than say, the Metropolitan Police Department and the other

3109
02:51:58,200 --> 02:52:00,960
Speaker 1: law enforcements in the district. I'll let you respond to

3110
02:52:01,040 --> 02:52:03,720
Speaker 1: that after we take the short break. It's twenty four

3111
02:52:03,760 --> 02:52:05,200
Speaker 1: minutes away from the top of the our family. You

3112
02:52:05,240 --> 02:52:08,400
Speaker 1: two can join our conversation with our guest, former FBI

3113
02:52:08,480 --> 02:52:11,040
Speaker 1: agent doctor Tyrone Powers. Reach out to us at eight

3114
02:52:11,160 --> 02:52:14,440
Speaker 1: hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. I'll

3115
02:52:14,480 --> 02:52:17,280
Speaker 1: take your phone calls next and Grand Rising Family, thanks

3116
02:52:17,280 --> 02:52:19,280
Speaker 1: for starting your week with us again. Our guess is

3117
02:52:19,400 --> 02:52:22,480
Speaker 1: doctor Tyrone Powers. Doctor Powers is a former FBI agent.

3118
02:52:23,040 --> 02:52:24,960
Speaker 1: My doctors got a bunch of folks from across the

3119
02:52:24,959 --> 02:52:27,000
Speaker 1: country got questions for us. If you can show up

3120
02:52:27,040 --> 02:52:30,360
Speaker 1: on the answers that appreciate it, Let's go like line five,

3121
02:52:30,480 --> 02:52:32,760
Speaker 1: Larry's calling from DC has a question for you. Larry

3122
02:52:32,800 --> 02:52:34,120
Speaker 1: your question for doctor Powers.

3123
02:52:36,760 --> 02:52:38,440
Speaker 9: Hello, Baron Rising, can you hear me?

3124
02:52:40,360 --> 02:52:40,600
Speaker 1: Sure?

3125
02:52:40,879 --> 02:52:41,039
Speaker 7: Yes?

3126
02:52:41,800 --> 02:52:42,160
Speaker 16: Yes, sir?

3127
02:52:42,400 --> 02:52:47,240
Speaker 9: Okay, sound like a problem with the line anyway. What

3128
02:52:47,320 --> 02:52:50,560
Speaker 9: I wanted to say was when I hear Elijah Muhammad's

3129
02:52:50,640 --> 02:52:54,240
Speaker 9: name interjected, I just want to say, you know, happy

3130
02:52:54,280 --> 02:52:58,120
Speaker 9: birthday to him tomorrow. Yes, sir, we need to acknowledge.

3131
02:52:58,360 --> 02:53:03,200
Speaker 9: We need to acknowledge that and what we're not looking at.

3132
02:53:03,720 --> 02:53:07,600
Speaker 9: We're always looking outwardly instead of inwardly. When it comes

3133
02:53:07,640 --> 02:53:11,320
Speaker 9: to the violence, Dick Gregory and the facts and the

3134
02:53:11,400 --> 02:53:15,160
Speaker 9: data proves he said it before that forty eight percent

3135
02:53:15,240 --> 02:53:22,120
Speaker 9: of the crimes committed in this country are done by people, family, friends,

3136
02:53:22,200 --> 02:53:27,200
Speaker 9: and people who know each other. That's the systemic problem

3137
02:53:27,280 --> 02:53:30,680
Speaker 9: that need to be dealt with. That's the inwardly problem. Now,

3138
02:53:30,720 --> 02:53:34,959
Speaker 9: when you look outwardly, the infiltration comes from those who

3139
02:53:35,760 --> 02:53:40,040
Speaker 9: where they tap into the redeemable characteristic of envy and

3140
02:53:40,160 --> 02:53:43,560
Speaker 9: jealousy and a lack of resources, so they use money.

3141
02:53:43,840 --> 02:53:44,840
Speaker 9: They infiltrate us with.

3142
02:53:44,920 --> 02:53:49,360
Speaker 7: Drugs, neutralize us with that, but we will always.

3143
02:53:48,920 --> 02:53:53,360
Speaker 9: Be infiltrated because that envy and the jealousy, and we

3144
02:53:53,440 --> 02:53:57,760
Speaker 9: don't speak enough about the informants. Now see, you would

3145
02:53:57,800 --> 02:54:01,360
Speaker 9: be considered yourself, Sir, cannot say late the spook who

3146
02:54:01,400 --> 02:54:03,320
Speaker 9: sat by the door, would you say that?

3147
02:54:05,640 --> 02:54:09,600
Speaker 7: I haven't labeled myself as anything? But I think I don't.

3148
02:54:09,640 --> 02:54:12,080
Speaker 7: I don't know if I had the intent as Sam

3149
02:54:12,160 --> 02:54:14,520
Speaker 7: Greenley's carriage and the spook who sat by the door

3150
02:54:14,600 --> 02:54:16,560
Speaker 7: went in with an intent. I don't know if I

3151
02:54:16,640 --> 02:54:20,240
Speaker 7: had that intent, but I can't. I guess I could

3152
02:54:20,280 --> 02:54:20,680
Speaker 7: accept that.

3153
02:54:22,120 --> 02:54:23,680
Speaker 3: Okay, lot of your question real.

3154
02:54:23,640 --> 02:54:25,280
Speaker 1: Quick, because we've got a bunch of folks trying to

3155
02:54:25,280 --> 02:54:26,240
Speaker 1: get at doctor powers.

3156
02:54:27,480 --> 02:54:30,600
Speaker 9: Okay, lastly, how do you think that we will ever

3157
02:54:31,160 --> 02:54:36,600
Speaker 9: conquer infiltration when you have over two thousand and three

3158
02:54:36,720 --> 02:54:40,480
Speaker 9: thousands of informants that look like US men and women

3159
02:54:40,920 --> 02:54:44,160
Speaker 9: who will work against with the enemy against their own people.

3160
02:54:44,560 --> 02:54:47,200
Speaker 1: That's it, thanks, Larry, good question, Doc.

3161
02:54:48,240 --> 02:54:51,760
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, he made he made a great deal of

3162
02:54:51,800 --> 02:54:54,120
Speaker 7: good points which I can't all address right now. But

3163
02:54:54,240 --> 02:54:57,119
Speaker 7: I just think that that education piece and understanding coin

3164
02:54:57,200 --> 02:55:00,120
Speaker 7: tail pro and as he talked about, well, how help

3165
02:55:00,200 --> 02:55:02,680
Speaker 7: us the things that happened in the past of organizations

3166
02:55:02,800 --> 02:55:05,119
Speaker 7: like the Nation of Islam and how they infiltrated them,

3167
02:55:05,200 --> 02:55:09,400
Speaker 7: how they divided and conquered. Understanding that because if you understand,

3168
02:55:09,440 --> 02:55:12,119
Speaker 7: you can't counter what you can't understand. And that's why

3169
02:55:12,120 --> 02:55:15,240
Speaker 7: I keep saying, understand that, Well, let's help us reduce

3170
02:55:15,480 --> 02:55:19,959
Speaker 7: or mitigate the impact of anyone who opposes our community,

3171
02:55:20,040 --> 02:55:23,280
Speaker 7: and also dealing with the issues in our community, which

3172
02:55:23,360 --> 02:55:26,240
Speaker 7: is all part two of the miseducation, and that I

3173
02:55:26,320 --> 02:55:29,720
Speaker 7: said before the fact that they had us escape out

3174
02:55:29,840 --> 02:55:33,199
Speaker 7: problems through alcohol and drugs rather than to address our problem.

3175
02:55:33,240 --> 02:55:36,200
Speaker 7: We were fighting these things for a while and then

3176
02:55:36,280 --> 02:55:39,359
Speaker 7: we decided to just get high.

3177
02:55:41,040 --> 02:55:43,360
Speaker 1: Fifteen away from the top. Now let's go to Kansas City.

3178
02:55:43,440 --> 02:55:47,560
Speaker 1: Roberts wading versus online too. Roberts your question for doctor Powers.

3179
02:55:49,879 --> 02:55:53,400
Speaker 22: The top of the morning to you and Carl, I

3180
02:55:53,520 --> 02:55:59,120
Speaker 22: wonder has a Trump thought that these are national guards

3181
02:55:59,240 --> 02:56:02,680
Speaker 22: who are in We're in DC and going to be

3182
02:56:02,760 --> 02:56:05,680
Speaker 22: dispatched of the cities. Has he has he considered the

3183
02:56:05,760 --> 02:56:08,880
Speaker 22: fact that these guards are not going to be staying

3184
02:56:08,920 --> 02:56:13,200
Speaker 22: in these cities indefinitely, so so, so what happens when

3185
02:56:13,280 --> 02:56:15,880
Speaker 22: they leave? Get It looks like to me everything is

3186
02:56:15,920 --> 02:56:18,200
Speaker 22: going to go back to normal. What what are you

3187
02:56:18,400 --> 02:56:19,360
Speaker 22: What is your thought about that?

3188
02:56:19,640 --> 02:56:21,520
Speaker 1: Robert? Wait, hold on second, Rober, we lost you for

3189
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Speaker 1: a second. Can you repeat your question again for doctor Powers.

3190
02:56:25,280 --> 02:56:28,560
Speaker 22: Well, I was telling doctor Powells that these National Guard

3191
02:56:28,680 --> 02:56:32,080
Speaker 22: troops that Trump has just dispatched to these different cities,

3192
02:56:32,560 --> 02:56:35,600
Speaker 22: they're not going to be able to stay there indefinitely. So,

3193
02:56:35,800 --> 02:56:39,480
Speaker 22: so what happens when they finally do pack their luggage

3194
02:56:39,560 --> 02:56:41,960
Speaker 22: up and lead It seems to me like everything is

3195
02:56:42,040 --> 02:56:44,080
Speaker 22: going to go back to normal as far as crime.

3196
02:56:44,200 --> 02:56:46,200
Speaker 22: So if everything's going to go back to normal, but

3197
02:56:46,480 --> 02:56:49,199
Speaker 22: then what was the purpose of it in the first place,

3198
02:56:49,280 --> 02:56:52,000
Speaker 22: other than something political that you're trying to achieve?

3199
02:56:52,840 --> 02:56:53,840
Speaker 1: All right, thanks Robert?

3200
02:56:54,600 --> 02:56:57,160
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, and b see it is. It is a

3201
02:56:57,920 --> 02:57:02,280
Speaker 7: political It's another cold maneuver. Now, there are such things,

3202
02:57:02,800 --> 02:57:04,960
Speaker 7: and as you know in law enforcement, in the military

3203
02:57:05,000 --> 02:57:08,040
Speaker 7: and also in the intelligence agency, call an SOS a

3204
02:57:08,160 --> 02:57:10,640
Speaker 7: show of force. But you hope to show a force

3205
02:57:10,680 --> 02:57:13,120
Speaker 7: for a little while dramatically drive down crime and then

3206
02:57:13,200 --> 02:57:18,080
Speaker 7: replace it with something that would permanently get rid of crime.

3207
02:57:18,240 --> 02:57:23,160
Speaker 7: Because what you're hoping is that the major perpetrators of

3208
02:57:23,600 --> 02:57:26,480
Speaker 7: things that were occurring has been removed by the short

3209
02:57:26,560 --> 02:57:29,040
Speaker 7: stay of the individuals who are present. But being that,

3210
02:57:29,120 --> 02:57:32,240
Speaker 7: the National Guards are just a presence and there's no

3211
02:57:32,480 --> 02:57:35,400
Speaker 7: long term plan or operation. And this is why I

3212
02:57:35,480 --> 02:57:38,359
Speaker 7: said to the caller earlier, there has to be collaboration

3213
02:57:38,680 --> 02:57:41,600
Speaker 7: because as this caller just said, at some point, they're

3214
02:57:41,640 --> 02:57:46,040
Speaker 7: going to vacate, And what is the long term plan

3215
02:57:46,640 --> 02:57:50,160
Speaker 7: to sustain whatever success, if you have any success that

3216
02:57:50,240 --> 02:57:52,840
Speaker 7: you've achieved by this short term presence. And I don't

3217
02:57:52,879 --> 02:57:56,879
Speaker 7: think that's the thought process because it's more political than purposeful.

3218
02:57:58,080 --> 02:58:00,240
Speaker 1: All Right, thank you for your call, Robin and Kansas City.

3219
02:58:00,320 --> 02:58:02,440
Speaker 1: By the way, Doctor Power's book is called Ice to

3220
02:58:02,560 --> 02:58:04,560
Speaker 1: My Soul. If the Rise or Decline of a Black

3221
02:58:04,760 --> 02:58:07,600
Speaker 1: FBI Agent eight one hundred and four or five zero

3222
02:58:07,800 --> 02:58:11,000
Speaker 1: seventy eight seven six. Professor amaraj checking in from California.

3223
02:58:11,040 --> 02:58:13,960
Speaker 1: He's on line four, Grand Rising. Professor Ahmenrah, you a

3224
02:58:14,080 --> 02:58:16,920
Speaker 1: question for doctor Powers, Grand.

3225
02:58:16,720 --> 02:58:21,360
Speaker 24: Rising Carl Nelson, and I just want to accompliment the

3226
02:58:22,080 --> 02:58:26,160
Speaker 24: guests was as well Frome Knowledge and expression. It's hard

3227
02:58:26,320 --> 02:58:29,960
Speaker 24: to stop crying when you have criminals running the government

3228
02:58:30,560 --> 02:58:34,920
Speaker 24: from the president giving pardons the people who break the law.

3229
02:58:35,640 --> 02:58:38,880
Speaker 24: And if you if you you have gun controls in

3230
02:58:38,959 --> 02:58:42,560
Speaker 24: one state, it's not in another state. So enough people

3231
02:58:42,600 --> 02:58:46,280
Speaker 24: can go where have the money, like they do with abortions,

3232
02:58:46,720 --> 02:58:50,480
Speaker 24: go to another state and get the abortion. I'll go

3233
02:58:50,640 --> 02:58:53,879
Speaker 24: to another state or gun show and get a gun.

3234
02:58:54,400 --> 02:58:59,000
Speaker 24: And at the same time, it's very difficult when you

3235
02:58:59,080 --> 02:59:02,160
Speaker 24: have so many cons meant in then it's been indicting

3236
02:59:02,320 --> 02:59:06,119
Speaker 24: but stealing. What kind of example is that with regards

3237
02:59:06,160 --> 02:59:11,640
Speaker 24: to crime control? And as an FBI is im I've

3238
02:59:11,760 --> 02:59:15,360
Speaker 24: spoken out about the pardons, how much stand for them

3239
02:59:15,879 --> 02:59:20,200
Speaker 24: of agencies they work hard to arrest these people and

3240
02:59:20,320 --> 02:59:24,199
Speaker 24: then get them convicted and then pardon to under some people.

3241
02:59:24,680 --> 02:59:30,720
Speaker 24: After the Jack on Washington, Thank.

3242
02:59:30,640 --> 02:59:34,360
Speaker 1: You, Carl, all right, thank you, Professor Amar doctor Powers.

3243
02:59:35,080 --> 02:59:37,039
Speaker 7: Yeah, he made some I think he just made points.

3244
02:59:37,080 --> 02:59:38,280
Speaker 7: I don't know if he had a question, but he

3245
02:59:38,360 --> 02:59:41,800
Speaker 7: made some extraordinary points. But and then I always say

3246
02:59:41,840 --> 02:59:43,560
Speaker 7: this call, and I want to say it now. I

3247
02:59:43,680 --> 02:59:47,160
Speaker 7: know we're running short on time, but there is solutions

3248
02:59:47,240 --> 02:59:49,119
Speaker 7: to these particular problems. And I think in a lot

3249
02:59:49,160 --> 02:59:51,560
Speaker 7: of our communities there's a lot of organizations and a

3250
02:59:51,600 --> 02:59:54,800
Speaker 7: lot of people putting things in place to mitigate the

3251
02:59:54,920 --> 02:59:57,520
Speaker 7: long term impact of these things. I know we're talking

3252
02:59:57,560 --> 03:00:00,440
Speaker 7: about and highlighting things that have gone wrong in continue

3253
03:00:00,440 --> 03:00:03,439
Speaker 7: to go a wrong across the nation and with our organizations.

3254
03:00:03,480 --> 03:00:05,800
Speaker 7: But I don't want us to be to make the

3255
03:00:05,879 --> 03:00:09,959
Speaker 7: audience so pessimistic that when they leave, when they leaving conversation,

3256
03:00:10,080 --> 03:00:12,600
Speaker 7: they want to go to a bathtub and slip their

3257
03:00:12,680 --> 03:00:16,080
Speaker 7: risks of bathtub. There are people working for solutions. There

3258
03:00:16,120 --> 03:00:19,240
Speaker 7: are solutions. That's why, that's why you have your program.

3259
03:00:19,400 --> 03:00:22,280
Speaker 7: You bring excellent guests on with people not only with

3260
03:00:22,560 --> 03:00:26,480
Speaker 7: identifying the problem and identifying the contradictions as the college,

3261
03:00:26,560 --> 03:00:30,000
Speaker 7: as the professor just did, but also some concrete solutions.

3262
03:00:30,080 --> 03:00:33,080
Speaker 7: And I am convinced as I talk to young people

3263
03:00:33,200 --> 03:00:35,400
Speaker 7: and people across the nation. Like I said, the lecture

3264
03:00:35,440 --> 03:00:37,760
Speaker 7: we had in Chicago, the people who came out and

3265
03:00:37,840 --> 03:00:40,320
Speaker 7: we had a conversation now a yelling match. They didn't

3266
03:00:40,320 --> 03:00:42,720
Speaker 7: ask them to agree or disagree with me. I don't

3267
03:00:42,840 --> 03:00:45,840
Speaker 7: need people to I'm not a pastor, so I don't

3268
03:00:45,879 --> 03:00:48,000
Speaker 7: need an amen or you tell them. I don't need

3269
03:00:48,080 --> 03:00:51,320
Speaker 7: all that applause. But I do think that there are

3270
03:00:51,400 --> 03:00:53,880
Speaker 7: people who beginning to get this, and the more information

3271
03:00:54,040 --> 03:00:57,039
Speaker 7: you give out on your particular program, we can pass

3272
03:00:57,120 --> 03:00:59,040
Speaker 7: this on to young people in a way that's not

3273
03:00:59,240 --> 03:01:04,680
Speaker 7: condemnation but strategy, conversation solutions. And I think we'll see

3274
03:01:04,800 --> 03:01:08,280
Speaker 7: a change of behavior, even if it's incrementally, and even

3275
03:01:08,360 --> 03:01:11,240
Speaker 7: if we're not seeing it overnight. I do think that

3276
03:01:12,360 --> 03:01:15,160
Speaker 7: this is there is a way, and there's a group

3277
03:01:15,200 --> 03:01:17,400
Speaker 7: of young people, and there are people, and not only

3278
03:01:17,480 --> 03:01:20,280
Speaker 7: young people, but people who are putting things in place

3279
03:01:20,400 --> 03:01:25,240
Speaker 7: that are allowing us to be optimistic about the future

3280
03:01:25,320 --> 03:01:26,640
Speaker 7: and somewhat about the present.

3281
03:01:27,640 --> 03:01:29,480
Speaker 1: All right, eight minutes away from the top out of

3282
03:01:29,520 --> 03:01:32,040
Speaker 1: I guess, doctor Tyron Palace, let's go to Brooklyn, New York,

3283
03:01:32,160 --> 03:01:36,280
Speaker 1: or more more approperly, bet Stein, do a diabetical A

3284
03:01:36,560 --> 03:01:39,960
Speaker 1: brother's checking in, he's online. Three brother Shahed your question

3285
03:01:40,080 --> 03:01:41,240
Speaker 1: for doctor Powers.

3286
03:01:41,800 --> 03:01:48,880
Speaker 25: Grand Rising, Grand Rising, wonderful conversation. Uh question Uh Doctor Powells,

3287
03:01:49,480 --> 03:01:54,040
Speaker 25: Uh can you name or anybody listening to the program now?

3288
03:01:55,560 --> 03:01:58,800
Speaker 25: I wanted to find out the name and location of

3289
03:01:59,040 --> 03:02:05,520
Speaker 25: some gun clubs that lawbiding black men and women have

3290
03:02:05,920 --> 03:02:08,520
Speaker 25: going so that we can learn we black men and

3291
03:02:08,600 --> 03:02:13,160
Speaker 25: women lawbiding black men and women can find out how

3292
03:02:13,240 --> 03:02:21,160
Speaker 25: to properly use, maintain weapons and all or range where

3293
03:02:21,200 --> 03:02:26,080
Speaker 25: we can go and learn to properly stoop these weapons.

3294
03:02:26,680 --> 03:02:29,520
Speaker 25: And the second thing is I hear people talking about

3295
03:02:30,920 --> 03:02:34,600
Speaker 25: things and I wanted to say that, doctor Powells, I

3296
03:02:34,760 --> 03:02:36,560
Speaker 25: do not believe, and you can speak to this. I

3297
03:02:36,640 --> 03:02:39,320
Speaker 25: do not believe you are the only brother or sister

3298
03:02:39,920 --> 03:02:45,440
Speaker 25: in these state institutions who are thinking the way you are.

3299
03:02:46,320 --> 03:02:49,600
Speaker 25: Because people think about all they infiltrate us, They infiltrate us,

3300
03:02:49,920 --> 03:02:53,240
Speaker 25: and see that's a one way thinking because see we

3301
03:02:53,560 --> 03:02:58,280
Speaker 25: infiltrate them everything they've got re in it. So to

3302
03:02:58,360 --> 03:03:02,360
Speaker 25: address that, please, Yeah, two things, I agree with you

3303
03:03:02,520 --> 03:03:03,680
Speaker 25: that we need to be everywhere.

3304
03:03:03,879 --> 03:03:07,600
Speaker 7: I think we always talking about the Jewish population they

3305
03:03:07,720 --> 03:03:11,920
Speaker 7: integrate without assimilating. Sometimes we integrate and assimilate at the

3306
03:03:12,000 --> 03:03:14,000
Speaker 7: same time. I think we need to be everywhere because

3307
03:03:14,000 --> 03:03:16,160
Speaker 7: there's information that we can bring back to our community.

3308
03:03:16,240 --> 03:03:18,840
Speaker 7: I can't tell you the number of politicians and others

3309
03:03:18,879 --> 03:03:20,880
Speaker 7: that I've had private meetings from and I said, this

3310
03:03:21,000 --> 03:03:22,520
Speaker 7: is how they're going to come at you, this is

3311
03:03:22,560 --> 03:03:25,080
Speaker 7: what this looks like, this is what's happening now. And

3312
03:03:25,160 --> 03:03:28,120
Speaker 7: they've been able to change there and they can't be

3313
03:03:28,280 --> 03:03:30,480
Speaker 7: public discussions all the time, but they've been able to

3314
03:03:30,600 --> 03:03:33,200
Speaker 7: change their operations in a way that allow them to

3315
03:03:33,240 --> 03:03:36,760
Speaker 7: stay in positions of power which allow them to continue

3316
03:03:36,840 --> 03:03:39,160
Speaker 7: to help our people. So I think there are people

3317
03:03:39,320 --> 03:03:41,840
Speaker 7: doing that. I think that, on the other hand, because

3318
03:03:41,879 --> 03:03:45,120
Speaker 7: our people have been damaged so much by these particular agencies,

3319
03:03:45,160 --> 03:03:47,400
Speaker 7: people like me who do come out and give information

3320
03:03:47,840 --> 03:03:49,640
Speaker 7: have to have thick skin because they're going to be

3321
03:03:49,760 --> 03:03:53,720
Speaker 7: people who accuse you and their accusations. But I will

3322
03:03:53,800 --> 03:03:57,080
Speaker 7: stay over and over again. Just stay on mission. Minister Farrakhon,

3323
03:03:57,440 --> 03:03:59,280
Speaker 7: when I had dinner with him, he said, just stay

3324
03:03:59,280 --> 03:04:02,440
Speaker 7: on mission. I mentioned this before. He said, if God

3325
03:04:02,560 --> 03:04:05,680
Speaker 7: give you a vehicle, a destination, and a mission and

3326
03:04:05,800 --> 03:04:07,880
Speaker 7: a mat get in a car, he said, don't wreck

3327
03:04:07,959 --> 03:04:10,320
Speaker 7: the car trying to kill a gnat. Stay on missions,

3328
03:04:10,320 --> 03:04:13,640
Speaker 7: stay on destination, and eventually you arived there. So I

3329
03:04:13,800 --> 03:04:16,560
Speaker 7: understand the critique and the criticism of me. It doesn't

3330
03:04:16,600 --> 03:04:19,080
Speaker 7: bother me because I have thick skin, because I understand

3331
03:04:19,160 --> 03:04:21,560
Speaker 7: my mission is peer and then my integrity is piers.

3332
03:04:21,640 --> 03:04:25,360
Speaker 7: So I continue to pursue that particular mission. And I

3333
03:04:25,400 --> 03:04:27,320
Speaker 7: think there are other people who are doing this. Sometime

3334
03:04:27,440 --> 03:04:30,600
Speaker 7: in private more so than in public. We're very public people,

3335
03:04:30,680 --> 03:04:33,640
Speaker 7: so we like an audience. We like preaching, we like sermons,

3336
03:04:33,720 --> 03:04:36,840
Speaker 7: we lock sessions, and we like attention. But if you

3337
03:04:37,360 --> 03:04:39,880
Speaker 7: go back to Harry Truman, as much as a racist

3338
03:04:39,879 --> 03:04:42,440
Speaker 7: as he was when he said that, you'd be surprised

3339
03:04:42,480 --> 03:04:44,480
Speaker 7: of how much you can accomplish when you don't care

3340
03:04:44,520 --> 03:04:47,800
Speaker 7: who get the credit. Then I think it can be impactful.

3341
03:04:47,840 --> 03:04:50,039
Speaker 7: And I think there are people who are being impactful.

3342
03:04:50,760 --> 03:04:52,280
Speaker 1: All right, sticks away from the top, right, let me

3343
03:04:52,320 --> 03:04:54,600
Speaker 1: apologize other folks. We didn't get a chance to asking

3344
03:04:54,760 --> 03:04:56,920
Speaker 1: questions with doctor Palace, but I got one question. We

3345
03:04:57,000 --> 03:05:00,560
Speaker 1: got like sixty seconds, sixty seconds to respond onto the

3346
03:05:00,640 --> 03:05:04,160
Speaker 1: tweet two that says will put Patel and BONDI ever

3347
03:05:04,280 --> 03:05:06,880
Speaker 1: released the names of the famous people involved with the

3348
03:05:06,920 --> 03:05:08,440
Speaker 1: pedophiles in the Epstein case.

3349
03:05:08,879 --> 03:05:12,240
Speaker 7: If not, why, I don't think they will ever release it,

3350
03:05:12,320 --> 03:05:15,560
Speaker 7: But I think it'll get released. I think they don't

3351
03:05:15,560 --> 03:05:18,039
Speaker 7: want to well, I don't want to say it too loud,

3352
03:05:18,080 --> 03:05:19,840
Speaker 7: but I think they don't understand how many people they

3353
03:05:19,840 --> 03:05:23,120
Speaker 7: are upsetting. People who have access to that. And during

3354
03:05:23,240 --> 03:05:25,960
Speaker 7: my time in the agency, people who have the ability

3355
03:05:26,080 --> 03:05:28,600
Speaker 7: and have had the ability to download and copies that

3356
03:05:28,640 --> 03:05:31,400
Speaker 7: it will eventually release it, But you.

3357
03:05:31,400 --> 03:05:34,760
Speaker 1: Would think it's out there, somebody's saying it, you know.

3358
03:05:35,320 --> 03:05:38,080
Speaker 7: I think that people are I think people have seen it.

3359
03:05:38,160 --> 03:05:40,000
Speaker 7: I think people are out there. I think people are

3360
03:05:40,040 --> 03:05:42,880
Speaker 7: doing two things, the timeliness of the release, to protect

3361
03:05:42,920 --> 03:05:46,400
Speaker 7: themselves their family. When you're dealing with an administration, it

3362
03:05:46,520 --> 03:05:50,520
Speaker 7: is extremely vindictive and dictatorial, So you have to not

3363
03:05:50,680 --> 03:05:53,680
Speaker 7: only decide that this information is worth releasing to the public,

3364
03:05:53,959 --> 03:05:55,960
Speaker 7: but you have to release it in a way or

3365
03:05:56,000 --> 03:05:58,680
Speaker 7: get it out in a way where you can see

3366
03:05:58,720 --> 03:06:02,200
Speaker 7: the results and that you don't end up not existing anymore,

3367
03:06:02,360 --> 03:06:04,720
Speaker 7: having your family harm during the release. You've got two

3368
03:06:04,840 --> 03:06:09,480
Speaker 7: considerations whenever you deal with releasing that kind of information.

3369
03:06:09,640 --> 03:06:13,640
Speaker 7: And I think that it's proper for people to plan appropriately.

3370
03:06:13,879 --> 03:06:19,680
Speaker 7: And I can say that from a very personal standpoint, right.

3371
03:06:20,080 --> 03:06:21,959
Speaker 1: And of course there's just in the news this week

3372
03:06:22,040 --> 03:06:25,440
Speaker 1: that I think it was a judge. Her house was firebombs.

3373
03:06:25,440 --> 03:06:27,480
Speaker 1: She ruled against Donald Trump, so the MAGA people went

3374
03:06:27,520 --> 03:06:31,320
Speaker 1: after just blew up her home. But anyway, having said that.

3375
03:06:32,879 --> 03:06:35,560
Speaker 7: In security, yes, you do starts in place, and you

3376
03:06:35,680 --> 03:06:37,280
Speaker 7: have to have a group of friends so you don't

3377
03:06:37,320 --> 03:06:40,400
Speaker 7: necessarily announce all the time, but you have to put

3378
03:06:40,480 --> 03:06:43,400
Speaker 7: things in place. That's just good strategy. That's not being paranoid.

3379
03:06:43,520 --> 03:06:46,199
Speaker 7: That's being prepared. And as I always said before, being

3380
03:06:46,280 --> 03:06:48,640
Speaker 7: prepared isn't the same as being paranoid, even though they

3381
03:06:48,680 --> 03:06:51,120
Speaker 7: start for p and being conscious isn't the same as

3382
03:06:51,160 --> 03:06:54,800
Speaker 7: being scared. And being strategic will lead us to solutions

3383
03:06:54,840 --> 03:06:58,760
Speaker 7: that are lasting rather than which are superficial in short term.

3384
03:06:59,600 --> 03:07:02,160
Speaker 1: All right, doc, uh, before you go, tell us how

3385
03:07:02,240 --> 03:07:04,160
Speaker 1: folks can follow you and the title of your book

3386
03:07:04,200 --> 03:07:04,760
Speaker 1: one more time.

3387
03:07:05,040 --> 03:07:06,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, I owe you some people some books who did

3388
03:07:06,760 --> 03:07:09,240
Speaker 7: email me last time? I email us powers at T

3389
03:07:09,440 --> 03:07:14,080
Speaker 7: Powersconsulting dot com. Powers at T Powersconsulting dot com. You

3390
03:07:14,080 --> 03:07:17,040
Speaker 7: can get the book almost anywhere. Any vendors should have

3391
03:07:17,160 --> 03:07:19,080
Speaker 7: it or be able to get it. But also African

3392
03:07:19,160 --> 03:07:22,120
Speaker 7: World Books, which is the distributor. I'm owned by Brother

3393
03:07:22,240 --> 03:07:24,840
Speaker 7: nine T and Everyone's place here. You can see them

3394
03:07:24,920 --> 03:07:27,680
Speaker 7: online or so even if you're not in the state

3395
03:07:27,720 --> 03:07:29,600
Speaker 7: of Maryland, you can get it to them, which I

3396
03:07:29,720 --> 03:07:32,320
Speaker 7: recommend because they're black owned and black operated and they

3397
03:07:32,680 --> 03:07:33,920
Speaker 7: operate internationally.

3398
03:07:34,280 --> 03:07:36,360
Speaker 1: Right, Thank you, Doc, Thank you for sharing your thoughts

3399
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Speaker 1: with us this morning.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: We're done for the day. Classes dismissed. Stay strong, stay positive.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in

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Speaker 1: Baltimore on ten ten WLB and then the DMB on

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Speaker 1: FM ninety five point nine